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The Occult Rejects: PTK 2 · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Baby, I'm a gangstera too. It takes a little tangle.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to mess with me?
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  Speaker 3: Mess with me?
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  Speaker 1: Baby a gangster too, Baby, you're a Gangstatoo.
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  Speaker 4: For good warnings, this podcast is designed to take you
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  Speaker 4: outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality.
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  Speaker 5: Listening Discretion is a vibe.
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  Speaker 3: What the fellas?
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  Speaker 2: This ain't my first time at the.
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  Speaker 6: Rodeo On Thursday night, we got a party going on
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  Speaker 6: over here through Go rejects.
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  Speaker 5: We got a bunch of people.
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  Speaker 7: We got the mad Scientists herself, Lisa. We got my
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  Speaker 7: favorite garbage can do jj Vance. We got my boy Thrash,
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  Speaker 7: we got the spiritual gangster herself, the Catholics last Nastic Theresa,
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  Speaker 7: and we also got uh. We got my boy magic Mike,
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  Speaker 7: you know we can't forget him. And we got the
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  Speaker 7: one and only headless Giant with us. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 7: have all of them introduced themselves because there was way
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  Speaker 7: too many people here. If you want to get in
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  Speaker 7: touch with them or find their stuff, I'm sure their
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  Speaker 7: links are in the bottom. If not, I will edit
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  Speaker 7: after the fact. But tonight we do have back Julia
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  Speaker 7: from Cosmic Peach podcast. We're doing part two to Program
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  Speaker 7: to Kill. Just due to how it went last week.
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  Speaker 7: I'm taking this down probably after the live so if
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  Speaker 7: you're catching it now, good for you. I may not
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  Speaker 7: be up too long after the fact. Yes, we got
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  Speaker 7: a strike last week, so we don't want that to
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  Speaker 7: happen again. But Julia, thank you so much for coming back.
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  Speaker 7: We had a blest on the first episode. You know,
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  Speaker 7: we really had a good time and just a lot
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  Speaker 7: of a lot of stuff in a short amount of time.
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  Speaker 7: And just you know, I'd be totally honest. It's even
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  Speaker 7: on your own series. I think it's packed with information
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  Speaker 7: and packed with stuff, so you alone, you know, I
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  Speaker 7: thought it was just great, but you know, bringing it
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  Speaker 7: to the occult Rejex, you know it was. It was
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  Speaker 7: awesome to have you have all of us get in
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  Speaker 7: on it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, for real, was a great time. Actually I
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  Speaker 3: had a great time.
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  Speaker 7: Hell yeah, hell yeah yeah. And for real, for people
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  Speaker 7: who you know may not have heard it, go check
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  Speaker 7: out her Program to Kill series. It's definitely definitely very
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  Speaker 7: packed with information. I mean it'll even be making you
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  Speaker 7: laugh in some ways. I mean she had me cracking
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  Speaker 7: up on episode two, but it was it was actually
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  Speaker 7: a lot of info and it will say the music
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  Speaker 7: in the background is very well done. I was impressed,
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  Speaker 7: so yeah, I was like, wow, this is pretty cool.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, so go check out the show. It's it's
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  Speaker 7: impressive stuff. But again, just in case all the new
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  Speaker 7: you know, the new listeners or whatever, may not know
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  Speaker 7: who you are, Juliet, kind of give people an idea
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  Speaker 7: about like what you do your podcast and where they
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  Speaker 7: can find all your amazing work. Please.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much.
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  Speaker 8: So, like you said, I have Cosmic Peach podcasts. You
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  Speaker 8: could probably just throw it up into Google and find
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  Speaker 8: it somewhere where you listen to podcasts, Spotify, Apple, wherever.
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  Speaker 8: I don't have YouTube because it's like you said earlier,
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  Speaker 8: fuck them and they're always.
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  Speaker 3: Taking down my good shit.
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  Speaker 8: And I just kind of like, when I when I
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  Speaker 8: get to start recording something, I don't want to have
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  Speaker 8: to censor myself or leave very important information out. So
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  Speaker 8: I just took myself off YouTube eventually because I just
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  Speaker 8: wanted to be able to record and say the things
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  Speaker 8: that I wanted to say. And luckily Apple and Spotify,
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  Speaker 8: maybe you know, they're they're less censored, I guess, but
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  Speaker 8: I haven't gotten penalized or anything for posting shit over there.
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  Speaker 8: So and I do have a Patreon for bonus content
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  Speaker 8: and early access for all my episodes and stuff. And
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  Speaker 8: I actually just did a bonus episode with Colby from
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  Speaker 8: Conspiracy playt Time about Jeffrey dot and that's actually a
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  Speaker 8: really good episode. I'm going to touch on a few
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  Speaker 8: of the things that we covered in that episode today,
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  Speaker 8: so I'm really excited. But yeah, that's where you can
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  Speaker 8: find me. And we were kind of talking before we
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  Speaker 8: started recording, but I think the last time we all
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  Speaker 8: got together was banging. It was it was, you know,
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  Speaker 8: a group effort and everybody was kind of contributing shit
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  Speaker 8: and I loved it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a lot of fun. And I'm expecting
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  Speaker 7: this one will be good. And I'm sure, you know,
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  Speaker 7: sneak Peek, I am hoping to make it work that
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  Speaker 7: her and Kolbe will be coming back on hoping with
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  Speaker 7: this whole crew too if they want to cover Loyl canyons.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm expecting that to be exciting and fun and informational.
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  Speaker 7: Oh but yeah, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 3: I did about that too, you know.
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  Speaker 8: The I don't know if I mentioned maybe I did,
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  Speaker 8: but the Laurel Canyon Book and Program to Kill are
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  Speaker 8: written by the same guy, Dave McGowan. So I mean,
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  Speaker 8: if you love one, you're gonna love the other as
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  Speaker 8: well because it's just super well done research and shit
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  Speaker 8: that nobody really talks about.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess people talk about Laurel O.
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  Speaker 8: Kenyon stuff more now than they used to, but I mean,
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  Speaker 8: really people just focus on like Jim Morrison and shit
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  Speaker 8: like like that. That's the big one person they know
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  Speaker 8: that has like CIA connections.
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  Speaker 5: Nice.
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  Speaker 7: You know one thing you said before too, which is
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  Speaker 7: you know, I I'm glad that you say that that
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  Speaker 7: you know you don't mess with YouTube because you're not
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  Speaker 7: going to sensor yourself. It's unfortunate that that episode you know,
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  Speaker 7: this isn't going to drop on YouTube because I'm not
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  Speaker 7: gonna edit it.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, So like I'm still dropping it.
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  Speaker 7: It's just it's unfortunate that, you know, YouTube is like that,
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to be able to put it on there.
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  Speaker 6: But good for you. I'm glad you don't.
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  Speaker 7: You know, you don't sensor your stuff due to a platform,
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  Speaker 7: because some people will do that.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it's worth it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's not worth it to me.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, the Program to Kill series that's available
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  Speaker 8: on my show is just part of like several mini
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  Speaker 8: series I did. The first one was called The Pedophocracy,
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  Speaker 8: and then the second one was called Uncle Sam Wants
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  Speaker 8: Your Children. YouTube would have probably taken that down just
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  Speaker 8: by the fucking name of it, and then the third
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  Speaker 8: one was Programmed to Kill. In the very last series
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  Speaker 8: that I did with Colby is called blood Ties, and
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  Speaker 8: it's all about, uh, like the superstars as they call them,
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  Speaker 8: Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer and
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  Speaker 8: those are the serial killers that they referred to as
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  Speaker 8: the Superstars. But in Program to Kill, I kind of
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  Speaker 8: touched on some serial killers that have kind of gone
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  Speaker 8: under the radar, and actually some of them I don't
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  Speaker 8: even I think they just got like a bunch of
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  Speaker 8: shit pinned on them that they didn't even really do.
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  Speaker 3: So it's it's crazy to me. And it's if you
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  Speaker 3: look at how some.
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  Speaker 8: Of these serial killers are operating, it's just like the
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  Speaker 8: fucking CIA, fucking Weapons of Opportunity, fucking you know what
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  Speaker 8: I'm saying. They're literally following a program and it's it's
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  Speaker 8: like Henry Lee Lucas.
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  Speaker 3: Did we talk about him in the last episode? I forget.
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  Speaker 3: I think we might have briefly touched on him. We
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  Speaker 3: brought him up, We brought so are you guys familiar
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  Speaker 3: with this This guy?
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  Speaker 8: He's got like periodontal disease and ship he's got like
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  Speaker 8: one straight tooth in the front.
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  Speaker 3: Never seen this guy.
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  Speaker 6: I love how that becomes a fact one of his
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  Speaker 6: like you know.
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  Speaker 8: Facts, Oha Reesa.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, dude, do share screen right now. I'd
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  Speaker 3: pull up a fucking picture of him because it's just
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  Speaker 3: like one long tooth in the brazing.
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  Speaker 7: Is there a thing with like mk ultra people like
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  Speaker 7: being twisted? Because like it was a it was an
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  Speaker 7: mk ultra doctor thrash, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't.
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  Speaker 7: One of the guys we cover had like a bum
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  Speaker 7: leg or a bum arm, and another guy had to
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  Speaker 7: screw it up legas.
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  Speaker 6: It's like, what's up with everybody being deformed and screw.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah deformed?
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  Speaker 2: I think Alan Dolas had a bum leg and.
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  Speaker 6: Uh there was somebody who worked with him that I think, uh.
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  Speaker 2: Got what's his name?
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  Speaker 5: Got leave? Yeah, I got leave.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how they bonded because they both had like.
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  Speaker 3: Like screwed up, so they were both like they had
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  Speaker 3: they looked like Lieutenant Dan or what.
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  Speaker 2: They had.
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  Speaker 8: Ship.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, not all of them are deformed.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 8: Some people like to say, like Ted Bundy was a
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  Speaker 8: good looking guy. I mean, so it's like they don't
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  Speaker 8: really care what you look like or obviously because Henry
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  Speaker 8: Lee Lucas looks like a straight up crackhead.
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  Speaker 5: But he.
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  Speaker 8: Got a Netflix series dedicated to him, called The Confession Killer,
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  Speaker 8: and that's the first time that I had ever heard
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  Speaker 8: of him is because it was real sensationalized and everyone
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  Speaker 8: everyone was posting like reels and shit on Instagram about oh,
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  Speaker 8: the Confession Killer, and essentially they kind of made fun
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  Speaker 8: of him, like if we got him a chicken nugget
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  Speaker 8: meal and a strawberry shake, he would just start confessing
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  Speaker 8: to any any open case, cold case file that they
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  Speaker 8: would put in front of him. And by the end
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  Speaker 8: of it, I think they said he killed like, I
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  Speaker 8: don't know, one hundred and twenty seven to two hundred people,
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  Speaker 8: and some of it didn't even make sense because he
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  Speaker 8: would have had it been in two places at one time.
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  Speaker 8: But what struck me as interesting is he knew intimate
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  Speaker 8: details about the crime scenes that he in, the murders
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  Speaker 8: that he was confessing to that he shouldn't know. That
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  Speaker 8: was never mainstream knowledge. So let's say he didn't do
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  Speaker 8: these murders, but he was getting convicted for them anyways,
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  Speaker 8: because he's confessing to them. Somebody is feeding him in
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  Speaker 8: in somebody is telling him information about these crime scenes
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  Speaker 8: that he couldn't possibly know, So when he confesses, it
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  Speaker 8: almost sounds like it's probable that he could have done it,
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  Speaker 8: because how else would he know that. And then later
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  Speaker 8: on in life, he writes a book called The Hand
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  Speaker 8: of Death Cult or something like that, or maybe it's
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  Speaker 8: called just called the Hand of Death, and he's talking
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  Speaker 8: about like getting recruited by secret military type I don't know,
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  Speaker 8: it's like a program and they're training serial killers and
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  Speaker 8: he talks about this. He talks about some kind of
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  Speaker 8: Hand of Death cult that was in charge of this shit.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, his mom used to dress him up
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  Speaker 8: like a girl when he was a kid. And it
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  Speaker 8: ends up being like kind of multi generational with him
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  Speaker 8: and his killing partner Otis Tool. They both kind of
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  Speaker 8: had like multi generational trauma in their family of like
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  Speaker 8: dressing the boys.
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  Speaker 3: Up like girls.
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  Speaker 8: And I think one of their grandmas was like a
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  Speaker 8: Satanist or something like that, either Otis or Henry, I
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  Speaker 8: can't remember now. But they always killed with weapons of opportunity,
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  Speaker 8: just like the CIA handout she would tell you to do.
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  Speaker 8: It was never the same way. It wasn't like it
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  Speaker 8: wasn't like Ted Bundy where they were always strangled and bludgeoned,
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  Speaker 8: or you know Jeff Dahmer, he fucking made pull pork
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  Speaker 8: sandwiches out of everybody. It was different every single time.
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  Speaker 8: Some would be stabbing, some would be shooting, some would
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  Speaker 8: get smothered, some would get decapitated.
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  Speaker 3: Like, it was never the same.
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  Speaker 8: And if you start looking at people like Richard Ramirez,
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  Speaker 8: who also killed with weapons of opportunity, it's just starts
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  Speaker 8: to kind of make a little bit more sense. It's
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  Speaker 8: like you always say, Nick, you can't separate government programs
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  Speaker 8: and ritualistic programs. I think they're one and the same.
