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Women want princess treatment, women most affected | Maintaining Frame 164 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good evening, good afternoon, wherever you may be. Everybody.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian, and I hear Alison, and this
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  Speaker 1: is maintaining frame number one sixty four. Women want Princess treatment.
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  Speaker 1: Women most Affected, reacting to a cavalcade of bullshit videos.
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  Speaker 2: The Weird Sisters and then a palate cleanser Clownfish.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, we are going to do Clownfish TV
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  Speaker 1: as like a palate cleanser.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, see if they covered everything that was wrong
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  Speaker 2: with the Weird Systems on their take.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like them, you know, I've had
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  Speaker 1: them on the show. I did enough part I chat
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  Speaker 1: with Clownfish TV a while back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went before they went really big, I'm guessing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, before they blew up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, before they blew up, you know, I'm I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we are always taxing, but it seems like a uh,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like we picked the winners quite often. It's
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  Speaker 2: like we got the Midas touch. So if we can't
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  Speaker 2: touch ourselves and turn ourselves into gold for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: Wait that that sounds horrible. Never mind, forget forget that.
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  Speaker 2: Forget I said that we should probably announce the topic. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Oh wait, we did princess I did.
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  Speaker 1: Princess treatment we're gonna be talking about. So apparently the
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  Speaker 1: backstory seems to be that there was a woman who
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  Speaker 1: was on TikTok and she made a video about basically
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  Speaker 1: as they did what she considers to be princess treatment,
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  Speaker 1: and feminists are not happy about it. So maybe when
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  Speaker 1: men are suffering, but even then, I guess they're victims
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  Speaker 1: of that in some way.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, I mean men suffer, women most affected.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's.
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  Speaker 2: A sounding what feminists can make women victims of of
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  Speaker 2: being women, of not being women, of being men, of
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  Speaker 2: not being men. Like it's it's it's infinite. The source
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  Speaker 2: of victimhood is infinite. It's astounding, like some of the things. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, it's no longer astounding to me. It's
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  Speaker 2: just yeah, okay, all right, you're gonna make yourself a
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  Speaker 2: victim of that, huh, that's great, And then you're going
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  Speaker 2: to complain that you're a victim of making yourself a
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  Speaker 2: victim of things, because that's what they do. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: a we we don't want to focus on what we
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  Speaker 2: can do, what we have effective control over. We want
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  Speaker 2: to reduce the entire world to things that act upon us,
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  Speaker 2: and then we want to get the recognition of being
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  Speaker 2: actors in the greater world. It's like, why you know,
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  Speaker 2: you got one or the other there one or the
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  Speaker 2: other friends, Okay, ran over all, right, so we just
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, that's let's let's move on. Let's get into this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So we have four videos, three feminists that have
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  Speaker 1: been repeat guests on this channel, Manifestel Who is here Now?
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  Speaker 1: Drama Queen and Queer Kiwi. So I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: Alison asked me before the show, let's start with the
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  Speaker 1: worst one, or she asked me which one was worst?
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  Speaker 1: And the truth is, they're all basically the same, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether it were like it's all like
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  Speaker 1: scat as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, well, let me let me, let me refine it,
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  Speaker 2: let me refine it. Okay, let me try to find
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  Speaker 2: another metric that we can choose between the weird Sisters.
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  Speaker 2: Although I mean, I guess we got do we have
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  Speaker 2: Byroanny this time?
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  Speaker 1: No, no Brianny Claire at this time. There's actually send
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  Speaker 1: me a Brianny there.
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  Speaker 3: Ye.
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  Speaker 1: Usually it's Brianny Queer key Wei and drama Queen. But
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  Speaker 1: Marathisonelle is like a you know, like a outside of that,
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  Speaker 1: but she's totally in here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think Manifestel would probably be
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  Speaker 2: just happy to be carted around by an extremely rich man.
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  Speaker 2: Like have you ever heard it was Boxing Helena? I
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  Speaker 2: think is it's about a story about a man who
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  Speaker 2: becomes obsessed with with cutting off the arms and legs
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  Speaker 2: of a woman. I think Manifestel would would this would
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  Speaker 2: actually be her ideal fantasy, but a really rich man
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  Speaker 2: who can then replace her arms and legs with servants
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  Speaker 2: and her alimentary canal with some kind of intravenous tube
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  Speaker 2: directly into her stomach so she can do the least
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  Speaker 2: amount possible just be completely dependent on men so she
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  Speaker 2: does not have to do anything. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: one of her big problems is that she can't trust
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  Speaker 2: men with that level, the level of dependence on men
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  Speaker 2: that she feels like she deserves. It's really, if you
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  Speaker 2: think about it, quite the ex distential crisis to be
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  Speaker 2: Manifestel to believe that if she does anything, if she's
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  Speaker 2: forced to do anything for herself, that is an imposition
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  Speaker 2: on her by her male partner, but at the same
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  Speaker 2: time being unable to trust a man to take over
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  Speaker 2: all of the processes that she believes oppresses her if
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  Speaker 2: she's forced to do them for herself. I'll let you
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  Speaker 2: guys think about that. I don't know if I've conveyed
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  Speaker 2: information or a stream of noise. So all right, let's uh,
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  Speaker 2: let's I'm alwa. That's my that's my great fear always
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  Speaker 2: is that all I'm doing is just making noise. Uh
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, let's it's speaking of making.
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  Speaker 1: Should we start with manifestel then okay, let's yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So all right, So what I was saying is that
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  Speaker 1: essentially there was a TikTok video of a woman talking
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  Speaker 1: about princess treatment, and that's how we got these vision
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  Speaker 1: because they well, they watch it on the no I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know where it is, but we can watch it with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna watch it. So okay, let me just okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go.
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  Speaker 3: We talk about princess treatment without giving it a definition. Basically,
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  Speaker 3: princess treatment, according to the Powerhouse of the cell is
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  Speaker 3: when you are treated well according to your needs, according
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  Speaker 3: to your wants. And at the very root of receiving
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  Speaker 3: princess treatment is not at all being performative as we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing here. It's not at all that it's making others
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  Speaker 3: feel raw. Receiving princess treatment is all about making others
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  Speaker 3: feel royal.
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  Speaker 1: Because I so, I don't think, actually meniphest Dell does
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  Speaker 1: not watch the video, I don't think, which is weird
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  Speaker 1: because she usually does. So maybe she reads a transcript
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  Speaker 1: of the conversation. I think.
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  Speaker 2: The one that does watch the video.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll go to the all right, let's
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  Speaker 1: go McQueen instead and start with that. Okay, so she's
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  Speaker 1: she likes to do. These are theater kids, guys, theater kids.
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  Speaker 2: I do not speak unless my daddy husband says, so
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  Speaker 2: can you hear me.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever takes me out to a restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, damn what I eat?
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  Speaker 3: And what.
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  Speaker 2: This is? Can this be considered shaming b dsn M yet?
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Well? I don't know. I mean, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: women stepping out of line? Is it a kink though?
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  Speaker 1: Because that's like I mean, Benifestelle is trying to claim
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  Speaker 1: that this woman's princess treatment thing is a kink and
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  Speaker 1: using that as a means to essentially like dismiss it
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  Speaker 1: or even call it painted as negative for the woman
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  Speaker 1: who made that video. And I think ultimately that comes
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  Speaker 1: down to women trying to control other women's preferences as usual.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that calling a kink shaming is just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like buying into it, buying into it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's true, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that woman if that is a
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  Speaker 1: kink for her, or if that's just what she expects.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. So I wouldn't want to like be
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  Speaker 1: uncharitable and charitable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a point of order. Is it Manifestel who's
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  Speaker 2: arguing it's a kink.
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  Speaker 1: Or queer manifest Well, I don't know. Manifestel's video is
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  Speaker 1: called is it Princess Treatment or submission kink? Oh yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so that's the title of her video. So I think
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  Speaker 1: she's proposing that it is. But Drama Queen is proposing
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  Speaker 1: that it's actually toxic femininity and so this is a
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  Speaker 1: different and essentially she's playing this Stepford Wives character in
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  Speaker 1: the video. That's what she thinks this is right, So
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  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not Manifestel wants to be treated like
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  Speaker 1: a princess. She wants that drama queen. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: she likes men, so I think that it's a different
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  Speaker 1: thing altogether. You know, she's more.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I got you, I got you. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: got you, I got I got I get what you're
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  Speaker 2: laying down. This is terrible acting. It's it's really cringe inducing.
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  Speaker 2: It does she actually play what the woman says? At
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  Speaker 2: some point? Do you know?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she watches the video, so yeah, okay, oh I see,
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  Speaker 2: so it's fairly quick, it's fairly quick.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's let's let's continue. I just want I
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  Speaker 1: want you to see this because it sets the tone
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  Speaker 1: that she.
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  Speaker 4: Says, I don't speak or make eye contact with white
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  Speaker 4: stuff because that goes against what daddy, I mean husband says.
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  Speaker 4: I need my daddy, I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Husband to think for me, to speak for me, because
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  Speaker 5: I'm so feminine and soft and quiet.
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  Speaker 2: But excuse me, how is this different than feminists? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: how is this different from feminism? Saying that patriarchy thinks
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  Speaker 2: for women, but basically patriarchy chooses women's thoughts, except in
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  Speaker 2: this case, this woman says, I'm going to choose a
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  Speaker 2: benevolent patriarch to think my thoughts for me as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to feminisms. We're all being puppeted by a malevolent patriarchy,
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  Speaker 2: all women, especially women like me, and also women like
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  Speaker 2: Queer key Week because I'm sure there's another woman who
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  Speaker 2: could come around and look at Queer Kiwi's stuff and say,
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  Speaker 2: this is also the manifestation of patriarchy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's never ending, guys, because it's in the
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  Speaker 2: interpretation itself, not the objective facts.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, so yeah, so she I mean, like,
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  Speaker 1: I think the princess treatment thing in drama queens from
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  Speaker 1: drama Queen's perspective is kind of like a pigmy thing.
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  Speaker 1: But there, I think that's what I'm getting from it.
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  Speaker 1: But let's let's listen to more.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, princess treatment is just another way to keep women
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  Speaker 4: down by placing us inside of this same box society
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  Speaker 4: once created in times where women weren't allowed to speak, vote,
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  Speaker 4: make decisions for.
