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Bengals Booth Podcast: See Clearly Now · Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 2: Now let's get to football. If you're a big Bengals fan,
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Speaker 2: you're probably familiar with Joe Goodberry. He's been cranking out
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Speaker 2: great Bengals content for more than a decade, and his
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Speaker 2: film breakdowns and player evaluations are exceptional. Joe is currently
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Speaker 2: part of the first Star Logistics media group and you
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Speaker 2: can find his Bengals on the Brain videos on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: He's also a great Twitter follow at Joe Goodbarry. We
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Speaker 2: spoke this week about what Joe calls the most important
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Speaker 2: off season in Bengals history. Joe, you've done some recent
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Speaker 2: videos on your YouTube channel where you did a free
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Speaker 2: agency simulation and a draft simulation. Your highest priced free
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Speaker 2: agent acquisition was an interior defensive lineman, Justin Mattabik of
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Speaker 2: the Ravens. Your top two draft picks were interior defensive
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Speaker 2: lineman Johnny Newton of Illinois in the first round and
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Speaker 2: mammoth to Andre Sweat of Texas in the second round.
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Speaker 2: So this would suggest did you consider upgrading the interior
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Speaker 2: defensive line to be a huge priority for the Bengals
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Speaker 2: this offseason. I do.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the most we can take from that
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Speaker 1: exercises that I really felt they wanted to or we
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Speaker 1: should add a defensive tackle or two or three to
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Speaker 1: that room. Yeah, I didn't plan on going so heavy
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Speaker 1: at defensive tackle. When I saw Justin Mattabakay was out
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Speaker 1: there that the Ravens did not tag him, and I
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Speaker 1: let it go a couple of days because I didn't
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Speaker 1: think the Bengals would. I tried to operate as the
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Speaker 1: Bengals there, but I didn't think they would throw huge
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Speaker 1: money at him, and when he was still there after
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Speaker 1: a week, similar to the Orlando Brown junior situation last year,
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Speaker 1: I said, Okay, let's run the simulation, let's throw some
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Speaker 1: money at him, and we got him and I today
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Speaker 1: I ran on ESPN two also that justin Matta Bikay,
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Speaker 1: they listed the best fit would be the Bengals, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, sign me up for that. That's
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Speaker 1: a guy that we loved pre draft as well in
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Speaker 1: our process and thought he'd be a future all Pro player,
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Speaker 1: and here he is on the cusp of stardom. I
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Speaker 1: think he's well worth that money. And then you get
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Speaker 1: to the draft. And that's the thing, like everyone wants
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Speaker 1: to either do the free agent simulators or they do
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Speaker 1: the draft simulators, and they don't put the two together.
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Speaker 1: So that was my idea. There's, hey, you've got to
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Speaker 1: do both. Here. One comes before the other for a
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Speaker 1: reason because it affects how you draft. And then I
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Speaker 1: get there, and I believe Johnny Newton is worth a
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Speaker 1: top ten pick in every draft. I think everything from
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Speaker 1: the film to the data to the projection of the
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Speaker 1: everything I look at for draft analysis has this guy
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Speaker 1: is an future All Pro type of player, And so
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Speaker 1: how do I deny that? How do I turn down
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Speaker 1: a guy like that? That was clearly the last one
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Speaker 1: I felt was the blue chip player remaining on the board.
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Speaker 1: And hey, so we go back to back defensive tackle
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Speaker 1: with our highest offseason resource and then come back in
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Speaker 1: round two and Tomordray Sweat is just a different guy
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Speaker 1: than those two. He has a nose tackle and a
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Speaker 1: big body and they need that. So yeah, that's how
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Speaker 1: it played out. And you know, I'm not ashamed to
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Speaker 1: say that they need defensive tackle and I feel that
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Speaker 1: and fixed it.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the free agency market at that position,
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Speaker 2: because there are some very familiar names. Obviously, Chris Jones
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Speaker 2: gets thrown out there. I don't see it. He's going
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Speaker 2: to be the highest paid defensive tackle in the league
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Speaker 2: probably when this is all said and done. But then
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Speaker 2: you see guys like Mattabique, Leonard Williams, Christian Wilkins, Sheldon Rankins,
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Speaker 2: there are others. Now by the time free agency rolls around,
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Speaker 2: maybe some of those guys aren't there anymore. But do
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Speaker 2: you favor spending a big chunk of your free agency
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Speaker 2: budget on a guy like that or would you prefer
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Speaker 2: multiple tier two tier three type guys.
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Speaker 1: I usually lean towards the multiple tier two, three and
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Speaker 1: even fours. In past years, it's worked for the Bengals.
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Speaker 1: They identified the correct players in the majority of time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there has been a Trey Wayne sprinkling in there.
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Speaker 1: But when you get at Chobo Luzia and a Mike
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Speaker 1: Hilton and a von Bell, I mean, it outweighs the
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Speaker 1: one miss you'll have swimming in the tier three range.
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Speaker 1: It's best to do that because if you go for
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Speaker 1: a big free agent and let's say he gets hurt.
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Speaker 1: You know, nobody wants that, but it happens, and you
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Speaker 1: have fifteen million dollars in cap space tied into that
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Speaker 1: player when you could have potentially three guys making that
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Speaker 1: money and being part of a rotation, and especially defensive tackle,
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Speaker 1: seems like it's a rotation heavy position throughout the league,
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Speaker 1: especially across the defensive line. I think defensive end is
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Speaker 1: one of the deepest groups in the league in terms
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Speaker 1: of talent, and you just see the best teams have
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Speaker 1: these full rotations across the front. Bengals really couldn't do
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Speaker 1: that last year. And here's the problem, though, is they
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Speaker 1: are missing. I'm kind of going to contradict myself just
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Speaker 1: a little bit. They're missing DJ Reader if he walks
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Speaker 1: right and that's their impact defensive tackle. Replacing that with
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Speaker 1: Tier three guys is probably not gonna work. You're not
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Speaker 1: gonna get the same level of play. We understand that
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Speaker 1: there are some things you have to accept when a big,
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Speaker 1: big name guy, big time player leaves your building. But
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Speaker 1: if you can get a top guy, if it fits
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Speaker 1: how the Bengals do contracts, if he wants to come here,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny it because I'm watching the
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Speaker 1: playoffs and what I came away with in the playoffs
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Speaker 1: this year was filling the roster around superstars. It Let
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Speaker 1: Chris Jones win on third down, right, let Travis Kelsey
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Speaker 1: win on third down on offense, and fill in the
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Speaker 1: rest the rest. It matters, But does it matter as
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Speaker 1: much as the guys that are going to make a
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Speaker 1: play for you when your team absolutely needs it. And
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Speaker 1: if that means Christian Wilkins Justin Metabike are those guys,
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Speaker 1: then you do it and you figure out the rest afterwards.