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  Speaker 8: And so when you say something is like, oh, well
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  Speaker 8: they're programmed to kill, they're part of like the CIA
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  Speaker 8: or something like that, and they're all Satanists. I think
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  Speaker 8: those two things can be synonymous. I don't know about
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  Speaker 8: you guys.
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  Speaker 9: So well, if you think about it, all the professional
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  Speaker 9: killers working for the government have to do some kind
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  Speaker 9: of ritual to get into that mindset in the first place.
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  Speaker 9: So you know, the idea that there would be ritual
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  Speaker 9: killers out there sort of doing the same thing, whether
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  Speaker 9: or not they're associated with the government, would definitely have
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  Speaker 9: that same sort of process.
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  Speaker 5: Mm.
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  Speaker 9: This goes way back. I mean you can you can
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  Speaker 9: look back at the pottery from the Mycenee and Greeks
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  Speaker 9: and you'll see, you know, as these two warriors are
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  Speaker 9: going out, you've got these two messengers for the king
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  Speaker 9: behind them that nobody's allowed to touch.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 9: And So to me, the first thing that popped up
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  Speaker 9: in my head is like, are these guys all programmed
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  Speaker 9: to kill? Is this what's going on here? Maybe never
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  Speaker 9: been what we think it is. Maybe it's always been
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  Speaker 9: this sort of ritual human sacrifice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't know if anybody else has anything to
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  Speaker 8: add about that, but I think we could go even
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  Speaker 8: to like one of my favorite occult serial killers, who
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  Speaker 8: I think I know who it is, but that's up
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  Speaker 8: for debate, would be Jack the Ripper. I think he
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  Speaker 8: was also a part of an occult society. I've done
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  Speaker 8: a lot of research into it, and I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 8: that Helena Lavotsky was was besties with this guy. He
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  Speaker 8: was a doctor, and he was into all these occult
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  Speaker 8: and they fucking had him as a consultant on the
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  Speaker 8: crime scenes.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, you know how serial killers have to go back.
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  Speaker 6: The originally fauci kind of Yeah, So this guy was
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  Speaker 6: in all.
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  Speaker 8: These occult circles and one of his besties was Helena Blovotsky,
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  Speaker 8: and fucking nobody puts those two pieces together.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody puts those two pieces together. His name was doctor Rick,
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  Speaker 3: doctor fucking fox Stick. I don't know what his last
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  Speaker 3: name was.
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  Speaker 2: It was something talking about Holmes, that guy.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, it's a weird last name.
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  Speaker 9: They just found genetic analysis published in January of twenty
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  Speaker 9: twenty five, which claims to have identified Jack the Ripper
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  Speaker 9: as Aaron Kosminsky.
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  Speaker 8: I don't believe it, and I don't believe they're DNA
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  Speaker 8: testing either. They could fucking test some DNA. There is
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  Speaker 8: no DNA from the They didn't collect any, and if
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  Speaker 8: they did, it's all fucking contaminated and shit. They were
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  Speaker 8: the second they rolled up on a dead body.
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  Speaker 3: They were all.
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  Speaker 8: Touching it and rolling it over, and shit, there's no
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  Speaker 8: way that they can get good DNA from from per victim.
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  Speaker 8: I will tell you though, I'm relentless, and when I
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  Speaker 8: get to start researching something, somebody find the name of
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  Speaker 8: that fucking doctor guy.
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  Speaker 7: Yo, you know what I wanted to say real quick,
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  Speaker 7: And I didn't find out until like a week or
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  Speaker 7: two ago, maybe the most you know, who else the
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  Speaker 7: croley actually came out and said was Jack the ripper?
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  Speaker 3: Helena? Yeah, yeah, she was. I think she liked behind it.
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  Speaker 6: She came and wrote it someway.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she was strong enough to do it herself.
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  Speaker 3: I think she had this this.
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  Speaker 8: I think his name was Dodgson or something. I could
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  Speaker 8: be wrong, but she she had this doctor guy doing it.
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  Speaker 8: And they said, whoever is doing this is probably a doctor.
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  Speaker 6: He said she was using it for a ritual to
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  Speaker 6: actually gain more like powers.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, I know if you look at it, if you
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  Speaker 10: look at some of the crime scene details or whatever
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  Speaker 10: the victims were bled out first, and if anybody who
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  Speaker 10: is familiar with field dressing animals, that's exactly what you
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  Speaker 10: do first, because you want a clean you know landscape
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  Speaker 10: or whatever to kind of know what you're collecting and
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  Speaker 10: know what you're dissecting out. And then also when they
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  Speaker 10: said that most of the stuff that were removed and
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  Speaker 10: it wasn't the same organ every single victim. Some had
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  Speaker 10: the heart, some had an intestine, some had a liver,
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  Speaker 10: some had a bladder. There was one where they removed
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  Speaker 10: the uterus, bladder, vaginal.
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  Speaker 3: Canal, Like, yes, see, what the fuck are they doing
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  Speaker 3: with that?
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  Speaker 10: And then the other thing is, and Nick and I
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  Speaker 10: were talking about this is that in almost all of
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  Speaker 10: the victims, the intestine was draped over the right side,
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  Speaker 10: and I was like, that means a guy was left
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  Speaker 10: handed whoever was doing. Whenever you're field dressing, and anybody
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  Speaker 10: chime in field dressing, if you're not hanging them upside
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  Speaker 10: down to where all of the intestine or viscera falls down,
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  Speaker 10: you have to kind of pull the actual intestine away
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  Speaker 10: so that you can see what you're doing. Because the
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  Speaker 10: moment that you nick the intestine, everything is damaged. You
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  Speaker 10: can't ever eat that meat or anything like that, So
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  Speaker 10: you want to move that completely away so that it's
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  Speaker 10: not in the way of anything. Nick and I were
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  Speaker 10: talking about the death. It was probably either harvesting organs,
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  Speaker 10: whether it's for ritual or for collecting of something or experiments,
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  Speaker 10: because there was a lot of rich people.
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  Speaker 8: There was a lot Well if you if you look
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  Speaker 8: at the victims where they were found and you connect
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  Speaker 8: them in the order that they were killed, it makes
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  Speaker 8: a big pentagram. So you tell me that it's just
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  Speaker 8: some random idiot out there just slashing and dashing people.
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  Speaker 3: They tried.
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: The Smithsonian came out with this article and they were
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: trying to pin it on this local butcher guy.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, well, he.
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: Lives so far away from the card fuck you and
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: anything the Smithsonian puts out I'm immediately skeptical of.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: And I think that it's all fucking fucked up narrative.
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: Anyways, I agree ud fuck the Smithsonian.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 17:49
  Speaker 10: I was saying, you know some of the do you
• 17:52
  Speaker 10: know where to get some of these autopsy records?
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: Do you the movie from Hell.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: They put They blame it on an a cold person too.
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: I actually went and I just started scouring pages of
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: fucking and you can find stuff thrash.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: What were you gonna say, man?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, I was just gonna mention like divination of organs
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: and stuff like how a lot of tribes will use
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: like pagan testings and stuff.
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: Thectorian era was chalk full of all of that, like
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: organ magic. They talked about it all the time. It
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: went hand in hand with all the surgical ship.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Let me see somebody take the wheel for a second.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I gotta find this doctor. Is it doctor Thomas Neil Cream? No,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: it was a weird last name. I'm telling you it was.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I did a whole tumble tea. You know what when
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I hear it as.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Trunk SAMSONI.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Are we talking about Jack the Ripper right now?
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Okay, so it wasn't. One of the victims.
• 19:02
  Speaker 11: Apparently was Alistair Crowley's maid or nanny who he lost
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: his virginity to. Really and how he got the nickname
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: the Beast. So that would be very important magically to
• 19:16
  Speaker 11: those guys to sacrifice her, you know what I mean?
• 19:20
  Speaker 11: Just another interesting time with that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: What would be her?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I wonder what her name was?
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Had a huge.
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: Robert don Ston Stevenson, that's his fuc name. There's some
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: motherfucker right there. You're looking at Jack the fucking Ripper.
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: I'm telling you, guys, I'm telling you guys, that's that's.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Him right there. Be Yeah, he's got a handlebar mustache.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: He was friends with her, all right, and he was
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: a consultant on the murders.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: It's like a lot of murderers will go back and
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: revisit their crime scenes and they want to be a
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: part of it, and they want to like, uh you
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: know what they say, like get the the spotlight away
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: from them because it's like, oh, it couldn't be him.
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: He's helping out with the cakes, right right.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: But Mike was saying the Black Dolly guy, the George
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Hodell mm hmm, that guy too seems to be pretty.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I mean he's Laurel Canyon. Hodel is Laurel Kenyon.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And is a Mayan house Yeah yeah yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: And then his daughter, Hodell's daughter grows up and becomes
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: best friends with Michelle Phillips and he's and he was
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: incestuous with his kids, and fucking John Phillips was incestuous
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: with his kids. So it's like a big fucking cult
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: that they're in where they fuck kids. I'm sorry this
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: is going on YouTube, but ok, okay, but they fucked
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: their kids and they do this ship. They the the
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: Black Dolia was so reminiscent of the Ripper style of
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: killing and shit.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I mean those it's birds of a feather to.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Me, like like that was there's like dismembered body parts
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: basically in the paper.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: They get off on it. They get off on it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: Did I mention in the last episode, And I'm sure
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: we'll get into well, I am going to get into
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: it later, but one of the podestas, either John or
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: the fuck another one, Tony Tony. They have a one
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: of them has a golden Jeffrey Dahmer victim hanging in
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: there Tony.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Sculpture.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: So it's like it's like they're proud of this ship.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: They get off on this ship. Yeah, and it's because
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: it's home grown. And I'll kind of get into that
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: in a minute.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: It's because like, if you were gonna create this ultimate evil,
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: right and it personifies as someone like Jeffrey Dahmer, my god.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: You'd be you'd be.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: It's like having a straight A student or some shit like.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: That's that's the what they're going for. That's their goal,
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: is to have this horrible monster unleashed into the world.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's one of the superstars, you know that
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: they talk about. But one of the other ones that
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: I'm sure you guys might be familiar with some of
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: the stuff I'm going to go over though, is Manson.
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: He's a superstar. He'll always be a superstar. Everybody thinks
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: he's great. And and you know, even at the time,
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: he's Laurel Canyon too, the the guy from the Beach Boys.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: What's his name, Brian Dennis, Yeah, Dennis Wilson. He had
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he had Charles Manson and his all his.
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: Family members posted up in his house and was just
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: like paying for all their ship and was like, oh,
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: Charlie is great. And Neil Young I think was second
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: is dick left and right, I mean metaphorically and with
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: oh Charlie's great, Charlie's this and that, and he Neil
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: Young is one of the biggest fucking vaccine pushing I'll
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: take myself off Spotify.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Motherfucker's ever. It's you know, all this shit goes together,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: all this ship. You guys are laughing, I'm serious. He
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: said he was gonna take himself off Spotify. Like that's
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: gonna ruin somebody's days. I better go get jabbed right now.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Where Neil Young's gonna take his three good songs off.
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: Spotify, like, come on, I'll just on YouTube, right, But
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: it's like that it's the same people who are our
• 23:52
  Speaker 12: besties with Charles Manson and so me and Colby talked
• 23:56
  Speaker 12: about this in my new series Blood Ties, and and
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: I'm not one hundred percent sure that the Tate and
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: or the Lobyanka murders really went down how they say
• 24:07
  Speaker 12: they did.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of questions about it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: I think that Charlie was doing some MK ultra type
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: shit on this spawn movie Ranch.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I think that uh, Julia J I don't know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: Jj has a game he could play. It's six Degrees
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: of Charles Manson.
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: What my games and Operation GCD six Degrees of Charles Manson? Good?
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: What is it?
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: You can't just talk about it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: It's in place of, uh, you know, Kevin Bacon's game,
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. Are you familiar with this concept?
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: No?
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Not really?
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Oh wow, okay, there's a famous game that started in
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: the nineties. Kevin Bacon hates it. I incorporated a clip
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: of him asking for new Patsy in the game. So
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: it's my make a wish for Kevin Bacon. I find
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: a new Patsy Charles Manson.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: I mean a lot of the details you're talking about
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: surrounding Manson. The key concept that's often ever looked is
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: the processed church of the final judgment. When you're talking
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: about you know, the the tatans Planski's, they were ever
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: in rome with the process immediately preceding the murders.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Right right.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: I think that Roman Polanski definitely had more to do
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: it with it than he lets On, that's for sure.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Oh, for sure. There was definitely a whole Yeah, the
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: whole the public narrative is largely spawned by the DA's
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: office in Nucleiosi, who's uh, you know, been out at
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: every time as a you know, wizard of of pr basically,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: but not of justice.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: And I was just gonna say, drawing this all back in, uh,
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: Kevin Bacon was in Once upon a Time in Hollywood,
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: that Tarantino movie about the Manson burd So.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: Huh no, that's a good. Yeah, it's a good It
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: was a good kind of reimagination of the murders too.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: Right, okay, right, yeah, yeah, well, you know I thought
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: it was a good movie. I typically like Tarantino stuff. Yeah,
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: but Tarantino in and of himself defended Roman Polanski when he.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Raped that fucking thirteen year old right one hundred he did, Right.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: That's all it comes down.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: He definitely did. Yeah.