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  Speaker 2: And yet that's exactly what they're doing here. What that's
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  Speaker 2: exactly what they're doing here. Like I just I she
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  Speaker 2: says when women weren't allowed to speak vote, and she
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  Speaker 2: does images of women doing all of that, maybe not voting.
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  Speaker 2: But again, the vote wasn't a fight of women against men.
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  Speaker 2: If you look in the history, it was most women
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  Speaker 2: were against it, most men were for it. And then
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  Speaker 2: there was a really loud minority of women who engaged
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  Speaker 2: in terrorism that soured everyone on the issue. And then
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  Speaker 2: eventually men in government and the male voters who had
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  Speaker 2: won their vote by going to war and serving their
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  Speaker 2: country decided to give women the vote even though a
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  Speaker 2: small group of terrorist agitators had nearly poisoned the well
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  Speaker 2: when it came to women's votes. That's closer to the
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  Speaker 2: real history of that, And I think it's because men
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  Speaker 2: have always wanted an equal It's probably why Cato made
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  Speaker 2: that statement that you cannot give women a quo because
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  Speaker 2: they will immediately seek superiority, probably because he was counseling
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  Speaker 2: other Romans not to do it. It's like, yeah, don't
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  Speaker 2: do it, because they were doing it or trying to
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  Speaker 2: do it right. So, and even in Rome, women could
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  Speaker 2: march and get laws changed if they wanted, it's just
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  Speaker 2: they didn't usually didn't seem to want to for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: Women have always had influence in the political sphere. Hell,
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  Speaker 2: the entire foundation of politics and what is possible in
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  Speaker 2: a society is laid down by women as mothers when
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  Speaker 2: they established the emotional habits of their children. So this
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  Speaker 2: is just like she's basically saying, oh my god, this
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  Speaker 2: woman is so submissive to men. By the way, did
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  Speaker 2: you know that every one of women's actions and choices
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  Speaker 2: is selected by men for them? Like, what's the problem
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  Speaker 2: is it? Because this woman is saying, I choose to
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  Speaker 2: be submissive and queer Kiwi says that women's submission is
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  Speaker 2: completely outside of their control, Like what is there a
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  Speaker 2: big difference there? One is a choice, and Kiori's like, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: women can't choose to be submissive because they just are
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  Speaker 2: m It's just inherent to the beast, always in forever.
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  Speaker 1: I think this mythology around the vote has to die,
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  Speaker 1: like I does. I think it really has to die
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  Speaker 1: because it's the first It's the first thing these people
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  Speaker 1: lean on every time they do. And I think one
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  Speaker 1: of the ways you kill it is not just that
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  Speaker 1: history lesson, but also they have to stop thinking it's
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  Speaker 1: a right because it isn't. We have to stop just
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  Speaker 1: periods thinking of it as a right, either for men
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  Speaker 1: or women. It is not a right. It is a responsibility,
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  Speaker 1: a privilege that comes with responsibility. And the framing around
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  Speaker 1: the vote as just a right is what is destroying
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  Speaker 1: us because like people are just the vote is violence
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, right, and women are
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  Speaker 1: exercising that to use violence because that's how they they
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  Speaker 1: get you know, their you know their programs, paid for
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  Speaker 1: their babies killed, whatever, and I think that they have
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  Speaker 1: we we just have to kill the myth around the vote.
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  Speaker 1: It is not a right. It is not a right.
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  Speaker 1: It is it is a privilege and a responsibility. There
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  Speaker 1: is a duty tied into it. Okay, So anyway, let's
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  Speaker 1: feminists like this would just keep bringing up women's rights
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  Speaker 1: and the vote until like that dies because right now
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  Speaker 1: you get to an argument with a feminist online and
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  Speaker 1: you basically ask them the really basic question what rights
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  Speaker 1: do men have that women don't, And they don't have
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  Speaker 1: an answer, but they will say, well, historically they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have the vote, but the vote's not a right, so
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  Speaker 1: that's not something they lost because they never had it,
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  Speaker 1: because that's not what it is. So we have to change. No,
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  Speaker 1: most men didn't have the right to vote either, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: so that the myth around that has to die. So hey,
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  Speaker 1: it does, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, the same as a man doing the exact same
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  Speaker 4: job and sometimes another. Labeling femininity as something where you
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  Speaker 4: give up your own autonomy is something that this TikTok
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  Speaker 4: of boosting hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: This is hilarious from the camp that reduces women down
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  Speaker 2: to victims like external factors in every conceivable circumstance. Every
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  Speaker 2: time you look at a woman, you see a victim
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  Speaker 2: in every conceivable circumstance. You can reduce women down to victims,
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  Speaker 2: and you have the audacity, audacity to complain about someone
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  Speaker 2: else talking about submission. Your entire brain is submission.
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  Speaker 1: They're a victim until until they start thinking for themselves
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  Speaker 1: and they say, I want this thing that feminists don't
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  Speaker 1: approve of. Then they become a target.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then they become a real victim of the system,
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  Speaker 2: of any deviation, any self thought. The woman thinks for herself.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't even talk about female submission. I
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  Speaker 2: just talk about recognizing men's issues, you know, and the
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  Speaker 2: things that men are vulnerable to, and maybe caring about men.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and I am also a target, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even need to talk about female submission, just
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: anything that feminism doesn't want women to do, which ironically
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: is apparently Okay, queer Kiwi, you need to make the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: like the the inner tips of your Sorry drama queen,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Oh god, it's another one.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Mixed up.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sorry there, you need to make the tips
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the inner tips of your eyeshadow on the same plane,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: because this is giving me the tisms looking at her
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: eyes at the moment mm hmm, because it looks like
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: there one is higher than the other. I'm not sure
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: if that actually is true or it's just an effective
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: or sloppy makeup.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, let's let's uh, let me see.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I'll play a little bit more, but we're gonna she's
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: gonna play the TikTok video.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: So we have the context in princess treatment to be
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: a thing where you don't think for yourself. Your male
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: counterpart does in this instance her husband, and to me,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: it sort of presents itself on the outside as a king.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: If you are asked what you want to order from
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: a restaurant and you look to your husband just eagerly
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: waiting for him to answer. That is not princess treatment.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: That is a form of oppression. This TikToker in today's video.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Okay,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: are you allowed to kink shame now? Because if it
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: was a king? Hmm, okay, all right, does she actually
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: play the TikTok?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's gonna play the TikTok right right right here?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to jump ahead to this?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I feel like we're going to hear.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: The Okay, let's go control you.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about princess treatment. If you're at a restaurant
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: and how you interact with the white staff and the hostess.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: If I am at a restaurant with my husband, I
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: do not talk to the hostess, I do not open
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: any doors, and I do not order my own food.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: So someone had sent me a message a couple of
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: weeks ago asking about like, let's say your husband drops
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: you off and he goes to mark the car, what
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: do you do or if it's raining or something like that,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: and he wants you to put your name down. And
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: I had a very similar situation happened to me with
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: my husband A couple of weeks ago. I'll put her
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: question on the screen so you can see exactly what
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: she's saying. But we pulled up, me and my husband
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: pulled up to a.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Restaurant, and Oh, it's so bad, isn't it. I can't
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: look at her. She's like, oh my god, I'm weeping.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: She's on the verge of tears. Wow, this is an
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: incredible imposition on your phone. Husband.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like the woman that they're shaming is like, I, well, here,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. What we're looking at is a woman
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: who if her and her husband agreed to this and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like she's good to him whatever. I don't care.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: But I wouldn't. I don't think my wife would expect
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this shit. She's just not like that, you know. But
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: so I don't like this arrangement that this woman has,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: But if her and her husband are okay with it,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: then it's none of my business. In fact, if it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: weren't for these videos reacting to it, I wouldn't even
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: know about this because they would have been like completely
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: out of my radar. I just wouldn't give a shit.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: She's yeah, go.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Ahead, uh oh sorry, let me let she finish.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I apologies, it's okay. I'm just saying these these women
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: are angry read because I think what the problem is
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is that they're afraid that this princess treatment thing might
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: be normalized or might be seen as appealing to some
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: women and even manifestel who would argue that she wants this,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: she thinks it should be there's something like that it
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: should be elevated in some way. So she has like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a different, a slightly different kind of cancer than the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: other two.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So oh okay, yes, slightly different flavor of cancer.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So what I was going to say is she talks
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: about how the patriarchy controls women, and it's almost like
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: she's pre loading this, like this narrative so that she
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: can hide the fact that she is shaming a woman
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: and how a woman chooses to conduct her life. Do
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you think if this woman said, hey, I don't want this,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the husband would be like, no, you must do you
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: must do this.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure she's the leading this.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think she's gonna use the mask. Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are part of the manosphere, or we are
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: a manosphere adjacent or whatever. You because you're a man,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: me because I'm a pigmy have you ever heard of
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: men talk about the princess treatment?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Not in the manisphere. No, So this is even guys
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: don't have their own kind of like ginocentric views, but
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: they don't go that far. Even then, they don't go
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that far.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this is a phenomenon that's entirely
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: driven by what women want. What women want from men.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: If they didn't want it, I don't think her husband
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: would be forcing it on her. Okay, So she is
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: created constructing this reality in which she's being treated like
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: European royalty, right, and she wants this from her husband,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And it's ridiculous on its face because she looks like
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: she looks like I don't want to bring it down
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to looks, but let's just say she looks like she
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: would be either a boarding house mistress or a seamstress
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: in medieval Europe, not an aristocratic woman. But then again,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: maybe she would because a lot of them, Yeah, they
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: had a particular look. But regardless, the odds are, let's
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: not base this on looks. The odds are, she is
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: not European royalty, and yet she is demanding this treatment
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: from her husband. Maybe not demanding, requesting, expecting. I don't
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: think this is driven by him, And nobody's addressing that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Is there any indication that this is driven by him?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: None, nobody, But she's calling it oppression, which means he
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like that implies.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: That's the thing she reduces. She could sit there, like
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a drama queen could say to herself, where is women's
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: agency in this phenomenon? Where are women making the choice here?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Is there any indication that this woman's choices are being
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: driven by her husband? Hmmm? I just applied a little
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: bit of logic and the answer is no. There is
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: no indication that this woman's choices are being driven by
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: her husband, no indication that if the tomorrow she said,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you know, honey, I'm done with the princess treatment, I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: want other kind of treatment, that he would be like, yes, dear, okay,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: there's no indication of that. And yet drama queen looks
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: at this and immediately sees women's victimhood, right. That is
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a mindset, a limiting mindset. She's basically seeing this, and
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: part of it is because she wants to shame this
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: woman for her choices which aren't the same choices as her,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: which is like, this is something that I brought up everything.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Every time I hear the word patriarchy set stated, well,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: not every time, but a majority of the times, it's
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: usually one group of women trying to cannibalize the autonomy
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: of another group of women and make their choices illegitimate
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: because they're not the choices that they would make. This
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: is a real shitty thing that women do to each other.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Now do I care as much if this woman wants
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to arrange her relationship in this way? Now, if your
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: husband is fine with it, I mean, at least she
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: can be satisfied. At least she's saying I want X,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: YVS it and then he's doing it right, So as
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: long as she doesn't boomerang on him and then suddenly say,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I really hated that thing you ordered for me.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you don't love me. You are some
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: shit like that. That's if it's all. If she's genuinely
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: accepting whatever he chooses for her, and he's fine with
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: whatever abc D steps that she's laid out for him
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to hoops to jump through, and he's fine, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: have at, Okay, have at. That's fine. My concern would
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: be is is she satisfied? What if she makes the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: wrong choice. What happens then, right, But you know that's fine.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: This topping from the bottom is fine if the man
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: wants to sign off on it. Who cares, it's their life, right.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: But she can't handle that because everything has to go
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: like all other women have to make the same choices
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: as drama queen. Otherwise they are patriarchal puppets. So they
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: these women use the threat of patriarchy to coerce other women,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: to shame other women into doing what they think they
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: should do. And this is what I'm saying. The majority
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: of the time I hear these women bandy about patriarchy,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: it is to insult and remove the voice and to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: crush the perception of other women's agent, see to consume
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: their agency and say, get back on the plantation. It's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: actually really gross.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, let me play more reservation.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: He wanted to run in. Well, we didn't have a reservation,
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: so we wanted to go up and see if it
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: was possible for us to get in. He pulled the
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: car up at the bat lay station. He got I
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: say it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: In the car right off the bat here. This woman
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: cannot seem to produce too many coherent sentences.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And don't judgure basically.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Due to the fact that she has to get permission
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: from her husband before my god to anybody include look.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: At queer key, were consuming another woman's agency, isn't she satisfied?
