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S5 163. Dr. Natalie Atwell – Spiritual Warfare & Weird Influences on Mental Health · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  around between this whole corrupt informational system
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  spoke the universe into existence and literally raised
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  jump on them and kill them, drag them back to the village and the
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  armor, they start to build cities, They start to fortify
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  their cities. Now God looks.
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  Down and there's violence everywhere.
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  The battle, this war that we are at, is not against each other,
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  it's against these principalities and these rulers
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  and these archons in the high places.
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  It's really worthwhile to read the Bible yourself.
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  Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control because
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  we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
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  You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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  the Kingdom of darkness. None.
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  Welcome back to the Millennial Mustard Seed.
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  This is your host, Rod. I got an awesome episode in
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  store for you guys. I'm joined by Doctor Natalie
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  Atwell. We have a fascinating
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  conversation, mental health warriors that we literally get
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  into topics like mental health versus spiritual warfare, how to
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  distinguish what's 1 you might be facing out there as a
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  listener, Dr. Natalie share some supernatural encounters that she
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  had. We're exposing some of these
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  levels, these components of darkness that have been
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  operating in the the vague, kind of cloudy and misunderstood
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  realm of mental health. Everybody knows somebody who's
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  dealing with some mental health issues and we need to have
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  better answers, better programs and ways of carrying out
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  faith-based instruction as well as ministry that honors the Word
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  of God first and foremost. And that's what you're going to
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  find a level entry into with this interview.
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  She's going to be back in the future and we're going to dive
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  into some fringy topics and just go deep down the rabbit trail
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  with a biblical filter to compartmentalize some of this
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  other information that's out there.
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  But for now, this is the introduction and we're warming
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  up getting you guys. Familiar with what it is that
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  she. And her team do Doctor Natalie's
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  practice is in South Carolina. She has about 15 people working
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  in her practice, but they've done something special.
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  Not not all of you can get to South Carolina if you would like
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  some special training. But what Doctor Natalie and her
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  team have done is created a mental warrior course landing
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  page exclusively for the listeners here on the Millennium
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  Mustard C podcast. This immediately takes money
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  right off of the top of the course.
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  You guys get exclusive discounts.
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  This is for my people out there that really want to go deeper.
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  They want to get the certification, the training and
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  understand how to maneuver in a way that literally the world is
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  lacking. This information.
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  We got practitioners out there that have a good heart.
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  I believe they want to do the right thing, but the systems
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  that are in play have not not equipped us that way.
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  This is what Doctor Natalie is offering.
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  I know that even Doctor Laura Sanger has worked with her
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  behind the scenes to review and even contribute to the academic
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  material that is being offered in her practice at this point in
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  time, so take advantage of that. You'll also find social links
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  for Doctor Natalie. You guys can check out what she
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  did she is doing on Instagram, Facebook, stuff like that.
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  But yeah, I highly recommend you guys click on that link for the
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  Mental Warrior Course landing page.
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  Take advantage of it. She's giving a discount.
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  I believe in what Doctor Natalie is doing and I want to see more
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  Are you guys ready? Let's go.
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  Well, hello, I'm Doctor Natalie Atwell, and I'm so excited to be
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  on the Millennial Mustard Seed podcast today.
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  I have a doctorate in family care and counseling from Liberty
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  University. I run a private counseling
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  practice outside of Charlotte, NC.
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  In most recent years, I have done a deep dive study in
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  basically what I call how we wrestle not against flesh and
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  blood, but against principalities, powers of
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  darkness, and spiritual forces of wickedness in heavenly places
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  and how that really impacts our mental health.
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  And I'm so excited to share that with you today.
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  Doctor Natalie, it's an honor to have you here on The Mustard
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  Seed with me. We've been chatting back and
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  forth for a while. I tried to get you scheduled.
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  I want to say about a month or two ago, couple things came up.
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  But God is faithful. He opened the door and here we
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  are. And I'm excited for you to be
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  here with me. Thank you, I'm so excited as
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  well. I always just trust God's timing
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  in these things for sure. Yeah, you've been working on,
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  well, a lot behind the scenes. I think one of the coolest
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  things when I looked you up, I seen that you do a lot of
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  missions work in the Philippines.
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  And my wife, right away she's like, oh, oh, oh, she's just so
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  excited. And just obviously we FaceTime
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  with a lot of family that my wife still has over there.
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  We have a big heart for the Philippines and a lot of the
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  situations that they go through and it was just refreshing to
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  see that, you know, you were a part of the suicide prevention
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  awareness and ministry that was going over there.
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  And you guys also trained pastors.
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  You, you do a whole bunch. So instead of me stumbling
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  through it, I want to give you some time just to tell us who
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  you are, what exactly it is that you do and let's kind of touch a
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  little bit on your testimony and and then I have some other
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  questions for you. Yeah, thank you so much for
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  giving me a chance to share that.
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  You know, I really believe we overcome by the blood of the
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  lamb and the word of our testimony.
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  So I think stories are so important and they're sacred.
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  And not just my story, but I think that's why I do the work
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  in mental health is because a lot of that is you're sitting
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  with people hearing their story and then trying to help them to
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  find understanding and then healing ultimately.
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  So I am someone who was raised in the church.
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  I would like to say I'm a bapticostal, whatever that
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  means. So I'm somewhere between a
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  Southern Baptist and a Pentecostal, you know,
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  charismatic, you know, but really just someone who loves to
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  study Scripture, loves the word of God and believes that it has
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  answers for today. And so the more that I can seek
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  understanding and help people, I think the better.
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  But I'm also that adventurous person who has always been so
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  inquisitive and wants to find the answers.
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  And that led me to an amazing faith journey with the Lord and
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  learning that with each yes that I say to God, He just takes me
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  on this amazing journey and He gives me all the desires of my
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  heart and the ways that He created me.
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  So for example, I love to travel, I love missions and He's
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  given me opportunities to do missions and travel to other
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  parts of the world where they don't have access to serve
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  services like we may have here. And then that specifically would
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  mean mental health for me. So years ago, I just had this
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  love of, you know, meeting different people and learning
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  about different cultures. And I know that that comes from
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  God for sure. And my husband, however, though
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  was not, did not feel led to be called into full time mission
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  and, and go across the world or anything like that.
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  But he always believed we were to be workplace missionaries and
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  do all that we can where we are. And I love that and I'm so
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  thankful. But it's also the most recent
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  years led me to use my work and giving me opportunities to go
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  abroad. And he's been so supportive of
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  that, of which I'm so thankful. I love how the Lord has woven
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  that together. And because of that desire and
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  just saying one yes at a time, God's given me an amazing
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  relationship with some people in the Philippines.
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  Northgate Ministries is what they're called, and they're just
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  an amazing group of people. You know, anytime I go, I
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  actually feel like I gleaned so much more from them than what
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  I've even taken there to teach and train.
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  So I love how the word Lord works in that way.
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  But I just say yes, to be honest with you, Rod.
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  I just say, hey, where do you want me to go, Lord?
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  And then I see if it fits in my schedule, see if I can be a
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  help. And because of that, yes, I've
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  gone to Nicaragua, Kenya, Brazil, India and the
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  Philippines, of course, which that's an ongoing relationship
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  that I'm building and, and love that there.
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  So yeah, thanks for sharing. I hope that answered all your
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  questions. Yeah, the yes is so powerful and
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  it you can't underestimate the yes of the calling on your life.
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  It opens the door to everything else and it's all webbed and
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  weaved together. And I I really do think that God
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  enjoys us catching up or, or being able to comprehend what
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  Our Calling is as time goes on. It's almost, you know, he
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  created humor and sometimes he's he's laughing going.
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  Are you seeing it yet? Do you see it?
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  Do you see what I made you for? And it's just coaxing us into
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  this beautiful place of it's fulfilling, but it but it's also
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  the heart of the Lord to go out and find the law.
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  So Doctor Natalie, I'm going to ask you, you know, spiritual
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  warfare is a huge component of what I talk about here, bringing
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  that into the reality check for people all around the world.
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  You know, a lot of the times I feel like Churchianity, and I
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  don't mean that disrespectfully, but I'm going to be very
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  transparent. A lot of the times we're not
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  encouraged to read the Bible for ourselves.
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  You know, there's nothing that's that's challenged or checked.
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  And there's, it's hard to distinguish what is a mental
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  health issue versus a spiritual issue.
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  So laying a foundation spiritually and then being able
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  to find out the differences in between.
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  Thank God that you're here to help because this is an ongoing
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  issue. So let's kind of just dive into
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  that, comment on that a little bit and let's see where we go.
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  Yeah, sure. I think for so many years,
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  mental health professionals didn't want to bring in
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  spirituality to the setting. But I'll be honest with you,
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  there's a lot of people in the secular research and the secular
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  aspect of mental health counseling who are understanding
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  now how important spirituality is.
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  However, the sad part of that is they are embracing all types of
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  spirituality, which we know as believers.
