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Detroit's Tarik Skubal Situation · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm kieren
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Speaker 1: S Deckley with me as always a man who's got
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Speaker 1: a lot of time on his hands. Now, the TikTok's
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Speaker 1: not a thing.
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Speaker 2: He is David, and I never signed up for TikTok here,
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Speaker 2: never did it. But speaking of time, how long is
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Speaker 2: this bregmant thing in the Dragon? I mean, how many
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Speaker 2: more weeks are we going to be on here talking
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Speaker 2: about Alex Bregman without any real news or real updates.
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Speaker 2: It is mid January now, the Detroit Lions are out
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Speaker 2: of the playoffs, although earlier than expected, and we're still
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Speaker 2: talking about Alex Bregman. And I think the question the
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Speaker 2: talking point here the longer this goes on, are the
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Speaker 2: tigers chances getting better or are they getting worse? Your thoughts, Well,
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Speaker 2: here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: Nothing really has happened, so they're not getting They're not
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Speaker 1: getting better or worse. In my opinion, I kind of
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Speaker 1: feel like it's a flatline possibility. Uh, maybe that's a
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Speaker 1: boring answer. If you want to say, less market interest
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Speaker 1: or less availability of teams to sign him, is it
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Speaker 1: kind of gotten it's gotten better since the season ended?
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Speaker 1: I think we can we can say that for sure,
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Speaker 1: But it's the same it's been since uh Winter meetings.
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Speaker 1: Has anything really happened tangibly the effect that since winter meetings?
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Speaker 1: Uh So, it's it's the same now if you want
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Speaker 1: to like microcosm it a little bit technically it's gotten
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Speaker 1: a little bit better these past couple of days because
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Speaker 1: this kind of floated out possibility of the Chicago Cubs
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Speaker 1: kind of coming here and and kind of screwed it
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Speaker 1: up for everybody who thought that they had a decent
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Speaker 1: shot at a decent rate. That seems to be no
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Speaker 1: and void if people that see this. Bob Nightingale and
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Speaker 1: some others like reported that the Cubs are looking at
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Speaker 1: internal and filling their third base need with internal options.
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Speaker 2: So there's a little bigg.
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Speaker 1: Over room there, but I would say indications are there
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Speaker 1: out and so that leaves Tigers, Red Sox, Blue Jays,
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Speaker 1: same three teams that we've basically been talking about since
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Speaker 1: the since the Houston Astros and Chicago Cubs did that
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Speaker 1: deal that involved old friend estoc Preddy's. Uh so, are
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Speaker 1: they better? They're better than they were, I guess thirty
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Speaker 1: six hours ago. But we're still back to where we
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Speaker 1: were two weeks ago, three weeks ago, four weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: five weeks ago. And I'll be honest with you, I
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Speaker 1: both hate and love the fact that we get to
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Speaker 1: do this because it is kind of exciting to have
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Speaker 1: the possibility still out there. But we but there is
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Speaker 1: a disturbing lack of real things out there about Brighton.
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Speaker 1: So like they also liverport out this week, and I
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Speaker 1: did vet it fully, but you know, A got onto
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Speaker 1: the twitter sphere that he's not going to consider a
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Speaker 1: short term deal, which is something that we had talked
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Speaker 1: about a lot as like that's where the Tigers could
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Speaker 1: excuse the pun, pounce, but it if Bregman is not
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Speaker 1: taking a short term deal, that makes me think that
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Speaker 1: the Tigers are their chances are lower if Bregman is
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Speaker 1: not going to consider a short term deal, because it's
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Speaker 1: hard for me to envision the Tigers right now giving
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Speaker 1: the six, seven hundred, you know whatever these numbers are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they both I wouldn't say they're you know,
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Speaker 2: out or anything by any means, but I would think
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Speaker 2: that percentages are slowly kind of trending downward. The short
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Speaker 2: term deal or lack thereof comment came from Scott Boris.
