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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, March 19 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It's Thursday, March. This is Jaguars Happy Hour and now
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  Speaker 1: a guy who's never postponed the later canceled but probably
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  Speaker 1: should be j P. Chad Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour,
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  Speaker 1: self isolated edition from the home studio. J P. Shadrick
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  Speaker 1: with you. We've got plenty to get to putting a
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars news. Over the last couple of days and even
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  Speaker 1: into today, around free agency, a couple of trades have
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  Speaker 1: been made. They've signed, a few guys were not signed.
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  Speaker 1: They've agreed to terms and pending physicals and a signature
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  Speaker 1: on a piece of paper. They'll be signed down the line.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows when they'll become official. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 1: on the show today, all the Jaguars talk. We'll hear
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  Speaker 1: from Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk. He's coming on
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  Speaker 1: at four thirty today. We'll touch on the Jaguars moves
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  Speaker 1: with Mike and then get some of the bigger picture
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  Speaker 1: stories from around the National Football League as well. A
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  Speaker 1: lot going on there. Tom Brady on the move, Philip
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  Speaker 1: Rivers on the move, big name quarterbacks a big, big
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  Speaker 1: reason why this free agency period has been so newsworthy.
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  Speaker 1: We'll hear from Jeff log Aman at four forty five
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  Speaker 1: to break down all the Jaguars moves and what they
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  Speaker 1: mean moving forward, and Jaguars dot Com senior writer John
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  Speaker 1: Osier joins us now over the phone lines, John, how
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  Speaker 1: are you? And it's um, it's kind of sad to
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  Speaker 1: be self isolated from you, but good afternoon. Well people
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  Speaker 1: who have been wanting me to social distance for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. So uh, there's a lot of happy people
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  Speaker 1: out there amidst this obvious doing a serious note. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: a very difficult time, no doubt, um, but good to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you. It's been a couple of days and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of work going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes to get this show on the air, get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the Jaguars news out there on Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: dot Com, including all of your riding everything that's going on. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's start, I guess with a quarterback. Then
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  Speaker 1: when Nick Foles was traded to the Bears for the
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  Speaker 1: compensatory fourth round pick, he was the league's most expensive
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  Speaker 1: free agent last year, and a year later, now Johnny's
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  Speaker 1: gone well, and it just shows you with the quarterback position,
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  Speaker 1: JP teams and the Jaguars did this and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of teams do it. You invest a lot in the
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  Speaker 1: front end, and in some cases it's a high risk investment.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, they went for it last year believing
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  Speaker 1: that they needed that piece to get them back to
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  Speaker 1: where they wanted to be, and uh, it just never worked.
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  Speaker 1: It never worked out, And maybe it could have worked
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  Speaker 1: out had they remained in that direction for one more year,
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  Speaker 1: but the circumstances, it just felt right to try to
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  Speaker 1: get equity for him. And I think it's the prizing
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  Speaker 1: people when they were able to get a fourth round pick.
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  Speaker 1: I think got credit to Dave Caldwell for getting that
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  Speaker 1: fourth round pick. A month and a half ago I
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  Speaker 1: was writing, a lot of people were talking about would
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  Speaker 1: they need to give up something, uh to get rid
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  Speaker 1: of them. That never really made sense once you examined it,
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  Speaker 1: because they were only going to save three million on
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  Speaker 1: the cap doing that, so it kind of became obvious
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  Speaker 1: that they were gonna want to try to get something
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  Speaker 1: for him and not give them away. And but a
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  Speaker 1: fourth round pick, I think that it shows you that
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  Speaker 1: there are still people in the league who believe, rightly
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  Speaker 1: or wrongly, that fowls can play and contribute. And it
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  Speaker 1: it felt like a real win for the Jaguars as
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the trades have so far still as
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  Speaker 1: you said, about eighteen million dollars of dead money on
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  Speaker 1: the salary cap, but a three million dollars savings of
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  Speaker 1: what they would have paid for the quarterback position. So
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  Speaker 1: after this year, he's off the Jaguars books, and that's
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  Speaker 1: the best news after the last few years of quarterback
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  Speaker 1: situation around here, after the Blake Bartal situation and shipping
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  Speaker 1: him off and having to eat a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: salary and now the Nick Foles, things like, we're getting
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  Speaker 1: ever closer to just moving on, and that moving on
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  Speaker 1: right now as it stands as Gardner Minshew as the
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback well, and I think the big thing obviously
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  Speaker 1: two things Minshe being the starting quarterback. Secondly, and this
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  Speaker 1: sort of got lost as people started figuring out the
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  Speaker 1: Cat that captain be complex and on Twitter you have
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  Speaker 1: so many storylines you can cover. What you said about
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  Speaker 1: the goals being off the books for next year's Cat
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  Speaker 1: is critical. He was gonna be had they released them
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  Speaker 1: next year. It might have been like one five somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in that range. But a huge hit. And the salary
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  Speaker 1: cap well, that's now gone, so they're free of that
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  Speaker 1: twenty million. Probably not going to be something the average
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  Speaker 1: fan thinks about too much this year, this time next year. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: that one five is gonna feel good for people making
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  Speaker 1: the decisions around here. Um, you know, it feels like
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what's gonna happen in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you have to look at the possibility of
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  Speaker 1: maybe a quarterback in the top ten, but I would
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  Speaker 1: put that at relatively low possibility. It feels like Minshew
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  Speaker 1: is going to get the opportunity to show that the
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  Speaker 1: signs that he showed being a franchise guy, he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: get at least one year, it looks like, to show
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  Speaker 1: that those signs are real. And uh, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure we'll talk to Loguman later in the show about
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  Speaker 1: or you will ye are those real? Is he the guy?
