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Godliness in the Workplace with Nate Vainio Pt 1 - 178 · Marriage Life and More and Bible Study

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  Nate Vainio: and I'm in a panic.
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  Nate Vainio: It's one of those times where you're thinking you need to say something, but you just can't spit it out.
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  Nate Vainio: You know, I'm afraid what's he gonna say?
• 0:12
  Nate Vainio: Am I gonna make him mad, is he?
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  Nate Vainio: You know he's in my truck now.
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  Nate Vainio: I mean, I don't want to make him mad inside my truck yeah and so I, I let it go and and it probably wasn't the thing to do, but I did, and I would never argue that it was a good thing to do, but I let it happen.
• 0:32
  Nate Vainio: And then he reached up for the radio and I was like okay enough.
• 0:37
  Nate Vainio: I was like, as long as we're on dirt roads, until we get to the highway, you do whatever there and you get rid of the evidence in the back of the truck, but don't touch the radio.
• 0:48
  Nate Vainio: You're in my truck, we'll listen to what.
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  Nate Vainio: And that's where I drew the line this week on connecting the gap.
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  Daniel Moore: We welcome back nate vineo, the host of something to not on podcast.
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  Daniel Moore: Thank you, guys for joining us this week, and we've got another great one lined up here for the next couple of weeks, as Nate Vainio is going to be sitting in with me on two episodes and we're going to be discussing some things here.
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  Daniel Moore: Well, as I said, this week we have Nate Vainio with us and we've got a pretty interesting subject that we're talking about this week.
• 3:41
  Daniel Moore: And you know, I don't think that't think that very few, if any of us actually wake up one morning and decide all of a sudden that you know what?
• 3:51
  Daniel Moore: Today I'm going to go rogue Enough with being honest, enough with following Christ, enough with the church thing, enough with being moral and upstanding in my life.
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  Daniel Moore: From now on I'm going to be all about corruption.
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  Daniel Moore: I would hope that none of us have just woke up one day and thought about that.
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  Daniel Moore: But you know, unfortunately it typically begins as an indiscernible leak of integrity, at least in terms of self-awareness.
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  Daniel Moore: You know it could be we fail to arrive at a meeting on time without there being any perceptible consequence.
• 4:25
  Daniel Moore: Be we fail to arrive at a meeting on time without there being any perceptible consequence.
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  Daniel Moore: Maybe you ballparked a mileage on your expense report, even maybe fudged it a little bit.
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  Daniel Moore: You know, no one's going to notice.
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  Daniel Moore: You miss an ordinary week-a-day deadline.
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  Daniel Moore: The world didn't come to an end.
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  Daniel Moore: So what's the big deal?
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  Daniel Moore: Well, it's sin.
• 4:39
  Daniel Moore: That's the big deal.
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  Daniel Moore: There are little sins, to be sure, but regrettably yet monstrous in the presence of a sublimely holy God.
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  Daniel Moore: What first appear as hair-like fibers on a subterranean root in time becomes a complex root structure capable of supporting a veritable redwood of sin, tiring above what begins as a fudged expense account, or maybe looking at some pornography on a fellow worker's phone, or maybe getting involved in a conversation that's just laced with bad language, that graduates us into taking of under-earned discounts, overstating sales numbers, scheming up poncies and, of course, damages our relationship with God and our testimony.
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  Daniel Moore: You know, 68 to 69 percent of Americans self-identify as Christians.
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  Daniel Moore: However, 6 to 9 percent in reality, after you weed out the ones that call themselves Christians but really don't have a biblical worldview, are probably actually the actual percentage.
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  Daniel Moore: Unlike Europe, america has never had an actual state church.
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  Daniel Moore: We have always been saturated with different denominational churches throughout history.
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  Daniel Moore: As recently as the 1950s, at least one half of all adults were going to church every Sunday.
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  Daniel Moore: We had prayer in schools.
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  Daniel Moore: We was adding In God we Trust to our money and Under God to our Pledge of Allegiance.
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  Daniel Moore: It was a Protestant norm in our society at that time.
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  Daniel Moore: Well then, in the 1960s it started to come unraveled and Christianity started on a decline in America, a decline that has continued to this day.
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  Daniel Moore: Aaron Wren, an author, wrote a book and discussed a way to divide these changes in America from 1964 to the present into three eras or worlds the positive world, the neutral world and the negative world.
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  Daniel Moore: The positive world is from 1964 to 1994.
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  Daniel Moore: This time frame could be described as the first phase of Christian decline.
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  Daniel Moore: At this time you can describe it as the church attendance is down.
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  Daniel Moore: It is starting to decline, but overall Christianity is still looked at positively.
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  Daniel Moore: Christian morals are still looked at positively and you could get in trouble for doing something wrong, but the seriousness of the Christian walk was starting to be taken more lightly.
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  Daniel Moore: It's pretty common for us, when things are going well, that we seem to take things of God more lightly and we become apathetic.
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  Daniel Moore: Such is the explanation for why this decline would start to happen.
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  Daniel Moore: Then we have the neutral world from 1994 to 2014.
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  Daniel Moore: In the neutral world neutral world from 1994 to 2014.
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  Daniel Moore: In the neutral world, christianity isn't really looked at positively anymore, but it really isn't looked at negatively either.
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  Daniel Moore: It's just one more lifestyle choice among many others in the typical public square.
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  Daniel Moore: At that time, you could choose to be a Christian or not be a Christian.
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  Daniel Moore: Nobody was going to really look at you differently either way.
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  Daniel Moore: Not be a Christian?
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  Daniel Moore: Nobody was going to really look at you differently either way.
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  Daniel Moore: Then, in 2014, a major shift we enter the negative world.
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  Daniel Moore: People at that time started to look at Christianity in a negative way, or maybe skeptically is a better term to use.
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  Daniel Moore: Even though we know the founding fathers weren't exactly the bread and butter of the Christian example in many cases, as they weren't really exactly devout Christians, they at least still saw the importance of Christianity and that it was the voice that at that time, and it was held in honor.
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  Daniel Moore: Well, that's what has changed today.
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  Daniel Moore: The skeptical voices are now the official voices.
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  Daniel Moore: So as we navigate through all of these different changes in society, it brings up a question when we go to work and we're around all of the negative and the skeptical and all of the people that don't understand why we want to be a devout Christian and follow God and do His will, how do we keep our Christianity while at work?
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  Daniel Moore: Sometimes we have some really rough characters that we work with and they're super nice people and easy to get along with and they're easy to become best friends with those.
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  Daniel Moore: The problem is, the company that we have a tendency to hang around with most generally is who we become A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
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  Daniel Moore: So we have to be careful with the people that we hang out with.