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Speaker 2: I believe it is at the Corbyn Burns press conference,
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Speaker 2: and he said that they're really not considering that with Bregman.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know what to believe. Just because the
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Speaker 2: Cubs say they're looking at internal options, is that a
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Speaker 2: negotiating ploy. Is Boris saying they won't consider a short
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Speaker 2: er deal some sort of negotiating ploy. Is it just
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Speaker 2: a you know, if it's just a stare down and
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Speaker 2: the Red Sox and the Tigers are all just standing
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Speaker 2: there looking at each other, like what's going to eventually
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Speaker 2: tip the scales? I don't know. I think the door
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Speaker 2: remains open for another team to swoop in. It is
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Speaker 2: worth considering. And I think Ken Rosenthal wrote this that
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Speaker 2: seems don't really aren't as likely as we might think
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Speaker 2: to like make huge payroll splashes, you know, after spring
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Speaker 2: training has already started. You know, there select few cases
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Speaker 2: Bright Harper a few years ago, et cetera where that
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Speaker 2: could stage. But you know, teams like to have their
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Speaker 2: roster set and their payroll set. But the longer this
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Speaker 2: goes on, like I guess that's the question. So why
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Speaker 2: is this going on if he's not going to consider
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Speaker 2: a shorter term deal. Do we really think someone's gonna
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Speaker 2: up their offer if they haven't already. I am not
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Speaker 2: so sure, but it does remain a little bit of
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Speaker 2: a weird circumstance. Not a lot of tangible updates. I'll
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Speaker 2: be curious to see if anything changes. And let's say
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Speaker 2: the next week. Because Roki Sasaki has signed, he did
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Speaker 2: sign with the Dodgers. Tanner Scott has signed. He signed
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Speaker 2: with the Dodgers. That's the pitching market may or may
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Speaker 2: not be related. But some teams, the Toronto Blue Jays
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Speaker 2: that keep missing out on everybody, like, does this alter
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Speaker 2: their thinking where they're maneuvering at all? And how will
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Speaker 2: teams respond now that Sasaki is off the board? I
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Speaker 2: think will be something to watch in the next week
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Speaker 2: or so.
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Speaker 1: If I could ask Bregman one question that would lead
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Speaker 1: to a series of like thoughtful discussions. One of them
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Speaker 1: would be, do you have a relationship with Chris Bryant?
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Speaker 1: Because Chris Bryant also boris client. Also, you know a
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Speaker 1: third baseman of trade, right. He admitted has since admitted
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Speaker 1: that he didn't really fully vet the team he's currently
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Speaker 1: on when he signed his contract with the Rockies. Now, look,
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Speaker 1: I don't begrudge anybody for trying to maximize their labor value,
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Speaker 1: so this is not like a criticism, but he more
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Speaker 1: or less admitted that it's not the most happy of situations.
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Speaker 1: You know, playing on the currently constructed Colorado Rockies. You say, like,
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Speaker 1: is there a team out there that could do it?
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Speaker 1: Like there is a team out there that might just
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Speaker 1: give Bregman the desire contract. And then is he going to,
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Speaker 1: like in his thirties, you know, playing on a team
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Speaker 1: that wins seventy games and that's a good year.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and especially more so than Chris Brian is not
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Speaker 2: going to enjoy that. I mean, I think they're very
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Speaker 2: different personalities. I have no idea if they have a
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Speaker 2: relationship or whatever, but no, that's an interesting comparison, and
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Speaker 2: I think Bregman's values are going to be a lot.
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Speaker 2: You know, Chris Bryant kind of wanted to be close
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Speaker 2: to home, and I don't think he ever really loved
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Speaker 2: the huge spotlight. And these are reasons he signed with
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Speaker 2: the Rockies. That never made any sense at the time, Like,
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Speaker 2: I don't know where Bregman's gonna end up. But I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna do something that random. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you're asked, if you're comparing the Rockies and the
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Speaker 2: Blue Jays, that gets interesting. Blue Jays have a little
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Speaker 2: bit more going for him, But it's very possible to
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Speaker 2: see that situation out looking good in five years.
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Speaker 1: Well they five years, try like a year and a
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Speaker 1: half too, I mean like like like that, I don't.
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Speaker 1: The Blue Jays seemed to me like a team that
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Speaker 1: lacks direction a little bit. Maybe that's just me being
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Speaker 1: too macro, but like they they didn't get a good
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Speaker 1: start for my opinion of them. With the Bashett like
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Speaker 1: things that they're trickling out there. It's like, well listen,
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Speaker 1: but it's gonna have to be then I'm just making
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Speaker 1: up words here, but like they more or less, it's
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Speaker 1: gonna have to be like a grandfather offer to get
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Speaker 1: Bashett and then you like look at the numbers and
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, then I hope you're happy with him
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Speaker 1: on your.
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Speaker 2: Team next year, because no one's given you anything close
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Speaker 2: to that.
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Speaker 1: Uh for Bachette, a guy who overall I like, but
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Speaker 1: so I'm not like Chris Baschett, but I just felt
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Speaker 1: like it was kind of weird to put that out there.
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Speaker 1: And then you know, Vlad Junior pretty much everybody's expecting
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Speaker 1: him to not be on the team in the near
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Speaker 1: future in some fashion. So like, again, you could go
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Speaker 1: into an unstable situation that doesn't apply to the Red Sox.