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Speaker 2: Joe Goodbarry is our guest. The draft gurus say this
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Speaker 2: is a great year. If you're trying to draft an
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Speaker 2: offensive tackle. Pro Football Focus has nine tackles in their
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Speaker 2: top thirty one players, so potentially nine guys I guess
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Speaker 2: that could go in the first round. Would you use
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Speaker 2: the eighteenth pick on the draft to replace Jonah Williams
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Speaker 2: at right tackle?
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Speaker 1: I think that should be goal number one is to
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Speaker 1: not just replace Jonah? Could you have to do that?
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Speaker 1: He's the you know, he's been the mainstay now since
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl season. He's been a He's had his issues.
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Speaker 1: He probably never grew into the guy some hoped he
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Speaker 1: would be in the first round. And that's you know,
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Speaker 1: here we are back in that situation of saying, Okay,
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Speaker 1: what can we learn from that? What can we learn
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Speaker 1: from the past misses on the offensive line? When we're
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Speaker 1: picking eighteen and if there's a guy there, and to me,
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Speaker 1: this class really helps you get over the hangover by
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Speaker 1: providing everything you need in one cocktail with all of
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Speaker 1: these guys. I mean, most of these guys have great size,
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Speaker 1: great length, great mass to them. Three hundred and thirty
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Speaker 1: to three hundred and forty five pounds. For some of
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Speaker 1: these guys like J. C. Latham and Tellyfuaga out of
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Speaker 1: Oregon State, and if they test well, because they think
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Speaker 1: That's the other part that when the Bengals have missed
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Speaker 1: in the draft, it's been guys that either haven't tested
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Speaker 1: at some point and all the data says that this
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Speaker 1: is very predictive for offensive lineman. You have to be
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Speaker 1: a great athlete because you're blocking the Chris Jones, you're
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Speaker 1: blocking the TJ. Watt and Miles Garrett. These guys are freaks.
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Speaker 1: You need freak offensive linemen. So when they've drafted Billy Price,
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Speaker 1: Cedric o'boy he, Jackson Carmen, none of them tested before
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Speaker 1: the Combine, you can say, yeah, rely on the tape
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Speaker 1: and see if they're athletes. But the tape lies. It
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Speaker 1: lies to everyone. It's why teams miss, It's why we
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Speaker 1: all miss on evaluating talent and players use the data
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Speaker 1: to help you. There should be a guy that tests
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Speaker 1: well enough at that at that pick at eighteen, that
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Speaker 1: has the size and length that would be something Jonah
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Speaker 1: Williams never really had and I think that's what he
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Speaker 1: struggled with the most. So yes, if you can, I
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Speaker 1: believe the way to get the best offensive lineman, and
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Speaker 1: it's not just a personal belief. It's proven. You have
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Speaker 1: to draft these guys in the first round. It's where
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Speaker 1: they come from. They go in the top twenty. If
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Speaker 1: you're sitting there and a guy's there that you believe
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Speaker 1: is a starting tackle in this league, it take them
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Speaker 1: because you can't find them elsewhere unless you're going to
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Speaker 1: overpay in free agency. Because even how I describe Joana Williams,
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Speaker 1: there's projections. I say he's gonna get fifteen million dollars
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Speaker 1: in free agency. I mean think about that. That's average
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Speaker 1: play fifteen million. It's a huge chunk. And I don't
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Speaker 1: think the Bengals can swallow that right now with the
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Speaker 1: way they're built. So it aligns with drafting one in
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Speaker 1: the first round.
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Speaker 2: Let's say that they don't. Let's say that there's a
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Speaker 2: player that they love at eighteen, they feel like this
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Speaker 2: is the guy that's got the highest ceiling, whether it's
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Speaker 2: brock powers or a defensive tackle, whatever, and they take
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Speaker 2: that guy. Are there free agents out there that you
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Speaker 2: like as a starting right tackle that again would be
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Speaker 2: probably in that tier two tier three range.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think they're all tier three. To be
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Speaker 1: honest with you, I have Michael and when you we
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Speaker 1: do a grading scale every year where it's other guys,
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Speaker 1: other content creators that say, Okay, what do you think
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Speaker 1: this free agent is? And I put a two point
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Speaker 1: five on Michael And when you the tackle guard from
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Speaker 1: the Patriots, I think he's probably the best free agent
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Speaker 1: tackle out there. But teams may see him as a guard.
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Speaker 1: Many did coming out of the draft. He's barely six ' four,
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Speaker 1: good size, three thirty plus. I mean more than that
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Speaker 1: probably now, but whenever you see that height, teams like
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Speaker 1: to kick those guys inside. And I think he's played
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Speaker 1: better as a guard as well. He's actually taking more
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Speaker 1: snaps that guard than he has tackle in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: So I could see teams just saying, now he's a guard,
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Speaker 1: not really a tackle. But if he is, and if
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Speaker 1: he is for your team, I think he's the best
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Speaker 1: one available. I put a three on Jonah Williams. I
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Speaker 1: put a three on Jermaine illuminor the right tackle from
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Speaker 1: the Raiders, who will be twenty nine point eight years
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Speaker 1: old on kick off a week one of the season.
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Speaker 1: That makes it a little bit tough. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what the Bengals like to swim in those waters of
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Speaker 1: the twenty nine thirty thirty one range when they go
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Speaker 1: for free agents, but offensive line is a different breed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to go for these guys. You
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Speaker 1: can't get everything in free agency. I think he's a
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Speaker 1: baseline level starting tackle. Do I think he's better in Jonah?
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Speaker 1: Not really sure, but if I can pay him half
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Speaker 1: the money, I think that's a value there. And then
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Speaker 1: it comes down to the last guy to me is
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Speaker 1: Trent Brown, the other tackle for the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 1: Again very similar to Orlando Brown. Massive guy doesn't move
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Speaker 1: as well anymore. There's been times where he hasn't been
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Speaker 1: able to practice because he's dealing with different issues. He's
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Speaker 1: left to Patriots before and did not find success. You
11:52
Speaker 1: always got to be weary of that when a guy
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Speaker 1: is better in one system or in one environment and
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Speaker 1: can't replicate it elsewhere. So I don't know what kind
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Speaker 1: of deal he's going to get, but I think he's
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Speaker 1: probably the last average to above average starter that's available
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Speaker 1: in this class. So it's bleak. You may come away
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Speaker 1: with a spot starter or a patch job Riley Reef
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Speaker 1: type of signing and say, hey, that doesn't preclude us
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Speaker 1: from drafting a guy at eighteen, even if it's Jermaine
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Speaker 1: Luminor at seven and a half million dollars a year,
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Speaker 1: which he's projected to get. That doesn't stop you from
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Speaker 1: drafting a stud at eighteen. And maybe you say, hey,
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Speaker 1: we have a battle now at right tackle or a
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Speaker 1: battle at left guard, and we let that guy play
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Speaker 1: it for his rookie year at that's at one of
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Speaker 1: those two spots. If he can win one and get
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Speaker 1: him his experience and his feet wet as a rookie
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Speaker 1: and move on, and you have the five best offensive
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Speaker 1: line him to play, which isn't something they've had the
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Speaker 1: luxury of doing for a while.