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: You know what Colby said, He was like, why do
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: all the creeps make all the good movies? I was like,
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: because that like goes with if you like something, if
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: something is massively popular, they're probably a fucking creep.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Like look at you know, Steven Spielberg and all that shit.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, the creepiest ones are the ones that make
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the best stuff.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: I think one thing that Tarantino did once upon a
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: time in Hollywood, as far as he did the whole
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: reimagination thing of the murders, but he did incorporate a
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: lot of the other manson like an alternative, you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: corollarly aspects to the storyline. For example, Bruce Lee, who
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: never gets mentioned within the whole narrative of that time.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: He was close friends with Sharon Tate and with Jay Sebring,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: one of the other victims, so he never he's included
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: in that movie. Tarantina did that on purpose because he
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: was part of that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that is true with what he's
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: getting at you really don't hear much about Bruce Ley
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: actually being like kind of connected to that whole crew.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of people that actually.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: There's a.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Lot of interesting gyms in there, like, for instance, like
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: when they're going into El Coyote.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I've said this before on an episode.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: I don't quite remember which one, but if you look
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: in the background at the movie theater, in the background,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: there's a pornography film, but it's the first pornography film
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: that was shown in movie theaters, and there's a like
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: a scene like where she Sharon Tate's going in and
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: she says, uh, something like like I didn't know they
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: showed newdi films at the premieres. And the key tie
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: in with that is that there the Mafia basically ran
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: the pornography ring in La. And it's kind of hinting
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: at that because they if you if you know who
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: actually funded that first film, it was to hold the
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Mafia of La which ties into the other victims, not
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the Tait victims, but the loon name, Yeah, the Lobbyancas.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, because he was like like a bookie and stuff
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: for the mob.
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: Yet you know he had like two hundred and fifty
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: thousand dollars unpaid, like gambling debts. And then they say
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: they say, oh he was he was a random target.
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: There was no connection, There was no when you rhyme
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: or reason for why the Lobbyanca's got it. And then
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: you really start looking at that guy. I think his
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: name was Leno Lino Lobbyon, and he was a shady ship.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And they do that shit. They mix some some.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: They mix some random shit with some on purpose shit
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: to throw you off because like, nobody's going to go
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: dig in and find out this guy's got mob ties
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: and he's got two hundred and fifty thousand in gambling debts.
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: Nobody's looking into that, but he did, and then he
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: ended up fucking dead as shit with his whole family.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: So and then it's like I said before, I think
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: Roman Polanski had way more to do with Sharon than
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: he lets on.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I think he fucked off out of town.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: So again to deflect guilt, like, oh, I was out
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: of town, I have an alibi. I wasn't even in
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: the country when it happened. But you can usually look
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: at the husband when something like that goes down. Anyways,
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: did you.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Ever see the j Sebring documentary that came out like
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: was it five six years ago?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: No?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Was it like HBO or something.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: It was on Amazon. It's very interesting because it has
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: the apparently Sharon was going through a gonna divorce Polanski
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: and get back with Seabring and uh they even have
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: like the lawyer and the attorney on the documentary and everything.
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: Mm hmm.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: To reason you made that, Yeah, And that's another aspect
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: of Once upon a Time in Hollywood that they included
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: was the Steve McQueen at the pool party talking about
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: the love triangle between Roman Sea Bring and Sharon Tate
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: because again part of the manson Lord that that Tarantino incorporated.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Steve McQueen was supposed to be there that night and
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: apparently stopped at a gas station on the way over
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: to the Tate Polanski house and met some met himself
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: a nice lady for the evening.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And McQueen supposedly after the murders went there, went to
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Sea Brings and got rid of a lot of the
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: like cocaine and stuff he was selling.
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: Sure, sure, well, and you know Jay se Bring was
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: tight with Jim Morrison. He's the one who gave him
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: that famous haircut.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: So I mean They're right, they're all connected to each other.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: And they're also was.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: A scientologist too as well. Again, these scientology process connections
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: go throughout the whole that whole social circle of folks
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: in Laurel Canyon.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: Dude, when we cover the Laurel can I hope you
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: guys join us for that episode because I'll all go
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: through the whole fucking list of them. I mean, Dave
• 31:36
  Speaker 8: McGowan does such a great job connecting the dots with
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: some of that stuff.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Who's friends with who? And like these murders and shit,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: and you know, Charles.
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: Manson definitely uh goes Laurel Canyon and Program to Kill
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: He's in both books because it's it's like I said before,
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: you can't ever take something like the Tate murders and
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: the lobby on this stuff at faiths value. Oh he
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: was just a crazy guy and he brainwashed these people
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: and they went and did this stuff that is absolutely.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Not what happened.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: But and then to go as far as like this
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: wastika and all that, I mean, that's just like throwing
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: you off this scent even more. Oh, we'll just make
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: him carve a swatika in his head.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: And do all this stuff.
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: They want you so badly to believe that this mainstream
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: narrative where there's just crazy people out there that'll just
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: come to your house and just kill you for no
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: reason and everybody should be terrified. They love doing that
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: to people. So, I mean, I think the serial killer
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: was kind of born in the nineteen sixties. I think
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: just like the counter movement. I think it was almost
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: like a five layer of burrito. They had like all
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: these different programs running at the same time. They had
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: the serial killer program, They had the fucking counterculture movement
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: going on, and they also had like women's like equality
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: stuff going on at the same time.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it really was a.
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: Time to be alive, for sure. It almost makes you
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: wonder how but how anybody made it fucking out alive
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: just just a quick.
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: Oh sorry, go ahead, Well it's gonna say in the
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: Vietnam War, I mean a lot of this stuff boils
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: down to the whole program to kill. The reason why
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: the cartoons were violent, why they had to start showing
• 33:30
  Speaker 11: movies where people were shooting each other, because in World
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: War Two, a lot of soldiers couldn't pull the.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Trigger, so it bottom up.
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: But the Vietnam War, is why a lot of these
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: ops I think were going on.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, and the fucking Phoenix program.
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and a lot of these murders. There was like
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: three serial killers in the same area.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: M h.
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: I mean, so there is some sort of program going on.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's so obvious that all these serial killers
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: are magically coming out of this one.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: City saturated for sure, right in like one geographical region.
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: I was actually gonna get to another one that came out,
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: but Teresa, you go first.
• 34:11
  Speaker 14: Oh yeah, so I think Actually a long time ago,
• 34:14
  Speaker 14: when I was researching for an episode that we did
• 34:17
  Speaker 14: with Kolby, Me and Nick and Kolby did an episode
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: on Elon Musk and his mom, May Musk and her
• 34:23
  Speaker 14: twin K were friends with Charles Manson. This is a rumor,
• 34:28
  Speaker 14: of course, but like an interesting one nonetheless. And that
• 34:32
  Speaker 14: Kay apparently there's a record of her visiting him in prison.
• 34:36
  Speaker 14: They gave him like TVs and like other luxuries. May
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: Musk apparently appears in the Helter's Helter book like a
• 34:43
  Speaker 14: photo of her.
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: Oh my god, Oh that's a weird These fucking assholes.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I sit theirst edition she's in in the first Okay,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the first edition.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I think, Okay, there's like she's in there.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's fucked up, right, he so fucked yeah. I
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: mean That's what I'm saying though, is like all these
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: people who are like like the Beach Boy guy.
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: And Neil Young and fucking apparently Elon Musk's mom, right,
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Like they're all they're all.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Friends with this guy and they all used to like
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: sing his praises and ship.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Nicholson, Dennis Hopper, yep, j guys.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: There lady from Mamas and Papa's mama.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: John Phillips was noted on an I n S document
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: is funding the Process church's activities in Los Angeles. So
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: and Mama cast had to run in some scientology in
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: the process as well. So again you're talking about the
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: same kind of threughput with these cults. And I think
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: these cults operate some of that mind control stuff in
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: the program to kill aspects not just man. Somebody also
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: got Sirhan Sirhan old double Sirhan was noted as well,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: And investigatory documents is attending AE and English sex cults
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: or English sex magic rituals which they refer to the process,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: and that in that statement.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's like.
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: What Henry Lee Lucas was saying. He was trained by
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: a cult that worked with the government to produce these
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: mind controlled killers. And I don't know how much you
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: guys know about Zodiac or how much we talked about
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: Zodiac in the last episode, but that's another one that
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: came out of San Francisco, uh, kind of near the
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: Presidio area, kind of near fucking the Michael Achino stuff.
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: And that's why I think personally he could have been
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: one of many Zodiac killers. I do believe that there
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: were many killers. I don't think that it was just
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: one guy. And the fact that they always get like
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: this Bitch and Moniker. After that, like maybe two people
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: die and all of a sudden you got like a
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: guy with this Bitch and the Zodia Act, the Green
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: River Killer, the you know, Jack, the Ripper, like all
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: these names. It gives it like a sensationalism, and it
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: gives them almost like a celebrity status.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: And then you have.
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: People getting these codes that are sent in by the
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: Zodiac and they're obsessing over them, trying to crack these
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: codes and shit, and the motherfucker showed up to one
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: of the murders with the full asked costume on full
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: ass apron with a big Zodiac sigil on it and sunglasses,
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: and none of the other survivors talk about a guy
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: in a full blown like batman suit coming to murder you,
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: and then you know, they give him it, Oh, it's
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: the Zodiac, and then he addresses.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Himself as Zodiac.
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: So I think it was just many people working in
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: tandem doing this shit and they just put one bad
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: guy as like the main focus who has never caught.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: But there's always like military boot prints that show up
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: at all the crime scenes with the Zodiac. The taxi
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: driver that was shot near the Presidio Hides area, there
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: were like three kids that called the police and gave
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: an identification of the man that they saw fleing the
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: crime scene. And instead of giving the police that description,
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: they said, look for a black guy. And that's not
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: even the fucking that's not even what the fucking kids said.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: They said they saw a tall white guy with the
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: group cut, haircut with boots on fleeing the scene. They
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: and then they told the police officers look for a
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: for an armed black man and gave gave him gave
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: the real Zodiac. Whoever, it was time to fucking make
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: his head away. So I think that these guys are
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: protected from on high. I think that they don't want
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: to be caught. They don't want anybody to catch these guys,
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: and it like just terrifies people. But I don't know
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: what you guys think about the multiple assailants for the Zodiac,
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: but I definitely think it was multiple assailants.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Oh for.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Again, the George Hodell, his son claims that it was him,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Like he's, oh my god, that wouldn't that be a
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: fucking twist.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: He claims that like in.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Like when they stopped that he moved back to he
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: like moved to like Indonesia or the Philippines. Oh shit, yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: and he was like an old man then and he
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: married like a Filipino wife after he left San Francisco.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: But you know it's I think maybe let's just say
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: George Hodell was one and Michael Aquino was one. And
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: I think that you know, when you look at possible
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: suspects for the Zodiac, you'll find like these huge long
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: lists and all the reasons that they give are pretty credible, Like, okay,
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: that makes sense that person could be the Zodiac. And
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: and what I'm trying to say is maybe all of
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: them were the Zodiac for all we know, Like maybe
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: they were all there.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Was a group of people doing this shit and.
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: Something else weird about Well, I'm sure did you guys
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: watch the movie.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: With Robert Downey Junior.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Sure you did.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I like David Fincher. Yeah, I thought it was a
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: great movie.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: But it's all based on one book. So I think
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: that's what a lot of the people's problems are because
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: it's based in that one book.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they try to put everything on the fat
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: guy that works at.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: The factory, right and again, So there's a lot of
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: interesting aspects I've ever looked on in that story about
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: my manner jactrial quick relative to specifically framing other people.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: So the Edward Wayne Edwards factor is often over, is
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: often ignored. I agree with you. It's definitely a team
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: of Satanists. The letters. There's there's overt references to corolisms
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: and delima in in the letters in the Zodiac letters
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: that people. No one wants to address that aspect. Oby,
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: I'm not even that schooled.
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: Until glad you said. I'm glad you said that I.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Can see the letters. It's pretty obvious. Well, if I
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: traded a kindergartener how to recroley, they would identify the
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: same the same characteristics in these letters. That's how that's
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: how I find it. How obvious it is.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm one hundred.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: I think it just due to the one time.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, JJ said it as a joke, but I mean,
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: in all honesty, I think it does look a little
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: bit like the Zodiac Killer's hood. I mean, I have
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: a hood to the Astroch. I mean, I've posted it
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: and and it's very much like the hood that the
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: Zodiac Killer showed up with, and and it's it's I've seen,
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: especially people like Thebamites. But it is a type of
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: like jewelry and stuff I've seen people wear a lot.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: They'll wear that circle with an X in it, which
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: does kind of look like a crosshir. And it's the
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: symbol of Malkouth. Now when you're starting to screw around
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: with the Cabbala. So in my opinion, that guy's outfit
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: could literally have been somebody who my opinion, might be
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: into the limic stuff. I could easily turn my hood
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: inside out and looked like the zodiacular.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: One of the things I liked about in the movie
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: from Hell is that they incorporated a lot of that
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: Kabbala Masonic symbolism, Like some of that ship wasn't seen
• 42:12
  Speaker 9: on film before that time, and they just went they
• 42:14
  Speaker 9: went hard with all the rituals.