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Speaker 1: It did my Red Sox thing last week, but like
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox like at least offers stability, and I
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Speaker 1: think the Tigers offer stability. So I I just I
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Speaker 1: almost worry for Bregman, like like like I worry that
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Speaker 1: this is this could be a misplayed hand, and we've
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Speaker 1: seen that happens.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a little too aggressive to like turn
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Speaker 2: on Scott Boyer saying he's having another terrible offseason because
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Speaker 2: plenty of Boors clients, not just Wan Soto, have done well.
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Speaker 2: But Bregman, maybe you should have taken that offer from
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Speaker 2: the astros Man. Like, the longer this goes on, the
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Speaker 2: chances of him beating that offer, I do think are
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Speaker 2: declining by the day. So we'll check back next time
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Speaker 2: on as Alex Bregman's world turns. Let's let's get to
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Speaker 2: the real news here and the Tigers some big signings
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Speaker 2: this week, n viral knuckleballer Thomas Nido, veteran catching depth.
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Speaker 2: You know, let's go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately it happened too recent for Vegas to upgrade
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Speaker 1: the the win loss over under odds after those signings.
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Speaker 1: But but but yeah, look and we'll talk why, like
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Speaker 1: Nido like might actually have a role on this team
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Speaker 1: here here in a little bit. But the Kenny Surwa
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Speaker 1: thing is fun. Like in case, in case you're not
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Speaker 1: on on social media obsessed as we are, is a
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Speaker 1: guy who has two versions of a knuckleball. There's videos
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Speaker 1: of him just like putting these bullpen catchers in the
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Speaker 1: fits and you know, he allegedly has like five other
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Speaker 1: pitches that he can throw or whatever, and Tigers signed
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Speaker 1: him to a minor league deal.
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Speaker 2: His knuckleball touches is a knuckleball that touches like eighty five,
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Speaker 2: which is kind of crazy and pretty cool to watch
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Speaker 2: on the film.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it is fun, and I think I
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Speaker 1: read that eighty four is the highest and knuckleball has
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Speaker 1: ever been thrown in the major leagues. So if I'm
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Speaker 1: staightly often that I apologize, But it's like in that
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Speaker 1: realm so it's fun.
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Speaker 2: It's fun.
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Speaker 1: This will it's going to provide content for you, Cody,
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Speaker 1: or at least entertainment for you over in Lakeland to
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Speaker 1: kind of see this guy throw live. Not going to
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Speaker 1: put any expectations on it. But if this isn't he's
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Speaker 1: been playing independent ball for a couple of years, so
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Speaker 1: if this is an example of outside the box thinking,
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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of outside the box thinking. It's
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Speaker 1: a minor league deal, see what happens, you know, Like,
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Speaker 1: admittedly I did kind of go back to kick Delicious
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Speaker 1: when he had his training camp and preseason with the Lions,
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Speaker 1: but that was still fun at the time. So like,
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Speaker 1: you know, like it's obviously very low stakes, but like
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Speaker 1: I think it, it might be it might be kind
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Speaker 1: of cool at least to see if this guy has anything.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm always gonna be in favor
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Speaker 1: of unorthodox dudes like finding a way to kind of
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Speaker 1: keep chasing their dreams. So good for him for getting
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Speaker 1: a major league team to sign him to a contract,
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Speaker 1: when by this time a lot of people probably give
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Speaker 1: up the dream. So he's give me the dream alive.
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Speaker 1: More credit to you. Be interested to see what happens.
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Speaker 1: I don't expect him to be pitching in the ALDS
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Speaker 1: next year.
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Speaker 2: You know, Kenney Serve was only twenty seven. He had
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Speaker 2: a four point two to two eer and Independent League
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Speaker 2: last year. But for a knuckleballer, he really doesn't limit walks.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure the Tigers liked that about him. Look, this
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Speaker 2: guy is definitely the Tigers are going to bring him
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Speaker 2: to a split split squad. He's gonna pitch in like
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Speaker 2: clear water. He's gonna get Trey Turner to one hop
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Speaker 2: to the mound. He's gonna strike out Bryce Harper, Kyl
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Speaker 2: Schwerber is gonna pull the ball four hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: feet foul and then strike out. And people are gonna
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Speaker 2: be like Kenny sur when needs to be on the
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Speaker 2: big league. Rosser, Well, that's what I'm talking about with
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Speaker 2: entertainment value. If you have a four e r and
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Speaker 2: independent league, it's tough for me to actually get hype
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Speaker 2: in reality, but hey, I'm gonna want to watch this
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Speaker 2: guy's bullpen, all right. It's it's it's certainly interesting.
