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Sharri | 2 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond with
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Speaker 2: you for the rest of the week. Well tonight, the
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Speaker 2: Greens admit they were never a Green party and instead
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Speaker 2: just a group of extreme left radicals. Might take on
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Speaker 2: that in a moment. Also tonight, Australian journalists caught up
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Speaker 2: in the chaos as Iran launched its attack on Israel.
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Speaker 2: Or your Mendez will join me live from Tel Aviv.
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Speaker 2: Plus what's next in this new phase of war? Terror
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Speaker 2: expert Greg Barton coming up shortly and a clear winner
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Speaker 2: in the one and only vice presidential debate.
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Speaker 3: But did it move the needle?
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Speaker 2: The Australian's Adam Crichton live from Washington a little later. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you want to know who the Greens are, just
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Speaker 2: ask them. I've previously lamented that the Greens have morphed
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Speaker 2: from an environmentalist party, you know, tree hugging and all
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Speaker 2: that carry on, to a socialist, extreme left crack pot outfit,
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Speaker 2: and the federal government has been trying to suggest the
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Speaker 2: same thing. Recon This was the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 2: last Monday.
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Speaker 4: So Adam Bant has changed the way that the Green's
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Speaker 4: political Party operate. They don't talk about the environment anymore.
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Speaker 4: They talk about some extreme agenda they seek to divide.
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Speaker 2: A few days later, on Thursday, Environment Minister Tanya Plibosek
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Speaker 2: told our Laura Jay is much the same thing.
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Speaker 5: I don't think the Green's political Party are the party
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Speaker 5: of Bob Brown anymore. The idea that Max Chandler may
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Speaker 5: would spend more time defending John Setka and the bikey
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Speaker 5: infiltration of the CFMU than he spends defending the environment,
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Speaker 5: I think tells you all you need to know about
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Speaker 5: the modern Greens. I just don't think this is a
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Speaker 5: party of environmentalists anymore.
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Speaker 2: She then repeated the same lines that afternoon on two GB.
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Speaker 6: In recent years, what you've seen is it's not the
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Speaker 6: party of Bob Brown anymore. It's not a party of
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Speaker 6: environmentalists anymore. It's actually a party of I think you
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Speaker 6: described it as anarchists. I don't get some of the
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Speaker 6: positions they're taking really are completely contrary to things that
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Speaker 6: they've stood up for in the past and argued for.
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Speaker 2: Clearly, this is a message that the government is trying
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Speaker 2: to drive that the Greens have moved away from environmentalism
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Speaker 2: into wacky territory because they're worried, particularly in the city
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Speaker 2: MPs like Albanesi and Plibasic, that they are under threat
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Speaker 2: from the Greens. And I'm sure a lot of people
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Speaker 2: do look at the Greens and see the same and go, well,
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Speaker 2: they're a greenee party and worried about climate change. That
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Speaker 2: sounds good enough for me. But it seems I was wrong.
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Speaker 2: They haven't changed. They were never just an environmentalist party now.
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Speaker 2: They were formed from an amalgamation of green groups from
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Speaker 2: across the country and Bob Brown, best known for farting
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Speaker 2: against dams and forestry in Tasmania, essentially built the party
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Speaker 2: that we know today. And he told the Sydney Morning
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Speaker 2: Herald today that the Greens haven't changed at all. It's
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Speaker 2: actually labor that has somehow lurched to the right. He said,
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Speaker 2: quote the electric accept that the Greens are the best
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Speaker 2: party for the environment, but what I'm seeing now is
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Speaker 2: the electorate seeing more and more that the same applies
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Speaker 2: for social justice. It's an evolution of understanding. The Greens
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Speaker 2: haven't changed or abandoned their aims, They've just evolved. Brown
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Speaker 2: went on, Anthony Albanzi is turning out to be the
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Speaker 2: least environmentally minded labor prime minister in a long time.
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Speaker 2: It's a bit tragic that even Tanya Plibersek, who hasn't
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Speaker 2: turned out to be a strong environment minister, is having
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Speaker 2: the ground cut from underneath her repeatedly by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: He even said Albanzi was quote sounding like a right
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Speaker 2: wing National Party apparachik when he talked about the Greens.
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Speaker 2: The Greens of today are, according to Bob Brown, still
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Speaker 2: the Greens of his day, the party of Max Chandler Matha,
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Speaker 2: who appeared at a rally in support of the cfmy
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Speaker 2: U in August after the Union was accused of being
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Speaker 2: overrun by bikies and other criminal thugs, where people waved
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Speaker 2: signs showing the Prime Minister with a Hitler mustache calling
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Speaker 2: him alber Nazi, the party of Marine Feruki, who pulled
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Speaker 2: off this pathetic stunt in the Senate just a month
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Speaker 2: after the October seven terrorist attacks on Israel.
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Speaker 3: You are not condemning Israel. You refuse to call for.
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Speaker 1: An immediate cease fire.
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Speaker 7: Well, we are not going to sit here and watch
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Speaker 7: you bat yourselves on the back for doing nothing. Welworths
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Speaker 7: are not going to stop war crimes. Today we bring
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Speaker 7: the people's protest into Parliament.
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Speaker 1: Free Free Palestine.
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Speaker 5: Thank you Senator Faruki, Minister Farrell. That was a statement, So.
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Speaker 7: Order order Senator Hanson.
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Speaker 2: Later that month she stood next to a sign that
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Speaker 2: said keep the world clean and showed the Israeli flag
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Speaker 2: being thrown in a bin. The Party of Jenny Leong
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Speaker 2: who invoked Nazi era anti Semitic propaganda. Their tentacles reach
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Speaker 2: in to the areas.
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Speaker 8: That try influence power, and.
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Speaker 2: I think that we need to call.
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Speaker 8: That out and expose it.
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Speaker 2: The party that is so shortsighted that it thinks freezing
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Speaker 2: rents will somehow magically help the housing crisis instead of
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Speaker 2: encouraging fewer people to invest in the housing market, whether
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Speaker 2: that be putting existing houses up for rent or building
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Speaker 2: new ones for people to rent in the future. In fact,
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Speaker 2: if you go to their website, they name six big
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Speaker 2: policy platforms. The first two are freeze rents and interest
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Speaker 2: rates and stop supermarket price gouging. Then we get to
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Speaker 2: an environmental policy, stop labour's coal and gas. Then end
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Speaker 2: the invasion of Gaza dental and mental health into medicare,
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Speaker 2: and free union tafe hover over the hour plan tab
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Speaker 2: on their website and the first thing, listen, it isn't
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Speaker 2: about the environment, it's truth and Treaty where they say
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Speaker 2: that sovereignty has never been seeded. All of this far left,
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Speaker 2: economically illiterate policies have nothing to do with the environment.
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Speaker 2: And Bob Brown, the renowned environmentalist, says this is still
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Speaker 2: the party he led. The Greens are a stalking horse
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Speaker 2: for radical left wing socialist ideology cloaked in environmentalism, and
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Speaker 2: if we take mister Brown at his word, that was
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Speaker 2: the plan all along. A lot of people still think
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Speaker 2: of the Greens as a green party, but they're not.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to be, and they never intended to be.
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Speaker 2: They're not going to correct course back to an environmental party.
