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Happy Hour #131: Boy, Girl, Boy, Girl... (SATC S3, E4) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Welcome to stuff I
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Never told you a prediction by Heart Radio.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: And welcome to another happy hour edition of rewatching for me,
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: first time watching for any of Sex and the City.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: And yes we are in season three, episode four. If
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: you are drinking or doing whatever, do so responsibly. This
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: is an adult show. I think it is rated TVMA.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: So if you're new to this and you're like, oh,
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: I'll jump in, just know probably don't want to listen
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: around children. Because we are not watching the edited version.
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: So this is not from the CW. The CW still exists,
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: it does, Okay, Bravo. I think it's on Bravo if
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: we are watching if you have Netflix not a sponsor
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: that version because that's unedited, right, is un edited?
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: It is, but we're not watching it on I'm not watching.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm just thinking like the access many people
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: are more likely to access it through Netflix than than Max.
• 1:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: I mean we've mentioned that recently, but that has been
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: an interesting thing that has come out of Sex and
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  Speaker 1: the City being.
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  Speaker 3: Available on Netflix. Yes, now a lot.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Of younger people are seeing it for the first time
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: and having some thoughts.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, And speaking of which, So this episode is one
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: of those episodes that I have been warning Annie about
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: because this season is a roller coaster of a season.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's fairly offensive. It has not aged well,
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: I will guarantee, because I feel like it's been a minute.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: So I've seen this episode, but I remember watching it
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: then going oh, eh no. And it's kind of one
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: of those things where we are going to I'm going
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: to spoiler alert talk about bisexuality, and in it, like
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: there's some very dated references to bisexuality, and we already
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  Speaker 2: know the level of discrimination that happens from both the
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: queer and the heterosexual community when it comes to bisexuality,
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: and it kind of perpetuates that. So go ahead and
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: put that at the top. They try to make funny jokes.
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: It doesn't land, but there are other parts to it
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: that is interesting at the very least. So with all
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: of that, we're going to do our tradition. Now I've
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: given you a big hint, Amy, so you know, you know,
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: first and foremost, can you recap for us what has
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: been happening on season three?
• 2:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So this season, I feel like we've started with most
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: of the team and turmoil again. I feel like Samantle's
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: always doing her own thing. But Carrie broke up with
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: Bigs and then saw wedding advertisements. I said big because
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: that's Star Wars. I'm so sorry, mister big size for him.
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: And you always say bridget Natasha, Yes, and then they've
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: run into each other. So there's been some like drama
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: and hurt around that. Charlotte is once again trying to
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: find a husband, very determined, was talking about finding a
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: political husband or all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 3: She's looking.
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  Speaker 1: Miranda is trying to be independent but still has Steve
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: in her life and is trying to find out what
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: she wants with him and with her life and what
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: that means for her independence. And yeah, Samantha's just living
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  Speaker 1: the best the best time.
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  Speaker 2: Samantha is Samantha ing yes as we like to say it. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So for this title, it is boy girl, boy girl.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have a clue about what this could be?
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  Speaker 3: You have a clue, I have a clue. I have
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  Speaker 3: a clue.
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  Speaker 1: If it's if you feel, based on what you said
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: that it's like bisexuality or rasure, then I would say
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  Speaker 1: it has something.
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  Speaker 3: To do with either you like boys or you like girls.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: You don't like either, but where would this come up
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  Speaker 1: at the club at brunch?
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  Speaker 4: In the club or the brunch.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: Because I feel like that I'm not I'm not giving
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  Speaker 1: any specifics, but I guess that's why there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be talk about it's this or that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I get okay, Oh I forgot.
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  Speaker 2: There is a nineties icon that's two thousand's icon of
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  Speaker 2: guess that's about to appear ninety two thousand and she's
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  Speaker 2: only in it for a second.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited. I must say.
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  Speaker 2: If you I think you will. If you don't, you
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  Speaker 2: have shamed your karaoke your self.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, handle that the pressure?
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  Speaker 5: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Are you ready to sorry?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: All right, dry kings.
• 5:34
  Speaker 6: The collision of illusion and reality.
• 5:39
  Speaker 3: Did not look at that bunch. It's shocking.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, hurry up and look before Juliani shuts
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  Speaker 7: it down.
• 5:46
  Speaker 4: From Juliani who probably about to be disbarred.
