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Matt Fox: Shai Hulud | Furnace Fest 2024 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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Speaker 1: Today we've got Matt from Shaihalud. Super excited to chat
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Speaker 1: with you again. Matt. It's been a couple of years
0:35
Speaker 1: ago when we first chatted with you, obviously we chatted
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Speaker 1: all about just the history of Really at this point,
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Speaker 1: I think you're the only original member of Shihlud, is
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Speaker 1: that right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is correct.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we obviously wanted to when we chatted with
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Speaker 1: you last time, we wanted to chat about the history
0:53
Speaker 1: of shai Hud because since you were there at the
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Speaker 1: very beginning to where you're at now. But obviously a
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Speaker 1: lot of things have changed in the life of Shihlud.
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Speaker 1: But we're just really excited to see at Furnace Fest.
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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about more of your upcoming Furnace Fast
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Speaker 1: performance here in a couple of months. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: just want to know how's life right now in the
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Speaker 1: life of Matt from Shihlud.
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Speaker 3: The life of Matt from Shihlud is pretty boring, you know.
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Speaker 1: That could be it could be worse. It could be
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Speaker 1: way too exciting where it's.
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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm not I'm not a big fan of exciting.
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Speaker 2: I rather enjoy boring, you know. I like my movies
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Speaker 2: I like Indian food.
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Speaker 3: I've partake in both when I can, and yeah, I
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Speaker 3: had no drama, not too much excitement. The most exciting
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Speaker 3: thing that happened recently was that within Bloodle Tempered, who
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Speaker 3: is playing furnace Fest. That lineup got together in Connecticut
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Speaker 3: about two weeks ago for about three or four days.
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Speaker 3: So I got to see and live with everyone for
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Speaker 3: three or four days and we practiced.
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Speaker 2: And had a great time.
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Speaker 3: That was pretty fun and probably the most exciting thing
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Speaker 3: that's happened in the past couple months.
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Speaker 4: How are the sands of Aracus are they? Are you
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Speaker 4: getting sand between your toes?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well are you.
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Speaker 4: Swerving around doing your things?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Walking without rhythm you get a lot of sand between
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Speaker 3: your toes that way.
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Speaker 1: You know, Matt, I know I made this comment last
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Speaker 1: time we chatted. I just feel guilty about it, but
2:38
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's one of those things that has
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Speaker 1: just like, God, I can't believe I think this thing.
2:43
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I probably should like
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Speaker 1: confess to a you know, pastor or priest about but like,
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Speaker 1: every time I see you, I'm like, especially when you play,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy looks like he works in it,
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Speaker 1: but is in like one of the best metal bands
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Speaker 1: you've ever could ever hear in your life. And it's
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Speaker 1: just like you're playing like just the most like amazing
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Speaker 1: like just breakdowns, and then obviously you got like the
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Speaker 1: metal parts that are just gonna like shred your face.
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Speaker 1: It's just amazing how you're able to like create the
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Speaker 1: sound that you do, and yet you look like you
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Speaker 1: are just like taking phone calls all day about like
3:21
Speaker 1: Microsoft computers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't know a damn thing about Microsoft computers.
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Speaker 2: Uh no, a little bit that's good for Microsoft. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I know a little bit about metal.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I always like to consider myself to be
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Speaker 3: a normal guy. I mean, for a couple of years there,
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Speaker 3: I think it was my early midlife crisis. I grew
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Speaker 3: my hair back out. I had I can send you
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Speaker 3: guys a picture. It was like down to here, my
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Speaker 3: little my little nips there.
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Speaker 2: Uh and.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, are they really that little?
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Speaker 2: You want to find out? No?
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Speaker 3: No, soh you know, there are times in my life
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Speaker 3: where I looked more like a metal head. But you know,
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Speaker 3: I like to think that hardcore and or metal, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's a huge part of my life and I primarily
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Speaker 3: listen to metal daily, so.
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Speaker 2: You know, I can't I can't belittle that.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I also like musicals, and I like
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Speaker 3: to think that there's more to me than just my
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Speaker 3: love and playing of hardcore and metal.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you said that, because that's actually something
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Speaker 4: I wanted to explore. Is you know, everyone knows your
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Speaker 4: your prowess on the stage, everyone knows your prowess in
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Speaker 4: the in the recording studio and making some of the
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Speaker 4: greatest guitar riffs, writing some of the coolest songs. What
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Speaker 4: what else? What else do you when you think of
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Speaker 4: Matt Fox?
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Speaker 2: What do you think of? Like?
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Speaker 4: What comes to mind first? Other than you know, badass
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Speaker 4: metal guitar players.
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Speaker 2: I wish I were that.
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Speaker 1: That's what we think of you. I mean, maybe we're
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Speaker 1: the only two people in the world I think of that,
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Speaker 1: But I can't imagine we are the only two people
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Speaker 1: that we think of.
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Speaker 2: Asking to be fair, I'll out myself. I would say
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Speaker 2: maybe ten.
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Speaker 3: Years ago, maybe a little more, I was a much
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Speaker 3: better guitar player than I am now. But guitar playing
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Speaker 3: has never been my strength. I don't know if I
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Speaker 3: said this on the last podcast, I've said it before
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Speaker 3: in other interviews. But my strength, so I hope, or
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Speaker 3: I think anyway, is has always been creativity in music.
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Speaker 3: So the writing aspect, I can take some credit for that.
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Speaker 3: There are a few things I've written that I'm proud
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Speaker 3: of that I think are really cool and really fresh,
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Speaker 3: even still to this day. But as anyone who's recorded
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Speaker 3: with me in the studio can attest, I am not
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Speaker 3: great in the studio. I make a lot of mistakes.
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Speaker 3: There are tons of PUNEs. I can play it well
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Speaker 3: when when it's not recording, but as soon as the
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Speaker 3: record button is hit, you know, everything just falls to hell.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't mean to digress a little bit,
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Speaker 3: but I do I feel it necessary to state and
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Speaker 3: let everybody know that I am not a shredder. I
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Speaker 3: am not a great guitar player by any means. If
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Speaker 3: I have any merit, it's only in my creativity in writing.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying that you're expensive to record?