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: Drama?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So, so a man does all kinds of I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: guess you could say chivalrous things, because the scenario, if
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you guys missed it, was what if we go to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a restaurant and a raining and you know what, what
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: is he supposed to do? And she was like, well,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: here's what he did. He drove there, he drove me
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to the front door, he let me out to go inside.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think that she got to this point yet,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: but she wasn't. She doesn't even talk to the hostess.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: She doesn't like say we're on the list. She just
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: waits for him to go park the car and come back,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: or talk to the valet, give him the keys, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: then go in. And he basically does everything, and she
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: calls this hit her being in service to him. He's
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the one in the rain, he's the one paying for shit,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: he's the one making reservations, he's the one dropping her off,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: he's the one opening the door. For her. He's the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: one ordering the food, he's the one doing everything, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: that is oppression, just saying, just putting it out. This
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: is what this is what she is claiming about this
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: other woman.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: So, and the funny thing is what he orders is
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: probably a test on how how much she loves her.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, right, like, are you going to order
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: what I want? Right now? I know there are women
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: who sometimes they don't know what they want. It's like
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: an old meme, you know, like a woman on death row,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: what do you want for your last meal? I don't
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: know what do you want? That's what she says, So
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: like I get that, but but nonetheless it is a
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: test because it's like, how well do you know me?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: How do you know what I want? What I feel like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: what I like right? It reminds me of a scene
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: from American Psycho Yeah, where Patrick Bateman takes a woman
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: who's drugged up out of her mind to dinner and
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: he orders for her. He says, you're gonna have this, this, this,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and and then she just goes along with it because
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: she's too high to like make a decision. So, uh yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe again, maybe people are into that whatever,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: But it's not oppression.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: No, it's not oppression. I mean, if you're it's a
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: role that you're playing can be replaced. If European Royalty
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: can walk into the role you're playing, and the servants
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of European Royalty can walk into the role your husband's
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: is playing, you are not oppressed. Mm hmm. Because there's
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: no indication that there's not judgment there anywhere in this
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: process by her he orders her food. Okay, again, if
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: he orders something that she knows, I don't know that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: she is allergic to that, she doesn't want that she
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't like. You really think she's not gonna judge? M yeah,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: well we can't know for sure.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe she will. No, No, I think I don't think that.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I think she's trying to make a claim about their
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: relationship that you can't prove.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm just saying that when I point
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that out, Okay, I'm not saying that she isn't going
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to be completely satisfied with what he orders for her,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: right and that this is this they're happy with this arrangement.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I'm saying you can't look at this arrangement on its face.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Based on how she describes her arrangement and conclude that
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: she is not in the driver's seat. All right, But
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: this is what Drama Queen has done because she is
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: allergic to recognizing the accountability and the agency of women,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and she's allergic to it because she wants to use
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: that recognition to manipulate other women into doing what she wants.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It's actually really like, I've had women do this to me,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and in the past it had a much worse effect
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: on me than it does now. But they would say
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: that you aren't making your own choices. Patriarchy is making
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: them for you, and you would be compelled to argue
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: because it is like cutting your throat, it's like choking you.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It is like taking your voice away. It's like removing
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a part of your humanity. When women say this to
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: another woman, you know, it's it's it's stripping them of
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: them's their sense of self. And you know, initially I'd
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: be like, I would argue the point, and then I realized, no,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: this is just a weapon. It's a weapon women use
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to remove the agency of other women that they don't
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: they don't like the actions that they're taking. And that's
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: what Drama Queen is doing. And if you think that
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: this behavior is going to end up in having some
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: kind of utopia if you get rid of men. Knew
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: it won't. Here's here's a frightening statistic of how it won't.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Women want to control other women's agency. This is like
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: their prize, it's like the ultimate win condition, and they'll
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: they'll manipulate men in order to do it. In societies
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that practice honor killings, usually the honor killing is initiated
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: by a woman and carried out a man. But when
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: they look at honor killings that are initiated by women
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: and carried out by a woman, they find that the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: violence is unspeakably brutal. So a man will do an
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: honor killing, kill quickly right. A woman take her time
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: with it. She'll savor it. She'll do a bit of
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: torch or first, maybe a bit of raping, and then
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: she'll just kill her in a way that she dies slowly.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: This is what they found. They're horrific when the honor
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: killings are perpetuated by women, they are horrific. So in
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: an all women society, not only will women be attempting
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: to constantly consume each other's agency and control each other's actions.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Am I still good because the boydcat just went across.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Speaking of females controlling other female's actions, not only will
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: they do that when they punish women for failing to
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: abide by whatever drama queen thinks a woman should do.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: The violence without men will be unspeakably brutal. Okay, let's
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: let's keep.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Going with that thought. Let's keep going white.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Stuff where it's like you either look rude or like
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: you're being trafficked. I mean, isn't it odd for an
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: adult woman to be boasting the fact that she isn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: going to speak to white stuff.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: But she'll get off. Traffickers often bring their victim's whole restaurants.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, silly me.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Her husband probably gave her permission to do that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: I told the valet and I was going to run
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: in and ask a question. I'm going to leave my
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: car here. I sat in the car while he ran
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: in and asked them. They said, yeah, we have stays
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: for you. And then my husband said, okay, I'm gonna
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: go get my wife and then I'm going to park
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: the car. So he comes back, ol, opens my car door,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: walks me into the restaurant, opens the door, and I
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: stand and wait, I did not make eye contact with
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: the hostess. I did not talk to her. I waited,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: didn't till my husband came back. He comes back, does
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: the exchange with her, and then we went and sat down.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: So you were rude to the white staff because you
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: and your husband are participating in a kink which, by
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: the way, all of these people in public around you
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: did not consent to you. They didn't agree to She
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: seems to live in this.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: We consent to the what I'm going to give her
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: this one? Wait, but the reason? Okay, so then do chill?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Do we? Okay? So then can we make the argument
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: that you can't have pride parades because we don't have consent? Yes, okay,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: all right, we're consistent, Yeah, consistent.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, but but this might be a little well, depending
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: on the pride parade, this might be a little bit
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: more intrusive. If you're an adult going into an establishment,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: there is probably is an expectation that you should be
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: able to interact with the wait staff and not just
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: stand there like a well if.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: The weight staff are I mean, like she said, she
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: didn't give guide contact to anybody. But that doesn't mean
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that people approached her and she ignored them. They probably
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: talk to her because they were busy running the restaurant.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the thing is that it is like if
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you're going to go into a restaurant and then just
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: stand in the corner and not interact with the weight
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: staff and they end up like calling security and getting
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: rid of you, I wouldn't cry tears for you, because if,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: like I said, if you're an adult and you go
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: into an establishment where you're being expected to serve and
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: people are you can expect people will expect to be
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: able to go up to you and inquire as to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: why you are there as a as a function of
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: the activity, and you don't respond that. I mean, I
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: won't give it to her for any of this patriarchal bullshit,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: but that's just it is rude because these people are
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: trying to do their job. Yeah, and if you appeede
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: them doing their job, and I don't know, like maybe
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: she just they didn't they just ignored her fair enough.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: But if you impeede them doing their job, I don't know,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: that's I think I think it is rude, all right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: That that so I'll give that one to him, but.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Nothing else, Okay, fantasy that her husband is such a
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: masculine man because he speaks for you didn't know what
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: was what masculine.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Grady and.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: For him to swoop through the Applebee's and ask for
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: a table for two, girl, you got such a big,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: strong guy on.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Oh really, so you're shaming, isn't this interesting? She's shaming
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: this as not masculine enough. So what's masculine enough for drama?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Queen slaughtering a Philanx on the way to the Applebee's.
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: Like, yeah, okay, okay, you seem really out of it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Somehow feminine and.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah I'm okay, I mean, yeah, I'm okay.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: It's just like to be so soft and quiet is
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: embarrassing at your big ass age. Like whenever I come
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: across these kinds of videos over on TikTok, it is
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: very clear, what is happening to me?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: This? Really?