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Speaker 2: This is all part of the design and that might
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Speaker 2: come as a bit of a surprise to a lot
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Speaker 2: of people who got involved with the Greens two or
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Speaker 2: three decades ago to fight for the environment. They should
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Speaker 2: just be honest, rename themselves to the socialist party, watermelons
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Speaker 2: green on the outside and read on the inside. To
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Speaker 2: keep calling themselves the Greens, I think is fraudulent. And
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Speaker 2: if we end up with a hung parliament next year.
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Speaker 2: They won't just have labor over the barrel on the environment.
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Speaker 2: It'll be the most extreme socialist stuff you can imagine.
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Speaker 2: They haven't changed, They've just ridden on the coattails of
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Speaker 2: environmentalism long enough and built up enough support to finally
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Speaker 2: drive the radical agenda they want, and Bob Brown has
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Speaker 2: admitted it.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: The New South Wales Police are going to the Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court to stop pro Palestinian rallies on October the sixth
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Speaker 2: and seventh. Monday will be the first anniversary of the
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Speaker 2: October seven terror attacks on Israel, the biggest single slaughter
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Speaker 2: of Jews since the Holocaust. Of course, now there will
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Speaker 2: be a protest on Sunday the sixth and a vigil
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Speaker 2: on Monday the seventh.
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Speaker 3: Is what we are told.
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Speaker 2: So the protest organizers followed the correct procedures in advising
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Speaker 2: the police of their intention to test, but the police believe,
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Speaker 2: given the dates in question, that they cannot be conducted
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Speaker 2: safely and want to stop them. Both the Human Rights
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Speaker 2: Law Center and Amnesty International have today called for the
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Speaker 2: police to withdraw their application to the court, claiming it
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Speaker 2: would inhibit the right to protest. The Palestine Action Group
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Speaker 2: is organizing the events, and their spokesman Josh Lees, said
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Speaker 2: they would go ahead regardless of what happens. He said, quote,
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Speaker 2: if we need to, we will fight this in court,
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Speaker 2: and we are confident actually that we would win this
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Speaker 2: in court. Even if we were to lose that case,
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Speaker 2: we would go ahead with our protest, no regard for
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Speaker 2: the law and their vigil on October seven, the day
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Speaker 2: that one one hundred and thirty nine people were killed
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Speaker 2: by Hamas terrorists, is not for those victims. It's for
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Speaker 2: people who've been killed in Gaza since Lee said, it's
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Speaker 2: outrageous that the authorities would attempt to ban people's right
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Speaker 2: degree for their loved ones and family members who've been
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Speaker 2: killed forty two thousand of them in Gaza, nearly two
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Speaker 2: thousand in Lebanon. Now, No, what is outrageous is that
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Speaker 2: you would take the day of a terror attack that
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Speaker 2: emanated from Gaza and then use that to protest against
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Speaker 2: the war that it created.
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Speaker 3: This shouldn't even be a question.
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Speaker 2: It shouldn't be a matter of whether you consider yourself
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Speaker 2: pro Palestine or pro Israel. It shouldn't matter whether you
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Speaker 2: oppose the war. To hold a protest on the day
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Speaker 2: before the anniversary of the terror attack, and a vigil
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Speaker 2: on the anniversary of the terror attack, but not a
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Speaker 2: vigil for the Jews in Israelis who were killed on
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Speaker 2: that day is repugnant and inflammatory. You have the right
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Speaker 2: to protest, and you should always have the right to protest.
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Speaker 2: You're allowed to protest against the war, and they've been
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Speaker 2: doing so for a year. I will defend your right
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Speaker 2: to protest if you do it within the bounds of decency.
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Speaker 2: You don't disrupt other people's lives, no matter how much
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Speaker 2: I might disagree with you. That's just the way things
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Speaker 2: ought to be. But holding rallies on October six and
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Speaker 2: seven is not protesting. It's a slap in the face
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Speaker 2: to the innocent people who were slaughtered on October seven
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Speaker 2: and their families. It is the glorification of terrorism, pure
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Speaker 2: and simple. The organizers knew exactly what they were doing
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Speaker 2: when they planned this. It's divisive, it's inflammatory, and it
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Speaker 2: looks for all the world like they are supporting what
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Speaker 2: happened on October seven. The support and glorification of Islamis
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Speaker 2: terrorism cannot be allowed in any way. It is disgusting,
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Speaker 2: it is dangerous. It has the potential to incite violence.
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Speaker 2: You can't claim to be protesting against the loss of
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Speaker 2: civilian lives in Gaza when you won't even let Jews
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Speaker 2: and Israelis observe the anniversary of the slaughter of the
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Speaker 2: innocent friends and family in peace. Dare you hijack such
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Speaker 2: a horrible day? You can protest any other days of
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Speaker 2: the year. Why choose October the sixth and seventh unless
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Speaker 2: you support what happened nearly a year ago. Anyone who
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Speaker 2: rocks up to these rallies next week, regardless of the
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Speaker 2: decision of the Supreme Court, should hang their head in shame.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is former Labor minister Graham Richardson and
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Speaker 2: Scarne New's contributor Gary Hardgrave.
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Speaker 3: Gents welcome, rich O.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of a ground coming out today
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Speaker 2: basically saying the Greens are still the Greens that I
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Speaker 2: led all those years back then?
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Speaker 9: I think I think that's rather pathetic. I had a
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Speaker 9: lot to there with Bob Brown way back when, and
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Speaker 9: there were Greens involved, but they've been gradually pushed out
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Speaker 9: of the party. It's now the hard left party of Australia.
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Speaker 9: It's got very little to do with saving trees and
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Speaker 9: everything to do with an agenda that most Australians would
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Speaker 9: find to use the word you just use repugnant.
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Speaker 3: But shouldn't we take him at his word?
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Speaker 2: Gary, I mean, he's essentially admitting here that they never
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Speaker 2: were just a Green party. They're an extremelyft party. They
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Speaker 2: now have enough support to do it without particularly worrying
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Speaker 2: about getting the environmentalists offside.
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Speaker 10: Look, Caleb and rich are great to be with you both.
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Speaker 10: Let me say that the Greens are exactly what they
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Speaker 10: were always set out to be, and that is internationalists.
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Speaker 10: They don't actually care about Australia. They're trying to take
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Speaker 10: on Western civilization. Kill at Stone dead. They've used the environment,
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Speaker 10: which rich O and I we were all on a
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Speaker 10: unity ticket. We care about the environment, but we actually
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Speaker 10: care about our way alive, and we care about our freedom.
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Speaker 10: We care about the civilization has delivered us thus far.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have a debate about things.
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Speaker 10: But these people don't want anybody to have anything to
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Speaker 10: say except them.
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Speaker 1: And it is an internationalist.
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Speaker 10: It is against countries like ours, it's against our civilization.
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Speaker 1: These people are the stalking horses.
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Speaker 10: They are, as rich I said, the extreme left of
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Speaker 10: Australia and anything extreme is bad and we've just got
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Speaker 10: a much more egalitarian approach to the world than these people,
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Speaker 10: and everything you've said, Caleb is spot on.
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Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to be with you tonight.