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: But I think that's like really real. I think that
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: like the Zodiac and shit, I think that's the real ship.
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: There's so much of the boss over between the actions
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: of these different groups. They just do the same things.
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: Go ahead.
• 42:32
  Speaker 11: Well, the codes and the ciphers in that, and the
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: symbols and the fact that it's everything's done by the
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: stars in the zodiac that's very Saturnian too. And then
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: there's inner orders of some of these Saturnian lodges called
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: the Fogg Lodges, and their.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Whole thing is human sacrifice. Yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: And and this is old school of.
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: Black German magic, and it's all about the stars and
• 42:58
  Speaker 11: it's all about Zodiac and so and they wear black
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: hoods too, So I mean it could be possible. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: haven't looked into it that much, but I mean it's
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: seiphered like that. It's the symbols are similar well.
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: And they leave a lot of details out when they
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: make movies about the Zodiac and even documentaries they make,
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: and just I just have to address a comment that
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: popped up about Satanists having great eyebrows. I'm like the
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: least Satanist of all of us because I don't fucking
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: have any.
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: So they said, yeah, he used to like gel his
• 43:37
  Speaker 15: ship up like that, kind of like yeah, yeah, but.
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: Like okay, so let me let me just give you
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: some info on the first The first is what they
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: call it Zodiac victim. It was a girl named Darlene,
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: and then the guy ow what was his name, Michael
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: Majoe I'm.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Pretty sure was his last name.
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: And so Darlene was telling her friends a couple of
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: weeks before she was murdered that she was receiving like
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: packages from someone but wouldn't say who it was from,
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: and that she had an ex husband that was weird
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: and was in Mexico or something, and maybe he had
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: killed somebody. And she was telling, yeah, there you go,
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: look at that shit. Yeah, fucking Kino's eyebrows. But so
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: all this stuff was going down and she was telling
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: her friends about it, like I have an ex husband
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: that maybe killed somebody, and I'm getting packages in the
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: mail and.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Stuff like this.
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: And the mainstream narrative is that Darlene went to go
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: pick up this mic guy and that they were going
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: to go to a lover's lane situation and like make out.
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: But what's weird is the front door to Michael Majo's
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: house was left wide open. All the life in his
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: house were on It looked like he had left in
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: a hurry. Darlene's talking about getting mysterious packages from her
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: ex husband or somebody, and that she's worried about.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: It, and then she ends up dead. And like, I mean,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I can't even believe the one guy he shot.
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: Both of them like eight times or ten times or
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: something like that, and the one guy lived.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: But I mean, it's just like the Darlene murder seemed like.
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: She knew her attacker and that she had almost kind
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: of like had a foreboding feeling that she was in danger.
• 45:40
  Speaker 8: So it doesn't fit the rest of the Zodiac killings
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: if they were all just random acts of violence.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: And I think that it was a group of Yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I think I think it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Was, And you know, I agree with you, but I
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: agree with you for sure. She she had direct connections
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: to the processed church in her Darlene did, Oh, yes,
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: her husband Jim Phillips Crabtree, the guy who referred to
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: as her ex husband, there were quasi domestic married.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Right right, right right?
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So we were living down the head in
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Ashbury and they had they had processed church connections and
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: that address book that she had on her person and
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: it was long. I think my kind of take on
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: the HITD is she was able to identify the people
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: in that it was actually Jim Phillips Crabtree's book, her
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: quote unquote ex husband, his his his address book, and
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: he's a very spooky figure.
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: What do you think about the Zodiac being kind of
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: like the son of Sam because, like he told he
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: admitted to some of the ship, but then he said,
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: there are other people working with me that they never
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: went and looked.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: For sure, I feel like Zodiac.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: I know, I think that's exactly what's going on for sure. Yeah,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: so I think that that. Ever, when Edward's guy, I
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: look at him as a referenced to like this this
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: hand of death cult that you ways that Henry Lee
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Lucas was talking about. I look at everyone Edwards as
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: actually being like a general in that handed death cult
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: and a lot of the a lot of the crimes
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: that Lucas and o'tool and tool were taken, Tool were
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: taken taking credit for. We're actually crimes that everyone Edwards
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: was personally involved in, and at the same time they're
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: taking credit for it. He's making parole on some arson
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: charges where in those arson charges he actually they found
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: a Marietta, Georgia police police uniform in this house of
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: Pennsylvania he burned down for insurance fraud that he went
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: to prison for there, but he had infiltrated. Speaking of
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: these folks, going into back to the crime scene, he
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: infiltrated the Atlanta child killing his task force, faking to
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: be a Marietta police sergeant. So he's very likely in
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: in the Zodiac killer team. For example. Uh so, uh,
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: there was a Blue Rock Springs Park Park murder. I
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: believe that was December of sixty eight and then julyact
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: the one.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Where he showed up in the costume.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: No, so that was a that was the first one.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Was the lover was our Lover's Lane one much like
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: the Darlene and Michael Majoe one. So, and everyone Edwards
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: is actually confirmed. So, out of all these suspects for
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: the Zodiac, the only person that's confirmed has committed numerous
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: lovers lane murders and the exact fashion of the Zodiac
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: and numerous states over multiple decades. In fact, is Edward
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Winn Edwards. No one else on that suspect list is
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: ever confirmed murder of any regard and especially the exact
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: same memo involved in the Zodiac killings. In addition to that,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: the third crime scene there at it's Lake barry Essa
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: with the ball, that's the hood, that's the cost one. Yeah,
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: that's the middle of the day. That's that's that's the
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: later in the afternoon, so it's daylight hours. That's the
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: only one in daylight hours. But all the details that
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: the costumed killer gives to the to the victims, right,
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: those all those details were details of Edward Winn Everard's life.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: So that was that was nineteen sixty nine. All those
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: details that he had given the victims of that day
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: was nineteen fifty nine. They occurred, he broke out of
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Montana prison, he murdered a prison guard, he went on
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: the run to Mexico. He was you know, this is
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: that all did occur in everyone ever's life. But that
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: was nineteen fifty nine, and that's what made him the
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: number one most wanted person on the FBI's most Wanted lists.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: The young all right, all right, so that makes a
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: ton of say.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Zybolical mm hmm.
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: Well, I have to say, let's just say he's one
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: of them, right, and there is like others that have
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: not been identified. I have to say, like, and I'm
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: not saying my favorite because I love fucking serial killers
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: or something like that, but if I was gonna pick
• 49:35
  Speaker 8: a favorite serial killer, it's definitely not Zodiac.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, the motherfucker is sloppy. He leaves people alive.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: He doesn't even all the way kill people. He had
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: two survivors. If you're gonna be a badass serial killer
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: and put a fucking hood on your head and do
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: all this codes and shit, at least kill your victims.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Like he's not even good at it. He's like, this
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: was a very serial killer every yeah.
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: So, but they have to keep like this narrative of
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: the serial killer going because like, as Zodiacs started to
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: fade out, ted Bundy was actually on a plane flying
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: to San Francisco, where the Zodiac murders were going down.
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: Nobody knows why he was going there. But as soon
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: as he gets back to Seattle, he starts ripping through
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: and uh, fucking killing all these bitches all over Seattle.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: So what do you think? What you guys are laughing?
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: And it's the damn truth. It's like, what was he
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: doing in San Francisco?
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Can I bring up a plane that I keep thinking about?
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: It's okay, so you brought up earlier like you feel
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: like the serial killer thing was kind of like created
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: around the sixties and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: I really feel like Michael Aquino has some some weird stuff.
• 50:59
  Speaker 9: Dude.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: I said that.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I said that for the longest, Like.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: Mike has pointed out, like with the other episodes we've done,
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: like the psy Ops and cy War and all that.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: And again that Ghost in the Machine video on YouTube,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: go ahead and watch it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Does it talk about a Quino?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: No, But he basically created that whole.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Mind war.
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: This is in full effect now we're seeing it, full
• 51:30
  Speaker 11: side war on all levels.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Sure, he started his whole thing right there in Vietnam,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: right there, and then he was writing a lot of
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: the rituals for the Satanic Church and then yeah, that
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: temple is set.
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: Do you know what the Alice in Wonderland technique.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Is about, like like disassociating the kids and ship, Well.
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: It's sort of like that. What you do is using NLP.
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: This was big in the Scientology Church. So el Ron
• 52:03
  Speaker 9: had all of his top operators learn how to repeat
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: nonsensical phrases and then follow it up with an anchoring
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: word like are we clear? So we're talking about these
• 52:14
  Speaker 9: guys who are using the E meter, using these techniques
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: to try and break down people's resistance to interrogation. So
• 52:24
  Speaker 9: if you look at all these different events, it's meant
• 52:26
  Speaker 9: to confuse and throw people off. It's just the beginning
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: part of that kind of Alice in Wonderland technique. And
• 52:35
  Speaker 9: so they got to follow it up with something to
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: try and get the population moving in a certain direction.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Man's piece less.
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: Well, I think that's why they do like multiple projects
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: at one time, to like get you to focus on
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: several different things, because it's, like I said, they have
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: the counterculture shit going on, they have the serial killer
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: shit going on, and then they have like women's equality
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: shit going on, and they keep pushing women to be
• 53:09
  Speaker 8: more independent. And then they're sending people like Ted Bundy
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: out there to murder him for doing it right, and
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: so it's very counterintuitive, and they do that shit on purpose.
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: It's very much by design. And it's like I said,
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: as soon as like the Zodiac things started to fizzle out,
• 53:26
  Speaker 8: Ted Bundy's on a plane to San Francisco, god knows
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: what he's doing there, then flies back to Seattle, becomes
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: the psychopath that we know he is today.
• 53:36
  Speaker 9: And yeah, and Sir Colorado.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: Flies around on his own identity, right, and.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Like he's political too. He worked for the Republican Party.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: You know, he was going to law school.
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: And a lot of the serial killers are either political
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: or their military. That's something that's a common thread between.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of them.
• 54:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly.
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: And like the crazy thing about Ted is all these
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: girls started going missing in different states, but they couldn't
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: quite connect to them. So all these states got together
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: and they had this big conference and they were like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: we got to identify this guy before he.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Gets any more girls.
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: And are you guys familiar with the true crime author
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: and rule? She writes a bunch of She's basically like
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: before podcasts, We're cool. She wrote books about all these
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: serial killers and shit, she's a true crime author. But
• 54:46
  Speaker 8: she happened to be friends with Ted Bundy, worked with
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: him at the rape Crisis Center, if you can believe
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: that Ted Bundy worked at the rape Crisis Center. And
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: so she attended this conference where they're saying, oh, we
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: got to get this guy who's taken all these girls whatever,
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: and Anne Rule attends that conference, and then a couple
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: of days later, a bunch of girls, I think two
• 55:12
  Speaker 8: girls go missing from Lake Samamish State Park and a
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: bunch of witnesses say that the person that approached both
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: of those girls identified himself as Ted. And the first
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: person to turn his name over to the Ted squad
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: is what they called it was Anne Rule. And she
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: keeps popping up in Ted Bundy's life over and over again.
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: She knows some of the victims. She's oddly connected with
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: the Ted Bundy case, and she makes herself famous afterwards
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: for writing a book about him, and she just pops
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: up and it's real weird and.
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: Didn't Ted Bundy also escape from prison twice?
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: So yeah twice, yeah, and got airline tickets under his
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: actual name while he was on the LAMB.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: So I mean stuff like that, like, think about this.
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: The day that they got the name Ted and they
• 56:14
  Speaker 8: formed like this Ted squad or whatever. It was at
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: a beach where they were having a police picnic and
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: there was like hundreds of police officers.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: There, but nobody.
• 56:26
  Speaker 8: Okay, there was like five hundred people on this beach
• 56:30
  Speaker 8: and there was at least a hundred of them were
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: police officers.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Nobody saw anything.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: So everybody turned over all the pictures that they took
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: that day at the beach, and there were thousands and
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: thousands of pictures that were that day of people for
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: all looking around and having a good time at the beach.
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: Not one picture of Ted anywhere, not a photo bomb
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: picture of Ted.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Now a picture of Ted in the distance.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Ted.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: It's like Ted's not fucking there.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: And both of the witnesses that gave his name and
• 57:07
  Speaker 8: said we saw a man approaching this person and they
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: had identified themselves as Ted. One person said that he
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: had blonde hair. One person said that he, you know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: had dark short hair. Like none of none of the
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: witness's statements were adding up. It was almost like they
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: were told to say that. And then all of a sudden,
• 57:26
  Speaker 8: Anne Rule is like, oh, I know who it is.
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: It's Ted Bundy. I work right next to him at
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: the rape crisis center. She just happens to know him.
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: And fucking he doesn't even match the descriptions that were
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: given from the witnesses at the park.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: So how is it? I mean, guys, it doesn't make
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: any sense.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: How they know?
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: Yes, he was, he was and you know, to the
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Attorney General of the state, right mm hm.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 58:00
  Speaker 10: They find out, wasn't there a claim that some of
• 58:05
  Speaker 10: the girls of Ted had I killed or whatever, that
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: they were actual hits, not all of them, but to
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: some of them, and that they were some were hits,
• 58:13
  Speaker 10: but then some were just random to kind of make
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: it all look like a serial kitlary.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what they do. That it was a hit, yeah,
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: because I was.