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: This is strange washing it now.
• 5:53
  Speaker 4: A time he was seen as normal, not great, but normal.
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  Speaker 1: Also, this is I hadn't thought about this before or
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: but it's interesting in terms of their jobs. Yeah, where
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: you have a friend who's like, come to my art
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: gallery presentation, you've got your sex writer, you've got your
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: lawyer because I feel like a lot of my friends.
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  Speaker 1: You're coming to my job. You're just watching me, like
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  Speaker 1: talking to a computer. You know it's not a social outing.
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  Speaker 4: Your social outing is D and D.
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  Speaker 3: We know that. Yes, yes, I.
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  Speaker 8: Feel we have dual powers within each of us. Men
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  Speaker 8: could be very female and women could be very male.
• 6:39
  Speaker 8: Gender is an illusion, sometimes a very beautiful illusion.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. See, I don't think he's so far off on
• 6:49
  Speaker 4: this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Shoh, I do think so either.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think if we talk instead of saying illusion
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  Speaker 2: and saying it would be construct or spectrum, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like that could be that level.
• 7:08
  Speaker 6: Later, Miranda was shocked to find her apartment had undergone
• 7:11
  Speaker 6: a gender transformation of its own.
• 7:18
  Speaker 5: Chinese.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: He put in a TV sports thought it it's a
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: male household now.
• 7:26
  Speaker 4: With kind of a jersey kind of m.
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  Speaker 6: There was something about him. He was sexy, charming, sexy, coordinated.
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  Speaker 6: Nothing about him or our third date was feeling typical.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: So care again, when was your last serious relationship until then?
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  Speaker 7: There it was inevitable third date question?
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  Speaker 3: M hm, bad question.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: Want to take another spin around the deathwak No, it's
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: it's fine, It's fine.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, you're on date three. You need
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: to be able to talk about like what you're doing right, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, apparently we weren't.
• 8:08
  Speaker 4: Why two K compatible? Hy two K can what about you?
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, you should, especially if you want
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  Speaker 1: it to go anywhere.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: And before Leslie there was Mark.
• 8:20
  Speaker 4: Oh. The shock was that he had a relationship with
• 8:23
  Speaker 4: a guy named Mark.
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  Speaker 7: He's a bisexual.
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: He's a bisexual, she says.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: I'm a trisexual.
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  Speaker 3: I'll try anything.
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  Speaker 2: One correct, correct, just get all confused somewhere between gen
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: X and gen Yes.
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  Speaker 4: This is where I was saying.
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  Speaker 3: Fair.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I did the date the bisexual guy thing
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  Speaker 7: in college, but in the end they all ended up with.
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  Speaker 2: Men, so did the bisexual women, which explains why there
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: are no available men left for us, which maybe just
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: where the beginning of the arguments happened, because I've still
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: heard that today about like all of them end up
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: dating men, like all of them, specifically saying this.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not even sure bisexuality exists. I think it's just
• 9:12
  Speaker 7: a layover on the way to gay town.
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: Isn't that right? Next to Ricky Martin? People think it's great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: act's social experiences.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: He's evolved, Sam, just speaking of it's greedy, he's double dipping.
• 9:25
  Speaker 4: You're not marrying the guy you're does he have just
• 9:28
  Speaker 4: better off the tope?
• 9:30
  Speaker 6: You're right, you're right.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very into labels gay, straight.
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: Pick a side. Yeah, there you go.
• 9:39
  Speaker 4: It is what it is.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: I've got a date with my remote control.
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: Steve's playing basketball.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: That means at least three hours of blissfully uninterrupted alone time.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: There's that moment of when you start living or being
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: in that relationship and you're like, I love you, but
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: I need about two days without you.
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: Just I'm gonna say two hours. I love how you
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: work for days. No, definitely, especially if your place is
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: a little smaller. Yeah, you don't have like a different Yeah, we.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: Have different floors and we don't see each other, like
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: until he comes down.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, hey, pops in for food and it goes away.
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But then like he.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: Works sometimes doing shows and he's gone all day, Like, yeah, yes,
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 8: I would love to have you pose for me.
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: Oh as a man.
• 10:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you'd be great.
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: What a pickup line.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think I want you to dressed like a man,
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: you know for me.
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  Speaker 8: No, but you'd be surprised.