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Speaker 2: So, Joe, many Bengals fans, as you know, have locked
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Speaker 2: in on Georgia tight end brock Bauers as their dream
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Speaker 2: draft pick. If he's there, do you think he will be?
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Speaker 2: And if he is, does it become a no brainer?
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Speaker 1: Tough questions for sure, because I think just profile wise,
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Speaker 1: brock ours is the best Titan we've seen since we've
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Speaker 1: been using data and using everything at our disposal, and
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Speaker 1: his production scores are insane. He did it at a
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Speaker 1: young age. He did it in a great conference and
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Speaker 1: in the biggest games. Having said that, I do think
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Speaker 1: he's going to measure smaller than what people expect me.
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Speaker 1: I think a couple of years ago people were like,
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Speaker 1: this is the next Gronk, and then you see that
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Speaker 1: picture at the combine You're like, yeah, he's not Gronk.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Gronk's a full grown man next to him,
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Speaker 1: and Owers is still young, so he can develop and
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Speaker 1: fill out and he will. But he looks and he's
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Speaker 1: listed at six four, two forty, which is interesting because
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Speaker 1: that's definitely not Gronk at six six to sixty five, right,
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Speaker 1: But he may be under six four, and he may
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Speaker 1: be two thirty five, and let's hope not. Let's hope
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Speaker 1: he's he's a little bit bigger than that. But if
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Speaker 1: he does, that's going to hurt some teams and how
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Speaker 1: they evaluate it and say, is he worth a top
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Speaker 1: ten pick? And I expect him to test really, really well,
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Speaker 1: so maybe that'll balance everything out. But to me, a
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Speaker 1: lot of times when I'm watching, I'm like, that's a
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Speaker 1: big slot receiver. That's Travis Kelce. That's a move type
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Speaker 1: tight end, so it's not your traditional y tight end
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Speaker 1: that's on the line, and I'm gonna do a lot
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Speaker 1: of the dirty work. Remember they paired Darnel Washington with
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Speaker 1: Brock Bowers at Georgia and that was the polar opposite
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Speaker 1: in terms of size and blocking and power. And they
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Speaker 1: use Darnell Washington to do that and they use brock
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Speaker 1: Bowers more as the big slot moved tight end. But
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, I think if that's not good enough
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Speaker 1: for the top teams, once it gets to the Bengals,
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Speaker 1: that may be perfect for them because the Bengals are
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Speaker 1: probably losing Tyler Boyd this offseason. They probably have t
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Speaker 1: Higgins for one more year on a franchise tag. They
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Speaker 1: need that third option this year that can grow into
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Speaker 1: a number two option. And this is gonna come after
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Speaker 1: the free agency. So the way we started this conversation,
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Speaker 1: the Bengals are probably going to sign a veteran free agent.
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Speaker 1: They have how many years in a row now at
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Speaker 1: tight end and maybe that's just Drew Sample and Tanner Hudson.
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Speaker 1: But what you get in Brock Bowers is something that
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Speaker 1: those guys can't do as expected if you're going to
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Speaker 1: spend a top pick. And I think the next question
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Speaker 1: people have is are there enough targets and would they
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Speaker 1: use them correctly, because we haven't really seen that too
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Speaker 1: much out of time end, and we're talking replacing Tyler
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Speaker 1: Boyd as a slot guy and getting some of the
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Speaker 1: tight end targets. Bengals a one hundred and fifteen targets
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Speaker 1: at tight end last year, they had ninety eight to
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Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd. So let's just say two hundred, and let's
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Speaker 1: say andre Yosubash and Charlie Jones are going to elevate
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Speaker 1: in year two and get a chunk of that, so
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Speaker 1: maybe sixty targets go to them. We're still at one
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Speaker 1: forty and say we still want to give some to
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Speaker 1: Sample and Tanner Hudson. I think we can easily get
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Speaker 1: to ninety targets left for brock Bowers as the number
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Speaker 1: three option, very similar to where Boyd was the last
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Speaker 1: few years. And I think that's completely worth it. And
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Speaker 1: what he could develop into is maybe your number two guy. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm for it. And I think that's the scenario where
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Speaker 1: you set you kind of hinted to it earlier, where
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Speaker 1: it's you know what, we think this is the best
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Speaker 1: upside guy. We think this is the difference maker. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we know we need this, this and that, but this
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Speaker 1: guy in a couple of years or even in a year,
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Speaker 1: may be the difference maker on offense that helps us
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Speaker 1: survive losing some of these receivers.
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Speaker 2: You did a Bengals on the Brain video study of
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Speaker 2: Brock Bowers on one of your YouTube videos sponsored by
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Speaker 2: First Star Logistics. I was surprised when I watched that
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Speaker 2: how well he blocked, because we've all seen the receiving
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Speaker 2: highlights and the speed and the yards after catch, but
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Speaker 2: you had a lot of clips where he really handled
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Speaker 2: his guy as a blocker.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a lot of credit to the way
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Speaker 1: Georgia used him, making sure that he can be on
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Speaker 1: motion coming back across, coming in from the slot and
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Speaker 1: clipping a defensive end, allowing him to climb up and
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Speaker 1: get a linebacker where he's not going to be out
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Speaker 1: matched in terms of size and strength. So I think
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Speaker 1: that is a blueprint to the role you would use him.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he's fine. He is for what
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Speaker 1: you're going to ask him to do, he will get
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Speaker 1: the job done. And to be honest with you, the
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Speaker 1: Bengals don't even have that role. If they bring back
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Speaker 1: Drew Sample, that's your Twoerned sixty pounds y blocker that
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Speaker 1: can get on the line. But when they wanted to
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Speaker 1: go to Wilcox and Tanner Hudson in twelve personnel and
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Speaker 1: use those guys as the flex tight end and get
16:52
Speaker 1: them blocking, they neither were good enough in my opinion,
16:54
Speaker 1: And I think Flowers would be an extreme upgrade even
16:58
Speaker 1: as a blocker in that role. And then you hint
17:01
Speaker 1: it to it, I wanted to make sure we get it.