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Speaker 1: If nothing else, I'm also gonna be curious to see
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Speaker 1: and hear aj when he had when he when he
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Speaker 1: talks about it because AJ is gonna do this thing
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Speaker 1: where he's really good at where he like plays into
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Speaker 1: like you know, plays into why people are asking about it,
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Speaker 1: but also kind of giving some sort of realism answer.
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Speaker 1: So how he juggles that it'll be I'm telling you
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a master.
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Speaker 2: Oh it will. I see the videos just like you, guys.
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Speaker 2: I love you know, I was watching the videos. I
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Speaker 2: don't believe Servera has an invite to big league camps.
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Speaker 2: We may not actually see much of him, you know, physically,
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Speaker 2: you may not see much of him in the press.
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Speaker 1: So well, okay, here in a second, we're going to
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Speaker 1: go into some some what if scenarios for the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: I had some some things going through my head where
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Speaker 1: you know, I.
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Speaker 2: Was just like.
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Speaker 1: What if this is the thing and it's not gonna
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Speaker 1: be good, or or just like anxiety waiting for some
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Speaker 1: sort of resolution, uh in regards to to this Tigers team.
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Speaker 1: And it was kind of inspired. I was watching the
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Speaker 1: Pistons game yesterday and you see Tech schoolball there at
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Speaker 1: the game, and you know, he's he's mister Detroit in
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, like he's got you know, he's gone,
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Speaker 1: He's gone to every sporting event that that there is
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Speaker 1: around town, and and he deserves it. He deserves to
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Speaker 1: be the toast of the town for the season that
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Speaker 1: he had. You know, but what if, Cody, what if
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Speaker 1: we're in the midst of a two year TEK run
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Speaker 1: and we don't know it yet. So the the extension
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Speaker 1: thing has, you know, played, it's off out like this offseason.
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Speaker 1: We never expected anything substantial to happen there. There's been
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Speaker 1: some reporting that an offer was put towards Schooble. Uh,
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Speaker 1: I would wager that with two years of team control,
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Speaker 1: that was probably not the most formal of realistic offers.
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Speaker 1: That would just be my guess. But so I'm not
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Speaker 1: disputing the reporting, but I don't think they gave him
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Speaker 1: like something that Scott had to.
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Speaker 2: Like this typically how these things work is how I
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Speaker 2: view that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, so the Tigers will continue to have this
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Speaker 1: question until something happens of you know, will you extend him?
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Speaker 1: Should you extend him? There was a poll It's like
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Speaker 1: if you only can choose one I think Tiger's turmoil
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Speaker 1: played on Twitter, If you only choose one, you know,
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Speaker 1: is it? You know, would you extend Riley extend Schooble.
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Speaker 1: We don't have to talk about that now, but like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying that this is on people's minds.
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Speaker 1: So like what if what if the reality of the
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Speaker 1: situation is you're looking at one and a half hears,
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Speaker 1: one year more of Tarrek Schouogl in Detroit and we
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Speaker 1: just don't know it yet and we'll look back and
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Speaker 1: be like, maybe we should have been more sharper to this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know. What if, Karen, what if
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Speaker 2: we're looking at half a year. I wrote this a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago a reason I think the Tigers
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Speaker 2: should be aggressive and the Bregmant pursuit or whatever else.
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Speaker 2: You still have a very young team for as many
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Speaker 2: good things are going on in this organization, and I
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Speaker 2: don't want this to be taking the wrong legs. The
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Speaker 2: Tigers are in a great spot organizationally. What if you
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Speaker 2: get off to a slow start. What if you know,
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Speaker 2: you have a couple what if Riley Green gets hurt
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Speaker 2: and you have another injury, like a couple of the
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Speaker 2: wrong injuries, and Trey Sweeney just doesn't crack it at
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Speaker 2: shortstop and Parker Meadows the bad is okay, but not
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Speaker 2: like all star level, like summer hoping and quote Keith
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Speaker 2: doesn't quite like. What if you are five hundred or
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Speaker 2: slightly below at the trade deadline and one of these
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Speaker 2: random the ale central teams, the Royals is running away
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Speaker 2: with the division and you're basically out of it. You
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Speaker 2: know what we're gonna hear all over all over again.
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Speaker 2: So the Tigers trade school or the Tiger's gonna trade schooble.