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: Charlotte every the model lining her.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, not me.
• 11:00
  Speaker 7: I'm really bad at math and I can't change a
• 11:03
  Speaker 7: tire to save my life.
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: She can't change a tired and bad at math.
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: She's a girl. I can't be a man.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: The Mulan song is playing loud, playing loud in my head.
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  Speaker 4: I guess better than guy she is.
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: So this is those episodes where you are like, carry
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: is the worst? Why would anyone date her?
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's something you say when you're like
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: twenty in crage, yeah, and you're drunk and you're just
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: like wanting any kind of validation, right, Not when you're thirty.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: And a sex column a sex columnist who's been through
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: a relationship that had you questioning whether you're good enough.
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  Speaker 4: Like I guess maybe her trauma.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a different level of like, why do
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: you need this much validation?
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: Why does this have to be about you?
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: Especially because if he's he's into you, what does that matter?
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  Speaker 9: Right?
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: If there was a man in the past, right.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: And why does that make you so insecure? It's kind
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: of weird that they do, like blame it on him
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: his youth essentially.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you said, it felt very dismissive when
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  Speaker 1: he was like one of them happened to be a guy.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not gay, yeah, because that sounds like, yeah, you
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: were in college and you tried something right right, which
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: can happen, but it is all so often used to
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: erase bisexual people.
• 12:39
  Speaker 9: Exactly, Hey, what what's going on?
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: You're on my side. I love how she's just sitting
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: up like she's just already annoying. To be fair, I've
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: had those moments of like I will push yeah, it's
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: pillow over and slowly push him over.
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: I have to do that with Peaches.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: Actually have to roll her over because she has gotten
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: me on so far off the bed that if I
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: move I fall off.
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: So I have to physically roll her over.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: But even then I'm not sitting up going Hey, maybe.
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  Speaker 9: But.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe if you could spare a drawer or a box
• 13:24
  Speaker 8: or something, and I could keep my underwear out of
• 13:26
  Speaker 8: the way.
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: You want a drawer, he wants a drawer.
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: He wants a drawer to her apartment.
• 13:33
  Speaker 9: Actually, actually I like to move in.
• 13:43
  Speaker 6: Dream of this moment most single women, but Miranda.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: I.
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: Need my space.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm being suffocated.
• 13:59
  Speaker 7: She is Miranda. It's like you're the guy sometimes.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, general reversal, is that the thing they're all kind
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  Speaker 1: of showcasing typically masculine.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: Perhaps or just like no, or the opposite of what
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  Speaker 2: they typically are. Maybe not necessarily because no, Miranda's pretty
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: like masculine in her like stereotype. I guess it's the
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: stereotype of being like good job and having our own
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: house already and not needing to be wanting to be independent,
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: all those things, which is like attributed to men. You see,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: my hips don't pop.
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: I'm a guy.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: You're insane.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: This isn't helping me find my inner goddess. This is
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: making me find my inner humiliation and reached back. This
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: is also why I don't do class is where instructors
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: come and talk to you. I have like been in
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: the classes, like workout classes with people where they don't
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: talk to me until like they get to know me,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: and I'm good with that and then we.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: Like tease each other.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: But if you're pointing me out, tell me what I'm
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: doing wrong in the first class?
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Hell no, how dare you?
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: I listened to class once.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: You weren't allowed to leave until you could do a
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: handstand like it was face on time.
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: So like whoever did the handstand longest would leave, and
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: then they would do it again. Whoever did the handstand
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: longest would leave. This was a class Yeah, and it
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: was horrible. Yeah, one time I got not the last five.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: I think in any relationship, one person's the alpha dog,
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: the one that's in charge.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: That's you.
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: You don't want to share your water.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Dish, but I'm very free with the chew toys that
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: you are.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: So this is making Mariana question her femininity because she
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: doesn't want all these things.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I've been there.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: That has a lot to do with my like growing
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: up in a religious home more so than society. But
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I mean society doesn't help. But like I'm supposed to
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: be this feminine thing and I'm like, I don't. I
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: don't meet this criteria and maybe I'm doing this all wrong.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: And who the hell do you think you are? You're boss,
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Samantha Jones pr Now, I don't know when she will. Yeah,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: well she's been busy. Yeah, you have the attitude too.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: On FYI, your party suck.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: The bad news is you're fired. The good news is
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: now I can figure you.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Samantha Discovity, no lawsuit whatsoever.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: Everything is just fuss.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Well that's my job today.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: But I got to the boss and I get to
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: do a lawsuit. Where can I find a lawyer?
