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Buckeye Banter With Former Ohio State Point Guard Jamar Butler · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another edition of Buckeye Banter. We
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  Speaker 2: tell the stories of former Ohio st Ohio State athletes,
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  Speaker 2: and I have a very pivotal person in the history
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  Speaker 2: of Ohio State men's basketball here in Jamar Butler. Jamar,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for taking some time.
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  Speaker 3: Oh thanks for having me on, so I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Well. As I said, very pivotal, I believe, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to it in a moment. You came in just
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  Speaker 2: as Dadmata arrived, and certainly we all have fond memories
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  Speaker 2: of those days. But let's start a little bit earlier.
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  Speaker 2: I believe you were born September twenty seventh, nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: five in Lima, Ohio. You went to Shawnee High School.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about growing up there, and obviously Greg Simpson
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  Speaker 2: and some other folks up in that area, you're right
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  Speaker 2: there with them, mister basketball. Eventually, what was it like
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  Speaker 2: to grow up in Lima?
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  Speaker 4: Growing up in Line, it was great. It was always
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  Speaker 4: been known as a basketball town. And you know, coming up, Uh,
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  Speaker 4: my father who put the ball in my hands. He
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  Speaker 4: was a coach, and so I was always around the game.
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  Speaker 4: And like you you mentioned Greg Simpson, we also had
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  Speaker 4: Aaron Hutchins. I followed these two guys. They were like
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  Speaker 4: my big brothers. Like I idolized these guys coming up.
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  Speaker 4: And like Greg Simpson, I remember him getting a mister
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  Speaker 4: basketballs and that's something that's the goal I set at
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  Speaker 4: a very young age. I want that mister basketball like
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  Speaker 4: Greg Simpson got. So growing up in Linea, just the
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  Speaker 4: the atmosphere as far as basketball, like I can, I
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  Speaker 4: can name many names. I can go on for days.
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  Speaker 4: Just a basketball town. So it was, it was. It
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  Speaker 4: was great growing up in Lina, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: I knew a guy from up there and he always said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm from l A and I'm like in La and
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  Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, Linea Area.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's all like that Lina Areas, that's right,
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  Speaker 4: surrounding schools around there.
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  Speaker 3: It's always good basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hey, you're your senior year, you averaged thirty one
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  Speaker 2: point six points a game with eight point three assists.
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  Speaker 2: I saw on your Facebook page there's a TV Sports
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  Speaker 2: report with where Jim O'Brien, the coach at the time,
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  Speaker 2: was in attendance. To watch you play. Tell me about
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  Speaker 2: being recruited, and I believe I remember this pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: It came down to like Cincinnati, Ohio State.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it did.
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  Speaker 4: I actually I committed to Cincinnati at a very young age.
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  Speaker 4: It was after my freshman year going to my sophomore season.
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  Speaker 4: I committed to Cincinnati. And a big part of that
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  Speaker 4: me and and one of my best friends growing up,
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  Speaker 4: Matt Twiliger, who was my teammate at Ohio State. We
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  Speaker 4: wanted to go to school together. We played summer ball
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  Speaker 4: together from eighth grade all the way up, and I
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  Speaker 4: remember he was thinking Cincinnati. So I committed, and I
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  Speaker 4: was at a top one hundred camp and one of
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  Speaker 4: the guys called me Elver and said, you're here at
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  Speaker 4: to Williger. He committed to Ohio State. So that summer
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  Speaker 4: we were in Vegas and it came down and we
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  Speaker 4: wanted to go together. So I remember making the phone call.
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  Speaker 4: They were in the hotel room in Vegas. I told
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  Speaker 4: Jim O'Brien, I want to come to Ohio State, and
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  Speaker 4: he said, what I don't want to do is re
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  Speaker 4: recruit you as I recruited you want you committed a Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 4: I gave him my word, I'm coming. And that's pretty
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  Speaker 4: much how that all went down.
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  Speaker 2: Remind me, where did tour Williger go to high school?
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  Speaker 3: Troy?
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, Okay, absolutely, and he was he
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  Speaker 2: was definitely a constant in the program as well. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: you're recruited there by Jim O'Brien and you've kind of
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  Speaker 2: already entered a little bit, I guess, since you were
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  Speaker 2: so close with Matt. But you come into school and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden there's a new coach. It was
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  Speaker 2: the summer of four, very late. You know, my high
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  Speaker 2: state seems to be these last two or three coaches
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  Speaker 2: attend to like Thad got let go a little late,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, obviously Holman got let go early
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  Speaker 2: during the season, but coach O'Brien got relieved of his
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  Speaker 2: duties there and in June, I believe of four. And
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  Speaker 2: actually I remember going on my honeymoon and who's the
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  Speaker 2: coach and right, all that back then. So but what
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  Speaker 2: was it like though? Did you have any doubts? You know,
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  Speaker 2: I know it wasn't the same as now as where
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  Speaker 2: you can just you know, jump around, is he right?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
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  Speaker 2: What were your thoughts when when he got let go
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  Speaker 2: and then coach Mada gets hired.
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  Speaker 4: Well when that happened, I was the same way, like
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  Speaker 4: who was the coach going to be? And it was
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  Speaker 4: a crazy time because the day O'Brien got fired was
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  Speaker 4: my first day of class, so I had already enrolled,
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  Speaker 4: I signed the attendance sheet. I was a student at
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  Speaker 4: Ohio State now, so if I want to transfer half
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  Speaker 4: the city year at that time, I would have had
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  Speaker 4: a city year. So I don't want to say I
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  Speaker 4: was stuck, but it was. It was a crazy situation
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  Speaker 4: where it was like, well, I don't know who the
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  Speaker 4: coach is going to be. Who am I going to
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  Speaker 4: play for? And then I found out it was going
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  Speaker 4: to be coach Mata. And the moment I found out
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  Speaker 4: was going to be coach Mata, I mean it was
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  Speaker 4: no brainer. It wasn't in this Hiar. He recruited me
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  Speaker 4: when he was that Savior, so kind of knew the
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  Speaker 4: kind of guy he was. I knew the kind of
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  Speaker 4: coach he was. I knew his history, he had a
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  Speaker 4: butler and Xavier. I knew we had a good coach
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  Speaker 4: coming in, So I'm pretty I really wasn't worried once
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  Speaker 4: I found out it was him and what he did
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  Speaker 4: on Ohio State.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the rest of yester, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, absolutely it ended up grade. Now your freshman year,
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  Speaker 2: that was a little upsetting at the time, right, I believe,
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  Speaker 2: because you weren't allowed to go to the Instigoy tournament, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you know here you come in and the rosters
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  Speaker 2: kind of influx a little bit, but you average nineteen
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  Speaker 2: minutes a game. Obviously, the big shot that Matt Silvester
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  Speaker 2: hit against Illinois was the crowning achievement of that season.