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Speaker 2: I have been. I definitely have been.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, in my old age, I'm a lot
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Speaker 3: more permissive than I used to be. Like back when
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Speaker 3: we recorded that within Blood Ole Tempered, I think that
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Speaker 3: I was exceptionally particular. And if there was any like
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Speaker 3: stray sounds or any ugliness and a chord, you know,
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Speaker 3: I would stop and say, we gotta we gotta punch
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Speaker 3: that in. But these days I tend to like what
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Speaker 3: I guess a lot of people call the happy accidents,
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Speaker 3: or you know, these little stray sounds, little noises that
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Speaker 3: you make. Sometimes a chord like I was saying, comes
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Speaker 3: out a little uglier than you intended. These days, I
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Speaker 3: kinda I gravitate towards that. I feel like it gives
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Speaker 3: it more character. But in the past, yes, I imagine
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Speaker 3: recording me was expensive.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's still is.
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Speaker 1: I think honestly, that's my favorite kind of like just
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Speaker 1: heavy music in general, is when you actually can hear
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Speaker 1: some of those like happy accidents, because when it's done
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Speaker 1: really kind of in this way where it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that actually works with the creativity of this song, it
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Speaker 1: actually is way better than actually trying to make that
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Speaker 1: song sound perfect. I've said it a million times on
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Speaker 1: this podcast before, but Colin An I's favorite band, like
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Speaker 1: as a friend group is The Chariot. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you ever heard of the Chariot ratter.
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Speaker 2: And I remember that it was one of your favorite bands.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were notorious for leaving. I mean there's
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Speaker 1: literally parts when like Josh Goggin, their vocalist, would you
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Speaker 1: could literally hear the spit hit his microphone when he
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Speaker 1: would scream, and they would leave that in And those
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Speaker 1: were like the moments where it's like, this is why
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Speaker 1: I love this music so much. And obviously it meant
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Speaker 1: that it probably wasn't going to be very commercially viable,
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Speaker 1: But what it did mean was it actually made this
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Speaker 1: like way more intimate experience for the listener. And so
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Speaker 1: that's why I love that kind of music, or the
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Speaker 1: recording of heavy music in that way where you can
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Speaker 1: actually hear some of those you know, quote unquote happy accidents.
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Speaker 3: Sure, I really appreciate them now. On the contrary, Eric Dellan,
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Speaker 3: who in the current lineup of Shihlud that's not playing
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Speaker 3: furnace fist.
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Speaker 2: He plays bass.
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Speaker 3: In that within bloodle tempered lineup of shi Alud, he
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Speaker 3: plays guitar. He again, on the contrary, likes a very clean,
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Speaker 3: modern recording. He and I are also in Zombie Apocalypse together,
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Speaker 3: and when he's around, he's not too fond of the
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Speaker 3: happy accidents. He likes everything to be. I don't want
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Speaker 3: to put words in his mouth, but just to say
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Speaker 3: that he likes things clean and modern, I think is
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Speaker 3: pretty fair to say. But like I said, I in
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Speaker 3: the past I was more like that and much less
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Speaker 3: so now now I'm I'm happy to let things most
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Speaker 3: things go unless I just simply can't play the riff,
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Speaker 3: which happens frequently too.
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Speaker 4: What do you what do you think caused that change
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Speaker 4: in you?
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Speaker 3: Uh, that's a good question. I don't know that I
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Speaker 3: really have an answer to it.
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Speaker 2: What you know?
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Speaker 1: What is it like the budget of Shin in the
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Speaker 1: recording studio.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be no one guy.
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Speaker 3: When we recorded that was in Blood Ale Tempered, there
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Speaker 3: was a guy whose name I I don't remember.
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Speaker 2: He was a really cool, unique guy.
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Speaker 3: I wish I could remember his name, but we were
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Speaker 3: recording the end of the song, ending the Perpetual tragedy.
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Speaker 3: And another thing that I have changed is I I
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Speaker 3: tend to pick a lot lighter these days. I find
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Speaker 3: that I can play better because I used to really
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Speaker 3: dig into the strings, and sometimes that's good and appropriate,
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Speaker 3: but I find generally, speaking with some of the complexity
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Speaker 3: in Hallud's music, if I play lighter, I played better.
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Speaker 3: So back then, when we were recording the end of
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Speaker 3: Ending the Perpetual Tragedy, I was really digging into the
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Speaker 3: strings and it it didn't sound like an open E
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Speaker 3: chord what I was strumming. It sounded really dirty and ugly.
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Speaker 3: And I told the guys that were recording me. There
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Speaker 3: were two guys in the room at that time, and
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Speaker 3: I said, we gotta I gotta repunch that in it
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Speaker 3: sounds sounds bad, sounds ugly, And the guy simply said
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Speaker 3: to me, sometimes ugly is beautiful. And I know that
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Speaker 3: sounds kind of cliche, but I would definitely be lying
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Speaker 3: if I said that it didn't make some sort of
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Speaker 3: impact on me. That definitely stayed with me, and I
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Speaker 3: fully understand where he's coming from now. Where As twenty
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Speaker 3: two or twenty three, however old I was at the time,
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Speaker 3: maybe twenty five, twenty six, twenty six year old kid,
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Speaker 3: I did not only did I not know that or
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Speaker 3: understand that, I didn't agree with it.
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Speaker 2: So I can't remember if we.
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Speaker 3: Ended up redoing those chords to make them sound prettier.
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Speaker 3: But that statement, again, sometimes ugly is beautiful, definitely stuck
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Speaker 3: with me. And when I'm recording these days, But if
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Speaker 3: I hear those ugly chords or those happy accidents, I'm
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Speaker 3: more prone to say that's cool.
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Speaker 2: I like that, whereas I didn't used to do that before.
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Speaker 3: So to answer your question directly, I don't know that
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Speaker 3: I have the best answer, but that statement that the
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Speaker 3: guy made about ugly being beautiful definitely made an impact.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I definitely think like that. There's a
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Speaker 1: way where a recording can be done so poorly where
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Speaker 1: it's distracting, like the just the production of it is
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Speaker 1: so distracting because of how poorly it's done, but done
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Speaker 1: in a really tasteful way, it actually again, like Coulinar
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Speaker 1: are saying, it really can actually add to the the
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Speaker 1: experience as a listener. You know, I think of like
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Speaker 1: the ones in my mind that when I think of
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Speaker 1: like really poor product, like poor production. Even though I
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Speaker 1: would imagine like the rest of this metal community would
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Speaker 1: disagree with this, but I think a lot of that
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Speaker 1: early black metal stuff, you know, where it sounds like
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Speaker 1: it's recorded out of one microphone live sure sounds I
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Speaker 1: mean it just to me, it sounds garbled, it sounds
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Speaker 1: just bad, and to me, the production of it, it
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Speaker 1: is so bad that it's distracting, Whereas again I think
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Speaker 1: I think of some of these happy accidents as not
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Speaker 1: necessarily distracting. They actually really add to the listening experiences
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Speaker 1: as a fan. Whereas again I think if it's done
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Speaker 1: in such a poor way, then it actually becomes distracting.