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Speaker 2: Well up in your state of Queensland, Garry. Of course,
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Speaker 2: we saw today that Stephen Marles, the Labor Premier, says
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Speaker 2: he would actually do a deal with the Greens if
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Speaker 2: it to secured him government again. And you know we
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Speaker 2: always hear leaders say, oh, we won't do any deals
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Speaker 2: with anyone, but you can bet your bottom dollar that
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Speaker 2: if Anthony Albanizi is steering down the barrel of forming
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Speaker 2: government or not on the Greens of what stands in
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Speaker 2: the way, he will do it and that will be
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Speaker 2: dangerous for all of us. Now, going back to what
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Speaker 2: I was talking about before, with these pro Palestine protests,
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Speaker 2: there's a woman today has been charged after allegedly waiving
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Speaker 2: a his Bala flag at last week n's protest in
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Speaker 2: sid The police said that the nineteen year old handed
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Speaker 2: herself in because they'd put out photographs of are imploring
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Speaker 2: her to come in and do so. And I mentioned
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Speaker 2: before these idiots who are planning to protest on October
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Speaker 2: the sixth and seventh in Sydney, even if the Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court tells them not to, Richo, how could anyone possibly
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Speaker 2: rock up to a quote unquote pro Palestinian protest on
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Speaker 2: the sixth or seventh of October without being there to
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Speaker 2: essentially say that they support the slaughter of Jews that
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Speaker 2: occurred on October the seventh.
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Speaker 9: But they very actively do support that slaughter. That's what's
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Speaker 9: so terrifying to me about all of this. These people
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Speaker 9: have no problem sitting back and actually agreeing with the death,
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Speaker 9: the gruesome death of hundreds of people. I mean, I'll
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Speaker 9: find that just bizarre. How can you do that? No
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Speaker 9: civilized person can possibly do that.
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Speaker 2: As I said before, Gary, one of their organizers, said,
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Speaker 2: if we need to, we will fight this in court,
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Speaker 2: and we are confident actually that we would win in court.
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Speaker 2: Even if we lose that case, we are going to
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Speaker 2: go ahead with our protests. Now, assuming that the Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court says that this cannot go ahead, the coppers should
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Speaker 2: be down there on the weekend rounding up every single
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Speaker 2: one of these people and putting them in a cell.
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Speaker 2: And if there is anyone there who is seeming to
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Speaker 2: be in support of October seventh, who is here on
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Speaker 2: a visa. As far as I'm concerned, they should be
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Speaker 2: sent packing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Look, and even if they've got permanent residency, you can
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Speaker 10: make a temporary and you can deal with those less
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Speaker 10: substantial visas pretty fast.
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Speaker 1: They should go.
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Speaker 10: Look, I think people have come to this country to
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Speaker 10: cause this trouble right now, And Cayleb, I think some
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Speaker 10: of the organizers are heavily influenced by foreign agents who
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Speaker 10: are now living amongst us. It's pretty simple. They are
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Speaker 10: attacking Western society. These people don't care about how laws.
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Speaker 10: They are a law under them, so they'll do everything
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Speaker 10: they can. And look, I defend people's rights to free speech,
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Speaker 10: but you've got to have responsibility for it. And the
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Speaker 10: taste associated with this is really wrong, Calyb. This is
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Speaker 10: not a pro Palestine thing, This is not a pro
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Speaker 10: Gaza thing, This is not a pro Muslim thing. These
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Speaker 10: are terrorists and supporters of terroris who are taking us on.
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Speaker 1: We've got to take them on. And this is many criticism.
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Speaker 10: The Prime Minister is kind of all over the place,
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Speaker 10: you know, and if you don't know where you're going anywhere,
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Speaker 10: it will take you there. That was what George Harrison's
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Speaker 10: saying years ago, and I think that's kind of where
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Speaker 10: we're at.
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Speaker 1: We are leaderlests on this stuff.
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Speaker 10: We need to sharpen our resolve to stand up to
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Speaker 10: this nonce.
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Speaker 2: Here here now, the NDAs Minister Bill Shorten has put
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Speaker 2: out this long list of unproven therapies and alternative treatments
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Speaker 2: that are now going to be officially banned from the
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Speaker 2: National Disability Insurance Scheme.
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Speaker 3: We knew this was coming.
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Speaker 2: But amongst the things that you won't be able to
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Speaker 2: claim sex work, cuddle therapy, whatever the hell that is
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Speaker 2: sounds quite nice, crystal and tarot card reading. You won't
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Speaker 2: be able to get vapes anymore, though you know, you
17:08
Speaker 2: could just go down to the local Tobacconiston by an
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Speaker 2: a llegal one, because that's what Albo wants you to do.
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Speaker 2: Sidekicks have been taken off the list. You won't be
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Speaker 2: able to go on holidays, you won't be able to
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Speaker 2: gamble your money, you won't be able to get tattoos.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, rich Oh, I'm glad that these
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Speaker 2: things have been struck off the list. But the extraordinary
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Speaker 2: thing is that they were a there in the first place,
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Speaker 2: and be that they were allowed to stay there for
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Speaker 2: so damn long.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's pretty I look at things like that and
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Speaker 9: you wonder, how could it have ever developed into that.
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Speaker 9: I don't understand in this country in particular, this is
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Speaker 9: just so foreign and so alien to our way of life?
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Speaker 1: Why would will let it go by?
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Speaker 2: And Gary, of course, when you look at the unemployment
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Speaker 2: statistics at the moment, you look at all the jobs
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Speaker 2: that have been created in the last quarter or so,
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Speaker 2: most of those jobs have been created in either aged
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Speaker 2: care or the NDIS. So employment's not as good in
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Speaker 2: this country as we think it is. We're essentially just
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Speaker 2: propping it up through this massive government scheme that is
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Speaker 2: totally out of control. This is a good start, but
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Speaker 2: my god, there's a lot more work to do on
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Speaker 2: the NDIS.
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Speaker 10: Gary, Well, look, let me say I chairs an advisory
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Speaker 10: group for.
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Speaker 1: An NDIS provider, so I'll put that up front.
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Speaker 10: And what I know is forty two billion dollars of
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Speaker 10: taxpayers funds used to be distributed to state governments. It's
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Speaker 10: now in the hands of individuals to purchase things that
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Speaker 10: are prescribed as suitable for them and their particular disability
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Speaker 10: and their circumstance. Right, So that's the theory behind it.
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Speaker 10: But look in practice, some of these providers have done
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Speaker 10: some pretty ordinary things and I think it's great. I
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Speaker 10: think any legitimate NDIS provider would welcome what Bill Shorten
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Speaker 10: has done here.
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Speaker 1: And it had to be sharpened up, it had to
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Speaker 1: be tidied up.
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Speaker 10: This is meant to make a difference for individuals, and
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Speaker 10: the fact that some are exploiting it, well, look that's
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Speaker 10: what happens.
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Speaker 1: But government's got to crack down. And good on Bill
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Speaker 1: Shorten for doing.
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Speaker 2: It, I say, indeed, I mean, it's just so out
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Speaker 2: of control it's not even funny. The nrama came out
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Speaker 2: today or the insurance chief came out today and said
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Speaker 2: that batteries in electric vehicles should be tested as part
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Speaker 2: of road worthiness tests. She says that it'll help quell
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Speaker 2: driver fears that their cars you won't suddenly combust and
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Speaker 2: hopefully make the rest of us safer, which she thinks
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Speaker 2: will ultimately lead to a higher uptake of evs. I'm
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Speaker 2: not so sure about that, but Julie Batch says that
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Speaker 2: it should just be standard if your car is being
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Speaker 2: assessed for road worthiness. I think she's right in so
19:42
Speaker 2: far as saying that Richo. We know that these lithium
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Speaker 2: ion batteries can be extremely dangerous. Every second day we
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Speaker 2: sort of seem to see a fire caused by them,
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Speaker 2: whether it be a car or an electric bike, or.