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  Speaker 1: It sure feels like he's gonna get the shot to
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  Speaker 1: show it. And uh, I feel like you sort of
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  Speaker 1: earned that last year and we'll see how it goes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you don't get the feeling, John, that they're gonna spend
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of money on like Jamis Winston or something
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  Speaker 1: to come in here. This age I'd be stocked with that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the draft is a completely different animal than
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  Speaker 1: free agency. With this, they've invested huge money at the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback position and hadn't had it worked out two years
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  Speaker 1: in a row. Um to me at Jamis Winston, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and get the names out there right now. I feel
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  Speaker 1: very similar to Folds and Borders in terms of you're
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  Speaker 1: sort of holding your breath and taking a chance and
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  Speaker 1: seeing how it goes. If there was something out there
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  Speaker 1: there was a dead solid lock, maybe, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: they've had their experience with sort of flipping a coin
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  Speaker 1: the last two offseasons. I just can't rule out draft
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  Speaker 1: because they're sitting at number nine and they've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of draft equity. I don't know they have enough
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  Speaker 1: to go up and get the guys people would want.
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  Speaker 1: So that that's why I feel like it probably gets
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  Speaker 1: put on hold for a year the quarterback. But when
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  Speaker 1: it's the quarterback position and you and you're in the
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  Speaker 1: top ten, I think you have to at least study
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  Speaker 1: do we go get a guy. I'm not sure on
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  Speaker 1: that one yet. J. P. Shatrick with the Jaguars dot
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  Speaker 1: Com senior writer John os Or Jaguars Happy Hour continues,
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  Speaker 1: and we move along now to some other deals that
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars had. I guess we'll not finalized, but agreed to
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  Speaker 1: terms with Klais Campbell traded to the Ravens for round pick.
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  Speaker 1: And then the one that is finalized is a j
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  Speaker 1: Boyer traded to the Broncos for fourth round pick. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with the Klis deal, John. I mean, he's the
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  Speaker 1: Walter Peyton Man of the Year. For goodness sakes, He's
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  Speaker 1: an All Pro player, three time Pro bowler, and I
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  Speaker 1: put out a poll on Twitter because that's what when
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  Speaker 1: you want real results, that's what you do, John, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what they are. I mean, there's there's no lying
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  Speaker 1: on that. Like sevent or more of the votes had
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  Speaker 1: him as the best free agent in Jaguars history, not
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  Speaker 1: including Jimmy Smith. I had three other guys on there,
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  Speaker 1: but he was by far and clear the favorite. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's just because he's the most recent and he's
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  Speaker 1: fantastic of course for three years, um, but what he
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  Speaker 1: did to this organization the last three years, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you can find a better free agent guy
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  Speaker 1: to have around here and then to part ways with
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  Speaker 1: him like they did, it's not ideal, but it's the
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  Speaker 1: business part of this send the thing. Yeah, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think to be fair, I think you gotta throw
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  Speaker 1: Keenan McCardell on that list. I mean yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: Keenan is going to be on the wall at some
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  Speaker 1: point and was critical. I think he's one of the
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  Speaker 1: top five or six players in Jaguars history. So I'll
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  Speaker 1: go to the whole list here in a second job,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, I mean anyway, Um, regarding Klais, couldn't
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  Speaker 1: have given you more. I don't think you can have
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  Speaker 1: a better free agent signing in terms of immediate impact.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's the shame that the NFL
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  Speaker 1: right now is set up to where it's hard for
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  Speaker 1: guys who are beloved finish their careers in places. But
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  Speaker 1: the other side of that is, if it was set
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  Speaker 1: up that way, he probably would have finished his career
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona because he was beloved there too. So um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nobody around the jag Wars wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: Klais go. But here's the bottom line. Sixteen sacks in seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: ten sacts in eighteen and six stacks last year. You
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  Speaker 1: know he's not the same player that he was in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. He's a good, good, good player, but
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  Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars and that kind of cats. If you
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  Speaker 1: could get a fifth round draft choice for him, it's
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  Speaker 1: still a good trade. It hurts. I love covering Plais,
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody did of being around philis, But in
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  Speaker 1: terms of what you're trying to do right now and