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: That was actually the next thing in my notes that
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: I was going to tell you guys about is two
• 58:27
  Speaker 8: of them in particular, were kept alive somewhere for a
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: like a long period of time before that they were murdered.
• 58:36
  Speaker 8: And that was completely outside the norm for all the
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: other Bundy victims. They were always abducted and immediately killed
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: shortly thereafter. But there were two in particular that one
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: of them was a police chief's daughter and the other
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: one was like somebody else high up's daughter. And they
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: found out that they had been kept somewhere for like
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: over a week, that they had been completely drained of blood,
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: and that their bodies had been dumped, but they weren't
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: bludgeoned like the rest of the girls. And and one
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: of the girls that was kept for over a week
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: and then totally bled out ted was on a hunting
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: trip like with one of his friends when she supposedly
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: was being held captive somewhere and being bled out. So
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: that didn't even make sense for him to have done it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: And yet he goes down as being the murderer.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: Didn't he I mean, didn't he even do some other
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: stuff where like he was almost like some Brian Colberger
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: type shit. He walked up into like a sorority house
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: and just stabbed a bunch of bitches and like all
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: in separate rooms, and like nobody ever heard anything that right.
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: Now, Tallahassee, Yeah, that was the ky Omega house. But
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: think about it, Nick, it doesn't fucking fits him.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because he would.
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: Snatch and grab right one single female, get him in
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: the car, bash him over the hea head dumped their body,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: and then he would necro file them. He would like
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: to go back to his dump sites and like fuck
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: the corpses and shit over a period of time. The
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: Kyle Mega fucking sorority house, he just went in there
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 8: with the fucking club and just started bashing bitches over
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: the head that didn't.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Fit the narrative. He liked to be secretive about what
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: he was doing.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: I'm telling you right now, he was probably responsible for
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: a third of the murders that have been pinned on him.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: The rest of this shit was random as fuck, and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: it had to be other people because all right, you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: guys know one of the survive ted Bundy survivors that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: they always show on like doctor Phil and shit. Her
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: name is Carol Duranch. And he picked her up at
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: a shopping mall and like she broke loose from him
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: and fucking ran away.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: All right, So yeah, right, and she's also Mormon. I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: should get he converted. Yeah he did, he did, uh huh.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: But so the shopping mall where he abducted Carol Durance, right,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: was exactly i want to say, twenty five miles from
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 8: another abduction site where he supposedly he uh Carol got
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: away and he went to a school, picked someone else
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: up and murdered him because he got mad that Carol
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: got loose. But the problem is the time frame in
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 8: which Carol got away and the second victim was abducted
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: was fifteen minutes. And there is no way humanly possible
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: for Ted to have gotten from point A, the abduction
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: site of Carol Durance, to point B, the school where
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 8: the other girl was kidnapped, in fifteen minutes.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: There's no fucking way he could do it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: And all of the witnesses told the police that it
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: was a guy a with long sandy blonde hair that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: abducted the girl from the school.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: But what did they do?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: They put that on Ted too, and so he's constantly
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: getting murders piled up onto him that he couldn't have
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: even fucking physically been there to do it. But this
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: is how they create this narrative of the serial killer.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: And and God only knows who really abducted that girl
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 8: from the school.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: We'll never fucking know.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: What if they just bring them out on camera and
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: shackles and stuff and they really didn't do anything, and.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Then they just they just get to go like, uh,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I've wanted that golfing and like travel Europe and stuff.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: They need another interview they just bring out right, he
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: does this crazy little shit.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys remember.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: In our last episode I said I think a lot
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: of these serial killers are just actors playing a role
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: because I don't even think that they could have been
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: in the position where they could have done half of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: the crimes that they say that they did, and Ted
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: is one of them.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: So going back to something that the.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: Man jackal quick, what was that park you had mentioned
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: before the Ted Bundy got some of his victims from
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: there in Washington.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: State, Smamish, Amamish.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Whatever that park is? Speaking of Brian Coburger, he I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: think that's the park he was supposedly had the night
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: of the murders. Strangely, really, I don't think so. He's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: got a bunch of the eyebrows though.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Well they said they found.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: Out a bite. He did walk up into a house
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 6: and just stables.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: Well I don't think Brian Coberger did, but somebody did.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Somebody did.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: Somebody the the ky Omega house that Nick was talking about,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: where he just went in there with a with a
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: tree branch and just started clubbing bitches over the head, right.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: So in that trial, I'm serious he did.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: The reason they were able to get him in the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: Kyomega Sorority trial is one of the victims had a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: bite mark on their ass.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: This is this was the thing. This is what got him,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: the elusive fucking bitemark evidence. Here's the problem.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: They later went back and admitted that they did not
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: have the original bite mark that was found on the victim.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: They said that they had cut it out of their skin,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: put it in a solution that accidentally dissolved it, and
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: that they had to go to the prison and get
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: molds of Ted Bundy's teeth and press them into into
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: random dead people's asses at the morgue and take pictures
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: of it to reproduce what they saw on the dead
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: first dead body.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: Does that make sense to you, guys, No, not whatsoever.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Why would you if.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 8: Ted Bundy bit one of the bitch's asses and you
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: had it right there and you could have took a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: picture of it and compared it to his teeth. No,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: what they did though, they cut it out of the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: dead girl's ass, They put it in a solution. Whoops,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: just happened to be acid it totally dissolved it. And
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 8: they go to the prison, they make molds of Ted
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: Bundy's teeth, and then they go to the morgue and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: they press those teeth into the butt cheeks of random
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: dead people.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Then they take a picture of that.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 8: Then they took that to trial and said, look, his
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: teeth matched these bite marks.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: It has to be him.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would argue these investigators might have some necrophiliacs,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: right what.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: They literally gave him the death penalty over evidence that
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: they created.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: What the fucking trial. So we don't even know that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Ted Bundy was in the fucking house that night.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: I mean literally, you guys. And so the last victim
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 8: that they pinned on him was a twelve year old
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: girl named Kimberly Leech. And for that to have happened,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: he would have had it been in two places at
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 8: one time. He would have had been in Tallahassee and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 8: this neighboring city where Kimberly was like pretty much at
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: the same time for those two things to happen.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: And also, Kimberly being.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: Twelve years old, was completely outside of his mo He
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: had never murdered somebody that young before. It was always
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: like older women, So, I mean, it didn't make sense
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 8: to me. Also, Kimberly was completely drained of blood, which
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 8: didn't match.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Any of the other victims.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 10: Didn't They come out in your recent thing that ms
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: were not real like people, that serial killers always debate
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: out of their mo and I have never believed that.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 10: I think that they, especially like with like genuine serial killers,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: they never kill outside of the racial line, outside of
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 10: their ethical line. They always have a signature of some
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 10: sort or whatever. But I believe it years ago that
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 10: there were I guess MBI whatever statements saying that no
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 10: serial killers deviate all the time, and I was that
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 10: it was new to me that they were going to
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 10: incorporate that into the profile forensics.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Forensic Yeah, I.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: Think the the serial killer profiling is another psyop. Actually
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: I think they have. Yeah, I mean, I think that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: they came out with that shit to kind of almost
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: throw people off the trail so they weren't so they
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 8: wouldn't be looking for random shit, which I mean, look
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: at Henry Lee Lucas, if he really did all that stuff,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 8: they they were completely random and never the same. And
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: you know Ted too, and Ted in several interviews said
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 8: that there were multiple people involved.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: He said that.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: He said, there are multiple people involved. I'm not the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: only one doing this, And girls continued to go missing
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: for several years after they locked ted up. And by
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 8: the way, talking about what JJ was talking about earlier,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: what are the chances this motherfucker successfully escapes prison twice
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: and then just so happens like find a log cabin
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: in the woods filled with supplies and shit that he
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: would need to live for a couple of days. And
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 8: then the second time he just happened to find a car,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: and then a bus ticket, then a plane ticket, then
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: a train ticket, and then I mean, it's almost by
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: design that he's let back out, if he really is
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: doing this stuff in the first place. But I mean, like, really,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: you guys are talking about ass vampires. I'm not eve mean,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: I'm not even going there, you guys.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: I would say, as far as the changing mos with
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: the varying moos, but still having a signature, again, I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: think Edward when Edwards is a great example of that.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: He definitely killed in various different fashions. He did do
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: lovers lanes, you know, shooting him zodiac style. He definitely
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: said so. The other thing he did zodiac style was
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: he would set up other folks up for the murders.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: He would build circumstantial cases around folks. He would insert
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: himself into these folks lives he would make he would
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: make a fake certificates of psychiatry, set up, set up
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: running office, set up a shop as a fake psychiatrist,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: inserted himself into folks lives. So as far as like
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: folks like Arthur Lee Allen and the Zodiac story, like
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: he did it because circumstantially that's actually his mo. So
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: that is the ever Win Edwards signature move is exactly
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: that he actually testified in some folks trials that he
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: set up. Like that's how deep do went?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: The thing is, it's like it's kind of like.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: I think some authentic serial killers have iMOS, and I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: think some don't that are working in groups, and it's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: like maybe everybody has their own you know, there's a
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: there's a knife guy, and there's a gun guy, and
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 8: there's a a guy that likes to suffocate him, and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: then there's a So it always looks kind of like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: random because it's it's different people doing this.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like I know exactly what
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: you're saying, I almost look at like the a different perspective.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: So like and again, I use Everyone Edwards is the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: mold in which I shape a lot of my conversations
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: of serial killers on because I've somebody I've studied a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: lot after reading about the guy, I've done a lot
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: of you know, studying, studying the dude, how this dude's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: existed in life. I mean, the guy went on a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: speaking of you know, like Rodney al Kayla Dating game,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: serial Killer, Everyone Edwards got on the show to tell
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: the truth, which in fulled most of the folks on there. Yeah,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: this guy was a very devious character. So anyway he
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: you know, as far as not, I don't look at
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: it necessarily as the weapons used, necessarily the precise manner
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: in which the murders accomplished. For example, though the Zodiac
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: wrote about in one of his letters how he got
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: his he got his rocks off murdering folks, strangling well
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: everyone Edwards. One of the murders he got busted for
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: from DNA evidence was seemen on a victim's genes. That
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: he literally got his rocks off, strengthening this woman in Wisconsin.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: So fucking and that's the thing.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: That's kind of the way when I look at his
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: and that in that regard, its nothing necessarily like the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: precise weapons, but you know that's the same kind of tactic, right,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: that is literally that was the thing.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Like Bundy, do that to one of them or all
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: of them or something?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he yeah, yeah, Robin Williams, there's there's some there's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: actually conspiracy theory about him.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: I forget what it is now, but.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 8: But so like Ted gets two death penalties and he
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: gets put in a cell right next to Otis Tool,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: who is also a programmed serial killer. So for me,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: that's just like it's almost like a full circle moment
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: that they're one of their first projects, Henry Lee Lucas
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 8: and Otis Tool, right, and then all this these other
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: serial killers in the middle, and then you got Ted
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: who goes on death row right next to Otis Tool.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: They're they're like in the same cell block. Like really,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: it just it's weird to me. Yeah, it's weird to me.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: Did we just lose somebody?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: He had to get going, he texted me, Ah, damn, Well.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on henryly Lucas getting clemency from George
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: George Bush number two.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: Man, I think they're probably like long lost fucking cousins
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: They're probably they're probably third cousins twice removed.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: I s, where do you cousin cousin Henry's house child?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, because because Henry was uh, he loved the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: Texas Rangers and ship and it was just you know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: I don't know, did you guys watch True Detective This
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 8: show True Detective that first season with Matthew McConaughey, Like,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: think of the ending of that, right, how the guy
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: at the end is like cousins with like all the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: people the government doing all that.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: That's how I think of Henry Lee Lucas. I think
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: he was family.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: He might have been the fucked up cousin that they
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: kept in the closet because he looked crazy, But I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: think he could have been related.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean there's so many theories floating around
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: out there about like, uh, what's your name? Bush?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 8: Is Crowley's kid Barbara? I mean I think a lot
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: of are related.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 14: Man.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: I think a lot of these higher up people have
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 8: family members. And and actually one of the Kennedy's nephews
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: uh murdered a girl named Martha Moxley or Martha Mosley,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: I can't remember her last name, but like just Peter
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: to death with a golf club and just nothing ever happened.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: I mean you got to understand, like, they'll cover this
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: stuff up if it needs.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think nothing.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: I think they only bust him as an adult. Yeah,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: I think they bust him.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Martha's murder, I believe so. Well that's great if they did.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: Mark Frman, of all people, was involved in the private
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: investigation that helped turn that case over.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: Well, hell yeah, because everybody you nazi mm hmm. You
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 8: guys want to talk about Gasey and Dahmer a little bit?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, sure, real quick. I just uh, it's the f
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 11: O g C. Lodge that I was talking about. It's
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 11: actually pre Mesonic Order of the Golden Centurion.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: They you talk about Zodiac.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 11: Yeah, potentially, Like when I was looking into them, there's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 11: just there. They're human sacrifice. It Saturnian lodge and apparently
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 11: they're they're Freemasons too.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: Oh it's old.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 11: It's an old lodge, so I'm not saying it's modern.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 11: But when you look at into what they were doing
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 11: and the types of stuff.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Sure, you guys did you guys watch Peggy Sue Got Married.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: It's like an old movie. It's got like Nicholas Cage
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: in it. She like goes back in time and they
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: literally have a hole Masonic. Oh god, you guys got
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: to watch it. I feel like I feel like Nicholas
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: Cage is into some ship.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: I really, He's got a movie production.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: For sure, for sure, but so.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: So getting on gay Sy. I listened to this podcast.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: It was called The Clown and the Candyman and it
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: linked Did you listen to it?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Nick?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: Yeh, all right, so you're gonna know what I'm talking about.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 8: It linked John Wayne Gacy with this huge pedophile network
