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Crime Roundup_ Inside the Zone 7 Live 10-8 Event at Manuel’s Tavern, and the 10- · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Y'all welcome to Zone seven. Tonight is gonna be a party,
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: is all I can take. I got Joshua Schiffer and
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Franz Bordhart. Y'all ate ready. If you're driving, you might
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: need to pull over. I'm telling you we have just
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: had one of the best evenings I have ever had
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: at Manual's Tavern, the original Zone seven.
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: You don't remember many of those. I should just note,
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: like the memory level at Manuel's is brief.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: That's valid. That's valid.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: I quick drink in two thousand and eight, even I've
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: got nights that I don't remember there right, that spot
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: is let.
• 0:51
  Speaker 3: You could not have picked a better spot.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: It was perfect for what we wanted. And josh when
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: we first started talking about doing this, and we were like, yes,
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: let's do it. There's no doubt we've got to, you know,
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: have our other friends and y'all we invited you know,
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: Jerryon Shepherd and Susan Hendrix and Joe Scott Morgan and
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: of course Brons He's with us tonight like we said,
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: and Nancy Grays. Y'all. The walls came off the place.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you people, they thought they were ready.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: They thought they knew what this event was going to be,
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: but let me just give y' all a brief little thing.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: We decided instead of doing our normal thing where we
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: take a case and kind of dissect it for you,
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: we thought, let's do a real Zone seven. Let's do
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: what we used to do at Manuel's Tavern, and it's
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: all get in one room and you know, have a
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: meal together and share some stories and talk about our
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: cases that are well known or unknown, and talk about
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: our background. How did we get here? And Josh, they
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: were not disappointed, were they?
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: It was awesome because so from the I've never done
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: this before, don't know quite what to expect, and have
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: drug fronds, and you know, I brought my daughter and
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, we're gonna go do this. It
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: was amazing because it was super organic because of just
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: who was there, Like you walk in and this was
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: just an ideal venue because it's super friendly. It's this
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: historic bar. For people that don't know this is one
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: of those legendary Atlanta bars. It's actually you know, on
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: the east side over towards Decatur, but it's been a
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: legendary political cop you know, protest bar for fifty years
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: and it's got this great room, and I walked in
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: at five point thirty and it was just packed. Every
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: single table was full. The whole room turns around and
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: starts chattering and seeing this and You're like, what is this?
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: But it just started off with Hey, let's start talking,
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: telling some stories, and the next thing you know, it
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: was just story after story from people who just want
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: to show up and share. Absolutely a really cool experience
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: for me, and I definitely the feedback from the audience
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: was just overwhelming.
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: Overwhelming. But y'all, in the most classic Zone seven fashion,
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: Josh and Franz are talking. I get in this little
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: group chat and Franz is like, no, I'm coming, This
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: will be great. I've already booked my ticket. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: If you're coming, Oh, you're gonna be front and center, Sugar,
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: there ain't no doubt. People are gonna lose their mind.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: And he's like, no, no, I just want to come
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: and support. I am background. I wouldn't having that, no, sir, ree.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: If he was coming and he's already bought a ticket,
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: y'all think hen I'm gonna get behind that microphone if
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: I've got breath in my lungs. So let me tell
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: you he led off for us because poor Dave Mack
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: from Body Bags, Dave was coming. Dave had a flat
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: tire on nine twenty trying to get here from Alabama.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: You know, Franz is like, hey, not a problem. He
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: starts us off. Franz, would you please tell everybody how
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: you just got into the microphone, not a note card,
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: not an outline, and just commanded that room so beautifully.
• 4:17
  Speaker 4: Well, you're you're very sweet to say all those wonderfully
• 4:20
  Speaker 4: kind things. And it is true that I bought the
• 4:22
  Speaker 4: ticket not to be you know, I like making things
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  Speaker 4: about me.
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: I like it. Johns will tell you Prosie, But but.
• 4:33
  Speaker 4: I really did buy the ticket so that I could
• 4:36
  Speaker 4: just come and visit and watch the show, because, like anybody,
• 4:39
  Speaker 4: I'm into this. Standing up in that room, though, I'll
• 4:43
  Speaker 4: say this, it was like having a conversation with a
• 4:46
  Speaker 4: bunch of friends about about cases and things in the system.