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  Speaker 1: setting up this franchise for the future, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: just don't know how you could do any differently when
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  Speaker 1: you had a fifth round take available for it, and
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  Speaker 1: when you could get that money off the books. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, rebuild, repool, reload, whatever. But right now you've
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  Speaker 1: got to be smart with how your structure in this thing,
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  Speaker 1: and I just don't know that there was another way
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  Speaker 1: to go on him. The results of that scientific poll
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  Speaker 1: that I put out the other day, John Um there
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  Speaker 1: were seven responses. Calais Campbell had seventy of the vote,
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  Speaker 1: Keenan hadent, paulp was Lesnie twelve for sentain Leon Searcy
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  Speaker 1: fo Yeah, and I think if you know, if Klaas
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  Speaker 1: had had his career in the nineties and Keenan had
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  Speaker 1: just had his career, uh, you know, but that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I mean everybody gets that, and it's uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't wanna take anything away from Klaius. He deserves
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  Speaker 1: his moment. I personally think he's a pride of the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars guy at some point down the road, even though
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  Speaker 1: it's just three years that he played, only because of
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  Speaker 1: what he gave and without him, two thousand and seventeen
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Uh. And if you can't put him in
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  Speaker 1: your pride, what are you doing? So? And I feel
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  Speaker 1: the same way about Keenan Frank. I think there's guys
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  Speaker 1: who who deserves be up there. But you know, Calais
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  Speaker 1: is a legacy player for this organization to make J. P.
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  Speaker 1: Shatick was senior writer for Jaguars dot Com. John Osier
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour continues um from the home studio here.
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  Speaker 1: John Osier on the phone line with us, and we
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  Speaker 1: continue with the A. J. Boyer trade. His physical was
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  Speaker 1: finished before all the lockdowns and everything, so it is
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  Speaker 1: officially to the Bronc Coaster fourth round pick, and now
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  Speaker 1: the entire starting secondary from that run to the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: is no longer with the Jacksonville Jaguars. But it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like John over the last couple of years. The overall
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  Speaker 1: playoff boy A dropped a bit. That number was really high,
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  Speaker 1: the dead number low. It felt like he was gonna
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  Speaker 1: go no matter what. Yeah, I was sort of surprised
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  Speaker 1: that they were able to get a fourth round pick
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  Speaker 1: for him. I mean, and again not to you know,
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  Speaker 1: you say bad things about boy but he hadn't been
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  Speaker 1: the kind of player in two thousand, eighteen and nineteen
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  Speaker 1: as he wasn't at seventeen. The overall defense wasn't as good,
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  Speaker 1: which always hurts the cornerback when you don't have the
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  Speaker 1: pass rush in front of you. Um. Again, fourth round
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  Speaker 1: pick for full, fifth round pick for Clay, a fourth
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  Speaker 1: round pick for boy A. Uh. Somebody asked in the
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  Speaker 1: Ozone a few weeks back, how did David called, I'll
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  Speaker 1: get a fourth round pick for boy I said, Witchcraft.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was a great move by
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  Speaker 1: Caldwell to get that. I thought he was gonna be
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  Speaker 1: released because I didn't know that he had any values
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  Speaker 1: on the open market. Uh. But again back to you know,
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  Speaker 1: the thread was Kolias and what these guys mean A
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  Speaker 1: j boy A, just like Kleis, should be remembered by Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: Fans incredibly fondly, never anything wrong off the field, was
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  Speaker 1: was a great guy to be around, and as with Kolis,
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  Speaker 1: without him two thousand and seventeen doesn't happen. And that
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  Speaker 1: was as much as things has gone wrong the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years, that was a special year. So I
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  Speaker 1: hope he does well in Denver. But right now you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at a situation where I think they go draft
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  Speaker 1: a corner to replace boy a Um and I think
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  Speaker 1: they go draft a defensive tackle to address the middle.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, as hard as it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be for people to hear, I think you have a
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  Speaker 1: chance of being at least the same defense. It's not
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  Speaker 1: that or it's the two rookies that they have, and
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  Speaker 1: I think they'll go corner and defense attack in the
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  Speaker 1: first round or early in the second. I think you
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  Speaker 1: can be very quickly improving on defense compared to last
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  Speaker 1: year because of what you've done at linebacker. And that's
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  Speaker 1: probably the next topic. John Oshan with us on Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Happy Hour, and it is you've done these shows before.
