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Ep. 365: What Would Mark Drury Do? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number three sixty five,
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  Speaker 1: and today I'm joined by Mark Drury to run through
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  Speaker 1: a series of hypothetical deer hunting scenarios, ranging from small
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  Speaker 1: property habitat improvements, to dealing with hunting competition from neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: all the way to patterning specific bucks during the run.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by Onyx to In the show, we have
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  Speaker 1: got another what would you do? Podcast? This is the
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  Speaker 1: last of a series of four that I'm gonna start with. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to the prior three, here's the
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  Speaker 1: basic gist. I will be presenting our guests today with
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of different scenarios, specific scenarios that I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to ask him to, you know, explain what he would do,
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  Speaker 1: why he would do it, how he would do it.
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  Speaker 1: And the hope and the thought and the goal here
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  Speaker 1: is that this allows us to learn something new from
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  Speaker 1: somebody that we've heard from the past, but now we
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  Speaker 1: get to get a deeper look into how their brain works,
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  Speaker 1: how they're hunting strategy works with very specific situations. So
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  Speaker 1: that's the game plan. We've got Mark Jury on the show.
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  Speaker 1: If you've listened to the podcast over the years, you
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  Speaker 1: know he's one of the very best out there. He's
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  Speaker 1: one of the very best deer hunters out there. He's
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  Speaker 1: one of the very best guests we've ever had in
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  Speaker 1: the show. He's very analytical. He has a very deep
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  Speaker 1: and thorough thought process behind everything he does, which I
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  Speaker 1: just love. I geek out on this kind of stuff
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  Speaker 1: with him, So to have him for this type of
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  Speaker 1: episode makes me particularly excited. UM, if you haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: his past episodes, definitely into episode number sixty three and
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  Speaker 1: episode number two nine. Both of those go really deep
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  Speaker 1: into understanding how different weather and moon and different factors
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  Speaker 1: at that time of year, factors influenced deer movement. They
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  Speaker 1: are some of the very best episodes we've ever done,
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  Speaker 1: some of the most influential on hunters across the country.
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  Speaker 1: Episode six to twenty nine. Don't forget those, Um, once
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  Speaker 1: you've listened to those, then come back and listen to
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  Speaker 1: this one, because I think that will help you better
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  Speaker 1: understand the context of what Mark says here. Today, we
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  Speaker 1: cover a whole bunch of different types of topics. Like
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned at the top, we do spend a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of time in the beginning on some habitat improvement stuff,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit on, you know, trying to find a
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  Speaker 1: new farm, a little bit on what Mark would do
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  Speaker 1: if he lost his farms. Uh, then we dive into
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of hunting scenarios, kind of starting early season.
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  Speaker 1: Moving on through we cover everything from scouting to trail cameras,
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  Speaker 1: to dealing with hunting competition, to trying to pattern a
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  Speaker 1: specific buck, to dealing with lousy warm weather, and then
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of rut related topics too. But before we
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  Speaker 1: get into this, you know, I just want to to
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  Speaker 1: give you a couple of suggestions on this one, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things to think about, because, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it's our fourth of this series. Um, we've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of great feedback on it. Seems like people are
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  Speaker 1: really enjoying this what would you do type format. It's
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  Speaker 1: been helpful, so I want to do more in the future.
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  Speaker 1: But for now, we're gonna We're gonna do a four
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  Speaker 1: episode run of these and this completes it. So today
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  Speaker 1: we've got Mark Drury and he is one of two
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  Speaker 1: guys we've had on for this bit that are a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more private land focused, a little bit more management,
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  Speaker 1: hands on focus. This is Mark Jury and Steve Bartilla,
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  Speaker 1: and they had that kind of perspective. And then we
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  Speaker 1: also heard earlier from John Eberhart and Dan Infalt, who
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit more of the public land or
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  Speaker 1: heavily pressured private land perspective. And I did this on purpose.
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  Speaker 1: I want to people from these two different situations so
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  Speaker 1: that we can have a very full look at things
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  Speaker 1: from all parts of the deer hunting world. And as
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  Speaker 1: we're going through this last one, I want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure you're thinking about that. And I answered this often
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  Speaker 1: right when we listen to all these different people, whether
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  Speaker 1: they hunt just like you do or in a totally
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  Speaker 1: different place or in a totally different way, don't discount
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  Speaker 1: the things they're saying, because we can often take little
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  Speaker 1: bits and pieces and find ways to apply them to
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  Speaker 1: our specific scenario. So when you hear these questions that
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking, Mark, one thing I would recommend you do.
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  Speaker 1: You could even pause the podcast and do this or
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  Speaker 1: at least do it quickly in your own mind. When
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  Speaker 1: I ask one of these questions, I would recommend you
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  Speaker 1: ask that question to yourself to think about what you
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  Speaker 1: would do or the things you would be thinking about.
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  Speaker 1: I think just simply the practice of doing that, the
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  Speaker 1: practice of considering a certain scenario and what you would do,
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  Speaker 1: that's helpful on its own, even if you don't have
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  Speaker 1: the whole answer. At least it forces you to consider
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  Speaker 1: some of these things that who knows, maybe come October,
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  Speaker 1: come November, you actually will be faced with a scenario
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  Speaker 1: like this and having at least given it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of thought now here in August or September or
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  Speaker 1: whenever you're listening to this, that might help you. And
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  Speaker 1: then number two, you're gonna hear Mark Jury's answer that
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  Speaker 1: might help you as well. But I think just as important,
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  Speaker 1: if not maybe more important, than the specific answer you
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  Speaker 1: get from Mark or from one of the past three
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  Speaker 1: guests that did this, the thought process and reasoning behind
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  Speaker 1: those answers, that is just just as important. Really, really
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  Speaker 1: try to pay attention to that. So not just exactly
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  Speaker 1: what Mark would do, but listen to how he explains
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  Speaker 1: his rationale for that. Listen to the different factors that
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  Speaker 1: are motivating him to do something. When you listen to Mark,
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  Speaker 1: you might hear that he's mostly motivated. Let's say, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just hypothetically saying stuff here, but maybe it's he's mostly
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  Speaker 1: motivated by what the deer telling him to do based
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  Speaker 1: on scouting and cameras, while maybe a Dan Infalt or
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  Speaker 1: John Eberhart might have been mostly motivated by what other
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  Speaker 1: hunters are doing and what the pressure is telling them
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  Speaker 1: to do. Um, those are just random examples. But listen
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  Speaker 1: in and try to pick apart the behind the scenes why,
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  Speaker 1: because that's the kind of thing that even if you
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  Speaker 1: don't encounter the exact same scenario that we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: here with Mark, if you can understand his why, if
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  Speaker 1: you can understand how he gets to these answers, you
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  Speaker 1: can definitely apply that to your own thinking and to
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  Speaker 1: your own situation, regardless of how different it might be
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  Speaker 1: from these. So so try to try to do that
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  Speaker 1: a little bit as we go through this, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: go back and listen to those last three if you
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  Speaker 1: get some more time and do that too. Ask yourself
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  Speaker 1: the same questions and then think about the why, think
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  Speaker 1: about the thought process behind how they answer. If you
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  Speaker 1: can do that, I think you're gonna get the very
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  Speaker 1: most possible out of these what would you do episodes?
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  Speaker 1: So that is That's the last thing I want to
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  Speaker 1: leave you with here. Uh. If you're not familiar with
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  Speaker 1: Mark Drewy, he is the host of a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different shows. He's one of the co founders of Drewy Outdoors.
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  Speaker 1: They have the Drewy Outdoors deer Cast app now, which
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  Speaker 1: is a great tool. You can see their stuff on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube on the Outdoor channel all over the place. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's some of the you know, the leaders in the
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  Speaker 1: outdoor media industry. It's hard to avoid what they got
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  Speaker 1: going on out there because it's everywhere. So hopefully Mark
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  Speaker 1: someone you know and you're interested to hear from. If
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  Speaker 1: that's the case, we should probably just get into it.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll just stay here in the front end. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for listening. I hope you guys really enjoy this one.
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  Speaker 1: And let's get to my chat with Mark Drewy. Al Right,
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  Speaker 1: we are back for another episode with Mr Mark Drewy. Mark,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming back on the show man.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Mark, Thanks for having me. I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on. It's It's become an annual
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  Speaker 1: treat that I look forward to every year, knowing or
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  Speaker 1: hoping that we can have this chat. Um So, pressures
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  Speaker 1: pressures on because people have high expectations whenever they see
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  Speaker 1: your name on the show. Well, surely we can disappoint them.
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  Speaker 1: This we'll see. Um But, like I was telling you
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  Speaker 1: just before we started recording for this episode, different than
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  Speaker 1: some of our past ones where we've drilled into specific topics,
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  Speaker 1: I more so want to throw a bunch of different
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  Speaker 1: hypothetical scenarios at you and then kind of have you
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  Speaker 1: explained what you think you would do, or what your
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  Speaker 1: thought process would be, or what other information you would
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  Speaker 1: need to know to make the right decision, and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of see if we can learn through your thought process.
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  Speaker 1: Um So, I don't know. I found this to become
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  Speaker 1: a fun thing. I've been trying this with some folks
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  Speaker 1: and it seems to be interesting and in a little
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  Speaker 1: different So if your game to take on the Wired
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  Speaker 1: to Hunt, what would you do? Gauntlet? I say we
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  Speaker 1: just jump into it. I'm happy to do it. You
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  Speaker 1: know how analytical I am a lot. It will spend
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  Speaker 1: the entire time on the first scenario if if we
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  Speaker 1: do that answer as many as I can, but I
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  Speaker 1: get deep the weeds pretty easily when you do things
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  Speaker 1: so far away, because I'm anxious to see what you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna ask. All Right, Well, I've got stuff that ranges
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  Speaker 1: from kind of land management stuff to pure hunting stuff too,
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  Speaker 1: various specific scenarios on your farm all the way to
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  Speaker 1: what if I took away your farm everything from early
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  Speaker 1: season to late season, everything between. So we'll kind of
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  Speaker 1: see what we can get through. But here's the first one,
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  Speaker 1: and I kind of dropped a hint. Let's say God forbid,
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  Speaker 1: something happened and and you you lost your job, you
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  Speaker 1: lost your hunting properties, you lost your leases, funds are tight. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you can't get your hands on a new farmer place,
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  Speaker 1: but you still want to kill a nice pers mature
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  Speaker 1: buck this year. What would be like your your gut
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  Speaker 1: reaction and your thought process to how to start a
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  Speaker 1: new Would it be public land, would it be going
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  Speaker 1: back to door knocking? Um? If you were in that
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  Speaker 1: situation today, it's it's August a tenth or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: What would be your next steps if if everything you
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  Speaker 1: had is gone now and you've got to start from
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  Speaker 1: square one. I think it would be fun. And I've
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  Speaker 1: actually thought about doing this for turkeys, but not for deer.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it'd be fun given my current situation.
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  Speaker 1: Right everything else is gone, but I still put feelers
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  Speaker 1: out there on social media and go, hey, I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: for a place to hunt. Where can we go? You know?
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  Speaker 1: That would be one thing I would do. Now if
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  Speaker 1: Mark Drewy, the personality and the shows and all that
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  Speaker 1: didn't exist, and I was just starting over a new
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  Speaker 1: and I have no contacts anywhere, then my butts going
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  Speaker 1: to public for sure. Um, And that would probably be uh.