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Speaker 1: And again that's where I think of like some of
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Speaker 1: the early black metal releases as just being like the
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Speaker 1: production of that it just feels distracting. Sure, Whereas again
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Speaker 1: like something like From the Chariot or some of like
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Speaker 1: even maybe potentially some of your recordings where there are
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Speaker 1: some of these happy accidents actually really adds a lot
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Speaker 1: of value.
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Speaker 2: I think, uh yeah, I enjoy it. I even like.
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Speaker 3: I'm not the biggest black metal fan, but I find
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Speaker 3: that there's a lot of charm in the early Emperor recordings.
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Speaker 3: They sound terrible, like you said, record out of one mic,
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Speaker 3: maybe just with a cassette player, you know, recorder, who knows,
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Speaker 3: But there's sometimes for me anyway, the content can speak
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Speaker 3: louder than the production. And that's how I feel about
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Speaker 3: the some of the early Emperor recordings.
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Speaker 1: Like I.
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Speaker 2: Think it's called I Am the Black Wizards.
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Speaker 3: Maybe I find the content so charming and so cool
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Speaker 3: that I don't mind the production. Also another album that
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Speaker 3: I love. A friend of mine and former bandmate of mine,
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Speaker 3: Steve Kleisath, thinks I hate these guys, but I do
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Speaker 3: not hate these guys. That would be Sepulta the album
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Speaker 3: Beneath the Remains. I absolutely hate the guitar sound. It
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Speaker 3: sounds like a Metals, like a bad metal zone pedal.
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Speaker 2: And I the guitar.
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Speaker 3: Sound is so distracting to me, But again, the content
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Speaker 3: is so good that I can still listen to the record.
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Speaker 3: So that's how it works with me, and that within
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Speaker 3: blood tempered guitarist Eric Dellan, whose birthday is today by
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Speaker 3: the way, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: If he pops on, we can embarrass him a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But Eric Dellan pretty much hates everything that I grew
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Speaker 3: up listening to because in the in the he's about
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Speaker 3: a decade younger than me, and the content doesn't seem
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Speaker 3: to matter. He just hears reverb on the snare and
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Speaker 3: he's I'm out, I can't listen to this.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in his mouth, but
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Speaker 3: if he if he pops on, he'll tell you how
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Speaker 3: he feels about all the things that I used to
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Speaker 3: or still to this day love. But to sum up, yeah,
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Speaker 3: sometimes the content can outweigh the bad production, at least
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Speaker 3: for me it can.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 4: And going along with that idea of content being kind
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Speaker 4: of like a saving graysometimes, you know you have always
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Speaker 4: been what I would consider a masterful lyrical writer. Oh thanks,
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Speaker 4: And I don't necessarily know where it comes from, because
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Speaker 4: you seem like your your personality that comes through on
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Speaker 4: stage and comes through right here, right now, does not
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Speaker 4: seem to match a lot of the the topics and
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Speaker 4: themes that you broach while writing. And I'm curious where
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Speaker 4: does that come from from you?
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Speaker 2: For you the lyrical approach.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think one thing that I recall from
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Speaker 3: back in the day because the only reason that I
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Speaker 3: started writing, I mean, I used to write as a child,
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Speaker 3: Like every.
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Speaker 2: Kid, I wrote poetry.
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Speaker 3: I even wrote a poem that one third place in
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Speaker 3: a high school contest.
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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I got third place. I thought it should
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Speaker 2: have been in the first place. I was really proud
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Speaker 2: of that poem.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, one thing that I recall from back in
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Speaker 3: the day is, if we're gonna be about quote unquote hatred,
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Speaker 3: we've got to be smart.
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Speaker 2: You know, it can't it can't be.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna come across really silly if the lyrics are
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Speaker 3: poorly written or poorly thought out. So, and what I
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Speaker 3: was saying, but I cut myself off was the only
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Speaker 3: reason I started writing lyrics is because our original vocalist
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Speaker 3: who's a good friend of mine still the singer of
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Speaker 3: As Friends RUSS, a guy named Damian Moyle writing the
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Speaker 3: lyrics when he was the singer for the band, and
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Speaker 3: when we parted ways with him, I just kind of
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Speaker 3: took over because we needed lyrics. So yeah, without talking
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Speaker 3: for an hour about it, I just we all agreed,
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Speaker 3: inspired a lot by the hardcore band SFA from New
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Speaker 3: York City that we wanted to be again quote unquote
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Speaker 3: hate core, or we wanted to discuss hatred.
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Speaker 2: I just knew that it might come across heavy handed,
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Speaker 2: and due to that, again, it just couldn't be poorly written.
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Speaker 3: So I write light years above my ability to speak.
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Speaker 3: You know, I say like I say, You know, I stutter,
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Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm talking about half the time.
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Speaker 3: But when I'm writing lyrics, know I can be so
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Speaker 3: I can be smarter, I can I can think out
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Speaker 3: the the concepts rather than just doing it off the
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Speaker 3: top of my head. So I'm really really thankful that
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Speaker 3: you appreciate the lyrics. I think those are my favorite
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Speaker 3: compliments that at least that I get from Shaihalud is
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Speaker 3: when somebody appreciates or can relate to the lyrics, because
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Speaker 3: I think that that hits just a little deeper sometimes
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Speaker 3: in the music.
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Speaker 2: So thanks for the appreciation. I I am grateful.
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Speaker 4: So you seem like you have a very bubbly personality
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Speaker 4: and kind of a laid back personality. You seem like
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Speaker 4: you're you're very go with the flow kind of individual.
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Speaker 4: When I listened to Shai lude, I don't always know
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Speaker 4: how you know your square peg fits in that round hole,
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, sure, it seems like
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Speaker 4: two very different people, and maybe it's a you know,
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Speaker 4: doctor Jackal mister Hyde kind of thing, but I'm curious,
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Speaker 4: like where where does that inspiration for that kind of
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Speaker 4: hatred come from?
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Speaker 2: Well, the i'll say.
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Speaker 3: The best and the worst of me comes out in
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Speaker 3: the lyrics, you know, Like take a song like Reach
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Speaker 3: Beyond the Sun. The lyrics are extremely positive and very
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Speaker 3: immensely optimistic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to think that I'm.