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: and this guy named Dean Coral who they call the Candyman,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: And fucking people want to talk about Gaysey having a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: high body count. I think he had thirty three victims,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: is what they said, Gaysey. Well, Dean Coral had twenty
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: seven was it or twenty eight?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: And nobody knows who this guy is.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: He got all these boys, tortured them to death, raped them,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: and then he buried their bodies in his boat, shed
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: twenty eight of them, and nobody talks about this guy.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 8: And he said he told his accomplices, that he was
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 8: part of a larger pedophile network that was working out
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: of Dallas, and so did John Wayne Gacy. And they
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 8: actually had common associates. Was Philip Paskal. Yeah, so Philip
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 8: Pasky was working with Dean Coral and Philip Pasky was
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: working with John Wayne Gacy. And now here's the thing,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: just like with Ted Bundy, there are some victims that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: are attributed to Gaycy that he wasn't even He was
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 8: fucking out of town, fucking miles away when these people
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: got abducted, but yet they're considered Gaysey victims. And I
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 8: think that Gaysey could have been something like a finisher
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 8: kind of guy, like where these other pedophiles would have
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 8: their fun and then bring them back to Gaycy to
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 8: finish them, because there's no way he could have abducted
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: all of them. He was in construction, he was on
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 8: out of town projects when a lot of these kids
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: went missing. And it just doesn't make sense whatsoever. It's
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: like you guys were saying he was political. He has
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: a picture of himself with one of the first ladies.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 8: He said that there were other people involved, but nobody
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: likes to talk about that. Shit, just like Berkowitz, there
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 8: are other people involved. Bundy said it too, there are
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: other people involved, but we just like it's like literally
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 8: like we won't hear that it has to be just him.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what do you guys think about?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: Do you are you familiar with this Dean Coral guy?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I believe it was also a connection with
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: those same fellows in Ace Brown of the Yonkers tale
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: was son of Sam, the pedophile guy who was running
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: kids through uh Times Square, but was the local camp
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: Yonkers Well.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: And then there and then there's like the colonel guy
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: that's talked about with Aacy. But then there's the colonel
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: that's also talked about with the Franklin scandal, Michael Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: And then the guy that was involved with the Gacy
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: one lived in Colorado. The one with the Franklin scandal
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: lived in Colorado and Buayne Vista and he had a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: house near a place called Elephant Rock, And that's all
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: talked about like with the Franklin scandal. But then also
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: there's a colonel that's involved with the John Wayne Gacy murders.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: And then you know Paul Banassi, the guy with seventeen personalities.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 8: He's he's one of the first ones that identified Michael
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: Aquino as the colonel, So I mean, I think there
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 8: are definitely ties there. And there was another guy they
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 8: brought up in that podcast I listened to with Dean
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 8: Coral and John Wayne Gacy. His name was like something Sherman,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: I think, uh.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: But he had one of the firstform men.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: I think John Nor was he the one that.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 7: Had the one that I think that was the one
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: that passed. He might have connected him with, yes, because they.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Were both in jail together Isle Island.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: They were both in jail together, and they supposedly I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: don't know how truthful this is because this is a
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 7: little bullsy. They were printing out like this their newsletter
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 7: that they were still basically out of the prison.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: It was like a like a fucking catalog for petos.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I know their preferences and all that,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: like yes, yes, yeah.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: And one of the sons of like a what wasn't
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: it like.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 8: A GM executive was wrapped up in one of these pedapholwerings.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, you guys, it goes so deep in the
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: case and they're all connected.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: In that podcast, that's one of the most shocking, and
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: I think I may have.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 7: Played we actually when we covered Gaycy, we actually did
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 7: use that podcast to pull some stuff out of it,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 7: and I might have actually taken samples of the cops
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 7: that even said if you were to see some of
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 7: the names that were in.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: These things, it was you wouldn't believe it.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: That's what they said. It was right people's names. You'd
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: be like, oh my god, I cannot believe this.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, Gaysey was supposedly in in the United
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: States Junior Chamber the j c's. The j c's and
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: I always said it a little interesting is they have
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: for me personally, they have an annual party every year
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: called this the Stag And supposedly Gasey used those Stag
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: parties to kind of like get people in this.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Group with the cards and everything.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 8: Well, and then one of the j c's, like the
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 8: one of the higher up guys, Gasey sodomized his son
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 8: and that was the first charge he ever got.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, you hear about how.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 8: They they let they do these things to blackmail politicians
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 8: and shit, and it's like, what are the chances that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: John Wayne Gacy's in this jc's club and then one
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 8: of the fucking guy's kids get sodomized and it's like, oh, well,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 8: you know that was just totally random. We don't know
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 8: how that happened, Like how do you get a hold
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 8: of this kid and for that long period of time
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 8: and then like, I don't know, you guys, it just
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 8: it seems like all of this is so interconnected and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 8: there's such a spider web and it's it's actually the
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: same with uh, the John Beney case, I believe because
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 8: I talked about it with Nick before a long time ago.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 8: I don't know what was that Nick, a year ago
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: or something. There's these larger pedophile rings that operate and
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 8: you know these wonder late what what is it wonderland raids.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 8: We're going down and they found a bunch of people
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 8: with pictures of John Benet on their computer and shit.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: So it's like.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 8: John Benet's dad was running that Access Graphics company. The
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: name itself, I feel like, is a dead giveaway. But
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: Dave McGowan links John Benay in with all this other
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 8: shit and program to kill. I mean, you guys got
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 8: to read that book if you get a chance, because
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: like even the chapter on John Beney is fucking wild, dude,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 8: It's wild, and he pretty much links what happened to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 8: John Beney in with what happens with all these pedophile rings.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 8: A Dahmer is the only one I will say is
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 8: probably an authentic serial killer. You guys can disagree with me.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: I do think he had help, I do think he
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: was trained, but I think he's one of the only
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: ones that I will say may have been an authentic
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 8: serial killer. And I kind of wanted to wrap up
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 8: with some stuff on Dahmer unless you guys had anything
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 8: else you wanted to add.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: I wanted to add something real quick on the John
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: benet Uh.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: Supposedly there's this lodge or this like I guess like
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: a cult group, and they're they're near where me and
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: Mike live, and there's some rumor that that that but
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: her murder is tied to this weird like a cult lodge,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: and it's kind of like a really it's like a
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: Blavatsky like New Age kind of thing, and it's it's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: where the Emerald tablets come from and where the Ben
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: Carson guy that keeps talking about he got it.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: From this guy and his name is like doctor doctor Dorriel.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and there's some connection with Bennet and like
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: supposedly a Kino and this place, oh my god, yes,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: night's Timplar.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: How are you spelling this doctor's name?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: It's a d O R E A L. I think
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: it's Brotherhood of the White Temple.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: Interesting, Yeah, I see that. Interesting.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 8: You guys got to listen to my John Benet stuff
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 8: that I did two I did just like a solo
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 8: episode on it, and then I did one with Nick obviously,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 8: but uh there that story goes deep and there's a
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: lot of information, and I uh did think that Dave
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: McGowan did a pretty good job in Program to Kill
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: kind of talking about what he thought happened with John Beney, and.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: It's it's like anything else.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 8: I just I don't think that the mainstream narrative even
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: comes close to giving anybody the truth about that.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: And she'll probably never see.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 8: Justice because that's just how it is. And you know,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 8: John Ramsey, the dad, his older daughter died weird too,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: so this would have would have been his second dead kid.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 8: And the little brother, Brooke is all but a basket
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 8: case and they've got his ass on Doctor Phil and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 8: I watched the interview and it's.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: Like, is this fucking real life right now?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: Dude?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 8: Like he it's just cartoon ish almost watching this guy.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 8: And and he's like, have you ever read the ransom note?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 8: You know when they kidnapped your little sister, And he's like.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Ransom note and he's like laughing, he's laughing. I mean,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: it's just you guys.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 11: It ties into a Hunter s Thompson too.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that guy was up there.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 11: He had a golden ticket to do whatever he wants.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 11: So I have family that lived up there during the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 11: same time you kept away from him. He had a
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 11: golden passage, shoot guns, as much dope as you could
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 11: possibly imagine, and there were stars in and out of
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 11: that place, and the rumors of what he was doing
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 11: up there is very dark.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Dude. Have you heard that he raped his cat?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 13: No?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: I didn't.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: I believe it, man.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: What Yeah, dude, the Hunter Stomps had raped this fucking
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: cat and.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Was very tied into politics.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: It brings a whole new meaning to get in some
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: pussy's there's.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: A Hunter s Thompson. Fun fact, he used to be
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: the security guard for the Eslam Institute when it first started.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: He lived on the site there and guard of the grounds.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 8: So Obi wants to do an episode just on Hunter
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 8: because he's a whole, but go ahead.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: Sorry, he's interesting.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 9: Go ahead, finish.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: No, that's it. Go ahead. So some of these, some
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: of these.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 10: Major characters or players that kind of were instrumental into
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 10: the foundation of and uh some of the experimentations that
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 10: went on in Stanford and so forth. They all got
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 10: their start in Loslomos. They were kids of families that
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 10: were dropped there. I believe the actual school for boys
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 10: or something was started by Oppenheim Ramas, but they all
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 10: kind of started the whole you know, programming or being
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 10: indoctrinated there, and then they move on to Los Angeles,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 10: and then we have all of this further indoctrination where
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 10: most of the kids were children of parents who were
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 10: indoctrinated themselves. What I find interesting is a couple of
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 10: things is so, you know, going back to the Kate
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 10: and La Bianca murders, is that nobody ever brings up
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 10: Frank Sinatra in that pharaoh, him and Mia Farah were
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 10: on the ropes bad. He wanted her to leave Rosemary's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 10: baby and he would show up unannounced because he knew
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 10: that Roman Polanski had a thing for Mia Pharaoh and
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 10: he would remake He would make Mia Pharaoh do with
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 10: the sex scenes over and over and over, and especially
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 10: when Bank Sinatra was on scene, he would do it.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 10: So he served divorce papers to Mia Pharaoh on Rosemary's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 10: Baby and the entire Rosemary's Baby theme or whatever is
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 10: pretty much what I guess you could say is you
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 10: know Sharon Tate's fate right or so forth. One of
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 10: the things that you look at Frank Sinatra, he had
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 10: a huge following and one of his major major fans
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 10: was Aquino, and yet nobody talks about that, you know,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 10: and how he was absolutely obsessed with Frank Sinatra, and
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 10: they know that we have a lot of attribute attributing
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 10: crimes to Aquino. Aquino, sorry, Aquino and Frank Sinatra kind
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 10: of just like dissolves out and the thing. And we
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 10: had talked, like with SFK, how you have these traveling
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 10: bands and they can go anywhere, and however he has
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 10: ties to the mob. There there were alleged, alleged rumors
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 10: that he was kind of a hit guy for other people.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 10: He did pay for the funeral of Sammy Davis, so
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 10: he was part of these And we do know that
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 10: most of these people belong to secret societies, secret societies
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 10: that have all kind of started, whether it was in Europe,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 10: but a lot of them in California. And one of
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 10: the main interesting things is that if you take it
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: ten from Dallas who sent to Los Angeles, you get
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 10: six hundred and sixteen miles and I believe that is
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: the real number of the Beast and rights Maximware. Dab
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 10: in the middle is Los Alamos. And so nobody really
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 10: makes those connections. And I always thought that that good
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 10: that you know, it's one of those things that's kind
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 10: of in the periphery. You can't really make anything of it,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 10: but it's there.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, are you.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 8: Guys familiar with the Lookout Mountain Laboratory at all? Okay, Well,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: you know who had top secret clearance to that bitch
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 8: was like Marilyn Monroe, Frank Sinatra president.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 8: So it's like you were saying that it is a
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 8: secret club. So do you really say that motherfucker's last
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 8: name with Quino?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Is that?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: How?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 9: I don't I don't know.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: Is it a Quino or is it Akino?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: A potato.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: Asshole.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I might have been saying it
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: wrong this whole time. I don't know, but there's something
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: that ties in a Queen.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 10: I don't know. I don't know how to say it.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 10: Neither ties into the whole because how he has the
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 10: widow's peak, going Mickey Mouse into Mickey Mouse, and on
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 10: Rosemary's Baby, she ends up getting drugged by slipp being
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 10: slipped to Mickey right, and.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: So wearing.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 10: As well, almost as a nod to knowing what happened
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 10: with the murders.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: And Sammy Davis.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: And a Queeno.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: They're both in the Church of Satan at the exact
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: same time.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 5: They dabbling and Satanism, if you will, And they were
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: all they were.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 10: All members of secret societies, all of the rap Pack.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 10: It may not be the same secret society, but they
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 10: were all members of a secret society for sure.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: That's so fucked and I mean, it's the sad truth.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 8: But I so that's why I think we should get
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 8: this same group together to go over Laurel Canyon stuff,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 8: because it's so interconnected. I mean, if you're going to
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 8: talk about one, you almost have to bring up the
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 8: other because it's like the Lookout Mountain laboratory thing. All
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 8: these assholes were had top secret clearance. I've done like
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 8: three episodes on Marilyn Monroe and how she was definitely
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 8: not fucking unliving herself, and it's I don't know if.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: You guys have nine to five jobs or whatever where.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 8: You can listen to podcasts, but if you have a chance,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 8: listen to, uh what I put together on Maryland, because man,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: it's clearly blatantly obvious, just with scientific evidence alone and
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: no conspiracy stuff, that she did not commit suicide. I
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: don't even have to take it to a conspiratorial level.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 8: I can just show you autopsy report findings and prove
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: to you that she didn't kill herself. So I mean,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 8: it's just but they're so good at selling you mainstream narratives.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 8: I did it on Tinfoil Hat even I went on
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 8: and talked about Marilyn Monroe because it's like, it's crazy
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 8: the amount of stuff that's out there that you can
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 8: find that prove that she could not have committed suicide,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 8: but nobody wants to talk about that. They'd rather make
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 8: seventeen documentaries about her on Netflix about how depressed she was,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 8: and like, oh, she had a hard life, and dude,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 8: she is a programmed, multiple fucking monarch.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: You know that she's a sex kitten like that.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 8: This is the realist shit in I just I think
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 8: that people are just fall so easily for whatever they
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 8: put out there.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know who Tracy Twyman is.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: Look how about Jane Jane Mansfield.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's another one.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 8: Hey there didn't Anton Levey have like some dedication in
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: his Satanic Bible to Jane Mansfield and uh Tuesday Weld
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: Marilyn Monroe.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: But he put a curse on the guy and he
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: didn't he didn't want her. He told her to not
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: basically ride with him in the vehicle or whatever.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 13: Uh huh.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: And basically that was.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: The invention of the Mansfield but the man, yeah, the