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  Speaker 1: That would also mirror efforts to where I'm also knocking
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  Speaker 1: on doors because I'm a networker and I'm a people guy.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd probably spent some time in some bars and
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  Speaker 1: get to know some people and say, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: start talking deer and talking to Lingo and seeing where
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  Speaker 1: I might be able to get some permission. If I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get that permission, man, I know some public areas
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  Speaker 1: that are just dynamite, I mean just dynamite there in Iowa. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So I'd start scouting and probably enjoy the challenge of
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  Speaker 1: trying to get on a mature buck on on a
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  Speaker 1: fairly decent sized public area there in southern Iowa, perhaps
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  Speaker 1: northern Missouri. Now, early on in your hunting kind of journey,
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  Speaker 1: you had to do some of that stuff, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know that you didn't just hop out of the
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  Speaker 1: womb and have all this great hunting land. Did you
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  Speaker 1: have any little tricks or any specific things he used
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  Speaker 1: to do that helps you get that permission? I know
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned networking at bars and stuff, but were there
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  Speaker 1: any specific ways or examples of things that helped you
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  Speaker 1: get over that. It's a tough hump for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people to to get that permission to talk to
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  Speaker 1: new people. Anything from the old days you could bring
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  Speaker 1: back up. Yeah, we we would always go and talk
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  Speaker 1: to people not with intent of asking, but rather the
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  Speaker 1: intent of getting to know them, who they are, what
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  Speaker 1: they do, how they feel about it prior to asking,
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  Speaker 1: and once we got a feeling that they may be
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  Speaker 1: open to it, then we would would ask the question.
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  Speaker 1: So you can kind of get that feeling just by
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  Speaker 1: getting to know somebody, and that's you're doing two things.
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  Speaker 1: You're accomplishing, you know, getting inside their head and learning
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  Speaker 1: more about them, and then they're also getting a comfort
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  Speaker 1: level with you. So I think you have to first
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  Speaker 1: create a comfort level prior to asking for permission. You know,
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  Speaker 1: That's the way we always did it. I'm going back
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  Speaker 1: into the nine through range. Uh. Those were the years
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  Speaker 1: that we were hunting, both public and and um either
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  Speaker 1: a lease or permission or with an outfit or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. A lot of it was permission, especially there
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  Speaker 1: in southern Iowa. Everything we were doing on our early
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  Speaker 1: videos was all permission, our our public. Okay, so let's
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  Speaker 1: let's improve your situation just a little bit. Then. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say you managed to hold onto a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: of a nest egg. I don't know exactly how much
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  Speaker 1: this is, but it's enough money to maybe buy a small,
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  Speaker 1: small starter farm. And you've got you know, your whole
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  Speaker 1: state of of ile ar Miers or your those couple
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  Speaker 1: of states there to pick from, and you've got just
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  Speaker 1: enough to get something small. Let's say somewhere in that range.
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  Speaker 1: Could you just describe for me your ideal hypothetical farm
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  Speaker 1: if you had this this just enough money gets something
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  Speaker 1: like that, and you're gonna start all anew and this
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be that thing that begins your whole process
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  Speaker 1: of trying to build from there and try to get
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  Speaker 1: on some decent deer hunting. Um, would you be looking
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  Speaker 1: to get like that spot that you're gonna keep on
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  Speaker 1: hunting forever, or would you be going into this immediately thinking, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy this twenty but I'm gonna flip it
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  Speaker 1: in two years. So you're thinking about that from the
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  Speaker 1: get go. What's your thought process? And then what's that
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  Speaker 1: first farm gonna look like? In as much detail as
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  Speaker 1: you can hypothetically think of? Sure, so I would look
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  Speaker 1: for any time I buy a farm or Lisa farm,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking into one that's a long term play. I
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  Speaker 1: never I never go into a uh situation and go,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna flip this in a year, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: if it's not something that I'm willing to hunt the
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  Speaker 1: rest of my life, then how would I ever have
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  Speaker 1: the ability to flip it to someone and say you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna want to hunt this for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 1: So that upfront, I'm always looking for that long term
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  Speaker 1: play and that that is to find me to me
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  Speaker 1: as especially if it's a small farm, it is it
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  Speaker 1: will be of the utmost importance that it is in
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  Speaker 1: an area that's surrounded by great white tail habitat if
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  Speaker 1: you will. So if I can't provide it on the property,
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  Speaker 1: then it has to already exist right to you. You
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  Speaker 1: won't have control over what your neighbors are doing. If
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  Speaker 1: they manage, all the better if they don't. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of southern Iowa has incredible whitetail habitat. So I'd be
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  Speaker 1: looking at programs like on X or any of the
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  Speaker 1: mapping programs, looking at all the neighbors. The larger the
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  Speaker 1: bordering property owners, the better if you can find that.
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  Speaker 1: And then on that piece, I would want to have
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  Speaker 1: great access UM. I'd want to have some seclusion from
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  Speaker 1: road front inge so that you don't get bothered by
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  Speaker 1: um passing vehicles and whatnot. I'd wanted off the road UM.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of realtors, and they often
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  Speaker 1: talk about how difficult it is to sell a piece
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  Speaker 1: of property that's at the end of the dead end
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  Speaker 1: road or is landlocked, or only has access through a
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  Speaker 1: mud road. But those are things I like because it
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  Speaker 1: minimizes other traffic in and around the area. So I'd
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  Speaker 1: want it secluded, and i'd want some form of water
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  Speaker 1: close or at least the ability to put water on it,
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  Speaker 1: and I would want decent cover where I'd have some
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  Speaker 1: morning hunting, but I would most depend on the cover
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  Speaker 1: that surrounds it. And then I'd load it with food. Man.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, food wins
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  Speaker 1: the day for me when it comes to white to hunting.
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  Speaker 1: Even if I have to sacrifice some morning hunting, I
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  Speaker 1: still want to have the ability to lure dear to
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  Speaker 1: my property every single day of this season. I do
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  Speaker 1: that through food sources and a variety of different food sources.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna load it with clovers, brass because and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully at least one destination field of beans or corn,
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  Speaker 1: and uh probably take advantage of bedding and cover on neighbors.
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  Speaker 1: So I would probably lean on the side of the
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  Speaker 1: ability to plant food provided that there was cover surrounding it.
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  Speaker 1: How much food do you think you need. Let's sound
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  Speaker 1: like a percentage basis of the property to to make
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  Speaker 1: a real significant impact. If we're in like farm country
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  Speaker 1: where you've got neighboring farms that got hundred acre bean
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  Speaker 1: fields and everything that, but you only have a forty
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  Speaker 1: acre property, you know as an acre two acre is
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  Speaker 1: gonna make enough difference in your mind, um, or do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like you really need to have something significant
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  Speaker 1: to really change things. It really depends on the makeup
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  Speaker 1: of the farm. If you've got, say a travel corridor
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  Speaker 1: that's leading from big cover out to um tillable big tillable,
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  Speaker 1: then you can have some staging plots that are phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: Uh If, however, you don't have that and you want
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  Speaker 1: to create cover, then you want more opportunity to plant
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  Speaker 1: perhaps corn or sregum or something like that. So it
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  Speaker 1: really would depend on the makeup of that farm. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense. Something you mentioned a second ago UM
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  Speaker 1: about the neighborhood kind of triggered something that I often
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: debate myself, which is, would you rather have a bunch
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of neighbors that are eight managers with similar goals as
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: either passed on young bucks, but they're also really good hunters,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: so they're they're serious competition to kill the big buck
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you're after two? Or do you want neighbors who are
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: not such great managers. They might shoot younger bucks, but
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they're lousy hunters, like you don't need to worry about
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: them getting the big one. Uh I. I have scenarios
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that are both of those and we we uh we
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: do quite well in both scenarios, so either would be great. Um.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Either the scenarios would work provided that the habitats there.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It goes back to my initial answer to the question, like,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you gotta have an overall deer population in the area
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that's sustainable and healthy and good. And whether the neighboring
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: uh um landowners hunt and aren't good at hunting to
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: your term, or whether they all manage. I don't think
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it matters as long as you're dirt is in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: right little neighborhood. I mean it. It's You're only as
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: good as your spot, and if you've got a little spot,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it needs to be a really, really good spot. Yeah
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: do you so it sounds like the answer is no.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But do you ever change your specific habitat improvements or
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: hunting strategy based off of the skill level or strategies
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that you know your neighbors are going to use? Does
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that ever influence what you do? Oh? For sure? Absolutely? Yeah,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: absolutely yeah. So UM. I can't think of an exact example,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: but because I don't want to give away let a
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: neighbor know something careful here, you got to be very careful.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But absolutely I change per form per neighbor, you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: and more specifically because and I keep talking about, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: different forms. And I've gotten the point where I have
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: my main farm there in Iowa, and then I have
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a few at lights around same in Missouri, um and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: there are certain farms that I know I need to
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: get in there and get serious about it earlier in
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the season because uh, neighbor X is probably gonna be
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: here during this part of the season, you know. Our
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: great example in Missouri, I have a have a farm
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that borders a neighbor that really only comes during rifles season,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and but they come gangbusters multiples, and my piece is
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: not very good once rifle season starts and it stays
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: poor all the way through the end of the season.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So in terms of daylight activity, so I make sure
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that I do my do my due diligence from a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: camera survey standpoint, and then you know, really hunted wisely
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: as often as I can prior to their arrival. I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: plant it accordingly, because I'm planting stuff that's gonna be
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: appealing during the early part of the season, and I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: not so much worried about the latter part of the seasons.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So in a form like that that's gonna go you
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: know dark anyway in mid November. For the most part,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna rely heavily on either clover clover or radishes. However,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I have other forms that really don't get good to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the late season, so therefore I'm not gonna plant clover
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and radishes there. I'm gonna plant you know, soybeans or
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: corn because I know that it's a timing issue. So
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: you can plant according to the time of the year
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that you're going to hunt, and you can learn when
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: it's best based on your neighbor's activity, and just you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: hunt around that. Interesting. No, okay, what about the really
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: good hunter scenario where you've got several neighbors that are
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: primo like they they're they really know what they're doing.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: They also are improving their properties in certain ways that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you know are smart. In that situation, would you and
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: let's say there's a target buck that you're all after.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: There's this there's this one buck that obviously every and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: is interested in. Would you hunt more aggressively because you
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: know that every day that passes there's a better chance
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that the other guys are going to get him, or
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: would you hunt more conservatively because you just don't want
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to bump him onto the neighbors where he's got a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: chance of getting killed. What's what's what would you do
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: or what's your thought process on balancing that. I'm conservative
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and in all situations, Um, I live by the trail
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: camera surveys and and the results that I'm getting, So
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm very calculated and when I will go
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in and hunt a particular buck, so regardless of the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: situation around me, I'm gonna be very very conservative on
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: my approach. And I'm disciplined to the point that even
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: if I had a small piece of property, and you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be hunting that property very often at all.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Most likely I'm gonna wait till there's a good buck
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: there and then go in and go after him, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: not go during the bad times, you know, like i'd
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: be watching deer cast and of avoiding the bad days.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I'd be watching my trail cameras, whether they're cellular or
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: ones that I pulled a card off of, and you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go when when the opportunity is greatest to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: kill a deer, as opposed to worrying about the neighbors.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I think when you get into that scenario and you
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: start worrying about everybody else, you're really hurting yourself. You
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: can only do what you can do, and one things
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: for sure in that scenario, the first thing I'm gonna
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: do when somebody else kills the deer is be the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: first guy to text them and congratulate him, you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: because you want the same feeling afforded to you if