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  Speaker 2: You win twenty games, make me through kind of freshman year,
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  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of upheaval in the program. Did
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  Speaker 2: coach Mauda kind of settle things down pretty quickly?
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  Speaker 4: He did from the moment he stepped on campus. He
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  Speaker 4: had it saying we're going to do things the Ohio
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  Speaker 4: State way. And his thing was we weren't going to
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  Speaker 4: be outworked, and we knew the work where you're putting
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  Speaker 4: in day in, day out, and he it was almost
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  Speaker 4: like a calming effect, like you said that he put
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  Speaker 4: on the entire program where he made you feel comfortable
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  Speaker 4: like you were in good hands. He knew what he
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  Speaker 4: was doing from the moment he stepped on that campus
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  Speaker 4: and he took it over. And like I say, you
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  Speaker 4: look at his record when he was there, everything he
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  Speaker 4: did when he was there, and it speaks for himself
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  Speaker 4: like he was a players coach, a father figured or
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  Speaker 4: all of us and just just someone you could turn
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  Speaker 4: to in any situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess what did it do as far as
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  Speaker 2: what you expected? Because here you are averaging doing was
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  Speaker 2: thirty two points a game as a as a high
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  Speaker 2: school senior. You come into a situation at Division one,
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  Speaker 2: Big ten basketball didn't kind of meet your expectations or
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  Speaker 2: were you were you little.
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  Speaker 4: Shocked the game Actually a little shocked because I can
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  Speaker 4: I will never forget my first Big ten game. It
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  Speaker 4: was ad Illinois and he put me in the game.
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  Speaker 4: I catched the ball, turned around and Dee Brown's there
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  Speaker 4: waiting on me, talking to me. So I'm like looking
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  Speaker 4: around on all his range going crazy. I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: this is what it's all about. And it was almost
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  Speaker 4: like a deer in the headlights. But as the season
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  Speaker 4: went on, I kind of I kind of calmed down
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  Speaker 4: and I had a rocky freshman season. I didn't shoot
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  Speaker 4: the ball well. I had the minutes but that came
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  Speaker 4: just from being the backup, being playing good defense, and
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  Speaker 4: just transporting the ball. So my freshman year was a
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  Speaker 4: little rocky. It was a big change for me because
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  Speaker 4: I was used to scoring the basketball. Then I came
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  Speaker 4: into it my freshman year at o IIOA State and
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  Speaker 4: my role was changed. So it was kind of you
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  Speaker 4: adjust to get the minutes and do what you have
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  Speaker 4: to do to be on the court.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's an eye opener. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna talk a little bit about the THAD five
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  Speaker 2: here in a few minutes. Like, not everybody walks on
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  Speaker 2: campus and as Greg Odin or Jared Soldier, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like right, I have to remind friends of mine that sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: like I remember when Caleb Weston came, he looked a
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  Speaker 2: lot like Jared Solingder. But you know, he's a great
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  Speaker 2: player at high State. But at the same time, hey,
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  Speaker 2: there's gonna be some growing pains for most freshmen.
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  Speaker 3: That's just absolutely absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Hey, your sophomore year, you and the team turned
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  Speaker 2: it on. You averaged ten point one points, four point
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  Speaker 2: six assists the game, but the team goes twenty six
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  Speaker 2: and six. You're twelve and four in a Big Ten.
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  Speaker 2: You won the regular season in the Big Ten. Just
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  Speaker 2: tell me about the difference. Coach Mauda kind of used
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  Speaker 2: that Illinois win. If people forget Illinois was undefeated last
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  Speaker 2: year the regular season there in your freshman year when
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  Speaker 2: you beat them, so he kind of used that as
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  Speaker 2: kind of a jumping off point, I believe, and then
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  Speaker 2: you go into a great second year.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely that year was that was my favorite year at
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  Speaker 4: the hof State there. Yeah, going into that season they
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  Speaker 4: had a picked second to last and finishing a Big Ten.
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  Speaker 4: We had no expectations going in. But I do remember
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  Speaker 4: the off season where where coach Dave richardson our strength
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  Speaker 4: and conditioning coach. We worked so hard and we were
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  Speaker 4: all so close and tight, and we just had a
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  Speaker 4: brotherhood about us that like I said before, you aren't
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  Speaker 4: going to outwork us, and we came into that season
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  Speaker 4: with a chip on our shoulders. We almost felt disrespected
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  Speaker 4: and somebody was not mentioned much on the ill Stay
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  Speaker 4: about Jaquale Foster.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Mark.
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  Speaker 4: He was by far, hands down the best leader I've
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  Speaker 4: ever played with to this day. He was just a hard,
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  Speaker 4: nost tough leader, captain. He wasn't going to ask you
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  Speaker 4: to do anything. He doesn't do itself. He brought it
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  Speaker 4: every single day and we all kind of piggybacked on
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  Speaker 4: that and we just worked and worked and worked and
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  Speaker 4: ended up winning the Big Ten that year, which was
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  Speaker 4: a big surprise, number two seed in the tournament and
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  Speaker 4: we got beat in the second round of Georgetown.
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  Speaker 2: You did, you beat Davidson in the first round. That
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  Speaker 2: was in dating, I believe, right, Yeah, actually I got
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  Speaker 2: to go over to those games here from Columbus. But again,
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  Speaker 2: you won the regular season back then, that meant so
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  Speaker 2: much more than it does now. Like it right, winning
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  Speaker 2: the Big Ten was seriously an accomplishment. And listen, I
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  Speaker 2: want to ask you about this because you mentioned jakel
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  Speaker 2: and pound for pound as tough as they get, right,
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  Speaker 2: he was, absolutely, but he was. You've got Terrence Dials,
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  Speaker 2: JJ Solinger, Matt Silvester, we mentioned Jaquille Foster. They're like seniors.
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  Speaker 2: But everybody in Columbus and even around the country, like
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  Speaker 2: it was hard to watch a game on TV without
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  Speaker 2: mentioning Greg Odin and Mike Conley and daycon Cook and
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  Speaker 2: all the guys were talking about in a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: was that stressful at all? Or is that kind of like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what about us type feeling at time?