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Speaker 3: Optimistic and a positive person, but I also have my
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Speaker 3: obviously my dark times as well. So but Reach Beyond
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Speaker 3: the Sun is an example of the absolute best of me. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: whereas I'm trying to think maybe a song like set
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Speaker 3: Your Body a Blaze or misanthro Be Pure, even though
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Speaker 3: I think they still hinge on optimism, you know, feature
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Speaker 3: the darker thoughts that I have, or maybe a profound
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Speaker 3: hatred of man, where the first line is if these
22:21
Speaker 3: hands would only kill.
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Speaker 2: But we were just talking.
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Speaker 3: On this, this last practice that we just had with
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Speaker 3: all the guys. We were playing an old song from
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Speaker 3: our split Withindecision that came out I think in ninety eight.
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Speaker 3: The song is the first song on the split. It's
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Speaker 3: called The Bonds of Those who Have No Understanding of Consequence.
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Speaker 3: And in that song the words I am a violent
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Speaker 3: tendency are written and spoken. And I don't know how
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Speaker 3: old I was when I wrote that, But not only
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Speaker 3: am I not a violent tendency by any stretch of
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Speaker 3: the imagination. Uh, you know, I I guess maybe at
23:12
Speaker 3: one point, I don't know if I was being dramatic
23:15
Speaker 3: or if I really felt like I'm on the edge man,
23:19
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, but yeah, the Doctor Heckel
23:25
Speaker 3: miss no, Doctor Jekyl. I was quoting a minute work
23:29
Speaker 3: song Doctor Jekyl and mister No, it's the other way,
23:32
Speaker 3: doctor Heckel and mister Jive is the song. But maybe
23:36
Speaker 3: it's a doctor Jekyl thing, because yeah, like I said,
23:42
Speaker 3: the best and the worst come out in the lyrics.
23:46
Speaker 3: I like to think these days that I I do
23:49
Speaker 3: better than I am a violent tendency.
23:51
Speaker 1: However, there does definitely does seem to be like kind
23:56
Speaker 1: of this uh, this theme within just the history of
24:01
Speaker 1: like hardcore and even like metal of of not just
24:06
Speaker 1: like hey, there's like this aggression that I have, but
24:09
Speaker 1: also like here the like the beauty, Like here's the
24:12
Speaker 1: beauty of being a human being. It's like kind of
24:15
Speaker 1: this weird like balance that you're like navigating. And that's
24:18
Speaker 1: not just you know, hardcore and metal that's trying to
24:21
Speaker 1: navigate that lyrical kind of balance, Like lots of different
24:24
Speaker 1: genres try to do that, but it is interesting how
24:26
Speaker 1: there's such a pronounced way of doing that both in
24:31
Speaker 1: hardcore and metal, and obviously you guys are kind of
24:32
Speaker 1: intertwining those And I've got another question around that. But
24:36
Speaker 1: it is interesting how hardcore and metal really have this
24:41
Speaker 1: theme throughout its history of trying to balance both of
24:44
Speaker 1: those both obviously, because there is kind of this natural
24:48
Speaker 1: aggression to the music. I mean, it's very distorted music.
24:50
Speaker 1: There's breakdowns, there's this you know, just kind of natural
24:53
Speaker 1: like anks to the music. Yeah, but also there's so
24:58
Speaker 1: much beauty to it as well, and you're.
25:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, on the record that within bloodle Tempered, there's
25:07
Speaker 3: a poem that is on the Little Flap of the CD.
25:13
Speaker 3: It must be on the vinyl somewhere, but it's definitely
25:17
Speaker 3: on the little Flap of the CD. And I'm paraphrasing
25:22
Speaker 3: it because I don't recall it exactly offhand, but it
25:25
Speaker 3: says something like this is as bitter as it is beautiful,
25:29
Speaker 3: and it says it talks about the contrast of feelings
25:33
Speaker 3: and how the things that are within blood ill tempered
25:40
Speaker 3: are both bitter and beautiful. That the contradiction is there,
25:44
Speaker 3: The contrast is there, you know, when you have of
25:49
Speaker 3: course I don't consider myself to have ill tempered blood,
25:54
Speaker 3: but you know, the the contradiction in every human being
26:00
Speaker 3: is there, and that's why on that within bloodle tempered.
26:04
Speaker 3: You've got a song like Ending the Perpetual Tragedy, which
26:07
Speaker 3: is criticizing violence and revenge and scornful of the virtue
26:13
Speaker 3: and motives of others, which is basically about cynicism, versus
26:21
Speaker 3: a song like this song, which is purely about all
26:25
Speaker 3: things beautiful, and that it all came from me, It
26:30
Speaker 3: all came from the same person, well people, I should say,
26:33
Speaker 3: because Matt Fletcher, longtime bass player, also contributed to the lyrics,
26:37
Speaker 3: as did Vanderveldt. So yeah, the contradiction is definitely there.
26:44
Speaker 3: One little anecdote I wanted to mention, kind of jumping
26:48
Speaker 3: back a little bit about the dichotomy that you were
26:51
Speaker 3: saying between me as a person and the lyrics. It's funny.
26:56
Speaker 3: I used to work and I probably for all I know,
26:59
Speaker 3: I said this on the last podcast we did, But
27:03
Speaker 3: I used to work at a record store in South Florida,
27:06
Speaker 3: and you know, as a record store guy, you get
27:08
Speaker 3: to be friends with people, especially that like the same
27:12
Speaker 3: music as you do. You know, you recommend stuff and
27:15
Speaker 3: you become kind of friends. So I became friendly with
27:17
Speaker 3: this guy, and you know, we started hanging out and
27:21
Speaker 3: one time he came back to my apartment and he
27:25
Speaker 3: walked into my room and.
27:27
Speaker 2: He said, you're kidding, And I said, what you know?
27:33
Speaker 3: And he said, I just I can't believe that the
27:36
Speaker 3: guy who wrote a song called solely concentrating on the
27:40
Speaker 3: negative aspects of life lives in this room, you know,
27:45
Speaker 3: filled with Muppets and Snoopy and Fonsie and snow White
27:51
Speaker 3: and seven Dwarves and Superman, you know, all these kind
27:55
Speaker 3: of optimistic positive things. And I, you know, I've at
28:01
Speaker 3: that point, I was still pretty young, and I remember
28:04
Speaker 3: finding that really interesting, like, wow, you know, so I
28:08
Speaker 3: have a dark side that's coming out in the music
28:13
Speaker 3: that is not necessarily in tune with my actual personality.
