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Prosecutors Describe Nicholas Tartaglione's Crimes In Gruesome Detail · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk more about Nicholas Tartaglioni today, and we're
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going to talk about how prosecutors say he killed the
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people that he's accused of killing. And then you could
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ask yourself once again, what this guy was doing in
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a cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the first place. Now,
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this wasn't his last cell mate, Jeffrey Epstein's last cell mate.
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I saw somebody on Twitter talking about stone Reyes as well,
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But Tartaglioni is a different story, Right, You could understand
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why stone Reyes would be in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein.
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At least I can a drug addict, not a violent guy,
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I get it right. Those are the kind of people
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that you put in a cell with someone like Jeffrey Epstein,
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someone like Mercy. You don't put a guy like Tartaglioni
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in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. There is no
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damn good reason for it. Now, we can run around
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the track all day trying to figure out what the
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hell went on in that jail cell the first time
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when Jeffrey Epstein allegedly tried to kill himself, but the
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fact remains that there was no cameras. Still no police reports, nothing,
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nothing from that night. And Epstein himself said he was
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assaulted by Tartaglioni according to sources. So you would think
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that this would be more of a point of interest
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for the powers that be for people who are following
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this case. Now. I'm not gonna sit here and say
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tartagli only killed Jeffrey Epstein. That obviously is not the case.
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My question is what happened in that cell the first
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time around when they were sharing a cell together, and
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why is there no information about the incident nothing. Of course,
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they'll tell you that it's, you know, an ongoing investigation
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and you don't have the right to see that because
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a national security event or whatever crazy shit they'll come
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up with. Before you know it, they'll be telling you
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that aliens were involved. This was an alien carried out project.
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Little green men from Mars showed up and they were
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the ones who clipped Epstein. I mean, in this wild
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ass world, would it surprise you at this point if
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that was the narrative they pitched. And for those out
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there that love conspiracy theories, there's one for you. Little
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Green men came down and use some kind of transport
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beam to transport themselves into Epstein's cell and clip them.
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Have that for a conspiracy theory, Why don't you but
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all kidding aside, A guy like Nicholas Tartaglioni shouldn't have
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even been in the same wing as Jeffrey Epstein, unless,
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of course, you're in GP. When you're in general population, folks, lifers,
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people doing short time, everyone's mixed together right now. The
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only way that you can get out of that environment
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is if you piece up. You know, you're a child
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molester or you're a gang dropout, some shit like that,
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and you piecee up and you go to the protected yard.
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But Epstein and Tartaglioni, they should not have been together.
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When Epstein is a high priority, high value convict, somebody
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that should be in a solitary confinement environment at the
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very least until you know the trial and you can
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get him situated somewhere and figure out what sort of
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celly he should have. But this is the kind of
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dude that if he was to go into general population,
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what would happen is he'd walk into whatever jail he
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was at. Right the shot caller for his race, being
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a white guy, it would be insert crazy ass, weird
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skinhead gang here, a white supremacist gang here. They check him. Yo,
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let's see your paperwork, call me what's up? What are
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you in for? And if you're a Chomo child molester
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pedophile like Epstein, then you have three days to pc
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up or you're greenlit and you know it varies, might
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be a couple of different you know, timeframes or whatever,
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but usually three to seven days that's the time frame
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you're given to PC up and get off the yard
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because you're not rolling with their car. If you're there
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for for hurting children or shit like that, you are
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not rolling in any of their cars. You're gonna go
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to a protective yard, and you're gonna end up sitting
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at the Chomo table on the protective yard. But Tartaglioni
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and Jeffrey Epstein should never ever ever be next to
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each other. Now, of course you have Tartaglioni being an
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ex cop. He could also end up in pc right
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on the protected yard, and that's probably where he's gonna
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end up when he goes to prison when all of
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this is said and done, But when they're both waiting transit,
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when they're both awaiting, you know, to be sentenced. There's
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no reason for these two to be put together, no
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reason at all. And I would think that this would
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be a much bigger point of contention with people who
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are you know, interested in reform in prison and in jail,
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people like me, because let me tell you what, I
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am way interested in reform in jail. I am way
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interested in rehabilitation. I'm not interested in locking people away
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like animals and forgetting about them. That is just not
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a society that I'm willing to be part of or
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want to take part in. We need to rehabilitate people
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who can be rehabilitated. You mean to tell me somebody
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who's in there for a petty drug offense has no
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chance to make a comeback. Somebody in there for some
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you know, white collar crime has no chance to make
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a comeback. Of course they do. See, it's not about
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how fantastic you can handle yourself when things are going right.