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it was stressful. We just it was
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  Speaker 4: almost like we were waiting, Like I knew I was
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  Speaker 4: waiting on her to get there, I was returning. I
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  Speaker 4: knew we were gonna be special the next season. So uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I went. It wasn't stressful. We were just
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  Speaker 4: we were locked in on what we were doing at
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  Speaker 4: that time, and that was trying to move a survive
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  Speaker 4: in advance in March. That's what we were trying to
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  Speaker 4: do at that time. That's when all the talks started
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  Speaker 4: coming about when their commitments came in. So we we
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  Speaker 4: were just locked in in the moment that we were
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  Speaker 4: in at that time. And then after the season is
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  Speaker 4: when they kicked in the high gear and they were like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: these guys are coming and sure we knew we were
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  Speaker 4: gonna have something special.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it was really funny to me. Terrence Dials was
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite Buck guys, even from his freshman season,
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  Speaker 2: but it was interesting against Georgetown. Roy Hibbert was so
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  Speaker 2: big some of those other guys right, and it was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: just wait until we get these other guys in here
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  Speaker 2: next year what happens, and we'll get there in a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, you got to play them again, so we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about that here in a minute. But that year
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  Speaker 2: was very affirming for coach Manta. Did it prove to
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  Speaker 2: you also, like, Hey, I can I belong here? I'm
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  Speaker 2: ready to go?
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  Speaker 3: Ah for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I just knew at that time, I knew I made
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  Speaker 4: the right decision going to Oto State. I mean I
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  Speaker 4: got to play in a final four, a national championship game.
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  Speaker 4: We won two Big Ten titles, a Big Ten Tournament championship.
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  Speaker 4: Those are careers players dream of. You know, I can't
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  Speaker 4: I can't put into words like as a player in
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  Speaker 4: college to go and play at all those different levels
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  Speaker 4: and high level games, what that meant? And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I got goosebumps now even talking about it. So I
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  Speaker 4: was truly blessed and to have coach made and making
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  Speaker 4: the system to go to a hot state.
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  Speaker 2: Now we have to talk a little bit about your
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  Speaker 2: junior year. Obviously we're going to talk grander about the
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  Speaker 2: results of that year, but going into it, listen, I
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  Speaker 2: remember I had a conversation with the guy back home
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  Speaker 2: where I grew up, and it was like, hey, Jamar
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  Speaker 2: Butler's the point guard. I don't care who this. Mike
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  Speaker 2: Conley is, right, you know, But Mike came in and
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  Speaker 2: it was like, well, wait a minute, how did that
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  Speaker 2: happen for you? As far as accepting it, and hey,
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  Speaker 2: you were a great two guard as well. But but
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  Speaker 2: but with Mike coming in and kind of took over
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  Speaker 2: the ball handling things like that for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: was that tough for you or how did you adjust
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  Speaker 2: to that?
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  Speaker 3: It was?
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  Speaker 4: It was tough at first because I was I have
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  Speaker 4: played the point guard my entire life, and honestly, I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sophomore, the point guard on the team just
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  Speaker 4: won the Big ten. Try to see and my position
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  Speaker 4: gets changed. And it was a tough adjustment. So going
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  Speaker 4: into that, I'm like, well, and I'm one. If you
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  Speaker 4: flat out just dominate me every damn practice and you
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  Speaker 4: take my spot, you earned it, you got It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: the case. It was kind of like handed and I
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  Speaker 4: moved over to the two, And how do you complain
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  Speaker 4: when you're the number one team in the country, you
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  Speaker 4: winning championship. So it was one of those things where
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  Speaker 4: it did it made us all around a better team collectively,
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  Speaker 4: a better team. It made us better and like I said,
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  Speaker 4: we were a number one team in the country with
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  Speaker 4: winning games, with winning championships. So it was a tough adjustment.
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  Speaker 4: But far as the way everything went, I wouldn't change
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  Speaker 4: a thing. I wouldn't change the way it went down
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  Speaker 4: at all, because, like I said, I got to play
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  Speaker 4: in the final four national title and I built friendships
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  Speaker 4: and relationships with these guys, my teammates that we still
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  Speaker 4: have a bond to this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, your scoring went down a little to eight
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  Speaker 2: and a half a game, but that one that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: say that you went your output down, because like the
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  Speaker 2: number of guys that could score like went up exponentially,
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  Speaker 2: like you still had Ron Lewis, and then you're adding
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  Speaker 2: guys like Odin Cook, Lighty Conley, Like all these guys
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  Speaker 2: scored some too, although Lighty was more of a defensive
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  Speaker 2: stopper on that team. He would go on to score
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  Speaker 2: more later. But yeah, Conley, Greg Odin who was Greg
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  Speaker 2: was the guy that everybody knew about, right, It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: all that. And then here you come in with this
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  Speaker 2: point guard that he was teammates with growing up, Deacon
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  Speaker 2: from the Ohio from Ohio, but played with them and
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  Speaker 2: Au as well as David Lighty and An ohl Hunter.
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  Speaker 2: What a glue guy for him to come in as
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  Speaker 2: a as a transfer. Tell me a little bit about
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: that group and what was that like when they stepped
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: on campus. Was it instantly kind of hey, they're really
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: good or did they have to kind of grow into
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: their roles as well?