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  And even looking at the Old Testament narrative, that's not
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  always a good thing. That's a, that's a dangerous
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  thing to dabble. And you've got to know who the
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  one true God is and you know what he says about your health
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  in general. And mental health is definitely
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  a huge part of that. And so to be honest, you know,
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  I've had to really discern through, you know, training of
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  mental health and what I've learned in the fields that I've
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  worked in and then see, how do I look at that from a spiritual
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  perspective or, you know, that that lens that really matters,
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  to be honest. And I think I just had to get to
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  the place where I believe Scripture and it says we wrestle
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  not against flesh and blood. And so from a mental health
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  perspective, that means it's not us that we're wrestling against.
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  Absolutely. Do I believe that we are totally
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  depraved beings, we need a savior, that we were born into
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  sin? I do.
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  But I also believe that, for example, when someone's
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  struggling with suicidal ideation that is not of them,
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  that is coming from an outside influence of spiritual force of
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  of wickedness that is causing an imager of God, a human to want
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  to hurt themselves because it's actually not natural to want to
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  harm yourself. If you think about the way the
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  body was designed to heal itself and, and even in people who are
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  not conscious, sometimes their body is fighting to live, then
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  if you look at that is suicide is against everything.
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  That's natural. And if I can tell someone, hey,
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  this is not you, this is not of you.
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  This is a an attack of evil proportions in your life that
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  has caused you to think you want to harm yourself.
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  That's a different discussion than someone just saying, oh,
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  it's your thoughts, it's you. And I think that's the way the
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  enemy deceives. And so because I've learned some
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  so many things and God's taught me about what those influences
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  are, it gave me the desire to develop a course where I could
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  train other mental health professionals and even just
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  people in general who will interested in these topics.
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  And the first thing that I do write is I go through sort of
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  some background things and how worldview matters.
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  But then I also go through what are the symptoms of a just
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  general mental health struggle and then what are the symptoms
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  of spiritual warfare? And then I also differentiate
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  what are the symptoms of what I would call like an evil
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  influence or spiritual manifestation.
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  And the difference between those is spiritual warfare is for
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  those who are believers, who are loyal followers of Jesus, and
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  spiritual manifestation of those who are not believers is what I
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  would call that spiritual manifestation of evil instead of
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  spiritual warfare. Does that make sense?
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  Absolutely. It's actually really well laid
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  out. I've never quite heard it like
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  that before. This is good.
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  Thank you. That's the Lord for sure.
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  And I'll tell you one of the, I will say the background of kind
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  of where I got a lot of this and I've gleaned a lot from is
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  Doctor Michael Hazard's work in the unseen Realm and using that
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  divine council worldview, because worldview does matter.
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  There's actually been a lot of research about biblical
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  worldviews and how much that can positively impact your mental
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  health. And I take that a step further
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  and say, OK, if a biblical worldview matters and it can
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  help you from mental health standpoint, then we need to have
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  a right view of what those things that we battle against
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  truly are. And so Michael Hazard's work
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  about the Divine Council and all that has really helped me to
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  understand and to be able to explain to people where these
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  evil influences and things come from.
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  Yeah, it's so important. Yeah.
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  Mike Hauser is held in high regard here as well.
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  You know it, it's so interesting, Doctor Natalie,
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  because from from where I encounter the stuff face to face
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  with people, dialogue wise and trying to get people to
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  understand what's in the Bible. It's almost like when somebody
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  comes along who has a degree or a reputation that then is In
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  Sync with what you're saying, right?
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  Like, let's say I'm the echo chamber for someone like Doc,
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  Doctor Michael Heizer, Doctor Chuck Missler, Doctor Laura
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  Sanger, you know, any of these people that are going out and
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  paving away and kind of laying down, hey, this is undisputable
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  information. You know, do the research.
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  This is where you end up. It's not really a perspective
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  thing. It's more or less, you can't get
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  around it. It's so interesting how people
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  are then willing to readjust that mindset.
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  And I don't think that's for everybody, but there's an
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  academic mindset within our population where people are
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  inquisitive. People really do want, you know,
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  good answers, better answers. And that's so fascinating how
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  Doctor Michael Heizer really just shook the foundation of a
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  lot of what we see going on today.
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  We actually had a revival just a couple weeks ago in his hometown
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  in Lebanon, PA. And we're watching people get
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  delivered. We've seen, I think it was nine
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  or no, way more than that. I think it was 12 or 13 baptisms
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  that took place there and just worship music.
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  Yeah, it was really cool. But not to go on and on, but
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  it's very fascinating what you're talking about here,
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  Doctor Natalie. Oh, thank you so much.
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  You know, and I love Doctor Laura Sanger's work, really hope
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  to get to meet her in person one day.
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  I like to say that we're pen pals because we e-mail back and
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  forth some and she helped to actually review some of the
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  things that I did in the course, such as the assessment where I
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  really assess how evil was possibly in introduced to a
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  person, especially when it comes to spiritual warfare or
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  spiritual manifestations. So I'm so thankful for that and
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  just thankful for what I'm learning.
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  And with the space or the area of research that I really want
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  to contribute to is just so that every day a mental health
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  practitioner who has no idea what a person is actually up
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  against. Because we need it, to be frank
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  with you. I mean, the intense increase of
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  the need of mental health services and the struggles that
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  people are facing, especially since the pandemic is something
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  that we don't have enough resources even in America to be
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  able to respond to effectively. And I think people are seeing
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  that. I mean, the mental health
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  struggles are absolutely real and increasing daily.
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  And there's just not enough professionals out there.
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  But beyond that, there's not enough equipped professionals
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  who know what people are truly up against.
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  Yeah, it's such a good point. Now I want to backtrack a little
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  bit and dive into the difference of what you were saying.
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  Just being it was kind of the first time I've heard it that
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  way. Not that I didn't understand it
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  that way, but yeah. So when you're in Christ and
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  you're waking up to the spiritual reality, it's a
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  different style attack that comes against you versus being
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  in the world the way that I say it is.
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  If you're in the enemy's camp, there's less resistance to keep
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  you, to keep you there when you want to be there, right?
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  Like, you don't, you know, sometimes you can just kind of
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  go through life and if you're not striving for God, it kind of
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  feels like maybe things go better for people.
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  And when you start to gravitate towards the Lord or wake up and
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  want to seek deeper truth, it seems like there's more of a
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  thick spiritual battle in the air.
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  But I want to give it back to you, Go back to those kind of
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  like, you know, two terms. Break that down a little bit
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  more. Help me to understand what
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  you're laying out for for people to learn in regards to being in
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  Christ versus being in the world and what the spiritual
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  manifestation looks like versus an actual spiritual warfare.
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  Yeah, absolutely. I think it's important to
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  different differentiate between the two because they are
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  different. However, I will say that I in
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  just my simple everyday practice, I will tell you that
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  I, I firmly believe that the powers of darkness, the
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  spiritual forces of wickedness and heavenly places, all all of
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  the ways that we would term from a biblical perspective, Satan,
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  the fallen angels, all those things.
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  And I just say simply, evil influence.
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  I do believe they go very hard after those who have the most
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  potential for holiness. So that's even in the life of an
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  unbeliever who they know, they've watched, they study,
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  sometimes people or they do, they're there to steal, kill and
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  destroy. And those who have the most
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  potential, I think they go hard after those people.
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  And sometimes those look like an everyday person who struggles so
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  much, who has had the most horrific story of abuse or
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  whatever. And when I get the chance to
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  meet them in a counseling setting, I'm like, wow, this is
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  one of the most kind and sweet individuals.
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  And if they become a believer, wow, what they can do for the
• 22:38
  Kingdom. But in regards to your question,
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  you know, I would say that absolutely, I think the
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  difference is the strategies. When someone's a believer, I
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  think the enemy goes after us in terms of making us not effective
• 22:54
  for the Kingdom. So anyway, they go to attack us.
• 22:58
  It's to cause us to not be effective, to not go out and
• 23:00
  really be able to spread the light, the gospel, the good news
• 23:05
  to to help people find healing and freedom and truth.
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  Whereas the spiritual manifestations for people who
• 23:13
  are not believers, it looks like a completely different thing.
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  I think the enemy tries to use them to help people not continue
• 23:20
  to go to the light, and he does that in a lot of different ways.
• 23:23
  And sometimes it looks like they are succeeding from a financial
• 23:27
  standpoint or a fame standpoint at exponential levels, but we
• 23:34
  know that eventually that's going to destroy them.
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  You know, what's really interesting about what you
• 23:40
  brought up is the enemy seeing potential in people that aren't
• 23:43
  even in the Lord yet. I do believe that, yeah, that's
• 23:48
  what's going on for sure, because there's strategic
• 23:51
  attacks on people's lives now. You know, I've dived into even
• 23:55
  minutely working with people that are SRA survivors.
• 23:58
  And then Dr. Monzo comes on and now we're learning about SIT,
• 24:01
  the satanic information technology and it's just we need
• 24:07
  to be strong spirit LED believers in the days that we
• 24:10
  live in. And and what you were saying a
• 24:12
  little bit ago about getting practitioners equipped with the
• 24:15
  correct worldview, that's a lot of the problem.