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Speaker 3: A vapor or something or another.
19:55
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they're not assessing this stuff already.
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Speaker 9: I think we've had a concern about this for some time,
20:04
Speaker 9: but for some reason, we've not been very good at
20:08
Speaker 9: putting legislation in place to protect ourselves. And this is
20:12
Speaker 9: one thing you need to be getting protection from. You
20:16
Speaker 9: know these things are dangerous, that the lithium batteries are
20:20
Speaker 9: not stable, and there's been too many examples. It's not
20:24
Speaker 9: as if there's one or two. There's examples right across
20:27
Speaker 9: the board of these things blowing up. Well, I don't
20:30
Speaker 9: want them blow up anywhere in near me.
20:33
Speaker 2: I don't blame you, nor do the Chinese Gary, which
20:37
Speaker 2: is a lot of these cars are coming out of China.
20:39
Speaker 2: Now there are hotels and apartment buildings and whatever in
20:43
Speaker 2: China Gary that are now banning evs from being put
20:46
Speaker 2: in their underground car parks because they were a dole
20:48
Speaker 2: joints going to be set on far.
20:51
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there's enough lemons and bombs on the
20:54
Speaker 10: road already.
20:54
Speaker 1: We don't need a few more.
20:55
Speaker 10: But look, the other thing about it, kayleb, is that
20:58
Speaker 10: some of these cars are so done heavy. I don't
21:01
Speaker 10: know whether some of the structures that we're expecting them
21:04
Speaker 10: to go into iron I mean, could you imagine some
21:06
Speaker 10: of these car parks that are rated for a standard
21:08
Speaker 10: internal combustion engine car and then you've got something going
21:11
Speaker 10: to be two and three times here there and hundreds
21:14
Speaker 10: of them in a car park. I'm just saying to
21:16
Speaker 10: you there's a lot of consequences to this. These batteries
21:19
Speaker 10: in these cars bloody heavy, and I don't know whether
21:23
Speaker 10: some of the structures are actually built for it.
21:24
Speaker 4: Now.
21:24
Speaker 10: Not a structural engineer, but I just simply say there's
21:27
Speaker 10: a lot of aspects to this rush.
21:29
Speaker 1: To these evs we need to look at.
21:32
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, just very quickly, Gary, before we go. Your
21:36
Speaker 2: Premier Stephen Miles said today that he'd start a publicly
21:39
Speaker 2: owned electricity retailer if he wins the election, which is
21:42
Speaker 2: highly unlikely. But the funny part of it is that
21:45
Speaker 2: the energy generation is already owned by.
21:48
Speaker 3: The state government. I mean, what a hair brained idea.
21:52
Speaker 10: Yeah, Well, we used to have state owned butcher shops
21:54
Speaker 10: in Queensland one hundred years ago, so anything is possible.
21:56
Speaker 10: It's a very big state. It's decentralized. We want to
21:59
Speaker 10: try and do things. Look, I understand what they're trying
22:01
Speaker 10: to say, but the pitch is this putting a government
22:04
Speaker 10: controlled and government owned a retailer into the mix. Well,
22:08
Speaker 10: they've already got one north of Gimpi all the way
22:11
Speaker 10: through the rest of the coins and there's only one provider.
22:13
Speaker 1: I don't know.
22:14
Speaker 10: They're going to have government competing with government, so the
22:16
Speaker 10: whole thing's like a thought bubble that's suddenly going to
22:19
Speaker 10: swallow them whole.
22:20
Speaker 1: Whether they win or lose, I don't know.
22:22
Speaker 10: They're competitive enough, and you know, two horse race, one
22:26
Speaker 10: of them's got to win.
22:26
Speaker 1: We'll see.
22:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they want to win power, that's for sure.
22:29
Speaker 2: Gary Hardgrave, Graham Richardson, thank you for your time. Well,
22:32
Speaker 2: a new phase of the war in the Middle East
22:35
Speaker 2: has begun now that Iran has launched about two hundred
22:38
Speaker 2: rockets against Israel. Now, most of those missiles were shot
22:41
Speaker 2: down by Israel's sophisticated air defense system, the Iron Dome,
22:46
Speaker 2: but it's believed that some of them were able to
22:48
Speaker 2: hit the territory and the Australians Liam Mendez and Yoni
22:52
Speaker 2: Bashan were caught up in the chaos.
22:54
Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
22:57
Speaker 11: Right there. Well, that's going on for us, said four years.
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Speaker 3: I mean missiles all the way, cars are pulled over
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Speaker 3: on the side.
23:15
Speaker 1: Of people on the stomachs.
23:17
Speaker 8: We come on.
23:18
Speaker 11: This freeway has come to the side, approx. Me one
23:22
Speaker 11: hundred and two missiles, one hundred and two.
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Speaker 1: Hundred and two.
23:27
Speaker 2: Incredible scenes that I'm joined now by Liam Mendez live
23:31
Speaker 2: from Tel Aviv. Liam talks through what you went through
23:35
Speaker 2: today or yesterday.
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Speaker 11: I should say, good evening, Caleb, thanks for having me. Well,
23:43
Speaker 11: my colleague Yonni Bashan and I we've been in Tel
23:46
Speaker 11: Aviv for the last couple of days. We're here in
23:49
Speaker 11: the lead up to the October seventh anniversary, which is approaching,
23:55
Speaker 11: and we were just out in Tel Aviv when we
23:59
Speaker 11: are received a notification that there was a terrorist attack
24:04
Speaker 11: happening not too far away from our location, so we
24:08
Speaker 11: started heading there and then after that is when we
24:12
Speaker 11: started receiving a few more alerts telling us that essentially
24:17
Speaker 11: Iran were launching an attack. Now this was an attack
24:21
Speaker 11: that we'd been notified of a couple of hours earlier,
24:25
Speaker 11: at about three pm. My Yonnie had received a bit
24:32
Speaker 11: of a heads up on this, and so we were
24:37
Speaker 11: sort of anticipating it a little bit, but we didn't
24:39
Speaker 11: really expect it to be this large. It was almost
24:43
Speaker 11: two hundred rockets, some of them with these were ballistic
24:48
Speaker 11: missiles sent from Iran into Israel.
24:56
Speaker 2: I suppose this is not foreign to people who live
25:00
Speaker 2: in Israel. It's certainly not the first time they've seen
25:02
Speaker 2: this in The Iron Dome does a great job.
25:04
Speaker 3: And I know Liam that you're.
25:05
Speaker 2: Not afraid to put yourself in hairy situations, but what
25:08
Speaker 2: was going through your head as you were taking cover?
25:15
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's ry.
25:16
Speaker 11: We've all seen footage of the Iron Dome, but it's
25:19
Speaker 11: quite an extraordinary sight to be seeing it in person.
25:22
Speaker 11: You see these they look like flares, but these are
25:25
Speaker 11: little rockets going up into the into the air and
25:29
Speaker 11: intercepting these these missiles that have been sent over by Iran,
25:35
Speaker 11: and it was it was quite surreal to watch this interception.