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  Daniel Moore: That does not mean that we shun these people.
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  Daniel Moore: They are people that we love and cherish, just like anyone else.
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  Daniel Moore: They're our fellow human beings and our fellow friends that we fellowship with.
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  Daniel Moore: But we have to figure out some way to protect that relationship that we have with God while we're in the workplace trying to do what it is that he's called us to do and trying to live our testimony out, regardless of what flack we may receive back from the other end.
• 9:35
  Daniel Moore: That's what we're going to be talking about here this week and next week on Connecting the Gap, and Nate Vainio is sitting here with me, as I've told you from the Something to Knot On podcast.
• 9:46
  Daniel Moore: You can check out his podcast at somethingtonotoncom.
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  Daniel Moore: And this week we're going to get started with the first episode of this two-episode series here on Connecting the Gap this week.
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  Daniel Moore: What we're going to do.
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  Daniel Moore: I've got Nate Vainio back with me here in the studio this week.
• 10:15
  Daniel Moore: What we're going to do I've got Nate Vainio back with me here in the studio.
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  Daniel Moore: He was very good the last time he was here, so very well behaved.
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  Daniel Moore: So we let him come back.
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  Daniel Moore: Thanks for coming back, nate.
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  Nate Vainio: Try to not let you down and break the mold there.
• 10:29
  Daniel Moore: We'll try to kick right on through it, but we decided this week to come together.
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  Nate Vainio: Who gets to?
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  Daniel Moore: edit this.
• 10:37
  Daniel Moore: Well, we'll find out.
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  Daniel Moore: We'll flip a coin at the end.
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  Daniel Moore: There we go, We'll decide.
• 10:41
  Nate Vainio: I'm sure I'm going to lose that.
• 10:42
  Nate Vainio: I'll carry on.
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  Nate Vainio: I apologize.
• 10:48
  Daniel Moore: Yeah, I'll get one of those two-headed coins and I'll call heads.
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  Daniel Moore: But yeah, me and Nate we've been talking a little bit here lately about this exact thing and both of us have experiences of being in a workplace where it has really been a struggle to keep our faith and to stand firm on what it is that we believe in, and Nate has an awesome story that he's going to share with us here on this episode.
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  Daniel Moore: So I think you guys can just buckle in and sit back and just enjoy the story here as we unfold all of this and hopefully maybe something will help you guys.
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  Daniel Moore: If you're in the same situation and you're struggling with this walk with God that you have in the workplace, maybe you know, if you think about your life, maybe you're in that 68 to 69 percentile that is a self-identified Christian.
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  Daniel Moore: But if you really look at your life, maybe you're in that 68 to 69 percentile that is a self-identified Christian.
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  Daniel Moore: But if you really look at your life, you probably don't really have the characteristics of that Christian, of having that biblical worldview, and so maybe, if that's you, then maybe you will come out of this episode looking at things a little bit differently and get yourself into the track of being who God wants you to be and who he calls you to be.
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  Daniel Moore: So, as we get started this week, nate, just go ahead and start in and just tell us a little bit about your experience that you've had with trying to walk in the workplace and keep your faith, like we should.
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  Nate Vainio: Well, I would say too, it's a combination of not just keeping the faith but sharing the faith as well.
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  Nate Vainio: That sometimes is a challenge as well, and I think a lot of times we have that idea that, yeah, we should do that.
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  Nate Vainio: But how do you do that?
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  Nate Vainio: How do you do that and keep your job?
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  Nate Vainio: How do you do that and keep relationship with people you know coworkers, you know and keeping that synergy that you have at work going, and that gets to be a bit of a challenge.
• 12:41
  Daniel Moore: Yes.
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  Nate Vainio: But the story I've been wanting to talk about for a long time is actually about 10 years old.
• 12:49
  Nate Vainio: I've had some pretty interesting job opportunities over the years, but about 10 years ago, years ago, I had the opportunity to go up to montana and work at a gold mine up there and it was not a big, uh, conglomerate style gold mine.
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  Nate Vainio: It was not, a uh, you know, five man wrecking crew on the discovery channel trying to play, you know, the, the gold discovery games.
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  Nate Vainio: You know.
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  Nate Vainio: Know, when I got up there, there were about 30 guys up there and it was a rough crew, if you know.
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  Nate Vainio: I don't know who's listening here, but I promise you it was a rough crew.
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  Nate Vainio: We'll come back to that in just a second.
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  Nate Vainio: But I want to step back and if anybody's listened to my podcast, or maybe even a little bit of the previous podcast, I think I alluded to it this particular time frame in my life was where my wife and I had been separated right at a year.
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  Nate Vainio: We were separated for a total of two years or just shy of two years.
• 13:53
  Nate Vainio: We were separated for a total of two years or just shy of two years.
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  Nate Vainio: But at the point in time when I go up there.
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  Nate Vainio: All you know what has broken loose in our home and I'm out of the house and we didn't want a divorce, but it was just chaotic to live together and I had a business that imploded and was trying to figure out.
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  Nate Vainio: You know what am I going to do and had this opportunity to go up to this mine and Montana's home to me, you know.
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  Nate Vainio: So for me to be up there just spoke something to me in that moment.
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  Nate Vainio: I was going to be working at 7,500 feet, playing with life-size Tonka toys and digging in the dirt, and it was the hardest job I think I've ever had and it's my favorite job that I've ever had.
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  Nate Vainio: I would get up at about 435 in the morning.
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  Nate Vainio: I'd be driving early in the morning to get out to the mine site.
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  Nate Vainio: We would, I would cruise along the Blackfoot River and watch the sun come up.
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  Nate Vainio: We would work most times at least a 10 hour day, if not a 12, plus an hour drive in the morning and an hour drive at night on top of that.
• 15:07
  Nate Vainio: So I mean, I was.
• 15:08
  Nate Vainio: I was where a guy needed to be in that situation, in the sense that I didn't have time to do other stupid stuff.
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  Nate Vainio: So God had my back in that sense.
• 15:25
  Nate Vainio: So I come to that scenario of working with those guys in a very broken sense, that life is just collapsing around me and I just need a place.
• 15:31
  Nate Vainio: And where do I end up?
• 15:32
  Nate Vainio: I end up with a bunch of misfits, and I don't think I use that term loosely.
• 15:40
  Nate Vainio: I mean, guns were everywhere up there.
• 15:43
  Nate Vainio: I think everybody had a gun.
• 15:44
  Nate Vainio: There were several felons up there and I'm pretty sure no, I know a couple of them did, and they shouldn't, you know.
• 15:52
  Nate Vainio: I mean I'm not going to give any names and and and of course I'm statute of limitations, I suppose is transpired.
• 16:00
  Nate Vainio: So we'd be good there, but it was.