• 24:18
  Absolutely. And and to be honest, even in
• 24:22
  something freeing for me was, you know, I didn't always
• 24:25
  believe the church responded to those who struggled with sexual
• 24:31
  identity and issues like that with like homosexuality.
• 24:34
  I, I didn't think the church always did a good job in
• 24:36
  responding to that. I believe 100% that it is not
• 24:40
  God's design. That is not his will.
• 24:42
  That is not his plan for humanity that he created, you
• 24:45
  know, one man and one woman. But I often, I always use the
• 24:50
  description, you know, we were born into sin and we have to die
• 24:53
  to ourselves. And we may have been born that
• 24:56
  way in the in the regard that we were born into a sinful nature,
• 24:59
  but we have to put off that sinful nature when we become a
• 25:03
  new creation in Christ. But with Doctor Michael Hazard's
• 25:06
  information, I started really realizing that that attack of
• 25:11
  sexuality and attack on humanity is actually from the fallen
• 25:16
  watchers before the flood. They really wanted to completely
• 25:20
  mess up humanity and what that meant, the image of God, they
• 25:26
  wanted to create beings that were not even fully human.
• 25:30
  And so when I look at it now, like when you're being attacked
• 25:33
  with things like sexual identity crisis or going against God's
• 25:38
  nature, that is a, you know, I wouldn't say just a demonic
• 25:43
  attack, but possibly it's a, it's intact from a fallen being
• 25:48
  that says, I want you to go against God's way.
• 25:53
  But that's not a conversation that's being had and then
• 25:58
  lovingly come alongside someone and say, Hey, you're being
• 26:01
  attacked by the enemy and we need you to see that 100% for
• 26:06
  what it is because this is not who you are.
• 26:08
  This is not your identity. Does that make sense?
• 26:13
  Yeah, that's so good. Yeah.
• 26:15
  The enemy would would obviously anything that God's intention of
• 26:20
  how things are to work together, he would want to parallel a
• 26:24
  perverted understanding of that. And that is such a dark attack.
• 26:28
  Now I know like, you know, we've had people that are, I guess you
• 26:33
  could say up to par with ancient Semitic and language, right.
• 26:37
  And, and we've went through and traced through, you know, these
• 26:41
  entities that it's the same entity as it was in ancient
• 26:44
  times. They just re mask and rename
• 26:46
  themselves in accordance with what the generation is most
• 26:49
  widely accepted to as the time slots go on.
• 26:53
  And really, you know, it's fascinating to see this
• 26:58
  generation being hammered with this sexual identity crisis.
• 27:02
  And it stems just like you said it, Doctor Natalie.
• 27:05
  It stems right back to this is what's the world view?
• 27:08
  What is the enemy doing? If people could understand
• 27:11
  there's an actual enemy against their soul who's here to lie,
• 27:15
  kill and destroy, it would be a lot easier to start to rebuild
• 27:21
  from a godly perspective in people's minds.
• 27:24
  Now I want to ask you like really, how did this passion
• 27:28
  start for you? Did you know when you were
• 27:30
  younger that you wanted to do this kind of work?
• 27:33
  Or is there something climactic that happened or like an
• 27:36
  awakening point in your life where you understood my calling
• 27:40
  is to help people build the identity of God and, and expose
• 27:44
  the darkness and, and actually have truth to offer.
• 27:48
  I mean, where, where does that passion come from?
• 27:50
  Is there a significant point in time in your life where it all
• 27:53
  made sense? That's a good question.
• 27:56
  To be honest, it's just been a growing thing within me.
• 27:59
  I've always been Yeah, I'm a middle child wide open, you
• 28:02
  know, so I'll say that. But I.
• 28:06
  So there's a lot of stuff that God, you know, created in me
• 28:09
  that gave me a passionate personality.
• 28:12
  But, you know, growing up, I watched my parents have such a
• 28:16
  heart for people. And my dad did work in prison
• 28:19
  ministry, although his full time job was the military to be to
• 28:24
  honestly, and my mom, you know, just being a secretary in a
• 28:27
  school and watching her help kids who had no one else to help
• 28:30
  them that, you know, watching that was such a good example for
• 28:35
  me and and their love of God and love of his word.
• 28:38
  And my dad was the wonderful way of responding to my inquisitive
• 28:42
  nature when I said, well, what do Mormons believe?
• 28:44
  What do Jehovah Witness believe? What do all these other
• 28:47
  religions believe? And he didn't say, like a lot of
• 28:49
  people did in a generation where I grew up, is you don't question
• 28:53
  that. No, my dad said, OK, you have
• 28:55
  questions, let's go there. Let's look at it.
• 28:58
  And he never, you know, pushed back on me asking questions.
• 29:03
  And I was so thankful because he had such a trust in God and in
• 29:06
  his faith in who God really was, that he knew the truth would set
• 29:11
  me free no matter what. So he wasn't a scared of those
• 29:14
  questions. And so I'm so thankful for that.
• 29:17
  And you know, along the way, to be honest, some church hurt,
• 29:21
  some different struggles in my life led me to want to find out
• 29:24
  the answers on my own as well. And then growing up with parents
• 29:28
  who were naturally helpers made me want to go into a helping
• 29:32
  profession. And so I did.
• 29:34
  And then with each journey along the way, it just led me deeper
• 29:38
  into wanting to help people how to find answers from a biblical
• 29:43
  perspective. Because I love God's Word and
• 29:46
  I'm that nerdy person who will go and dig deep and search.
• 29:50
  But then God's gifted me. He's gifted me and that ability
• 29:53
  to be able to break it down into simple terms for others who may
• 29:58
  not go as deep as I'm going to go.
• 30:01
  Yeah, it's so good just to see the faith of your parents,
• 30:04
  right? It's like.
• 30:06
  Yeah. Trusting that God will work it
• 30:09
  out in your life and kind of letting you go in certain areas.
• 30:12
  That's really profound. That's amazing.
• 30:14
  Yeah. Now.
• 30:16
  And you're, well, good. What were you going to say?
• 30:18
  I wanted to add too to the to the last thing that we were
• 30:21
  saying when I mentioned about the sexuality thing is and the
• 30:23
  church is not responding well to that is because I think churches
• 30:27
  either went one of two ways. They went into this way of we
• 30:30
  have to accept and love these people because we can't just
• 30:32
  push them out. And they embraced stuff that was
• 30:37
  not biblical, which was sad, or they went, we have to completely
• 30:40
  push them out. And I'm saying you don't have to
• 30:43
  do either. You actually need to look at
• 30:45
  specifically what is it from a biblical standpoint.
• 30:49
  And I think the church has gotten that wrong.
• 30:52
  And that's another area of education that I've wanted to
• 30:55
  kind of help in. So.
• 30:58
  Yeah, I mean, how, how do you handle that, right.
• 31:01
  So if you're a pastor of a small town church and you have, you
• 31:05
  know, a couple kids that are dealing with this sexual
• 31:08
  identity crisis. I mean, if you look at the track
• 31:11
  record of the way that most churches have been, not to point
• 31:14
  anyone out in particular, but that's a very difficult topic,
• 31:18
  especially with what the news scare tactics are, right?
• 31:23
  Kids being able to file against their parents if they're not,
• 31:28
  you know, given treatment for transitioning and just all this
• 31:31
  wild stuff going on, almost like they're trying to scare the
• 31:34
  parents. Like, you know, the spirit
• 31:36
  that's in, in the generation today, if you don't bow down to
• 31:39
  it, there's repercussions for it.
• 31:40
  It's, it's trying to cause fear. And that's what I really don't
• 31:43
  like in my personal walk and just the way that God has has
• 31:48
  built me. And it's just, no, there's No
• 31:50
  Fear in this. Like we're going to get to the
• 31:51
  bottom of it. No reason to be afraid.
• 31:54
  But I do see this, you know, and, and I see this ripple
• 31:56
  effect go out from the camp of darkness trying to position
• 32:00
  themselves to even get a deeper seated idea within the mind of
• 32:06
  the church and the parents and the children.
• 32:09
  So what is one of the main things that you counsel on in
• 32:12
  this area with the the gender confusion?
• 32:16
  Like, like what does that even look like?
• 32:17
  If you want to, I guess help us warm up to the idea of do you
• 32:21
  counsel one-on-one? Do you do a group session
• 32:24
  training other professionals to understand a biblical
• 32:28
  understanding of sexuality? What does that even look like?
• 32:30
  I mean, we got to ask some of these hard questions sometimes,
• 32:33
  right? Yeah, we do.
• 32:35
  And I, I love that, absolutely. And, and again, I think what
• 32:39
  I've tried to help people understand and right now where
• 32:42
  I'm at is I'm training my own staff about these issues.
• 32:45
  And then I've developed the course for other people to go
• 32:47
  online to help them learn more about, you know, where the
• 32:52
  forces of darkness attack mental health and what that actually
• 32:55
  looks like. And then how to treat that from
• 32:57
  a, you know, a good model biblically and with good using
• 33:01
  evidence based treatments. But I will say that I just love
• 33:06
  the Divine Worldview Council because it gave me more language
• 33:09
  to help understand a lot of the issues where in the past we
• 33:11
  would have said, oh man, they're going to have to fight against
• 33:14
  their feelings. You know, they feel this way,
• 33:17
  but that's not who they are. And the world has said, you feel
• 33:21
  if you feel this way, that's what you are.