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make you dinner? And then this conference
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: call went over like two hours, and I went to
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: the market and the recipe comes for extra virgin olive
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: one and they only had virgin And how the hell
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: do I know the difference.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: In the jar?
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: And I'm late, don't move it's glass.
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: I can't.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I can't do this.
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: Of course you can't.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: We'll order pizza.
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: It's no big deal.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: It's a deal.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I just spelled marinary.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: This is why Steve is a good guy here, Like
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: he just it's easy going. I mean, yes, is he
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: kind of slop? Does he needs to get things together?
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Crawling on your shoulder? Jesus, I guess I really am
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: a woman.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: You get this moment of like you try to be
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: like forward, moving in, like understanding that gender roles is
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a con all these things, and then you have scenes
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: like that were like I really am a woman because
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I'm crying, and then there's an internalized misogyny. Hey, what
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: are you going?
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: Just more cigarettes?
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: That was the last night I saw Sean, I realized
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: they could do whatever they want.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: And then she ran. I was too, and you know
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: he was scarred by that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not scarred, but he was gonna he's gonna talk
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: about the woman and he was like, could not handle.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: She just left and never she went out for cigarettes
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and never back. Wow.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is one of the Again, as I said before,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: this is one of those episodes that I'm like, oh, no, cringe.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Cringe, it's not good.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was one of the ones that I remember
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: when I originally watched it. I think it was around
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the same time I was watching thirty Rock, because thirty
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Rock had that episode and said something's very similar like
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: this just a layover to gaytown essentially, and thinking like, wow,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: y'all really do not help this situation at all and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: will not allow for like this level of conversation. And yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I think this is definitely again one of those that
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: you're like, it did not age well. And unfortunately this
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: this viewpoint is still the same. We hear it still
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: in the generation of like they're just confused, they just
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: What they want.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: They are like being they're so young and immature and
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: trying these things out and instead of allowing for like no,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: but if we really look at the bigger picture of
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: like being able to say, I guess it's kind of
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: like the whole pansexual type of conversation of like being
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: on a spectrum and falling in love with who you
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: fall in love with who you're falling in love with
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that person and not necessarily of that gender. Wish if
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: his character, Shawn's character had said that instead of saying
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not gay, I think would have been a lot
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: more reasonable and it made sense like he wasn't ashamed
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: of it. But of course she kind of like pressured
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: him to such a point of him having to defend
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: his masculinity essentially.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Somehow. So yeah, that was the.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: One that I was like, oh no, oh no, you
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: kind of got it. There was no culd oh think
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: they got to a club.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: He had hair.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Hair.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: They went to hair.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: They didn't get a brunch, but they I'm a liar,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: they did go a bruh all right. You know, if
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: there was a score from one to ten, which I
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: switch it up every time, I'd give you a six.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a six, okay, because also helped you here.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: I put you on a curve on that one.