28:19
Speaker 3: So yeah, at risk of repeating myself, there's again the
28:25
Speaker 3: best and the.
28:25
Speaker 2: Worst sides of me come out in the lyrics.
28:27
Speaker 4: Do you almost think of there's like a fantasy that
28:31
Speaker 4: you're living with that too.
28:33
Speaker 2: Like maybe the violent tendency part, I don't.
28:36
Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, that's what I mean, Like like you maybe
28:39
Speaker 4: in a in some fantastical imaginative story that you tell
28:45
Speaker 4: inside your own head of like if if this that
28:50
Speaker 4: I or if this happened, then I would I would
28:52
Speaker 4: have some violent tendency.
28:53
Speaker 3: I tell you, I the only thing that makes me
28:57
Speaker 3: have violent tendencies are when people chew loud.
29:01
Speaker 4: Uh you would hate Mason.
29:05
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pretty bad. No, I'm just so.
29:10
Speaker 1: But but if but if that's like, if that's what
29:12
Speaker 1: like triggers the violent tendencies, Uh, there's a very real
29:17
Speaker 1: possibility that could happen at any point then, because you
29:20
Speaker 1: could be around anybody that is chewing, you know, just
29:24
Speaker 1: with their mouth.
29:24
Speaker 3: Mightn't Yeah, and definitely uh instill some negative emotions in me.
29:32
Speaker 3: But I don't think I I mean, I have never
29:35
Speaker 3: been a violent person, nor have I, to the best
29:39
Speaker 3: of my recollection, ever been a violent tendency. But as
29:43
Speaker 3: far as the fantasy aspect, there's definitely some fantasy.
29:47
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of the lyrics that I write.
29:49
Speaker 3: Are a little story, a little almost little science fiction
29:52
Speaker 3: stories like again Reached Beyond the Sun is you know,
29:56
Speaker 3: a story about a guy who's around a bunch of
30:00
Speaker 3: miserable people because they're all living under a.
30:02
Speaker 2: Literally a black sun.
30:05
Speaker 3: You know, the sun has gone out, so there's some
30:10
Speaker 3: fantastical elements. And also in a song off bloodle Tempered
30:14
Speaker 3: Given Fight by Demon's Wings, you know it says somewhere
30:18
Speaker 3: in the lyrics, I'm not simply strong. I may very
30:22
Speaker 3: well be the strongest man that ever lived. Clearly I'm not,
30:26
Speaker 3: you know, not on the inside or the outside. So yeah,
30:32
Speaker 3: you know, there's you take the creative license and you embellish,
30:36
Speaker 3: you know, for the emotion, you know, because what are
30:41
Speaker 3: you gonna say?
30:42
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not simply strong.
30:44
Speaker 3: But you know I get by, you know, you have to.
30:50
Speaker 3: You take some dramatic license, and I think that person,
30:54
Speaker 3: I mean, it appeals.
30:55
Speaker 2: To me anyway.
30:56
Speaker 3: I don't know if it appeals to anyone else, but
30:59
Speaker 3: that kind of drama in lyrics, especially when there's a
31:05
Speaker 3: vocalist screaming is you know, head off, creates a really
31:10
Speaker 3: nice emotion.
31:11
Speaker 2: So yeah, I agree.
31:14
Speaker 1: Well, Matt, I was going to ask you a question,
31:17
Speaker 1: and I don't remember, Matt, last time we chat out
31:20
Speaker 1: with you if if you had talked about this or not.
31:23
Speaker 1: But obviously you were coming uh to Shihalud at a
31:28
Speaker 1: time where there was a very distinct division between metal
31:32
Speaker 1: and hardcore. Sure, and I think that's part of the
31:35
Speaker 1: reason why what makes Shihlud so unique and one of
31:38
Speaker 1: kind of the originators of you know, quote unquote metalcore
31:42
Speaker 1: is because you merged these two genres in a way
31:44
Speaker 1: that like actually worked really well. But you were at
31:48
Speaker 1: a time where when you were a kid, there was
31:51
Speaker 1: a very distinct difference between being a metal person and
31:54
Speaker 1: being a hardcore person, and they were not just for
31:57
Speaker 1: the most part from my understanding, and you know, I
31:59
Speaker 1: wasn't around that that time, but my understanding is not
32:03
Speaker 1: just was there a difference in the sound between those
32:05
Speaker 1: two genres, but also like there wasn't a much crossover
32:09
Speaker 1: between the fans, like like the fans even at times
32:12
Speaker 1: might have even like had it had like some animosity
32:15
Speaker 1: towards each other. I'm just curious song about it, right,
32:20
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious, like what was it like to
32:23
Speaker 1: be a band like Shaihalud, who is super early and
32:26
Speaker 1: trying to merge both of these genres and therefore both
32:30
Speaker 1: of these music scenes where you're almost merging like two
32:33
Speaker 1: communities in a lot of ways had animosity towards each other.
32:38
Speaker 1: Like what was that like in particular? And maybe that
32:42
Speaker 1: wasn't the experience of you know, that totally could be
32:44
Speaker 1: a thing, but I'm just curious, like that had to
32:46
Speaker 1: have been maybe potentially a thing in the late nineties
32:49
Speaker 1: when you guys got started.
32:50
Speaker 2: Well, I have two responses to that one.
32:54
Speaker 3: Obviously, there were tons of band, especially from New York City,
33:04
Speaker 3: that were merging hardcore and metal long before I probably
33:08
Speaker 3: even picked up a guitar. So you know, I'm grateful
33:14
Speaker 3: that you would consider us to be an originator of anything.
33:18
Speaker 2: But you know, that sound was definitely around long The.
33:23
Speaker 3: Sound and the term metalcore were around long before shi
33:28
Speaker 3: Halud was the Next thing that I could say is
33:33
Speaker 3: that I initially I always considered Shilude to be a
33:40
Speaker 3: hardcore band. You know, I don't think that. I mean,
33:44
Speaker 3: there's a couple heavier riffs on the Profound seven inch
33:48
Speaker 3: and hearts once nourished the album, but I don't think
33:52
Speaker 3: it's all about metal. You know, the metal core thing
33:58
Speaker 3: or stigma came around that within bloodle Tempered when it
34:05
Speaker 3: really wasn't in my opinion. What do I know though,
34:09
Speaker 3: you know, having been with us in the studio when
34:13
Speaker 3: we recorded that within Bluttle Tempered, yeah, that's for sure.