17:02
Speaker 1: Yet his run after the catch was what makes him
17:05
Speaker 1: the best tight end prospect in a long time, because
17:08
Speaker 1: his numbers there are ninety ninth ninety eighth percentile across
17:11
Speaker 1: the board for after the catch and making guys miss,
17:14
Speaker 1: and the Bengals don't have one of those guys either,
17:16
Speaker 1: other than Jamar Chase. It seems like the only guy
17:17
Speaker 1: that can give screens to and run the RPOs too
17:21
Speaker 1: and give them the jet sweeps, it's Chase. It's hard
17:23
Speaker 1: to continue to do that because defenses seems so hyper
17:25
Speaker 1: focused on it. Bowers gives you another guy to give
17:28
Speaker 1: you a little bit after the catch.
17:30
Speaker 2: So brock Powers is going to continue to be the
17:33
Speaker 2: dream pick for many Bengals fans. After listening to this
17:36
Speaker 2: let's talk about t Higgins. You alluded to it. I
17:38
Speaker 2: think most people, myself included, expect the Bengals to franchise
17:42
Speaker 2: Tag Tea for this year and then eventually extend Jamar
17:47
Speaker 2: Chase and lose T as a free agent. What would
17:50
Speaker 2: you do and why?
17:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard because the tag makes a lot of sense,
17:56
Speaker 1: and the way that he's coming off of probably his
17:59
Speaker 1: worst career, dealing with injuries, dealing with quarterback turmoil, you know,
18:04
Speaker 1: and that was going to kill anyone's numbers. I think
18:06
Speaker 1: even when even as way the way that Jake Browning
18:09
Speaker 1: did play in the second half, it still has an impact.
18:12
Speaker 1: But I think you want to keep him and keep
18:15
Speaker 1: the band together as best as possible. That means if
18:19
Speaker 1: they have to tag him because we don't expect an
18:21
Speaker 1: extension to happen for whatever reason, right, I think it's
18:24
Speaker 1: guaranteed money and and the Bengals don't typically swim in
18:28
Speaker 1: those waters and go too deep in them, so I
18:30
Speaker 1: think that'll probably be the impass where a deal doesn't
18:32
Speaker 1: get done, because the best option would be getting a
18:36
Speaker 1: deal done and lowering that cap hit from the what
18:38
Speaker 1: is going to be the franchise tag just under twenty
18:40
Speaker 1: two million dollars and lowering it to ten million even
18:43
Speaker 1: if you can, and a lot of teams would that
18:45
Speaker 1: are going to extend T. Jiggins they want, they would
18:47
Speaker 1: push off those big capts the future years. It would
18:50
Speaker 1: provide you some relief. That could be the difference between
18:52
Speaker 1: signing a starting defensive tackle or not. So the most
18:57
Speaker 1: flexibility would be to extend him. But then you get
18:59
Speaker 1: into a few years where it's should we pay thirty
19:02
Speaker 1: five percent of our cap to three players? Meaning Joe Burrow,
19:06
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and T Higgins When the Bengals went to
19:08
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Those guys were cheap, right, It's not
19:10
Speaker 1: really I even said run it back with these three,
19:12
Speaker 1: But is it running it back when those guys cost
19:15
Speaker 1: four times as much? Not really, because now you need
19:18
Speaker 1: to fill in. You need to have another Burrow, Chase
19:21
Speaker 1: and Higgins on rookie deals at other positions. So you
19:24
Speaker 1: need to nail or hope that Dax Hill and Miles
19:27
Speaker 1: Murphy and maybe it's brock Hoers this year Johnny Newton.
19:30
Speaker 1: Are those impact players for cheap and that's what gets
19:33
Speaker 1: you back over the hump and replaces the value that
19:36
Speaker 1: you're losing by extending the Burrow, the Chase and the Higgins.
19:39
Speaker 1: What you have to do and you want to do,
19:41
Speaker 1: and you hate when you see these guys walk after
19:43
Speaker 1: four or five years, the Jesse Bates or even I mean,
19:47
Speaker 1: I'm watching a free agent talk and Kevin Zeitler is
19:50
Speaker 1: still playing and still playing at a high level, and
19:52
Speaker 1: it still burns that you couldn't find a way to
19:55
Speaker 1: keep a guy that should have been a ten year
19:56
Speaker 1: player for you. And let's fill in the rest, keep
19:59
Speaker 1: your good players, fill in the rest, figure it out.
20:02
Speaker 1: Draft well, because you have to draft well anyway once
20:05
Speaker 1: you start. I mean you have to draft well no
20:06
Speaker 1: matter what your what spot on the timeline you're on.
20:09
Speaker 1: But once you pay that quarterback big money, it is
20:12
Speaker 1: the single most important thing you can do for your
20:14
Speaker 1: franchise is to draft and find cheap talent. And I
20:17
Speaker 1: don't think the Chiefs, even without the draft class they
20:20
Speaker 1: had a couple of years ago, get back to the
20:21
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and win it two years in a row
20:23
Speaker 1: without those classes, and it just shows you how important
20:26
Speaker 1: it is. So you know, I'm down for whatever it is,
20:29
Speaker 1: whether that's tagging trade get more picks, which I don't
20:31
Speaker 1: think is a realistic option either. I just don't think
20:34
Speaker 1: teams will value or match the value the Bengals half
20:37
Speaker 1: for Tea. I think the Bengals love t and see
20:38
Speaker 1: them as a true wide receiver, one which would demand
20:41
Speaker 1: a first round pick and a strong wide receiver class.
20:44
Speaker 1: I don't see that ever matching up and happening. But yes,
20:48
Speaker 1: I think that they're either option. There are hurdles to it,
20:51
Speaker 1: and you've got to get creative with the rest of
20:53
Speaker 1: your cap space.
20:55
Speaker 2: Joe Goodbarry is our guest. You can follow him on
20:57
Speaker 2: x at Joe Goodberry. In your free agent simulation, you
21:02
Speaker 2: cut Joe Mixon and you cut Nick Scott for cap room.
21:06
Speaker 2: I think everybody could understand why they would let Nick
21:08
Speaker 2: Scott go, But there's more of a debate on Joe. Obviously,
21:11
Speaker 2: he was still productive last year with more than fourteen
21:13
Speaker 2: hundred total offensive yards. Give us your rationale for cutting
21:17
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon.
21:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, it largely comes down to when that new deal
21:23
Speaker 1: happened last year, and talking to people when it happened,
21:26
Speaker 1: it felt like from what I was told that this
21:29
Speaker 1: would be a one year thing unless he does Unless
21:31
Speaker 1: he performs really well in that contract as a value
21:34
Speaker 1: in year two, and he may have. That's the thing.
21:36
Speaker 1: So like I'm kind of debating, like what do they think.
21:38
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. Is he going to get cut?
21:40
Speaker 1: He has a roster bonus of three million and twenty
21:42
Speaker 1: eight dollars a few days after the league year starts,
21:46
Speaker 1: and that'll probably be our indicator if they in the
21:50
Speaker 1: right away in the tampering period, and then those three
21:53
Speaker 1: days if they are talking the running backs, free agent
21:56
Speaker 1: running backs, if they sign a free agent running back,
21:58
Speaker 1: well then the writing is on the wall and they
22:00
Speaker 1: don't want to pay that three million because if you
22:03
Speaker 1: do pay that signing bonus or that roster bonus of
22:06
Speaker 1: three million, it pretty much locks him on the roster.