• 16:02
  Nate Vainio: It was a wild and crazy place and, uh, I ended up carrying a guy and I was like you know, I'm going to.
• 16:09
  Nate Vainio: Just I, you know, I thought you know, well, that's the thing to do.
• 16:13
  Nate Vainio: I probably, you know, if something went down, I just didn't want to be on the south side of that deal.
• 16:17
  Daniel Moore: So odd man out.
• 16:18
  Daniel Moore: Yeah, you know the target practice.
• 16:21
  Nate Vainio: I got a 45 auto and thought you know the old spray and pray and exactly, you know, let's uh, it's terrible to say, but anyhow, yeah, the boss would come by and you know, boss, boss always had a 1911, you know little holster and what have you?
• 16:36
  Nate Vainio: Anyhow, but one of the guys, one of the guys the first couple days that I was there, and you know how it is when you go into a situation, you kind of size people up and I think I'm okay with that, you know, in terms of having the ability to see those types of people and say, okay, this guy is like this is the leader, this is the alpha male, this is you know.
• 17:02
  Nate Vainio: You know just kind of getting an idea of who's who.
• 17:05
  Nate Vainio: And the first couple of days there, when I clocked out at the end of the night, I'm getting ready to drive home, see these guys drinking beer at the sitting at the mine site, you know, sitting on their tailgate drinking beer, and I'm thinking there's one guy in particular and I was like he's the beast, he is the, he's the guy you don't want to tangle with.
• 17:27
  Nate Vainio: And if you looked at him physically it wasn't the case, you know, he might have been 5'8" 180, 200 pounds maybe, but boy, he just had that vibe, you know.
• 17:40
  Nate Vainio: Well, a couple of weeks later not even a couple of weeks, probably about a week later his truck breaks down.
• 17:47
  Nate Vainio: The only guy and as we're talking about this, we're going to talk about part of this story is talking about how there are divine moments that God gives you the opportunity to take advantage of.
• 18:00
  Nate Vainio: Yeah, and or they take advantage of you, or you know however you want to slice that yeah.
• 18:07
  Nate Vainio: So his truck breaks down and all of a sudden he goes from being the tough guy to being the guy who needs a ride.
• 18:16
  Nate Vainio: And so he got real nice, real quick and uh, needed a ride.
• 18:20
  Nate Vainio: I was the only guy that drove remotely close to where he was, and so we'll call him Dig Dug.
• 18:28
  Nate Vainio: Uh, he was an excellent operator, uh, excavator operator and absolutely essential to the operation up there too.
• 18:36
  Nate Vainio: I've watched him do stuff with an excavator that you just kind of scratch your head and go man I, you know he taught me some stuff he did, but anyhow, so I I give him a ride and that first night when I take him, he gets in his seat and he opens his bag and he cracks open a beer and we're driving out of the mountains.
• 19:00
  Nate Vainio: And I'm panicking because it's like, okay, now we're dealing with a boundary issue.
• 19:04
  Nate Vainio: Here, we're dealing with a legal issue, here we're dealing, you know, what do you think you're doing in my truck, kind of a thing, and I'm in a panic.
• 19:10
  Nate Vainio: It's one of those times where you think you need to say something, but you just can't spit it out.
• 19:16
  Nate Vainio: You know, I'm afraid what's he going to say?
• 19:18
  Nate Vainio: Am I going to make him mad?
• 19:19
  Nate Vainio: You know, he's in my truck now.
• 19:21
  Nate Vainio: I don't want to make him mad inside my truck, yeah, and so I let it go.
• 19:26
  Nate Vainio: And it probably wasn't the thing to do, but I did, and I would never argue that it was a good thing to do.
• 19:33
  Nate Vainio: But I did, and, uh, I would never argue that it was a good thing to do, but I, I let it, I let it happen, and uh, then he reached up for the radio and I was like okay enough.
• 19:48
  Nate Vainio: I was like, as long as we're on dirt roads, until we get to the highway, you do whatever there and you get rid of the evidence in the back of the truck, but don't touch the radio.
• 19:55
  Nate Vainio: You're in my truck, we'll listen to what.
• 19:56
  Nate Vainio: And that's where I drew the line.
• 19:58
  Nate Vainio: I lost one battle, but I won the other one.
• 20:00
  Nate Vainio: What have you?
• 20:00
  Nate Vainio: Well, what was interesting over the next several weeks was that I would literally watch him sit in the truck and he was a very tormented man, very tormented, angry.
• 20:15
  Nate Vainio: You know, on the one hand he could be, you know, very jovial and happy, he could be the life of the party with the right amount of alcohol kind of guy, yeah, but then, at the same time, he could be an insanely violent, angry man, and it will come into play here in a little bit too.
• 20:35
  Nate Vainio: But I'd say that he'd had several interactions with law enforcement that I don't even know if it's right to say.
• 20:44
  Nate Vainio: By the grace of God he didn't end up in prison.
• 20:47
  Nate Vainio: But there was a judicial issue, a prosecutorial issue in an assault of a police officer that, while anybody judging that would say yeah, he should have been, he managed to to, to not.
• 21:04
  Nate Vainio: So this is a guy that's you know.
• 21:09
  Nate Vainio: So I say that just to say this is the guy I'm dealing with here, you know.
• 21:11
  Nate Vainio: And and while I say that, please under, if you can't hear the love in my voice for this guy, uh, I do, I love this guy.
• 21:21
  Nate Vainio: We spent six months in my truck, um and uh, he never touched the radio again and he would.
• 21:30
  Nate Vainio: I would watch him as he get in the truck.
• 21:33
  Nate Vainio: He would be so tense and as we drive we'd listen to Christian music all the way home and he would just melt, just kind of lean, kind of fall over and lean into the door and several times he would mention he'd just stop and he'd say, yeah, you know, nate, and he kind of had this weird demeanor about him, but he's like yeah, nate, I just feel at peace in your truck.
• 21:59
  Nate Vainio: I just feel at peace in your truck, you know.
• 22:01
  Nate Vainio: And out of that came some very blunt conversations about Jesus, about what happens to us when we die, about making a decision for Christ.
• 22:16
  Nate Vainio: My backbone got a little stronger after a while with that to say you know, hey, you're in my truck, we'll have this conversation.
• 22:26
  Nate Vainio: Your option is to walk.
• 22:28
  Nate Vainio: And you know, at first I didn't have that backbone and I wasn't.
• 22:35
  Nate Vainio: I don't say that to be mean or hateful or to use that as leverage over him or what have you, but he had means to do something else.
• 22:43
  Nate Vainio: He chose not to, he enjoyed his ride and we took advantage of that moment and talked about that.