34:19
Speaker 3: But you know, more than incorporating metal into that, within
34:26
Speaker 3: bloodle Tempered, we were incorporating progressive ideas. Yea, and I stole.
34:34
Speaker 3: You know I call us now. You'll never hear me
34:37
Speaker 3: refer to Shaylud as a metal core band. If anything,
34:40
Speaker 3: I refer to us as a progressive hardcore band, And
34:43
Speaker 3: I guess with progressive ideas comes some more challenging parts
34:51
Speaker 3: which can be confused with being metal perhaps. But I
34:56
Speaker 3: remember when we went to go mix or I'm sorry,
35:00
Speaker 3: when we went to go master that within bloodle Tempered.
35:02
Speaker 3: We mastered it in California, and I was with a
35:05
Speaker 3: guy from Revelation Records, a guy named Larry hy Larry
35:11
Speaker 3: and and Larry was huge into hardcore and he was
35:17
Speaker 3: expect He went to go have the album mastered with me,
35:21
Speaker 3: and when he heard the album as it was being mastered,
35:24
Speaker 3: he said, I'm so surprised at how hardcore this is.
35:28
Speaker 3: Like we had the reputation of being extremely metal, and
35:33
Speaker 3: I think he was expecting to hear us sound something
35:38
Speaker 3: like Morning Again, who's so much.
35:41
Speaker 2: More metal than we are.
35:42
Speaker 3: I mean, they have, you know, proper Slayer inspired riffs.
35:48
Speaker 3: I don't think Shai Lude has anything inspired. I mean,
35:52
Speaker 3: I love Slayer, one of my all time favorites, but
35:55
Speaker 3: I don't think we have anything necessarily that's inspired.
35:58
Speaker 2: By Slayer musically, well not lyrically either.
36:04
Speaker 3: So yeah, my take on it all is that we're
36:07
Speaker 3: more of a progressive hardcore band than we are metal.
36:12
Speaker 3: We did embrace the term metal core back then, but
36:15
Speaker 3: I don't think I was aware that it wasn't as
36:19
Speaker 3: metal as maybe we had thought. The whole progressive hardcore
36:23
Speaker 3: thing came much later, as I was looking back in retrospect, thinking,
36:29
Speaker 3: you know what, it's not that metal.
36:31
Speaker 2: It's more progressive, you see.
36:33
Speaker 4: And I think Mason and I have maybe this perspective
36:37
Speaker 4: to us. It almost seems like some you know, neckbeard
36:41
Speaker 4: guy clacking away behind his keyboard, trying to almost cause
36:48
Speaker 4: derision and division wherever possible. I don't care what the
36:52
Speaker 4: genre is. If I like it, I like it, you know.
36:54
Speaker 4: And I just I don't understand the argument where we
36:57
Speaker 4: have to silo and already alternative music scene into smaller
37:03
Speaker 4: and smaller silos, you know it. It just it never
37:07
Speaker 4: made sense to me, and I know Mason feels the
37:09
Speaker 4: same way. It just like break out of that. And
37:13
Speaker 4: I think that what Mason and I are trying to
37:15
Speaker 4: get at here is we're just thankful that Shai Elude
37:19
Speaker 4: and many many other bands, but Shai Elude is one
37:22
Speaker 4: of those bands that certainly said, well fuck it, Like
37:26
Speaker 4: who cares what what the genre is is. If you
37:30
Speaker 4: like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't write.
37:32
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
37:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I mean in furthermore, what I think again,
37:38
Speaker 1: whether Schihalud originated metalcore or not, like you know that
37:43
Speaker 1: that's here and nor there, But what it is to
37:46
Speaker 1: say is that you guys were apart very early on
37:49
Speaker 1: a part of something that has really changed metal and hardcore,
37:53
Speaker 1: both metal and hardcore music to the point where now,
37:58
Speaker 1: like honestly, seriously, I kid you not, when I listen
38:02
Speaker 1: to the like new knock Loose album, I hear like
38:07
Speaker 1: if Schihlud's like early stuff was recorded in twenty twenty four,
38:11
Speaker 1: that to me sounds like what knocked Loose is at
38:14
Speaker 1: now okay, right, like you guys and here and that's
38:17
Speaker 1: not like that's I don't know what you guys think
38:19
Speaker 1: about knock Loose, maybe you guys like him or not,
38:21
Speaker 1: but like it is to say, knocked Loose at one
38:23
Speaker 1: point this year was charting higher than Taylor Swift, who
38:27
Speaker 1: is the biggest music artist of almost of all of history,
38:32
Speaker 1: like and Knocked Loose was charting higher than her, a
38:35
Speaker 1: band that literally does not sound all that different other
38:38
Speaker 1: than the production value of twenty twenty four from a
38:42
Speaker 1: band like Chilhud. That blows my mind that a band
38:45
Speaker 1: like that that can sound like that can have that
38:47
Speaker 1: level of success. Us. Yeah again, I would. I would
38:52
Speaker 1: like I would argue whether or not whether or not
38:54
Speaker 1: Knocked Loose is actually influenced by Shihlud. Although I would
38:57
Speaker 1: I would wouldn't be surprised if you they are, whether
39:01
Speaker 1: or not they are, Like, they clearly have had some
39:04
Speaker 1: level of influence by other bands that were then therefore
39:08
Speaker 1: influenced by Chihalud. So anyway, that's all I say. Like,
39:13
Speaker 1: it's incredible, like what you guys were doing created something
39:17
Speaker 1: that eventually became something that was actually really possible within
39:21
Speaker 1: the music industry to be like even semi successful and
39:25
Speaker 1: still saying like true to that, like really kind of
39:28
Speaker 1: like gritty and underground sound that you guys all created.
39:32
Speaker 2: Well, thanks man, that's uh some kind words there. I
39:35
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
39:38
Speaker 1: Well. Speaking of Furnace Fest, let's chat a little bit
39:41
Speaker 1: about it. Obviously that was kind of the main reason
39:43
Speaker 1: why we wanted to bring you guys on. Yeah, Like,
39:47
Speaker 1: what are you guys looking forward to furness Fest. Maybe
39:49
Speaker 1: there's like maybe some songs that you guys haven't played
39:52
Speaker 1: in a while. Maybe there's even potentially newer songs that
39:54
Speaker 1: you haven't played that you're playing on playing, or maybe
39:57
Speaker 1: it's just like generally like being at the festival and
40:00
Speaker 1: like you're gonna be able to see lots of friends
40:01
Speaker 1: that you've been seen for a while. Like I'm just curious,
40:03
Speaker 1: like what are you all looking forward to?