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Who is participating in a kink? Okay? They want to
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: be treated as a child.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: She's repeating herself? Now what I think she's repeating?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Repeating herself? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so okay, let's jump ahead, let's.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Do it, or we if she okay, if she doesn't
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: repeat herself, we can jump herhead.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: But no, I think that I think that this is
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: her her thing is that she tends to beat points
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: into the ground. Yeah, and assumes that she has to
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: say it like multiple times otherwise people won't understand her.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And then she just yells more so, yeah, let's let's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: play from here, a princess.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: It's not because you're being hoity toity. You're just letting
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: your husband lead and letting him take care of it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: So if I don't even know another situation where you
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: would need to be dropped off, usually there's a valet
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: so you can both hit out together. But again, like
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: you don't need to feel awkward about it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Is anyone else hearing the sirens in the background, Like
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: they can hear what you're saying, girl, they are coming
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: for your husband.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: Another huge part of the princess's treatment is why I
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: don't know if you specifically talked about this, but.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Well, because she thinks that she's claiming that her husband
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is the reason why she's a slave, because I mean,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: like that's what she's implying, or a child who is
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: under the thrall of her husband and doesn't realize as
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: she's a prisoner. So this is like the whole ultimately
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the thesis, but ultimately okay.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, she's saying that this isn't
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: masculine enough, Like she just shamed this entire framework that
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: they've probably agreed upon is not an indication that the
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: husband is masculine enough, you know. And maybe that's fine,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: like maybe she sees that as masculinity at least it's
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: constrained to something pro social, right, I mean, it might
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: be a little rude to the weight staff, maybe she
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: waits outside, who knows, but it ultimately it's not like
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: her husband is doing anything evil. And if that's how
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: she feels led and that's how she feels like he's
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: protecting her, what's wrong with that? And she and Drama
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Queen is basically shaming it is not masculine enough. He
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: has to do more. He has to invade Byzantium or
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: something like he's got to be the head of the
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Mongol hordes. Are you sure? If okay? If she's taking
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: a sense of femininity from this interaction, which is well
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: within social norms and is a man who is taking
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: care of her and demonstrating that she has an understanding
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: of her needs because of what he's going to order
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: is that not better than requiring masculinity that's extremely violent
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: to feel like you're protected and provided for. Because this
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: is what I'm getting, This is what I'm getting from
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Drama Queen's arrangement. She's mocking this woman for finding the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: man who does all of these things well within the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: auspice of a civil, polite society, and she's finding that masculine.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: So obviously the problem here for Drama Queen is that
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: he isn't sufficiently doing something aggressive or risk taking or
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: something you know, like not beating down the restaurant doors
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: with his hoard or shooting doing a shootout with the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: chef or the bartender in order to acquire the goods.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Like what if this is how they're framing it isn't
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that it isn't gentle, the gentle facilitating caretaking masculinity of
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: this exchange is not not fine? Like why are you
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: saying no? It needs to be more.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I think she's just trying to
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like like this is this is well, yeah, but I
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: think this is like a I don't want to call
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: it a gender norm because I don't think the Prince's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: treatment thing is a is like a historical norm for
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: no normal people. I think that it's like a hyper
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: version of the romantic model that we only adopted in
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the last like, you know, seventy years or maybe one
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: hundred years or so. But I think that women like this.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I think they're really they really miss being like feeling
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: like women, or there's something that they're trying to grasp
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: at that they don't quite understand because of modernity, and
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: they are overdoing it. And the men too, Right, A
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: lot of men want to feel like they are needed.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: They want to feel like, you know, like masculine, and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: this is how they do that. And the problem is
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: regardless of how well executed it is or how well
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: they're doing, because I think they're just struggling to figure
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: it out. Maybe feminists can't stand that people are even
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: trying to be like, you know, in their in their
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: masculine or in their feminine, so they're just trying to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: discredit it by any means necessary. She doesn't, I don't.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know that drama Queen wants the man to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: be more masculine or whatever. I think she's trying. First
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: of all, I think she's trying to find what masculinity is,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: which feminists do all the time, right, they tell you
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: what a real man is, and it's this moving target obviously,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: but what it is not is anything that actually remotely
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: appears to be positive and masculine. So I think that
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: she just doesn't like that these people are, even, like
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, aiming for something that looks like traditional
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: gender roles. That's what I think it cult comes down to,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. And again I'm not saying this woman
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: that's putting the princess treatment stuff out there is a
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: good example of that. I don't think she is. I
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: think it's a fantasy that she's like living out. But
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I think there's a purpose behind it, you know.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's if you think about it, it's and
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I actually suspect that a lot of feminists they actually
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: do want the really aggressive kind of man, like the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: kind of man that they say that they don't want.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: And so maybe some of the offense here really is
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: that they have discovered an in complex, very pro social
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: care taking way for her to feel feminine and submissive
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: and him to feel useful and masculine. That's something that
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: that fits perfectly well into civilized culture as opposed to
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's his name, Wade Wilson, slaughter of
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: two women, beloved by womankind, you know that kind of thing.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: So when she says this ain't this ain't masculine enough
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: for me, baby, I think I take her at face value.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: She's she probably just being a dick. But also I
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: think that she she in so far I'm sure she
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: considers herself queer. Might also just be an expression of
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: really wanting to be to be put right by a man,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: because that's what I'd like. When I've interacted with feminists
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: in my personal life, outside of all of this shenanigans,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: they have expressed desire for men who they aren't supposed
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to like, right, the masculine men who tell them what
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: to do and are aggressive and all that kind of shiz.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, that that happens over and over again, right,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: just like feminist men. Well, I mean, it's a toss
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: up whether or not feminist men get charged with sexual
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: aggression because they are amongst women who do things like that,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: or if they are actually more inclined to So feminism
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: is a lie, and it's a lie not just for
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: the people who feminism it flicks itself on but also
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the feminists themselves. So yeah, it could very well be
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: a very honest, genuine contempt for the fact that they,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: these two people have found a way for this man
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: to express his masculinity within the confines of something civilized
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: and reasonable as opposed to something aggressive cruel. I mean,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: there has to be a reason why feminists constantly frame
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: women and are sorry, frame men in terms of the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: most criminal motives possible. Right, it's the is it? Because
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: you know? I mean, one, they can manipulate men by
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: framing them in such a way because men will say, well,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I don't do that. Let me give you feminist money
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and my time and submit myself to you, because that'll
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: prove that I don't do this thing that you accused
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: me of. But then that might also be a bit
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: of that's what they want secretly. All right, let's all right.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going. I want to hear the rest of
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: this princess treatment video.
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: Let me move one's face like you don't need to
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: talk unless you are spoken to. And then if you
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: are spoken to and I asked, you could just say, oh,
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: I'm just waiting for my husband, and then he'll'll be
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: able to get the reservation.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Hey, so your strange idea is not the White Stoffs problem.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Well, at that point, drama queen, I'm gonna have to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: go down on her side. She's just politely saying, I'm
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: waiting for my husband to come and he will deal
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: with it. Now they know why she's there and they
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: can wait.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: That's fine, That's kind of what I thought. Yeah, but
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: of course, see this is the thing she's drawn. Queen
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't like it because it is reinforcing generals in her mind,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: and you know, very much like in line with what
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: femine think of as the bad kind of gender roles,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: which is yeah, like that's what I'm saying, the bad
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: kind what they perceive as the bad kind, because they
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: do believe in gener roles, but like not the ones
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that are considered the norm, you know, so or whatever.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: And even then, I don't think that this princess treatment
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: thing is the norm, but she is seeing it that
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: way because she hates it because it's too whatever. I
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: So, okay, paid enough to deal with a woman who
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: thinks that she is participating in princess treatment.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: They need you to go.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: And sit the down as soon as possible. So that
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: they can fill that table within the next hour. Extremely
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: selfish to.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Push she has a reservation. Everybody, Yeah, this is an issue. Okay,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: this is a non issue. You're you're stealing a problem
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: from the waite staff that doesn't exist. Can we I
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: highly doubt she does anything but repeat herself, and we've
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: spent an hour on her, shall we?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the next one. I mean, basically,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: the thesis is for her video is the Princess treatment
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: equates femininity with childlike submission, reinforcing oppressive gender norms and
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: imposing an unethical public kink to non consenting parties, which
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: is neither empowering nor elegant. According to her.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: All right, okay, all right, and here's my answer to that.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Feminists enforce their own gender role. They essentially divide women
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: and define women by how they're acted upon. Right, And
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: even when women do something good, it's because patriarchy has
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: refrained to acting upon them, because patriarchy is responsible for
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: all the things that feminism doesn't want women to do. Right,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: So women are merely objects in the femin this framework,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: which is really ironic because they blame that on men,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: and men are merely subjects acting upon those objects. So
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: feminist gender roles, rather than just being a set of
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: social activities that men and women engage in like this woman,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: demonstrates are actually two extistential categories. As if we're not
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: even two different species, we're two different categories of being entirely.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: In other words, men are creatures with intent and agency.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Women are substrates that exist for men to write their
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: actions upon. That is the feminist gender roles, right, That's
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: what they reduce the whole shebang down to. And then
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: they have the audacity to yap beak off about other
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: people having gender roles that are you know, they may
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: be a bit contrived, they might be a bit chosen,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: they might maybe emphasizes women's decisions a bit too much,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: but they're they actually present men and women as existing
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: in the same category of being, you know. Yeah, okay, all.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Right, let's move on to Manifestel. Now. Yes, so Manifestel
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: kind of like lines up with queer or not queer.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: KeyWe with drama queen as well. But let's let's see.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we were looking at this okay.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Royal because I actually have a very optimistic view of
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: other people. People are a mirror. They bounce back to you. However,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: you make them feel and we have a favorite saying
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: around here, everything is projection and the same thing with
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: princess's treatment. When you make others feel royal, you make
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: them feel special, they want to return the favor and
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: also make you feel royal.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: So she's saying that this woman in the TikTok video
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: is not using princess treatment in the right way. So
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: she's her idea of princess treatment is wrong. Princess treatment
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: is when you make other people feel royal, other women not.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: So basically, Manifestel is like, why aren't you making me
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: feel like a princess, because that's what princess treatment actually is.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: It's like gaslighting. Where have you made me feel like
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: royalty lately? You haven't, Well, you're not doing princess treatment.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Then, well, exactly, you can't be a princess unless you
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: have ladies in waiting and female retainers and servants.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: But the I just find this hilarious because you know
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that meme of of uh, you know, I consent, I consent,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: But have you asked Jesus that meme? And the the
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: has Jesus consented? This is like, this woman consents, her
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: her husband consents, But have you asked Manifestel if she consents,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: if she consents to this woman being treated in the
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: way that she wants, but she hasn't thought about Manifestel's
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: needs and wants. Okay, all right, probably ellous, let's keep.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Going via princess treatment. So whenever we talk about Princess's treatment,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: this princess treatment, that it's not affirmative. It's all about
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: making others feel royal, make others feel warm and welcomed
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: and at ease, which is also the core of elegance.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Do you see how all the things are connecting, Like
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the connections are connectioning. If you want a crash course
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: on elegance, watch me talk about it in a hoodie,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: my pop flex hoodie, and I gotta is.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: This woman not doing elegance.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: No, she's saying that she's doing it wrong, that it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: not elegant, and it's performative, it's fake. So essentially her approach,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: drama Queen's approach is to say, actually, you're a slave
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: to your husband and it's childlike and it's embarrassing and
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you're basically like setting women back one hundred years and
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you're a bad person for that, and of course your
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: husband's worse because he's doing this to you even though
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: you're being treated really nicely. Manifestal's approach is, oh, I see,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: but actually, do you realize that you're doing it completely wrong?