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  Speaker 1: John is the next topic, and the Jaguars announcing that
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  Speaker 1: they have agreed to terms with Joe Schobert from the
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  Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns to be the middle linebacker. He has a
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  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and under his belt back from the seen season.
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  Speaker 1: That means and probably more notably, that Myles Jack is
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  Speaker 1: moving to the weak side of position he has not played,
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  Speaker 1: at least to my knowledge, in college or the pros.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly the pros um that's huge news for this defense.
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  Speaker 1: One of the guys remaining is moving to get another
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  Speaker 1: linebacker position. And as Doug Moron was saying earlier today
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  Speaker 1: to the Jaguars Dot Com crue Ashlan Sullivan, that, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it gives them a little flexibility at that
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  Speaker 1: back of position and Miles can move around if needed.
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  Speaker 1: But it sounds like Miles is moving to the week
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  Speaker 1: side John, Yeah, and by something what Doug said this morning,
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  Speaker 1: you think that's his is the most natural position, which
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  Speaker 1: it started to feel that way last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: But let's remember this mild. You know, we got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of criticism last year, and I'm not sure all
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  Speaker 1: was warranted. That's another topic. I think he would have
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  Speaker 1: been playing week side a long time ago, and I've
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  Speaker 1: had people question me in the ozone, well, why in
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  Speaker 1: the world didn't they do this already? Well, for three years.
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  Speaker 1: Helpings is over there, So I'm not sure that that
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  Speaker 1: was necessarily a negligent moved by the coaching stack. You
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  Speaker 1: had a guy who's playing at a high level, and
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to get your best guys on the field.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that he wouldn't have done it
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  Speaker 1: last year, except it Kelvin surprised everybody very late in
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  Speaker 1: the process. The draft had already taken place, free agency
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  Speaker 1: had already taken place, so you try to go, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then he retired or least football would ever happen.
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  Speaker 1: So I think this the situation where now it makes
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  Speaker 1: sense to get Miles over the week side. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that you wanted to do it last year because
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're shaking everything up. You're not
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  Speaker 1: sure what's going on, so Miles jack over the middle.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that you necessarily want to say that
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  Speaker 1: it's only because of Miles, because Schobert's a good player,
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  Speaker 1: good middle linebacker and natural medal linebacker. As Doug said
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times when Ashlal was talking to him
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  Speaker 1: and when I talked to him later, this is the
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  Speaker 1: situation where you improved two positions with one signing uh,
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  Speaker 1: the jag Wars clearly needed to do that with their defense.
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  Speaker 1: He thinks this makes the run defense a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: I would think there'll be a major acquisition in the draft,
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  Speaker 1: had one more pizza that run defense. But to me,
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  Speaker 1: if you look at their season last year, the inability
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  Speaker 1: to stop the run once Darius went out was the
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  Speaker 1: defining characteristics of the season, beyond all the offensive troubles,
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  Speaker 1: beyond anything else, beyond even Jalen Ramsey leaving. They couldn't
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  Speaker 1: stop the run. When you can't do that, you can't
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  Speaker 1: win because it's all teams due to you is run
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  Speaker 1: when they know you can't stop it. If these acquisitions
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  Speaker 1: make you better against the run, it makes them more
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  Speaker 1: competitive no matter what else they've lost. It was awful
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  Speaker 1: last year and that stretch especially that you know, um
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  Speaker 1: three quarters part of the season there when they just
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  Speaker 1: couldn't They were giving up two hundred yard games every
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  Speaker 1: time out. You can't compete. You can't compete because it's
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  Speaker 1: all people do to you could run. You're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: do anything else because it's low risk that stop. Then
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  Speaker 1: you can start talking about the other position. They feel
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  Speaker 1: like they're making moves toward that. All right, Um, dark
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  Speaker 1: ques Denard from the Bengals cornerback, he'll compete it outside
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  Speaker 1: corner and defensive lineman Rodney Gunter from the Cardinals sounds
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  Speaker 1: like he's got some big end ability and three technique
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  Speaker 1: they can move around. Almost the Calais Campbell type position.