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: That and what I really liked was the fact that
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  Speaker 4: you had an intermingling of all sorts of law enforcement.
• 4:57
  Speaker 4: You had former prosecutors, prosecutors, defense attorneys, you had crime
• 5:02
  Speaker 4: scene folks and detective I felt in good company, right,
• 5:07
  Speaker 4: you know, and and I mainly you know, the funniest was,
• 5:12
  Speaker 4: I was sitting there thinking about, Okay, what are the
• 5:14
  Speaker 4: cases I want to talk about? And I kind of
• 5:16
  Speaker 4: alluded to, you know, at one point I represented a
• 5:19
  Speaker 4: guy named Sea Murder, a rapper's named Sea Murder who
• 5:22
  Speaker 4: was accused of murder.
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  Speaker 3: Ain't out a bitch.
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  Speaker 4: But the one I enjoyed talking about, the one that
• 5:31
  Speaker 4: I got to tell you guys, the one that that
• 5:32
  Speaker 4: kind of kickstarted my career was the serial killer case.
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: I was on in Baton Rouge.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I geeked out on that case that
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  Speaker 4: we had three killers. We had three serial killers, all
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  Speaker 4: three have been convicted in Baton Rouge, and I represented
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  Speaker 4: the third of the three, Jeffrey Gillery, And so I
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  Speaker 4: just told told the story about what it was like
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  Speaker 4: to sit next to us serial killer for two weeks
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  Speaker 4: and try case and the prep a case.
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  Speaker 3: And the funniest was my defense.
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  Speaker 4: My defense was that the victim in the case, God
• 6:05
  Speaker 4: Rest her soul, actually knew and hung out with another
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  Speaker 4: of the serial killers. She was an associate of Sean Gillis.
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  Speaker 4: Sean Gillis in fact referenced her when he was spilling
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  Speaker 4: his guts and confessing to his crimes. Now, of course
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  Speaker 4: he didn't kill her, he didn't confess to killing her,
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  Speaker 4: but that certainly didn't stop me from pointing the finger.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, ultimately, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: in good old fashioned criminal forensic style, that was the
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  Speaker 4: DNA case.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what's so crazy, I didn't even know
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: you represented c murder. And when you said that, I'm like,
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: I can remember being on Nancy Gray saying, well, that's
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: going to be a workaround right there. That's the first
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  Speaker 1: thing you got to get over with that jury.
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  Speaker 4: The best part, the best part of that case was
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  Speaker 4: our case was he shot.
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  Speaker 3: It was all on video. He shot a gun at
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  Speaker 3: a nightclub.
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  Speaker 4: Now it really wasn't a murder case, but he had
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  Speaker 4: a murder case and another parish and it was all
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  Speaker 4: on video.
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  Speaker 3: Walks into the door, they metal detect.
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  Speaker 4: Him, and he doesn't want to he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 4: empty his pockets because he has a gun on him,
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  Speaker 4: and essentially, essentially it leads to a shooting. But that's
• 7:16
  Speaker 4: not the best part. The best part was the club owner,
• 7:20
  Speaker 4: the true victim of the crime, sued him and his label,
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  Speaker 4: claiming that it was a promotion to a record that
• 7:28
  Speaker 4: he had coming out, so that the whole thing was
• 7:30
  Speaker 4: really not real.
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: It was out of Chase.
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  Speaker 2: Chase, that money man, Chase right right, So our defense
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  Speaker 2: things for money.
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  Speaker 4: So our defense after that civil suit was filed, our
• 7:41
  Speaker 4: defense became, yeah, this really wasn't an attempted murder. This
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  Speaker 4: was a promotional item, because what do you do, guys,
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  Speaker 4: what do you do when your client's on video with
• 7:51
  Speaker 4: a gun fire and a gun You lean into what
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  Speaker 4: you got?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you got You gotta work brilliant, you gotta
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: work with it.
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  Speaker 4: Ultimately, on that before everybody came to their senses and
• 8:03
  Speaker 4: we started picking a jury.
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  Speaker 3: He ended up pleading.
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  Speaker 4: He ended up pleading to the club shooting because his
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  Speaker 4: bigger fish to fry was the murder case and the
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  Speaker 4: other parish. And ultimately we got him a wonderful deal
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  Speaker 4: on and look, being called c murder, he didn't do
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  Speaker 4: himself any favors, right, So it was look, bigger picture, guys, bigger.