22:09
Speaker 1: You're not gonna pay a guy that and then cut
22:10
Speaker 1: him two three months later. It doesn't make any sense.
22:12
Speaker 1: Teams don't do that, so they make those decisions at
22:15
Speaker 1: that point. And so I don't think, well, I think
22:18
Speaker 1: it could happen because of that. I don't think the
22:21
Speaker 1: savings is as big as some people that really want
22:23
Speaker 1: to cut Joe Mixon. You get five and a half million,
22:27
Speaker 1: but are you gonna spend three and a half on
22:28
Speaker 1: a Devin Singletary or whoever it may be, insert any
22:31
Speaker 1: running back. Then you're really only saving two million. Is
22:34
Speaker 1: it worth it? I mean, you got a guy that
22:35
Speaker 1: is consistent that the locker room loves. That is a
22:38
Speaker 1: power runner that you don't have on the roster right
22:40
Speaker 1: now that if you need it to give it to
22:42
Speaker 1: him thirty times, he can handle it. And also he
22:45
Speaker 1: never fumbles. So there are traits that I want in
22:48
Speaker 1: the next running back or with Joe Mixon, I want
22:51
Speaker 1: a guy like that in the backfield. I just wonder
22:53
Speaker 1: if you can find that production from an AJ Dillon
22:56
Speaker 1: right that's two hundred and twenty five, two hundred and
22:58
Speaker 1: thirty pounds with thighs like tree trunks, and give them
23:02
Speaker 1: one and a half two and a half million dollars
23:04
Speaker 1: and save a lot of money. And you take that
23:05
Speaker 1: money and you put it towards the tight end, you
23:07
Speaker 1: put it towards a right tackle, or you put it
23:09
Speaker 1: towards the defensive tackle. And is that money better spent?
23:13
Speaker 1: All of the numbers and all the advanced analytics just
23:17
Speaker 1: say running back is replaceable, and spending any money there
23:20
Speaker 1: is probably not the wisest decision.
23:22
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon was a second round pick. Jeremy Hill was
23:25
Speaker 2: the second round pick. Giovanni Bernard was a second round
23:29
Speaker 2: pick going way back Corey Dillon. Perhaps the greatest running
23:32
Speaker 2: back they've ever had was a second round pick. So
23:35
Speaker 2: historically that's been the sweet spot for the Bengals to
23:39
Speaker 2: find running backs that have been the running back for
23:41
Speaker 2: several years in a row. Do you think that still
23:44
Speaker 2: applies or if we hit a point now in the
23:46
Speaker 2: NFL where you'll find them in the third round or
23:49
Speaker 2: fourth round, or in Isaiah Paiceko's case, the seventh round.
23:53
Speaker 1: You can find those guys late. But the data doesn't
23:56
Speaker 1: go that far. It says you still need to prioritize it.
23:59
Speaker 1: It's just a down a rung from the other position.
24:01
Speaker 1: So second and third round are still the sweet spots
24:04
Speaker 1: for that position with the largest hit rate. And if
24:07
Speaker 1: you're looking for an impact runner, which I think you do,
24:09
Speaker 1: you don't want to just put anyone back there and say,
24:11
Speaker 1: hey we're getting three point eight yards per carry, hooray. No,
24:14
Speaker 1: you're looking for more. You want the explosive runs. You
24:16
Speaker 1: want the guy that can run some routes from the
24:18
Speaker 1: backfield and be a difference maker, whether that's with his speed,
24:21
Speaker 1: with his pass catching, even past blocking. They could use
24:24
Speaker 1: a guy that even specializes in that. And in my
24:27
Speaker 1: off season mock, I ended up taking a running back
24:29
Speaker 1: in the third round because I do think if you
24:31
Speaker 1: cut mixing even signing a low end guy and then
24:35
Speaker 1: and I took Deonta Foreman, same draft classes, mixing actually,
24:38
Speaker 1: but you know you get them for a million and
24:39
Speaker 1: a half to be your power runner beer number three runner.
24:43
Speaker 1: You turn around and draft a guy in the second
24:45
Speaker 1: or third round, and I think the Bengals would focus
24:47
Speaker 1: on that. They value running back, they always have. They
24:50
Speaker 1: draft them, even the guys that don't work out Kenny
24:52
Speaker 1: Irons right, Chris Perry in the first round. They value
24:55
Speaker 1: running back. They see that the guy is going to
24:57
Speaker 1: touch the ball second most on offense, and they want
24:59
Speaker 1: to trust that guy to be if you have to
25:02
Speaker 1: lean on him and he has to carry you for
25:03
Speaker 1: a game or two, they want to do that. And
25:05
Speaker 1: I think this class, while it's much weaker than last year,
25:08
Speaker 1: I think Chase Brown probably goes. He probably gets second
25:11
Speaker 1: third round talk which is where we had him graded
25:13
Speaker 1: last year anyways in our process, but he would be
25:16
Speaker 1: in the top five or six in this class. In
25:19
Speaker 1: this class is a little bit weaker, but there are
25:20
Speaker 1: good players on Day two, and I think the Bengals
25:23
Speaker 1: would prioritize it should it be.
25:25
Speaker 2: Awougie is a free agent. The Bengals have Cam Taylor, Bread,
25:29
Speaker 2: DJ Turner, and Mike Hilton. They are obviously going to
25:31
Speaker 2: need a corner that's capable of starting. Is there anybody
25:36
Speaker 2: out there that you like in free agency?
25:39
Speaker 1: Sure? I mean it's a if you want to go
25:41
Speaker 1: for the defences, with a Jalen Johnson swing for the
25:44
Speaker 1: fences or a lagarious need. I don't think that's where
25:47
Speaker 1: they want to play. I think there are some positions
25:49
Speaker 1: that they have to say, hey, we're going to go
25:51
Speaker 1: with value here, and I think one of them was
25:53
Speaker 1: safety last year. I think this year could be corner.
25:56
Speaker 1: You have one more year with Mike Hilton on a
25:57
Speaker 1: big deal, and it's not even it's been a value.
26:00
Speaker 1: It's been actually a great signing for them. But in
26:02
Speaker 1: a year you could potentially have three cheap players at
26:06
Speaker 1: those positions and cheap safeties, and I think that's part
26:10
Speaker 1: of the pie that you have to slice up if
26:12
Speaker 1: you're gonna go heavy at wide receiver. They had the
26:15
Speaker 1: fifth most expensive OAL lines and D lines last year.