• 22:49
  Nate Vainio: Um, the it pains me to say that the last I had heard, uh, dig Dug had not responded to the Lord.
• 23:00
  Nate Vainio: Um, it's a very hard, very hard man, but I have to believe that God put us together for a very intentional purpose at that point in time.
• 23:14
  Nate Vainio: And, um, I'm going to come back to some of the mind stuff, but I want to tell the last time I saw Dave was two days before I left Montana to come back to Joplin and I got a phone call from him and he was out of his mind and what made this.
• 23:34
  Nate Vainio: Worse was that nine months prior I had taken a mental health first aid course and I had this idea that when I heard him I was like hey, this is what we talked about in this course.
• 23:47
  Nate Vainio: He's having a mental break.
• 23:49
  Nate Vainio: I need to get out and help him.
• 23:51
  Nate Vainio: And so I get out to help him and it went from crazy to bizarre.
• 23:57
  Nate Vainio: On steroids, with the snap of a finger.
• 24:01
  Nate Vainio: It was a mess.
• 24:02
  Nate Vainio: I get to the door and he answers the door in a pair of boxers a white wife beater t-shirt, a black a Ruger Blackhawk 357 in one hand and a gold nickel plated Ladysmith 357 in the other, and he didn't even have a hat on.
• 24:24
  Nate Vainio: I mean, that's what was that's what was offensive, but I was like what is going on?
• 24:34
  Nate Vainio: And, as I talked to, obviously something's going.
• 24:36
  Nate Vainio: You know he's got, he's talking to voice, he's saying that there are other people in the house and and for those of you who work in situations like this, this is the absolute dumbest thing for me to have done and I will not argue that with anybody.
• 24:55
  Nate Vainio: But I will promise you that if anybody had called the police, there'd have been a shooting.
• 25:02
  Nate Vainio: Yeah, he was that kind of guy in that kind of a mode.
• 25:06
  Nate Vainio: It would not have been okay.
• 25:09
  Nate Vainio: Maybe they're not, maybe I'm exaggerating.
• 25:11
  Nate Vainio: It would have been at a bare minimum to soften this as much as I could.
• 25:14
  Nate Vainio: It would have been really, really bad yeah and uh.
• 25:18
  Nate Vainio: So I tried to step inside, got inside, wanted to get him out of the house, tried to get the guns out of his hands and it was.
• 25:26
  Nate Vainio: It went from weird to spooky, almost.
• 25:28
  Nate Vainio: He starts talking to somebody right over my shoulder and and I mean it's just bizarre, you know.
• 25:36
  Nate Vainio: And at one point in time I remember leaning into him and I said touch my shoulder, man, just just so you know that I'm real.
• 25:43
  Nate Vainio: And uh, finally he did, and it took, I want to say it took about a half hour, 45 minutes to get the guns out of his hand to him, to get dressed, to go to Subway.
• 25:55
  Nate Vainio: I talked to him.
• 25:56
  Nate Vainio: That was how I got him out of there.
• 25:58
  Nate Vainio: I was like let's go get something to eat, man, let's go to Subway, you know.
• 26:00
  Nate Vainio: And I got the guns unloaded back in my car.
• 26:03
  Nate Vainio: I got the bullets in my pocket and the guns in the back of the truck and I get him into the truck finally.
• 26:11
  Nate Vainio: By the way, if you need to take someone to a psych ward, you don't take them to the psych ward.
• 26:15
  Nate Vainio: You got to take them to the ER at the hospital.
• 26:17
  Nate Vainio: Just, it took forever for me to get them.
• 26:21
  Nate Vainio: I finally got them to the psych ward deal, you know.
• 26:23
  Nate Vainio: And they were like no, you got to go to the ER.
• 26:25
  Nate Vainio: Well, I go to the ER.
• 26:26
  Nate Vainio: And he didn't want to go into the ER.
• 26:30
  Nate Vainio: And anyhow, long story short, with that, they called in a psychiatrist and the psychiatrist finally came to me and quite startled and said I can't tell you what's going on due to HIPAA, but I can tell you he's not possessed and I can tell you he didn't have a mental break.
• 26:49
  Nate Vainio: You go ahead and figure out, you draw whatever conclusions you want to, sir, but anyhow.
• 26:55
  Nate Vainio: So I left him in capable medical hands.
• 26:58
  Nate Vainio: But that was, he would tell me, when we were driving together.
• 27:06
  Nate Vainio: He would tell me stories of stuff that he had done, and there were the kind that when you hear people say that it's like, yeah, right, it's all embellished.
• 27:11
  Nate Vainio: Well, I'd get home and I'd go digging through old.
• 27:14
  Nate Vainio: I remember one article I pulled up in the Butte Butte Montana uh newspaper, you know, and I sure enough it's, it was there it was there, you know, and it's like so.
• 27:26
  Nate Vainio: So he wasn't an atypical individual out there.
• 27:33
  Nate Vainio: He might've been just a little bit ahead of everybody.
• 27:36
  Nate Vainio: There was others out there and and, uh, and I come into that place working out there and, and Montana's a very um, being a native Montana, being from Montana, is a big thing, um, and if you're not, uh, there are places there where it might be a little more difficult for you to get along with people.
• 27:56
  Nate Vainio: You have more things to prove or whatever.
• 27:59
  Nate Vainio: And so, even though I had grown up out there, I'd been gone for so long and I'd get out there, and I don't talk now like I'm from there or what have you.
• 28:12
  Nate Vainio: So I started at the mine, a little bit behind the curve with that, and as time would wear on, I didn't know how to.
• 28:21
  Nate Vainio: I just did my job and I worked hard.
• 28:24
  Nate Vainio: I lost, believe it or not, and I had it to lose, but in the first month and a half, maybe two months, I lost 40 pounds.
• 28:30
  Nate Vainio: It was a great diet.
• 28:33
  Nate Vainio: It was pounds.
• 28:34
  Nate Vainio: Um, it was a great diet it was.
• 28:36
  Nate Vainio: But uh, uh, I started working in a in a shed, organizing a shed the first day I got there and before long, uh, they had uh, moved me up in some things to where I was taking care of all the uh, assaying samples and and mapping out some things.
• 28:53
  Nate Vainio: And it's a, from a quality control standpoint, of making sure you're getting quality gold out of the ground.
• 28:58
  Nate Vainio: It's a.
• 28:59
  Nate Vainio: It's a.
• 28:59
  Nate Vainio: It was a huge jump.
• 29:01
  Nate Vainio: Well and I say that not to say that I wasn't really good at it that they jokingly called me the professor out there, cause I would keep a notebook with me and the geologists would come by and I'd ask them questions about why are we seeing this here?