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you're the one that kills the deer. So if you're
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of management, then everybody should be on
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the same page and just as happy for the neighbor
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to kill it as yourself, because in due time, everybody,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: everybody ends up winning in that scenario. Yeah, okay, one
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: more question. Within this kind of general scenario, we're on
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this small property. I'm gonna give you a little more
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: details now about the property because it's not gonna quite
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: what you wanted. Instead, you got stuck with. The property's
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: mostly kind of open farm fields, um and a few
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: fingers of cover that extend out out of a bigger
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: chunk of timber and cover that's on the neighbors. Most
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: of the betting you come to find is on your neighbors,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: What would you what are some of the things you
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: would try to do in this kind of scenario to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: get a mature buck to spend more daylight hours in
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: your place. When your cover minimal, um, it's it's open fields,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So you can't all of a sudden magically have a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: huge forest there a bunch of really thick cover and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: unless you plant certain things, and uh, it's it's mostly
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: maybe an attraction game trying to pull them off. The neighbors. Well,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: what's your thought process and what would you do in
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the short term versus a long term? Well, short term,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna plan as much food on it as I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: possibly can. Uh say, you come across this property and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: right now, you know, late summer, and then I'm gonna
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: plan it heavily Tabraska's as many good places as I can,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: with the preparation that I'm also preparing soil for the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: following spring, when I'm going to transfer every single acre
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of that farm to the tallest, nastiest switch grass and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: in big blue and Indian grass that I can find
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and sideoats gamma. So eventually the long play is to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: transfer every open acre into warm season grasses. But in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the short term, I would just load it with food
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and be very careful when I approached it. Um, you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's as long as you've got to cover
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to one side or or two sides, and you could
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: add food, you can still expect some success. Uh, because
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you're only going to stay in the cover for so long. Now,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: If there's enough pressure around that they're just not coming
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: there during daylight, then you know that the following year
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you've got to add that cover, regardless of costs. Really,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: otherwise you're you're gonna be spending your reels for years
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and years and years to come. There's certain farms that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: deer will walk under a daylight and others that they want,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and you have to get it to where they're comfortable
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: being there during daylight hours. Is there anything that you
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: would do in that kind of scenario when you mentioned
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you want to add a lot of food out there, right,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But when I hear a lot of food, one of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the first things that I start worrying about is, or
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: at least that I worry about my own personal life,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is how big of a food source I plant In
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: my worries of how mature buck probably doesn't want to
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: walk out into a great, big, white open field around here.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: He's going to be more likely to be comfortable in
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a small area versus big and wide open. So then
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I find myself kind of decreasing the size of my
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: food plots to try to keep them safe from like
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a mature bucks perspective. What are your thoughts on the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: sizes it? Would you do a bunch of little ones
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: because of that, or you're not worried about that and
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you would be okay putting the big ones in. I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I have no trouble putting big ones in provided that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: the land allows it. So often on small farms you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: just don't have the correct ridge top or the correct
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: bottom field in order to put a large plot on.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So more often than not, I find that, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: because I just hate erosion, So I have a tendency
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to only plant the egg grade soils up on tops
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of bridges are in the bottom. So that's that's what
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I was talking about, Like I put as much on
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it as the land would allow, and I'd also be
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: prepping those side hills to plant switch grasses and tall
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: grasses the following spring. Okay, I love the switchgrass thing.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: That's definitely something that I've I've always dreamed of doing
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: if I ever owned a farm myself. And and actually
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: this far we're working on for our back forty project.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I did that plant a bunch of our old fields
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: with switchgrass. This spring frosty to him, So I'm excited
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to see what kind of impact that has. Are they
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: are they coming on? And so often it's so hard
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to get switchgrass to establish in year one. Well, I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, because I actually haven't gone back to the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: farm since I left for my western trip two months ago,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: so i've switched. I did see in May just before
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I left that they were germinating. I was seeing stuff
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: up and out, but I don't know how it looks now,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: So I'll tell you in a day or two exactly
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: what it looks like. I could just about tell you
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: it's full of weeds. That much I can tell you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: because switch grass is slow growers, like they have to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: grow like a foot route before they start going up.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So they gotta go down before they can go up.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And uh, you got a moa, moha, moha moa until
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it almost makes you sick the first year or two.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: But you have to do that in order to end
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: up with a good stand at the end of the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: end of the two or three years period. It's a process. Huh,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: there's a process because those roots got a bury man.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: They have to in order to support that grass figures
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: crossed the long run. Yeah. The other thing you can
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: do is burn it even right now. You can burn
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: it in August and it's gonna look like horrible, but
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it will help them long term. Switch grass is a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: long term play. It's not it's not a media graducation thing.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It takes a while. Yeah. Well, that's a good reminder.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel slightly less bad when I go see
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: it now. Yeah, I don't feel bad. Just mow or
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to burn it and it they'll come on there. They're
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: still there, but you got a treat him, right, Yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. All right, Let's let's change what we're
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: talking about here a little bit shift away from more
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: of the habitat stuff to hunting stuff. Um, I'm thinking
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: this is something a lot of people are probably going
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to be working through, maybe over the coming weeks as
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: we're leading into hunting season. Let's say you've got your
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: summer trail cameras out there, you pull it and you
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: get this giant buck, biggest buck ever maybe on your
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: cameras and you look at this deer and you realize, Okay,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I've got several this is a buck that I have
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: several years of history with. I recognize him. He made
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: a huge jump. Uh, you're very, very excited. Can you
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: walk me through specifically how you would go about analyzing
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: past pictures and observations to develop that game plan? Um,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you would. We we've talked about this
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in the past in different little pieces and parts, but
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I'd like to hear the whole thought process. And then secondly,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I'd like to hear specifically how you would approach the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: dates of daylight activity from last year, Let's say, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: if you had a daylight movement on October fifteenth last year,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: what would you do in October fifteenth this year? Um?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So sorry, that's a long winded, several part question, but
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: but that's what I'm curious to hear about. Absolutely, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, I just did this yesterday on
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the flight from Salt Lake City to to St. Louis. Um,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. We have trail pictures this
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: summer of a really, really, really big dear like you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: approaching that B October caliber, which was a giant for me,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and this is the first year that I've seen that's
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: been in that frame. He doesn't have the multi times
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: like that. This one's a clean tent, but boys, he
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: wear it well. I mean, he's a mega giant. So
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons I'm so anal about trail
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: photos each and every year of every rack buck I get.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes as you talk to guys, and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it really mystifies me how many people don't keep files
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of their deer pictures from season to season. And I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: keep every rack buck on every camera, and I'm talking
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: across Texas, Iowa, Missouri, you know, over a hundred cameras,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: so it's it's probably two million plus photos a year
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: that we look at, and I keep them all in
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: files based on location because you get into situation now
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: where this deer has blown up. And I've gone back
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: three years and accumulated every single photo into a file
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: for this year with his name on it, and I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: moved him all forward into my two thousand and twenty
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: within within Buckview, which is the file system I use
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: from their conics and and answer to your question, I'm
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: gonna look through those files probably other times this season
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and try to pick out something from direction of travel
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: to you know, where might be betting, you know, because
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I had this deer on. Let me take here four
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: different camera locations across the farm across three years, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: some of them were repetitive from year to year and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: some weren't. So I'm going back now and making notes
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: as to what crop rotation was in the area surrounding
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: not only right where I'm getting in, but also in
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: this surrounding areas. I'm also trying to remember when there
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: were cattle next door and when there weren't, and I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: make notes to that each and every year because I
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: think that does affect dear movement. And I'm gonna just
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: break him down, you know, like figure out, Okay, if
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he was going here on the morning of October and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: he's heading here, where do you think he betted? Or
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: where do I think he betted? And then I'll start
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: in creating maps that will eventually be one map that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: shows every single movement I have of that buck, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: also an interpretation of what I think he was doing
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: and where he was betting, because if I can figure
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: out where he's betting, then I can interpret where I
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: think he might go feed that evening and actually catching
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: during daylight hours. Or I might be able to get
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: on the outskirts of the bedroom that he's using habitually
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and catch him of the morning coming back. So it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: it's really all about bead and food, and I'm trying
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to figure out where he's betting at certain times a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: year and where he's feeding at certain times a year.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And did that change based on a the cattle rotation
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: next door and be the crop rotation in the general area.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: How much do you discount the data from last year
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: as compared to two years ago because of a different
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: crap in the rotation? So to say, in a different way,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: if if two years ago as corn, last year as beans,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: this year's corn, and now I might normally think, Okay,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: what he did last year is a five year old
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: or a four year old is probably a little bit
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: more valuable altho when he did the year prior as
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a three year old, But maybe not if it's a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: different crap. How How how's the influences I know it
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: influences things, but how significantly in your mind I think
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it does? Influence it, because it just depends whether this dear.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: You know, I've seen deer have preferences in tastes that differ,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense, believe it or not. I've seen
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: deer that call them carn hogs down in Texas. Well,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you see the same thing up here. I think they
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: have a sweet tooth. They love those carbs. And I've
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: seen other deer that really don't come to a cut
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: corn field that often, or even a corn pole when
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you put him out in the summer and get pictures
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and stuff. So it can be a little bit dear dependent. Um.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: This particular dear seems to like corn um as it
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: pertains to that rotation when it was cut corn. I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: mean that's when I was getting in the most, certainly
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: when he was when he was three. So you have
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: to take that. It's a great point that you make.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: You have to take that into consideration as well. You
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: have to interpret what you've experienced with three year olds
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: in the past, and they're movement during daylight activity versus
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a five year old this year. Excuse me, Can I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: expect that same daylight activity during that exact same phase.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And the answer to that is probably not as much
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: might expect something, but probably not as much. Those three
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: year olds they walk, man, they get out, and they
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: travel and they go. So it's gonna be very, very
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: important that I figure out exactly where he was betting
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: at certain times a year, as opposed to depending on
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a daylight fly by right when he was three. You
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: really have to figure out where he's betting and get
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: right next to that bed. That's where it all comes
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: down to, not get in it, but next to it. Now,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: similar question, but how much do you discount nighttime pictures?