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: No, that was instant. They were instantly dominating good. I
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: mean Greg Olden, he just he did what he did.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was freaking nature seven to one over
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: a thirty chart with the seven to one wings fan
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: like he was. He was Greg, but the Mike did
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: his thing as well, like he just he's one of
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: those guys he makes everyone around him better. He's just
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: a floor general and he made everyone around him better.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: But the most talented out of that entire group to
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: me was Daykon Cook. Yeah, my gunness, you rode the
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: ball out there and tell him to go get a bucket.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: He's going to go get one.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: He was just so skilled and so smooth and the best,
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: one of the best scorer our scorers I've ever played with.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: And like you said, you mix David Lighty into that.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: His defense is nasty. That year, I became a three
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: and D guy, as what I like to say, so
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: like everybody just fell into their roles. And then he said,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: othellow Hunter to go with Greg Golden, then Ivan Harris
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: like it was just Ron Lewis. You can go on
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: and on and on. It was. It was a very
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: loaded team. We were deep and uh, everyone had to
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: buy into a role for it to work. And that's
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: another thing coach Marty was good at is getting you
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: to buy into what he needed out of you. And
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: everyone was balled in Burah on the same page. And
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: that's what made that year so special.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Well, and that was the first year or two that
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: they went back or they made the rule of one
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: and done where you couldn't leave out of high school
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: to go to pros. Obviously we believe Greg probably would
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: have gone straight to the NBA, right, But in that time,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: since the mid two thousands to now, there's been very
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: few teams that can roll out like four or five
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: or six freshmen and win the whole thing. I think
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: of UK back in twenty twelve with Anthony Davis. They
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: kind of did it with John cal Party, but the
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: fact that you brought along Ron, yourself, Ivan Harris, who
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: you know he was McDonald's all American, right, you know
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: fit in well on this team. You guys had to
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: be there, I think to have the success, you go
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: thirty five and four. But talk about the experience factor
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: when you add in all those young guys.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like we have been we have been through it before.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: We played in them at the year before we won
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the Big Ten championship the year before, so we had
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: we had been through it. And that year, honestly, Ron
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Lewis was the one who was He was the vocal
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: He was the vocal guy.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: He was that captain. Me.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I was one who I showed it by my effort
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: in practice, like I showed it about how I played.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Ron was the vocal one.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: And again Mike Conley he stepped in and you can
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: say he was a captain honestly because the way he
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: was vocal and the way he set the table, the
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: way he needed to be set, the way he brought
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: it every day in practice. We have more than just
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: those those the seniors and juniors that we could say
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: that were leaders and captains.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: We were all on it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: You came to practice, you wouldn't know who it was
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: that's the truth, gonna hear ten other voices. Everybody's everybody's clicking,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: everybody's bought in. Everybody could talk to each other and
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: take construct the criticism. So it was a hard, tough
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: nose team with captains across the board.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: We againting you. Thirty five and four record, finished the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: regular season number one in the country, and the eight
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: peopole won the Big Ten regular season and tournament. I mean,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: it's really amazing. And Odin missed the first seven games
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: because he had a broken hand or wrist, and you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: in that first seven games he had that tough loss
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: at Carolina. I kind of wish he could have could
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: have played in that. And I remember his first game.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I'd heard whispers being in the media. I had a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: couple of friends on the beat. I was like, Oh,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go down there and watch this and you
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: play Valpo. Incidentally, I think Jake Diebler was on that team.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: He's now the highest state coach, right, And just to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: see Greg Oden out on the floor was something else.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: And that actually reminds me that I got to ask you,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: this is the era of the biggest longest shorts ever, Right,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: they got more and more Maggie and long.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yes they did.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: And then it was funny when you guys went to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the tournament. Now I want to talk about a regular
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: season highlight as well, But you guys made it to
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: tournament Nike issue. There's new uniforms, and it was a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: little more understated across the chest, just a higher state
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: with your number, and it wasn't having all the stuff
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: on it that the other regular uniforms did. But they
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: were also snugger up top. And yet the shorts were
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: so long and baggy, right, But you guys thought that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: was the best at the time, didn't.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we were, hey, can I get my shorts
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: of size bigger? Coach the size bigger? You know, the
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: shorts couldn't get big enough. And then with the I
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: really didn't like the top. Yeah, they were so yeah,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: you couldn't. I couldn't raise up the shoe. It was
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: everything was tight. But now you look like I'm coaching
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: high school ball here. Now my boys they fight for
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: the smallest short.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: What's going on?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Back to Larry Bird right well? And the funny thing was,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I remember the Mitch album book about the Fab five.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: That's when this all started. Well, it's kind of starting
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: with George, right, but the Fab five Jalen Rose went
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to the center and said, trade me shorts. Yep, I
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: want those shorts that are bigger, and that's kind of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: how that started that Rigglar season forty ninety eight, very
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: local scoring game. Wisconsin, ha gotting you at their place,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: but you beat them at home. I remember Brian Butch
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: suffered that injury in that game. It's hard to say
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: a score in the forties for each team is exciting
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to watch, but my goodness, you've got to remember that
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: game and a lot of US fans too.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: It was a dog fight from the tip, yeah, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: we knew Wisconsin and how they played. They were gonna
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: try to slow us now because we like to get
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: out in transition. So it was almost like a chess match.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: We're trying to go fast, they're trying to slow down.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: They ran that swing offense. They would run twenty eight
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: seconds off the shot clock every single time shoot with
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: five seconds left, and so it was a dog fight.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Half core game. I mean, guys bleeding. It was definitely
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: of Haror fall guy and had a Londe Tucker yep,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: and he was just a dog and the paint at six',
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: five he playing like he's six.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Eleven, yeah and he was. There everything to go with
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: it Was Cam TAYLOR i think.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: It was his, name And trey that butch and they
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: just had shooters and size and they were just as
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: hard nose as we. Were so that's the game That
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: i'll never.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Forget yeah, again if you haven't seen, it go look
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: for it on. YouTube hard to believe a game in
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: the forties could be so. THRILLING i Think conley hit
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the runner in the, paint win the. Game just, amazing and,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: hey you got to take care of them again in the.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Tournament so you did take two out of three From. Wisconsin,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: yeah you go into the inn seed away as the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: number one. Seed second round, though you find yourself in
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: trouble Against, xavier, Right and of course That's Ron lewis's
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: high school teammate At Brooke Caven lavenders on that, team
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and Again Sean miller coached under his. Coach there's so
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: many Ties miller was with Coach. Mada tell me a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: little bit about that, game and it was pretty scary
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: AND i actually before you talk about, it there's a
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: funny conjecture Around Ohigo state, fans if you lose that,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Game Mike onley might stay because his tournament run after
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that was so. Amazing it got him to the number four. Pick,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: overall he had this great. Career he's still in the.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: League but tell me a little bit about that game
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and then you know just how thrilling it. Was Ron