25:42
Speaker 11: It's something out of Star Wars, and you know, I
25:46
Speaker 11: think it was just we sort of got into this
25:49
Speaker 11: mode where we just wanted to capture exactly what was
25:52
Speaker 11: happening on the ground here. You know, we're very lucky
25:55
Speaker 11: to be here, to be able to tell the stories
25:57
Speaker 11: here and bring these stories to our raiders.
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Speaker 3: Lea Mindez, keep safe.
26:02
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, and you can follow his
26:04
Speaker 2: reporting in The Australian. He is a gun young reporter
26:08
Speaker 2: and following that attack on Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin nittan
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Speaker 2: Yahoo has warned it was a big mistake.
26:14
Speaker 3: He's vowing to retaliate. Have a listen.
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Speaker 12: Iran made a major mistake this evening and it will
26:20
Speaker 12: pay for it. The regime in Iran just doesn't understand
26:23
Speaker 12: our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to retaliate
26:28
Speaker 12: to our enemies. Sinwar and death did not understand that
26:31
Speaker 12: in Australia and Musen did not understand that, and I
26:34
Speaker 12: guess there are those who do not understand that in
26:37
Speaker 12: teh Run.
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Speaker 2: US President Joe Biden has also offered his support.
26:42
Speaker 13: The attack peers to have been defeated and ineffective, and
26:46
Speaker 13: this is testament Israeli military capability and US military Make
26:51
Speaker 13: no mistake. The United States is fully, fully, fully supportive
26:55
Speaker 13: of Israel.
26:57
Speaker 2: Let's get some expert analysis. I'm joined now by dec
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Speaker 2: University Global Islamic Politics Chair Professor Grigg Barton. Greg is
27:05
Speaker 2: this essentially a declaration of all out war?
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Speaker 14: No, okay, I'm not yet. It's thankfully well short of that.
27:13
Speaker 14: Strangers that may seem. It still seems to be the
27:16
Speaker 14: case that neither Israel nor Iran want in all out war.
27:20
Speaker 1: Israel would have.
27:21
Speaker 14: The better of Iran. Iran and for its bluff and blusters,
27:24
Speaker 14: looking more like a paper tiger. But the trip now
27:27
Speaker 14: is to manage what happens next. There has to be
27:30
Speaker 14: some sort of retaliation as a promise, and has said
27:33
Speaker 14: without escalation, I mean, the struggle against his Bulla is
27:38
Speaker 14: going to tax all of Israel's resources. That doesn't need
27:41
Speaker 14: to be dealing with Iran at the same time. And
27:43
Speaker 14: Iran can't afford to get drawn into something bigger. So
27:46
Speaker 14: let's hope they find an off ramp for this.
27:47
Speaker 2: Will you say Iran can't afford to get drawn into
27:50
Speaker 2: too something bigger? What would it look like for Iran
27:52
Speaker 2: if this did escalate?
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Speaker 14: Well, the worst case scenario is a regional war with
27:58
Speaker 14: direct strikes in Iran, which would be which can certainly
28:02
Speaker 14: devastate the regime, but it would come with a tremendous
28:04
Speaker 14: civilian casualties. You know, most Iranians loathe this regime. They're
28:08
Speaker 14: stuck with it. They have no choice. They know that
28:11
Speaker 14: it destroys their country. You know, they live with the
28:14
Speaker 14: difficulties or economy every day because of this regime. Let's
28:19
Speaker 14: hope that become victims of it. If this regime takes
28:22
Speaker 14: them mental lar Irani vulnerable. It doesn't have the defense
28:26
Speaker 14: systems to affect itself against aerial assaults if it comes
28:29
Speaker 14: to that, So it knows that hopefully that's enough to
28:33
Speaker 14: defer it from going further.
28:34
Speaker 2: Now, of course, all of this has been triggered by
28:37
Speaker 2: Israel's incursion into living On because they want.
28:39
Speaker 3: To push back his bla. Hezbilla, like the.
28:42
Speaker 2: Hooties, is funded by Iran. Iran has seen. It's a
28:46
Speaker 2: warning shot, if you want to call it that, for
28:49
Speaker 2: Israel trying to push.
28:50
Speaker 3: Hez Balah back. But where to from here?
28:55
Speaker 2: For Israel, they're not going to give up on this,
28:57
Speaker 2: and nor should they. If this continues, not only Lebanon
29:02
Speaker 2: but Iran.
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Speaker 3: How far could they go?
29:06
Speaker 14: That's a really good question, you know, one of the
29:09
Speaker 14: reasons that Iran is feeling or the euragim I should say,
29:12
Speaker 14: it is feeling that it's lost face. It has to
29:15
Speaker 14: do something. Hence the missile strikes today. Is the assassination
29:18
Speaker 14: of Ismail Hania important to them, not so much because
29:23
Speaker 14: they care about Ismail Hania, this former Hamas leader, but
29:27
Speaker 14: because it happened in a Islamic revolutionary guards called vip
29:31
Speaker 14: guest house, where it appears a explosive device was planted
29:35
Speaker 14: a well ahead of time, which means that their intelligence
29:38
Speaker 14: structure is being penetrated by the Israelis. And of course
29:40
Speaker 14: that's now been brought home that the Israelis penetrated the
29:43
Speaker 14: intelligent structure of his buller, probably because of his boy's
29:46
Speaker 14: involvement in supporting the Basha all aside in Syria. It
29:49
Speaker 14: gave them a chance to really get deep inside their
29:51
Speaker 14: social networks obviously their supply chaines as miss all of
29:54
Speaker 14: the pages and the walkie talkies, but also to locate
29:57
Speaker 14: the precise location of the bunker huss and Ustraller and
30:02
Speaker 14: senior lieutenants were in and take it out. So that
30:05
Speaker 14: must be very chilling for the Regiamentehran. So on, the
30:08
Speaker 14: one hand, they want to respond and show themselves to
30:10
Speaker 14: be strong. On the other hand, they fear going too
30:14
Speaker 14: far and you know, perhaps finding that there's more pre
30:17
Speaker 14: planted explosive devices or targeted assassinations on senior leaders.
30:22
Speaker 2: Greg, thank you so much for your time still to come.
30:24
Speaker 2: Victoria's housing crisis ranked the worst in the country.
30:27
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why shortly.
30:29
Speaker 2: Plus, the last debate of the US election had everyone talking,
30:33
Speaker 2: so who won it?
30:34
Speaker 3: And will move the needle?
30:35
Speaker 2: As Americans prepared to head to the polls, Washington correspondent
30:38
Speaker 2: Adam Crichton will join me to break that down next.
30:41
Speaker 3: Don't go away.
30:45
Speaker 1: Now.
30:45
Speaker 2: I'm sure like me, you had your popcorn out this morning.
30:48
Speaker 2: May be a sneaky beer as well. You know, it's
30:51
Speaker 2: twelve o'clock somewhere because the vice presidential nominees faced off
30:55
Speaker 2: for their one and only debate, which will probably be
30:57
Speaker 2: the last debate of this entire elect So Tim Waltzon JD.
31:01
Speaker 2: Vance spent ninety minutes clashing over the Middle East, abortion,
31:05
Speaker 2: in the economy, but the most entertaining questions when both
31:08
Speaker 2: candidates were asked about comments they'd made in the past.
31:11
Speaker 8: Have a look, Senator Vance in twenty sixteen, you called
31:16
Speaker 8: your running mate Donald Trump unfit for the nation's highest office,
31:20
Speaker 8: and you said he could be America's hitler.