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Because as I've been trying to, I'm doing something very
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: similar with a buck right now. I'm in my third
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: year with him, and to try to make it more manageable,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I've really focused my deep analysis on just daylight pictures
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: or observations. So I've got my spreadsheet that lists every
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: one of those daylight pictures or sightings and then all
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the data. Um, but am I missing I'm sure I'm
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: missing something. It's just a matter of how much time
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: can I afford to to put to it. But when
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it comes to those nighttime picks, am I missing them?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Boat not trying to derive some information from them too?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Or is it okay, because that nighttime stuff could be
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously these deer could be betted along ways
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: away and still showing my cameras at night, um, etcetera, etcetera.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there? I think they're worth a
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: lot personally. So I look at the uh nighttime photo,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I look at the time of the photo, and then
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I go backwards to whatever year it was and find
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: out what the moon phase was the day of that photo.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So just because he's moving during night, if that occurred
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: during dark of the moon, probably isn't very surprising. And likewise,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: if I look at my daylight photos and see how
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that correlates to the food moon and see whether it's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a morning photo or an evening photo, is he following
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the trend that I see so often with so many
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: deer in that as you approach that full moon as
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: it's rising in the afternoon, is he moving a little
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: bit more during daylight of an afternoon or right after
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that full moon? Is he moving during daylight right after
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it of a morning? So I look at every photo
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: morning or day and go back to the moon phase
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: and then look at where he's at. And all I'm
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: trying to do is figure out where that deer's betting
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: when he is walking past this camera on this portion
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of the farm. You know, is he head in the bed?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Is he coming out of bed at this time? Uh?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: You know, because I have daylight photos of him. So
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: sometimes camera you know of camera pictures a moment in time,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Well that's just a moment. You don't know what he
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: did the other you know, the rest of the day. Um,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: but he's still on your farm, right, That means he's there.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And a lot of these deers just don't travel all
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that far. So uh, you know, I think every photo
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: is worth a lot, and I almost look at them
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: as I ignore daylight versus versus daytime, if that makes sense,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: because I know he was there that day. Um, just
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: because he walked by it at you know, four thirty am,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he didn't bed down thirty seconds later and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: then and then permanently bed and walk during daylight, you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: right at daybreak and going up to this bed that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I think he's betting in, if that makes sense. You know.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So nighttime photos I think are still very valuable, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: because say you get one at nine pm, you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: just after darker eight pm, you know, during the season.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It might be seven PM and it's dark. Well, he
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: was close, right, He might have been feeding for an
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: hour and then walked by your camera. So camera surveys
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: are camera on cameras only give you a moment in time.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But he's still there. If you've got a picture of
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a mature dear, that's a huge deal. Man, he's walking
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: on your property. So I don't I like both nighttime
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and daytime photos when you're when you're getting both, that
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: just means that's where your camera was when he walked
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: by that particular day. Yeah, that's that's a great point. Um.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Now on the daylight note though, I know that in
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the past we've talked about this kind of annual pattern
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that we can often see where bucks will do something
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: relatively similar from year to year, tied to certain parts
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: of the year. Um So, how specifically are you what
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: am I trying to stay here? Where we are? You've
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: been following this for years and years? Now, how closely,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: how aggressively will you take a crack at a buck
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: like that? Now, if, for example, this buck that you've rediscovered,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: if it does show if we do go back and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: look at pictures from last year and he daylighted. He
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: was in daylight on one of your food plots on
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: October um and then October. How seriously are you about
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: trying to get in there and say he was daylight
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: on this date last year. I'm gonna be in there.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Is it have to be the same exact can editions,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be backed up by additional new intel
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: from this year? Uh? What are you? How how much
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: emphasy putting that? Are you looking at my photos? First
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: of all, because you're just about hit his two daylight ranges, Mark,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I really do my research for these podcasts, you do.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you he was actually daylight through the sixteenth
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: when he was three and four, and then he daylighted again,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: um at October. The was it twenty nine through November
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: four when he was three and four, and then he
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: daylighted again November, like tiers in a row. So this
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: tear has been pretty predictable in terms of that, So
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you bet you I'm gonna absolutely zone in on that,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to correlate and cross reference all of
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: my assumptions based on where I think he's betting from
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the stuff I was painting out earlier. And then trying
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: to make a good approach and get in there, and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: we're planting with this in mind right now, right you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: like we're planning green fields to try to attract this
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: year sometime in October, and then of course the mid
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: November was rud activity. He's just walking when I got
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: in there. But both of the October daylights that I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: was getting he was heading to are from a food source.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm planting accordingly with my radishes right now for
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: that dear. Now, what if what if the conditions that
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: you get when we arrived to that time period this
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: year are bad? What if they're off? They're very different
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: from what they were last year, in the year prior,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and they're not great, you know, just given the fact
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that it's warm temperatures or funky wind or something. Do
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: you brush that aside and still go because of the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: previous year's intel or do you say, okay, then no,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hunt this three day
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: window because of that. If my access is button down
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and I can get in and out without anything letting,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: without anything knowing I'm coming and going, I'll still hunt it, um,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: But my access isn't that way. In this particular instance.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: So therefore I will I will hold off rather than
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: than risk it unless it's I mean, unless it's borderline.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: But if it's terrible, terrible weather twenty degrees above, you know, normal,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: and you know the pressure sucks. I'm just not going
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to burn a day on a on a maturity or
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: this caliber um. But once it's you know, once you
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: get into the rut, that's a different answer. You know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: once you get into the rut and there's rut activity
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: going with it, that's a different answer. October food activity.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: You've got to have the weather on your side to
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: kill one. During the rut you rather important, but it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: not as important because you've got other variables in there
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that are influencing movement. All right, So you're building this
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: this kind of internal map. Do you do you actually
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: make a physical map or just kind of in your head.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: It's in my head. Okay, So you've got this internal
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: map in your head, You've you've analyzed all these photos,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: You've planted things specifically for specific bucks in certain spots.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It's the night before opening day and I don't know
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: which state this is. You know, you can tell us
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: you don't need Okay, so it's Iowa. It's October or
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: September or whatever it is. The day before October one, Now, um,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: what do you do the night before opening day this year?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Are you spending with your wife and your family? Are
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you glassing? What's the best way to spend that last
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: evening before the opener? Well, I'll problem it's like the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: adversary because it's so I'll be hunting down there, all
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: tagged out. I'll be at uh the Mexican restaurant in
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: No Silla, having a margarita with salt time. Honestly, answer,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I'll be getting ready for a very long Iowa season
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: ahead and having a having a good time. And it's
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it's one of those joyous occasions that the night before
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Iowa season, everybody's in a good mood. We cannot wait
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to start hunting these bucks that you know, the plans
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: in place, the food plots are up hopefully and growing,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and the stands are all ready to go. And now
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it's just about going out there. And you know that
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: we've planned the execution. Now we've got to go execute
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the plans. Is the answer any different? On September fourteenth
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: in Missouri, No, not really, we're we're anxious for both
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: of them to start. Although often September fourteenth of Missouri
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: is tempered by really really warm temperatures, the last few
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: years it's just been miserable the first week of the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Missouri season. Taylor and I were just talking about that
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: this weekend in Utah. She was like, Man, I'm limited
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: on when I'm going to come in because they're in
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the middle of a new house build, you know. And
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I said, well, I would air towards the latter part
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: of September rather than the first few first few days
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of the season, because you've got a rising moon in
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: late September, and traditionally the temperatures are cooling off somewhat,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: so that first week of the Missouri season can be tricky.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Beans are still green, temperatures are warm. This year, we
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: don't have a rising moon yet, so I look very
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: forward for the last seven days of September this year. Now, now,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: my the next scenario I was going to throw at you,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: it's it's a slight variation on on what we talked
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: about with the daylight past activity from past years, and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's directly related what you just mentioned, which is
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: those warm early season temperatures. So let's say leading into
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: opening day, We'll say it's leading into opening day, Missouri,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you've been getting daylight trail camera pictures of a mature
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: buck that you want to target. Maybe it's not the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: two days prior, but let's say over the over the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: ten days prior, you've got three four daylight sightings of
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: him coming out to a spot you could hunt. That's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: pretty exciting stuff. I would be feeling good about my
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: opening day sit but when you look at your weather conditions,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you've got lousy, warm, hot days on those first three days.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So in my head, I'd be thinking, man, that first
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: night of the season is such a great opportunity because
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: there hasn't been prior hunting pressure, and I know that's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: going to change each day afterwards, but it's lousy conditions.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Would you go in there and hunt opening data matter
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: what because of that, or would you still, as you mentioned,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: wait to have the right weather, be conservative and wait
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: till three days in the season. Disregarding hunting pressure impacts
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: from other people, I'd wait. Yep. I'm always a waiter.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I mean only because through history I've seen the nights
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that they'll move during earlier season, and I've seen the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: nights they won't and they just don't move nearly as well,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: or worst case scenario, they finally come out, it's too late.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Then you got to get out of there right. And
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: he walked onto the field at a hundred yards, he's
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: not within bow range and he's out there feeding, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: then you've got to get out of there right because
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: he came out at the last five minutes of life.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I hate that scenario. I want to get in there
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: where I have enough time to let that deer get
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: onto the field, feed for a little bit, and then
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: walk past because oftentimes my my setups aren't exactly right
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: where they walk out, and it requires them to get
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: full where they come out and then walk past because
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I'm so crazy about my access in and out, so
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I'm often not close enough. But they have to do
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: some walking. And you'll find that those big bucks, especially
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: early in the season, soon as they hit that plot,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna feed for thirty minutes before they'll
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: make a move. So, um, I want that weather on
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: my side, the weather end of the moon. What about
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that exact scenario then where you ended up going in
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: there and it was a little bit too late of
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: movement because it was a little warm. Maybe it was
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: me and uh I somehow convinced you with my over
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: eagerness to go in there anyways, and you listen to
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: me foolishly and you did it, and you went in
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and you're sitting there in that buck comes out right
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: towards the end of the night. But it's it's early season,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: so you know, at least where I'm honeying in Michigan,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I don't like to get aggressive with calling too earlier.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But here he is the buck I want. He's a
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: hundred yards away or ninety yards away or something. I've
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: got a few minutes left. Do you just let it
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: slide and watch him walk away, because as you just know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be too much to ask for him to
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: come all that way over? Or will you try to
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: get aggressive in that last five minutes and do some
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: calling something to try to make something happen on nothing? No,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: what I wouldn't call um. I'd watch him and try
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to learn something from it, and then I'd sit there
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a very long time in the dark before. So you know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just I just hate that scenario. But when it
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: happens my butts parked there for at least an hour
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: after dark before I'll attempt getting down and I'll continue
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to glass him. Now, if he walks off the field,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I'll get down quick and scurry out of there. But
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: if he's still on that field, which oftentimes they do,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: they come out and they stand there and feed and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: don't move very far, or they'll come and spar with
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: other bucks, or they'll just be feeding there. I've had
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: him bed down. I mean, it's just a nightmare. Um.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: At worst case scenario, I will al hoot our coyote,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: how in order to try and get some of the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: deer off the field, and that that has worked pretty good. Actually,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: once it's dark and you clear the field, it's almost
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: as if it really didn't bother them, because they don't
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: clear very far. But if you clear them while it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: still any lightness guy at all, they seem to clear
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: farther and harder, and it affects them a little bit more.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: But once you have the cover of darkness, do you
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: ever notice how much more calm they are? Even when
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: you bump one on the way into the stand and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the free dawn, there's just a lot more calm when
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: they're under the cover of darkness, so I wait for
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: complete cover of darkness, and if I have to clear myself,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ol, hoot or are potentially you know, kyo
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: hall at them? What about you who? Or you howl?