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It's about when there's some adversity about how you come back.
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The way you pick yourself up off of the mat
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always easy to you know, a backup front runner. Not
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so easy when you hit the canvas for the first
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time and you have to pick yourself back up and
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keep going. So I'm all for people being rehabilitated, and
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there needs to be the infrastructure within our prison systems
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in America to offer that to the people who really
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want to change their lives and want to change. But
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it is quite obvious that the way things are going
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currently in the Department of Corrections the Department of Justice,
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that things are foul bar things are messed up, and
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things need to be fixed. But unless we hold people
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accountable that are in these positions of power within the
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Department of Corrections, within the Department of Justice, then it's
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just going to continually happen over and old again, and
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the cycle will repeat itself. If there's no punishment for
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the people who are in charge when this shit goes south,
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what kind of motivation is that gonna give to the
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next guy or girl that gets put into that position
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to do anything different. If all you're gonna do is
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get shuffled to a new prison when shit goes south
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as the warden, then what incentive is there for you
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to do a good job and to make things better?
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There is none, so that all has to be fixed.
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And look, I don't have all of the answers. I
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don't know shit about prison, really, like as far as
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you know how to administer a prison, or I don't
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know anything about it. But obviously the people who are
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being paid to to know about it and to facilitate
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and administer these prisons, obviously they don't know what the
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fuck they're doing either. So there's that at the very least,
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at the very least, the minimal effort should be made,
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but we don't even see that from these institutions. And
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it's pretty damn sad. And when you see a guy
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like Nicholas Tartaglioni being put in a cell with a
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guy like Jeffrey Epstein and then all of the other
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things that occur occur after, that sure makes you wonder,
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doesn't it. And it sure makes you think that the
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official narrative is full holes. All right? So today our
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article is from the Record online dot com and it's
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the Times Herald Record headline, prosecutors detail how they believe
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Tartaglioni killed his victims. This article was authored by Heather
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Yakin and it was originally published on September twenty fourth
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of two thousand and nineteen. White Plains. That's in Westchester,
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New York. After learning martin Luna to a Chester bar
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and restraining Luna and three other victims, Nicholas Tartaglioni beat Luna,
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put a plastic zip tie around his neck, and choked
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him to death, Prosecutors said in legal papers filed in
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White Plains Federal Court. Huh sounds familiar. Huh. How did
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Epstein go? Oh, he was choked? Wasn't he? I know,
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just another coincidence. Obviously Tartaglioni isn't the guy who clipped him.