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Because what you should be doing is making me feel
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: good and at ease and comfortable, and you're not doing that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I gotta jump ahead a little bit. She
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: talks a little bit about her clothes, and I don't
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: really care about that.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: So because the core idea of elegance like literally pick
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: up any etiquette book, like I dare you pick up
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: an etiquette book and read the introduction. Okay, the introduction
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: of most, if not all etiquette books, they always have
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: a caveat about how these are the things you do
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: to not break etiquette. But etiquette changes across groups of people,
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: across time, across space, across geography. So do what other
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: people are doing to make them feel warm, welcome, then
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: at east, So literally pick up an etiquette bok and
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: read the introduction. And that's literally at the introduction of
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: every single etiquette bok.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: So all right, I'm sorry. So yeah, so read an
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: etiquette book which is basically her saying, you're not doing
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: this right. Okay, so let me jump ahead to the
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: next one. Here she does not it's like seventeen minutes,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: sixteen minutes.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Does she make a damn point?
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: She's saying that princess treatment is not Yeah, her thesis
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: is is that her the Tiktoker's printer's treatment is performative,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: potentially insidious submission kink that misrepresents true princess treatment, which
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: should involve making others feel royal through kindness and engagement,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: not isolating one's sense self acting submissive in public. So
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: she's she's got the same issue that drama Queen has,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: but she's taking it a different tactic. The tactic is
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to say, oh, you're trying to do this thing, well,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: actually you're doing it wrong, and this is how you
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: should do it. And what you're doing is fake and
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: it's insidious and bad. So that's her point.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: So are you supposed to do this to your partner?
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing not.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: To do what to your partner? Oh, make them.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Feel kind and warm?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if she goes into that,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: but let's let's let's see.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: You don't need to overspeak over exert yourself. You can
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: be feminine and soft and quiet. The most elegant lovely
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: women are often seft spoken and don't overspeak. They're not loud.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: You're not going to be laughing loudly, speaking loudly, demanding
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: the attention of the room. When you're at a restaurant,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: you're with your husband, your boyfriend, whoever's fiance, who's speaking
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: to him, make eye contact with him, The attention is
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: kind of on him. You're not laughing so loudly that
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: ever and in the room is looking at you. It
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: actually makes sense, But in the context that it's being
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: put in, that's what's turning me off. It's like, it's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: all for a man.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, like you said, it's all for a man. Yeah,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: So the princess treatment about making other people feel good
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: and center and all that does not should not apply
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: to men. So she's gonna get to that. But that's like,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: well again, it's the crucial point here. So but let's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: hear let's hear her go on to that.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: I agree that you shouldn't be too loud at a restaurant,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: and not just you as a woman. It's not a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: feminine thing. It's a common decency thing, both men women.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Everyone should be mindful of the volume that they're speaking
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: in when in a public space or a private.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think that she's pretty much elucidated her point
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: here usual.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if we need to do anymore
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: basically with this. Her problem with this is right encapsulated
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: that what's giving her problem is that this is for
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: a man, that a man could get any positive thing
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: out of it, and this is the great irony Manifestel
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: wants a man to do everything for her, including retain
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: her autonomy somehow, so she wants to be completely dependent,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: but she also wants the man to make sure that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: she remains autonomous, and she wants him to do all
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: of that without ever feeling he's getting anything from it.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: That's her problem with this. The man could be getting
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: something from it. And of course it's very elegant for
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: a woman to be this grasping about the possibility that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: her warmth might end up radiating into a man and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: a man enjoying it like she wants. She wants women
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: to be elegant, to radiate warmth and kindness and be charming,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: but she doesn't want any of these fruits, these riches
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: to fall upon a man ever. Yeah, you guys, are
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: you this is this is a rogues gallery of absolute
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: female dysfunction. Yeah, let's go to the next one, I think.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Now, let's go to Queer Kiwi. Yeah, okay, oh it
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: was okay, queer key. This is queer Kiwi. Yes, so
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: let me see if I can find my god. Okay,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: here we go. So let's go into the first you know, Yeah,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna watch all that. I got three time.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 9: Codes, racings, guys, golls, non binary pals, and welcome back
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 9: to another video.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: If they're not your pal, huh what if the what
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: if the non binar aren't your freaking paler pal?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Well there, if you're watching the video, I guess like
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: if you're a regular, And because she's always got the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: same intro, I feel like a regular because I have
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: to respond to these things and it kills me a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: little bit. But anyway, there is.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 9: A woman who has gained a lot of negative attention
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 9: and a lot of people like making skits, making fun
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: of her and just talking about her situation and how
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 9: she lives her life because she made this video that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: blew up and kind of got everybody talking. Where she
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: talks about how she acts when she goes to a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: restaurant with her.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Husband, everybody equals a bunch of feminists, like they're the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: only ones that would take issue with this, And it
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: was probably like over like ninety percent women. Maybe some
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: feminist men too because they're looking to score some points
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: with the women. But yeah, so because I didn't know
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: this video existed at all until these videos showed up that, yeah,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: if I had to come a process on TikTok, I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: don't use TikTok, but if I did and I came
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: across this, I'd have just shrugged and moved on, like okay, whatever, right,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even thought of it. Always as a king,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have given a shit, Like sometimes I open
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the door for Lindsey. Sometimes it just so happens that
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I'm in front and I do it, you know, like
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think about these things, like I'm not obsessing
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: over it. But these women, they're really concerned with how
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: they're essentially concern we're controlling the culture. So if they
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: see somebody step out of line from what they have
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: in mind, that's when they start making all the content.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: They're basically shame and berate and dismiss and belittle women
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: that step out of line, and men don't even bother
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: like you don't like you can't have an opinion on
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: any of this.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: So I have to say, Rainbow, I love Manifestel because
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: she just gets right to the essence of the problem.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Ew it could be benefiting a man. Ew Yeah, what
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: is surprise that the people who believe that benefiting man
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: is basically original sin is the equivalent of original sin
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: or disgusted by the thought that this arrangement might benefit
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: a man somehow. I don't see how, but apparently it might.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't it just another task you have to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: check off in a day to do all of these
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: things that he's expected to do for her. I mean,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: it's fine if he takes a sense of self from
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: this kind of service, but I mean most of those
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: tasks are equivalent to what a butler would do or
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: a man servant, right, So this is putting more onus
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: on him after probably a full day's work of having
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: onus on him. So I'm like, ah, you know, I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: mean again, if they want to do it, but it
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like he's the one who's necessarily getting the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: benefit out of this, aside from the benefit of feeling
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: like he's masculine and taking charge, making her feel loved
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: and taken care of, which I don't know why these
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: women begrudge him that, except that, of course, it is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: a complete denial of their ultimate argument that male authority
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: equals women oppressed. In this case, male authority equals a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: woman served. Funny how that works, Eh.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, the problem is the authority. But anyway, Yeah,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: And what.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: She calls the princess treatment, where basically she says that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: when she goes to a restaurant, she doesn't make eye
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 9: contact with anyone, she doesn't talk to anyone. Her husband
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: like gets the door for her, he speaks to all
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 9: the way stuff, he orders for her, all of that,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: And that's her being treated like a princess, and like.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: The way she wants to be treated, like this is
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: the thing that is that is not being admitted here.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: This is the way that this woman wants to be treated.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: I thought feminism was about women deciding she's made a decision, right,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: she has all of the legal powers of any other woman.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: If she's unsatisfied with her relationship. If she makes she
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: decides at some point in the future that that prince's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: treatment was actually rape. Guess what, He's up a shit
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: creek without a paddle, right, So excuse me, Rainbow Bright, if.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I don't give a crap, Rainbow she.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Made her choice. She made her choice, and you can't
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: respect that because that choice, for whatever reason, doesn't benefit you.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: And this is the real problem in our society with
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: women and how women are treated. If women's choices don't
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: benefit feminism, you're in for a world of hurt.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, there is no pressure. There's no patriarchal pressure, as
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: far as I can tell, at least I've never felt it.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: But they're sure is damn is feminist pressure in our society.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Pressure to adhere to the feminist party line. Pressure to
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: see yourself as a victim in every fucking circumstance, and
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: if you don't, they will make you a victim. I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: don't even know if we need to listen to more
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: of this shit.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean we let's let's get to her, like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: there is something here. Her thesis is slightly different all.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 9: Of the content she makes. Once I was made aware
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: of this one video that blew up. I went to
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: her account and I scrolled through the entire thing. I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: went through all of her tiktoks where she either talks
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: about the Princess treatment or she talks about her life
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 9: as a stay at home mom slash housewife. And it's
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 9: very interesting and it's so different to pretty much all
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: of the other sort of like trad wife content that
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: I've seen in a lot of ways, and so I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 9: really wanted to like take a dive into that and
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 9: talk about it with you because it's fascinating. So to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: give a little bit of context on her and the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: whole situation, Basically, her name is Courtney and.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: She is, uh jump ahead here.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: So do guys ever feel any sense of shame, Like