• 33:23
  And that is such a lie of the enemy.
• 33:26
  But now I have even more language beyond that to say, no,
• 33:31
  actually, the fact that you feel this way is, is an attack of
• 33:36
  demonic proportions, of evil proportions.
• 33:40
  They are going specifically after you in this area to tell
• 33:44
  you who you're not, and they're making you feel like it's you.
• 33:51
  And if I could say, look, this is not new.
• 33:53
  Nothing's new under the sun. I can show you where it started
• 33:57
  in Scripture and how they attacked human beings at that
• 34:02
  time and then what the result of that was.
• 34:06
  That's a different conversation than saying, you know, you feel
• 34:09
  this way. It's not how God made you and
• 34:12
  you need to walk in in freedom of Christ because people don't
• 34:15
  often understand, well, why do I feel this way?
• 34:17
  Now I can tell him why you feel this way is because the enemy is
• 34:21
  hard after you, and he wants to mess up the idea that you're a
• 34:25
  human made in the image of God. Because that's exactly what that
• 34:29
  means. Taking a stand, you're wow, I
• 34:34
  wish we had more people in the frontline that were willing to
• 34:37
  do this. And part of what I do in my
• 34:39
  course is I go back and say, hey, I'm going to tell you what
• 34:42
  this was called in the ancient, you know, ancient days, you
• 34:47
  know, that these were actually gods, little G gods, fallen sons
• 34:50
  of God that they worshipped from a sexual perversion standpoint.
• 34:56
  And that's the probably the entity that's attacking you
• 34:59
  today, this principality that's attacking you today.
• 35:03
  When you look at, you know, the month of June being from the
• 35:07
  goddess Juno and the relationship that she had to I
• 35:13
  think it was Iris who was the goddess of the rainbow and all
• 35:19
  these things. Then you start putting all these
• 35:21
  pieces together and you're like, wow, this is not actually new
• 35:25
  that that's pride month and they're celebrating this.
• 35:27
  They're actually celebrating an A principality of darkness.
• 35:35
  And when I can put it in those terms like that and and say,
• 35:38
  hey, you're fighting against the principality.
• 35:41
  It's not you. They're trying to tell you it's
• 35:43
  you, but it's not you. That is such a different in a
• 35:46
  very much more stronger conversation than saying you
• 35:52
  just need to die to yourself because you're feeling this way,
• 35:56
  because they want to know why they're feeling that way.
• 35:58
  Exactly, exactly. That's so powerful.
• 36:02
  So this is what the occult has been trying to hide in plain
• 36:07
  sight for so long. And then here comes, you know,
• 36:11
  you and Doctor Sanger and you know, me and Pete at the Days of
• 36:15
  Noah podcast, and we're all just kind of coming along like we're
• 36:19
  going to disassemble all of that because God has called us to
• 36:22
  expose you, right? And then now we can use these
• 36:26
  undisputable points to show people in the world.
• 36:29
  And I love that. Sometimes I don't even realize
• 36:32
  that's what's happening. It's so natural at this point.
• 36:34
  Like just oh God is amazing how he works.
• 36:39
  It's so beautiful and and the fact that he partners with
• 36:41
  humans to do his work is beyond anything I'll ever comprehend
• 36:45
  but I'm so thankful for. Because he could snap his
• 36:48
  fingers and have it all done. But you're right there.
• 36:50
  He has this desire to partner with us.
• 36:53
  And, and like our deepest conversion, I truly believe is
• 36:58
  spending time with the Lord and literally transferring, you
• 37:02
  know, like we're, we're laying a little bit more down.
• 37:05
  I'm going to let go of this God, I'm going to say yes, a little
• 37:08
  bit more. All right, I'm, I'm trusting you
• 37:11
  with more. And then you look back and as
• 37:13
  the years go on, I love what Dan Duvall says.
• 37:16
  I played in the intro of all the shows.
• 37:17
  You're going to have a justice case, which is a testimony
• 37:21
  against the Kingdom of darkness. You know, like you're going to
• 37:24
  have be able to rattle off. This is what they tried to do to
• 37:28
  me. This is where they failed.
• 37:30
  And it is by the blood that I am present, right?
• 37:33
  And I'm doing all I can to stand.
• 37:34
  So I know that doesn't always make sense from the outside
• 37:38
  world, but we who are, let's just say the water gets deeper,
• 37:41
  right? It's at the ankles.
• 37:43
  Then you start to realize the water's at your knees, your
• 37:46
  waist deep. It's not too long until it's a
• 37:49
  river that you can't swim across.
• 37:50
  Doctor Natalie kind of talk with us about the infrastructure of
• 37:54
  the business. Are you training up people out
• 37:57
  of your own office or how does how does it look if there's
• 38:00
  someone listening out here who has understanding in these
• 38:04
  fields or, you know, they have the academic background and
• 38:07
  they're they're persuaded. Yeah, we need to have these
• 38:09
  conversations. God is real.
• 38:11
  I'm sick of hiding behind, you know, the piece of paper and the
• 38:15
  fear of being public about the the reality.
• 38:18
  What's going on here? How would you encourage them?
• 38:20
  What exactly is it that you do to raise up people to go deeper
• 38:24
  into the truth? I.
• 38:26
  Love that question. And thankfully God has given me
• 38:30
  people who come alongside me even on my staff, if I just give
• 38:34
  them the opportunity, they'll say, hey, I want to go to
• 38:37
  Nicaragua. You know, hey, I'd love to go to
• 38:40
  the Philippines. And then I just say, hey, let's
• 38:42
  go, come with me. And you know, one of my
• 38:44
  therapist goes with me every year to the Philippines and she
• 38:47
  does a lot of one-on-one counseling with some of the
• 38:51
  daughters of the pastors that are there and their families
• 38:54
  even. And we just sort of, hey, we're
• 38:56
  going to meet the needs where we are and we'll provide assessment
• 38:58
  tools and training for the staff there or people that we work
• 39:02
  with there. And then another therapist, I
• 39:04
  love it. She said she had always had this
• 39:06
  dream of going on a mission trip.
• 39:08
  And so when I provided the opportunity for her, and then
• 39:11
  I've watched it, just the Lord used that opportunity to train,
• 39:15
  change her as a person. It's been one of the most
• 39:17
  beautiful things I've ever been allowed to have a front row seat
• 39:21
  and watching. And she wants to go back every
• 39:23
  year to Nicaragua and just be able to help the people there
• 39:26
  there. And what we do there is just
• 39:27
  caregiver support is to help the staff there to just feel heard
• 39:33
  and known. And, you know, we teach them
• 39:35
  things that they can look for and those that they work with as
• 39:38
  well. But I think it's just giving
• 39:40
  people the opportunity of saying, hey, you can go to, you
• 39:44
  can go as well. And then through my course, I'm
• 39:47
  just giving training for people to learn more about how they can
• 39:50
  help other people. But as far as, you know, going
• 39:54
  into this space, I do believe that at some point it may
• 39:58
  require me to lay down my license.
• 40:00
  And I think other people are just going to have to be bold
• 40:03
  enough to go there because they understand that you serve the
• 40:06
  sovereign God. Who is in control of all
• 40:10
  regardless, and that he is your provider ultimately, and not a
• 40:14
  licensure board or an insurance company that pays claims or
• 40:18
  anything like that. But that the true one God of the
• 40:22
  universe is universe is the one who you have to stand before and
• 40:26
  give an account to. And we got to expose the deeds
• 40:30
  of darkness. I think that's a huge part of
• 40:32
  what mental health professionals should be doing anyway, is
• 40:35
  uncovering what led to this person struggling.
• 40:40
  And if we have the answers, and it's not what the world wants us
• 40:44
  to say, but if we truly have the answers, we need to be giving
• 40:47
  that to people. I mean, you're at the reality
• 40:51
  that these governmental systems of the world, there's going to
• 40:55
  be a wrestling match, that there's a time coming where,
• 40:58
  yeah, a license or a piece of paper is not going to be the
• 41:04
  ultimate requirement for what God is calling his people to do.
• 41:09
  And it's really profound that you brought that up because this
• 41:11
  is stuff that I, I, I participated minutely in
• 41:15
  conversations in the background. I don't know why it seems like a
• 41:19
  lot of different doctors want to come on the podcast.
• 41:21
  So I, I talk with different people and, and that is so true.
• 41:27
  When is it going to get to the point where the king is issuing
• 41:30
  out? This is what your anointing and
• 41:32
  calling is. And this is Kingdom work over.
• 41:38
  This is the secular work that so many people have served, right?
• 41:43
  They've served the God of their own belly, the God of money, the
• 41:46
  God of their desire and their vacation versus the king of
• 41:50
  kings. And yeah, we're, we're coming
• 41:52
  into a time where the line is being drawn in the sand.
