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Creating a Purposeful Life · Divas That Care Network

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  SPEAKER_00: It's Divas That Care Radio.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Talk with Terry on the Divas That Care Network.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am your host, Terry Wright.
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  SPEAKER_02: Each week on Talk with Terry, my guest and I will discuss a special topic that is close to their heart.
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  SPEAKER_02: Together, we will explore topics that have a huge impact on our lives.
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  SPEAKER_02: Our mission is to share the wide range of strategies my guests have developed or utilized to make a difference.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today, my guest is Jane Lehman.
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  SPEAKER_02: Welcome, Jane.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm super excited to have you here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hi,
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  SPEAKER_01: Terri.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Jane lived in Germany for 25 years where she worked as a professional musician playing the French horn.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jane is a certified mediator, a business owner with LegalShield, a certified speaker, trainer, and coach through the John Maxwell team, a big sister with Big Brother Big Sister Organization, and a Stephen minister.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow, Jane, you have a lot of experience under your belt.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tell me a little bit more about your experience in Germany?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that all started when I was 26 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was new to the industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd come out of school.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got my first job.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in 1981, here in the United States, President Reagan slashed the funding for the arts.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was bad news for my industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: And orchestras started folding.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here I was wanting to move up in the industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't, there was no way.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I simply, rather than get upset about it, I thought I'm doing something different.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I moved to Europe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at that time, it was a great time to move.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had several colleagues that were already in Europe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what we did, we lived together, we worked together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And over about three weeks, it took me to get my first job.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I got a job in an orchestra and I moved up from there to get a permanent job in another orchestra and just worked my way up in the industry there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had some very wonderful positions in beautiful orchestras in Germany.
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  SPEAKER_01: And before I knew it, 25 years had gone by.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just, I loved what I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there was a time when in my heart, it felt like it was time to do something different.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I loved that whole experience living in Germany.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was not easy at the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I first started out, I had a double whammy against me back in the day.
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  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I was a woman and it was still a man's world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the second thing was that I was a foreigner and I didn't speak German when I first got there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that took some time to learn German, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that took, well, it was about six months where somebody told a joke and I laughed at it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they realized I understood German.
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  SPEAKER_01: They went, hey, you understand German.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from that moment, they wouldn't speak English to me anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's when I really started to learn the language.
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  SPEAKER_01: But my first job there was in the orchestra where the men, they wanted nothing to do with a woman or a foreigner.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was very difficult getting into that situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was there for three years before I moved up to another orchestra that was a godsend to get out of that situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I made it happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had to.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was determined.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I did what I had to do to do my profession and do it well.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so what was it that made you push past all of those obstacles, Jane?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, because you said that you were determined, but what was it that made you so determined?
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  SPEAKER_01: My love for the instrument was the first thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I loved playing the French horn.
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  SPEAKER_01: I loved the music.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love classical music.
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  SPEAKER_01: And being in those, being in a concert, in the moment where you're actually playing and there's, nobody can say anything else to, you know, we're, now we're doing what we were here for.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just loved those, that whole experience playing in opera, a lot of different things.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was the passion for the instrument.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And 25 years in Germany and overcoming, you know, learning a new language, being in a foreign country.
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  SPEAKER_02: How was that?
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  SPEAKER_01: At the beginning, it was difficult.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember the first time I went to a bakery, I practiced.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ich möchte Brot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want bread.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I got to the bakery, the woman...
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  SPEAKER_01: knew very well that I obviously don't speak the language.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she simply went, what she had said was, we have a lot of bread.
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  SPEAKER_01: What would you like?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because they had so many types of bread in Germany.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just stood there and pointed because I was defeated.
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  SPEAKER_01: She completely deflated me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I went home and went, oh my gosh, I really have to start learning this more.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, I worked on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I worked on it every evening on my own.
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  SPEAKER_01: I learned and learned and learned until I could do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Especially because the conductors were speaking German in a rehearsal.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess I need to understand that, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So
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  SPEAKER_02: you didn't have any baseline German language knowledge.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, in the beginning, I remember, now that you're bringing back memories of sitting there and the other horn players having to say, we're starting at measure 67, for example, because I didn't know what 60, you know, when they, Sieben und Sechsisch in German.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's that?
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  SPEAKER_01: And they would tell me in English.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there was a learning curve there.