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: you're all piling on this woman who has this I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: guess cute little life, little life hack how to make
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: yourself feel feminine and your man feel masculine through simple
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: life choices. Like that's that's when it comes Downinja Surgeon
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: were Wolf for to make you feel feminine.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: So this is that This is kind of what it
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: comes down to. So you have like a social media platform,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: TikTok is the one that everybody uses now especially young people,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: especially women, and they're all trying to become influencers, and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: they're all trying to share their opinions, and they have
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: lots of they all come from various backgrounds. Right. The
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: feminists want to dominate social media as usual, and their
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: ideology is unique in that no one is allowed to
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: be outside of it. Right, Like if it was a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: bunch of people posting trad stuff, you notice that no
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: one that does that is trying to make other people
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: do it. They're just showing it. Like what was her name,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I can't remember her name, but there's a woman who
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: you know, wears the dresses and she has the hair
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: and does the makeup and she'll just do like short
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: videos of herself and it pissed feminists off. She never
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: said you have to do this. She in fact, when
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: she was confronted because I think she appeared on Piers Morgan,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't remember her Name's a blonde, kind
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: of has this Marilyn Monroe thing like like her look,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and she said, well, I'm not saying that other people
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: have to do this. This is just what I like to do.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: And of course she gets a lot of traffic like
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: her channels. You know, her TikTok or whatever is really big,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: just like the other woman the ballerina farms right huge
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: on TikTok at Instagram. Huge. But the thing is they're
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: not saying people have to live this way. They're just
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: showing their lifestyle. They're showing their stuff off and a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: lot of people resonate with it. And I think ultimately
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: this is what upsets feminists because they they're not the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: kind of people that just say, well, this is how
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: I live and whatever. They're the people that say, this
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: is how you should live and or this is how
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: you should feel, this is what your opinion should be. Okay,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Estelle Williams, thank you, j o'bales. That's what I was
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: thinking of. Estelle Williams. Sell Williams never says you have
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to do this, she just does that, right, So it's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: not prescriptive, it's just like whatever. But feminists make it prescriptive.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: And so the problem is is, of course their ideas
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: don't appeal to normal people. They don't even appeal to women,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: like not in like their final form. At least you know,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: some of the some of the well I'm saying, like
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: some of the basic stuff like, if you fear monger
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: women about the vote or whatever, or male oppression or
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: the Handmaid's Tale, that you'll get normy women on board
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: with that. But if you start like, you know, shaving
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: your head and covering yourself in tattoos and whatever the
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: extremists do, like these people, that's less appealing to women
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: because most women do want to like have a healthy
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: relationship with a man. So I think that because feminism
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: is by its nature prescriptive and it has to be
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: shoved down your throat. When somebody bucks that and they're
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: like doing their own thing, they get attacked. You know,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the Barracudas come out. The Piranha swarms, the Piranhas swarm
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: that person and say make videos about them. Because again,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I think that it's because they if there are other
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: opinions that appear to exist, they might be appealing to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: normal women.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: That's why I think, Oh, yeah, okay, so is that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: her thesis she completed?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's basically her thesis. I mean, like, uh,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: well she okay, her thesis is actually interesting because uh,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: let me see this is it's promoted, Okay. It involves
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: emotionally manipulating the husband through a non consensual dynamic undermining
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: mutual respect and partnership in relationships.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: So basically somewhat what I said. But yes, honestly, I
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: don't think we can really and just based on what
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: this woman has said, I don't think we can read
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: that far into it. But at least she admits that
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: the husband might be the manipulated party in us.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she does. I think it's again like it she
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: she might be the most fair actor, but even then
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: come down to like, she's just ultimately like queer theory
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: is just against normality, So she is ultimately against normality,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: and every tool that can be used to do that
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: will become useful. I don't think she really cares about
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: his like, well, he manipulated, and maybe he isn't, by
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: the way, because it's not like people don't know what
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: they're getting into.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean, let's let's look at this logically,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: all right, her his wife, Just let's assume that this
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: is this is basically the social dynamic. His wife has
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: set up a situation where without violating any laws, without
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: losing self respect, without seeing himself as a bad person,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: he can serve her and feel masculine, right and she
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: can feel feminine. Now, it's just like I said, it's
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: a cute little life hack. You know, enjoy your lives.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Whereas feminists give men no ability to feel masculine because
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: as they want to destroy that identity, they give no
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: sense of a target to aim for in order for
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: men to feel good about themselves. Right, So, unless Sparkles
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: can identify the positive aspect of masculinity or something positive
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: that men can do in relation to women to feel
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: good about themselves, she's not really Ultimately, it's not really compassion,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: is it. Is it because it's manipulative or is it
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: because again a man benefits somehow? But you're so, you're right,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, if she's not going to put her
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: money where her mouth is, if she's going to say, oh,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: this is a manipulative thing. And yet it is a
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: very basic, simple way for a man to feel masculine,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: for a woman to say, this is how you can
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: makes me feel like you're a man, And it's not.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Anything that is huge doesn't require a ton of money.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't require transforming into a werewolf the full moon
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: or being a vampire or a surgeon or a billionaire
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: or a space ninja. You know, it's just a simple
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: act that any man can do. And his wife is like,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: this is gonna make me feel like you you, this
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: is this is how I'm gonna feel like a woman
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: and you can feel like a man. And is the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: problem there really the manipulation and can you really are
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: you in a position to complain about that even if
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: it is slightly manipulative, when the manipulation you do to
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: men is to feel like they're shit all the time
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: and that they can never change that unless they submit
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: to you utterly in every circumstance, destroy all of their
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: hobbies and relationships with men, and constantly live in a
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: state of self imposed hair suit shamism, Like, Q, are
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: you really in a position to judge this woman and
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: being manipulative? They're rainbow bright, yeah, copyritten today manipulating She
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: gets sued manipulating manipulating men. Do you really think as
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: a feminist, do you really think you're in the right
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: calling out another woman manipulating men's identity when that woman's
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: manipulation of a man's identity allows him to feel masculine
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: in a simple exchange that hurts no one, And you know,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: at least is a target to hit.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, you want me to just
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: go to the Yeah, they want me to just go
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: to the clownfish.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Then let's clownfish. Like this is more like a normy take.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Can I call them normy?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very they're very normy on this kind.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: Of right, right.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I hope they don't feel that that's rude.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: But well, look let me let me put it like
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: this Cloonfish TV. And they know this themselves. I had
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: him on the show before. They're they're interested in like
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: talking about you know, like nerd culture stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 1: video games, anime, movies, action figure whatever, toys, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And so they're very they're very much like in that
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  Speaker 1: part of their involved in the culture. And they're generally
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: like you know, people who don't really want to get
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: too deep into you know, feminism and all the political
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: stuff and all that. But obviously because they are in
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: the culture, they have to deal with it. And this
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: is something that I hope, I wish that more people
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: in the culture war would just get in their heads.
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  Speaker 1: You can't avoid this. You have to confront this. You
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: have to confront this.
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  Speaker 6: Though.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's you know, they're starting to realize they
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: can't really avoid it because they're like, well, I don't
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: really want to give and that's what clownfish. When I
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: had them on, they were like, look, I don't want
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: to take sides. It's like, well, do you that people
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: who are trying to the people who are trying to
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  Speaker 1: like save what exists? Or do you want to take this?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Like where's the middle point between the people trying to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: destroy everything and the people who are trying to salvage it?
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  Speaker 1: What's the where's the middle ground there? Like what does
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: that look like? Can you can you help me?
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  Speaker 2: I want to find the middle ground between Genghis Khan
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  Speaker 2: and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And like the average the average people, like the average villager, there's.
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  Speaker 2: Just be half subjugated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah, but like well, I mean they it's
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: okay that they chime in because they have a lot
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: of reach and they're a pretty big channel. But yeah, anyway,
• 1:19:21
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• 1:19:25
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• 1:19:50
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  Speaker 1: A yeah, we did, all right, I got a super
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  Speaker 1: child from Richard. Bierre gives us ten dollars and says
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: how many women will try to avoid talking to people
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: that they don't like by saying that they have a boyfriend. Again,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: there is a sketch where someone tries to rob a
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: gas station. The woman behind the counter just keeps saying
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: that she has a boyfriend. And about the equal pay.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: I remember that's old, but this good one. And about
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: the equal pay for equal work brings to mind. That's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: somewhere in upside Downland. At one of the commuter trade services,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: the woman in the office had all together taken off
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: from work for some solidarity with the Sisterhood reasons, and
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: not much difference was noticed other than way fewer complaints
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: about the air conditioning being set incorrectly. Sometime later on
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: thirty seven male on thirty seven male train drivers were
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: all out sick at the same time, and it took
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: several days for everything to return to a normality. All right,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: thank you, all right, Okay, now we can look at it.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: So but didn't you guys didn't miss anything anyway because
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: he was still like doing his old spiel. So let's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: let's listen.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: Explain what trad wife is.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Those don't know.