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: And you spook some of them off, But like you mentioned,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not gone gone. They're somewhere with an
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: earshot probably or at least a lot of them are.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Do you try to sneak out of the stand still
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: or do you just like rip the band aid off
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and just say, I'm gonna get out of here as
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: fast as I can. I'm gonna make a ruckus because
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna just get out of here.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: What approach you take? Sneak yep, yep um. I just
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: even when I'm tracking, and you know, even on heroes
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: and stuff, when we're sitting there with the deer, I
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: want out of there as much as like, I just
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: hate being in their world and letting them pattern me.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna sneak out and try not to affect them. Okay,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Now this is another scenario, totally different part of the year,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: but imagine it's November. We're heading in for a morning hunt.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: It's November four, and you've got one of those super
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: duper quiet, perfectly still, very crunchy, frosty mornings. I know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you know those days where every step you take seemingly,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: you know, reverberates two miles out in every direction, and
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like every step just makes me just cringe with how
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: much noise I'm making. In that situation, I often debate
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Do I still do I try to
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: sneak and take like an hour to get there, or
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: do I just make a ruckiss getting there? But it
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: only takes me five minutes and then I've got fifty
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: five minutes that no dear is gonna hear me at all?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: What would you do? I go slow and quiet, but
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I will go a little bit earlier on those days
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: because frost is gonna bet them hard. And if I
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: can get by those deer, you know you're gonna you know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you're gonna affect dear, because they're gonna hear you. Right,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: you go as slow as you can, you go as
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: early as you can, and you get in there and
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you let everything settle down. Because those frosty mornings, even
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: if you almost walk into one and bump them and
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: they and they run, they don't go very far. I mean,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: it puts them into a very lethargic mood on those heavy,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: frosty mornings. So I give myself plenty of time to
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: go slow. But I also know in the back of
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: my head if I do bump one, they're probably not
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: gonna go very far because they're pretty lethargic until that
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: that sun comes up and burns a lot of that
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: frost off. Those are those days where you gotta expect
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that movement to be delayed by at least hour, hour
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes, hour and thirty minutes. It's it's well
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: into the day oftentimes before that big move happens. Let's
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: stick a little bit with the weather thing. I know
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: we've beaten this horse to death maybe over past episodes,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: but um, I want to just get a little bit
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: more detail on the execution of of how you use
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: weather and moon factors. You guys have done a great
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: job of talking about this in your dear Cast app
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and providing that two of the people. Um, but let's
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: say now we're into October. It's mid October October and
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: a big cold front is rolling through, so it's kind
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: of that mid October quote unquote lull of sorts. But
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you have this great front and it's probably the first
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: big front of the year. It's gonna drop temperatures twenty
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: degrees from the prior highs. It's hitting overnight, so your
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: first like daylight cold temperature is gonna happen that morning,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: that coming morning, and that it's gonna stay cool for
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: about three days. Let's say, walk me through exactly how
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: you would think about hunting that period, Let's say, from
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the day prior to the front hitting to the three
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: cool days afterwards. Um. In specifically, I mean like what
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: quality of stands are you hunting at what point during
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: that four day period? What are some of the things
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you're thinking about? Um? Would you hunted differently because mid
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: October than you would have laid October? Or does the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: first cold front of October mean big things? No matter
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: what it means, it means big things. However, it's hitting
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: in the dead middle of the month. And if you
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: take this year scenario, you're also dark of the moon,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: so you've got two strikes against you right out of
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: the right out of the bat man. It's it's mid October,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: which is the level I mean we're all in the
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: right mood, they're not quite there yet, um And it's
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: dark of the moon, which I really just don't have
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: nearly as much success on dark in the moon as
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I do in and around the full But if you've
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: got a cold front, we had a chapter in our
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: book Hunting John white Tails called the cold October Wind,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: And you can't ever miss that first first major cold
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: in October. It can be magical been during the law.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Even on the dark of the mood, you may not
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: see the activity that you want to see because it
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: is dark of the moon, but that first thirty to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes in the last thirty are still going
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: to be quite good. So the night before the front hits,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on a green food source, on an
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: animal that I've patterned or have pictures of, and the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: hopes of seeing him ahead of the front. The first
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: morning of it, I'm gonna be in a stand somewhere
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: on a hardwood ridge that's probably got some make corns
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: dropping are certainly on next to a bedroom. And then
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt every evening in the front, and i
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: won't hunt any more mornings. Most likely that first north wind,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the morning is very very important, and they're going to
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: move on that morning. The subsequent ones not as much.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Mid October probably a little fraid of bumping some deer route.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna use the cover of the afternoon bed
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: to get into the food source that I'm hunting that
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: deer on. And I'm not going to expect much activity
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: until the last light because of that dark of the moon.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: And I won't be disappointed because I'm not seeing dear.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: It's it's amazing. Even those major cold fronts on dark
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: in the moon during the October law, they could be
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: pretty frustrating. Those big bucks still may not move during daylight.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: It's uh, it's amazing. Even with the weather, that moon
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: has has some mighty powerful influence over dear in the
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: middle of October. So given that moon impact, you've got
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: the great weather, but the questionable moon and the questionable
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: time of year. You're telling your your standing is gonna
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: be pretty damn good. But you know there's a little
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: bit of negativity here. Does this demand in a grade
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: stand site or are you thinking I'm not gonna go
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: to my very best green field for that night? I
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: might This might be B B plus type spots. You
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'll probably because the front is
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: so good, I'll probably still go try it. And if
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't produce that first day or first night, then
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: then I'm gonna pivot to be you know, those coal fronts,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: you just never know when you have one bedded within
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: hundred yards or where you're sitting, you know, and maybe
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you've got a picture, maybe you've got a cell camera
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: that that leads you to a certain spot, or maybe
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: you've got history with a big buck that leads you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: to a certain spot. I'm still gonna try it. Okay,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I like I like that. I like that. Um, it's
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that same time here. Let's say it's October. Um, but
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a little bit of wiggle room.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: It could be similar between October fourteenth and October twenty fourth.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Let's say we're gonna give you that ten day window.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Somewhere within that area, you're out there hunting. Maybe that
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: front came through, and you're out there in one of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: these good spots and you see a dough getting chased hard,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and there's several bucks. Um, maybe one of them's mature,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: on the edge of mature. Maybe there's like a three
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: four year old type buck running around, and then a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: bunch of young deer and they're they're chasing this dough
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: down like crazy, and you would seemingly think by seeing
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: this like, okay, that's probably or it's possibly a doll
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: that's coming to heat early. Um, how would you respond
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: to that? Would you stick with just your normal mid
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: October hunting strategy or would you shift for a couple
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: of days into Uh, okay, we've got like a rut
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: type situation for a couple of days here. What would
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: you do? What's your thought process with that happening? Well,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: it's a very realistic scenario because every year in October,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: like man, there's always some giants that get shot, and
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to me, it's always that those first really big alpha dose,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: those big old gals. I think some of those start
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: putting off semester signals or perhaps full heat, full on
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: heat in the month of October, and you see the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: slight little flurry every year, those are those mornings, especially
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: if they're companied with a cold front, that you could
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: probably get out and have some success with some light calling,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: some light sparring hunting. Uh an acorn flat or possibly
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: a bedroom of the morning, as opposed to just an
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: afternoon approach during the month of outer over, which historically
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I'm more afternoons, you know, of my hunts in October.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: In the afternoons, I'll preserve a morning hunt for the
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: first you know, cold north wind. But if I start
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to see that flurry that you're describing, I'm probably going
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: to try and take advantage of that by getting in
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: closer to where they either came from or where they're
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: going or where I assume that does betting are are feeding,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: whether it be a morning hunt or an evening hunt.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get pretty aggressive because it's a short window.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: It doesn't last long, and sometimes you can kept some
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: bucks really with their eyes rolled back in and around
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that first little flurry of estres. And I've I've had
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: decent luck calling Bucks during this period as well. But
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I do more of a starring type of sound than
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I do an all out fight type of sound, if
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. I try to make the sound similar
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: to what they would be doing during that time of
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the year. How long is that time window that you
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: think you have to to approaches that a day is
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a two days? What is that a couple of days?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: A couple of days in eighteen, right, and there is
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: generally the best too in October four for that crazy flurry.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Some years you see it, some years you don't. I
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: think it's just a matter whether you're lucky enough to
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: have to have been close to one of those those
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: older matriarchal does and and actually see it happen. Most
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: years you don't see it, but I do think it occurs.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Watch there's always some giant shot all across the country
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: those few days in October. If if let's say we
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: get a little bit later, we're that last ten days
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: or so of the month, we're kind of working our
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: way through the season here, and it's it's October twentie
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: to TWI somewhere in that, and you're out there getting
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: after it, and you see a buck do something out
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: of range of your your tree stand, of your blind
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: two days in a couple of day window, let's say,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: over three hunts, you happen to hunt within sight of
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: the same area. Maybe we're in the same stand both times,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: but you could see this same fellow field of from
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the distance, and a buck moved there there two or
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: three days. But you don't have a tree stand over there.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: You don't have a blind over there, and it's a
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: relatively intrusive spot to get to. It's right in the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: edge of a betting area. Let's say, um, historically it
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: seems like you're pretty conservative with your stands. You tend
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: to have a lot of them up preseason. In that case,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: after seeing two moves and three days like that, would
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you go in there and set a new stand midday
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: on octobery or something? Or what what would you do?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I would if if I thought it was approachable with
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the right wind and the right windy conditions to do
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: it without without blowing him out of there, so you
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: know where he went to bed, and you think, oh,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: he could come back out this evening and go right
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: through that same spot. Absolutely, I'll go in there and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: hanging hunt, you bet you if it's if it's if
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: you've got the right conditions to do so. Windy days,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: middle of the day or ideal times, provided your winds
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: blowing to a safe direction, you have the luxury of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: the high winds really hampering their ability to hear you.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: So if the conditions are right, I'll go do it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: If it's a dead calm one, now I'm not doing it,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you know, because they're they're gonna hear you trying to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: do it. I would assume unless you're really really stealthy
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: and you can get it up without making a single peeper.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm too clumsy for that. So, uh, those those
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: calm days, I'm I'm generally holding holding off. Have you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: ever done or thought about the old farmer trick where
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: you want to do something like that put a stand up,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: so you go in there as if it's just like
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: a farm day kind of thing, rolling there with a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: big trailer and make a bunch of noise and run
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the chainsaw or whatever it is. But you're putting up
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: a blinder tree stand and the hope being that the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: deer used to this kind of obvious activity around harvest
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: season and they're not bothered by that. Is that something
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: you've ever kind of used. Absolutely, we do it off attractors,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like if there's a camera I want to check,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I'll go check it off the tractor, or sometimes I'll
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: wait till the middle of the night to go check
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: stuff off the tractor, and they it doesn't other them
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: hardly at all. So yes, it's a great point, but
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I don't make extra noise trying to act like I
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: don't care. I just simply use the noise of a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: tractor to cover it. You just raised the question when
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: it comes to checking trail cameras, and you could go
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: into a spot and check them on a tractor or
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: in your truck. Let's say you've got some field edge cameras,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: is it would you say it's better and less intrusive
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: to drive your vehicle in and make that check in
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: the middle of the day or in the middle of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: the night. The middle of the night interesting, Sure there
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: is a calmness, but it depends exactly where it's at.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: If it's on a food source, you know that you
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: can get too during the middle of the day and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: have zero zero point zero percent chance of a deer
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: seeing or hearing you or smelling you. Then I'll do