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  Speaker 3: Pictures, Cheryl. It was so much fun getting to hang out.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the highlight for me was little old me
• 8:31
  Speaker 4: sitting there talking on the mic. Nancy Grace comes in
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  Speaker 4: at the beginning of my talk, and she, of course
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  Speaker 4: now knows who I am, which how funny is that
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  Speaker 4: that Nancy Grace knows who Franz Borkard is. She made
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  Speaker 4: a comment about oh Barkart's.
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  Speaker 3: On the mic. I got that story for the rest
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  Speaker 3: of my life. Guys, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Josh, you and I were sitting there
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: at one point and we're like, you know what, there
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: are people in this room that came from Indiana, in Ohio,
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: in Louisiana, not just Frian's but other people from Louisiana
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: and Florida and of course Georgia. Crazy. It was unbelievable.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: But you know, when you took the mic, let me
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: tell you that, Oh stop, but this is what I love.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: Not only do you start telling the stories, but you're
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: so great at incorporating what you did at your trial college,
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  Speaker 1: that camp, that inclusive. Here we all are and again
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: given homage to your mentor, and that I think set
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  Speaker 1: the tone for that room with you to say, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, they're telling us intimate stories. How did I
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  Speaker 1: get here? How do I framem Cay's I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: tell you and I loved that story.
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  Speaker 2: I have a firm belief that not necessarily the technical
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  Speaker 2: parts of trialry, but the personal parts of trialaoring can
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  Speaker 2: be done by any single person given some time and attention.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: There is not an intelligence floor that you must be
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: this smart to tell a good story, because stories are
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: about feelings, and we have been conditioned by our culture,
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  Speaker 2: by our universe to tamp down so much of our
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: natural expressiveness, the expressiveness that would exist without the artificial constructs.
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  Speaker 2: We got to actually work at how do you let
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  Speaker 2: that storytelling out? And the best way to do that
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: is to show it. And and that's what I try
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  Speaker 2: to do with any talk is just think about, you know,
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: this room, these people, what stories are they going to
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: want to be engaged in and listen to. Because if
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: you're paying attention to your listener, that that's going to
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: get you to tell a story that means something to them.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: It's you're approaching it from their perspective. And I just
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: love when you're, like Fran said, in this incredible room
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  Speaker 2: of people that was warm and trustworth and was there
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  Speaker 2: out of genuine interest and care. These were people that
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  Speaker 2: have the connections that I think are really special and
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  Speaker 2: that I want to know about. So I just like
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  Speaker 2: being with those kinds of people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and let me let me add this.
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  Speaker 4: Josh and I know each other because of the Jerry
• 11:30
  Speaker 4: Spence Trial Lawyers College. I met Josh at one of
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: their graduate programs in Wyoming. We had, in fact, had
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: a dorm right next to each other. We smoked cigars
• 11:38
  Speaker 4: with each other, and what few people know is it
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  Speaker 4: was such a wonderful experience. We got to bring cases
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: up with us, and nobody knows. Josh knows because he
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: was there. At one point. It was Jerry Spence working
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: with us on cases that were tough and complex. And
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  Speaker 4: I raised my hand, I was a public defender, raised
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  Speaker 4: my hand and said, mister Spence, how do you've wader
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: if your client is accused of being a serial killer?
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: And to his credit, he was like, well, that's a
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: good question. Is your client a serial killer? You know?
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  Speaker 4: And we've wad deer. I had Jerry Spence working on
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  Speaker 4: the case. Josh's in the room and small world.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's the special magic of some of those
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: gatherings and the power of a group, because that universe,
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: especially when Jerry was there and active in the college,
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: it was the best group of lawyers the world could
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: have met. The volunteer staff were people that you know,
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: literally former US attorneys, some of the most famous military
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: attorneys of all time, the legends of personal injury, the
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: guys that literally get the gigantic front page news verdicts.