40:05
Speaker 3: My absolute favorite thing to do, and I've done it
40:09
Speaker 3: probably when Furnestfest originated back in the early two thousands,
40:14
Speaker 3: and the last couple of times that we were fortunate
40:17
Speaker 3: enough to play is sitting in the catering area and
40:23
Speaker 3: seeing a bunch of people, meeting new people in bands
40:27
Speaker 3: that I like or had just never met before, and
40:31
Speaker 3: seeing old friends. I could sit at the catering table
40:35
Speaker 3: for hours and just have a rotating you know, rotating
40:41
Speaker 3: chairs of different people. You know, Oh, hey, man, how's
40:44
Speaker 3: it going?
40:45
Speaker 1: As long as the caterers are keep bringing you food? Right,
40:47
Speaker 1: that's why you sit there, right.
40:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, feed me and talk to and Mustard always feed
40:53
Speaker 3: me and talk to me.
40:55
Speaker 2: No, but that's that's my absolute favorite thing to do.
40:57
Speaker 3: I mean, I like to catch some of the bands,
41:01
Speaker 3: of course, But I remember, like the first furnace Fest
41:07
Speaker 3: back that we played, I was talking to my friend
41:10
Speaker 3: the Dean who was who plays in Poison the Well.
41:14
Speaker 3: I was talking to Marty from Zail. I was talking
41:18
Speaker 3: to just so many different people, And you know, I
41:23
Speaker 3: looked at the time and three or four or five
41:26
Speaker 3: maybe hours had passed while I'm just sitting at this
41:29
Speaker 3: table bonding with people that I had haven't seen in
41:35
Speaker 3: a long time, or hadn't even met yet. I think
41:37
Speaker 3: the first time I actually really met Marty was at
41:41
Speaker 3: the first new furnace Fest and we had we had
41:45
Speaker 3: a blast, you know. And that's so I don't want
41:48
Speaker 3: to take up too much more time, but speaking for myself,
41:52
Speaker 3: meeting and chatting with people in the quiet area is
42:00
Speaker 3: my absolute favorite thing to do at furnace Fest.
42:03
Speaker 1: I love that. Are there are there any potential surprises
42:08
Speaker 1: that fans of Shihlud could expect at this year's furnace Fest.
42:13
Speaker 1: Maybe if it's a surprise, maybe maybe it's maybe it's
42:16
Speaker 1: Matt stage diving. What what is it that he's.
42:19
Speaker 4: Got a stage dive?
42:21
Speaker 3: I did I ever tell you my Did I ever
42:25
Speaker 3: tell you my stage diving story?
42:26
Speaker 2: I don't know if I told you on the last
42:27
Speaker 2: I don't think.
42:28
Speaker 1: I think I think you maybe had mentioned it last time,
42:31
Speaker 1: didn't you say that? Like? I forget how it went,
42:34
Speaker 1: But I do remember there being some kind of stage
42:37
Speaker 1: diving story last time.
42:38
Speaker 3: Okay, well, uh, In brief to recap, there was a
42:42
Speaker 3: local band from Florida who I love still loves to
42:45
Speaker 3: this day, called Quit And I was about twenty years old,
42:49
Speaker 3: and I jumped on stage and I staged dove at
42:53
Speaker 3: like the perfect time in regards to the rhythm. You know,
42:57
Speaker 3: it was like it was all set up to be
42:59
Speaker 3: the most glorious age dive. And when I looked in
43:03
Speaker 3: while I was in mid air at who I was
43:06
Speaker 3: landing on, it was three girls.
43:09
Speaker 2: Who screamed and scattered. They screamed and scattered.
43:14
Speaker 3: And I landed on my hands, knees, and face, and
43:18
Speaker 3: I got up and started moshing like that's what I
43:20
Speaker 3: intended to do.
43:22
Speaker 1: That And that's the last time you staged over, right.
43:25
Speaker 3: Aside from one other time where somebody I don't know
43:30
Speaker 3: if it was somebody in the band, or if it
43:33
Speaker 3: was somebody from the crowd, but somebody threw me into
43:35
Speaker 3: the crowd with my guitar and I was absolutely terrified.
43:43
Speaker 2: I some of us are.
43:45
Speaker 3: Built tamash and some of us are are you know not?
43:50
Speaker 2: And I am clearly not. So there will be no
43:54
Speaker 2: stage diving.
43:55
Speaker 4: Well you just said that someone successfully threw you into
43:59
Speaker 4: the crowd. Yeah, why, I'm not going to give the
44:01
Speaker 4: listeners any ideas, nudge nudge say.
44:05
Speaker 2: So now it's it's all out there.
44:07
Speaker 3: But as far as real surprises, I don't want to
44:11
Speaker 3: give anything away as far as what you know we'll
44:13
Speaker 3: be playing and stuff, But I think there's definitely gonna
44:17
Speaker 3: be a couple of surprises in there for some people.
44:19
Speaker 2: We've given away here and there a.
44:21
Speaker 3: Few things, you know, posting from our last practice together,
44:26
Speaker 3: but we kept a lot of the surprises to ourselves.
44:30
Speaker 3: So yeah, hopefully people will be excited by what we
44:36
Speaker 3: have chosen to play and we'll have a great time,
44:39
Speaker 3: I hope.
44:40
Speaker 4: So what's what's the lineup going to be? Or can
44:42
Speaker 4: you can you share that?
44:43
Speaker 3: As far as who's playing in the band, who's playing? Sure,
44:47
Speaker 3: Well I'm on one guitar. Uh, it's it's essentially everyone
44:53
Speaker 3: who had something to do with that within Bloodle Tempered.