• 41:55
  And I'm not a timeline guy, but I, I, I've been feeling it,
• 41:59
  Doctor Natalie. I've been having just different
• 42:01
  dreams lately. It's just, it's been different.
• 42:03
  There's a shift that has taken place in my life.
• 42:06
  I've been tested and put through the fire in ways that I could
• 42:10
  not have imagined I would have been able to testify on if you
• 42:14
  would ask me anything like this five years ago.
• 42:17
  And so I do understand that this stuff is coming about and God
• 42:21
  really wants us to be equipped in him and He is working in and
• 42:25
  through US and that to be the requirement.
• 42:28
  Now, I'm not telling anybody out there to go rip up your
• 42:30
  doctorates and your license. And no, I'm just saying plant
• 42:33
  those seeds. Be prepared that there is a time
• 42:35
  coming where it's going to be by the Spirit, not by might or
• 42:40
  strength or how well equipped we are, how famous we are or who we
• 42:43
  know or don't know. No, it is going to come by the
• 42:46
  Spirit of God and I think that that's a well worthy seed to
• 42:50
  plant. Just riff on that, comment on
• 42:52
  that as you'd like to see. Yeah, I love that.
• 42:55
  You know, when you first started in commenting and saying that I
• 42:59
  think one of the major attacks or agendas of the enemy is to
• 43:03
  get believers to compartmentalize their faith.
• 43:08
  And that has never been what God intended us to do.
• 43:11
  Being a follower of Jesus is who we are.
• 43:15
  It is our identity and if we lay that aside when we are at work,
• 43:21
  no matter what that work is, we are not walking in who God
• 43:27
  called us to be. And I, but I do believe, I mean,
• 43:31
  you know, people, how many Christians do you have working
• 43:33
  in these companies that have these policies that they would
• 43:37
  not agree with on Sunday morning at church, but they are sitting
• 43:42
  there allowing it to happen? You know, how many Christians
• 43:46
  are going along with school boards and school systems that
• 43:50
  say, you know, we can't have the, we have to have this in
• 43:54
  our, you know, school or in our whatever.
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  And they're not taking a stand. You know, how many parents are
• 44:01
  allowing doctors to make decisions about their children,
• 44:06
  the children that God gave them to raise?
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  You know, and I just believe that Christians need to wake up
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  to the attack of the enemy on that, that we are not to
• 44:16
  compartmentalize our faith that it is who we are.
• 44:20
  And it should it should come out of every aspect of our lives.
• 44:24
  And that doesn't just look like being kind and loving.
• 44:27
  Yes, it does look like that. But I think that too many times
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  Christians have said, well, I live out my faith by being
• 44:33
  loving to my neighbor and kind. And you absolutely should do
• 44:35
  that. But you also should take a stand
• 44:39
  when you need to take a stand. And why we have laid down that I
• 44:43
  am really not sure. But it is plaguing our nation,
• 44:46
  specifically the US, and it is hurting us.
• 44:50
  And now people are taking over that say they have faith and
• 44:55
  that and that does not line up with God's word at all.
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  And I do believe we're going to be held accountable for that.
• 45:04
  Yeah, it's a scary reality for some people.
• 45:07
  You know, I wrote this little section in my my book.
• 45:11
  It's very small. It's after the poem his way that
• 45:14
  that Doctor Laura prophesied over.
• 45:16
  But just the snippet of it goes some in shame, some will glow.
• 45:21
  Time will tell, all will know and it's just my way of closing
• 45:25
  out and planning the seed that yes, we're going to have to
• 45:29
  answer for this. Literally washing blood off of
• 45:32
  our own hands requires us to cry out and spare not.
• 45:36
  And I think that there's a lot of people that are in Christ or
• 45:40
  that have the, even the potential to come into Christ,
• 45:42
  maybe some of them that have been misled into religious
• 45:45
  spirits and, and doctrines of devils so deep that they, they
• 45:48
  can't distinguish the truth from the lie.
• 45:51
  But there's a lot of people out there that would be quick to
• 45:53
  say, yes, I'm a Christian, right?
• 45:55
  We do these world tolls and we say, Oh, there's 2 billion
• 45:58
  Christians on the earth and there's now there's 2 billion
• 46:01
  Muslims on the earth. And now, oh, Christianity is not
• 46:04
  going to be the biggest religion in the trajectory in 10 years
• 46:07
  from now. You know, we, we, we hear this
• 46:08
  stuff, right? And I'm not saying that's
• 46:10
  completely accurate. I was just using that as an
• 46:12
  example. But if we were really about
• 46:15
  God's business and we really were letting that word be stored
• 46:18
  up in our heart that we wouldn't send against Him, and then we'd
• 46:21
  understand that sometimes doing that's what is not right is also
• 46:25
  sin. And now it's terrifying because
• 46:27
  it's like, who can save me from this wretched flesh?
• 46:29
  Like it's not even like, you know, sometimes we come to the
• 46:32
  reality, it's like not even doing something wicked, that sin
• 46:35
  is also not doing what is right. That is sin.
• 46:40
  And this is where the power of God and the love of God should
• 46:44
  start to overcome and wash our minds to rebuild us.
• 46:48
  And This is why I love what you're doing.
• 46:49
  And there's so many other people out there that are willing to
• 46:51
  take that stand and contest and say, you know what?
• 46:54
  Not going to bow down. Not going to sugarcoat it.
• 46:56
  I'm not going to act like all of this is OK.
• 46:59
  And then when I get to church on Sunday, Hooray.
• 47:01
  Yeah, I agree with you. But then out here, where we're
• 47:03
  supposed to be inculcating. Yeah, where we're supposed to be
• 47:07
  inculcating our regions and not abdicating our responsibility to
• 47:12
  the Kingdom of darkness. Nobody has anything to say.
• 47:15
  And and so the last thing I'm going to say before I pass it
• 47:18
  back to you because you got me on cloud nine.
• 47:19
  I I'm flowing naturally at this point in time, but I'm not even.
• 47:23
  It's just coming out, right? The Bible says do not throw away
• 47:27
  your confidence, which has great reward.
• 47:30
  I was on a men's group study. We typically do these on
• 47:33
  Thursdays that confidence that has great reward.
• 47:37
  We were looking into the Greek and the Hebrew on these
• 47:40
  statements and I would just challenge the listeners to go
• 47:44
  into the word of God and dig a little bit deeper than the
• 47:47
  pastor may have told you to with fear and trembling.
• 47:51
  Dive in a little bit deeper and just make yourself vulnerable
• 47:54
  before God and just say God equip me, I need your power.
• 47:58
  I need everything that you offer for this day that I live in
• 48:01
  because listen, many are called, but few are chosen.
• 48:06
  Yeah. I want you guys to hear good and
• 48:10
  well done at the end of this age and that is going to require a
• 48:12
  bit of sacrifice. That is going to require taking
• 48:15
  a stand. It is going to be uncomfortable.
• 48:19
  Absolutely. And I do think that the enemy
• 48:22
  people compartmentalize because they are responding out of fear.
• 48:27
  Correct. Correct and fear, you know,
• 48:29
  Laura Singer, doctor Laura Singer will talk about that's
• 48:31
  the lowest frequency and fear has been the tactic of the enemy
• 48:34
  at the base of it. And I think that's why often God
• 48:37
  says in scripture, and I agree with you, dig deep and find to
• 48:41
  do not fear because he says I will be with you.
• 48:45
  And that's where we really need to put ourselves out there and
• 48:48
  say, hey, I'm going to fight this battle.
• 48:50
  I'm going to go out and I'm going to be someone who has
• 48:53
  dominion over the earth and not let these principalities take
• 48:56
  over because I know God is with me, the God of the universe, the
• 49:01
  creator. And when we understand that and
• 49:05
  learn it and work from a place of that, that's a different
• 49:08
  conversation. And if we look at the Old
• 49:10
  Testament, even the New Testament, all the battles that
• 49:14
  people of God walked through, they weren't easy.
• 49:18
  They had losses, they had this, they had that, but they
• 49:22
  ultimately were victorious because God was with them.
• 49:28
  And I think we also have to remember that Jesus has defeated
• 49:31
  all the forces of darkness on the cross.
• 49:33
  So we are fighting from a place of victory.
• 49:36
  Let's go. You know, we forget that but and
• 49:42
  I think when I and I'll tell you I had the best Easter once I
• 49:47
  realized Doctor Michael Hazard's, you know, divine
• 49:51
  Council worldview and looking at Easter like ice always get
• 49:55
  excited or Resurrection Sunday that Jesus defeated Death Hill
• 49:59
  in the grave. You know he'd say that, you
• 50:02
  know, he rose, he defeated death.
• 50:03
  All that sounded great, but when you look at what he actually
• 50:06
  did, he defeated death, which was what Satan brought about.
• 50:10
  He defeated the bloodline problems by shedding his own
• 50:14
  blood, and he gave us a way for us to be back into the family of
• 50:19
  God that is way more than what people actually think of when it
• 50:24
  comes to Jesus. So Jesus has defeated all those
• 50:27
  principalities that say, hey, I don't want you to be in God's
• 50:29
  family because that's ultimately what God wants is for us to be
• 50:32
  in his family. God gave a way for all the
• 50:35
  nations to come back to him. He defeated the the bloodline
• 50:39
  issues where the fallen sons of God are trying to defeat.