26:18
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that, then you have to go
26:20
Speaker 1: cheap at some positions, and they've decided to tight end
26:22
Speaker 1: safety and potentially cornered. I do think they would want
26:25
Speaker 1: to bring in a fourth guy that can start. I
26:28
Speaker 1: don't think it's a guy that has to start. I
26:30
Speaker 1: think it's like, Okay, if Turner isn't capable of being
26:35
Speaker 1: a every play guy or an every game guy, or
26:37
Speaker 1: doesn't take a step in year two, or Cam Taylor
26:39
Speaker 1: Britt deals with injuries in year three, again, we need
26:42
Speaker 1: a guy that can step into that role. And I
26:43
Speaker 1: think every team wants that. So I do think there
26:46
Speaker 1: is some a little bit of piece of the pie
26:48
Speaker 1: that they could slice off there and retain for that
26:50
Speaker 1: fourth guy that's a veteran, and maybe it's we're talking
26:53
Speaker 1: four million dollars a year for a Dane Jackson from Buffalo.
26:55
Speaker 1: That's what I did in the simulation, and I think
26:57
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense to play all three
26:59
Speaker 1: positions and can start for you as needed. Or I
27:02
Speaker 1: do think because they've always drafted corners and always find
27:05
Speaker 1: a way to see a guy's of value at some spot.
27:09
Speaker 1: I do think there is a potential there that they
27:11
Speaker 1: draft a corner and whether that's third, fourth, fifth round
27:14
Speaker 1: that can come in and potentially be your backup guy.
27:17
Speaker 1: And because you know, I probably didn't think this way
27:19
Speaker 1: until dj Ivy in that last game got hurt, where
27:21
Speaker 1: it was like, man, that's a bummer. You may not
27:23
Speaker 1: see that guy to the end of camp or even
27:24
Speaker 1: into the season because of how late that injury happened.
27:27
Speaker 1: But he looked like he could have been developing into
27:29
Speaker 1: that corner four. And now they've got some questions there
27:32
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to address it, Joe.
27:34
Speaker 2: The Bengals made some coaching changes in the offseason. Dan
27:37
Speaker 2: Pitcher has been promoted from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator.
27:41
Speaker 2: Brad Craig thorpe replaces him as the quarterbacks coach. They've
27:44
Speaker 2: also brought in Justin Rescatti for a new spot, the
27:49
Speaker 2: past game coordinator. What if anything, do you infer from
27:54
Speaker 2: the Bengals adding somebody with that title.
27:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fun. Number One. I've noticed this
27:59
Speaker 1: around the league, Like I've how many teams are saying
28:02
Speaker 1: this is a pass game coordinator and I go click
28:04
Speaker 1: on him. It's a defensive guy. Wait, this is the
28:06
Speaker 1: thing on defense. This is a run game coordinator. This
28:08
Speaker 1: is an outside linebacker pass RUSS coach. So we're seeing
28:12
Speaker 1: it on the offensive side as well. We've seen run
28:14
Speaker 1: game coordinator. Frank Pollack's been that for a few years now,
28:16
Speaker 1: and now we're getting a pass game coordinator. What I'm
28:19
Speaker 1: inferring from that is what they lost with Brian Callahan.
28:23
Speaker 1: They felt that he can replace it, and the Bengals
28:26
Speaker 1: break down there and there's a lot of questions always,
28:28
Speaker 1: so if Zach Taylor calls plays, what does the coordinator
28:30
Speaker 1: actually do? Well, he's the manager of everyone that takes
28:33
Speaker 1: part in designing, building and running this offense, right, So
28:36
Speaker 1: that was Brian Callahan, But also the Bengals divvy up
28:39
Speaker 1: responsibilities within their coaches, like Troy Walters does red zone,
28:43
Speaker 1: red zone packages and concepts and make sure everyone on
28:45
Speaker 1: the offense knows what they're doing there. Dan Pitcher was
28:48
Speaker 1: doing third downs, so you know they divided up that way.
28:51
Speaker 1: We have Frank Pollack is the run game o line,
28:53
Speaker 1: but Brian Callahan also had blitz pickups and protections. And
28:57
Speaker 1: we got a guy here that was a former quarterback
28:59
Speaker 1: in Rascotti that also coached offensive line, and I'm like, yeah,
29:02
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Now we're talking, and he's got a
29:04
Speaker 1: video when he was with the Broncos that I watched.
29:06
Speaker 1: It was protection. Six man protection, so keeping a tight
29:09
Speaker 1: end and keeping a running back in things the Bengals
29:12
Speaker 1: didn't do often with Burrow. They like to go five wide,
29:14
Speaker 1: spread it out and just say these are our five.
29:16
Speaker 1: Let's see what the defense is doing, and let's let's
29:18
Speaker 1: pick up the blitzer, pick up the pass rush accordingly.
29:22
Speaker 1: But then when they had Browning in there, and you
29:23
Speaker 1: see the way the game is changing anyways, when the
29:25
Speaker 1: league is changing, more blockers, keeping everything condensed in trying
29:29
Speaker 1: to confuse the defense rather than make him declare who's
29:32
Speaker 1: coming and going, which Burrow seems to like. But you
29:34
Speaker 1: may want to absorb more six and seven man protections.
29:38
Speaker 1: We saw when Browning was in there, and it worked
29:40
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. I think that's going to
29:42
Speaker 1: be a next step for this offense. And you're coming
29:45
Speaker 1: from a Vikings offense that's heavy on play action, heavy
29:48
Speaker 1: on moving your number one ride receiver around and force
29:50
Speaker 1: feeding him targets. I think you could absorb some of
29:52
Speaker 1: that as well, so it makes a lot of sense
29:56
Speaker 1: from we need to replace what we lost in Kalahan,
29:58
Speaker 1: but also what can this guy I bring to the
30:00
Speaker 1: table to help the evolution of this offense?
30:04
Speaker 2: Following up on that, from some of those things that
30:06
Speaker 2: you just alluded to, from a scheme standpoint, what do
30:10
Speaker 2: you think is the greatest need? More play action, more
30:14
Speaker 2: under center snaps, more multiple tight ends. Is there something
30:18
Speaker 2: specific that you would most like to see?
30:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that sounds great, to be honest, with you,
30:23
Speaker 1: being more multiple, being more versatile, being able to go
30:27
Speaker 1: into twelve personnel more often with two tight ends, not
30:31
Speaker 1: living in three wide receivers consistently. I understand that's what
30:35
Speaker 1: they're best at. But because you had Higgins and Boyd,
30:38
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you that number two tight end
30:40
Speaker 1: has to be better than Boyd in order to get
30:41
Speaker 1: on the field right or else You're doing yourself a
30:43
Speaker 1: disservice in many ways. But I would like to see
30:47
Speaker 1: so a few things here. I'd like to see speed,
30:49
Speaker 1: elusiveness at running back, but I'd like to see more
30:51
Speaker 1: speed at the receiver and tight end position as well.