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That's not what I'm getting at here. The point is
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what was Tartaglioni doing in that jail cell in the
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first place? A lot of questions. Was he there to
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send a message? Was he there to intimidate? What was
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he there for? The harrowing details were revealed in documents
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the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York,
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filed in response to pre trial motions submitted to the
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court by Tartaglioni's defense team. The statements represent the first
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time the government has revealed how they believe Tartaglioni, of
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the town of Crawford killed Luna. Now this is The
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crazy part of this story that is not really talked
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about too much is that Luna is or was an
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operator for the cartel. Now, I haven't really been able
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to find too much information about which cartel he was
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rolling with, but there are you know, the usual suspects,
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obviously Sineloa, you know CJNG, you know Golf Cartel. There's
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several different suspects. But from the little bit that I
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have been able to glean, it looks like he was
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connected to the Cinaloans in some regard. Now, you all
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know the deal down in Mexico when it comes to
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narco trafficking, and you know that they don't play games
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down there, and they're not certainly not playing no games
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with some gringo cop from America. So obviously Tartaglioni was
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brazen enough to clip this dude. So what that leads
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me to believe is Tartaglioni wasn't working on his own
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some sort of organization backing him. They were making a
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play and looking to move in on Luna and his
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production or moving of the product. Now, again I'm not
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too sure all of the details of you know, Luna's
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operation or what was going on. But we're talking about
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multiple keys here, right, So we're not talking about small
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time operation. When we start getting into keys, multiple keys,
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especially a kilo is two point two pounds of cocaine,
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you're talking about a lot of blow. We're talking about,
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you know, a roughly twenty thousand dollars street value, twenty
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four thousand dollars street value. It all depends, but we're
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talking about a lot of money here. And if Luna
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was working as an operator for say, the Cineloa cartel,
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and Tartaglioni moved in on him like this, you would
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think that Tartaglioni is for sure going to be greenlit
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once he hits the yard in prison. Now, I am
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not too sure how that's gonna work out for him,
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if he's gonna go state or if it'll end up
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being a federal crime. Probably state considering, but who knows
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what the government is gonna get up to. But if
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he ends up in state prison in New York, he'll
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definitely p se up. If he ends up in federal prison,
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he'll definitely pc up. But the Mexican mafia and the cartel,
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they definitely work hand in hand, And anybody who thinks
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or tells you that the Hispanics aren't running the prison systems.
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They're lying to you because the Hispanic car is running
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the prison systems pretty much in the whole entire country.
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La m is a very very very powerful organization and
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they work hand in hand with people like the cartel.
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So you know all of those gangs with the thirteen
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after their names, Yeah, all of those gangs check in
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with Lame. So we're talking about a lot of gang members,
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a lot of hitters, and a lot of people that
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if there's a green light put on you, that are
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gonna be looking to collect a scalp. So Tartaglioni knowing
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all of that, being a cop, obviously he understood all
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of that, still was brazen enough to clip this dude
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and three other people. So that leads me to believe
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that Tartaglioni was working with some sort of clandestine group
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that we are not aware of yet, the mafia perhaps
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perhaps another cartel that was looking to move in and
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take over this business. Because again, look, you're gonna need
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a supplier, right if if you're selling weight, if you're
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moving weight, you're gonna need a supplier. You're gonna need
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somebody that can provide that weight for you to move.
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You're not nickel and diamond from the local drug dealer.
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So was Tartaglioni moving in to become the supplier with
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the help of somebody else. See, there's a lot to
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this story that we still don't know. Prosecutor have sought
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the death penalty against Tartaglioni fifty one, a former briarcliff
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manor police officer, in the abductions and deaths of Luna
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and three other Middletown men, Miguel Luna, Urbano Santiago and
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Hector Gutierrez. Assistant US attorneys Maureen Comy, Oh we know
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that name, don't we and Jason Swergold wrote in their
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filing that the government will prove the case at trial
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based on testimony from witnesses, physical evidence, surveillance videos, phone records,
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text messages, and other documentary evidence. So it looks like
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they got the goods on old boy, right. And now again,
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ask yourself, after all we've just talked about here and
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us just being you know, novices, We don't work for
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the prison department or anything like that. Does it sound
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like a good idea? To put this guy in a
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cell with Jeffrey Epstein on what planet is that a
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good idea? On April twenty sixteen, prosecutors say Tartaglioni lured
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Luna to Liquid Lounge in Chester because he believed that
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Luna had stolen money meant to buy cocaine. The defendant
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planned to hold Luna at the Liquid Lounge, where he
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would attempt to force Luna to disclose the location of
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the stolen money and would kill Luna if he refused