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: You did.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: You did help me because I also needed h.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: A warning with those uncomfortable ones. But yeah, that's the conversation.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I wonder for the newer generations and for you who
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: are a new viewer, what did you think about this episode?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it was a strange experience because it both felt
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: incredibly dated but also yes they still do that mm
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: hmm and things that we see. And it was also
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: interesting because you know, as a viewer, I assume you're
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: meant to relate to Carry and all the other characters,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: but in this case Carrie, but it does feel like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: yeah to me, and this is very personal. Not everybody
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: feels this way. But if you're gonna play a game
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of flexpin the bottle, I would never be like, I'm
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: not gonna kiss a woman, even if I wasn't bisexual
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: or gay, Like if I was sitting down to play
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it and the rules had been like established that I'd
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: be like okay, and I the fact that she just
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: left and was like.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: All right, fart and like, but I don't.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And I would love like if anyone can write in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: because I know people feel this way and I can
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I can understand to an extent, but to me personally,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like the fact that someone would be bisexual would not
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: make me more insecure or jealous.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I get that. That's then it's more people that I
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: have to be concerned about and heavy quotes, But it
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be like I'm suddenly more suspicious, right.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And we have talked about that before, because there is
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a popular media tope that bisexual people are just way
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: more sexual, which is not true, but there is that
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: understanding of, oh, if anyone looks their way, they'll sleep
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: with them in very heavy sarcasm. But that was just
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: kind of bizarre to me. I guess I didn't really
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: get it right.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely this like back and forth of
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: going her trying to be.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Cool with it, but not being cool with that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: This is very like conservative take to being like they
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: can do what they want, it's not for me, but
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: then also being really judgmental and like being a part
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of that. And again like from jump, I would not
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: be playing to spend the ball with strangers, not whatever
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: it's sexuality strangers. Boy Blake, I'm like, nah, I'm good,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I'm good. Y'all have fun with this. But you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: if he made her do it that's very uncomfortable and
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that's definitely on him. Yes, it is also portraying that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: people who are open about their sexuality are promiscuous and sharing.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Like it definitely leaned into this whole.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Narrative that is really stereotypical and harmful for the gay
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: community point blank. But it's also very much like us
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: versus them mentality, and it also is a generational us
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: versus them mentality as well.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: There's so many things on.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: This sweet level of like you just really wanted to
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: play every insecurity that you had getting into your thirties
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: being single, like it just as I get it because
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I was definitely single in my thirties, but the insecurities
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: were not that real for me. I don't know, I
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: think for those of people, and maybe this is a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: whole different generation where in the two thousands they didn't outright.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Speak up about their sexuality.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Majority of the people that I hang out with, I
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: know there's sexual orientation, so there's no confusion in know
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: like it's not a thing, and that doesn't base anything.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm also the very much that same type of person
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and who were like who was like, you know, I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: don't go in thinking either we're dating because we met
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: to date, right and at the beginning, and maybe this
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: is the online dating thing, you know everything, right, So
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: like that kind of changes it up where you're not
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: necessarily surprised unless they lie, you know, and that happens too,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And if they even find out they're lying, you're out.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, I'm out.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's a different type of like beginning, I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: have a relationship that they are talking about where it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: not online dating. I'm trying to remember. I don't think
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: they have any episodes about online dating other than your
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: old school like.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: In a newspaper, right or chat room right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess the thing is, like I've
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: actually been seeing a lot of conversations about this recently
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: since we have Happy Pride. Yeah, oh yeah, I have
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of conversations about this recently, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it made me stop and think, because I feel like
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Sean in this case, he was very open about you know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe the like I'm not gay was confusing in this context,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: but he was open about, you know, And there's been
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: conversations about people who didn't know exactly how they identified
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: until they got older, until they did try things or
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: they felt repressed in one way, and then it wasn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: until they went to college.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: But feeling.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Like maybe Sean feels bad for Carrie, you know what
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like I wish I had known then that
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that's what I was and I was dating you and
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that wasn't what I wanted And that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: can be, like now a great feeling. And so I've
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: just seen some really interesting conversations happening about that lately.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Again, he was very he was like point like this
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: is me.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's the other point of that. It's
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: like her.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Not discussed but like discontent in him being that open
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and free about it really bothered her, really bothered her.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: She's like like, he's from Colorado like that, I'm like, well,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: how do you wanted to say it? Like dejected in
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a quiet voice and shame to do? What do you
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: want him to do? Hide it from you because you'd
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: be more upset. Right when you meet the friends and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, I used to say him exactly.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And we've run into this in several episodes recently. She
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: is a sex columnist, right, like she I feel like
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: she should if she's not.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Comfortable with it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, but I guess that's the flip coin of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But then you remove yourself from
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not comfortable with it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm gonna have to think about what that says.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: But that's right, And her level of disgust and like
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: distrust in him was so high. So we've talked about
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: this before with like people in relationships with trans people