30:54
Speaker 1: Can I get guys that can run after the catch?
30:55
Speaker 1: Can I run more bubble screens with other guys. Maybe
30:58
Speaker 1: that's Charlie Jones add some of that with his punt returnability.
31:01
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a brock Bowers at tight end that can
31:03
Speaker 1: do these things. But I do think they need to
31:06
Speaker 1: get more dynamic playmakers with the ball in their hands.
31:09
Speaker 1: The Bengals Jake Browning and Joe Burrow last year were
31:12
Speaker 1: the lowest depth of target so yards per attempt in
31:15
Speaker 1: the league in terms of where the ball is being targeted.
31:18
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is low there. So that's really an indication
31:20
Speaker 1: of what defenses are doing to you to really put
31:23
Speaker 1: a cap on your offense. So you have to work
31:25
Speaker 1: from underneath and get guys that can make plays after
31:28
Speaker 1: the catch. I think it's a big need for them.
31:30
Speaker 1: But also then you bring it in and condense things
31:33
Speaker 1: and run more play actions and try to create explosive
31:36
Speaker 1: shot plays that are designed to hey, this is our time,
31:40
Speaker 1: this we're at the fifty, it's first down, it's second
31:42
Speaker 1: in short, whatever it is, let's take a shot now,
31:44
Speaker 1: let's call it, let's run it now. And they didn't
31:47
Speaker 1: end up in a lot of those scenarios where they
31:49
Speaker 1: could do it, especially when Burrow couldn't go under center.
31:51
Speaker 1: It felt like when we got to that Arizona game
31:54
Speaker 1: and then the forty nine er game, it was like, Yeah,
31:56
Speaker 1: this is now we can see him start to do
31:58
Speaker 1: some of these things they always wanted to before we
32:00
Speaker 1: got hurt, before that calf got hurt. Those first few
32:03
Speaker 1: days of camp, all the clips were getting are look
32:05
Speaker 1: at the RPOs, look at the play action, look at
32:07
Speaker 1: Burrow moving in the pocket and extending plays and booting out,
32:09
Speaker 1: and it was a natural progression for this offense. It's
32:12
Speaker 1: a shame we never got to see it fully happen.
32:15
Speaker 1: But I do think that is a major step for
32:18
Speaker 1: them in twenty twenty four.
32:20
Speaker 2: The Joe Burrow contract extension doesn't really become a huge
32:24
Speaker 2: cap hit until next year when it jumps from about
32:26
Speaker 2: twenty nine million to forty six million. Does that make
32:30
Speaker 2: this year critical in terms of reinforcements because of the
32:35
Speaker 2: cap space.
32:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. I think this is the
32:38
Speaker 1: most important offseason in Bengals history because I think they
32:41
Speaker 1: have the quarterback that, in my opinion, should could end
32:44
Speaker 1: up being the best quarterback in franchise history. If he's
32:47
Speaker 1: not knocking on the door for some of the young
32:49
Speaker 1: fans that already right. But you have a lot of
32:52
Speaker 1: the talent that you need. You have had it the
32:55
Speaker 1: last few years. To be honest with you, it's kind
32:57
Speaker 1: of sad to look back from twenty twenty one to
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, say, man, they were so close. You
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Speaker 1: know they in alternate universes. There's a ring somewhere on
33:05
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's finger already, and so they're at the door.
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Speaker 1: They know what they have. They got the right guy,
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Speaker 1: which I think is step number one for any franchise.
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Speaker 1: Do you have the quarterback? Yes, we do. Do you
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Speaker 1: have the coaching staff around him and the support system
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Speaker 1: around him that can get them to play at his
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Speaker 1: very best and the surrounding talent at their very best?
33:23
Speaker 1: I would say yes. Is for as much frustration as
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Speaker 1: fans have with the offense and think it should score
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Speaker 1: forty every game. Jamar Chase's broken records, Joe Burrow's broken records,
33:32
Speaker 1: They've broken all franchise records, They've broken NFL records. Together.
33:36
Speaker 1: They will continue to do that and exploit defenses throughout
33:39
Speaker 1: the league. And I think a lot of that isn't
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Speaker 1: just their talent. You have to give some credit to
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Speaker 1: the coaches of putting them in position, and the drafting
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Speaker 1: and the organization of putting talent around them, which they
33:48
Speaker 1: definitely have had. And maybe you have your poems about
33:51
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but the weapons have been some of
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Speaker 1: the best in the league. But you are at a
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Speaker 1: reset point and that's not a bad thing. I think
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Speaker 1: that scares some fans when they say, you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to rebuild, and because that has a bad
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Speaker 1: connotation to it. But a reset point to bring in
34:06
Speaker 1: to have that free agency where you get Hendrickson, where
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Speaker 1: you get Reader, where you get a woozy a, where
34:11
Speaker 1: you get Hilton. You have that point here where they
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Speaker 1: have a lot of cap space. They have tremendous cap health.
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Speaker 1: You look at the rest of the league and the
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Speaker 1: teams that they're competing with, and the Chiefs have to
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Speaker 1: make some decisions. The Bills are forty million over the cap, right,
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Speaker 1: so like these the Ravens, same situation. These teams are
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Speaker 1: not in the position you are in if you want
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Speaker 1: to push it, if you want to stretch it. What
34:30
Speaker 1: the Bengals don't really do with the cap, they don't
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Speaker 1: really push it in the future years. It's something that
34:34
Speaker 1: I think they can do, but they don't need to yet.
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Speaker 1: They don't have to like these other teams do. They're
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Speaker 1: in a position to load up with new young players,
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Speaker 1: new free agents to twenty five to twenty six year
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Speaker 1: old Von Bells signings that are cheap that six million
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Speaker 1: dollars a year. You find a guy like that again
34:51
Speaker 1: this offseason, and how much better do we feel about
34:54
Speaker 1: whatever position that is that you find that guy. And
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Speaker 1: I think that puts you in position to if you
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Speaker 1: draft well, if you have a nice free agency man,
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Speaker 1: you're loaded up again around Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,
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Speaker 1: which is really the key. And I'm ready to go
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Speaker 1: forward and watch that.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned some of the videos that I've watched recently
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Speaker 2: on Bengals on the Brain sponsored by First Star Logistics.
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Speaker 2: What are some things that we have to look forward
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Speaker 2: to coming up in the near future.
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Speaker 1: More film breakdowns. To be honest with you, I really
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Speaker 1: am interested in this offensive tackle class. I'm continuing that
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Speaker 1: with Telly Fuaga was the last one. I'm going to
35:26
Speaker 1: try and get Amarius Mims out of Georgia. He has
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Speaker 1: like eight games starting, so it's very hard to find
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Speaker 1: the tape. I might just have to cut that up myself.