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  Speaker 1: Type role there for Rodney Gunter. But you know, Dennard
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  Speaker 1: may not be the answer outside, but he's going to
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  Speaker 1: compete to be the answer outside. And the rest, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the off season remains with a draft. As you mentioned earlier,
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  Speaker 1: they could be drafting a cornerback pretty high here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think both of those positions, or both of
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  Speaker 1: those acquisitions feel like the same kind of thing in
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  Speaker 1: different positions, Meaning it's not like offensive line where you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna line up five guys and hope they all play
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• 34:55
  Speaker 1: little bit later to break down the Jaguars editions. Now
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: on the phone line, it's Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and Mike, this is the the strangest of weeks in
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: our one of our strangest weeks in our country's history,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: not not much less the sports world. But you look
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: online just now, moments ago you put up on Pro
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Football Talk that Sean Payton has tested positive for COVID nineteen.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: This is now officially touched the NFL community. I don't
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: remember anybody else, at least publicly testing positive in the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: NFL yet, Mike, how are you. I'm doing well, And yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: he's the first one to test positive. And we continue
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to be in that weird phase of this where we
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: assume a lot more people have it than we know about,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and they're typically only testing people who have symptoms or
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: who know they have been exposed to someone who's tested positive.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if coach Payton has any symptoms.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: He says he came forward just to encourage people to
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: take the situation seriously, as plenty of people are. But
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: there's still plenty of people out there who just don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: get it, they don't understand it, they don't want to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: understand it, or they understand it, and they still choose
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to live their lives at the way they want to.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: It's pretty clear, Mike, that there's never really been a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: week or a month ahead, or a two or three
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: months ahead in sports like we have right now. I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: don't remember anything like this in my life. Maybe nine
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: eleven that was a week, a week and a half
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: of games not playing or anything happening. World War two,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, but that's well before our lifetimes. World
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: War two created some strange outcomes for the National Football League,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: as you would expect. I don't know if the league
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: was ever shut down, but at one point the Steelers
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: and the Eagles were combined into one team because so
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: many NFL age players were off fighting the war, either
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: in the European theater or the Pacific theater. And I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: agree with you. Look, the difference here is most of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the situations that we've lived through have been discreete immediate
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: moments that subside and we pick up the pieces and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: we figure out a way to move forward. This is
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: some thing where as I've said this week several times,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: we're standing at the bottom of a mountain. We're looking
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: straight up and we have no idea where the top
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: of it is, and we just start climbing and it
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: changes everything. It's going to wipe out. I believe the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: entire offseason program for the NFL is going to create
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a different reality for the draft. The training camp openings
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: may be delayed. Who knows how many different impacts it's
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: going to have because of the reality that we need
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to remain in a situation where the spread is minimized
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: to protect the people who are the most vulnerable from
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: dying from You know, in every TV show or movie
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: or book that we've ever come across regarding a pandemic
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: like this or some sort of a virus that overtakes
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the population, there's never one where so many people are
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: perfectly fine and they're walking around with it. That's what's
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: weird about Usually it's the exception. It's the Will Smith
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and I am legend who doesn't get affected by the virus.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: It's not the vast majority of people are fine, which
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: causes some of the vast majority to act like everything
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: is fine while a significant percentage of the population is
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: at risk of dying from it. Mike Florio Pro Football
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Talk joining us that said, was the NFL right to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: continue with the free agency starting on Wednesday and the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: negotiation period leading up to that, or should it be
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: should it have been delayed as well? I personally believed
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: it should have been delayed now. I thought things were
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: going to get a lot worse this week than they
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: did as of Monday morning. I believe that by Wednesday,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: at four pm Eastern, when the new league year began,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: there was a very good chance that there was going
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to be a national quarantine put in place, which would
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: have made it impossible for anyone to finalize transactions and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: just would have slammed the brakes on everything. In hindsight,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I think it worked out for the NFL. I know
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that there's some frustration out there on the part of
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: teams that believe some of the rules the NFL put
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: in place did not reflect a practical understanding of what
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the needs of the teams are, and there's been some
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: relaxation of some of the some of the provisions that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: it really didn't make a whole lot of sense, like
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: not announcing any deals until the physicals can be accomplished,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: because getting the physicals done has been the most cumbersome