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  Speaker 10: Trad wife basically stands for traditional wife, and it's basically
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 10: women who do enjoy being like Betty Crocker and stuff
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 10: from the you know, fifties and forties, that kind of
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 10: stuff with the traditional you ad dress nice, you keep
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 10: the house cleaned, your you stay home mom.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: You cook, you all that stuff. It's a traditional wife.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: It's a play on traditional wife. Is what trad wife is.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 7: In the last year or two, it's like, really really
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: irritated the hell out of left wing media. Yeah, we've
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: got Vogue. The real problem with tradwise, We've got the
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: Guardian Sun dresses and Rugged self Sufficiency Harvard Crimson Harvard
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: Tradwise and the monetization of womanhood.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's where people are having an issue with it.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: So again this goes back to like why is this happening?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Why is it legacy media is coming out against the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: whole trad white thing when they could just ignore it
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: or move on. But this, again, it comes back to
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: there's a certain lifestyle, certain life choices that they insist
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: women make, and this goes against that because it might.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: It's just like, what was that saying that I can't
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: remember what it was. It was like somebody, some very
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: old like person critical of feminism said that if we
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: if we give women something that they might take it.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: What did she say?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I think it was someone to Vivier who said, if
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: we give women the opportunity to become wives, mothers.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: They will take it too, many of them will.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Take it, and so we cannot do that. But the
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: other thing is that I don't get. I don't like
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: the framing about the trad wife thing, because women who
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: become well, not homesteaders, but women who stay at home
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: immediately gain you know, a twenty twenty five thirty hour
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: advantage in terms of free time over every other person. Sure,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm not going to say that necessarily men
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: are being exploited in that situation, But don't tell me
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: that they're getting benefit more. Well, I mean, they may
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: get slightly more benefit because they get a person who's
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: going to cook the meals and keep the house clean
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: and maybe not complain.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: About ity.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Theory. But really, men are not getting a huge benefit.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Whether or not women choose to be career boss babes
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: or stay at homes. They're still doing They're still plodding
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: the head, They're still pulling the cart, regardless of how
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: the cart is bedecked, you know. And I just really,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: it really is obnoxious to frame this as some kind
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: of ihuge imposition on women. Oh my god, this lifestyle
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: gives you an extra thirty hours of leisure a week,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: aren't you oppressed?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: No, group of people in history, like you could probably
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: judge who wasn't oppressed by how much leisure time they had,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: like for God's sake. But anyway, and you know, whether
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: or not this is exploitative of men, I don't care.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: I just because people make their choices, right.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people make their choices their adults, And well, all
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: I would say is, again, what I think is going
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: on with the traad wife thing is it's kind of
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: seen as if anything is fashionable. It's not. It's not
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: like a real like you said, you mentioned homestetters. I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: know people who live in my community that, like you know,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: live in that style where the man works and the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: woman raises the children and she's got like five children,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: six children, and it's like hard work for everybody. But
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: that's what they're not like making Instagram posts and TikTok videos.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: They're just doing that life. So yeah, it's not there
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: are people who live that way and it's not like
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: a fashionable thing. It's not like a trend. And then
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: there are people on social media that make it into
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: a trend and some people maybe they make they can
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: make both work, sure, But like I think that the
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: problem with it is, again it is going back to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: that Simone de Beavoir comment about it. You know, women
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have the option to be wives and mothers because
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: they might take it. But again I would say, you know,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's just kind of a trendy thing that's
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, and that's why the legacy media hates it.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Geeky Sparkle is about to make a point which it
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: interests me. So let's go back to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, want me to go back a little bit.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: Hey, no, let's just hear what she has to think.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, tradewise and the monetization of women. So yeah, that's
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 7: where people are having an issue with it.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Wait, says them.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 10: Who are doing articles on it to monetize again. Remember
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 10: remember girls, it's okay you should. You have the right
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 10: to choose, unless you choose be a tad wife and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 10: then they're going to shoot all over you.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was basically the main takeaway of that, which
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: of course we've talked about in this channel a lot.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: And I think it's like, I like to ask why,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: and I think it is because they don't want to
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: normalize that as an option. Maybe I should start making
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: your goals are.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should start making like men's rights core content,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: you know, being in the men's issues era.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: You should learn to be something and then bake while
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: you talk about stuff.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: Like smoking.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, you don't deal well with cooking anything. You're like
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: an anti woman. You're not just anti feminist, You're like
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: an anti woman. You're like an inverted one. The anti
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: matter of negative negative, the anti matter of women exactly.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't have any feminine virtues whatsoever.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe Karen should do it. Then well she doesn't make it.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: She could probably be but you can just.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Record her making a sandwich and it's just her hands,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: like home mad, but she's just building a sandwich, and
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: just take the recording of that, and then you just
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: did the voiceover and just people will look at the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: sandwich being built, and then they'll get some like men's
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: issues talking points along the way. Actually, I think that's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: a good idea. I don't know what you guys in
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: the chat, if there's.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Anything domestic that I do.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Sandwich, we're Gondich.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Men's right sandwich. But anyway, so like as the anti,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: I should start making tiktoks about my lifestyle. Yeah, but
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like I I don't know if there's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: anything of interest in my lifestyle. So yeah, let's let's continue.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Let's continue because you know, like tradwives are getting all
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: this attention. Maybe I could we can get some Harvard
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: articles about the perils of the men's rights female influencers
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: who are like, yeah, maybe we should give maybe we
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: should be okay, if if a man cries and tells
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: us the problems that he has, and not think of
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: him as less of a man, but also not compel
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: it like it's some kind of prize to be won.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Just just be okay with it if it happens. Also
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: be okay with men's anger if it happens, and not
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: freak out like the sky is falling, you know that
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. I don't know how that would make
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: very interesting content, though, Well fuck, I just shade it myself.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: Oh god, Okay, let's keep going.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: It's not controlling.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: I'm a trad wife.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 10: Content creators. Trad Wives are choosing to be it. It's
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 10: not because they're man data to do so. Women who
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 10: prioritize yourcial gender roles, which I do, often project old
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 10: school fantasies of staying home with the kids. I stayed
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 10: home with the kids, returning to the land, you'd be
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 10: like gardening.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: And shit, I know how to do that.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 10: I know how to can, I know how to sew,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 10: I know how to quilt, I know how to do
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 10: all that shit. And I'm not a traadwife home cooking
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 10: can do that. And serving their husbands. I sometimes I
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 10: willingly serve my husband.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: It depends, But I'm just saying no comment there.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, you know what you would.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Consider old school You still talk to him?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, old school woman, dumb.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 10: I do all the time because I was raised to
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 10: do it.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: I know how to do all that shit. I do
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: it because you know, I can fix.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 10: I can go outside, I can totally fix like something
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 10: that's broken that turn around and can up some jelly
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 10: or tomatoes like nothing. You know, It's like that's just
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 10: called being well rounded.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 7: Go cant up that jelly woman.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: You know what, have I not made butter and made
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: jelly before?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Have you made better?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 9: Okay?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: I have one thing that might be considered feminine, what herbalism?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, herbalism, Yeah.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: But that's probably a weirly like that's like the weird
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: crone at the end of the.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: That's like the potion made by the witch type of stuff.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: But Lindsey grows herbs and ye because we don't have
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: we don't we live in an apartment. We don't have like
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: the space for like a garden. But she wants to
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: do that, so we have some. She grows them, like
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: hot peppers and stuff like that. Yeah. Oh, I'm supposed
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: to water the plants. Oh shit, I have to do
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: this actor. After this is over, let's get this plants.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you overwhip it so it turns the butter.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 10: I most certainly did. Did it for the kids, wants
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 10: to show them how to make it.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: I don't remember that, but I didn't use the churn.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: I used a hand mixer.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 7: Okay, that's cheating some track life, you are, am I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: have a trade for another one.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Just basic, you know, go ahead, I'll slap you again.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: Some of those is this basic? Some of these are
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: just basic.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 10: You know know how I grew up in the country
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 10: type rural girl.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so I have a I think that
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: no offense to geeky sparkle, but I feel like they're
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: going off into the weeds.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Eleven. Can we go to twenty and eleven?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Eleven? Twenty eleven the.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: Quiz bare minimum versus princess treatment?
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: Okay, to get my attention. Then you love the girl
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: and you're like, yeah, you're ugly pie man. That is
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: related on the underlying assumption that women need to be
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 7: taken care of, protected and are incapable of deep thought.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is exactly where I don't think. I don't Okay,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: who are you talking to because you keep.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 10: Assuming that if someone chooses to be a tradwife. I'm
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 10: talking a lot this because I'm a woman coming from
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 10: a female ankle. But you're just assuming, you're making assumptions
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 10: that people are being tradwised because they're being mandated to
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 10: do so and they are allowed to think for themselves.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: Because.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: They're trying to remove women's agency. Like the thing the
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: problem with Gee Sparkle is she's arguing the people who
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: do this know that this is a choice that women
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: are making, the choice they don't want them to make,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: so they take away perception of women's agency as a
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: way to punish women who do it. Right, that's what
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: they're doing. They're like I told you about how it
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: removes your voice, It removes a sense of yourself. It
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: makes you feel helpless as a woman. For a feminist
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: to say something like the you know what you're doing,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: it's just it's it's not your choices, somebody else. It's
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: the patriarchal puppetry. You know, it's it's a cruelty. It's
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: a form of torture, and they're applying it and they
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: know that that's wrong because the problem is that they
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: want to prevent women from making the choices. So how
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: do they recognize that they're preventing women from making the
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: choice that they don't want recognizing that it is women
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: making that choice. They do know that it's women making
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: that choice. They are doing this, they're taking away the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: perception that this is a woman, that the woman is
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: making the choice in order to neuter her sense of
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: self and to make her feel destroyed and helpless so
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: that she makes the decisions that they want her to make.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: And I'd really like to investigate this dynamic because I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: think it has probably a lot of historical stuff going
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: on with it, not just in this day and age,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: but this is something that women have done to women
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: throughout the centuries and then blamed on men. Is this
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: this way of saying, Oh, that's not your decision, it's
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: not your you don't have a self, because it's almost
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: like women have like the sense that that if the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: collective doesn't agree, then they don't really exist, you know.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I think one of the biggest why I'm
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: the anti woman is because when women come at with
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: that ship, I'm like, well, uh, nope, I don't exist.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: So bye. But but that's what they're doing. They're trying
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: to take that away. They're trying to destroy the woman
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: psychologically by saying that this isn't your choice. Yeah, and
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: so they do know it's it is actually her choice.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: That's why they're telling her it's not. It's like feminism
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: is is a is a a narrative that is one
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: hundred almost entirely lies that only work because they're lies.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's I think that's it. I mean, let's see
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: there's more to this.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I thought there was a quiz the bare minim
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: versus princess treatment?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, is it? Is it like right here?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah? Yeah, no, okay, no, okay, maybe maybe it is.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 10: Okay, questions in there that were just questions I added
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 10: for me. Okay, so you all could take this at home, okay.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 10: And the first one these are the questions I saw
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 10: in different videos. They're asking you want to it sounds
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 10: like a bare minimum that you should do this as
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 10: a as a dude, or if it's demanding princess.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Treatment, I'm gonna gets a lot.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 10: Well, I'm not spraying you, but I'll tell you what
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 10: I think after you say it. Buy her favorite snack
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 10: just because it's bare minimal. Yeah, I think so I
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 10: would do the same. For you write love letters, it's.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Bear, that's absolutely princess treatment. I would not do that.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: I don't well write love letters. Lindsay would like throw
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: it at me, crumple it up. That's cringe. I know that.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: She would say, that's cringe, and I think it's cringe.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine roses are red? No, I wouldn't do that.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not, you know what. It's because I'm in my fifties.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: If I was like fucking twelve, then yeah, sure I
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: could see that.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: But I'm not cam for men not to write love letters.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Can it be the bare minimum for men not to
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: write love letters? Yeah?