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to return the money. The defendant enlisted others to assist
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him with this plan. Prosecutors wrote in the paper, again,
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this isn't something that was just concocted overnight by Tartaglioni, right,
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This is probably a plan that was laid out, and
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to me, it looks like there is or was a
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dispute about product, about who was going to provide product
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and who was going to middleman that product once it
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arrived on site. So this is how you get a
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lot of the violence in the War on drugs when
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you have people battling over turf oversupply and who is
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going to move that supply once it drops into their lap,
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and a lot of times you end up with big
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time violence, folks. When there's a power struggle or when
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there's a move to remove the middleman and become that
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middleman yourself. There's always a struggle to do that. I
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shouldn't say always, because sometimes you can just you know,
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make your move more powerful than the other guy or whatever,
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and you make your move. But for the most part,
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there's always a struggle there, and it looks like that's
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what was going on here in my opinion anyway. Because
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Luna was unaware of the true nature of the meeting,
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he brought three companions with him on April eleventh, twenty sixteen,
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his nephew Urbano Santiago, his nephew Miguel Luna, and his
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friend Hector Gutierrez. The defendant and his co conspirators did
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not expect the other three victims to accompany Luna to
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the Liquid Lounge. When the victims arrived at the Liquid Lounge,
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all four were physically restrained and not permitted to leave
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the premises. Sounds exactly like the way the cartel operates
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in Mexico. Huh, sounds like TARTAGLIONI sure how a blueprint
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he was working out of and again, I don't know
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who he was working with, but he has to get
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the product from somewhere. If he's slanging cocaine, you know
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that if he's moving weight, inevitably he's gonna come into
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contact with an associate of the cartel. If you're moving weight,
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that's just the way it goes. Cocaine, especially, There's just
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no way around it. If you're doing cocaine, or you're
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selling cocaine, or that shit came through Mexico, Folks, one
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carteller or the other safeguarded that all the way through
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the border, got it to America into the hands of
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your dope dealer, and then write up your old nose.
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The fact remains some cartel in Mexico was handling that blow.
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At some point, Prosecutors say, Tartaglioni repeatedly struck Martin Luna,
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then eventually put a plastic zip tie around Luna's neck
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and pulled it tight, choke Luna and ultimately killing him again.
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This is the guy you want to put in a
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cell with, Jeffrey Epstein. This is the guy that you're
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gonna put in there with such a high profile inmate.
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Who made that decision and why isn't that man or
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woman fired from their job. You mean to tell me
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that person isn't held responsible for that boneheaded decision? How
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come you and I have to be responsible at our
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jobs for our behavior. How Come I have to be
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responsible for everything I say on this podcast, But these
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dudes don't have to be responsible for something like that.
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It's a joke, an absolute travesty, and there's no accountability
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whatsoever any time something like this goes wrong. Tartaglioni took
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Luna's body to his property on Old Mountain Road near Otisville,
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and his co conspirators brought the other three men, still
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alive and bound to the property. Prosecutors wrote, Now imagine
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the other three dudes how they feel. They just see
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their boy get choked to death with the zip tie.
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They're all restrained, they're all held at gunpoint. Now they're
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being transferred to some farm somewhere. Especially dudes that are
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from Mexico, they understand what's happening right now. This is
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a typical cartel tactic. Cartel swoop up, snatch a bunch
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of people that are operators for another organization, torture one,
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have the others watch torture the next have the others watch.
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Oh did I mention though, that the cartel's film all
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of this so that they can brag about it and
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put it on the internet to intimidate their ops, because
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that's what the cartel does. Stretch seems like TARTAGLIONI was
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taking a page out of their book here, right, except obviously,
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I don't think anyway that there was any videotaping going on.
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Upon arriving at Otisville property, the three remaining victims were
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each shot in the back of the head and killed,
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The prosecutors wrote. The defendant personally shot one of the
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three victims himself. So again, what sort of cold calculated
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scumbag do you have to be to engage in this
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sort of behavior. First of all, kill somebody with a
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zip tie. You know how brutal that must be. It's
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like a garrot. Think about that for a minute. The
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force that must be needed with one of those zip
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ties to choke the life out of somebody. That's a
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fucking brutal way to go. And this is the guy
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you're gonna put into Jeffrey Epstein's cell. Then all of
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a sudden, you put this guy in the cell of Epstein.
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Now Epstein's assaulted, he says, but oh, we might have
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tried to commit suicide, and everybody's just gonna default and think, ah,
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Epstein tried to kill himself. Don't make no sense to me,
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that line of thought. Don't make no sense to me whatsoever. Folks.
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This is a violent a violent man who had no
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business ever being in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein. The
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four men were buried in a mass grave on the property.