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: or people who are bisexual and feeling like they're in
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: danger if they tell them yes, like or they'll be
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: shamed very quickly if they tell them the truth, so
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: they do hide it, and then it becomes a bigger thing,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like all these things, and like they can't openly date,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: freely date and trust the person they're dating, even though
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: they really think they can they would like to, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: then it ends up.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Back like these.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: This is that kind of like that ground of like
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: this is a really dangerous scope and you're using this
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: as a comedy, you're using this as a plot line.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I believe the writer of this episode is a gay man.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Darren Starr is attributed as the writer who is a gay,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: openly gay man, as well as Jenny Bricks and then
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: of course Candace Bushnell, who is the writer of the book,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: author of the book, but like it.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: It feels like he might. I don't know if he
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: did that on purpose.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he realized it, or if it
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: was just a scope of the early two thousands and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the way we saw bisexuality at that point in time.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Because at the very least like and just like that,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: at least when they decided to do non binary folks,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: they did treat them all with a little more respect,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: not complete the respect that they deserved again because they
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: actually portrayed that character. Also, as I think chas as
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: over sex, willing to have sex with anybody, didn't care
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: who that their relationships are not type of thing.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: That's a whole different conversation. I will say I.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Didn't I haven't watched the newest season. But all of
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that to say is like, Okay, I don't know if
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: you mean to do this, I don't know this is
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: an underlying thought process for you, or if you really
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: thought this was like an open conversation, so whatever, whatnot.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: But it's not a great look. Maybe we're just looking
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: at it in a way that makes me defensive, maybe
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: because I do have friends who are bisexual men who
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: are like trying just to live their life. I have, like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: you know, like I have come to the point as
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: being I guess an elder millennial slash gen X, like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I'm on that line as a Zilli and neal, I guess,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: And I like, this is part of my conversation in
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: college and then trying to figure that out. And I
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: didn't meet people who were bisexual. I met people who
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: were gay, or they weren't openly or having that conversation
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of being that because I don't think they felt that
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: they could. If they were, they were typically women definitely
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: not men, which to me was an interesting conversation in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: that self like.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: They're just going through.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: A period quote unquote, you know, and and it's just
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the d like it's just kind of like the Katy
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Perry song like I Kiss the Girl. It became a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: fetishized idea of what it was, and that was a
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: college thing as well, so I feel like that was
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: just part of this. This seems like a feats into
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: that narrative and it feels very very like dangerous on
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the scope of where we are today obviously with queer
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: laws were this is twenty four years later, we're watching
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: this twenty four years later, so the fact that this
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: narrative is still being spread is the concern, honestly.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you brought up several points that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: we should maybe come back and talk about later, which is,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you know, not feeling safe sharing your gender identity, so
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: there can be reasons to hide. And I also think
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I had this conversation with my mom this weekend. My goodness,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: if this was a different show, I would go into
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the drama that is happening at her church. But one
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: of the things revolves around a lot of LGBTQ plus stuff,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: which is happening in a lot of churches. And we've
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: talked about that in our religious series miniseries that we did.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: But one thing she said at one point was like
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and it was a gay guy that said that, And
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, just because a gay guy said that,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: we're not for still people who have biases and can
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: make mistakes and can be wrong. We've talked before about
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: within the queer community there is unfortunately a lot of
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: there can be a lot of judgment and criticism, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that's sort of been the history with bisexuality, with transgender
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and having people judge that within the queer community. So
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I think our audience doesn't need the reminder,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: but if anyone does, just just because someone's queer and
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: they make a queer thing doesn't mean.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Right without something we shouldn't look at and be like okay, wait, right, yes, right, yes, I.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Just crossed upon an Asian man from Georgia that does
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a Republican conservative talk shows the way.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. I mean it's thank you for like any community, right.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I always say that about feminism is like it's not
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a monolith, right, And this is interesting to me because
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: this was happening during like the third wave right, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of that in the third
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: wave was a very addressing gender stuff but still being
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: pretty gendered and.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Doing right right as we saw as we saw like
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: literally Miranda's whole thing was I'm not girly enough.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Well I guess I am girling because I like it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Just like it went into it like being like okay,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you can be this and like still be a woman.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: That's great, and then she goes, no, now really, I'm
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: looking at me cry and I'm like, oh, well you
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: broke that, so never mind.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an interesting time where they were like,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: let's be feminine, but not the bad weak parts. But
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: doing so, it's saying that being feminine is still worse, right, right, Sarah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: things to criticize about how we do that media whereas
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: women always crying, but women do cry is like a
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: complicated mess.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: The level, but like, it's interesting to see it written,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and again this is two thousands. Two thousands were a
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: lot of great things. It opened up a lot of
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: like conversations. But then like again, you know that it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: not too much from today, too much different from today,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: which is probably why we're more frustrated. And I'm more
• 34:29
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• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and this is a bad but this was part of
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the foundation that why we can't break it.
• 34:36
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• 34:41
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• 34:44
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