• 50:43
  You know what a human being is as transhumanists, transgender,
• 50:46
  all these, you know, things. He defeated the beings, the
• 50:49
  entities that wanted to attack that and he defeated death.
• 50:54
  He defeated all of that, and we fight from that place when we go
• 50:59
  out in the world. And because that God is with us,
• 51:02
  that's how we can go out and not fear what our boss is going to
• 51:06
  say, what the school board is going to say, what anybody's
• 51:10
  going to say, what the court system will say.
• 51:14
  I think the verse goes fanning the flame of faith that it may
• 51:18
  grow within you, right? Don't know where it's at, but I
• 51:22
  know it's in there. That's how I feel talking with
• 51:25
  you right now. And you just made this great
• 51:29
  point that we've been born for such a time as this.
• 51:32
  This is the time to open up and spare a knot and to just
• 51:36
  sharpen. It takes iron to sharpen iron.
• 51:39
  But when you had talked about, you know, the Gospel literally
• 51:42
  bringing us back into the family of God, that's the worldview
• 51:47
  that people need to understand. All of these different things
• 51:49
  that we can list out that seem minor in the big picture, like,
• 51:52
  oh, this is just a small sin. This isn't a game changer for my
• 51:56
  life. But all of it builds in the
• 51:57
  direction to keep us from being brought back into the family of
• 52:02
  God. We've been given a measure of
• 52:03
  faith. He who started this good work
• 52:05
  and he will will bring it to a finish.
• 52:08
  And this man, the, the systems of the world have completely
• 52:13
  neglected this reality and, and it is the duty, the
• 52:17
  responsibility of the body of Christ.
• 52:18
  So I love the way that you put it because you're right.
• 52:21
  All these people that went out before us.
• 52:22
  Now the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
• 52:24
  Now we're training ourselves in godliness.
• 52:26
  We're going through difficult seasons, being, let's just say,
• 52:30
  tested and perfected. And now here we are, here we are
• 52:35
  making the stand saying welcome back to the family of God,
• 52:41
  right? This is what the whole system
• 52:44
  has been programmed to keep you from understanding.
• 52:49
  You know, I've heard different commentators say things about,
• 52:52
  you know, the fallen sons of God before the flood and the
• 52:55
  creation of the Nephilim, that they were really attacking the
• 52:58
  family and the idea that humans could procreate and have a
• 53:02
  family. And so you think about the
• 53:06
  attack on the family, whether that's, you know, you're in a
• 53:09
  relationship where you can't have children because you're in
• 53:13
  a homosexual relationship or, you know, and you have to go
• 53:16
  through alternative means, or, you know, the family has just
• 53:21
  been attacked with so many different issues of abuse or
• 53:26
  whatever. You can definitely see how the
• 53:27
  enemy goes hard after the family.
• 53:31
  That's because God loves family and wants us to be in his
• 53:34
  family. And so any attack that the enemy
• 53:38
  can go and bestow on a on us and that idea of family, he's going
• 53:43
  after it, He's going after it, he's going after it.
• 54:05
  We have listeners in all 50 states here.
• 54:07
  We're not a huge, we don't get mega downloads, but I really do
• 54:10
  believe we have the right people listening in the right places.
• 54:14
  So I'm going to ask, what's the area that your practice is
• 54:17
  located in? I mean, obviously they don't
• 54:19
  need to come in person to get training, right?
• 54:21
  You do online courses, you do teachings online, right?
• 54:24
  So let's just dive into a little bit about what what you can
• 54:27
  offer people that are looking for a deeper equipping so that
• 54:31
  they can start to walk in God's calling for their life.
• 54:35
  Absolutely. I'm outside.
• 54:36
  I'm the Charlotte metro area of North Carolina.
• 54:38
  You can probably tell by my accent, I'm a Southern born and
• 54:42
  raised. But so I'm here and I have a
• 54:46
  practice of private counseling practice and I have about 15
• 54:49
  practitioners that and we are faith-based, but we don't
• 54:53
  advertise it necessarily that way because we don't want that
• 54:56
  to stop anyone from coming in. We don't just see people who
• 54:59
  have, you know, already committed to the faith in Jesus.
• 55:03
  And we see a lot people of all walks of life because we want to
• 55:06
  meet them where we are. So we offer that.
• 55:08
  But then, you know, because God has just given me this ability
• 55:13
  and passion to want to share what I'm learning with other
• 55:16
  practitioners and pastors and families or whatever about what
• 55:20
  the true attack on mental health is.
• 55:23
  I have developed an online course to be able to share that
• 55:26
  with people. And even just the assessment
• 55:28
  itself, honestly, Rod, I think is helping people.
• 55:30
  I've had law enforcement ask me about it because the assessment
• 55:34
  even like their behavioral analysts to work in law
• 55:37
  enforcement who are trying to stop school shootings or, you
• 55:40
  know, all kinds of things like that.
• 55:41
  And these are questions that they're not often asking.
• 55:44
  And so I kind of go through how evil can be introduced in
• 55:49
  someone's life. And if you ask those questions
• 55:51
  and you look at these different questions, so for example, you
• 55:54
  know, as someone using divination materials at home,
• 55:57
  like crystals or tarot cards or whatever, things like that, that
• 56:02
  could be open them up to evil that influences them to do
• 56:05
  things that they normally wouldn't do.
• 56:07
  Those are questions that often law enforcement doesn't ask
• 56:10
  because mental health assessments typically don't ask
• 56:12
  those types of questions. So I've just created a plethora
• 56:17
  of resources that within that course that can kind of help
• 56:20
  really not just a practitioner, but even a pastor or a law
• 56:24
  enforcement or a parent who wants to know where the mental
• 56:28
  health struggle is coming from within themselves or within
• 56:32
  someone that they are serving or someone in their family.
• 56:35
  And then hopefully they will have a foundation of
• 56:38
  understanding and then some tools to be able to help that
• 56:41
  person find healing and freedom. For example, the holistic where
• 56:47
  we start looking at food as medicine, medicine as our food.
• 56:49
  Do you, do you incorporate or or see that as being important our
• 56:54
  diets? Yes, absolutely.
• 56:57
  Of course. You know, honestly, mental
• 56:59
  health is is not necessarily the preferred term that I would use
• 57:02
  if I could, but it's just so well known that I would use it.
• 57:05
  Yeah, but it's really health is your whole body and your brain
• 57:08
  is just one part of your body. So and it's impacted by so many
• 57:13
  different things. It works together.
• 57:15
  And so absolutely. I think your food matters.
• 57:18
  You know, I actually tend to agree with some of Doctor Laura
• 57:21
  Sanger's studies that she's mentioned about.
• 57:25
  I don't know if you've heard of her mind virus work that she's
• 57:28
  talked about the Nephilim mind virus and how parasites can
• 57:31
  actually influence you mentally. So that is related to what we
• 57:35
  eat and I, I firmly believe in that.
• 57:38
  I, I have seen that, you know, I think it's important for people
• 57:41
  to do things like a parasite cleanse and it's important for
• 57:44
  you to look at what you're eating.
• 57:46
  And, you know, definitely I take a holistic approach from every
• 57:50
  aspect. I'll look at all that within a
• 57:53
  person and not just assess these other issues for sure.
• 57:58
  I won't get into the details, but there's a lot of
• 58:01
  conversations that take place behind the scenes and it's
• 58:04
  really interesting. I'm surrounded by holistic
• 58:08
  people at this point, like doctors and just holistic
• 58:10
  approaches. And a lot of the conversations
• 58:12
  are for the sharpening and and asking deeper questions.
• 58:16
  Right. So I love what you just said
• 58:17
  there. The Nephilim mine virus.
• 58:19
  He knows a few years ago. We're having these, these
• 58:22
  conversations and looking at lectins in the gut and, and the
• 58:27
  responsibility that, you know, the, the microbiome of the gut,
• 58:32
  it can actually cover the blood brain barrier.
• 58:35
  So you can actually have parasitic activity in the second
• 58:37
  brain, the gut, which is able to literally speak directly into
• 58:43
  the bigger brain and let's say, get you to do things that you
• 58:45
  might not be willing to do if you didn't have that parasitic
• 58:49
  activity. So the connection even between
• 58:52
  the demonic world and parasites. And you know, we know that the
• 58:57
  Amalekites, you know, blood liquors, right?
• 58:59
  And we know that the life is in the blood.
• 59:01
  And we knew parasites are literally eating the life of the
• 59:04
  body. They're stealing nutrition that
• 59:06
  should go into the blood force. There's so many.
• 59:08
  I mean, not not to get too deep into it, but a lot of these
• 59:11
  conversations were were being had over the years, I guess you
• 59:14
  could say, in preparation for how do we attack this from every
• 59:19
  angle? How do we make sure it makes
• 59:20
  sense? You know what I mean?
• 59:22
  Or can people comprehend this? Is this too weird?