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Speaker 2: All the rumors and a lot of that last year
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Speaker 2: was coming from the outside was more of a media
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Speaker 2: fabrication than I think was reality. But the deeper we
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Speaker 2: get into this, like it's going to have to become
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Speaker 2: a reality. As the Tigers look at this, we're gonna
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Speaker 2: get more like whispers on whatever offers Schooble does or
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Speaker 2: does not consider. Like I keep saying this, no one
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Speaker 2: in baseball thinks the Tigers are going to be able
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Speaker 2: to do Centerk Schooble. It would require Schooble making a
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Speaker 2: very unique decision on his own that he just really
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Speaker 2: wanted to stay in Detroit, which, like, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: maybe that could be possible, but not usually the way
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Speaker 2: business works, especially when you're dealing with a Scott Boors client.
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Speaker 2: The chances of this happening, at least without playing the
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Speaker 2: open market, Like even if you know something I mentioned
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Speaker 2: like the Godfather offers I don't know, say the Tigers
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Speaker 2: offering four hundred and eighty millions something stupid, still like, okay,
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Speaker 2: well let's take that free agency and let's see if
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers want to beat it. Lets see if the
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Speaker 2: Yankees want to beat it. It's like that's the Scott
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Speaker 2: Boris line of thought, and I that's likely what's going
19:20
Speaker 2: to happen. So it does raise real questions. You have
19:25
Speaker 2: two years with Trek'schoogle. Yeah, you have other talented players,
19:28
Speaker 2: you have Jackson job on the rise, you have a
19:30
Speaker 2: young core that should be setting you up for some
19:32
Speaker 2: sustainable success. At the same time, I'll go back to
19:36
Speaker 2: the lion of this proof, like, winning it all is
19:39
Speaker 2: really hard, and in my opinion, that should be the
19:42
Speaker 2: ultimate goal every year to win it all. You got
19:46
Speaker 2: to really try to maximize three years of Trek's Schooble
19:49
Speaker 2: in my opinion. And yeah, if a couple of things
19:52
Speaker 2: go wrong, man, I they could, we're going to there's
19:57
Speaker 2: a world where we're dealing with this all over again
19:59
Speaker 2: at the deadline. And then even if things go well,
20:02
Speaker 2: but they really don't think they can extend Schooble next offseason,
20:05
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to think long and hard about trading him,
20:08
Speaker 2: as the Brewers did with corborn Burns. It's not fun
20:13
Speaker 2: to talk about because School is such a great guy.
20:15
Speaker 2: I mean, I listened to the podcast he did with
20:17
Speaker 2: Iron Willed, and like, he's so thoughtful, he's so you know,
20:21
Speaker 2: he's overcome a lot. He's he's a great personality. He's
20:24
Speaker 2: great for this city, and he's great for this team,
20:26
Speaker 2: and you wish he could be around forever, but that's
20:29
Speaker 2: probably not reality. We're probably taking that for granted a
20:35
Speaker 2: little bit right now, and it's it's hard not.
20:37
Speaker 1: To, you know, it just occurred to me that there's
20:42
Speaker 1: an there's an argument that could be made that if
20:48
Speaker 1: you do trade him for a Hall this summer next offseason.
20:53
Speaker 2: The Hall is better the earlier you do it, which
20:56
Speaker 2: isn't a fun conversation.
20:57
Speaker 1: That has a fun conversation, but there's there's probably probably
21:00
Speaker 1: some like third party analytical mindset out there that it
21:04
Speaker 1: might be the best use of school. Bol uh, Like yeah.
21:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different way.
21:11
Speaker 1: I'm not time, I don't want I want to go.
21:14
Speaker 1: I'm not a long time, but like that, are.
21:17
Speaker 2: You trade school? I'm just letting out the reality.
21:23
Speaker 1: Well, and also the reality is that as awesome as
21:26
Speaker 1: it is to have a young core that you believe in,
21:28
Speaker 1: and as awesome as it is to keep having this, uh,
21:33
Speaker 1: this highly ranked farm system with you know, nineteen to
21:36
Speaker 1: twenty year olds that you're enamored with, it also makes
21:40
Speaker 1: things a little murky about like when your peak window
21:45
Speaker 1: is it just does it just does because I can
21:49
Speaker 1: I couldn't answer you right now when the Tiger's peak
21:51
Speaker 1: window is, you know, like, I don't know.
21:54
Speaker 2: That's a that's a weird fluid discussion. Something we talked
21:57
Speaker 2: about a lot last summer and probably ended up being
22:00
Speaker 2: wrong one because they went on a crazy run and out,
22:03
Speaker 2: Like it looks like they can be competitive right now,
22:05
Speaker 2: but like these are these are certainly real questions. I
22:13
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, now it's like there's a window right now,
22:15
Speaker 2: right in front of you, is what it seems like.
22:17
Speaker 2: But like I said that, that conversation could flip if
22:20
Speaker 2: a couple of things go wrong in the first half
22:22
Speaker 2: of this year.
22:25
Speaker 1: Well another what if that? That kind of crossed my mind.