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: part of this, because players can't come to the facility
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and the doctors can't go to the players. But yeah,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I I I thought they should have waited. But at
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the same time, the business needed to get done at
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: some point, and it did provide several days of a
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: diversion and a distraction from people who are coming to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: grips with the fact that they're going to be inside
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: for a while. Although I had a good friend asked
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: me the other day, not connected to the NFL world,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: should they really have done this? Because it is odd
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: when people are trying to figure out where their money
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: is going to come from over the next couple of
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: months to read about all of these guys signing multimillion
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: dollar contracts. And that was one of the concerns I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: had the optics. But the other concern was just more pragmatic.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: When is the curtain coming down on a national quarantine
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: and if you've already started this process, It's going to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: be very difficult to stop it. Mike Florio with us
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: at Pro Football Talk on Twitter now that said, since
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: they kept it going, the negotiation period and the free
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: agency opening of the league year and all that, I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: don't remember a period of the last three or four
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: days as hectic as this. And the big reason why,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: at least for me, Mike, is the quarterback names involved,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: starting with the goat, Tom Brady. You throw those quarterback
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: names around in a free agency cycle, it doesn't get
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: much bigger than that. Yeah, it was going to be,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: before the world turned upside down, one of the most
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: compelling free agency periods of all time, and it still was.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: It just wasn't as compelling as it could have been
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: because of everything that occurred, obviously the Tom Brady factor,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the anticipate nation of who was actually going to get
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: in on that, And my understanding is he had a
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: set of terms that he communicated to the Buccaneers, the Chargers,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and possibly of the teams. At the end of the day,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and the Charges are the ones who said
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: we're in, and he chose the Buccaneers over the Chargers.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But that was just part of this game of musical
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: chairs where we saw just strange developments. Philip Rivers to
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the Colts, Teddy Bridgewater to the Panthers, Cam Newton available
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to go wherever. The Nick Foles trade obviously something that
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: we thought was a possibility if someone was going to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: step up and take that contract without expecting Jacksonville to
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: pay any of it. So, you know, the music has
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: slowed down. The Patriots don't have anyone they've acquired other
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: than the guy they have in Jared Stidham, who could
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: very well take over. Andy Dalton still available in trade
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: from the Bengals, Cam Newton still available, Jamis Winston looking
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: for a job. And you know, for a while, I
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't sure whether it would be more teams than there
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: were quarterbacks, and more quarterbacks than there were teams. But
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: it's clear right now that there are more quarterbacks floating
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: around than there are starting jobs in the NFL. Mike,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: it happens quick. For the Jaguars just a few years ago,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, they're in the a s
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: C Championship Game, and I think currently there are three
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: defensive players that started in that game in New England
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that are still on the roster, including Unique and Gokway
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: who's tagged. We know the stories around him right now.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It happens quick in the NFL, and the rebuild is
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: on here in Jacksonville. Yeah, And I don't know that
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I would call it a rebuild per se. I think
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: these are things that the team needs to do to
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: have the cap space necessary to go with the nucleus
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: of young talent that they believe in. I'm not stunned
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: by any of the moves that have been made, and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I don't look at it and say it's tanking. Tanking
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is when you start tearing it down during the season.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: This is a deliberate attempt to make the team better,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to have cap space available to operate, to choose Gardner
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Minshew as the starting quarterback and give him a chance
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to move forward as the guy he's the possible Tom Brady,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the sixth round pick that fell into their laps that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: ended up getting thrust into action, not in his second
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: season like Brady, but week one of his rookie year.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And he's passed all the tests, and he's an exciting player,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and he he stimulates the fan base, and that's what
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you're looking for. And yeah, you want to also win.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: But I don't look at this because I've seen so
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: many people in the meteor like every every move that
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: gets made while they're tanking, while they're tanking, while they're tanking.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: No they're not. And we'll see if this is a
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: deliberate process that ultimately results in the team being better
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: than it was last year. Mike, great stuff, Thank you
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: for the for joining us on such short notice, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: stay safe there in West Virginia. We're all right, sure,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: thank you. Talking to Mike Floria Pro Football Talk. Always
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: a good visit with him at Pro Football Talk on Twitter.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Busy times around the National Football League. The Tom Brady