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: lewis hit the, three and Then conley took over in. Overtime.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: YEAH i MEAN i looked up And i'll see how
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: much times. LEFT i see how many were losing by
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: And i'm, like, like this really is going to end right.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Here AND i THINK i had a. THREE i think
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: They kwan hit a. Three someone else. DID i think
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: we were right back in. It And i'll never forget
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: missed the free, throw and we had a design coming
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: out of, that like what we were going to do
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: if they missed the free throw right and the way
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: it went down was not the way it was was
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: not the. Plan we came down And mike flipped it To,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: ron And ron raised up from deep.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And he pulled.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Up i'm just looking, like, oh he has to hit,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: this and he hit. It BUT i Asked, Roan i'm,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: like what made you pull?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Up and shoot. That in his, Response i'm a, Senior
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: i'm gonna take the. Shot so and he hit.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: It so it ended up working up with that game
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: again From, uh that's another one to go back and
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: watch from to the. End there was so many lead
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: changes and back and. Forth it was a high, intense,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: uh high intensity game for.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: SURE i Think greg eventually fouled out and then and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: then the other side of that was The xavier folks
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: were screaming because they thought he shove the, bounds trying
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: to wind him, out.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: And the Overtime Mike connley just completely took the overtime. Over,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: yeah he took the overtime over. Itself all floaters in the.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Paint, yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well SO i try to SOMETIMES id inject my
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: own personal stories into these. Conversations And I'm i'm a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: writer At Suburban, news a little local, paper but we Covered,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: brookhaven you, know at the, time and so we covered
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: both those, guys AND i got a press pass to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: come down To lexington to watch the game and cover
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the game and write a story about the Two brookhaven
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: guys and about you, guys AND i ended up HAVING
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: i covered the sales here, locally and they were playing
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a regional down In, athens and my editor, said, no
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you have to go cover the. Sales And i'm, like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: what are we talking about, here? Man this is a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: this Is and SO i go to the. Sales the
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: game's over and at O High university they had these
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: awful it's kind of Like purdue in the corners that
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Remember daktronic. Scoreboards mackie had those low ones down by the. Floor,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: yeah they had that that they could PUT tv, on but,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: look you could barely see what what it. WAS i
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: can still Remember Gus Johnson, Lewis he's been, Awesome, yeah for.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Sure and then we just go crazy and of course
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: We're Ohio, university but there's lots Of buckeys down there and,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: yeah my, goodness what a. Game and, yeah but it
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: didn't in. There you guys had to play a very
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Tough tennessee, Team Bruce pearl and that's an eighty, five
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: eighty four Winning you talk About wisconsin being tough, day
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and The see brought it and they wanted to get
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: down the ditch with, you Didn't They they, Did they.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Did they were.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Tough they Had chandler down, There Juwan smith And Chris
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Lofton oh my. Goodness, YEAH i was assigned to him
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: And i'm. TALKING i did every trick in the. BOOK
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: i would rub his, ritz patt his elbow in he,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: SHOT i did EVERY i was right on him and
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: no matter, what he was still draining. Him, man he's
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: filthy THAT i remember going in the. Halftime we were
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: DOWN i think fifteen. Seventeen it was. Bad, yeah, yeah
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: we were down, bad but the feeling in the locker.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Room Ron lewis stood, Up we're gonna be. Fine he,
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: said we're. Fine let's go out do what we. Do
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: we got to throw the first punch in the first
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: half out of the second, half and uh we. CAME
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: i think we went on a quick eight all RUN
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: themn once we took the. Lead H i still remember
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: the last play forget. Who they came And Greg oden
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: Got Ron lewis got the, Block, Greg.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Greg that might have been the one That greg blocked
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: that out of.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Bounds yeah, yeah, Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Greg wasn't his Name, Chisholm yeah, Yeah, Wayne, yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah he blocked the shot and uh again march survive in.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Advance that's what that came down. To and another game
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: to go back and. Watch it was a fall battle
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: and all the way down to the, wire and the
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: comeback we made from the in the second half was
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: it was.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable and isn't that the game maybe early second half
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: where Where David lighty hit like two threes either from
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the wing or the base or the. Corner and, Again
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: david was known that year as more of a defensive
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: guy on the. Wings he had such long. Arms he
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: would become a great penetrator of the basketball in his
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: career at the High state which spanned four plus years
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: because he broke his foot or in his Junior but,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: yeah he hit the two THREES i think in that
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: game to really help you guys come.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Back But Dave lighty that entire tournament run. Doesn't he
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: didn't get a bunch of. Credit but he was Our
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: he was our lockdown guy on D we knew when
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: he came in he was going to do his job
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: on the defensive. End and LIKE i, said that's something
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: you don't see in the, papers you don't see in the.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Highlights But Dave lighty was a huge factor to what
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: we did the entire. Season another guy, energy low in
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: practice all he'll get it. Going he was high, energy
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: had a high. Motor he brought it every day as.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Well. Well, listen he stayed the whole, time unlike you
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the guys that could go. Pro but even Coach, mada
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: HE i don't think he was. Joking he said he
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: wanted to build a statue Of David lady outside the.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: SHOT i, mean, honestly if you're going to he's one
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: that would be out. There.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Sure just everything he did at the, university he stuck with.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: It he, graduated he did everything the right. Way that's
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: What David lighty. Did he did everything right way in
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: a professional.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Way still playing In france, Too, yeah still being. Close so,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: listen you've put us fans through the. RINGER i mean
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: That xavier game, again we can't lose This. Xavier we
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: hired their. Coach we can't lose that. Game and then
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: so now we got swept through This tennessee. Game and,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: listen you're the number one seed really probably the number
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: one overall seed if they talked about like that back.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Then and it's, like wait a, minute why do we
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: have to play these? Guys you, Know tennessee was, good
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you got to go
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Against calipari and those guys In. Memphis that's a ninety
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: two to seventy six, Win, Jamar but that game was,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: close with them leading early AND us fans were just
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: kind of nervous wrecks throughout the whole.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Time like you, said that was a sixteen point, win
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: but it was a lot.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: CLOSER a lot of that was free throws at down from,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: them island desperation threes at the end AND. Us, SO
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: i mean that game was a lot tighter and on,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: paper to, me that was the best team we played
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: all year if you looked at it on, paper like
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: who they were. Deep they were, deep they were, long
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: they were, nasty tough and. Big they Had Joey, dorsey
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: they Had Douglas, roberts they Had dozer like the they were. Big,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: yes we got where we got them at was a
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: zone defense we put in that. Week Coach marta put
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: it in with a couple of different. Rotations i'm not
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: gonna say anything just in case he's still using it
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: now With, butler but it was a design zone where
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: we rotated different than. It we started using it in
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: the second half at a certain point in the, game
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: and that was the game changer right. There we got
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: some crucial stops at the end and executed on the
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: offensive end late in the, game knocked down our free
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: throws and Again Mike Conley.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: JR i, mean what else CAN i? Say he took
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: over that game and led us to another.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Victory, well speak to that a little bit on the coaching,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: stating was it just Coach mady you had a good
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: staff as? Well oh, Yeah but it's one thing to
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: recruit the, studs the great players like you guys did