22:30
Speaker 1: Cody was like, if you're something like if you don't
22:36
Speaker 1: believe Tork is done, like you the hypothetically you if
22:39
Speaker 1: you don't believe Tork is done and you and you've
22:43
Speaker 1: invested these resources into him that that we've talked about
22:46
Speaker 1: into like you know, trying to make his body move
22:49
Speaker 1: a little bit better, a little bit more fluidly, all
22:51
Speaker 1: the you know, kinesiology aspects of it. Uh, transfer a
22:55
Speaker 1: power that's gonna be a big word this week, that
22:57
Speaker 1: transfer a power in the batter's box. What if he
23:03
Speaker 1: could get something like his twenty twenty three season offensively
23:07
Speaker 1: when he I'm not even talking about like the thirty
23:09
Speaker 1: home runs, but the he was a one point nine
23:13
Speaker 1: so basically a two war offensive player that year offensively,
23:18
Speaker 1: just offense, just for the record, That's all I'm talking
23:20
Speaker 1: about here. And if that still exists somewhere now, it's
23:27
Speaker 1: set up that we really won't be able to know
23:31
Speaker 1: because as of now, there's not really a spot for
23:33
Speaker 1: him on the major league roster. If there was a
23:35
Speaker 1: spot for him on the major league roster, there's not
23:37
Speaker 1: a steady amount of bad bats available for him on
23:40
Speaker 1: the major league team, And then we have to do
23:42
Speaker 1: this toledle thing all over again in terms of like
23:45
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's actually going on here. Uh So,
23:50
Speaker 1: like there stands a possibility that Torque unlocks something and
23:56
Speaker 1: we won't be able to know and it will not
23:59
Speaker 1: help the Tigers in twenty twenty five, Like what if?
24:04
Speaker 2: What if? Yeah? I mean, well, these are reasons you
24:07
Speaker 2: keep him in the organization. He's a reason they're not
24:10
Speaker 2: defating him or looking to trade him because maybe there
24:13
Speaker 2: is something. There have been some whispers here in a
24:16
Speaker 2: Spencer Torklesim toe tap, which I think we've been calling
24:21
Speaker 2: for for like two years, some kind of like loading
24:23
Speaker 2: timing mechanism. But if this is true, like people are
24:26
Speaker 2: getting excited about Spencer Torkleson already and we're not even
24:30
Speaker 2: too spring training yet. He's a talented enough guy that
24:35
Speaker 2: it's interesting. But yeah, am I wrong that there's just
24:40
Speaker 2: like no path to a roster spot for him? Like?
24:43
Speaker 2: Am I wrong in that? Thinking?
24:46
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, as soon as Scott Harris said that they're
24:49
Speaker 1: not looking at him to do anything else defensively, that
24:52
Speaker 1: kind of was a wrap in my mind.
24:54
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, it would be a departure of
24:57
Speaker 2: everything we know from Scott Harrison AJ Hinch to Harry
25:00
Speaker 2: a right handed hitting first baseman DH only it just
25:05
Speaker 2: would not make much sense. So it's going to take
25:09
Speaker 2: an injury. And then that leads just to another fun
25:13
Speaker 2: hypothetical world where torkal Sen's hitting three hundred and dropping
25:17
Speaker 2: bombs every day in Toledo and people on Twitter are
25:19
Speaker 2: losing their minds and they're still not going to call
25:23
Speaker 2: them up because it just wouldn't fit the construction of
25:26
Speaker 2: their roster.
25:29
Speaker 1: So again I say, like you have a guy that is,
25:34
Speaker 1: you know, still approaching his physical prime, and like you
25:41
Speaker 1: don't really know what you have there. So it's like
25:43
Speaker 1: keep them in the organization, sure, but it also I
25:48
Speaker 1: just I fail to see the way that he can
25:51
Speaker 1: be properly evaluated as to whether he could contribute, because
25:55
Speaker 1: the whole thing about another Yeah.
25:59
Speaker 2: We know Triple A is not really going to at
26:02
Speaker 2: least like the surface stuff on in Triple A is
26:04
Speaker 2: not gonna help us.
26:05
Speaker 1: Another piece of this is that Torre is on a
26:08
Speaker 1: one year deal and Scott Harris in that same press
26:11
Speaker 1: availability said that we don't know what we're gonna do
26:14
Speaker 1: with Colt Keith, like positionally after twenty twenty five. Now
26:20
Speaker 1: they probably some idea scenarios. That's their job, but they're
26:24
Speaker 1: not gonna They are not beholden to have to keep
26:28
Speaker 1: cold Keith at first base beyond this season based on
26:32
Speaker 1: contracts and you know, player availability and all those things.