31:22
Speaker 15: Sometimes, of course I've disagreed with the President, but I've
31:25
Speaker 15: also been extremely open about the fact that I was
31:27
Speaker 15: wrong about Donald Trump.
31:28
Speaker 8: Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
31:32
Speaker 8: the deadly Teneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen
31:35
Speaker 8: eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
31:39
Speaker 8: are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
31:42
Speaker 8: August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy.
31:47
Speaker 10: I've tried to do the best I can, but I've
31:49
Speaker 10: not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times.
31:53
Speaker 3: Indeed a knuckleheit.
31:55
Speaker 2: I'm sure lots of people might agree with that. And
31:57
Speaker 2: then when it came to fact checking, he had the JD.
32:00
Speaker 2: Evans by the way, he wasn't having it. He pushed
32:04
Speaker 2: back by explaining why the moderators were wrong.
32:06
Speaker 8: Take a look for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have
32:11
Speaker 8: a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status
32:16
Speaker 8: temporary protected Laura, thank you, Senator. We have so much
32:20
Speaker 8: to get to.
32:21
Speaker 1: I think it's important to turn out of the Economy.
32:23
Speaker 1: Thanks Margaret.
32:24
Speaker 15: The rules were that you got to we're going to
32:26
Speaker 15: fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think
32:28
Speaker 15: it's important to say what's actually going.
32:30
Speaker 3: On, Mike Drop.
32:32
Speaker 2: I mean JD events wiped the floor with Tim Waltz.
32:35
Speaker 2: He was composed, he was calm. He easily dismantled the
32:39
Speaker 2: attacks leveled by Waltz and at times the moderators. He
32:43
Speaker 2: just looked like he knew what he was doing much
32:46
Speaker 2: more than Waltz did, which is probably not a surprise
32:48
Speaker 2: because Vance does a lot of interviews all the time,
32:51
Speaker 2: including with lefty media outlets, so he knows how to
32:55
Speaker 2: deal with their attacks. Well, I'm joined now by The
32:57
Speaker 2: Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton. Adam, what do you make
33:02
Speaker 2: of my assessment? I think JD did a really good
33:06
Speaker 2: job today.
33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:09
Speaker 16: Look, I think at one hundred percent I agree with
33:12
Speaker 16: you spot on there. I mean, it was a very
33:14
Speaker 16: good debate for JD.
33:15
Speaker 1: Evans.
33:16
Speaker 16: I mean I think he probably exceeded expectations. I mean
33:20
Speaker 16: lots of people are saying that you know that Tim
33:22
Speaker 16: Waltz was at an unfair advantage, but I mean, remember
33:24
Speaker 16: he is twenty years older than JD.
33:26
Speaker 1: Evans.
33:26
Speaker 16: He's had a lot more experience as a politician, so
33:29
Speaker 16: he should have done better. But I mean he had
33:31
Speaker 16: a lot of clangers. I mean you highlighted one. I
33:33
Speaker 16: think another one that needs to be mentioned, and I
33:36
Speaker 16: really felt sorry for Waltz is when he accidentally said
33:39
Speaker 16: that he'd become friends with.
33:40
Speaker 3: School shooting Well, you mentioned that, Adam Marrion, you mentioned that.
33:44
Speaker 2: Let's I've got the clip here, let's play the clip
33:47
Speaker 2: here is Tim Waltz.
33:50
Speaker 7: You previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but it only
33:53
Speaker 7: later in.
33:53
Speaker 8: Your political career did you change your position?
33:55
Speaker 1: Why? Yeah, he's set in that office with the Sandigog parents.
33:58
Speaker 1: I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it.
34:01
Speaker 3: Oh no, so painful.
34:04
Speaker 16: It was terrible, terrible, terrible, And of course that's gone viral.
34:09
Speaker 16: I mean, of all the statements in the debate, that's
34:10
Speaker 16: the one I think that people are going to remember,
34:12
Speaker 16: especially if they've been using social media. I mean, Donald
34:15
Speaker 16: Trump even took advantage of it. Certainly, I think the
34:18
Speaker 16: ninety minute debate has given Republicans a lot of confidence
34:20
Speaker 16: in this fifth week out from polling day. Certainly that's
34:23
Speaker 16: the case, whether it actually moves the needle, it's probably
34:26
Speaker 16: not going to. I did note that in those few
34:29
Speaker 16: snap polls that CNN RN that CBS ran, they asked
34:32
Speaker 16: people if the debate had changed their mind, and only
34:35
Speaker 16: one percent of people said that it had, so I
34:37
Speaker 16: think by this stage a lot of people have made
34:39
Speaker 16: up their mind. But nevertheless, it was a great night
34:41
Speaker 16: for theirs. It was a good night for Republicans, and
34:44
Speaker 16: I probably think Democrats were thinking. Some of them would
34:46
Speaker 16: have been thinking, I wish we had have chosen Josh Shapiro,
34:50
Speaker 16: the governor of Pennsylvania.
34:51
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, I'm sure.
34:53
Speaker 2: They were going to say that as ordinary as Tim
34:56
Speaker 2: Woltz was, I was watching that debate in part thinking,
35:01
Speaker 2: imagine if these two were the presidential nominees, because the
35:05
Speaker 2: debate they had today was not a slanging match. It
35:10
Speaker 2: wasn't a personality contest. They actually debated the policy. You
35:15
Speaker 2: didn't have the personal attacks you had between Trump and
35:18
Speaker 2: Barden and then Trump and Harris. They actually had a
35:21
Speaker 2: lot of common ground and conceded points to each other.
35:25
Speaker 2: It was conciliatory politics. And I was watching, going, my god,
35:29
Speaker 2: this is what has been missing from us politics for
35:31
Speaker 2: a long time.
35:35
Speaker 16: Yeah, look, certainly, that's right. I thought exactly the same thing.
35:37
Speaker 16: It was really HARKing back to a different era. And
35:40
Speaker 16: I suppose it's a basis to be confident for the
35:42
Speaker 16: future of US politics once the Trump era passes. I mean,
35:45
Speaker 16: I also had the thought that really Advances are better
35:48
Speaker 16: candidate than Trump, or has I thought, But you know,
35:52
Speaker 16: I mean, he's certainly, I think at least a future
35:55
Speaker 16: president in the making.
35:56
Speaker 3: And you know, he had a very good night yea.
35:59
Speaker 2: Indeed, look, and if Trump doesn't get up in November,
36:01
Speaker 2: you'd have to think that in twenty twenty eight, they'd
36:04
Speaker 2: be looking very seriously at Advance after that performance. He
36:07
Speaker 2: is just polished and professional and young and everything that
36:11
Speaker 2: I think the Republicans need to be looking towards.
36:14
Speaker 3: Adam, thank you for your time.
36:15
Speaker 2: After the break, China's blunt message on Taiwan in Adelaide,
36:19
Speaker 2: that story coming up, plus the renewables row is heating
36:22
Speaker 2: up as Labour and the Coalition prepare for the looming election.
36:25
Speaker 2: Tonight's political panel joins me next. So much more to
36:32
Speaker 2: get through tonight, So let's get straight into the political
36:34
Speaker 2: news of the day. We're meant to have a panel,
36:36
Speaker 2: but to Liberal MP Andrew Wallace has sort of disappeared
36:38
Speaker 2: into the ether somewhere, so we'll try to get him back.