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Their families reported them missing, and police in Chester soon
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found the vehicle. They drove to Chester part near a diner.
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Federal prosecutors, the FBI, and state police joined the investigation.
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They arrested Tartaglioni on December nineteenth, twenty and sixteen, and
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recovered the bodies the next day. So that dude had
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himself a nice little Christmas huh, And then languishing in
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jail from twenty and sixteen all the way through twenty
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and nineteen. Why was he even still at MCC Why
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hasn't this dude's child been over and done with and
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convicted and gone, Oh, that's right, that had the pause
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the trial over the Epstein stuff, didn't they? You know? Folks,
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there's a whole lot here to unpack. The whole Tartaglione
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situation has smelled completely off and weird to me from
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the jump. Now again, I'm not saying Tartaglioni killed Epstein,
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that's ridiculous. My statement is why was he put in
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there in the first place. That's the question, and there's
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no logical answer for it. The papers filed by prosecutors
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also include a transcript of conversations between Tartaglioni and state
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police investigators who picked him up near his home on
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Long Lane in the town of Crawford. They had stopped
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his wife in the jeep she was driving, using her
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ruse to get Tartaglioni to them. They told her they
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were investigating a road rage case and asked her to
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call her husband to come meet them on the roadway.
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Imagine that, huh, cops going after cops. That's a nice change.
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According to the documents, Tartaglioni initially told the investigators, I'm
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a cop. He agreed to the troopers. He agreed to
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go to the trooper barracks to discuss the road rage.
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Investigators activated a recorder in their vehicle before Tartaglioni entered.
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So I guess he's such a scumbag that he was
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road raging so often that they could just use that
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as an excuse to have him come down. I mean,
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who road rages these days? What the hell is wrong
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with you? Dude? Calm down, take it easy. Immediately after
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investigator Hammer entered the car and without prompting, the defendants
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spontaneously stated, this isn't about road rage. This is about
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the missing Mexicans, isn't it. Prosecutors wrote in their papers.
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They told him they needed his help finding the missing men,
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and they spoke to him on the drive about his
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interactions with the men. Prosecutors wrote, and you would think
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Tartaglioni would know better being a cop himself than to
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run his fat yeap. But here we are a lot
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of these people with these narcissism problems. They just can't
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help themselves. According to the transcript, Tartaglioni told police he
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knew Martin Luna and one of the other men because
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they worked for him on the old Mountain Road property,
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helping to put up horses, horse fences, and other jobs
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for a dog lug and horse animal rescue, Tartaglioni and
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his wife ran. He said he had sold Luna in
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old Mercedes SUV, but Luna hadn't paid and returned the suv,
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and he suspected Luna was involved in drugs and the cartel. Oh,
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he suspected. Huh, you knew exactly what Luna was involved in, Tartaglioni,
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or as they used to call you in the neighborhood,
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Tat tat. You knew what you were up to. You
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knew that this dude was in the cartel, and you
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knew that you were making a move. Tartaglioni said he
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hadn't seen the men since March, but knew from the
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news that four men were missing. He said he'd heard
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the two of them were in Mexico, and he suggested
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that the men of the men might have taken off
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for Colombia. I don't know. That doesn't make any sense Colombia.
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Why would Mexican nationals take off to Colombia. They would
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go back to Mexico, to their people, back to their cartel,
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back to their enclave. They wouldn't take off to Mexico.
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At the barracks, police read tartaglionia rights and questioned him
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for about forty seven minutes, at which point he invoked
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the right to a lawyer. Prosecutors wrote, the investigators protested
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him for arrest and took him to White Plains Federal
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Court for presentment on the murder charges. So that's the guy, folks,
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that they put in his cell with Jeffrey Epstein, and
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they knew who he was. Twenty sixteen, this all occurred.
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So again I'm not sitting here saying TARTAGLIONI killed Epstein.
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That's ridiculous. We know that didn't occur. But did he
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assault him that first time? Was he there to pass
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on a message? What in the hell was somebody facing
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a four time murder rap doing in his cell with
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dorky ass, bitch ass Jeffrey Epstein? That is the question.
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