• 29:14
  Nate Vainio: And when we see this here and this here, does it mean, you know, and if I had, honestly, if I had, the opportunity to go back to college again and redo things geology, I love it, I absolutely love talking with these guys and what we were doing up there.
• 29:26
  Nate Vainio: But the kicker was that I found a place of doing something in that niche up there that none of the other guys could do, and in doing that, I found myself at a place where I served the ownership and the investors quite well and they you can go back and kind of look or at least I can go back and look at it now.
• 29:53
  Nate Vainio: There was a clear respect for what I did, and it wasn't that those guys liked me, but they understood that to get the job done, what I was doing was absolutely essential and the boss trusted me with it.
• 30:12
  Daniel Moore: We're going to take a break here for a moment and give you a chance to stretch your legs, maybe get you another cup of coffee, and we'll be back here with Nate Vainio on From Something to Not on podcast, as we're discussing this subject this week about staying godly in the workplace.
• 30:27
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• 30:56
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• 30:57
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• 30:58
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• 30:59
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• 31:01
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• 31:05
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• 31:22
  Daniel Moore: Welcome back to this week's episode.
• 31:23
  Daniel Moore: I'm Daniel Moore and we're here with Nate Vainio, the host of Something's Not On Podcast, and this week we're discussing godliness in the workplace.
• 31:32
  Daniel Moore: How do we keep our faith when we're walking these paths with the unbelievers, the people that we work with and call our fellow workers?
• 31:39
  Daniel Moore: Without further ado, let's get back into this week's conversation.
• 31:44
  Nate Vainio: And you know so.
• 31:46
  Nate Vainio: There's dynamics of integrity and competence.
• 31:50
  Nate Vainio: You know, I've often thought, when you talk about sharing your faith, when I was in high school and college we'd do things with like Youth for Christ or Campus Crusade and what have you how to share your faith, and you'd have these little seminars of how you go about that.
• 32:07
  Nate Vainio: And this little phrase got thrown around.
• 32:09
  Nate Vainio: It just just chaps my hide a little bit.
• 32:12
  Nate Vainio: But uh, what's the?
• 32:13
  Nate Vainio: Something to the effect of, uh, people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care Did you ever hear that?
• 32:22
  Daniel Moore: I've heard that.
• 32:22
  Daniel Moore: I hate that term.
• 32:24
  Nate Vainio: Been a long time, but I heard that before.
• 32:25
  Nate Vainio: Yeah, just bad memories, right.
• 32:27
  Nate Vainio: It's been a long time, but I've heard that before.
• 32:31
  Nate Vainio: Yeah, just bad memories, right.
• 32:32
  Nate Vainio: When I look at this situation at the mine and there's another part of this story that I want to jump into here in a second what I come to find out with this, or what I come to see with this, is that there's a group of individuals that don't care how much you know until they know how hard you work or how valuable your work is, which comes back to when you're in the workplace.
• 32:52
  Nate Vainio: Are you really working to glorify and honor god?
• 32:55
  Nate Vainio: yeah and doing well, in whatever capacity that you're in, and it's out of that respect that some things came up.
• 33:03
  Nate Vainio: And so, uh, when I when I say things came up, it's it's out of that dynamic that the opportunities to share.
• 33:11
  Nate Vainio: One day we had got up there, we'd been working, I'd say, for a couple hours maybe, and we all had mics, walkie-talkies on, and at one point somebody jumps on and they're just screaming for help, which at first you know is going to get your attention.
• 33:31
  Nate Vainio: When you're at a mine site.
• 33:32
  Nate Vainio: You know all the danger and possibilities there.
• 33:36
  Nate Vainio: Well, as you're listening to what's going on, it's a domestic dispute between two people and a boss's daughter and her boyfriend were getting into it and boss's daughter was laying into the boyfriend.
• 33:52
  Nate Vainio: The boyfriend was trying to get away and he was calling for.
• 33:54
  Nate Vainio: He literally was calling for help.
• 33:55
  Nate Vainio: And it evokes all sorts of bad jokes, like the old boss's daughter joke.
• 34:00
  Nate Vainio: I mean this is bad, but there were those who were there who would take care of that, so we just kept working.
• 34:08
  Nate Vainio: But there were those who were there who would take care of that, so we just kept working and somebody got the boy off the mountain and we finished the day out and Dig Dug and I were on our way off the mountain at the end of the day and our paths crossed with the owner in his Suburban.
• 34:29
  Nate Vainio: As we're crossing, it was kind of one of those scenarios where he comes to a stop.
• 34:33
  Nate Vainio: We were going the other way.
• 34:34
  Nate Vainio: We come to a stop, we block the road.
• 34:36
  Nate Vainio: We're just having a good old conversation and you could see him crying.
• 34:41
  Nate Vainio: You could see that he had been through the emotional ringer that day.
• 34:47
  Nate Vainio: And he asked us.
• 34:48
  Nate Vainio: He asked us if we'd seen his daughter and we hadn't.
• 34:49
  Nate Vainio: And, uh, he said, well, she'd taken off a little while ago and he hadn't found her and couldn't find her and was concerned about her.
• 34:55
  Nate Vainio: And so, uh, dick Doug and I took off after that and said, you know, we told the owner that we'd we'd go out and you know we'd do some looking, you know, and see what we could come up with.
• 35:08
  Nate Vainio: And uh, so we, we get out and it's it's.
• 35:14
  Nate Vainio: It's kind of a bittersweet deal.
• 35:16
  Nate Vainio: On the one hand you hate that, you know they've had such a uh a moment, but at the same time I kind of enjoy riding around in the mountains looking for deer and look for, you know, whatever.
• 35:25
  Nate Vainio: So we're out there looking for deer and look for, you know whatever.
• 35:27
  Nate Vainio: So we're out there looking for, you know, her truck and her, and what have you?
• 35:30
  Nate Vainio: And there are hundreds of miles of roads out there, just old logging roads, mining roads, blm roads, what have you?
• 35:37
  Nate Vainio: And we spent, I want to say we spent about two hours and just didn't see anything.
• 35:43
  Nate Vainio: We finally get down to the, down to the highway.
• 35:46
  Nate Vainio: We're cruising down the highway and all of a sudden we see her truck on the side of the road and so we pull over and it's clearly, you know, she's run out of fuel or something, but it's locked up and what have you?
• 35:59
  Nate Vainio: So we're in a no-sell zone, we have no coverage whatsoever.
• 36:03
  Nate Vainio: So we figure we'd cruise into town.
• 36:06
  Nate Vainio: And this is where the funny little subtleties of God working, because if we hadn't spent two hours in the mountains, we would have been in front of her breaking down.
• 36:21
  Nate Vainio: And so now, now, now, all I can tell you is that she's broken down and she's probably I mean, at that point in time, I just know that she's broken down.