36:40
Speaker 2: But in the meantime we're joined by Labour MP Daniel Molino.
36:44
Speaker 2: Daniel the Herald Son is reporting today that detectives are
36:48
Speaker 2: on the hunt for eight activists who were allegedly involved
36:51
Speaker 2: in that violent Landforces Expo protest or Day Days of
36:56
Speaker 2: protests that we saw in Melbourne last month.
36:58
Speaker 3: This is the bastion task.
37:00
Speaker 2: They put out the photos of these people in the
37:02
Speaker 2: hopes that someone might recognize and let's hope they are
37:06
Speaker 2: found and if so, that the police press charges because
37:09
Speaker 2: what we saw on those days, things being thrown at
37:13
Speaker 2: police horses, etc.
37:14
Speaker 1: Was horrific.
37:18
Speaker 15: Oh hi, Caleb, and thanks for having me on look.
37:20
Speaker 15: I totally agree that there's something contradictory and in a
37:25
Speaker 15: lot of ways ridiculous about undertaking very violent acts in
37:29
Speaker 15: trying to argue for peace, and what we saw at
37:32
Speaker 15: those demonstrations and some other demonstrations has been really over
37:37
Speaker 15: the top. And as you identified, we had dangerous liquids
37:41
Speaker 15: thrown at horses, marbles thrown at horses, violent acts against
37:45
Speaker 15: the police and others. And I think it's imperative that
37:49
Speaker 15: we do find people that have not only undertaken actions
37:53
Speaker 15: that fly in the face of what they're arguing for,
37:55
Speaker 15: but that in cases are illegal. And I might just
37:58
Speaker 15: add that this is something that I've raised on this
38:02
Speaker 15: show before that my electorate office has, in fact, like
38:05
Speaker 15: a number of other electric officers, has been subject to
38:08
Speaker 15: violent actions, smearing by paint and broken glass. And similarly,
38:14
Speaker 15: it's very important that people who undertake those kinds of
38:18
Speaker 15: actions are held to account.
38:19
Speaker 2: Well, if they're not held to account, they just continue
38:22
Speaker 2: doing it. They get away with it. It's a bit like
38:24
Speaker 2: the crazy eco activists who keep blocking coal trains and
38:28
Speaker 2: things like this.
38:29
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they do it.
38:30
Speaker 2: They vandalize a building, they glue themselves to the road,
38:33
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. They go off to court, they
38:35
Speaker 2: get given a four hundred dollar fine, and then they
38:37
Speaker 2: go out and do it again the next day. I mean,
38:39
Speaker 2: an example needs to be made of these people to say,
38:43
Speaker 2: if you try this on, we ain't going to take it.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 15: I think one of the messages that comes through in
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Speaker 15: some of these protests, and one that I agree with,
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Speaker 15: is that there are rules in war. But ironically, there
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Speaker 15: have got to be rules in the way that we
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Speaker 15: undertake debates in our community. There have got to be
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Speaker 15: rules in public protests.
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Speaker 1: Also.
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Speaker 15: If we don't abide by basic rules such as not
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Speaker 15: being violent, such as not intimidating people, If we don't
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Speaker 15: abide by those kinds of rules, it threatens our very
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Speaker 15: civil society, it threatens democracy. So I think we have
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Speaker 15: to set up basic rules. I think all of us
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Speaker 15: agree with freedom of speech. It's absolutely foundational to our society,
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Speaker 15: to our ability to express ourselves, to the strength of
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Speaker 15: our democracy. But there have to be rules as to
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Speaker 15: how we engage in debates.
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Speaker 2: Now we do have Andrew Wallace back with us, but
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Speaker 2: we only have the audio At the moment. I want
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Speaker 2: to get into Jim Charmers, the Treasurer. He's pumping up
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Speaker 2: his economic record, going to say its frankly a wild
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Speaker 2: claim that the Coalition government would have run up fifty
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Speaker 2: five and a half billion dollars worth of deficits instead
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Speaker 2: of surpluses. He's told The Australian that if he had
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Speaker 2: banked around forty percent of revenue, you upgrade the average
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Speaker 2: under the Abbott Turnbull Morrison years his budget would be.
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Speaker 3: In the red.
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Speaker 2: But Andrew, I'm not sure it's entirely fair, given you
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Speaker 2: have to take into account COVID.
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Speaker 3: You're a spending is it?
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Speaker 17: Well, Caleb, I just don't think anybody can believe what
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Speaker 17: Jim Charmer says. I mean, this is the guy that
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Speaker 17: constantly talked about the coalition government allegedly ringing up a
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Speaker 17: trillion dollars worth of debt. But we know that that
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Speaker 17: was a bold faced lie because it was nothing like that.
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Speaker 17: It was closer to five hundred billion dollars And of
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Speaker 17: course that is a lot of money, but it's half
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Speaker 17: of what Jim Charmers went to the last election. In fact,
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Speaker 17: he's even been talking about it since then. But it
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Speaker 17: doesn't take into account the enormous spending that the then
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Speaker 17: coalition government had to do to bring the country out
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Speaker 17: of its worst economic crisis is the Great Depression during COVID,
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Speaker 17: and it was Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 3: That was encouraging us to be putting.
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Speaker 17: More money, borrowing more money to put into the economy.
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Speaker 17: So you know, it's a bit rich for Jim Charmers
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Speaker 17: to be coming out and saying this.
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Speaker 15: Now, Daniel, your response, oh, look what I'd say first
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Speaker 15: and foremost is I think it's really important in these
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Speaker 15: debates about surpluses and defasts just to remember we're not
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Speaker 15: trying to achieve surpluses for their own sake here, They're
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Speaker 15: not an end. Why we're achieving surpluses is to try
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Speaker 15: and put downward pressure on inflation, which is critical to
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Speaker 15: getting to the point where we can see interest rates fall.
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Speaker 15: And I just wanted to say that Michelle Bullock, who
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Speaker 15: appeared in front of the committee that I chair, has
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Speaker 15: reinforced that the surpluses that we're delivering have been helping
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Speaker 15: with that. I think the point with the savings of
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Speaker 15: the uplift is simply to make the point that the
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Speaker 15: surpluses that we've delivered in the first two years were
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Speaker 15: on the back of identifying savings but also banking a
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Speaker 15: very high proportion of the fiscal uplift, and that was
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Speaker 15: responsible economic management. And I think that's the core point
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Speaker 15: that's being made indeed.
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Speaker 2: But Michelle Bellot did also say that some high government
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Speaker 2: spending was one of the contributors to inflation. So yes,
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Speaker 2: banking a surplus mean means that there is less spending,
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Speaker 2: but spending could go down Further, I think is part
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Speaker 2: of the point here as well.
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Speaker 3: In your state.
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Speaker 2: Though Victoria's so go on, Daniel, you're going to respond
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Speaker 2: there with no, that.
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Speaker 17: Was me cann So I was just going to say,
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Speaker 17: in relation to that point of Daniels, the Labor government
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Speaker 17: wants to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
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Speaker 1: Here.