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  Speaker 2: And then for that fifteen twenty years, you couldn't pick
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: up the newspaper and see a big legal issue without
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: being like, I bet I know a trial or as
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: college person that was associated with that in some way.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: And it's because Jerry teaches all about the storytelling and
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  Speaker 2: teaches that how are you going to tell your client's
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  Speaker 2: story if you can't tell your story? And the way
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: that you find your story is by doing self examination.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: And this is where a lot of people get kind
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: of ikeyed out, because there's a lot of what can
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: be graciously described as group therapy where you use these
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: psychological tools called psychodrama to act out and to put
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: into motion of different parts of lives, different storytellings, and
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: those tools are being used therapeutically to tell the lawyer's stories.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that all lawyers to a degree are
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  Speaker 2: broken people. So we get the benefit of kind of
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: doing therapy with each other. But at the same time,
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: those tools of putting emotions and feelings into action and
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: reaching back through time and space and painting visceral pictures
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  Speaker 2: of incidents. If you can teach lawyers to do that,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna make them more effective trial lawyers. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what we all became. And I can go down a
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: list of a couple hundred of us that are some
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: of the most prominent lawyers in the nation, and we
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: all have that kind of special connection. And I remember
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: vividly the young Franz public defender. There's a funny story
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  Speaker 2: about Franz in a tent and there was a lack
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: of space, so Franz was gonna maybe be in this
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: big old army tent. And we're like, Franz, now, man,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: we'll get your room in the dorm. And he goes, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm good in the tent and we're like, no, no, Franz, man,
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  Speaker 2: this is the middle of nowhere, wound like this is
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  Speaker 2: east of the Continental Divide. You walk off the ranch,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna die, like it is next to the Native reservation.
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  Speaker 2: Franz is like no, no, no, no. In the tent, We're like, no, dude,
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  Speaker 2: come on, come into the barn Man. We got room.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there was only one other person that was in
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  Speaker 2: the tent, and this was a large tent.
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  Speaker 3: This was a military grade tent like with rooms and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, just so happened that the other person staying
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  Speaker 2: in the tent was one of the more beautiful and
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: striking pro lawyers. And it was like, oh, never mind,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: gets to see her all day, gotcha, never mind.
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  Speaker 1: Rons is a wilderness man. All of a sudden, I
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: got you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good girl.
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  Speaker 4: Let me say this. It's July in the middle of Wyoming.
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  Speaker 4: Titan Mountains are in the background, and it's snowing in July.
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  Speaker 4: And for the tent, they had set up a shower
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  Speaker 4: outside of the tent in a little box space, and
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I'm like taking it and keeping.
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  Speaker 3: Part of it.
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  Speaker 4: This sounds if it sounds a little ridiculous. They've set
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: up the tent. Yeah, they set up into the tent
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: in part because they were letting indigent defenders come to
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: this event and who couldn't afford their offices, couldn't afford
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: afford the cost of the tuition there, so they would
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: give out scholarships and hey, if you're willing to sleep
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  Speaker 4: in tent. We're gonna knock off a little bit of
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: your tuition costs. And I was like to learn from
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: from Jerry Spence and some of the best attorneys in
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: the country. I'll sleep outside done. And that's it was
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: just it. You can't we're not doing it justice describing it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: But I remember sitting around a bonfire at one point Sheheryl.
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  Speaker 3: In the middle of July, and I'm like, you know.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: I'm from South Louisiana, and I'm like, what are these
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: little white, flaky things coming down?
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  Speaker 3: It was snowing in July.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: My word, it's so wild that there's literally someone hears
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: about a bear and it's like, all right, guys, there's bear.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody be you.
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  Speaker 3: It is wild.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: It is beyond wild. You can look it up. It's
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the wind River area of Wyoming. There's actually a movie
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: about it, like The wind River Killer or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's the most beautiful, striking, desolate landscape ever.
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  Speaker 2: And it's fifty to seventy five lawyers taking care of
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  Speaker 2: each other, completely stripped of all the pretense of all
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the shenanigans. We do our own dishes, we clean our
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: own bathrooms, like it was a real special special way
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: that we all learned these tools. And that's really what
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I like talking about, are those tools because they can
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: be applied throughout your life with storytelling. And that's what
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: good lawyering is. It's why I think we like true crime.