• 36:30
  Nate Vainio: So we're driving and we're looking, and it's late.
• 36:34
  Nate Vainio: And, by the way, I have you ever been up in the Rockies in the summer?
• 36:38
  Daniel Moore: One time.
• 36:39
  Nate Vainio: Did you, do you recall?
• 36:41
  Daniel Moore: We didn't get real far.
• 36:42
  Daniel Moore: We were in Colorado.
• 36:43
  Daniel Moore: We've been up in there, that area.
• 36:46
  Daniel Moore: Do you recall how light it stays?
• 36:51
  Nate Vainio: to the late hours of the night.
• 36:51
  Nate Vainio: Notice that it was probably 10, 10, 30 when we found her car, and it was still it's not it's not light, but it's not dark right yeah and uh, anyhow.
• 37:02
  Nate Vainio: So it's point being, it's late but it's, you know, that's why we were looking.
• 37:06
  Nate Vainio: Anyhow, long story short, I say to Dig Dug I love calling him Dig Dug, anyhow I say let's go get a Subway sandwich, because where I need to drop him off there's a truck stop and a Subway, and so we have all that way.
• 37:24
  Nate Vainio: And I don't know about you, but when I start talking about that, I can taste it, I can anticipate it, I you know.
• 37:31
  Nate Vainio: The problem is it's 1030.
• 37:34
  Nate Vainio: Anybody, I didn't realize it at that point in time, but obviously they're going to be closed.
• 37:41
  Nate Vainio: Well, we get down to the truck stop and and we see the lights on the subway sign are out and there are eight cops at the truck stop.
• 37:54
  Nate Vainio: And at that point in time, ordinarily I would have just driven on by because, again, these are the details of it.
• 38:04
  Nate Vainio: I would have driven on by because I just don't want to get into that mess.
• 38:07
  Nate Vainio: Details of it.
• 38:09
  Nate Vainio: I would have driven on by because I just don't want to get into that mess.
• 38:10
  Nate Vainio: Doug doesn't like cops either.
• 38:12
  Nate Vainio: So we're not going to mess with that scenario.
• 38:14
  Nate Vainio: But we had been driving thinking about subway and now we're hungry, so we got to go in and get something.
• 38:21
  Nate Vainio: So we park and we go in, and again, we would not have gone in under if the circumstances just been completely or subtly different.
• 38:30
  Nate Vainio: And we go in and who do?
• 38:33
  Nate Vainio: The cops have thrown up on the hood of the car and handcuffed, but the boss's daughter, wow.
• 38:39
  Nate Vainio: And the guys on the phone, the, the arresting officers on the phone with the legal we'll call him the legal counselor for the mine, and they come up with a deal that well, let me back up, because this is actually kind of funny.
• 38:59
  Nate Vainio: I just and again it highlights how rogue or how rough and redneck this whole scenario can get.
• 39:08
  Nate Vainio: So when she left the mine, she went the opposite way that we would ordinarily go.
• 39:12
  Nate Vainio: She found a bar.
• 39:13
  Nate Vainio: She did some drinking.
• 39:14
  Nate Vainio: She's five foot tall, she didn't have to drink much to get totally tipsy, you know.
• 39:18
  Nate Vainio: Then she decided she wanted to go the other way.
• 39:21
  Nate Vainio: So she's went driving the other way, which is where we found her, you know, running out of fuel.
• 39:26
  Nate Vainio: She, in in her drunken stupor, forgot to put fuel in Anyhow, got a ride to this other place and decided she wanted to smoke.
• 39:33
  Nate Vainio: Well, she went in and she didn't have her wallet.
• 39:36
  Nate Vainio: She asked for the smokes.
• 39:37
  Nate Vainio: They decided to card her.
• 39:38
  Nate Vainio: She didn't have her license because it's locked up in the truck, and they said well, we can't do that if you don't have your license.
• 39:45
  Nate Vainio: Well, she pulls out her 38.
• 39:50
  Nate Vainio: She's got a concealed carry permit.
• 39:51
  Nate Vainio: She says I've got a concealed carry permit or I wouldn't be carrying this.
• 39:55
  Nate Vainio: Well, this creates a new problem for everybody involved, because now she's produced a firearm, you know, and it looks like a threatening scenario, notwithstanding the fact that, if you might know about this, but I believe that in Montana, at that time at least, even if you had a concealed carry permit, you cannot carry while drinking or intoxicated or you know whatever verbiage you want to use there.
• 40:25
  Nate Vainio: So so, anyhow, uh, she stows her weapon and goes to the restroom.
• 40:32
  Nate Vainio: They call 911, please show up and drag her out, go into the restroom, drag her out.
• 40:38
  Nate Vainio: And, uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, handcuffed there, and I walk out and the guy pulls me aside and we connect the dots as to what's going on.
• 40:51
  Nate Vainio: And he's, he's on the phone with this guy from the mine and they made a deal there that I guess you'd call this a backwoods Montana sheriff deal, but they didn't want to arrest her, they didn't want to go through the paperwork or what have you, but they couldn't let her go by herself.
• 41:08
  Nate Vainio: So they again I get a gun, unload a gun, put it in the back bullets in my pocket, keep them separate.
• 41:17
  Nate Vainio: So there's nothing squirrely going on.
• 41:19
  Nate Vainio: And basically we were going to take her home and keep her from going to jail that night and so when we get to talking with her she's got a little cut on her lip and the boy she was with up there to get out of the to get out, get away from her busted her in the mouth and I looked at it and she peeled her lip back and it went all the way up on the inside and what you could see on the outside wasn't much, but it was going to need stitches.
• 41:50
  Nate Vainio: So we ended up taking her to the hospital.
• 41:54
  Nate Vainio: By this time we're looking at midnight.
• 41:56
  Nate Vainio: You know what have you?
• 41:57
  Nate Vainio: I think it was 2 o'clock, 2.30, maybe 3 o'clock before we ended up getting her to the hospital, checked her into a hotel, called her dad and made sure he was aware of what was going on.
• 42:07
  Nate Vainio: Dad, and made sure he was aware of what was going on.
• 42:12
  Nate Vainio: I went home and told him I wasn't going to come in until maybe noon the next day.
• 42:14
  Nate Vainio: I felt like I kind of heard that one.
• 42:16
  Nate Vainio: But man, I just the subtleties of if we hadn't been looking for the amount of time we had, we would have blown right past in front of her, that truck stop in front of her.
• 42:32
  Nate Vainio: We decide to actually go in when we ordinarily wouldn't have gone in and all these things kind of come together, and the gratitude her dad had and the recognition that he had that God had orchestrated things, um, brought a pliability that we'll talk about here in a second.