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  SPEAKER_01: The people were very friendly, though.
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  SPEAKER_02: Definitely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you obviously overcame and became very successful.
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  SPEAKER_02: You were doing it for 25 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what made you decide to stop playing professionally?
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a time, and this has happened all through my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whenever I've moved somewhere, there's a time where I just feel it in my heart that I need a change.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was not too happy about the situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were very, very privileged, but I didn't feel like I was helping people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I remember a doctor, I was talking to some people at the concert.
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  SPEAKER_01: This doctor and his wife had come to the concert and he said, oh, you have no idea how much you help us.
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  SPEAKER_01: After I work a long week, I like to bring my wife to the concert.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, That's not the way I wanted to help people.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought there were people who need different kinds of help, even more.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that was a spark.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the situation arose where my orchestra merged with another orchestra.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in Germany, they cannot fire you.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were government employees.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they offered, yeah, when they said, for me, the magic word was severance.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing that one.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I kept it very quiet.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was divorced at that time already.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd been divorced for seven years, but my husband sat right next to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: We sat next to each other the entire time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even through our divorce, we kept that private.
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  SPEAKER_01: No one in the orchestra caught on that entire time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because we both knew they're all both of our friends, we didn't want them taking sides.
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  SPEAKER_01: We kept it completely out of our orchestra.
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  SPEAKER_01: So nobody knew we were getting divorced.
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  SPEAKER_01: As we sat there playing solo stuff together, they had no idea what was going on personally between us.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was difficult.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we got through it and we played together for another seven years.
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  SPEAKER_01: So at that time, though, there was still the idea of taking the kids out of the country.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was going to be delicate, but he was never there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's another long story.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was on business in China.
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  SPEAKER_01: My husband was Chinese.
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  SPEAKER_01: Actually, he still is.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's Chinese.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we made it work.
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  SPEAKER_01: so that he would see the children when he was there and when he was playing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And otherwise, most of the time, they were with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I had to be careful with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when it came time to go, everything worked out well.
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  SPEAKER_01: He knew as well as I did that he wasn't there as much as he could be.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he flies to the United States quite often.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he would be there, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I took that opportunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: I took the money and ran, put it that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I worked on getting that severance.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I came home and started over again.
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  SPEAKER_02: OK.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, did you continue playing your French horn when you came to America?
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  SPEAKER_01: I still play occasionally.
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  SPEAKER_01: I play mostly at church.
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  SPEAKER_01: I played in a community-type orchestra for a while to help out, but now I'm too busy doing other things where I'm happy helping people, so no, I don't play too much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't practice anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not like I should.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I bet that was an awesome experience though.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So how did you become involved with LegalShield and why?
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  SPEAKER_01: When I moved back to the States, I knew I wanted to do something new.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want to tell a short story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before I left Germany, I was sitting in orchestra and the man that sat next to me for 15 years, we were always kind of chatting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know what, Wolfgang, I don't know what I will do in America.
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  SPEAKER_01: But a year from now, I could imagine like being a dining room manager of a nice restaurant, something to that effect.
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  SPEAKER_01: One year later, I was dining room manager of a golf resort.
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  SPEAKER_03: And
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  SPEAKER_01: that job started out as dishwasher.
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  SPEAKER_01: I told my children when we moved to Michigan in the USA, I said, I'm going to get the first job that I am offered.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I was offered the job of a dishwasher, my kids, especially my son, freaked.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, Mom, I'm never eating at that restaurant.
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  SPEAKER_01: I said, why?
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  SPEAKER_01: I do dishes at home and you eat there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was embarrassing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was embarrassing for my children to think that I had gone from earning a six-figure salary down to a dishwasher for$9 an hour.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't even that,$8 an hour or something.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I quickly was promoted, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: They realized, you know, I don't belong in a dishwasher position.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted my foot in the door.
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  SPEAKER_01: And within about a month, I was dining room manager.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's where I started.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then I...
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  SPEAKER_01: became a certified mediator.
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  SPEAKER_01: I learned about mediation.
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  SPEAKER_01: I felt I was too old to even attempt something like law school.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was in my mid-50s.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not doing that, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But I became a certified mediator, worked with an organization in Michigan.
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  SPEAKER_01: They sent me then to the state of Michigan, to Lansing, for many more certifications.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm a very decorated mediator, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have some very...