• 59:25
  Like, have I, have I crossed the line?
• 59:27
  I've asked myself this like year after year.
• 59:29
  I really do find myself being a little bit less reserved on air
• 59:34
  as time goes on, Doctor Natalie, because, man, I didn't know
• 59:37
  there were so many other people out there that would even
• 59:40
  consider that what I was thinking out loud was tangible
• 59:44
  or usable or I mean, obviously much of it needs critique.
• 59:49
  And God has me around certain people to keep me within
• 59:52
  boundaries, I would say, which is a good thing.
• 59:55
  But you know, these conversations are so important.
• 59:57
  So, you know, we're looking at the, the whole mental health as,
• 1:00:02
  as not being an isolated health field, but it's, it's, it's
• 1:00:06
  completely working in tandem with the rest of the body.
• 1:00:09
  The Bible says we are wonderfully and fearfully
• 1:00:11
  created. Wonderfully and fearfully
• 1:00:14
  created and, and yeah, I, I just couldn't applaud you enough for
• 1:00:19
  what you're doing. Bringing the, the spiritual
• 1:00:22
  awareness, you know, mental health and, and the people out
• 1:00:26
  there that don't have access to this stuff.
• 1:00:28
  I'm going to, I'm just going to say it like this.
• 1:00:30
  I have been in these peculiar situations, Dr. Natalie, where
• 1:00:35
  I've been to a street ministry. I've been in weird situations
• 1:00:39
  where just looking at somebody, getting their eye contact and
• 1:00:43
  just giving them a confirmation. You are a child of God.
• 1:00:47
  Everything that's happened to you, it's not you.
• 1:00:50
  You are not a product of what they did to you.
• 1:00:52
  And I've seen people break down and cry.
• 1:00:55
  I mean, I've seen people try to do deliverance on them.
• 1:00:57
  I've seen all kinds of wild stuff happen.
• 1:00:59
  But man, sometimes I just look at somebody and just feel
• 1:01:02
  because I'm a bit of an empath, right?
• 1:01:04
  I'll start to feel it. And I'm like, man, like I can
• 1:01:08
  relate to this. And and if, if I could just look
• 1:01:11
  at you and download into you the importance of who you are.
• 1:01:15
  And, and I've had people crack grown men, women, I mean, just
• 1:01:19
  all different ages just start to crack and just be like, man, how
• 1:01:22
  did you know to say that to me? Or you know, that was real.
• 1:01:25
  And I'm going, this is God bringing the awareness, working
• 1:01:29
  through his people. It's so important the the eye
• 1:01:33
  contact and, and just a touch on the shoulder.
• 1:01:37
  These things are so important. I'm not going to get into it.
• 1:01:39
  Why right now, Maybe it's a bit of a cliffhanger.
• 1:01:42
  I'll have you back in the future and we'll after testimonial,
• 1:01:45
  like, you know, right now we're kind of getting the audience
• 1:01:48
  warmed up to who you are and, and bouncing these ideas back
• 1:01:51
  and forth. But I think we're going to get
• 1:01:53
  into some of these deeper things in the future that are really
• 1:01:55
  going to help equip people and give them a deeper
• 1:01:58
  understanding. So you just want to comment on
• 1:02:00
  any of that? Yeah, I love that.
• 1:02:03
  And I think it's so true because if you look at brain science and
• 1:02:09
  the intersection of theology, and I'll tell you, I've gleaned
• 1:02:12
  a lot of that knowledge from Jim Wilder and Michael Hendricks and
• 1:02:16
  their other half of church book. They kind of talk about the
• 1:02:19
  intersection of neuroscience and theology and they will talk
• 1:02:22
  about the joy of the Lord and where's that where that is
• 1:02:26
  expressed and that's in the face and that is the eye contact that
• 1:02:30
  you looking at another person face to face, having that
• 1:02:35
  interaction with them. And that's where Joy's
• 1:02:37
  expressed. And there's actually a
• 1:02:39
  connection and attachment that's made when you have that and look
• 1:02:43
  at the attack of the enemy on that specifically.
• 1:02:46
  Let's social distance. Let's get out of you know, let's
• 1:02:50
  do everything online. Let's not have contact with
• 1:02:54
  another human being who God uses to be his imager or his
• 1:02:58
  representative and, and face to face have that.
• 1:03:01
  And so people aren't experiencing the joy of the
• 1:03:04
  Lord. So when you look at someone out
• 1:03:06
  of the love of Christ in your heart and they see that, they
• 1:03:11
  see that you care enough to look them in the eye regardless of
• 1:03:14
  how they look, regardless of where they are.
• 1:03:17
  That is actually a transference of the joy of the Lord And we
• 1:03:22
  are missing that today. And you can see even the attack
• 1:03:25
  of the enemy on that. It takes humility.
• 1:03:30
  Yeah, it's it takes being led by the spirit in a lot of ways.
• 1:03:35
  Yeah. The mind of the flesh is
• 1:03:36
  different than the mind of the spirit.
• 1:03:38
  So I want to ask you, have you ever had a supernatural
• 1:03:42
  encounter? Now, I know this is, this isn't
• 1:03:44
  always the best way to wind down because it it could open a can
• 1:03:48
  of worms, but it just hit me. I'm like, man, I didn't ask this
• 1:03:51
  in the beginning. Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Answer it as you see fit. Have you had anything
• 1:03:55
  supernatural happen that you're willing to testify on?
• 1:03:58
  Yeah, I mean, man, that could mean a lot of different things
• 1:04:01
  to a lot of people. Is there like a specific
• 1:04:03
  direction you want me to go in? Angelic dreams, visions, or a
• 1:04:09
  download of a word. Did you see anything cool happen
• 1:04:12
  on missions trips? As you see, it should be.
• 1:04:14
  Man, I have so many I don't. There's one that comes to mind,
• 1:04:18
  and this was early on. It was actually the first time I
• 1:04:20
  traveled abroad by myself 20 plus years ago, studied abroad
• 1:04:24
  in Ecuador and then did missions work on the weekends and for
• 1:04:28
  some ungodly reason I've packed this massive carry on before
• 1:04:33
  wheels were I feel like a popular thing and I got to the
• 1:04:38
  point in my travels where I live physically could not carry it
• 1:04:41
  anymore. I guess I had all my books in it
• 1:04:44
  and stuff. It was just like no.
• 1:04:45
  Who taught me how to pack? I don't know anyway, but I, I
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  could not pick it up anymore. And I remember just praying
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  like, God, you're going to have to help me.
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  I can't do this. And I put my bag down and this
• 1:04:58
  man came up and literally picked my bag up.
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  I let him and walked me to the next place that I needed to go
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  and put it down. And I knew in that moment, and I
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  have never wavered on this, that that was an Angel sent to help
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  me, to minister to me in that moment.
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  And that was probably my first, like, vivid memory of kind of,
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  you know, engaging in that from that perspective, like a
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  physical sense. But beyond that, I would say
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  being able to sit with people in a counseling setting, I tell my
• 1:05:35
  staff all the time we're like God's CIA agents.
• 1:05:38
  He whispers his secrets to us and through the power of the
• 1:05:42
  Holy Spirit. And there are so many times when
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  I know words that came out of my mouth were not from me like that
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  was 100% a download from the Lord.
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  And you know, then beyond that, I remember, you know, of course,
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  being abroad and being in different environments, even
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  doing I used to do intensive in home assessments and going into
• 1:06:05
  some of those darker places, I would say I knew I have remember
• 1:06:09
  so much the Holy Spirit just being with me and given me a a
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  spirit of power and might and a sound mind and not a spirit of
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  fear when everything else within me would have said this is a
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  fearful moment. And I'll tell you most recently,
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  my friend Beth laughs about this.
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  We were in the airport in Manila and that this is just a silly
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  kind of one, but there was this man who came up to us and like
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  he hit my bag and I was like, look, the southern sass and me
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  came out. I was like, do not touch me,
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  buddy. I don't know who you think you
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  are. But after that, like I just
• 1:06:48
  knew, like something wasn't right about that guy.
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  And then I asked God, I was like, please don't let him be
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  going where we're going and please don't let him be near he.
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  So he was. And then I'm like, Lord, please
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  don't let him be on the same part of the plane that we're on.
• 1:07:00
  He was right beside us and I'm like, OK, what is this, Lord?
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  But I remember there was this one part of me that I felt like
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  there's something evil in this man and I don't know what it is.
• 1:07:11
  And I just spoke out against him on the plane, just rebuking him.
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  And later on, my friend Beth, she said, I don't think he was
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  of this world that way. And she was serious.
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  Like I believe that was there was some kind of, you know, he
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  was a fallen being, he was some type of demonic entity or
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  something like that. Because it was not.
• 1:07:35
  And you know, thank God for the power and might and, and the
• 1:07:40
  power of the Holy Spirit within me.
• 1:07:42
  So I have so many different experiences being some of like
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  God sending his helpers to help us and him just using words.
• 1:07:50
  And even more recently, I've gotten in tune to my dreams.
• 1:07:54
  And what does that mean? Lord, show me what this means.