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: that which I often put my cameras in those locations, right.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I put them in areas where I can get in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and get out of it without bothering deer. But if
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: it's one, then I just have to get to and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want to bother anything. Man. You wait till
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the cover of darkness. Drive that tractor and they're real slow,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: and check it, and then you're not going to affect
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: a thing. In my opinion, they just you know, you could.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I've driven right past big Bucks at night and they'll
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: walk thirty forty yards and they go back to doing
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: whatever they're doing. Those tractors just do not bother them
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: that much. It's it's pretty amazing, especially during the middle
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: of the night. And would you say that would still
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: be the truth even if it's like a a food
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: source that you know there's gonna be a bunch of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: deer on Are you okay with clear in a field
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: like that given the vehicle? Well, he I wouldn't want to. Um,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: That's why I say it. If it's a food source
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: and I know I can get in and out of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the food source during the middle of the day, I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: would opt for that. If it would cover and I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: had to go check it, you know, middle of the night,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: they're probably not in there anyway, They're probably out on
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the food source. So um, you know, so I guess
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: and answer your question, food source, I'm trum probably checking
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: middle of the day, betting I'm probably checking more at night.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: And so whenever I feel like they're there, And do
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: you feel like the type of vehicle makes the difference,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: like as attractor a better option than a pickup truck
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: or U TV or something. I think, so, yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I just haven't seen them react much to attractor hardly
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: at all. I mean they really for whatever reason that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: that sound of that diesel just almost like a sleep
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: machine for him. That just doesn't affect him that bad.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: And I think they've grown up around farmers and and
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: but I'm hunting in farm country right northern Missouri and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: southern Ireland. Tractors just don't pose much of a threat
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to them. I guess, uh, I guess I need to
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: just pony up and buy myself a tractor one of
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: these years. Then I need a good trail camera, check
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: and tool exactly. We'll talk to talk to a combiner.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: They see more giant bucks than anybody, you know, during
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: the hardest part of the season. I mean, they can
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: see the same buck on every round in some of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: those fields. It's amazing how those those gear just don't
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: get bothered by combines. Are are tractors speaking to that?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: In a in a since wation where you're hunting the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: edge of or very near to a field that's getting harvested,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: are you in in the case where your shots would be,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: you know, to the edge of that field. Would you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: stay hunting a spot like that. Let's say you went
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: in in the afternoon and then for the last couple
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: of hours of the day, all of a sudden, here
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: comes the farmer. He's gonna be combining the standing cornfield
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: right next to you. Would you stick it out because
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: those deer relatively used to those comments coming through, or
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you know, would you say, well, yeah, they're used to it,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: but they're not so used to it that they're gonna
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: let it go. Driving by and still stand ten yards
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: out in this cut corn field let me shoot them. Well,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: I have stuck it out in many occasions, and some
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: of that depends on what type of stand you're in.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: If you're in a transitional stand a little bit off
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: the field, I've had really good luck with deer coming
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: both ways, once out of curiosity coming from bed to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: look out in the field, and others coming out of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: the field back into security cover. And if you're just
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: off of it's pretty good sich wation. If you're right
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: on the edge of the field, you're you're asking for
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of luck to go your way to just
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: succeed in that situation. So I'm probably gonna you know,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I may stick it out, depending on how late they start,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: but if it's early in the afternoon and I can
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: go get into another stand, I'm probably going to do that.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping this next scenario won't be what you're dealing with,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: but it could. It could happen. It's late October. It's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: October somewhere in that ballpark, and this mega giant you've
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: gotten Iowa. You still have not gotten any daylight pictures
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: from him. He's not gone daylight. You haven't seen him,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: but you know he's still alive and he's still around,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: just not moving in daylight where you have your cameras
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: or where you've been hunting. The rut is approaching very quickly.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Any day now is going to break loose. And there's
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: this there's always this risk that once the rut hits,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: these bucks just go willie nelly all over the place
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: and they become much more difficult to pattern. They could
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: get killed by the neighbors, et cetera. Some people would
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: worry about those kinds of things. So in that situation,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: how would you proceed? Would you change up things dramatically
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: to try to get your last abbot and pre rut
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: or would you just wait until he finally does get
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: going and the rut gets going? What would you do?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, I love those last four days of October,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: five days, I guess really through thirty one. I mean,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's the time. So I'm just gonna assume that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that phase is going to kick in, and I'm gonna
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: keep hunting my my plan, the one that I set
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: forth early in the year based on where I think
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I can intercept this guy. I'm still gonna make sure
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I've got good access in and out. I'm gonna hunt
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: the weather the best I can, and I'm gonna hunt
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: more and more as I approached the latter part of October,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: because in an instant it can all change. You know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: you're only looking for that five minute period where he
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: daylights for you, and the later in October you get,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: the greater your odds are that it's about to happen.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I get excited in and around late October,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: especially if he hasn't daylighted, because he's about to. You know,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: if you know you're on him and he's in the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: area and he hasn't daylighted yet. He's about to, so
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: keep after him. Is there any kind of location and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming you know late October those evenings sits. It's
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: it's food related, of course. Um, how would a food
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: related evening hunt in late October be different than a
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: food related hunt in early October? It is the same.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Is that same great green food source? Have you shifted
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: to one that's even closer to the bedding area now
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: or something? Or uh? Is it just so dependent on intel?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Generally all of our green sources are pretty close to
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: the bedroom, so that almost wipes that scenario out because
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: what's happening in early octobers often happening in late October. However,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I might shift a little bit to a place that
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: has a few more does to add to that overall appeal,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: because that's all of a sudden, The order of the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: day is not necessarily clover, but rather the doughs that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: are on the clover, and you can see their demeanor switch,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: especially old mature dear. We do a phase that's called
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: prelock right there, and that is one of the best
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: times late October to kill an absolute mega giant, really
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: mature buck and more often than not, we're doing it
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: on a food source, whether that be a green field
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: of an afternoon or evening, or perhaps if it's the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: first north wind of a cold front, we might be
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: on an acorn flatter somewhere in a bedroom where they're
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: coming in the brows of a morning. But uh yeah,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I mean that's those are the days we live far
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: right late October on a green cource with a cold front.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially this year, look out, I mean that
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: rising mood is hitting late October. Everybody get ready because
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be in October to remember if we have
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: de whether it is gonna be unbelievable. They are gonna
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: be some mega giants killed. They're going to be incredible
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: this year. Now, how would you set up on a
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: little food source or don't if it's little or big,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: but you've got a food source that's tight to that
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: betting area, how would you typically in how do you
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: typically set up your blinds or tree stands in relation
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: to that? With wind direction? So I guess what I'm
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: trying to say is, would you sit right on the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: edge of the betting area with a wind blowing out
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: of it into the field, or would you hunt on
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: the opposite side of the field and hope those deer
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: will come out and cross it. How do you typically
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: try to be set up there so that the winds
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: in your favor and and or possibly in the deer's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: favor in some way so that they'll come out to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: that area. You know that varies based on the plot
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: and the deer for that matter. Um. Oftentimes our stand
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: positions are based on historical deer moment within that piece
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: of topography, are on that food plot. So we've already
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: watched it either with a trail camera that's on time
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: lapse or through our own observations through the years, and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: then we position our blind where we have probably a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: ninety degree wind coming off of the field into our
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: face and then somewhere safe and the deer are crossing
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: perpendicular to that, going past us out to another food source,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: if you will. Um, that's the ideal scenario in in
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: my estimation. But that only comes through you know, lots
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: about observation and I we just wait now we're just
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: talking about this. We've got a new um food plot
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: that we carved out this spring on a new lease,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: and we've got a really nice buck on on this
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: particular piece. Very pleased to see the quality of deer
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: that we got on cameras on this new lease. And
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: we're going to position to Reconics camera is now on
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: this bean field that we carved in and ninety degrees
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: to each other, so that we can get a true
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: time elapse of the entire field. And then we're gonna
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: watch where these deer entering the field. We have an
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: assumption of where they're coming and going from, but we
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: don't know for sure. So we're gonna let Reconics prove
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: it to us on this bean field and watch the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: deer flow for the next month and a half and um,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: and then you know, we'll have a better idea of
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: where to watch and where to anticipate the deer movement
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: once we're sitting there hunting it now. I can't remember
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: in our past conversations if I've ever asked you about
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: how you think these deer use the wind to determine
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: where they go feed. Do you think they typically have
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: got like, hey, these bucks, and are gonna want to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: go and hit this food source regardless of wind, or
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: do you think that on on Monday, it's more likely
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: the buck's going to go to that bean field because
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: of the northwest wind. But on Tuesday it switches out
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: to an east wind, so he's probably gonna go to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: the corn field the other side. Have you seen either
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: one of those scenarios. I do see those scenarios unfold,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: and I personally think it's where the wind forced him
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: to bed, as opposed to him trying to use the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: wind to his advantage. Of course they do that because
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: they live by their nose. But what I noticed most
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: about bed switching is when the wind switches or the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: speed switches, the bedroom switches, and therefore their entry into
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: the field will differ based on wind direction and speed. Gotcha, now,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: can you just for folks that haven't heard you talked
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: about in the past, can you talk about how you
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: see that wind direction impacting where they bed? Are they betting?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: You know? I've heard I often think that they're gonna
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: bed somewhere with the wind to their back and then
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: watching out front. Um, can you elaborate on your thoughts there?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: And again, it varies based on topography, whether you're talking
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: about a ridge or a bottom area. It varies based
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: on situation by situations, So the only way you kind
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: of learned that is by sitting there on different conditions
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: and finding out how affected them, or perhaps noting the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: conditions and then also looking at how they approached the field.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: In your time elapses that you're doing, you your food plots.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Time elapses on food food plots will tell you a
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: whole a whole bunch about access to and from not
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: only the deers, but also where you could be safe
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: coming and going. They'll also tell you whether wind direction
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: and speed will change where they're betting and where they're
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: coming out at. What I find is that the stronger
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: the wind, the lower and the topography that they bed
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: and then feed out that evening and then lighter wind days,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: sometimes they're down low, sometimes they're up high. They'll bed
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: wherever they want to on lighter one days. But one
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: thing's for sure, when that wind is really really high,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: oftentimes it puts them lower intopography to get protection from
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: that wind. Interesting. Interesting, Um, all right, we had a
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: scenario like that class ball um Wade was up in
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Alberta and Kyle, his wife, was up to bat she
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: was hunting and coon Dog and I were going to
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: film her that night and we had thirty mile in
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: our winds out of the northwest, and the pictures of
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: the previous seven days said we needed to be over
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: on this ridge top field, and I told Kyle, I
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: was like, I know you want to go there, but
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: my gut tells me we really really need to be
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: down in this bottom field based on these wind speeds.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: So we decided to head down into this deep bottom.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: It was good for a northwest wind, and we probably
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: saw forty deer that night, and previous to that, the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: most that had been on that field, based on the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: camera surveys or anyone sitting there, was ten to fifteen.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: But that wind literally had everything down in that valley
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: and everything coming through. And she ended up taking a beautiful, big,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: giant wide five and a half yearld eight point and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: it worked out great. And I eventually went and checked
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the camera that night of the of the ridge top
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: field and it sucked. Nothing was out there that night.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: So it's it's amazing how you can interpret what they
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: might do based on wind speed and wind directions. One
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: of those things that I've learned through the years, when