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  SPEAKER_01: extensive certifications.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was mediating in Michigan the whole time I lived there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then during that time, I learned if I would mediate and someone would accuse me of having given them legal advice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, a mediator is not allowed to give legal advice.
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  SPEAKER_01: especially when you're not a lawyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not our job.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is not the job of a mediator.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I quickly understood, you know, oh, that means I could have a lawyer suing me for doing his job.
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  SPEAKER_01: I better cut this off really fast and do something here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I learned about the company LegalShield.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the woman that signed me up for LegalShield said something very wise to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: She said, I bet you see people in court who need lawyers but don't have them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's America.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most people in court, they are scared, they're frustrated, they're confused, they're angry, they don't know what's going on, all because they didn't even have the ability to pick up the phone and get advice.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a sad condition to be in.
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  SPEAKER_03: And
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  SPEAKER_01: I immediately then, she said, well, you look at what we do in LegalShield.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I looked at how the business side of that company works and absolutely said, yes, I can do that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I added that to what I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: In 2013, I learned that my father was dying of cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was 90.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had had great life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said, they want me to have radiation.
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  SPEAKER_01: That could kill me at my age.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said, well, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said, look, I'm 90.
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  SPEAKER_01: A cold could kill me.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said, I'm not doing anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to be happy until I die.
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  SPEAKER_01: At that very moment, another in my heart, I knew, time to move again.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think about the circumstances around me.
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  SPEAKER_01: My children were away at college and I said, now it's time to go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I called them both and I said, guess where you're going for Christmas?
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  SPEAKER_01: I am moving to Texas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, Texas is 1500 miles away from where I was living, but I knew I needed to be by my dad.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in the summer, that was in April, but that all happened by July.
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  SPEAKER_01: My daughter drove with me from Michigan down to Texas.
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  SPEAKER_01: She took some of her summer break and helped me move.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've been in Texas now ever since.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my father lived for another eight months.
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  SPEAKER_01: We had fun while we could.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I was just there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was such an honor and a blessing to be with my father when he passed away.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm
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  SPEAKER_02: thankful that you were able to spend time with him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as, as life would have it, or as you know, however you want to look at it, destiny, my fate.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I got to Texas, I was told that I couldn't mediate here without taking all new certifications.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't push it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I left that and I was with my father anyway.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really didn't do very much of anything for eight months.
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  SPEAKER_01: He, I, I, Joined a Rotary Club.
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  SPEAKER_01: I joined Toastmasters to stay in touch with people.
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  SPEAKER_01: But other than that, I was really with my father.
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  SPEAKER_01: When he passed away, I immediately got back into LegalShield, but then full time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I also learned along the way, yes, I actually could have mediated.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I haven't picked that back up yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, there's some things in the works there.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I really, my passion is for helping people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when you do a job, That you see people, or they will call you even crying, saying, I was able to talk to a lawyer today, and he gave me this advice, and he helped me here or there or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: That made me feel like I was really doing good.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I am so passionate about what I do with LegalShield.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm proud now that we are in all of the United States, all of Canada, and we have now opened up in the UK.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we are branching out.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so what are your plans for the future, Jane?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, again, my children are always asking me, well, when are you leaving Texas?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because they know I would like to be somewhere that's green and with lakes and rivers and whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a different place.
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  SPEAKER_01: topical, you know, setting than what Texas is.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a, and this is joking, Terry, but I have a saying that even when Texas is green, it's brown.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of rocks, there's a lot of cactus, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I live in the hill country where it's very green.
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  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, I told my children, you know what, it hasn't hit me yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: The feeling that I'm supposed to go anywhere has not hit me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Except
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  SPEAKER_01: to move towns.
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  SPEAKER_01: I went from one town to where I now live.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's how you and I met, living in Bernie, Texas.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love living here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just, the feeling's not there that I should be going anywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: And until that feeling comes to me, and I call that, that is God speaking to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think when I look back at my life, every time I've moved has been for a reason.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reason will come or it won't.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm very happy doing what I am here, and that is continuing to build my LegalShield business and helping people where I can.
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  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned some other things that I do.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I am a Stephen minister.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: I love helping people in that within my congregation of my church.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: I love being a big sister.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: My little sister is now 14 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have been with her for five years.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Big Brother Big Sister organization is a phenomenal organization.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just love meeting with Lily.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her name is Lily.