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: obviously that year, specifically but you still had you and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: your other teammates that had been there for a few.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Years but to implement a plan and obviously you know that's,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: wait that was only a one day, turner a quick
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: turn Around tennessee To. Memphis so tell me a little
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: bit about that coaching, staff Coach mada specifically to be
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: able to not only recruit but also really do the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: x's and o's up really, Well.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, man they didn't, Sleep they would NEVER i, mean
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: like that turned. AROUND i can remember And i'm going to,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: say the BEST x AND o Coach i've ever played
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: for been a part of my.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Life John. Gross Coach, gross he, was oh my, goodness.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Phenomenal when it came to game planning and game, prep
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: and he would never.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: SLEEP i mean he lived Off. Starbucks he just.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: USED i, mean you walk in his, office he's got
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Six starbucks cuts and them fall on and his head
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: down and his.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Sleep you, know he was asleep at the. Office so that,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: hours that's what people don't see as.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Well that hours these coaches put, in especially on quick
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: turnaround games like one day, turnaround you have to have
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: an entire another game plan and then for the players as.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Well on the quick, Turnaround, okay this game's, over we
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: got to lock in right, Now like we're talking two
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: hours after The tennessee, win we're watching film On memphis
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: back at the hotel right, right you, know and preparing
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: and then the next morning, breakfast more. Film then we
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: got to shoot around practice where we're going to go.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Over that's when the zone was put. In so the
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: zone was put in in thirty. Minutes, wow with that,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: rotation and that's having that high caliber players WITH, iq
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: he was able to do. That Coach mada was able
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: to do, that and they installed that zone and we
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: picked up on and we executed it and got us
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: to win.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Them John gross had a lot of success At, ohio
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: had An illinois job for a while doing great things At.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Acron now is so Coach bowles is back back at
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: au Coach mauda At Ohio. State so a lot of
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: local flavor. There now we mentioned earlier you lost To
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: georgetown the year before in the second. Round Jeff green
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: just a good wing, player, right just, eyes but also
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: speed and. Shooting you go to the foule four and
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: that's a whole build, up. RIGHT i, mean you play
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: on the weekend Against memphis PROBABLY i think A saturday,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: night and now all of a sudden you're not gonna
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: play till the whole week. Later you come home to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: great fanfare here In, columbus and, listen, PEOPLE i Have
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: state men's basketball right. Now as far as, support as
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: far as fans support and numbers isn't the, best as
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: far as like we don't fill up the shot and
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: seen center like we used to things like, That but,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: listen during those, times this is your three of coach
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: made building. SOMETHING i, mean the support was there as
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: it was back in nineteen nine nine when coach O'Brien
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: to a team the final. Four you've got a whole
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: week of everybody patting you on the. Back you got
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: people like me who didn't get to cover you all.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: YEAR i came down to the the shot for interviews
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: before you got on a plane to Find. Atlanta you
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: gotta deal with folks like, us AND i. DID i
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: talked To Danny, peters he was Coaching. Peters he was
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: a walk on on the team played for The albney here.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Locally talked To Ron, lewis talk to the local. Guys
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: tell me about the week leading up to A final,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: four because you that's something you can't prepare for without
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: having done.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: It, it's, uh it's a feeling you can't, describe kind
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: of it's like you Don't and Coach madin did a
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: great job not letting us be. Content, okay we made
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: the final, four that's not. Enough there's still more work
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: to be. Done so it was almost like he gave
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: us just enough time to do nothing where he kept us.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Busy.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Uh but the approach to it was we tried to
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: approach it like we approached any other game that we
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: were preparing for that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Week did we do? That?
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Know as the players were talking, about, man we're in
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: the final, four like you, know just to we can't
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: wait to get there someone you're so anxious to get
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: there to, play so it's hard to stay locked in
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: on what we're trying to do to prepare before we get.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: There but the week leading up to it, was uh.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Could kind of, calm honestly, calm easy shoot around practices
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: and more just.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Prep like scouting.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Reports and each, guy each player was broke, Down we
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: had all their sets, down like so the week of
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: it was more mental practices than the.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Physical when you want to be you want to be
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a little more locked in as far as if you
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: overdo it, physically you might not have the, legs, RIGHT
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: i mean that's what that comes to in. Part, now,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: listen you get to Play georgetown. Again Roy hibbert now
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: has a guy to bang into And greg godin a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: little bit different than the year. Before AND i guess
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: was it did that add to? It or when you're
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: going To found, four it doesn't matter who you play
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: because you're going to fund.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Four, well, well it added to it for, Me Ron
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: lewis And Ivin. Harris so, Yeah i'll say it added
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: to it for us because we knew what they didus
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: the previous season they ended our, year and uh so,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: yeah it was a little personal for, us but the
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: other guys, there it was just another game for, them,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: sure you, know just another game for. Them and, uh
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Greg olden that, game the two the two, games he
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: was so, Dominant. DONNESS i think that's what solidified his
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: number one pick because it was it's gonna be, hands
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: it gonna be, durant like they were back and. Forth
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: after that, weekend we knew who the number one pick
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: was gonna. Be that's how dominant he. Was and he
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: did it with he when he came back and played
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: a lot of people thought he was. Healthy now he
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: had a soft cast on his right. Hand he shot left,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: exactly so he did all this and he didn't even
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: have his right hand right so that he was again
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: a special Special so having him to bang With Roy hibbert,
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: THOUGH i mean it changed everything because we had a
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: six to eight center And Terrence files the year, before
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: and now we've got this freaking.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Nature Greg olden was seven to one who could probably
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: jump over. You it's like it was night and. Day
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and the way he dominated that game is the reason
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: we won that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Game SO i got to cover that game AND i
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: was about foul line extended straight across from your bench
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and we HAD i don't think our photographer made the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: trip To, atlanta SO i brought my camera and ended
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: up taking several pictures AND i actually GOT i got
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: yelled at because you're only allowed to take pictures from
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: underneath the. Basket so BUT i have a picture of.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Him it almost looked like a skyhook over hibberd, yep
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and the balls released AND i HAD i THINK i
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: got one of him on his big. Dunk he had
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: like atomic and it's just to see it that, close,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Right i'm two rows up from the, floor, Right oh my, Goodness,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: yes it. Was it was. Amazing and you beat them
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: sixty seven. SIXTY i covered the ninety nine final. Four
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: they lost in a close game to eventual Champion, yukon
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the highest state team, did and that that locker room
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: was almost content because they weren't expected to be there
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and all. That but but you guys were expected to,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: win and you. Did AND i remember that walker room
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: afterward being almost. Somber you, guys weren't you Weren't you
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: weren't like happy to say this is an, Accomplishment this
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: was we still got work.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: To, do still work to, do because we REMEMBER i
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: think it Was Christmas eve that year With florida to
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: us on.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Their home, court so we got after you.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Guys, yeah so we we sat and watched them play,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: first wanting them to, win and, uh probably the best