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: Mansfield bar on trailers for semis.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 8: Well, I don't want to get too far off on
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 8: a tangent. I don't know how you guys feel about
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 8: the the the conspiracy that Paul McCartney was killed the
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 8: real one in a car accident and replaced by another dude.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: But they have Jane Mansfield on the Yellow Submarine album cover,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 8: and there's all this other really weird symbolism on the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 8: Yellow Submarine not the Yellow Submarine, was it.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: Sergeant Pepper?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 8: Sergeant Pepper, Yeah, where they're all standing above a grave.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 8: So one of the faces in the background is Jane Mansfield.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 8: And they do say that the real Paul was killed
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 8: in a car accident, you know, very man's Field esque,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 8: and you know, was replaced by this other guy who like, right, yeah,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 8: and whoever replaced Paul I approve, because the motherfucker was
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 8: talented and he wrote some great songs and he did
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 8: a lot of great work, and you know, thumbs up
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: to that guy whoever replaced him. But they I did
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 8: find that interesting that they snuck Jane Mansfield in that
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 8: album cover. You know, it could be one of those
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 8: candy conspiracy theories, but I think that it was interesting
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: they included that.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: But Crowley's on that cover too, Yeah, shut your mouth.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: In the background.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's allegedly Sergeant Pepper play rock and roll twenty
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: years ago today, that'd have been forty seven versus sixty seven.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, and there's all that stuff about who is
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: the Walrus? And we talked about.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 8: Lewis Carol in the last episode being a huge Peto
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 8: and then you know, John Lennon was obsessed with him
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 8: and they had all this Walrus imagery the Beatles did,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: and the Walrus is Paul who might be dead and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 8: replaced by lookalike.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 14: So you never know when speaking of like Mansfield, Levey
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 14: isn't Jane Mansfield Murska Hardigay's mother, the actress from Law
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 14: and Order.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, you're right from Law and Order, right?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 14: Yeah?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 13: Yeah, And she's a huge Swift ye it a Swift fan,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 13: you know, the Ta Swift looks exactly like Cena Elavay.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 8: Here, let's bring it all the way back to the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 8: Laurel Canyon. Isn't Anton Levey in the cover of Hotel
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 8: California as well?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So now we've brought it all the way
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: full circle back to the canyon. My favorite thing to do.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 8: But yeah, so I wanted to kind of wrap up
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 8: with Dahmer if you guys are down to talk some
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 8: Dahmer really quick.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: All right. So, Dahmer, I think that he was fucked
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: up since he was a child. I think that.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: There could possibly be tests that they give to children
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: in school and ship where they can pick out potential
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 8: psychopaths in my opinion because for some reason, Jeff has
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 8: like weird stuff that happened while he was even in
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 8: high school. Like on his senior class trip, they went
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: to Washington and he makes some type of like anomaloist
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 8: phone call that we don't know who he called or
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 8: how he got the phone number, but he was able
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 8: to arrange a private tour of the White House for
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 8: him and all of his classmates in his on his
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 8: senior trip. Nobody knows who he called, nobody knows how
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 8: he was able to get that set up. But like
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 8: I said, I think Jeff was an authentic serial killer.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: I think they had him picked out from an early age.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 8: I don't know what his connections were. He got some
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: private trip around the White House for him and all
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: of his friends, and then he later goes on and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 8: comes military, and while he's in the military, this is
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 8: something that I just found out that a lot of
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 8: people don't talk about. There are two Jeffrey Dahmer victims
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 8: that survive that he was in the military with in Germany.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 8: And one of them's name is Preston Davis, and the
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 8: other one's name is Billy Chapman, I believe, and they
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 8: both talk about getting drugged and brutally raped and tortured
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 8: by Jeffrey Dahmer, but he didn't kill them. And this
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: was all in Germany while he was in the military.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 8: And the one guy, Billy Chapman, he even got a
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: rape kit done and he went to go get the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 8: results of the rape kit and said, Jeffrey Dahmer raped
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 8: me and all, oh, sorry, lost the results.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: We can't we don't know where they are.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 8: And so these two guys have been screaming at the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 8: top of their lungs that people need to start looking
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 8: at missing people in Germany from the time that jeff
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 8: was there, and that they also said Florida and somewhere else.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: He has victims to that have never been identified, but
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: they are Dahmer victims, and so.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: He started real early.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 8: And it's crazy to me because not only could there
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 8: be other victims when he was in Germany that we
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 8: don't know about and two survivors.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: When he gets back home, he's on a whole other level.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: He's like drinking blood.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 8: Bags and he's going to these bathhouses and he's going
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 8: to the gay clubs, and he's taken it to an
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 8: extra fucking level, like whereas before he had killed one guy.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 8: It was a hitchhiker guy. He took him back to
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 8: his house and he busted him upside the head with
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 8: like a barbell or something, and it cooked him in
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 8: the oven and fucking turned his bones into fucking cat
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 8: litter or some shit, and sprinkled him all over the place.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 8: Then he goes to the military. He comes out Jeff
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: two point zero, and he's on some whole other scientific
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 8: type shit, like where the fuck did you learn this, Jeff?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: And he was supposedly just a medic, So where did
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: he learn all this this shit?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 8: He was Also, he had an honorable discharge, but they
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 8: said they they he got discharged for being an alcoholic.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 8: So I don't know if that's a thing. If you
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 8: can be a raging alcoholic and still get an honorable
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 8: discharge with full benefits, it seems like to me you wouldn't,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 8: but Jeff did. And it's like I said, he gets
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: out of the military and he's Jeffrey two point zero.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 8: And so are you guys familiar enough with this case
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 8: to know what I'm talking about When I say that
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: big bear that he had like a barrel of acid
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: in his apartment where he would just throw bodies in
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 8: and let him. All right, this is something that doesn't
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 8: make sense, guys, Jeffrey never owned a car, never owned
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 8: a car.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, he said. He went to the store, Tell me
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: what store you can get this from.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 8: Bought a fifty seven gallon drum of acid, called a cab,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 8: loaded the fifty seven gallon drum of acid into the
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 8: cab by himself, didn't spill any didn't nothing, drove it
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 8: back to his apartment, then carried it by himself up
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 8: two flights of stairs into his apartment. But when the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 8: police came to take the barrel out of the apartment,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 8: it took two guys in hazmat suits with a moving
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 8: dolly to get it down the two flights of stairstick
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 8: and get it out of his apartment.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: So you're telling me this guy with no car by himself,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: and the cab driver asked no questions.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: Apparently he got a fifty seven then gallon drum of
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 8: acid from the store what store, I don't know, to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: his apartment. There he toted that bitch up two flights
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 8: of stairs by himself.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: And nobody asked any questions, like, jeff what's in the barrel.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 8: Nobody saw him in the hallway like with a rope
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: tied around this bitch, like pulling it up the stairs,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 8: and said, Jeff, what's in the barrel?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: Like are you serious? This guy had no car.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 8: Also, a couple of his victims they lived like two
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 8: hours away from where he lived, and somehow he was
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 8: able to walk abduct them and then walk them back
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 8: two hours by car. Okay, so you can imagine what
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 8: that would be walking. But somehow with no car, he
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 8: got them from another city back to his city. And like, guys,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: it's almost like the Ted Bundy thing. He couldn't be
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 8: too places at once. And his dad almost has like
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 8: a gay crush on him. He shows up in all
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 8: the interviews with Jeff. He's always taken Jeff's side. He's
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 8: always saying, what a great guy Jeff is. His dad's
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 8: a fucking scientist. You want to talk about, where did
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 8: he get a fifty seven gallon drama of acid?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe his fucking scientist dad that works
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: out a research lab. Okay, how about that? How about
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: his dad.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 8: Wrote a book and said that he's had dark thoughts
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 8: his entire life and wanted to burn a bitch alive
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 8: and like do all this other stuff. And then he's
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 8: always showing up in interviews with Jeff saying like, Jeff's
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 8: not a bad guy.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: Jeff isn't that. I think his fucking dad was helping him.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: I think his dad fucking brought him the gallon fifty
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 8: seven gallon druma acid and towed it up the stairs.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: I think his dad knew a lot more.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 8: Do you remember this story where Jeff's dad came over
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 8: to his apartment or his house or something and he said, Jeff,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 8: what's in the box? And he was like, all, I
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 8: can't open the box. There's a bunch of nudi magazines
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 8: in it. I'll get those nudy magazines out and I'll
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: show you the box tomorrow.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: And he's like okay, and he just leaves. What parent,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: do you know if your.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: Kid had a locked box under their bed and you
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: were like, what's in the box, Jeff, and they were like,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 8: it's nudy magazines.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: I can't show you.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 8: Come back tomorrow after I've gotten rid of it. You'd
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 8: be like, motherfucker, open this box up right now. I'm
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 8: not coming back tomorrow. There is no me coming back tomorrow.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: Open the box. He had a fucking head in the box.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 8: He had a whole cock and bal sat in the
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 8: box and they could have found out right then what
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 8: he was doing. But no, his dad leaves and comes
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 8: back the next day after he's had time to like
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 8: get rid.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: Of the shit.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 8: Also, where did he learn all this taxidermy stuff and
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 8: like how to like melt these bones down and all that?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 8: Maybe from his dad the chemist.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: I don't no, Well, wasn't there a crossover with another
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: serial killer in the army in Germany at the same time?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: As as uh? I like how we're referring to as
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: Jeff as if he's coming over related for pizza. He's Yeah,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: wasn't Arthur shaw Cross I believe was also a serial
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: killer John at the same time. It's almost like I
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: think he was also a medic as well, if I
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: remember correctly. Like em and old Jeff were in some
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: sort of training together.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Dude, they were in a gay fucking lover's relationship, is
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: what they were.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like listen to me.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: Jeff said he got off by watching The Exorcist Part
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: two and then he would go get victims and then
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: he wanted to take all the bones and make an
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 8: altar in his apartment, right, right, Well, here's something that
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 8: nobody else talks about. You know how he he molested
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 8: one brother and then the other brother he drilled holes
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 8: in his skull and injected acid into his brain.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: That was a set of brothers.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 8: Well, there's another set of brothers too, because one of
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 8: the Jeffrey Dahmer victims brothers, after Jeff went to jail,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 8: was killed in a ritual sacrifice. That's what the article says.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 8: One of the brothers of a Dahmer victim was killed
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 8: in a ritual sacrifice after jeff had already said all
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 8: this stuff about setting up altars in his apartment and shit.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 8: You might think he had help from the outside, or
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 8: he was part of a group, right, or maybe his
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 8: dad helped him.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: He got that. Maybe he's got that ship.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: So what you're saying is he borrowed his dad's car
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: to do. Dude, If he borrowed his dad's car, I
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: bet his dad knew.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 7: Exist he stole's notes on how to how to do
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: all this stuff too.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: Well, he's kind of the foest gump of serial killers, right, Yeah,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: and he.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: Was brutally honest too. He'd be like, I went to the.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 8: Bar and I would just pick the most attractive guy,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 8: and I would take them back to my apartment and
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 8: I cut their dick off, and I would like he
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 8: would just tell you and grew some detail.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: The ship that he was doing right, like it was
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: totally normal, Like he explains like he was describing his lunch. Yeah, well,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: he's living in a he's living in an alleyway behind
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: a pizza shop, and he reports a dead body that
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: he just found in an alleyway down there in Miami,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: Florida or Hollywood, Florida at the same time that the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: Adam Walsh murder which owed, which was pending notice tool later.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: But Dahmer's living in an alleyway down there at the
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: same time and he just happens to find a dead body.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: He reports to the police.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: Well, and you know what, the kid that he drilled
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 8: into his skull and injected acid.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: This he was a fourteen year old kid. Listen to
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: this ship. Tell me these guys aren't protected. The cops.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: Aren't fucking protected the cops.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 8: He's got blood dripping out of his asshole down his legs,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 8: he's clearly upset. He's fourteen. These two ladies are like,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 8: there's a fourteen year old kid. Well, they didn't know.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 8: They said, there's a young boy out here. He's bleeding,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 8: he's crying, he's clearly.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Been something's happened to him.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 8: And then, uh, not only do they let him go
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 8: back with Jeff, they escort him back to the apartment.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: Here's the thing that nobody talks about, and that's never
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 8: shows up in the documentaries. Jeff had two bodies in
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: his bedroom that had been in there just rotting when
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: the police dropped this kid off. You're telling me experienced
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 8: police officers wouldn't opened up the door to his apartment
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: and not smelled that and not known what that was. Like,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 8: literally five feet away from the front door of the apartment,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: there's two rotting corpses in Jeff's bed and they.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: Didn't see anything.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 8: They just leave this kid, They just leave him. Oh,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 8: it's a bunch of gay guys gay stuff. That's what
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 8: gay sex smells like. It smells like dead b fuck off. Like,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 8: there's no way those police officers went in that apartment
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 8: and didn't like, they didn't smell anything, they didn't see anything.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: They didn't nothing. Nothing. It's almost as if.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: They ran his name and whoever came back and was like, oh,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 8: it's Jeff Dahmer. Just you know, just let it go,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 8: and they left because those two police officers they were
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 8: they were suspended with pay and then they were later reinstated,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: because it was almost as if they were just fulfilling
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 8: an order.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, and that within the police be they wouldn't
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: have to tell them not to. They would just they
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: would already know that there's that's a building or a
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: suspect of you know, some reason to avoid that building,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, So they would that would
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: be common knowledge amongst the patrol beat. Right, But with
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: Dahmer's other weird connections as far as like you know,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: getting some sort of top coverage, you know, amongst this
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: whole network, how does he know all these other members
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: of these of these cult networks. Right, One of his victors,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: apparently one of his victims proably came from the same
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: spot was Gaysey right, right.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 8: Yes, yes, that's exactly right. And and they were both gay, right,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 8: Gacy was gay and Dahmer was gay. And and they're
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: getting they're pulling their victims from the same area.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he puts the gay and gacy. But it's like
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: it's like Dahmer.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: Listen, guys, he definitely had help and he was definitely
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 8: connected with some ship.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 8: It's it's like some of the stuff to you guys,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 8: like the the Podestas having this golden Jeffrey Dahmer victim
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 8: statue in their house.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: They're proud of this ship.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 8: And like, if you were gonna pick a serial killer
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 8: to be proud of, it's gotta be Jeff. He was
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 8: feeding people pulled pork, human ass sandwiches. He was like
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 8: knock on their door and be like, you're hungry, and
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 8: it would be like a victim, and he was like
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: feeding it to people like a sick o fucko. And
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 8: they tore the apartment building down, right, they put a
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 8: fucking park where the apartment.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: Like go, It's like, if you're gonna tear the.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: Apartment building down where all this stuff happened, and you're
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 8: gonna put a park there. I was telling Colby about it,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 8: and I said, do you think like Jeff could have
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 8: opened up like a portal to Hell in that apartment?