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  Speaker 2: We like good stories. The drama of humanity is a
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  Speaker 2: universe touchstone that very clearly a lot of people that
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: think like me and I get along with enjoy the
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: true crime universe because of those stories. That's what drives
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: us and it's why this is so enjoyable for us.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Right now. My favorite story is friends basically saying to you, Josh,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: you touch my luggage, I'll kill you. Yeah. I think
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: that's the funnies think I've ever heard. No, No, I'm
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: good in the tent trust me. But you know, Zone
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: seven is that way. The original manuals was that for me.
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  Speaker 1: We had defense attorneys, we had probation officers and crime
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  Speaker 1: seen investigators and detectives. Everybody's at the same table enjoying
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the stories, enjoying the conversation and learning from each other.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: And when I hear you know, the younger rookies and
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: younger detectives today talking about I would never be friends
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: with a defense attorney, a baby, you're gonna need one.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: You're gonna need one one day somehow, either you or
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: somebody you love. And Two, why in the world does
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: it have to be that it's not us against them.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: We're on the same team, really, because the way I
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: look at Josh is Josh is gonna keep me honest.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: He's gonna keep me doing my job the best that
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Let me say this, and to Josh, you may have
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: experienced something similar. Some of my best client referrals have
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: been from law enforcement or prosecutors who found out that
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: they had someone in their lives that needed help. And look,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: I ain't gonna get religious, you know, I'm not religious, Josh,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: but I will say it happened this week. I had
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: one of my law enforcement buddies who's retired reach out
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: to me because his son may have cancer, and he
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: was like, would you say a prayer for my son?
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, you damn right, I will done. So
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: it's it's it. It doesn't have to be in the courtroom.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: It's war outside of the courtroom. It doesn't have to be,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: and it shouldn't be. And candidly, if we're all doing
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: our jobs, right. I mean I want to be able
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: to go up to a forensic scientist and say, hey,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: let's talk about this, you know, and and for them
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: and I to be able to have an intellectually honest
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: conversation about like something that is just something that we
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: both find to be fascinated and interesting and especially in
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: cases we're not really working, those are the best conversations.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, and that's when the real work
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: can get done. Let's all get in a room, tell
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the truth, figure out the best course of action. Everybody
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: don't need to go to jail and.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: The learning like that. If you want to increase your
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the quality of your work product, whatever that is, as
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: an officer, as an investigator, as a lawyer, you being
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: exposed to other good practitioners is where you just get it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You can read it in a book, It is nothing
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: like the experience of being there. And that also gets
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to the magic of the moment. Going back to what
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Cheryl was talking about a few minutes ago, with the
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: original gatherings at Manny's, you can never create that magical
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: moment again. That's something that I learned through Trial Loras
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: College was we try to haunt these memories and recreate,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and it took getting to the piece that Nope, that
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: magic was that moment and that serendipity and a bit
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: of creation. Not to get too religious, that moment of
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: creation is truly unique and it will never be that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: way again, and that is a good positive memory and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: it can serve as an inspiration for future gatherings. But
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: rather than go recreate, let's just go back and honor
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and care about those times that we had. And that
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: helps us process and remember the most important parts from it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Because when we've gotten to the idea of that's done,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: that's wrapped up, that was a discreete moment, we can
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: fully process it, get the lessons from it, and then
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: apply in the future trying to get back to those
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: parts that make us feel so special that really bring
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: us together. Because that moment when you all are just
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: connected and doing the right stuff, doing the work, getting forward, man,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you feel it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It's special and you know you couldn't deny what was
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: happening in that room because for me several things were
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: just it transcended anything we thought was going to happen.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: But watching Fraunds with Jackie Howard, I loved that they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: were laughing, they were talking about Nancy. I'm sure they
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: were just cute as they could be. But to be
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: together in that room in that moment was so special.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: It was awesome, it was real, and it was such
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: an honor to be such a yes. So like I
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: have my little cute p the pinbacks actually arrived tomorrow.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: A young fan made me the most adorable little clay
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: set of glasses that I'm making a pin out of
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and crocheted this incredible little glasses holder that sits next
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: to my bed. The nicest people, and just seeing everybody,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and like, I don't get to see Susan Hendrix all
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the time, like I jump into her every once in