26:36
Speaker 1: So like does like the maybe Torque has the come
26:41
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty six, Like I don't know, like
26:44
Speaker 1: like probably not, probably not. We've seen the at bats,
26:47
Speaker 1: the number, like we we understand all this but it's good. Like,
26:52
Speaker 1: how are you gonna be able to evaluate a guy
26:54
Speaker 1: who has yet who's not gonna turn twenty six until August.
26:59
Speaker 2: I'm actually somewhat shocked Tigers aren't just hitting them some flyballs.
27:08
Speaker 2: Maybe they that's just putting too much on his plate
27:11
Speaker 2: right now. But that was a whisper in September for
27:14
Speaker 2: like five seconds that maybe work left field could be
27:20
Speaker 2: a thing in twenty twenty five. And it's not. But
27:23
Speaker 2: I'm kind of surprised it's not because they took the
27:26
Speaker 2: step of Jayhen getting some grounders at first. Like if
27:30
Speaker 2: you basically have Torque and Jayhan occupying the same role
27:35
Speaker 2: and a spot comes open, and whichever one of them
27:38
Speaker 2: is you like better offensively at the time, Like because
27:41
Speaker 2: there is a viable roster spot, if you could play
27:43
Speaker 2: corner outfield, maybe not fun a guy you've already moved
27:48
Speaker 2: from third base. You don't want to feel like you're
27:50
Speaker 2: yanking them around, But otherwise I'm not sure what you're
27:55
Speaker 2: what you're really doing with them. So I wonder if
27:58
Speaker 2: in time that could become a reality. I think that's
28:01
Speaker 2: the best path for Spencer Turklsen in the major leagues.
28:06
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, defensive versatilitia to otta be
28:09
Speaker 1: at the top, not the top, but like number two
28:11
Speaker 1: on his list of like you know, things that might
28:13
Speaker 1: might go in my favor if I could figure it out.
28:16
Speaker 2: I actually think he could do it. This is just
28:18
Speaker 2: my hot take. I think Spencer could be adequate in
28:21
Speaker 2: the outfield. The arm is actually not bad. I've always
28:26
Speaker 2: thought he moves well for first base. Like movements has
28:29
Speaker 2: not been the root of his defensive struggles. He's he
28:31
Speaker 2: played outfielding kick cod a little bit in his college career.
28:37
Speaker 1: Give it a shot. Yeah, I'll be down. I'll be
28:40
Speaker 1: down for that. I mean again, we talked about the knuckleballer.
28:43
Speaker 2: We got.
28:45
Speaker 1: Colt Keith through one year, and the major's playing second
28:48
Speaker 1: base is going to move the first at least for
28:50
Speaker 1: a year. An unorthodox's approach or not like strangers to
28:53
Speaker 1: this organization, which brings me to another what if And
28:57
Speaker 1: there's a lot kind of grouped into this is that
29:00
Speaker 1: like what if this infield configuration, Like there's a lot
29:06
Speaker 1: of ways for this to bottom out, Like there's there's
29:10
Speaker 1: like you could have a hole at shortstop if Tray
29:12
Speaker 1: Sweeney doesn't develop, and then you have and then you
29:16
Speaker 1: have to do that Javier Baia's like hip injury, figure
29:19
Speaker 1: it out what you have for him for three more years? Thing, Uh,
29:22
Speaker 1: you have Jace Young who only has like what thirty
29:25
Speaker 1: four games under his belt play with a wrist injury.
29:29
Speaker 2: We don't like.
29:30
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe, maybe maybe he's the answer to everything where
29:33
Speaker 1: he can be act with defensively and he's gonna smash
29:37
Speaker 1: offensively maybe and makes this Regmant discussion silly. Maybe that's possibility,
29:41
Speaker 1: but we don't know and we can't say for sure.
29:45
Speaker 1: What if moving Colt to first base again, you talk
29:49
Speaker 1: about putting a lot on Torgelsen's plate, Like Colt is
29:52
Speaker 1: still a guy trying to figure out how to be
29:55
Speaker 1: a major league baseball player. He only had one year
29:57
Speaker 1: of experience, Like these things take time, and now he's
30:01
Speaker 1: gonna have to learn a new position. And like there's
30:06
Speaker 1: a possibility. That's asking too much. This is you know,
30:08
Speaker 1: it's just possibility. And then that and then you know,
30:11
Speaker 1: glabor Torres is what you expect and you get the
30:15
Speaker 1: offensive production, but what you expect also means like the
30:18
Speaker 1: lack of defense and base running. So like what if
30:23
Speaker 1: this this really really new new look, really new look
30:28
Speaker 1: Tiger's infield is it's not great like that that Again,
30:34
Speaker 1: the possibility exists there, That's all I'm saying. Like what
30:37
Speaker 1: like like it's a lot, We're assuming a lot on
30:39
Speaker 1: this infield.