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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do free agent breakdowns and profiles guys
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Speaker 1: that I think are interesting because I, like you said,
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Speaker 1: you team, a lot of people are going to say, hey,
35:41
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, why let's go after Chris Jones. I go
35:43
Speaker 1: right down to tier three and I say, Okay, who's
35:45
Speaker 1: twenty five and a half years old, who's twenty six
35:46
Speaker 1: years old, who's just now entering their prime? That you
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Speaker 1: can get for a third of the price or half
35:51
Speaker 1: the price Gino Stone at free safety for the Ravens,
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Speaker 1: right coming off a career year, twenty five years old
35:58
Speaker 1: in projection at seven million dollars a year, boom sold.
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Speaker 1: Let me get that. Let me get a player that
36:02
Speaker 1: leads the league in interceptions, right, And that's where I
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Speaker 1: want to play. And that's where I'm going to get
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Speaker 1: into in the future videos, but also a lot of
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Speaker 1: draft content. It's not just mock drafts. We have a
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Speaker 1: whole system with guys I work with and do this
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Speaker 1: with where we score in great prospects, we balance it
36:19
Speaker 1: with advanced analytics, and we let it spit it out
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Speaker 1: and we don't touch it. After that, it says, hey,
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Speaker 1: this guy should go in the first round, and we
36:25
Speaker 1: say great, because it's been pretty good for us. Although
36:28
Speaker 1: we tweak it every year, it's fun to see it
36:30
Speaker 1: play out and see how it goes.
36:32
Speaker 2: You also offer exclusive content on Twitter or X if
36:36
Speaker 2: people prefer referring to it as X these days. What
36:40
Speaker 2: do people get if they subscribe?
36:42
Speaker 1: You get one on one interaction and content. If you
36:45
Speaker 1: have questions, I answer it. I'll do videos for you
36:48
Speaker 1: right there and there. If someone says, hey, someone asked
36:50
Speaker 1: me earlier, are the targets there for brock Bauers. So
36:53
Speaker 1: I just recorded that, I'm going to send that to him.
36:55
Speaker 1: And that's why I was so prepared when you asked me,
36:57
Speaker 1: because I'm constantly answering questions, turning out content for them,
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Speaker 1: giving my opinion. I try to save my opinion for
37:04
Speaker 1: the exclusive stuff. So I put out the data or
37:08
Speaker 1: the videos or the film whatever if, and that's for
37:11
Speaker 1: everyone on Twitter. And then I'll say, okay, so what
37:13
Speaker 1: does this mean? And I'll go into the subscriber section
37:15
Speaker 1: and I'll just we'll just talk and break it down
37:18
Speaker 1: and have a conversation amongst people that are like minded
37:20
Speaker 1: and want to go a little bit deeper.
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Speaker 2: Joe, you do extraordinary work. I'm a big fan. I
37:25
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time today and I hope we can
37:27
Speaker 2: do this again.
37:28
Speaker 1: Thank you Dan for having me on.
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Speaker 2: Joe Goodbarry rave about Georgia tight end Brock Bowers and
37:57
Speaker 2: describe what he could do for the Bengals passing attack.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: The NFL Scouting Combine is coming up next week and
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Speaker 2: draft guru Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network has the
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Speaker 2: Bengals selecting Bowers with the eighteenth overall pick in his
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Speaker 2: latest mock draft, having said that he wrote the following
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Speaker 2: quote file this underfits that I selfishly want to see happen.
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Speaker 2: It's highly unlikely Bowers falls this far in round one,
38:26
Speaker 2: but let's just pause and dream for a moment about
38:29
Speaker 2: seeing him join forces with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Unquote.
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah did a pre combined conference call with reporters this week,
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Speaker 2: and here's what he said about Bowers.
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Speaker 3: He's easy to great. I mean when you watch him,
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Speaker 3: he's super easy to gree He's one of the ten
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Speaker 3: best players in the draft. He's size wise, speed wise,
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Speaker 3: I think is going to be very is going to
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Speaker 3: favor Kittle. You know, when you look at him, I
38:56
Speaker 3: think once we get a chance to see him, I
38:57
Speaker 3: don't think we'll see him do much at the combine.
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Speaker 1: I think he might be one that's waiting until the
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Speaker 1: pro day. We'll have to wait and see on that one.
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Speaker 3: But similar size, similar speed, plays with just tenacity, especially
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Speaker 3: with the ball in his hands.
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Speaker 1: That's where he's at his best.
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Speaker 3: In the run game. You know, he can get into guys,
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Speaker 3: he can finish him. You know, he's not the tallest,
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Speaker 3: not the longest guy, so there are times he's not
39:19
Speaker 3: able to quite do that. But you know, everything he
39:22
Speaker 3: does separate easy. He can go get it, he can
39:26
Speaker 3: climb the ladder and go up and get the ball,
39:27
Speaker 3: and then really the run after catch stuff is what
39:30
Speaker 3: makes him special. The challenge is then figuring out where
39:33
Speaker 3: does he go in the draft. And I think when
39:35
Speaker 3: you look around the league and you see most of
39:37
Speaker 3: these top tight ends that have come on Day two
39:42
Speaker 3: or even beyond that, teams are now saying, Okay, we
39:46
Speaker 3: can find that other tight end. Maybe we don't get
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Speaker 3: the top guy, we can get a really really good
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Speaker 3: player who might end up being the top guy without
39:52
Speaker 3: having to pay that premium. And I also think that
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Speaker 3: the Kyle Pitts thing, you know as Kyle Pitts his
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Speaker 3: talent as any tight end that I've ever evaluated, and
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Speaker 3: you know, it's just you're still dependent on the position
40:04
Speaker 3: of the quarterback, so depending on what you can get
40:06
Speaker 3: out of them. So that couple with the money difference,
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Speaker 3: the savings you get by taking a premier position in
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Speaker 3: the top ten, it's tough to place him to know
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Speaker 3: how high he's going to go.
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Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts was the fourth pick in the twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: one draft, meaning he was taken one spot before the
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Speaker 2: Bengals selected Jamar Chase. Pitts was a pro bowler as
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Speaker 2: a rookie when he topped one thousand receiving yards, but
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Speaker 2: he hasn't put up big numbers in the two seasons
40:34
Speaker 2: since Atlanta's quarterback situation has obviously been a factor. Might
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Speaker 2: that make teams reluctant to use a high pick on Bours.
40:44
Speaker 2: Only time will tell, but the highest selected tight end
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Speaker 2: in last year's draft was Dalton Kinkaid to Buffalo, and
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Speaker 2: that was with a twenty fifth overall pick. I'll be
40:55
Speaker 2: at the combine for a couple of days next week
40:57
Speaker 2: and we'll have some great draft content to come. That's
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