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a while, but.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I was getting to. The second thing I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: enjoyed was the two of y'all. Oh my gosh, she
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is one of the most generous, kind fun but the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: two of y'all. I just enjoyed that dynamic. Just watching, Okay,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: all of these people that I love and I respect
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm friends with, We're all in the same room
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and something really good is fixing to happen.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: The funniest piece for me was I was talking to
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Miss Jackie and she's like, are you going to crime Con?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: And I looked at her and I said, miss Jackie,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I don't really consider myself a true crime guy. And
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: she looked at me like I had horns on my
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: head and I said, I just don't. I don't see
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: myself that way. And she she was like, are you
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: full of shit? Or something like like you know, And
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: it was really funny because she was like pulling up
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: true Crime, the crime con advertisement on her phone. It's like,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: you going to this Franz, right, And I was like, yes,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: miss Jackie, Yeah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a crime con like no other, like
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: no other.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: People don't understand Franz. And until recently me had a
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: full day like Franz is gonna get up and go
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to work tomorrow and do like the whole full day
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: lawyer thing all day. And then when he gets a
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: break in the action Court TV's kind of always asking him, hey,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: can you jump on this hour? Can you jump on
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: this hour? Every one of the hosts adores Franz. Then
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: he got me he's doing us. That's all literally like
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the Franz hobby because he's he and I kind of
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: share that same mentality. It's so fun to see how
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: huge that true crime universe is because it's not something
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and I think I speak for Franz that we ever
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: were like, hey, let's go do this true crime. No,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: it totally dropped in the lap because of genuine enjoyment
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and genuine and we both really like this stuff.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: But when y'all walked in that room and got the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: attention that y'all did from all of those people, you
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: had to be uber aware that hey, wait a minute,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: they know who we are. Like last year you couldn't
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: make it to Crime Con because you had a major trial,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: but you gifts for everybody. You called me and said, hey,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: there's a box for you. I sent it to the hotel.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Get it. You'll know what to do with it when
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you open it. I open this gigantic box, y'all. It's
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: his glasses, the round red ones, the green ones, the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: blue ones, the yellow ones. So I go to the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: session that I've got with Barbara Butcher. There's five hundred
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: people in that room, all wearing his glasses.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: It was so cool.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: But they were so touched that you would think of
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: them even in your absence. And what did you get?
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: You got a pen of your glasses because her mama
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: brought those glasses home, and.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: One very nice woman literally brought those glasses from crime
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: car it. Man, I'm just a josh. I'm hanging around.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I'm a single dad with a great fourteen year old.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I know people think I lead some sort of crazy Nope,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I'm a regular man. I drove a truck. The love
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and care those feel so oft like it just it.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It really is moving, and I lap it up. I
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: love that kind of care. I'll be greedy about it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: They're the nicest people.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: When I say, how you know generous Susan hendricks is,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. She brought books for everybody, charged no.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: One, And people don't get exactly how brave the career
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: pivot and that she did. What Like she totally could
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: have gone and done some fluffy stuff. And she is
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: a deeply accomplished broadcaster. She's got a built in audience.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Someone will pay her a very reasonable living to be
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: on the air somewhere. She didn't do that, and she
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: didn't do Oh here's true crime. I'm gonna go do
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: this stint. No, she picked a case that really meant something,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't believe anybody could go deeper than she has,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and I think she's going to be the expert on
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: something that I still believe. There's chapters and chapters of
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the Delphi story waiting to get told. It is it
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: remains an important part of discussion in the general crime
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and justice universe because of what we all saw happened
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: in a trial that I don't know anybody that should
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: be happy with what we saw.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Agreed, and Franz, you know another thing that I thought
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was so great. Everybody in that room knew you as
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a famous defense attorney, but you were once a prosecutor,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and of course Josh famous defense attorney. But something super
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: cool happened that night. And you know, when I introduced
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Jerryon Shepherd, Detective Shepherd, I didn't know what story he
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: might tell. I didn't know all the case or background,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: and he started talking about Melissa Wolfenberger. And for y'all
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that don't know, I have a book coming out in May,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and this is the case that jerry On and I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: worked together. And you know, we got kicked in the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That's all I can tell you, and it was not