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: stuff could be coming down at any moment. Who knows.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Apparently the physical happening today in New York reportedly, and
• 44:01
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• 44:05
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• 44:08
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• 44:11
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• 44:15
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• 44:18
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  Speaker 1: are you a j P? Good to talk to you,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and Uh. In this world of self isolation, I guess
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  Speaker 1: we may be doing a little bit of this. I
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  Speaker 1: think this might be the lay of the land for
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  Speaker 1: a little while. It seems like logs, as unfortunate as
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  Speaker 1: we'll make it work. Will make it work. But boy,
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't slowed down the news out of the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: And I was talking to a couple of people that
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  Speaker 1: are just fans of the National Football League and they
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the distraction and that with today's day and age,
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  Speaker 1: I guess with all the news that comes out that's
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  Speaker 1: just so depressing. I guess that they said, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of nice there's no sports going on, but at least
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  Speaker 1: there's news in the National Football League where fans can
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: still follow their teams and UH, and still kind of
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I guess have a rooting interest, so to speak, even
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: though it's not a game at least it's a it's
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a rooting interest in their team. It is the start
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: of the league here. It is always hectic, but just
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: talking to Florio a moment ago from Pro Football Talk logs,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and it's, uh, this might be one of the most
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: notable openings of a league year that we remember outside
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: of the coronavirus and COVID nineteen and all that. Just
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the names involved here, I mean, Tom Brady is involved,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Philip Rivers going to the Colts. You've got um their
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: trading to the wide receiver from Houston to Arizona. I mean,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that's it's a lot of moving parts for the league
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: right now. Well, I mean, and I'm heck DeAndre Hopkins,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: who you're talking about going to the Cardinals, and then
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: most people criticize the Texans for what they got in return,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you know, because the Jaguars are are no strangers to
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: that category either. I mean Calais Campbell, a j Boyer,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: both those guys traded and and a fan favorite in
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Clay's Campbell. So it's been a it's been a lot
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of news and Tom Brady obviously is the headline of
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: all of that, and it's still I don't think it's
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: been announced that the deal is completed yet, but it's
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot different this year. I mean, nobody
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: ever expected to see Tom Brady in a different uniform,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: certainly not a Tampa Bay Buccaneers uniform. But then again,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: nobody expected to see Joe Namath in a different uniform
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: or whoever you want to talk about to finish their
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: career elsewhere. Nick Foles will go to a different uniform.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: He's gonna wear Chicago Bears uniform next year compensatory fourth
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: round pick. He was the league's most expensive free agent
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: lad year. Well, I think I think it goes well.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no doubt JP a most expensive free agent
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  Speaker 1: last year, but I think it goes to show that
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars made a mistake. But at the same token,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: when you make a mistake, it's worse if you just
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: keep admitting that you made a mistake and you don't
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  Speaker 1: address it. And so I give Dave called Well a
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  Speaker 1: lot of credit and Doug Moron a lot of credit
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  Speaker 1: for addressing the mistake of signing Nick Foles last year.
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  Speaker 1: But most importantly getting another draft pick. Who would have
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  Speaker 1: thought that you could have gotten a draft pick for
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  Speaker 1: Nick Foles with that expensive contract. I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: think that that's kind of crazy, especially when you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about a very quarterback rich market where you couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: your choice of other quarterbacks and you still garnered something
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  Speaker 1: for Nick Foles when he has a lot of guaranteed
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  Speaker 1: money left. I mean, kudos to Dave called Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: he's off the books after the start next year. UM
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  Speaker 1: eighteen point seven five of dead money this year. That's
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: a three million dollar savings and salary cap this year,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's off the books altogether. So great. You
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: can debate, and a lot of people criticize Doug Brown.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people criticized Dave called well, but look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this. If I ever need to
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  Speaker 1: sell something, I'm calling Caldwell. I'm gonna have him sell
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  Speaker 1: my house. If I'm gonna get a new car, I'm
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: gonna have him sell my whole car, because he's uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's getting he's getting a good price. Dave, do you
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  Speaker 1: have your real estate license? I'm just asking for a friend.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Jeff Lockman, this Jaguars analyst that joined us on the
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  Speaker 1: phone line on Jaguars Happy Hour. So the Jaguars agree
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  Speaker 1: to terms with linebacker Joe Schobert from the Cleveland Browns
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  Speaker 1: and he will be the middle linebacker. Miles Jack is
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  Speaker 1: moving outside. According to Doug Morone, what do you make
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  Speaker 1: of that deal, he's moving to the weak sidelogs. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't don't think anybody's surprises with the move of
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  Speaker 1: Miles Jack on the week's side, because look, the last
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  Speaker 1: two years shown that it took. It just wasn't working
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  Speaker 1: at a high level for Miles Jack at the mic position.
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  Speaker 1: And the reality is Joe Schoberg is a good football player.