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: it's really windy, just don't don't go sit a ridge.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: It's generally not a particularly it's a northwest wind, southerly winds,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: it's not quite as bad, they're not quite as threatened.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: But a big coal print blowing in with heavy wind speed,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: they seem to go down on those days. What's what
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: it has to be heavy enough to make that impact
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: that we're talking like fifteen miles an hour? What's that,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I'd say, Plus, that's where it starts. You know, when
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: it starts getting uncomfortable to you, it's uncomfortable to them
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: as well. You know, like if you're standing there, it's like, wow,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: it's really it feels worse than I thought it was
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: going to. But I find that range somewhere roight. Plus
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: you start gusting thirty and forty, man, you better get low. Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Do you ever have challenges getting in those low spots though?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: And having swirling winds when you're down in the valley
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: and that heavy winds coming over top and doing funky things?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Does that something you struggle with it all or give
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: a plan for that? Oh? Absolutely? But I knew this
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: area was safe because I've hunted it on the same
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: conditions before and wind scouted it and knew what it
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: did down. Of course, you're gonna have those situations if
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: it's real heavy and it's curling back. You're not gonna
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: kill on anyway, so don't don't sit there. So I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: knew this particular spot. Let's say, when you say wind scout,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: what would you say the average person sugar could do
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: when it comes to trying to understand something like that.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Are you saying simply like you've hunted there in the
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: past and you've taken note of how wind effects it,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: or do you actually go in there in the off
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: season or other parts of the year and somehow specifically
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: look and see, Okay, today's got this wind. I'm going
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: to see what the milk weed does today here or
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, both, and answer your question. So
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I'm learning it as I'm hunting them, and that's probably
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: what most people are going to do and learn areas
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: when it's bad, you're like, you note that, oh, this
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: speed was you know, I was in there on A
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: fifteen eighteen and it was curling back. However, on A
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: eight to twelve it was fine, and you note that,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: or maybe in your notes or your mind you understand that.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Now you can also do that when you're not hunting,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: but you have to pay attention whether there's leaves on
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: the trees or not, So you'd want to scout that,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you know, perhaps in March before the leaves come out
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: on a variety of different wind speeds at in the evening,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: so you match the thermal's in with it and see
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: what it's what it's all doing together. And then you
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: also want to do that, you know, this time of
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: the year July August, go check what that wind speeds
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: doing because it's it's gonna curl back. Uh. It's interesting.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: We were putting some cameras out the other day and
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: we had all split up put cameras out in different positions,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: and Austin was over working on one part of the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: farm and he went in there to check a camera
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: farm and he goes, he goes that that field looks
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: like and this is on the new farm and the lease.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: He said, that field looks like it should be a northwest.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: He goes that wind was really curling back on me
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: today on on a west northwest and going right back
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: into the bedroom, he goes, I got out of there quickly,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: and I said, man, I appreciate that. And I immediately
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: told Wade and told Perry. I was like, we gotta
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: go in there on a north northwest and a northwest
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: under the same conditions and find out what those winds
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: are doing because west northwest isn't going to work there.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: It's a great point, and that's something that requires a
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: different flip to be switched to just be trying to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: pay attention to something that even when you're not hunting,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: but could really pay off. Obviously, that's uh good thing
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: to be some of that instincts. Well. Austin's a tremendous hunter,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: tremendous guide. He's been guiding since he was a team
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: you know. But he also knows how how anal I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: am over the wind speeds and wind directions on every spot.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a big deal. And you and
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I've talked about it, I think two or three different times,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: and I really don't hear a lot of people talking
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: about wind scouting and wind speed and direction, but it's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: it can make or break your whole season, you know,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: by knowing exactly what a wind direction and speed does
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: on every spot. I mean, that's that's that's a big
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: time man making sure that you got a safe wind
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: to go in there. But if you're curling and swirling
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: around forget it, and you're not gonna You're not gonna
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: fool him. Now, I know that you do a lot
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the same control. Right, you're utilizing
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: various ozone methods and you're following a very careful process.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: But you're saying, even when all those things, we still
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: have got to pay extreme attention to even that kind
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: of situation. Right, You've got to. And why you see
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: me in a blind so often anymore? Um, we set
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: crush everything down on everyday basis, camera's bows, ourselves, clothing,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: take a shower, get out there. You also see us
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: hunt with the windows clothes more often than not, so
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: that if you do get those swap slight twists and turns.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I want that added protection of a muddy bowl or
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: a muddy penthouse holding my scent in versus sitting in
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: a tree stand and and letting it curl out over
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: the over the field. I've got certain tree stands that
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: work on a variety of different wind speeds. But if
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I'm down in an area and it's curling around at all,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: or I'm on a ridge and it's curling back over
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: over the tree tops, i want some added protection in
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: addition to my scent crush or ozone application, and for me,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: that's a blind with the windows closed. Yeah, yeah, that
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: makes that makes sense, all right. We I think I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: need to shift to a little more rapid fire. I
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: keep on asking you all these foll up questions, and
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sinking our time down the drain and we're running
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: out of it. So I'm gonna try to run us
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: through a bunch of things relatively quickly so we can
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: cover as much ground as possible. Um in this last like,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty thirty minutes before I've got to
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: shut it down. Um, So we're just gonna run through it. Mark,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: It's November one second, we're into the rut. That chaos
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: is ensuing now, But you're still after this target deer.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: We keep on referring back to once that calendar switches.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Are you still trying to pattern him based off the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: historical intel and and that kind of thing? Or are
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: you gonna switch to your basic rut locations when it's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: a single target deer? Still, but Cass is ensuing, what's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: what's that first week in November? Look for you now,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I'm still right on his tail. I still think until
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: they actually get with an estrus dough, which oftentimes occurs
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: after the seeking phase or the buck parade like seventh, eighth,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: and ninth. Until that occurs, I'm right on his home core,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: at least my interpretation of what his home core is.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: I'm staying right on his tail all the way up
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: through about the ninth or tenth of November. Then might
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: start switching a little bit, and then at that point
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: it's just generic bill betting are as, funnels, whatever might
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: be that we fund the doughs them probably right, Yeah,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, just once they locked down, man, it's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: as much as as much luck as anything. You know,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: you still got a hunt. You gotta hot hunt, longer,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: hunt the betting areas. And you know we always say
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: they're in stupid spots, right, you can catch them out
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the field at that noon or
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: it's crazy where they go once they start chasing and
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: get off of their patterns. You know, they're very patentable
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: up there about the tenth or eleventh, and then all
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you throw all the patterns out the window.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: So I always say it's expectation of through about the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: tenth and then it's hope after the tenth. Yeah, that
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: sounds right. Um, how about this one right in that
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: same window, maybe November five. It's supposed to be a
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: great time of year, right, it's it's the deer Parade
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: or whatever we're calling it, right in that window where
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: good things should be happening. But you've got lousy conditions.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: We've got that dreaded November heat wave that pushes through.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: How would you hunt on November five on a cruddy
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: warm day differently than you would on a great cold
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: front day. You know, it depends what just occurred or
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: what's about to occur. If the conditions get warm and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: stay warm, I'm gonna hunt through them and do the
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: best I can. If, however, it's an isolated day or
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: two that's warm, I may actually set those out, give
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: myself a break, give the deer break, and jump back
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: in there once the weather turns in my favor again.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: So it really depends on what the rest of the
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: forecast looks like. However, if it's just crappy and stage crappy,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt through it. Okay, Well, because you've got
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: the other influencer, which is the rut occurring, right, It
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: only comes once, you know, and granted you're probably not
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: going to see as great activity, you're not going to
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: see as much, but you might. You know, there's always
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: that fight when it comes to hunting, the rut. It
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: might happen today, and I never never overlooked that that
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: aspect of it. Yeah, anything's possible anytime, any time, it
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: can be, you know, so you can't tell them if
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: you're not hunting. However, if it's an isolated day, I
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: might take a little break, you know, I've started to
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I used to think that I had to be out
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: there every single day, every single hour, and if I didn't,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I really hated myself for it. But I'm starting to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: get to the point where you know, it might be
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: okay to take that day for a little bit of
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: mental health or family health. Uh, And you're probably better
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: for it the rest of your time after that. You
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: know you really are, because it sharpens you back up
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: right too. You know, you can go these hot, seven, eight,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: nine days in a row, you start to wear down
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: just a little bit, you get a little mental fatigued,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: and you know, maybe that day is taken to check
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: some cameras or do some other activity. Shoot your bow again,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: get back in shape and give yourself a break from
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: the hunt so that when you go back hunting, you're
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: sharp again and that energy level still is high. You
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: never want to let yourself were out, especially during the rut.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: It's one of the tactics we talked about, especially in
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: the middle of November, is stay sharp, stay focused. And
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: you know, you look at it and you go, well,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: it's not that hard to be focused. We'll go sit
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: there ten great days in a row. It's easy to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: wear yourself out and fatigue too much of anyone things
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: too much. So never be afraid on those poor days
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: that's putting our bad days, putting it in deer cast terms,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to take a little break and give the deer break
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, because you're probably miss a whole heck
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: of a lot in all honesty, and you know, I've
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: sat through enough poor predictive days and bad predictive days.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: It's generally not that far off. It's like, you know, what,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna miss? If they're not moving anyway?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Now now, speaking of though, the unpredictability of things, anything
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: can sometimes happen. So let's let's uh move to November.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: It's November ten and you are hunting and a big
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: buck comes through following a dough. He's obviously locked onto her,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: and they settle in about a hundred yards away from
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: you in some thick cover, but you can see him
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: and they're just hanging out. He's just kind of pushing around,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: they're just standing. Um. In that scenario, will you just
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: wait him out or do you try to somehow attract
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: him away from the dough? Um? And what if this
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: goes on for hours? If it's is this is your
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: answer to this question different if it's a half hour
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: versus six hours. I generally have a sentence that if
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: it's a target buck and I've got my eyes on
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: him and he's locked on the dough, I'm gonna stay
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: exactly where I'm at and i won't take my eye
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: off of him. I'm not gonna try and get down.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try and go closer, unless, by chance,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: it was really gusty, gaily wind to where I felt
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: like I could get by with the movement. From a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: visual and audible standpoint, I might make a move on him,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: try and get a little bit closer if I can,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: you know, go over there and call a little bit.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Because if he's a hundred yards and you try to
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: call to him, Chances are he's not going to come
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: to you. However, if you can get close to him
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: and call, he might if he gets if he gets
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: really edgy, because other bucks are approaching a hot dough.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: When you're close, you mean one thing. When you're distance,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: you don't mean a whole heck of a lot to him.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: And I've seen that work. But you gotta be able
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: to get there. You gotta be able to have a
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: shot once he comes in. And it's it's not an
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: overly likely scenario that you're going to succeed in. That
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: sounds exciting, though, Oh it's exciding, right, it's exciting, but
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: you're you know, I've also seen situations where buckets on
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: the dough and three days later he's still in that
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: little home core and he's still on the same dough.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: So that's the other way to look at it is, Okay,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: he's locked down. Now. I not only have today, I've
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: probably got the next few days to to dance around
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: this scenario here, and I'm going to continue to see
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: these two deer. Okay, well, how close do you think
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: you need to get in that case? For the call
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to work in that scenario laid out there, you're talking
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: like or yeah, within within sixty, within fifty something like that.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: You've gotta have the cover and the topography to do it.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not an overly likely scenario, but
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: it could work. It really could. Watch him watch a
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: deer that's better with a dough watch other little bucks approach.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: He won't. He won't go get rid of him until
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the bucks literally right on top of him are a threat.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: But if you go do a fight really close, get ready,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: because he's lava about run you over. Man. He does
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: not like other bucks getting close to his hot doll.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: So the situations gotta be right. The weather's gotta be right,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: the wind's gotta be right. You can succeed. It's just