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, think of the things he was doing in there.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: I said, that apartment, right, But I said, I said
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: the Ghost Adventures should.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: Go and check out the apartment.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 8: And I was like, oh wait, they tore it down
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 8: and they built a park, and he said, tell him
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 8: to go sit on a swing, right.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: I was like, I would never. When would you build
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: a park there?
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 8: It's like, so, I mean, Jeff was like I said,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 8: he said he got off watching The Exorcist Part two
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 8: and he he was building altars and ship and he
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: was doing and all this stuff.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: So I mean, ask vampires.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's how he's carrying that giant ass Beryl and
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: running at like thirty five miles in Howard.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: He's possessed by some crazy demon though he's like like car.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: Like literally, you guys, I don't know where you stand
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: on demonic possession and stuff like that. I myself am
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 8: a spiritual person. I do believe in stuff like that.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 8: I think it's a very real possibility. I think that
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 8: you can have a demonic possession and also, you know,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 8: I'll be a programmed killer. I don't think those two
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 8: things have to be separate from each other. If there
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 8: was a case of that, I think Jeff is define definitely.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: One of them. One of his last victims was actually
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: a guy named Tracy Edwards, I believe, and he.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 8: He ran screaming from the apartment and he said, this
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: white guy said he's going to eat my heart out,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 8: and that's how he got busted. But what people don't
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 8: know is actually, out of all the victims that Jeffrey killed,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 8: the one that got away at the end was a
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 8: pedophile who was on.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: Parole for raping like a twelve year old girl.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 8: Out of all the Dahmer victims to get away, the
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 8: one at the pedophile guy at the end gets to
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 8: get off scott free.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: If anybody should get their assayed, it was that motherfucker.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: But no.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: Away.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: I Betty would like it. But that's it.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 8: But I mean, I could go on and on about
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 8: Jeff That's why I did a whole bonus episode Me
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 8: and Coldy on my Patreon of Jess Dahmer stuff because
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 8: I could keep going and going and going, and I
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 8: still wouldn't have covered at all. So you just know
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: it's actually Dahmer, just Domer.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: It's like some n it's a sick moom name just Jeff.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: I'd watch that show about dahm Er just Jeff.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: Like he seems so sincere, and he's so brutally honest,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 8: and he'll just sit there and tell you gory fucking
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 8: details of this ship and it just makes.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: You wonder, you know, like what's the fuck?
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that reminds me of the movie Nefarious. Nut know,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 14: if you guys have seen that, I don't know if
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 14: I've seen it.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: No, I highly recommend. I think you might.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 14: You might be only able to watch it on YouTube,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 14: I'm not sure, or in America maybe you can, and
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 14: Canada can only watch it on YouTube. But that's what
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 14: happens when this person on death Row is being interviewed,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 14: He like switches personalities and then like the demon speaks
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 14: through and he's like so deadpan, like just straight up
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 14: very honest.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, Julie, like, is zomonic possession? Are
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: they separate?
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 14: I think I actually think to be a programmed killer,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 14: that's exactly what that means.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: I think that they actually have to open you up
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: to that to get you to that level.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 14: The trauma, the traumatization is to open you up to
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 14: entities that can influence your actions and thoughts. I don't
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 14: think that's a basic human action.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 8: Right, I mean Richard Ramirez pretty much said as much.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 8: You know that he worshiped the devil and you know whatever.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 8: And I do think that that plays a big part
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 8: to do with a lot of these serial killers. And
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 8: you know, if we want to do a part three,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 8: which we don't have to or anything, but I think
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 8: another interesting aspect if we're talking about how the CIA
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 8: can get away with this kind of stuff, a good
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 8: example would be Ruby Ridge and the Sieg John Waco.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 8: I mean, they can literally just murder people for no
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 8: fucking reason whatsoever and just completely get away with it.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 8: So if you want an example of that, you guys
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 8: need to look at Ruby Ridge, and you need to
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 8: look at fucking Waco, because if they want you dead,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 8: you're dead, and they don't even have to have a
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 8: good reason for it.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: Another another little interesting tie in I thought of is
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: Nicholas Shrek. Oh yeah, loves to interview all the serial killers,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: Ramirez and Manson, and and he's a part of was
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: a part of the Church of Satan, and then a
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: part of the temple is set with a keynote.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: And wasn't he married to Zena?
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, and married.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 8: He's married, mm hmm. But I mean that's all I
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 8: got for Serial Killers for you guys. I hope people
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 8: learned a lot of shit.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: No, that was good and that was a lot of
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 6: stuff and a lot of left.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: You guys were cracking me up. Sorry, the chat is
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: on fire tonight. Look at your faces. You're over there
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: fucking It's like something is funny. You're pro. Juliet just
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: kept going. She's just like, no problem.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 6: I got this to the people who don't watch the video.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 6: Teresa left so hard that she actually had to turn
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 6: off a video.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: Let me just get these.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: Giggles over with.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: I'm a horrible person laughing about dam or Like what Teresa?
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: What puts you off the head?
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: And you can play the chat.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 6: The chat is off. The hook to.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: The chat, I only saw like every other comment.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: I saw the ass vampires, but I think I missed
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 8: some other some other ship.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 14: I have like an ADHD brain, So like you're talking
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 14: and I'm listening, but then I'm also like reading at
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 14: the same time.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: It's like I don't know.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 8: Just hey, somebody said we ain't coming out Waco. Yeah dude,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 8: they're there, yeah, right there.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: So there there's a show on HBO. Oh that was Lisa.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't read the name. Sorry to call them in Texas. Yeah,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: there's a show on HBO. I want to watch it.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: It's it's really good about Waco.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: All right, awesome, Thank you so much, Julia. If you
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 7: think there's enough stuff to come back for a part three,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 7: you can just let me know.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I think a part a cool.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 8: Part three might be just just diving into the canyon.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 8: Actually just starting all over with a new like two parter.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you know that don't work. Yeah, then you
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 7: can bring Kobe with you. Definitely, that's gonna be fun.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 6: Nice.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 7: I really look forward to that. But thank you so
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 7: much for tonight. And again, you know, it was a
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 7: great show. That was two hours of a lot of information.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 7: We went over so many people really, if you think
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: about it, you know, even side tangents and stuff and
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 7: uh a Tunne laughs, Tunnle laughs. I highly suggest with
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 7: the people with the video of maybe you can check
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 7: it out after the fact and you'll see some of
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: the things I posted up. Yeah, I might take the
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 7: live down so you don't get to see the whole
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 7: live chat, but there's some gems I posted up, like
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 7: when I was able to breathe and I wasn't eleven,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 7: but real quick, Julia, let everybody know where they can
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: find all your amazing work again, please thank you.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have again the Cosmic Peach podcast.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 8: Wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you want extra
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 8: stuff like the Just Jeff episode, you can go to
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 8: Patreon and look for Cosmic Peach Podcast. You'll get all
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 8: the episodes early, you'll get bonus extra stuff. And yeah,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 8: so I'm always working on I think I mentioned this
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 8: in the last episode we did together. I'm always working
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 8: on many series covering different stuff. Right now, I'm working
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 8: on one on the nineties, the Dark Dark Stuff in
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 8: the nineties.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, David Lynch did die. Yeah, I bet you cry,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: didn't she?
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 6: I was upset, though, I was very upset.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: I think Colby was too, But don't get me to line.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: He did tell me to tell you that. But yeah, so,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: i got a new.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 8: Mini series coming out on the nineties and I'm trying
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 8: to feature some clips if any of you guys would
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 8: be willing to send me one.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: I'm still waiting on Nick.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 6: But right I totally forgot. I'm so sorry.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm just like Interesa to Lisa JJ Thrash, Mike,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 8: all of you guys, if you want to send me
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 8: just a short audio clip of it. Doesn't even have
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 8: to be the dark stuff from the nineties, but like
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 8: the most memorable things to you from the nineties. And
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 8: I'm trying to feature little you know, podcast or friends
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 8: in there and just talking about so I grew up
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 8: in the nineties. I'm sentimental about it, so I'm trying
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 8: to make it enjoyable for even somebody who doesn't have
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 8: fond memory memories of the nineties, they'll still want to
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 8: listen to it. And yeah, that's that's what I got
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 8: going on right now.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: That sounds awesome. I actually love the nineties. I do
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 5: a whole series comparing grunge rock to the weird scenes
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 5: inside the Canyon.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Courtney Love and Kurt and yeah.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: The whole scene. I mean, Alison Shaans, Pearl Jam Soundgarden,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 5: r Em.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 8: I am going to touch on that in this series.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 8: So yeah, it's gonna be one of the last ones.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 8: And I think I'm actually gonna have Colby come on
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 8: the last episode and talk about what you're talking about
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 8: right now with the grunge. It's it's Laurel Canyon two
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 8: point zero.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, yeah. I mean I was a big, big
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: McGowan fan. I looked. I know, he mentioned one day
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: about how he thought there was comparisons, you know, in
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 5: like an interview between the Laurel and there Is there Is.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 5: That was the scene I grew up like as a
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 5: big fan.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 6: Of mm hmm.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: It's a rabbit hole for sure. It's a rabbit hole garage.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 6: Definitely.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me Nick. This was
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 8: another killer episode. I'm working with you guys, it's always
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 8: super interesting.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 7: Hell yeah, no, that was a lot of fun and
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 7: it was a really good show. I really appreciate you
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 7: bringing that to the Occult Rejects this week, and the
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 7: Live obviously loved it. You had a lot of fans
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 7: and that a lot of people saying they loved what
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 7: you were doing, so you know, it went over really good.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 6: Thank you. You know, it seems like everybody enjoyed it,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 6: and that's what I'm trying to do.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 7: And thank you everybody in the chat for making my
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 7: night and keeping us constantly laughing. That was some great
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 7: stuff in there, and you know, some interesting things being
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 7: edited as well, and that is the end of another
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 7: occult rejects, and until the next one, everybody be well later.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: Paget and baton, packet bon, packet, bat and