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: what we wanted it to be. But when I tell y'all,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Susan and Josh and Joe Scott, Morgan and Nancy Grace,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: every single person helped in some way on this case. Everyone.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And so he got up and he started to talk,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and I don't think he really knew what was going
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to happen in that room. He didn't know any of
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the other people. He certainly didn't know any of the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: guests or fans or people that wanted to participate.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: He didn't.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And Franz, all of a sudden, You and Josh made
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: him feel welcome and relaxed. Joe Scott and Susan made
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: him feel great, right, And then Franz when everybody started
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: clapping and several people stood to their feet, he literally
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: took about four steps back from that microphile.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: That man.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you, we have a lot of personality
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: in the true crime world, the nature of lawyers, right,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: And so what was refreshing for me was here's a
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: guy that stands up and couldn't be more Clark Kent
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: but superman in the same clothes and very humble, very modest,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: very soft smoke. And to me he was one of
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: the most interesting. You know, Yes, it was awesome listening
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: to Nancy Grace tell stories and answer questions. But to me,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: to me, the Clark Kent superman of that of that
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: event was that detective.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: My daughter actually commented that his stories because she's seen
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: so she was really enthralled and thought that he was
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the best speaker of everybody because she she he was
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: so authentic and real and just just you. You never
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: get to hear it like that from someone like that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: It was one of those moments, like you said, Josh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, lightning might not strike twice, but he got
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: pretty freaking close.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Now that was a special unique, That was an event.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: It was just it was really everything hit so well.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: And Joe Scott Morgan, I mean he about took the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: walls down. I've known that man over thirty years. Never
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: heard that story, and y'all I ain't gonna tell it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make y'all come to something and make him
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: tell it again. It was that good. I told him,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I said, how if I never heard this story? And
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he disagree in and he went, you don't know everything
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: about me. I'm like, well, clearly.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Let me say.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Let me say this, the best looking and sounded man
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: in that room may have been him. And look again,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I have a heightened sense of self worth, as Josh
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: will tell you. But I mean, you look, I'm just
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: if I'm listening to this, if I'm listening to this episode,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: this recording, I'm wondering, how can I attend one of these?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Where can I attend one of these?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: And I know you're I know you're Lesha the Gates,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: and this is gonna be something that people can go to.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: But this is really just it was fun. It was
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: And here's the great thing to watch somebody like Nancy
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Grace because again, when she walks in that room means
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you could have robbed the bartender and nobody would have
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: seen you do a thing. And so she gets to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the microphone and she did something I thought that was
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: so genius. She's like, y'all know all my stories. I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: gonna take all your questions as long as you have questions, y'all.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: She must have taken a hundred questions. And I'm not kidding.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Stay like she was awesome.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Stayed yeah, And it was like it was like you're
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: on the show man. It was real Nancy. There was
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: no you know, gentle hint, No, there was it was
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the real Nancy.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: It was the real Nancy, and it was the real
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Nancy own Faya because she's great behind a microphone, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: when she's got a live audience that she can make
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: laugh or gasp or mad.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, she was having a fun time for someone who's
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a professional talker, getting that small format, intimate audience. You know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: we're talking like a couple hundred people like she that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: room was eating everything out of her hands and just
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: folks love it. She's got that personality. Come on, she's
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: she's who she is for a reason. She walks in
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: and it got popping, like people were really really excited.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: That's the number one question I get asked the few
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: times I've been blessed to be on her show playing
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: token defense attorney, which is a lot of fun.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: The number one makes no dude.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: It took me two or three episodes to realize that's
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: what she wanted, and I got my cookie at the
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: end of doing it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: So but people ask me what does she really like?
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: And I look at him, I'm like, what you see
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: is what you get?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: That is it is not an act?
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's the real Nancy and she brings
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: it and she's unapologetic about it and she happens one
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: of her dear friends happens to be a legendary long
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: term lawyer here that I'm also friends with, and so
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: we got to see Renee as well.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Who is man?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Talk about a memoir I want to read?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lord, do you know how many people have to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: die before that can happen?