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  Speaker 1: He's a natural. Mike Greg Williams, who was the defensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator and then for a short period of time the
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  Speaker 1: interim head coach with the Cleveland Browns, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: guy knows football. And Greg Williams is not one to
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: banny about with a lot of compliments with football players
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  Speaker 1: that he's coached, but he absolutely loves Joe Schoberg and
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: can never say enough good things about him. So I
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: think it's a it's a tremendous acquisition. Acquisition. I think
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  Speaker 1: it does a couple of things which allows you to
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  Speaker 1: get a good football player, good mittal linebacker, but then
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: also to move Miles Jack to the week's side position,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: which the week's hide position. You know, we all saw
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  Speaker 1: for many years Tellvin Smith played it, played it at
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  Speaker 1: a pretty high level, and it's a speed position, and
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  Speaker 1: and Miles Jack has beat And I think the challenge
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  Speaker 1: for Miles Jack is to take his next step and
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  Speaker 1: being a pro. I thought Miles Jack last year, somewhat
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  Speaker 1: the year before, played not in the greatest of shape
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  Speaker 1: and not at the greatest of weight. And I think
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  Speaker 1: he needs to dedicate himself and it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a challenging year to do that because who knows if
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you're going to have the organized team activities or team
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  Speaker 1: workouts to be able to do that type of thing
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  Speaker 1: in that environment. So he's got to take the challenge
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  Speaker 1: upon himself and get himself in the best shape possible
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  Speaker 1: to be able to accept the challenge of moving to
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  Speaker 1: the week side linebacker. Let me ask you this, Lugs,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and you may not have the answer, but I'm sure
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: you have an opinion. If the Telvin Smith news had
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: come out earlier in the off season that he was
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: stepping away from football or whatever, the real story is
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  Speaker 1: he's not around. If that happened in January right after
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the season, would Miles have moved to the week side
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  Speaker 1: last year? Too close? Was it too close to the
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  Speaker 1: offseason program in the season. I think, I think, I think,
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  Speaker 1: I think it would have been considered, you know. But
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  Speaker 1: but I also think that they also wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: if he could take that next step at the MIC position,
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  Speaker 1: because you can't expect the guy to step in first
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  Speaker 1: year replacing Paulpa's Lesnie and to be able to be
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: better than Paulpa's Lesnie. I mean, that's that's just unrealistic,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So I think it wanted to give him
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  Speaker 1: a chance at that position, regardless of, uh, the issue
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  Speaker 1: with Kelvin Smith or Kelvin Smith playing or not playing,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: you know, to give him an opportunity to take that
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  Speaker 1: next step, and and they obviously didn't take it. So
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: now it's going to go to where he's really I think,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: moving to his natural position. And uh, it also allows
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: him to not worry about trying to call the defense
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  Speaker 1: even though he's gonna be capable of that. And then
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: also a third down look of the reality it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: change on third down, so and I think also what
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: that does now it allows your other line actors to
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: develop at their pace. You know, last year Ed Williams
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: out there way too early, and you're talking about a
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: collegiate wow safety that was moved to linebacker, and you're
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: expecting him to come in and be a starting week
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  Speaker 1: side linebacker right out of the gate. I think that
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: was an unrealistic expectation. Now you can allow him to
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: just develop on his own time frame and be of
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: course special teamer. And look, if if he earns playtime
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: on defense, then so be it. If he doesn't, then
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. Jeff lockam with us. But you said the
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: key from Miles moving to the weeks side, He's gotta
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: be able to run. He's got to have that speedback
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: right well, all the all the linebackers in the Jaguar system.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I mean that's when the coaches talked to the scouting
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: department about what they need a linebacker, they tell him
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: they got to have speed. And because you're talking about
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: linebackers that have to run with a deep over and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: we're talking about keeping pace with a wide receiver. You know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: so pause Lesnie was was fast enough, but if he
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: was a stepper too slower, he wouldn't have been able
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to play in the Jaguars defense. I mean that's the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: type of speed that it's required to play in the
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Jaguars defense. Find a couple of minutes your logs with you.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: The other additions for the Jacksonville Jaguars da Quiz denard
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  Speaker 1: coming in cornerback from the Bengals, he'll compete it outside corner.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: And Rodney Gunter from the Cardinals. I can play the
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: big end and three technique to move them around up
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  Speaker 1: front and competeing and working that depth up front. Two
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  Speaker 1: other editions for the Jags your logs. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know much about Gunner. I mean, who knows about anybody
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  Speaker 1: to place for the Cardinals. I mean, I hate to
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: say that, but that's the reality because the Cardinals haven't
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: been very good. And uh so I've got a when
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I get a chance or when they allow people to
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: come into the stadium, I'm gonna have to watch some
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: some film on him to get a take. But denard
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Is is a good football player and he's gonna be
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a starter right away. And he's a physical corner that's
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: not a play afraid to play man. So I think
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: he's a nice addition. I don't know what the cost is.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the numbers on either one of the
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: two guys, but obviously in the second tier market, not
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the you know, the high high price guy, so you
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: know they should be affordable type players. Logs, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for the time today. Always gonna talk to you. We'll
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: try us again next week in this little different set up.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: But stay safe, you and the family stay safe this week,
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  Speaker 1: will you? Thank thank you, JP? And uh it's gonna
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: be a different world right at the minshew Mania full
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  Speaker 1: speed ahead. I guess it sounds like it is, Logs.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week, okay, JP, see buddy
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Log. Jaguars analysts joining us settle to it for
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour. Thanks to John Oshan, senior writer Jaguars
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: dot Com, Mike Florio for football talk at Jeff Log.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm JP shattered. We'll talk to you next week.
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