• 1:07:57
  And I just love how I can look back over prayer journals and
• 1:08:01
  journals and just see how the Holy Spirit has used those
• 1:08:04
  things in my life to show me things and teach me things.
• 1:08:08
  But then, you know, seeing the interaction with some of the
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  evil things, too, you know? Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  So that's sort of like a smorgasbord of my experiences.
• 1:08:22
  And so I want to, I want to ask you this in regards to like what
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  you do and teach and bring awareness to how do you handle
• 1:08:32
  like visions and dreams? Or I guess I should start off by
• 1:08:35
  saying, do you get many people that are sharing visions and
• 1:08:41
  dreams? And if so, how does that get
• 1:08:43
  handled? Yeah, that's a good question.
• 1:08:48
  I have had people for sure. I do have many people who will
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  share that. A lot of times it just kind of
• 1:08:53
  depends on their background. And but sometimes it doesn't
• 1:08:58
  because I do see people again, who aren't believers and aren't
• 1:09:01
  in tune with that. But I have plenty of people who
• 1:09:03
  aren't, you know, 100% following after Jesus.
• 1:09:06
  They might say they're a nominal Christian and they have said,
• 1:09:10
  I've had this dream multiple times.
• 1:09:12
  And I'll just ask the question, do you want me to pray into
• 1:09:15
  that? Do you want me to see like give,
• 1:09:19
  provide some, you know, response to that from a biblical
• 1:09:23
  perspective? And many times they'll say yes.
• 1:09:27
  So I think it's just a matter of being willing to not be freaked
• 1:09:30
  out by what people say to you. And because you have the power
• 1:09:35
  of the Holy Spirit in you to be able to respond in the right
• 1:09:38
  ways, but then waiting and asking the Holy Spirit to truly
• 1:09:41
  teach you how to respond the right ways in line with His
• 1:09:45
  Word. That's for the mature believers
• 1:09:49
  out there that trust in and wait on the spirit to move.
• 1:09:55
  And he's our teacher. He's our teacher.
• 1:09:58
  Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of
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  influx of dreams that that I've been getting personally, and
• 1:10:05
  then people sending to me and emailing me on their dreams.
• 1:10:08
  And I don't always have the best response.
• 1:10:10
  And I'm kind of, you know, there's times where the Spirit
• 1:10:14
  will quicken me and I'll understand, OK, this needs to be
• 1:10:16
  prayed about. And there's a couple people that
• 1:10:19
  I've been able to fall back on and say, can you, can you pray
• 1:10:23
  about this? Because this isn't my strong
• 1:10:24
  suit, you know, So, you know, here we are.
• 1:10:28
  God is bringing his people together to create an even
• 1:10:31
  stronger network of resources and compassion and power that is
• 1:10:36
  done through love and through the body, most importantly, the
• 1:10:41
  body of Christ. So I want you to tell people
• 1:10:44
  where you can be found. What exactly is it that you're
• 1:10:48
  working on currently? And just kind of close this out
• 1:10:52
  with a word of encouragement from there.
• 1:10:55
  Oh, thank you so much. You can find me on
• 1:10:57
  mentalwarriorconsulting.com and all my socials are on there and
• 1:11:02
  I can, you know, send you all the socials to put in the show
• 1:11:05
  notes if you'd like to. Or you can find me at Doctor
• 1:11:07
  Natalie Atwell on Instagram. You can find that on Facebook as
• 1:11:12
  well. And I'm just trying to provide
• 1:11:13
  content and videos to just kind of help warm people up to the
• 1:11:17
  idea that mental health is influenced a lot of times by
• 1:11:21
  things that are outside of you, that are not of this world even.
• 1:11:25
  And what I'm currently working on is I'm writing.
• 1:11:29
  I want to write a book about the themes in the course and kind of
• 1:11:33
  what I've outlined in the course, just to be able to
• 1:11:35
  provide something for someone to hit say, hey, I got this for
• 1:11:38
  you. I want to share it with you.
• 1:11:39
  This might be a blessing to you or someone else or help provide
• 1:11:43
  some understanding. And so, you know, I'm just
• 1:11:45
  praying about God giving me more time and a margin in my life to
• 1:11:50
  be able to finish that task. And I'll just encourage everyone
• 1:11:56
  out there to be reminded that it is important to know you know
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  who your enemy is. I'll give you this quote that
• 1:12:04
  it's actually not really a spiritual book, but it's by it's
• 1:12:07
  in the book The Art of War. It says if you know the enemy,
• 1:12:09
  it's by Sun Tzu. If you know the enemy and know
• 1:12:13
  yourself, you need not fear the result of 100 battles.
• 1:12:17
  If you know yourself, but no, but not the enemy, for every
• 1:12:21
  victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
• 1:12:25
  If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb
• 1:12:28
  in every battle. So I say that to say that there
• 1:12:32
  it's really important for you to understand who your enemy is,
• 1:12:37
  who you are and who you are is an imager of God, a
• 1:12:41
  representative of God. You are called to be His
• 1:12:43
  representative. Not everybody lives that out the
• 1:12:45
  way they should, but it's going to fulfill you and your purpose
• 1:12:49
  in life. If you find out what that means
• 1:12:52
  and be a loyal follower of Jesus and also understand who your
• 1:12:56
  enemy is and how he attacks you, then you're going to win those
• 1:13:00
  battles and you can do it. I really believe that because
• 1:13:06
  that's what God's Word teaches, and I'm proof of that.
• 1:13:09
  One day at a time. The law of the Lord is perfect,
• 1:13:15
  converting the soul. The testimony of the Lord is
• 1:13:19
  sure, making wise the simple. The statues of the Lord are
• 1:13:23
  right rejoicing the heart and the commandment of the Lord is
• 1:13:27
  pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean,
• 1:13:31
  enduring forever. The judgments of the Lord are
• 1:13:33
  true and righteous all together. More to be desired, are they
• 1:13:37
  than gold? Yeah, the mush fine gold,
• 1:13:40
  sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
• 1:13:44
  Moreover, by them is thy servant warned, and in keeping of them
• 1:13:48
  is their great reward. Psalms 19, seven through 11.
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  Doctor Natalie, I really just want to honor you and thank you
• 1:13:58
  for the time that you have spent here with us today.
• 1:14:00
  This is not the last time that you're going to be here with me.
• 1:14:03
  I have some topics in mind that the Lord was whispering to me
• 1:14:07
  already even before our part one.
• 1:14:10
  It's interesting how God works that we're going to be covering
• 1:14:12
  down the road, Lord willing. So thank you so much for
• 1:14:15
  spending this time. It's been an honor.
• 1:14:18
  Thank you so much Rod, and thank you for your audience.
• 1:14:21
  We praying for you all. Even though I don't know you by
• 1:14:23
  name, but I I know that there's a body of believers out there
• 1:14:27
  who wants to learn these things to help people be set free in
• 1:14:30
  the name of Jesus. So thank you all so much for
• 1:14:32
  your time and listening. Well, that's it.
• 1:14:35
  That's the show you guys. I'm going to ask you to share
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  this with your friends, family members, Co workers, and share
• 1:14:40
  this with your pastor, with your doctor coming to you from
• 1:14:45
  Southeastern Pennsylvania. God bless and goodbye, Doctor.
• 1:14:59
  Natalie, you had me flowing on Cloud 9 in so many ways because
• 1:15:04
  I'm like, I'm like, oh, I'm losing my interview mode and I'm
• 1:15:07
  going into like. Oh, I love that I.
• 1:15:11
  Love that. Yeah.
• 1:15:13
  It was, it was encouraging to me.
• 1:15:14
  I thought that was beautiful. We're supposed to spur one
• 1:15:16
  another on to good works, right? So I love that.
• 1:15:19
  Yeah, that was the word that was even coming forward to me in the
• 1:15:22
  moment is that's one of the hard things about being an
• 1:15:26
  interviewer is can make you come alive and you start being, you
• 1:15:33
  know, you're like, oh, I wish I was out in front of 300 people
• 1:15:36
  right now in person doing this. This would be a riot, right?
• 1:15:39
  It's so good, I love it. I've been feeling like I'm
• 1:15:48
  lukewarm. Gotta make a move go be in the
• 1:15:50
  world out of the world that I'm still trying to do.
• 1:15:53
  Don't care. They judge me.
• 1:15:54
  Father God just being vulnerable.
• 1:15:56
  I can gain a word to lose my soul.
• 1:15:57
  So if I would I lose you say this was no tightrope.
• 1:16:01
  I need time to repeat. So if I die, please let me die
• 1:16:04
  slow. Just thankful it ain't done no
• 1:16:06
  more. You came and cut the light on
• 1:16:07
  you just want us to step in this so we can get our shine on.
• 1:16:10
  I seen them demons casting out that body have my mind because
• 1:16:15
  you can't be in love in the world if you want to love Christ
• 1:16:20
  said you got to keep it all. You got that shot, the shot.
• 1:16:28
  Would you rather be loved by men or loved by Christ?
• 1:16:34
  Said you got to keep it all. You got that shot the shot the.