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: team we ever played, AGAINST i ever played, against and
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: they just they won the championship the year, before that
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: same team came back and they just Were they knew each,
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Other they've been, there done.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: It but.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Pretty much they just had a little bit too. Much
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: they had three bigs compared to our one time in
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: The Big.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: They beat the u c L a, team they beat,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Right Russell, Westbrook Kevin lover on that.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Team that team brought uh people Forget aaron or. Followup that's.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Right they were ANOTHER d. Team they were really.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Good this doesn't happen as much anymore because you don't
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: get the guys staying and maybe we will a little
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: more with N il and things like. That but you
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: look at those four teams and the number OF nba
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: and even you, know professional basketball players on the.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Floor, wow that's where it came off the.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Bench he, did he, did, Right you're, Right But, florida
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: you play them and you're talking About Al horford And Joe,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Noah Corey, BREWER i BELIEVE i forget the freshman who
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: was a big man for Them. Spates that's, right physically
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: looked a lot Like greg maybe even you know that's
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a TEAM i mentioned. Earlier you don't see one and
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: done teams built to win in their only year as college.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Teammates i've always, said aside from maybe that twenty Twelve
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Anthony davis team At, kentucky your team AND o, seven
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: if if you could match up with almost anybody since that,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: YEAR i think you win the national, title no. DOUBT
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: i think so as.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Well it just happened to be That gator.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Team and That gator team though again they brought everybody
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: back in a world before collectives and nil and all,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that and, yeah and you know Coach, donovan.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Right oh, goodness great.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Coach so talk about that, game and the frustrating thing
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: for fans was if you just make four more outside, shots,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: right and that still wouldn't have equaled the number you
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: averaged for the, year BECAUSE i think you only made
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: four of sixteen or whatever it, was, threes and you
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: average eight or nine threes a, game, right or maybe
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: even ten or. Eleven if you just make four more.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Shots it's just that's got to be frustrating.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: Something to this, DAY i think about random days it
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: across my, mind or how close we were to doing,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: it OR i KNOW i shot the ball. Horrible that
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: game felt like everything was in and, out in and,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: out in and, Out and to this, day LIKE i,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: said that haunts, me like IF i just would have
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: made a few, More, yeah we just would have did
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: this or did. That certain plays in that GAME i still,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: remember and it was, tough BUT i just try to tell,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: myself you, know we made.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: It we got.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: There we got to play in the last game of
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: the year against arguably one of the best college basketball teams.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: EVER i think you're, Right, yeah and.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: It's hard to.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Beat one of the best basketball teams, ever you, Know
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: so we were blessed to get, there but it Was
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: to this, Day i'm sure my teammates on that team
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: tell you the. Same they think about, It they still
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: think about.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: It, yeah, absolutely absolutely so the fallout, though you, know
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: you say goodbye to. Seniors So ron And, ivan, right they're, Gone,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: yeah and Then greg was kind of we Know greg's,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: leaving Mentioned. CONLEY i don't know that he would have
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: left had he not had that over time Against xavier
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: in the games, following and then you've got Day kwon
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: who makes the decision to, leave, Right so you're coming
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: back and all of a, sudden it had to feel
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: very familiar because you're Adding John, Deebler Evan, Turner Dallas,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Lauderdale Eric, WALLS. Pj, hill And Costa. Koufas, right you've
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: got to welcome in all these freshmen. Again, yeah what
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Was what was that season like for you individually but
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: also for the? Team you end up twenty four and,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: thirteen ten and eight in the. League it just. What
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: it never felt like it came in.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Sync it didn't come in saying like we we were super.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Young we were.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: YOUNG i was coming back from the junior year in
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: the run we had my senior. Year i'm looking, Like,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: okay we Got, Kufas, Dabler, turner we had some good
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: guys coming.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: In i'm, like we should we should be? Dacent will
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: it be like the previous? Year?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: No, well we had some work to, do, absolutely but
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: it WAS i was that was a long. Season that
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: was a long season for. Me it was, tough especially
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: coming off the season we had. Prior so that that's
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: what made it so. TOUGH i just felt like we
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: never came together as a unit like we we had
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: so many separate little cliques or which whatever you want
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: to call.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: It to. Wear we were never a, team is WHAT
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: i want to. Say we were never a.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Team we didn't have that a good leadership across the.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: BOARD i, TRIED i, tried but it was just it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: hard with a young group like.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: That that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: What struggled during games when the lights were on was
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: WHAT i would, say, practice you come up, unbelievable. Unbelievable
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: if you remember De bler that, year he didn't shoot
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: it very well freshman, YEAR i can relate to. THAT
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: i kind of was the same way ended up being
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: an all time leader In big ten, history you know
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: WHAT i. Mean so it's almost if we'd have one more,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: year you, know to get them, READY i think we
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: could have had something special.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Again, well And turner Eventual National player of The. Year but,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: yeah he was pretty raw coming.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: IN i, think, yeah he was very raw coming. In
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: BUT i Knew evan was gonna be something special as.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: WELL i remember telling him his freshman. Year he was
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: going through it and there was times where He i'm,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: Quitting i'm leaving walking out of, practice And i'm, Like,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: evan you're going to be, fine. Relaxed just keep showing,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: up keep showing, up doing your. Job you're going to be.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Fine And Coaster crucis was so different, Too like he
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: would let guys get past him and block him from.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Behind it was, like, yeah that looks so.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Weird, yeah he was a DIFFERENT i wouldn't used to
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: to playing with a big like, him the style he.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Played he wanted to play on the.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Perimeter, YEAH i used to playing With Terrence dills WHERE
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: i can you, know he's a post bri he would
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: jump hooking And Greg olden same. Thing he wanted to
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: pick and pop and shoot. Three so it was that
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: was an adjustment as. Well but Again coaster was a special.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Player son who can handle, it shoot. It he was
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: another special.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Player he's one and. Done so he definitely did a
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: great job. There you led the league and assists with
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: five point nine a game and your average, fifteen your
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: first team all big ten is a. Senior that's got
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to be an accomplishment that you're proud.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Of oh, yeah, definitely definitely an accomplishment for short That
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: i'm proud. Of BUT i ought have. BEEN i wanted
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Another big ten, title you, know get me A big ten.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Title the single, ACCOMPLISHMENTS i mean it's great and, all
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: but and again that goes back To. Madi he had
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: it was about. Us NOW i you, know it's it's about.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Us like we were like, this everybody's going everybody's gonna
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: eat is what we used to. Say you playing on,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: selfish just just play everybody's gonna.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Eat and.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: That's Something Coach model did a great job of just
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: having everybody just play together on selfish, basketball and it
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: led on through his entire.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Career now before we shift to maybe post, COLLEGE i
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: meant to look this up AND i don't know if
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: EVEN i could find, It but did you did you
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: have a double double that? Year it was assists and? Rebounds,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah like you might have had zero or two points
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: in the whole, game, yeah but you had double digit
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: assists and. Rebounds do you remember who was against and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: where was?