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  SPEAKER_01: I meet with Lily every Friday after school or for a while there we on a zoom.
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  SPEAKER_01: But so there's a lot of things that I do that are very meaningful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just I go where life takes me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you're always making a difference no matter where you're at, Jane.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've known you for going on two years now and you are very heartfelt and you genuinely want to help other people, you know, succeed.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, that's, that's just very important.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's very important to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I love it.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you know, I, I have a saying that, you know, always stay the course until God redirects your steps.
• 17:41
  UNKNOWN: Yeah.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what I do.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: And there's some, I've been led to crazy, to do crazy things.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what other people think are crazy.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: For example, I think you know that I went to Nigeria.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: I went to Nigeria at the end of January for 10 days.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Luckily, I got back.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: The coronavirus was just beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we were watching that in Nigeria as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, what's happening here.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't until I got back that it really blew up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Within a month, we were then in lockdown again.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I go I took Bibles to a small church there and I do something that people really consider crazy And that is I met with some young men who had tried to scam me and I tried to turn their lives around and every one of the ones I met Were very sorrowful for what they did.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: They were only trying to feed their families.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Most of them are not bad people They're good people doing bad things And they are very religious, and they realize, yeah, this does not match with mine, which is more important.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit of money, and I explain to them how much they are hurting people.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Not just in America.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: These scammers, I've seen them talking to women in Poland and Hungary and China, and they're all over.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's not good.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're hurting people by faking who you are.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do that, right?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's all about be honest.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Be honest with yourself first.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: So
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  SPEAKER_02: you went all the way to Nigeria to confront those gentlemen.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've been there twice to do that.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's an interesting, you know, Americans are like, oh my gosh, that's so dangerous.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: But when I get to Nigeria and told the people in the church that I was going to meet these young men, they had the exact same reaction.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, that's dangerous.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're not.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: They were humble.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: They were very, it was hard to get them to open their mouths.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: They're so scared.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so did you have an escort or a bodyguard?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Not a bodyguard.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: I had a guy from the church that went with me, of course.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we just went to a mall and I stick out like a sore thumb because I'm white.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: But it's there again, it's such a different experience.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: dynamic than in the United States.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: The people, all you have to do is smile and they smile back and it's, yes, it's different.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I made a lot of friends over there in the church.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: I did a lot of dancing and things I never do here in church.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Very different.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I just love it.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love the food.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: I love the culture.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I love those trips.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: I love going on trips that are not destination vacations.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: I want to go on a trip that has a purpose.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: I want my trips to have a purpose wherever I go.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, wow.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: I still can't believe that you went over there to confront them, Jane.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm glad that you made it back and everything was
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: safe here.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: You have to admit that they are so– they're like little children.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: They really are.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Some of them call me Grandma.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, yeah.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Jane, did you have a specific statement that you wanted to share with our audience today that really resonates with you?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, from, I guess, a statement that I used to use with my music students, with French horn students, or anyone, if you have something that you want to pursue, and I'm saying this because I had to fight so hard to do what I wanted to do.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was not something that girls did a whole lot back when I started.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: that you just, orchestras were 90% men.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: So my mother was very concerned.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you do that?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's a man's world.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, stop.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: I want to play the French horn, right?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And take for a moment, think, it doesn't matter what it is, if you're in sports, if you're playing an instrument, if you want to be an astronaut, For goodness sakes, women are now astronauts.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Imagine that.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: You can do anything you set your heart to.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: But you've got to be ready to listen for God.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just learning when I hear God.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: And Terry, y'all, I will be 65 on Saturday.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have a birthday
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: coming up.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, happy birthday.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that's coming up.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like I am just getting started.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: So...
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: You can do anything you set your mind to.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: You have to believe in yourself even when others around you are not believing in you.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you feel it in your heart, then you're talking to something bigger than anything around you.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's important.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I completely agree, Jane.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: So let God lead your life and nothing is impossible.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing is impossible.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: That is amazing.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you for sharing, Jane.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: And never stop learning.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Never stop learning.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's important.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, definitely.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Divas, that brings to a close another great, inspiring interview on Talk with Terri.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you to my amazing guest for sharing your thoughts and wisdom with our listeners.
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