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Speaker 17: It's doing everything it can to drive into the ground
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Speaker 17: the mining and resources sector. Without the mining and resources sector,
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Speaker 17: Australia's Australian's quality of life will suffer dramatically. So I
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Speaker 17: think that the benefits that have been bequeathed to Jim
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Speaker 17: Chalmers as treasure of this country have in no small
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Speaker 17: part been as a result of the great work of
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Speaker 17: the mind industry. And that's I just don't know how
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Speaker 17: he or the Labor government expect to be able to
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Speaker 17: continue to provide the sort of services that are striving
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Speaker 17: and demand when they do want to kill the goose
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Speaker 17: that laid the golden neck.
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Speaker 2: Now, two things to get through very quickly here, Daniel.
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Speaker 2: In your state, Victoria, you've been ranked the worst out
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Speaker 2: of all the states when it comes to tackling the
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Speaker 2: housing crisis, and the Allen government's refusal to wind back
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Speaker 2: property taxes has seen industry confidence.
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Speaker 3: Plummet in the sector.
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Speaker 2: It's put to me by people in Victoria who own
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Speaker 2: property that they feel like they are an enemy of
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Speaker 2: the state. Very quickly, Daniel, what's your response to that, So.
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Speaker 15: Just don that I saw some of the commentary around
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Speaker 15: that today and look, I did see some commentary from
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Speaker 15: the Property Council, for example, in an article that got
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Speaker 15: a bit of coverage. I mean, I would also say
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Speaker 15: that I agree with commentators, including the Property Council, who
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Speaker 15: say that this is really ply side issue. I'd note
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Speaker 15: that the Property Council have also come out and said
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Speaker 15: that it is really important that we get measures in
44:08
Speaker 15: place like Bill to Rent. The Property Council backed in
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Speaker 15: the half as a really important supply side measure, so
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Speaker 15: they've actually been backing the work of the federal government.
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Speaker 15: And it's very frustrating that we have two bills in
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Speaker 15: the Senate stuck with the opposition and the Greens playing
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Speaker 15: political games and stopping measures which I think go right
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Speaker 15: to the heart of this issue.
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Speaker 2: And quickly before we go Andrew, there's a Chinese diplomat
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Speaker 2: has warned that the Taiwan question is at the core
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Speaker 2: of Beijing's interest.
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Speaker 3: He said the.
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Speaker 2: Family reunion is not complete without all family members, including Taiwan.
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Speaker 2: This is South Australia's Consul General Lee Dong. He made
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Speaker 2: these comments at a Chinese national dinner that were hosted
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Speaker 2: by Premier Peter Malinowskis thirty seconds Andrew.
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Speaker 3: He stood up at a dinner.
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Speaker 2: That the States put on for him and told the
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Speaker 2: state howse things should go.
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Speaker 17: Well and if he he had his way, that the
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Speaker 17: Labor Premier in South Australia and the Prime ministry of
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Speaker 17: this country would be dancing to the tune.
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Speaker 18: But look, I was in.
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Speaker 17: Taiwan in April. They are a very important democracy, one
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Speaker 17: of our largest trading partners, despite their relatively small size.
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Speaker 17: It is imperative that we continue to support Taiwan as
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Speaker 17: a free and open democracy. And I think we need
45:26
Speaker 17: to be pushing back both against the hyperbole of the
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Speaker 17: Chinese government in relation to its desire to want to
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Speaker 17: reunify Taiwan by force if necessary.
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Speaker 2: Daniel Molino Andrew Wallace, thank you for persisting and thank
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Speaker 2: you for your time. Well, whose energy is cheaper? That's
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Speaker 2: the latest argument between Labor and the coalition, So they
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Speaker 2: try to sway vote as ahead of an imminent election.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into all of that next.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: We saw a US government report earlier in the week
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Speaker 2: which said that energy generation and transmission costs thirty seven
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Speaker 2: percent less when renewables and nuclear are combined. Will Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen hit back rather predictably, Sorry, today, you said that
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Speaker 2: if the Opposition ever gets around to doing their day
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Speaker 2: job and releasing honest costings, that it will be clear
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Speaker 2: that renewables are cheaper than nuclear every time, the cheapest
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Speaker 2: form of energy anywhere. Apparently, Well, let's bring in The
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Speaker 2: Australian's Environment editor, Graham Lloyd. Chris Bowen's just dismissed the
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Speaker 2: report out of hand. I think it's a bit premature.
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Speaker 18: Yes, good evening, Caleb. Well, certainly. I guess the question
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Speaker 18: is has Chris Bowen read the report, and he probably should.
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Speaker 18: It's something from the US government, it's an official report
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Speaker 18: and it certainly shows that on their analysis that agrid
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Speaker 18: that has a large base load power supply such as ours,
46:55
Speaker 18: will be cheaper if a portion of that is replaced
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Speaker 18: with nuclear energy to back up renewables. It's something that
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Speaker 18: the Opposition has been talking about. The report lays out
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Speaker 18: a lot of the arguments they've made about using existing infrastructure,
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Speaker 18: having a higher paid, better jobs in a nuclear industry
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Speaker 18: and other things. But the import of it is it
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Speaker 18: really demonstrates how serious the Biden administration is in really
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Speaker 18: working up the nuclear industry, both in terms of large
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Speaker 18: scale nukes, the small modul reactors and microreactors which are
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Speaker 18: all in development. They are all some way down the track.
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Speaker 18: What they're saying is that they will get progressively cheaper
47:43
Speaker 18: as more of them are developed and put into production.
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Speaker 18: So the government is looking at ways that it can
47:49
Speaker 18: encourage the role out of these things to bring the
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Speaker 18: unit costs down. And once they're fully established, there's a
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Speaker 18: hierarchy of comparison there, and with carbon capture and storage
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Speaker 18: will be the cheapest, nuclear will be the next, and
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Speaker 18: then fully firmed renewables will be more expensive than them,
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Speaker 18: both slightly. So Australia in a long term planning would
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Speaker 18: be wise to look at this very closely. It's something
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Speaker 18: that's happening in the UK, it's happening in the US,
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Speaker 18: it's happening in Europe, and things are moving and the
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Speaker 18: projections are that costs will come down, but it will
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Speaker 18: take time.
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Speaker 2: We've only got fifty seconds gram but I think it
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Speaker 2: proves once again that nuclear at the very least should
48:36
Speaker 2: be on the table. But the federal government refuses to
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Speaker 2: do that, I think out of pride, because they don't
48:41
Speaker 2: want to be proven wrong.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 18: Well, certainly they're out of sync with what a lot
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Speaker 18: of other large countries are doing, and we should at
48:53
Speaker 18: least have the option.
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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, and the fact that they don't even look
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Speaker 2: at it is a disgrace, I think, just very quickly though,
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Speaker 2: why doesn't the coalition just come out with the numbers.
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Speaker 2: They must have the numbers by now. Why can't they
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Speaker 2: just give us the numbers and put all of this
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Speaker 2: stuff to bed and effectively shut the government up.
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Speaker 18: Well, I think the numbers they're always going to be
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Speaker 18: open to dispute or contests about whether they're the right
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Speaker 18: numbers or whether they're not. I think the coalition has
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Speaker 18: to have a much more detailed plan of how it
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Speaker 18: will fund and implement these things so that there's some
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Speaker 18: security about what they're saying is correct.
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Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd, thank you for your time, and that's it
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Speaker 2: for me for this hour. I'll be back in one
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Speaker 2: hour at ten PM for the late debate. Don't miss it.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back at eight o'clock tomorrow for Sharry again.
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Speaker 2: But up now the Great Paul Murray