30:40
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Thank You're very much right. I
30:43
Speaker 2: think I think Cole Keith's going a pretty good year
30:45
Speaker 2: to play. I'm pretty big believer in his hitting prowess.
30:48
Speaker 2: Have no idea what kind of first baseman he's going
30:50
Speaker 2: to be really interested to see it with my own eyes,
30:53
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think generally in baseball we take the
30:57
Speaker 2: transition to first base. For granted, I think all the
30:59
Speaker 2: time of me go goodrum, really good athlete, adequate, you know,
31:04
Speaker 2: middle endfielder. It was a terrible first baseman, like the
31:07
Speaker 2: footwork around that, like it just didn't translate to first
31:12
Speaker 2: like you would think it. Well, if this guy can
31:13
Speaker 2: play shortstop, he can play first. Was not the case
31:16
Speaker 2: with Nico Goudram. I don't know how it'll go for
31:20
Speaker 2: cold and he's never done it before in his entire
31:22
Speaker 2: life that we know of, which is very much worth noting. Glab.
31:27
Speaker 2: I think that that's pretty good too, and I think
31:29
Speaker 2: the defense is atrocious shortstop man. Yeah, I've said it
31:33
Speaker 2: for Trey Sweeney. Could be this year's Parker Meadows, where
31:35
Speaker 2: like the first month or two is not pretty. I
31:39
Speaker 2: guess we'll see who ends up playing Staircase. It's almost
31:42
Speaker 2: like you could add a stabilizing force and something you
31:45
Speaker 2: would feel a lot better about the whole thing.
31:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't have to give up any assets
31:51
Speaker 1: to do it.
31:52
Speaker 2: Hmm.
31:54
Speaker 1: And by way, where you know we're still on uh
31:58
Speaker 1: Nolan Aeronato watch just for whatever it's worth, just put
32:01
Speaker 1: it out there.
32:02
Speaker 2: I'm alias comments. So he said it was like Priority A,
32:04
Speaker 2: B and C is like, are not? It can't be
32:09
Speaker 2: much more candid than that.
32:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, we'll see what happens there. But like
32:15
Speaker 1: sneakily sneaky, the Tigers are about as young as they've
32:20
Speaker 1: been going into a season in a while. Like I
32:23
Speaker 1: don't think we're I don't think we fully grasp that either.
32:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, the youth is both exciting, promising and very volatile
32:31
Speaker 2: and very scary. I think that goes back to a
32:35
Speaker 2: lot of things I've said throughout this episode, like you
32:38
Speaker 2: can feel really good about the future. It doesn't necessarily
32:41
Speaker 2: mean April May, June of twenty twenty five is going
32:45
Speaker 2: to be all sunshine and rainbows. I think that's my
32:48
Speaker 2: single biggest concern with the twenty twenty five Tigers right now.
32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why someone like Thomas Nido, I know
32:55
Speaker 1: it's a minor league deal, but like we were talking
32:58
Speaker 1: before this, the Tigers were remarkably healthy at catcher last year.
33:02
Speaker 1: And they're young. They're young, even though Jake's obviously, you know,
33:07
Speaker 1: not not not a young pup. He's got some you know,
33:09
Speaker 1: got some skins on the wall. But they're young with
33:12
Speaker 1: a Dingler aspect. And you know, I might steal your
33:17
Speaker 1: quote from when we talked before this, like one foul
33:20
Speaker 1: ball away from like having.
33:22
Speaker 2: It's actually crazy that the Tigers had no real iel
33:26
Speaker 2: time at catcher last year. That just kind of doesn't happen.
33:29
Speaker 2: So again, yeah, one foul ball, and what if you
33:32
Speaker 2: lose Jake for a month, And what if Dylan is
33:34
Speaker 2: just really going through the rookie struggles. I think he's
33:37
Speaker 2: a good talented player who's gonna have a solid big
33:40
Speaker 2: league career, but like what if he what if it's
33:43
Speaker 2: tough starting out and then you're left with Dingler and
33:46
Speaker 2: like Tomas and Nito, Suddenly you're no longer feeling so
33:50
Speaker 2: good about your catcher situation.
33:52
Speaker 1: That's a reality to look for in twenty twenty five. Yep,
33:55
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot could happen. And we're
34:00
Speaker 1: twenty something days away from spring training. We're about a
34:03
Speaker 1: month from the first game, so it's coming up quick,
34:07
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