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: not a high likelihood of success. Here's an opposite scenario
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: from that. That's that's an exciting fund scenario November. What
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: about a not so fun scenario, which is you're hunting
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: at that same time period and you get picked off
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: by you get busted by a buck in the stand. Um,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: maybe he sees you. Maybe it's a sea and a smell,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: But one way or another, there's a mature buck within
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: shooting range and he busts you before you can get
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: a shot. How long is that spot toast? Or or
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: because the rut, Do not worry. You're gonna go right
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: back in there, you know, the next day or two,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: because another buck might come through that you want to
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: get a shot at. Um. That's Part A, and then
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: Part B is tell me how your answer is different
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: if I asked you this in October versus November. Well,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: you're back to the margarite is at the Mexican restaurant.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: I think I hate getting busted, But if it's October,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: that's one scenario. Chances are you might have just messed
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: your whole season out that they catch you in October.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: I don't like getting caught in October because they're they're
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: not going very far from their bed. They're they're feeding
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: in the same general area. And if they catch you
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: within that home range, chances are you could put him nocturnal,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: or you could put him out of there altogether. Uh,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: in November not quite as bad. They have a much
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: shorter memory in November than they do in October, especially
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: once they're all round up at chasing does And I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: mean they're just their demeanor is just so different November
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: than it is October. So you know, in October, I'm
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: probably gonna stay out of there for a little while,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: and you know, let my cameras kind of dictate when
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I should go back in there. I'm gonna assume that
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: I've mucked it up pretty bad, right, and I'm going
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: to stay out of there until he proves to me
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: that I should go back in there and hunt him again,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: that I didn't muck it up as bad as I
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: thought I did in November. I'm probably going in back
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: in that afternoon or the next day, because any hot
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: dog could walk in front of that buck and he
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: could literally follow her right back down the same trail
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: that he caught you on. So two different demeanors there
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: and two different outcomes. I think, Well, you mentioned how
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: you'd let your trail cameras help you in that scenario.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: What would you do if you had to hunt without
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: trail cameras for a year, like, what would be the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: most notable difference in how you'd approach this season? Be Um,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how your scout, how you would scout different
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: or if you would simply hunt differently because of that
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: lack of intel. Um, what would be some of your
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: first things you can think of that you would have
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: to do differently with zero cameras? Um. You know, then
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: it's back to probably scouting a little bit more visually, uh,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: from the distance, looking for deer, looking for patterns, those
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: types of things. I'm also what I used to key
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: in on before we had trail cameras. It wasn't rubs
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: or scrapes. It was either the visual uh confirmation that
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: a buck was there. But I always scouted for tracks,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: and if there wasn't a big, giant track in the area,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I just wouldn't hunt there. If I could find that
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: big track by scouting. I was always used to walk
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: the creek by atoms, you know those ditches in the
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Midwest that you get that layout, that sandy soil, And
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I'd walk and walk and walk till I cut a
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: big track, and then I knew I was somewhere in
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: that deer's home range, and I would hunt that way
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: based off either seeing them or finding big tracks. Big
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: tracks don't lie, uh, they ever have and they never will.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: You know, a little young deer just don't have a
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: big foot. And for you, what do you consider a
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: big track, Well, I've never really measured one. I mean,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: I know what it looks like, generally, the size you know,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: generally the size of my hand, you know, from tip
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: to do klaw um. But you know, as you know,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: you know what a dough track looks like and what
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: a young buck truck track looks like. And then when
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: you see that big fat track some down in the
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: mud and clearly an imprint, I mean you just you
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: just know, hey, this is a big mature buck right here.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: So we killed a lot of big deal based on
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: just finding their tracks back in the day, you know,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: before trail care, and that's how we were killing right
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people probably could you know,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: improve some of their hunting by getting some of that
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: into their repertoire. Probably still today, no question. I mean,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: I think we can depend a little bit too much
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: on trail cameras at times. And I still I'm looking
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: at the ground when I'm out in the woods, I'm
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: looking down. I'm generally not looking up. I'm looking for
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: tracks because it's the way we you know, started uh hunting.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Even during Turkey season, if I see a big buck
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: track in an area, I never forget it and weighs
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: the same way. We're constantly looking for big tracks. All right,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: let's go back to our season chasing your magic I
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: talked about. I talked about the creeks. I would also
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: walk the edges of of tillable farms, you know, like
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: big corn fields, big bean fields. I'd walk the edges,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: look at every entry and exit trail and look in
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: and in and around the roads and around the outer edge.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: And you'd find big tracks that way too, because oftentimes,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: you know, those tillable fields will mud a little bit
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: longer than anywhere else, and you can find some big
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: tracks coming and going out at a big table fields. Yeah,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: I've seen that too. I was gonna say, let's hop
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: back to our hypothetical season, and we're still after this
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: great big buck. We weren't able to capitalize. In October.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of the rut has passed by. And I'm
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: not sure what the opening day of firearm season is
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: in Iowa, but let's say it's the day before the opener.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: For me here in Michigan, the day before the opening
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: day guns season is like my last hurrah because there's
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: a significant chance he you could get killed on opening
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: day because so many more hunters come out there. So
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: I always look at that last day as like a
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: swing for the fence, this kind of day. What's that
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: look like for you on the day before gun season. Well,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: in Iowa, that's generally sometime the first week of December,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: so the ruts already come and gone, and we've we've
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: got to hunt the full rut picture. So I'm generally
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: off of him, been waiting for food source movement in Iowa.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: In Missouri, which I think is closer to the scenario
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: painting is generally happens sometime in mid November somewhere in there.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna hunt hard all the way up
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: up until that point. I'm gonna do all day sits
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: at the weather, you know, is permitting, and I'm gonna,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: you know, if it's that time of the year where
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: I'm in their bedroom and trying to find something on
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: a dough somewhere, it's a tougher time of the year,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: not just because rifle seasons approaching, but because they're all
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: doughed up. Especially in Missouri, are are bucket dough ratios
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: and pretty rough shape. I mean, there's a lot of
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: doughs and and not as many bucks for them, so
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: we're trying to work on that and get it closer
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: to one to one. But I'm gonna be somewhere in
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: a bedroom hunting all day more than likely. Okay, all right, Mark,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I I wish that we could keep doing this, because
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: I've got a whole bunch of other random ones I
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: thought I could throw at you up. But I'm gonna
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: miss my dinner with the kids and my wife would
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: be happy about that. So we're gonna have to We're
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: gonna have to wrap this up with one last question.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: M Here's the here's the situation. I am hypothetically all powerful,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: and I control your hunting privileges, and I'm going to
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: take away your privileges for the next ten years. You
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: cannot hunt deer at all for the next ten years,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: unless unless you kill a five and a half year
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: old buck this year. But I'm only gonna give you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: one day to do it, and you have one single
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: stand location that you have to hunt that whole day.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: I'd like to tell me what day you're going to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: choose and describe this single best stand that you can
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: think of in as much detail as possible for this
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: very very high stakes hunt. Mmmm, that's a tough one.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: I probably pick November eight, and I would be somewhere
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: in a rut funnel that historically has been quite good
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: to me in the past. Um, So I'm gonna be
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: somewhere in cover. I'm gonna get in there an hour
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: before daylight, and I'm gonna sit, you know, until after
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: the sun sets, hopefully killing a deer. But I if
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: I had to gamble on one day, I would gamble
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: on Nomban day as if I had to pick it
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: right now, And I'm gonna be somewhere in fairly heavy
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: security cover. Can you describe your ideal heavy security cover
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: funnel and a little bit more detail. Is this like
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: typically a timber kind of funnel or do you really
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: like a brushy draw Um, just paint that picture a
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: little more if you can. Oh a brushy drawer, I
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: can see quite a ways and and be able to
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: manipulate a deer coming to me through a call. So
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to be somewhere where I can
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: see as well, because if you're trying to kill a
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: five year old, you want the ability to call that
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: deer just in case he's not dote up just yet.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm somewhere in heavy security that I can still
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: see if that makes sense? It does? It does? It
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: sounds like a good spot. Would it be on one
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: of your Iowa farms or your Missouri farms? Um, it'd
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: be and I will certainly, Yeah, for sure, it would
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: be an Iowa. And it's going to be somewhere somewhere
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: really good that historically I've I've had great luck in Okay,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm just gonna keep on adding a
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: little more here. Let's say you can either have a
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: grunt tube or rattling antlers, but not both. Which one
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: are you choosing? Okay? Yeah, because louder, you know, just
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: get a little bit further with him and I can
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: grow up with my mouth if I have to. Okay,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: that's a great point, all right, Um, I think that's
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna do it. Mark, you've passed the gauntlet. Um,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: we now know what Mark jury would do. I don't
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: know if I passed or not, but we we did
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: our best that we could hopefully wouldn't bore anybody to tears.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: I really I've never done that before. That was enjoyable.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you running me through it. Hey, you know,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: it's kind of fun for me just to think through
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: these different types of situations to see how people would
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: approach them. And I sometimes try to throw in situations
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with so I can sell officially get something
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  Speaker 1: out of it too in that regard. So you helped
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  Speaker 1: me out in a couple of things they're marketing. Uh
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  Speaker 1: why not? Yeah? Why not? Um? For folks that want
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  Speaker 1: to follow along with all the cool stuff you guys
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  Speaker 1: have got going, do you want to mention a few
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  Speaker 1: highlights of what people should do in the coming weeks
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  Speaker 1: and months to see what you got going? Absolutely. We
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  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about Deercast and our our app
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  Speaker 1: continues to grow and we continue to add features to it.
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  Speaker 1: This year, Um, you know there's deer Cast Track, Deercast
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  Speaker 1: custom We're gonna have an advanced social platform within the
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  Speaker 1: app this particular this coming fall. That's gonna be fun
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  Speaker 1: for everybody to get in there and enjoy and check
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  Speaker 1: it out at deercast dot com or you can go
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: to uh Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, check it out at at
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Drew Outdoors and you'll find us on any of those
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  Speaker 1: three including YouTube and check out all the content we've got,
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  Speaker 1: whether it be at deer Cast or any of those
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  Speaker 1: social platforms. I mean, we are loaded for bear with
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  Speaker 1: with uh content this year, probably more than we've ever had.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's really you know, I never dreamed when we
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  Speaker 1: first started this that we would ever see a day
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  Speaker 1: where we're touching the amount of eyeballs or ears in
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  Speaker 1: this case as we do right now. But it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a fun time in our space, and it's it's fun
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  Speaker 1: to try and be in that that lane where we
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  Speaker 1: educate because we're always trying to help other people become
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: better hunters. That's one of the reasons we did deer Cast,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been very well received across the hunting nation
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: out there, so we're we appreciate anybody that's ever downloaded it.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: You have, if you haven't, give it a look and
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: give it a try. There's a free version, a version
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  Speaker 1: for ten bucks a year, in a version of twenty
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  Speaker 1: bucks a year, and they're they're loaded loaded with lots
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  Speaker 1: of features. Yeah, I'll just personally attest to it as well.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a lot of really cool stuff and I'm
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  Speaker 1: certainly enjoying it. And I'll tell you what Mark I'll
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  Speaker 1: be logging on there on November eight to see if
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  Speaker 1: you tag that buck Well. I'm not gonna actually do
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  Speaker 1: only one day, I told us the only day. I'm
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  Speaker 1: hoping to have that dear Dad in the month of October.
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  Speaker 1: And be honest with you, he's daylighted a few times,
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  Speaker 1: so I think the opportunity could be there if he's
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  Speaker 1: if he's still alive and still around and something hasn't
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  Speaker 1: have goofed goofed us up, I think we got a
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  Speaker 1: shot adding in October. I really do, really I hope
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  Speaker 1: it happens for your Mark in history would point to
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  Speaker 1: that dear being in serious trouble based off your track record.
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  Speaker 1: So good luck out there. I appreciate it. Good luck
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  Speaker 1: to you, man, I appreciate the time. Hey, thanks Mark,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a rap. Thank you all for listening. Hope
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  Speaker 1: you enjoyed this one. I definitely got a lot from it.
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  Speaker 1: Best of luck to all of you guys. If you're
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: out there scouting or preparing for the upcoming season, or
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: maybe you're listening to this during the season and you're
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: out there hunting. If that's the case, good luck, shoot straight,
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  Speaker 1: have fun, and until next time, stay wired. To hunt,