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: That northwestern at?
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Home, okay talk about, Frustrating AND i didn't KNOW i
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: had that many, rebounds that many assists and come to
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: the locker room after the. Game we, Won so But
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: i'm still, like when's the last TIME i played a
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: basketball game but didn't score a. Point you, Know i'm,
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: LIKE i didn't. Score, NOW i didn't even hit a free,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: throw you know, WHAT i missed two free. Throws i'm,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: like what's going? On And Coach modder called me. Over he, said,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: look look at you that. Line AND i looked AND
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: i Saw he's, like you had a double.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Double.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: OKAY i felt a little better than it was, like
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: and that's like he, SAID i just like far as
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: you don't have to score the ball to take over a.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Game he, said you took over that. Game you didn't
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: even score the.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Basketball, YEAH i feel LIKE i was at that game
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: AND i was kind of in the zoner in the.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Corner i'm looking at it and, like this is a
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: weird game because it's just you were but bringing in
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: the younger guys and facultating and all, that and then
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: for you to get rebounds like that double digit rebound
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: game for a guard like.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: You my only game At Ohio, state BRO i had
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: double digit.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Rebounds, well, hey BEFORE i let you, go you PLAYED
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: i think four or five years. Overseas what was that?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Like and certainly, kids even even a kid like myself
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: at one Point i'd like to play in THE. NBA
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: i was never going to make, it but BUT i
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: know you you had to be gratified to know you
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  Speaker 2: were a professional basketball. Player what were what were those
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  Speaker 2: seasons like for? You and and and share that with.
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  Speaker 3: Us.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, honestly that was some of the toughest years of basketball. Play,
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  Speaker 4: yeah because when you go To europe to, play it's
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  Speaker 4: one of those situations you have to find the right,
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  Speaker 4: team the right situation because you'll look at that kind
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  Speaker 4: track and it looked. Nice you're, like, Oh i'm getting
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  Speaker 4: paid to play the GAME i, love which is a
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  Speaker 4: blessing you. Get you get paid to play at the blessing,
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  Speaker 4: regardless but you signed that contract and you get situations
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  Speaker 4: where you don't get, paid or the team of two
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  Speaker 4: games before the end of the see it well shut
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  Speaker 4: down and you don't hear from. Them i've been in
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  Speaker 4: some situations where the team just DISAPPEARS gm president of the.
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  Speaker 4: Team so that was that was Some it was some
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  Speaker 4: of the toughest basketball in years of basketball THAT i
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  Speaker 4: THAT i had to. Play BUT i did have a
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  Speaker 4: couple of good countries Like. Serbia WHEN i went and
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  Speaker 4: played FOR, KKK i won a championship. There uh that
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  Speaker 4: was that was, great just the level of basketball that
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  Speaker 4: how hard those guys. Play it's not LIKE i don't
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  Speaker 4: know how to explain. It they don't take plays. Off
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  Speaker 4: they take pride. Day every single possession. Matters and it
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  Speaker 4: was some of the toughest basketball played far as like
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  Speaker 4: on the, court there was definitely some of the toughest
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  Speaker 4: basketball played. There germany was a good place And. Italy
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  Speaker 4: those are the three countries WHERE i can say it
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  Speaker 4: was a good high level. Basketball but the toughest Place Puerto,
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  Speaker 4: rico my, goodness like it's guard city over.
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  Speaker 3: There, yeah but guards over.
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  Speaker 4: There so but my professional the side of my professional,
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  Speaker 4: CAREER i would like for it to be, different for
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  Speaker 4: it to go, Different but at the same, TIME i.
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  Speaker 4: Can't BAL i made some mistakes myself that that kind
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  Speaker 4: of set back my career as, well SO i. Can't
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  Speaker 4: LIKE i, SAID i was blessed to play after, college
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  Speaker 4: got to make a little money playing the, game SO
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  Speaker 4: i MEAN i was. Blessed but, yeah those are some
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  Speaker 4: of the darkest times in my basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Career understand takes a lot of self, motivation and especially
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  Speaker 2: places where they don't speak Much.
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  Speaker 3: English you either love. It, yeah you hated AND i was.
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  Speaker 3: ONE i really didn't Love europe like.
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  Speaker 4: That, sure your place to visit for a couple of,
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  Speaker 4: weeks but to spend ten months out of the year
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  Speaker 4: for four or five, Years it'll be in some dark
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  Speaker 4: places at, times no.
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  Speaker 2: Doubt BUT i know you've done some coaching and training
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  Speaker 2: with young. People what's it like to share the game
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  Speaker 2: of basketball with kids now that you're a full fledged.
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  Speaker 2: ADULTON i love.
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  Speaker 4: It that's WHERE I that's WHAT i think my calling. Was,
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  Speaker 4: Like i'm doing exactly What i'm supposed to be. Doing
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  Speaker 4: i'm right Where i'm supposed to be a director of
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  Speaker 4: sports at The Southwest Florida wise And, venice Where i'll
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  Speaker 4: do with nothing but the youth around basketball, camps, CLINICS
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  Speaker 4: i personal TRAIN i have my own GIRLS aau basketball
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  Speaker 4: program Sos, elite And i'm also the head assistant varsity
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: basketball coach At. Venice, okay which we probably the football
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  Speaker 4: program needs to get out. Here we got a couple
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  Speaker 4: guys out here In. Venice i'm sure you know About
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  Speaker 4: Venice High school and their.
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  Speaker 3: Football, YEAH i got a couple of GUYS i might
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  Speaker 3: want to come check.
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  Speaker 2: Out, Yeah, no, doubt no. Doubt i've actually a local
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  Speaker 2: broadcaster here In. Columbus Neil sika has A they have
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  Speaker 2: a family home down in Vintaged. May you'll have to
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  Speaker 2: check you guys out and let the coaches up here
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  Speaker 2: know for. Sure, well, Hey, jamar thanks so much for
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  Speaker 2: all your. Time it's been great catching up with you
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  Speaker 2: and getting to share your story. Again such you were
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  Speaker 2: kind of like a bridge between COACH O brian and
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Coach mada between obviously that Six Big ten champion team
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  Speaker 2: and then The final fourteen the next. Year you were
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  Speaker 2: one of the key guys to help make all this.
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  Speaker 2: Happen So Buckeye nation appreciates, you AND i wanted to
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  Speaker 2: sit down and talk with you today and have these.
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  Speaker 2: Memories it's been.
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  Speaker 3: GREAT i appreciate you having me all.
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