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Though, Oh my god, Renee has Oh you just unless
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you know her, it's impossible to describe. She may be
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the most just singular lawyer I've ever practiced in the
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: orbit of because she's a universe to herself like and
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the way she walks around. Man, ain't nobody does better
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: than Renee Like. Renee is the kind of lawyer that
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: can correct the judge in the middle of the case.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: It's She's just she's something special.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And like I told y'all, sometime you're going to need one. Well,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: one time I needed her. So I'm just telling you,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you know, you need those friends, you need all those
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: kind of people. I want to end and I just
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: want to hear from both of you. Just you can
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: just sum up what that night was for you and y'all.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: We are headed to North Carolina on February twenty eighth.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I'll be posting stuff about it on our social medias.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: We've got Florida already planned, we've got Pennsylvania plan, we've
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: got Ohio plan. So we're coming. We've just got to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: make sure everything is locked and signed before we put
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: stuff out. But North Carolina set for February twenty eighth
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: at I'll be posting about it, but I want to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: hear from the two of y'all just kind of here's
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the reason you would want to come to a ten
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: eight ten eight. The reason we're calling the tour the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: ten eight tour is ten eight is a police code
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that means I'm done with my last call. I'm ready
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: for the next call. In other words, I'm open, I'm ready,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I'm available. What's next? Give me something? And that to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: me just kind of set the tone for what this is.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: When Josh and I talk, we may talk about Lisk
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: one night. Then we're going to talk about what happened
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in this shooting, and we're gonna have about the missing
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: person over here, We're going to talk about the serial
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: killer over here. Same with Franz. What's next, what's next?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: What can we do? Who else can we help? So
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that's the reason we called it the ten eight tour.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: So Franz, I'll start with you just sum it up
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: So for me, what it was was it was kind
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: of like the acoustical version of all the true crime
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: put together. It's the unplugged, up close and personal talking
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: to people. And honestly, the first time I ever did
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: anything with Cheryl john As you were there and we
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: were talking about Karen Reid and we had diametrically different
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: views on Karen Reid, but it was that kind of
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: conversational piece and where you could reach out and touch
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: the people in the audience and they could do that
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: to you. And then what was really nice was we
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: took breaks and people would come up and start talking
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: to us and we'd answer questions or we'd answer questions
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: on the mic. So to me, it's like, if you're
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: looking for that unplugged, unplugged true crime experience, that is
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: what this event was and is.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: And as far as I'm concerned.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll echo a lot of that, but I'll
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: add I'm at this kind of interesting juncture in my
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: life where there's a lot going on. I'm slowing down
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: my actual personal practice to concentrate on some other law
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: adjacent things, including some philanthropy, including some political stuff like
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: becoming an advocate for domestic violence because I think we
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: need some domestic violence form. And it was just a
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: particularly poignant night for me to go and be welcomed
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: so much by Cheryl, by the whole Stone seven community,
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  Speaker 2: as it was a kind of an arrival of sorts.
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  Speaker 2: That was a night I will forever remember. Franz is
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  Speaker 2: one of my dear friends. I love the opportunity we
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  Speaker 2: got to spend a few days together. He got to
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  Speaker 2: stay at the house, got to hang out with my daughter.
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  Speaker 2: The penultimate event was hanging out with all these great people,
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  Speaker 2: including my daughter, and getting to really revel in. Man, Josh,
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  Speaker 2: this is a great place for you that you're really
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  Speaker 2: happy at and you can derive enormous personal satisfaction and
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  Speaker 2: care and you can care back because these are people
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  Speaker 2: that care about the same stuff that you do. And
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  Speaker 2: I really like that. And it was a wonderful evening.
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  Speaker 2: I look forward to the next ones.
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  Speaker 1: I love you both, I admire you both. And you
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  Speaker 1: know again, folks, both of these men have given me
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  Speaker 1: fabulous advice. I mean, Fruens has said, hey, when that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: book comes out, swans. Don't swim in the sewer. You
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  Speaker 1: need to you know, talk it. You need to do
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  Speaker 1: an audio book. That's so sweet. Josh is the first
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  Speaker 1: one that told me don't ever say the following, and
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  Speaker 1: I went, ooh, I think that's all over that book.
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  Speaker 1: So I had to take some things out. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: good advice people that cheer for you, y'all. I preach
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  Speaker 1: this all the time about Zone seven. If you are
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  Speaker 1: hanging out with people that do not have the best
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  Speaker 1: for you in mind, or working against you, or talking
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  Speaker 1: trash behind your back, get rid of them. There are
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: good people out there. There are you're listening to two
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  Speaker 1: of them right now. Thank you, Cheryl, and y'all, I'm
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  Speaker 1: on end Zone seven. The way that I always do
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  Speaker 1: with a quote true friendship is when two friends walk
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  Speaker 1: in opposite directions, but yet are side by side. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone seven.