• 42:56
  Nate Vainio: But it was.
• 42:57
  Nate Vainio: It was not a um, it was not a flippant moment.
• 43:02
  Nate Vainio: Even even then it wasn't a flippant moment.
• 43:04
  Nate Vainio: I can see more of it now.
• 43:06
  Nate Vainio: But, uh, you know how God just orchestrated those steps and uh, so anyhow.
• 43:15
  Nate Vainio: So so put a bookmark in that part of the story and and and to just to kind of rush forward another couple of weeks or what have you, um, there was another guy at the mine site who uh was, it was a key, key component of the whole, a whole operation.
• 43:37
  Nate Vainio: And on a weekend, uh, off site, he passed away.
• 43:41
  Nate Vainio: It wasn't anything going on at the mine or whatever.
• 43:44
  Nate Vainio: It just it was off.
• 43:45
  Nate Vainio: It was a natural cause kind of a thing, whatever, just it was off.
• 43:50
  Nate Vainio: It was a natural cause kind of a thing.
• 43:51
  Nate Vainio: And uh, but it kind of shook the it, it kind of shook the, the foundation of the crew, you know.
• 44:02
  Nate Vainio: And uh, the owner got everybody up I think there was probably 20 at the time.
• 44:04
  Nate Vainio: 20, 25 people left at the mine and got us up there and explained what happened, you know, just laid it out.
• 44:11
  Nate Vainio: And in the midst of that, and I just, I just believe that everything that happened, with me being there for his daughter, keeping her out of jail, taking her to the hospital, getting her set up, you know, and safe, and what have you?
• 44:32
  Nate Vainio: There was a knowledge of our family, that he had a knowledge of our family and knew we were Christians.
• 44:37
  Nate Vainio: That wasn't, this wasn't blind, but it was all building towards a moment.
• 44:46
  Nate Vainio: And in this moment of chaos and uncertainty, and what have you, he's telling everybody what's going on and he stops and he turns and he says, nate, would you lead us in prayer?
• 44:58
  Nate Vainio: And, uh, something came over me in the moment.
• 45:05
  Nate Vainio: I hadn't I mean.
• 45:06
  Nate Vainio: So press pause on this, back this thing up a little bit.
• 45:12
  Nate Vainio: My wife and I are separated.
• 45:23
  Nate Vainio: I'm not in the place where I should be, or people would think that they should be, to share.
• 45:25
  Nate Vainio: You know, I didn't have my head in the right place all the time there and I was following the Lord there's no doubt about that but I just wasn't in control of all aspects of my life.
• 45:41
  Nate Vainio: I mean, my life was a wreck at the time.
• 45:43
  Nate Vainio: And in the midst of this he says Nate, would you pray?
• 45:48
  Nate Vainio: Would you say a prayer for the man who died and for all of us?
• 45:53
  Nate Vainio: I didn't want to get into theology.
• 45:55
  Nate Vainio: You know about praying for the dead and this and that, but I and there's something that I would call I don't know if anybody has ever used this word.
• 46:07
  Nate Vainio: If they've not, maybe we could copyright it and you and I can use it but I call it preach praying.
• 46:12
  Nate Vainio: I don't know if anybody has ever used that term.
• 46:16
  Daniel Moore: I can't say I've heard that one.
• 46:18
  Nate Vainio: So simply it really is.
• 46:20
  Nate Vainio: I was given the opportunity to pray and I was able to pray in a manner that I just felt like God had ordained in that moment where not only praying hey, you know, hey, god, help us, you know what have you?
• 46:35
  Nate Vainio: But to pray and to use that as an opportunity to speak truth, to speak about the, to speak about eternity and the fact that each of us has to make a decision to speak about eternity.
• 46:46
  Nate Vainio: And the fact that each of us has to make a decision, the fact that you know God.
• 46:50
  Nate Vainio: I pray that you, we, we trust you with Roland, we trust you with him, and I pray that you would speak to everybody.
• 46:59
  Nate Vainio: That was probably about right, maybe, but in two minutes of uninterrupted, uh reception yeah, of the gospel message.
• 47:40
  Nate Vainio: That's awesome and that's they saw it up until that point in time.
• 47:45
  Nate Vainio: They saw it.
• 47:46
  Nate Vainio: And how I worked, they saw it and how.
• 47:48
  Nate Vainio: Up until that point in time.
• 47:49
  Nate Vainio: They saw it in how I worked.
• 47:50
  Nate Vainio: They saw it in how the owner respected me and our family.
• 47:55
  Nate Vainio: They saw it.
• 48:06
  Nate Vainio: But it all built and it culminated in that moment to be able to speak in a way where those people would hear and retain that.
• 48:11
  Nate Vainio: So when I think about that, I mean that's rough guys like Dig.
• 48:13
  Nate Vainio: Dug and several others.
• 48:15
  Nate Vainio: I didn't tell you about the guy who got out of jail after breaking people's legs.
• 48:22
  Nate Vainio: That's not a joke.
• 48:22
  Nate Vainio: He was the happiest guy there.
• 48:25
  Nate Vainio: Very colorful crew, yeah, it was a very colorful crew, but anyhow tough people need Jesus too.
• 48:38
  Nate Vainio: Yeah, and there's, it's possible to stand your ground and be respected for it by absolute heathens.
• 48:50
  Daniel Moore: Yeah.
• 48:52
  Nate Vainio: Maybe tough, but it's certainly possible.
• 49:04
  Nate Vainio: I don't know how much I did this myself, but I believe God put me at a place where the owner respected my work.
• 49:19
  Nate Vainio: I brought stuff to the table up there.
• 49:22
  Nate Vainio: Um, that wasn't, wasn't there.
• 49:27
  Nate Vainio: You know just, there's a lot of hardworking guys up there, but I brought some knowledge on some things that were just so far outside the box that you think you didn't need it.
• 49:36
  Nate Vainio: And you get up there and it's like oh no, we, this is this, this has value.
• 49:40
  Nate Vainio: And so there's that element of by virtue of the fact that God granted me favor in the eyes of the owner.
• 49:50
  Nate Vainio: I had standing to speak to the others, yeah, and I didn't.
• 50:00
  Nate Vainio: They didn't care how much I know, yeah, so anyhow, so that's the Reader's Digest version of my mining days.
• 50:16
  Nate Vainio: Well, there's more, but, like I said, it's a Reader's Digest version.
• 50:19
  Nate Vainio: But, some colorful characters, some moments of divine intervention and yeah, divine intervention and uh, yeah.
• 50:32
  Daniel Moore: So you know, when we've been talking about this, you know, doing this episode, me and you both came to the realization pretty quickly that we've both, you know, had different paths in our own lives with the job situation.