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like can can that be the bare minimum? Can
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: we all do it according to my aesthetic or my preferences, Like, Okay,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: the snack's fine, it's sort of nice to get a
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: snack now, and then that's.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: Okay that for her? So yeah, because part of it
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: is because if I don't, if I like, go to
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: the store and I come back with a snack for myself,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: but I don't like, what the fuck you know?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: But so now this iron irony is they're saying that,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: of course, this princess treatment is actually the bare minimum
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: that men should be doing anyway, some more for men
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: to jump through, okay.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: More often, but I don't.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 10: I think that's up to the people saying.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know I've asked you for you don't
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 10: But that's I guess I could.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: See what princess treatment too. If you're busy, I guess
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: he'd aside for that one carrying her purse for her
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: if she needs you to. Oh, yeah, you do, not mine.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's kind of I think that's a little
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: bit emasculating. Lindsay never asked me to carry her purse.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: I have a friend that did do that though, like
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: a while back.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: But no, that's not like, no, it's mine. I don't,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: that's mine. Yeah, mine don't. I don't even have a purse.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: I have like a some kind of equipment.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: I think women. I think that, like I think to
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: carry my purse thing is a little bit of a
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: ship test. I don't know. Maybe I over read into
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: that too much, but I do think it's a little
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: bit of a ship test. Yeah, it's definitely some other
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: men see that as look at this pussy No, I'm
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: just kidding. I know. I think it's fun for that.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Men give each other ship for that, though. That's just me.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: I'm the I'm the shopping assistant. Like here, honey, take
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 7: the purse in the bags and go sit over there.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 10: You don't go say Usually you say.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Happy wife, happy life with me. That princess treatment.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 10: See, I get treated like royalty usually, So I don't
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 10: ask for it.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: He just does it.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Brings soup to her when she's sick, bare minimum, Yeah, putting.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 10: Putting her towel on the dryer so it's warm after
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 10: her shower.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, we just put him on the rack.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so would you say, prince.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I've never even heard of that. I hope Lindsay doesn't
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: see this. She might start asking for it, like she
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: likes she likes a warm tonnel after a shower. But
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: I've never done that. No, she probably thinks that'd be excessive.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: No, it is. I I don't know. I like, I'm
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: not really on board with with what this woman was
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: saying about being treated like a princess, just because I
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want to be that Kloyd upon
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense. Like I just if I pack
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: the bag. I want to carry it, you know, unless
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: I have to carry something else and you know, or
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: or he's bringing it in from the car and I
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: have something else that I'm carrying. That's fine, you know.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to be cloyed on with like
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: freaking love letters. You Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: would be nice after the person has passed on to
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: be able to read, but while they're alive, they maybe
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: you could do that, but like put it in a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: shoe box somewhere hidden, you know. I don't know. Maybe
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: that's just weird, all right, but it just feels really cloying.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and the thing is too, is that I
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: got again the difference between the bare minimum and the
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: Princess treatment is essentially, if it's bare minimum, it's kind
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: of unconscious, like you do it, you don't think about it,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: you know, And I think a lot of it stuff
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: is kind of common sense. The Prince's treatment is something
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: you have to consciously think about, like, oh, I better
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: do this. And I think that if you're in a
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: position where you feel like compelled to do these things,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it doesn't sound like you're in
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: a relationship that is fair unless because that's why I
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: think what what they're realizing is the stuff that is
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: considered the bare minimum usually goes both ways. You know,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: like if I'm sick, when I have been sick, I
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know what, I've basically avoided
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: death like a couple of times, Lindsey would take care
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: of me, and when she's sick, I take care of her.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: So well, it's not like I'm like keeping score, like well,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: I've done this for you five times and you've only
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: done it three times, so you know, it's just like
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about it, and you know when.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: I'm when when we're sick, neither of us takes care
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: of the other. We just leave each other alone. I
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: tried to get job and soup and he's like, no,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: you poison me.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We're probably a really weird example.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: We're not just I'm just not not just the anti
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: woman I've got at the anti relationship. But yeah, it's fine,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: you know, like it's uh, but the thing is like
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: you just get you get the kind of person that
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: you can live with really, and I don't know if
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: I could live with some dude who was all over
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: my ship like this, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: giving me soup while I'm sick, I mean that's fine. No,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: that's fine. I get that. Yeah, I get I'd.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Offer to go buy it at the store. That's what
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I'm I'll pick something up for you.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Well, Jonathan has made like he has made me food
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: based on my allergies and stuff, so you know that's
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: That's I think it's the same kind of thing. Okay, Yeah,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: you don't.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Tie her shoes for her.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 7: That's if if you need help, that's that's bare minimum.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. You need help. And maybe
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: you can't see your shoes, but he can. I don't know,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: depending how big you are.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: Like, hey, my dad, kurts, I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant, which
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 7: was true. Then I tie your shoes for you because
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 7: you know that's just and you did for me when
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 7: my back was because my back is like all kinds
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 7: of messed up, right, I couldn't I couldn't feel my
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 7: leg for like three years.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: He drug his leg like igor was funny, that's funny.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 10: It wasn't funny, but it was like anybody outside looking
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 10: in it was funny. Uh, putting Okay, putting dishes.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: Away in the right place. That's one of yours, isn't it.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: That is one of mine.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: I know that's what because that irritates the hell out
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: of her. I always get.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh okay. So she's basically this is kind of
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: we're seeing a little bit inside the relationship. Okay, well
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: what did what we've been in for several years? Well,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: she's saying like putting the dishes away in the right place,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, this is one of yours, isn't it.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: So like we're like, I guess he doesn't do that.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I'm the one that puts the
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: I'm the one that washes the dishes and puts them away,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: and I have a system, Like for me, everything's got
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: a system. Lindsay's the chaos agent. She's the one that leaves.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I'll find like half drank cans of water everywhere,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: put drink glasses with liquid in it. Like what is this?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: You know she's the chaos agent in that it's.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: Secretly preparing for the signs aliens.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's for it's for the aliens. I know, it's
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: preparing for the aliens. Anyway.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 7: But even the other house that we're in for like
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 7: over a decade, I'd still for some reason can't map
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 7: out where the dishes are supposed to go, because to me,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 7: a bowl is a bowl, but apparently you know, and
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 7: the bowls are in together the pans though there's like
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 7: different pan places in.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 10: The hands that you're doing the wrong plain dishes way
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 10: in the right place.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 7: I liked it better when we had the little hooks
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: to put the pans on.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: You need to answer the question.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: I know the answer.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: Okay, oh that's basic.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh. You know what's really funny? Special Chat has
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: like some of the people from the Special Chat have
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: started to migrate into the horizontal chat really weird because
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: there's this this person I think it's a woman called
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: h witch Master, might be a man, and she has
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: this this little screed where she for the last few
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: bits she's been talking about how weird normies compared to
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: her because she's such an avant garde feminist. And then
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well, what what does being a feminist
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: but not an enormy way I mean? And she or
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: he responds with like in inequality and making your own
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: decisions without a bunch of harassment from someone just because
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: they are a male who thinks he has a god
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: given right to do so. And I'm like reading this,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that sounds pretty basic, bitch to me.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: That's the bare minimum.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Definition. We know of this opinion.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know of this opinion from women, from feminists.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: But also it's an assumption that you aren't able to
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: stand up for yourself just as a bare minimum, as
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: a woman, you don't need feminism to do that. In fact,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: feminism sort of impedes that because if you stand up
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: for certain things, feminists will slam you down. So yeah,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: that's don't you need to be a feminist to stand
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: up for yourself. You need an external ideology to have
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: a spine or personality. That's a basic it's not just
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: come basic, you're if you're a woman or just a
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: human being.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I will say that which master I've been looking
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: at the chat which master has been? That means so
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: you're welcome to stick around. But yeah, yeah, well I
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: mean you know, maybe maybe you will teach us something,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: but maybe people teach you something, So yeah, but I
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the anecdote when My mother died of lung
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: cancer about twenty years ago, and when she was having
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: sort of her weight when we were having her wake,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: she was sort of a high flyer in the corporate,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: the oil and gas industry in Alberta, and there were
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of women who came to her her wake,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what to call it. I think
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: it was like a well a memorial. And I remember
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: overhearing some of the things they said, and one of
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: the things that they said, which was really really fascinating
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: to me, was that she was a woman who didn't
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: need feminism because she had a spine, because she was
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: who she was, She had a personality because of who
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: she was. She didn't need feminism to give those things
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: to her. Right, that's the ideal as far as I'm concerned.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: I don't need feminism to give me a spine. I
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: don't need feminism to give me a personality. I don't
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: need feminism to advocate for myself. I don't need feminism
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: for any of those things. And I don't like the
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: implication that I do. All right, let's let's uh. I
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: think they're just going to continue on, like going through
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: the princess treatment.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we could. I mean, do you want to keep
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: going or no? This is the last video?
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, because we got to set up the
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: next show, and yeah, I.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Know when I got to go pick up Lizzy and stuff.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and you got a lot of your plants,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: so we might as well not go.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, let's quit. Let's uh, well we're ahead.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: There's nothing particularly wrong with the Clownfish TV.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: They're okay, They're just kind of normal.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're normal. That's not a bad thing. They probably
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: have lots of you know, people come to their parties
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: I don't wish getting dragged into this ship show on anyone. Here.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: We are, well, I mean, like, I like, I think that,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: Like I said, building a community that doesn't reject men
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: for the absolutely most retarded possible reasons that we can find,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: continuously creating a new list of ix to reject men, yeah,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: that's not really going to do us very well. It's
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: gonna it's not a really stable platform for having a
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: future for anyone. And uh, as painful as it is,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: we just have to grind and develop a community that
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't do that. It's the only way to apply the
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: necessary social shaming to prevent women from engaging in that behavior.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: So if you want to support that, feed the Badger
• 1:49:42
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