• 50:41
  Daniel Moore: And a question that I want to ask you, uh, reflecting on one of the careers that I had I was a firefighter, emt for about 14 years and anybody that's in that type of work, that emergency responder type work, knows that it's a rough crowd to be around and I think a lot of it stems from the fact that we deal, you know, as a firefighter, medic, police officer, any of those lines of work you deal with a lot of crazy stuff all the time.
• 51:12
  Daniel Moore: You deal with death, you deal with sickness, you have, you know, car crashes.
• 51:16
  Daniel Moore: You know firefighters they have to fight fire, they put their lives on the line.
• 51:19
  Daniel Moore: There's just a lot of things that take place and as you go into especially the side of medical, going to the car wrecks and that kind of thing, people never understood it, but the comments we would always make is, man, that that was a good crash you know, we sit there start talking about.
• 51:36
  Daniel Moore: You know, had to cut somebody out that hadn't done that quite a while.
• 51:39
  Daniel Moore: You know, in all reality, you know that person either died or had their life on the line.
• 51:44
  Daniel Moore: You know, yeah, but that's how we always dealt with that kind of stuff.
• 51:48
  Daniel Moore: We had to use humor, we had to look at it lightly in a lot of ways, because if we didn't, then it would get the better of us Firefighters and police officers and all them.
• 51:58
  Daniel Moore: They're all human.
• 52:00
  Daniel Moore: We were all human, just like everyone else was.
• 52:02
  Daniel Moore: And that kind of thing, seeing that day after day after day, really works on you very hard.
• 52:07
  Daniel Moore: And the flip side of that, they probably have some of the most filthy mouths and imaginations that you could ever imagine.
• 52:18
  Daniel Moore: When I first started working that job, I probably heard the F word more in one day than I heard in my whole 20 years of my life before I started working at that place.
• 52:29
  Daniel Moore: You know, and it and it just started from that day forward and just continued.
• 52:33
  Daniel Moore: I was left.
• 52:34
  Nate Vainio: I'm sorry if I'm cutting you off too much there, but I've, if is it appropriate on our podcast to be laughing about the F word, but uh what was humorous to me at the, at the mine and actually in another job, was there's an inverse correlation to the usage of the F word To the boy.
• 53:01
  Nate Vainio: I really don't want to say it, but there's a lack of vocabulary, and so it could be a verb, could be a noun, it could be an adjective, it could be a, an adverb, it can be used as a multiple different.
• 53:17
  Nate Vainio: Yeah, it's just, it becomes a filler word, exactly.
• 53:20
  Nate Vainio: And uh, yeah, there were times there were a few other words that they use up there, that that weren't, um, that weren't swear words necessarily, but they used it up there.
• 53:31
  Nate Vainio: That weren't swear words necessarily, but they used it in.
• 53:33
  Nate Vainio: Maybe the one word was cob, c-o-b, cob, and I can think of about nine different usages that they had for that, and you never interpreted what they were saying based upon the use of the word.
• 53:43
  Nate Vainio: You had to look at the context that they were speaking and get a generalized idea as to what they were really trying to say and anyhow.
• 53:50
  Nate Vainio: So it was a bit of a challenge in that respect.
• 53:53
  Nate Vainio: But I'm sorry, I cut you off when you were talking about the use of the old F-bomb.
• 53:58
  Daniel Moore: Yep, just, you know every average everyday language that takes place.
• 54:03
  Daniel Moore: Yeah, and I was.
• 54:05
  Daniel Moore: You know I've grown up in church Everybody that's listening to my podcast and followed my podcast from the beginning.
• 54:10
  Daniel Moore: I've always described myself as one of those that was born under the pew.
• 54:14
  Daniel Moore: Yeah.
• 54:15
  Daniel Moore: You know, I remember as a kid sleeping under the pew while the services went till midnight and all that stuff in the good old days back then, you know, yeah, know, and but it doesn't just because we grow up that way doesn't mean that we're all immune to Satan attacking us and causing us to go different directions at different points in our life.
• 54:38
  Daniel Moore: And I am sad to say for myself that, as I was, you know, doing that profession at the fire department, I still, you know, went to church, for the most part on a pretty regular basis, not as regularly as I should have, but at the same time I let the atmosphere of that job get to my salvation.
• 54:57
  Daniel Moore: I let it get to the person that I wanted to be and should have been.
• 55:02
  Daniel Moore: Satan won a lot of those battles and a lot of times I failed.
• 55:07
  Daniel Moore: I wanted to be like the rest of the guys and therefore I just became like them.
• 55:13
  Daniel Moore: You know the environment that I was a part of.
• 55:14
  Daniel Moore: I became a part of that environment and, as I look back on that, I was so fortunate because there was, you know, several different times that things happened on calls that were very dangerous and I could have lost my life pretty quickly and that would have been an eternity changer for me.
• 55:34
  Daniel Moore: So you know, listening to your story, I did go through a divorce while I was on the fire department.
• 55:42
  Daniel Moore: One thing that was always funny about that is whenever I first started, I was told right up front that one of the highest divorce rates is in emergency services.
• 55:51
  Daniel Moore: That's one of the very first things that I was told and I was like, well, you know?
• 55:56
  Daniel Moore: I'm sure that happens, you know, but that's not.
• 55:58
  Daniel Moore: I never even thought nothing about it, wouldn't you know it?
• 56:01
  Daniel Moore: A few years into it, I'm divorced and going through a bad marriage and that kind of thing, and so I became a statistic even in that aspect of things, and so anything that could happen to me at that point in time in my life seemed like it happened.
• 56:17
  Daniel Moore: I just I failed in so many areas.
• 56:19
  Daniel Moore: Well, we're going to cut it off there for this week.
• 56:23
  Daniel Moore: We'll come back next week and we'll finish this conversation with Nate Vainio as we're talking about how to stay godly in the workplace.
• 56:31
  Daniel Moore: How do we keep our faith when we're walking around people that don't have faith in Christ?
• 56:36
  Daniel Moore: They might be nice people and we may really enjoy hanging around them, but we have to figure out a way that we can not only keep a friendship but, at the same time, understand that we have to protect our walk with God, and we'll be back next week to wrap this up.
• 56:51
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• 57:00
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• 57:04
  Daniel Moore: I know a lot of people out there fight these kinds of battles every day, and if you guys have been in a situation where you've had this type of thing go on in your life, at your workplace or maybe within your family, it doesn't necessarily just have to be where you work.
• 57:19
  Daniel Moore: We have to be around people that aren't believers all the time, everywhere we go.
• 57:25
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• 57:27
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• 57:44
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• 57:48
  Daniel Moore: He'll be back next week and we'll finish up this discussion here on Connecting the Gap.
• 57:53
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