44:57
Speaker 3: You know, it's me on guitar, Matt Fletcher on bass guitar. He,
45:02
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, he wrote lyrics for that within
45:06
Speaker 3: bloodle Tempered, and the thrash part that Dellan was talking
45:10
Speaker 3: about in the song Scornful, Fletcher actually wrote that riff too,
45:16
Speaker 3: So he wrote music and lyrics for Bloodle Tempered. Gear
45:20
Speaker 3: wrote lyrics and music for that within Bundle Tempered, and
45:24
Speaker 3: he obviously sang on the record he'll be there. And
45:28
Speaker 3: the drummer on that within Buddle Tempered is our friend
45:33
Speaker 3: Tony Tintari, who we haven't played with in geez I
45:37
Speaker 3: guess over twenty years now, and the first time we
45:42
Speaker 3: played with him was just like I said, a week
45:45
Speaker 3: or so ago. So that's those are the guys from
45:50
Speaker 3: that within Buddle Tempered, and furthermore, Dellan Eric Dellan. He
45:56
Speaker 3: didn't contribute musically to the record, but he was. We
46:04
Speaker 3: were This is right about the right, right about the
46:07
Speaker 3: time when we started becoming like really good friends. And yeah,
46:11
Speaker 3: we didn't like him as a drummer, but we liked
46:13
Speaker 3: him as a person, so we kept him around. But uh,
46:18
Speaker 3: Dellan was there in the studio with us, and he
46:21
Speaker 3: is all over the record vocally. That's right around the
46:25
Speaker 3: time we found out and I think also that he
46:27
Speaker 3: found out that he had a great voice, and uh,
46:32
Speaker 3: you know, we loved his voice so much that we
46:35
Speaker 3: had him back geared up on so many places on
46:38
Speaker 3: the record. So essentially this lineup is everybody who helped
46:44
Speaker 3: to create in some form or fashion that within Bloodle Temper.
46:49
Speaker 2: Wow.
46:50
Speaker 1: So no J on this on this show.
46:52
Speaker 2: No Jay opened the barbershop in California.
46:55
Speaker 3: He moved out there, So I don't know if he'll
46:58
Speaker 3: be at Furness vest I had talked to him in
47:01
Speaker 3: a couple of months. Hopefully it would be nice to
47:04
Speaker 3: see him. But as far as the lineup, it's myself, Eric,
47:09
Speaker 3: Matt Fletcher, Gett, and Tony Tintari beautiful Eric.
47:14
Speaker 1: Just so you know, last time we saw Shai Halud,
47:17
Speaker 1: Jay was doing vocals and so you got to get
47:21
Speaker 1: a lot more tattoos. I mean maybe you have a lot,
47:24
Speaker 1: but that guy is head to toe in tats and
47:28
Speaker 1: by the way, you're gonna have to be out in
47:29
Speaker 1: the crowd the entire time, because last time we saw
47:32
Speaker 1: him he was basically in the crowd the entire time.
47:36
Speaker 1: Should we jump into guilty pleasures calling do it to
47:39
Speaker 1: it Mace? All right, well, Matt, we already kind of
47:42
Speaker 1: prepped you on this guilty pleasures. The way we think
47:44
Speaker 1: of this is not necessarily that you feel guilty listening
47:47
Speaker 1: to these musicians or bands, but that you know, maybe
47:51
Speaker 1: like your friends or people in like your metal community
47:54
Speaker 1: would make fun of you for. Okay, So again as
47:59
Speaker 1: an example, I love Train drops the Jupiter, or I'm
48:06
Speaker 1: jumping in the dance pit, Culin loves Abba, Abba comes on,
48:11
Speaker 1: Dancy Queen comes on, Culin is going all out. So
48:15
Speaker 1: think of those kind of like artists for you that
48:17
Speaker 1: like people would either make fun of you for or
48:19
Speaker 1: maybe you kind of secretly feel guilty about listening to.
48:22
Speaker 1: But think of those like three artists that you're really
48:25
Speaker 1: into that you know, maybe you're made fun of for
48:28
Speaker 1: kind of feel guilty about.
48:29
Speaker 3: So, just so a quick little anecdote about Blood, Ill
48:32
Speaker 3: Tempered and Abba.
48:35
Speaker 1: It's very connection.
48:36
Speaker 2: There is a connection.
48:38
Speaker 3: I wrote a riff that a modified version of it
48:43
Speaker 3: ended up in the song Scornful, the first song on
48:45
Speaker 3: bloodle Tempered, and I wrote this riff that I was
48:48
Speaker 3: so proud of, and I ran up to our bass
48:51
Speaker 3: player's room. At the time, Fletcher was still on guitar
48:54
Speaker 3: and our bass player was a friend of ours named Jared.
48:58
Speaker 3: So I ran up to Jared's room and I said,
49:02
Speaker 3: check out this simple but awesome riff I wrote. And
49:06
Speaker 3: he looks at me and he says, you're kidding, right,
49:08
Speaker 3: And I said, no, what you don't like it?
49:11
Speaker 2: And he said, that's Dancing Queen.
49:15
Speaker 3: Apparently I had written the melody of Dancing Queen and
49:21
Speaker 3: I'd never heard the song before.
49:23
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
49:24
Speaker 1: How's that even possible.
49:26
Speaker 3: I'll give you the answer that I always give when somebody,
49:30
Speaker 3: particularly Steve Kleisath, is marveling at the idea that I
49:35
Speaker 3: don't know these songs that.
49:37
Speaker 2: The whole world knows.
49:39
Speaker 3: My canned response is always it wasn't on any of
49:42
Speaker 3: my Nuclear Assault cassettes. And you know, it's funny, but
49:48
Speaker 3: it's true because that's what I listened to. So you know,
49:53
Speaker 3: that guy Steve and I were talking just the other
49:57
Speaker 3: night and he couldn't believe that I didn't know Greg kinn,
50:02
Speaker 3: the guy who just died.
50:03
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you guys know who he is. I heard the name.
50:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, probably wasn't on your nuclear saw causeets either. Anyway,
50:11
Speaker 3: he couldn't believe that I didn't know his most popular song,
50:14
Speaker 3: a song called the Breakup Song, And you know, he
50:18
Speaker 3: had me play it and I listened to it, and
50:20
Speaker 3: I go, yeah, I never know it.
50:21
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't know it. He goes, how did
50:23
Speaker 2: you never know it, to which I said, it wasn't
50:25
Speaker 2: on any of my nuclear sulcussex. You know, how could I.
50:29
Speaker 3: Know these things that weren't on the things that I
50:32
Speaker 3: was listening to. But anyway, at risk of going on
50:36
Speaker 3: too long, guilty pleasures. The first, just to echo what
50:41
Speaker 3: you said, Mason, I don't feel guilty about anything that
50:46
Speaker 3: I genuinely like. At one point, another quick little anecdote,
50:53
Speaker 3: At one point, I didn't hate Weezer like I do now,
50:59
Speaker 3: and I felt guilty about not hating them. But I
51:04
Speaker 3: came around and now I hate them, So it's that
51:06
Speaker 3: that's fine. But the first quote unquote guilty pleasure that
51:12
Speaker 3: I can come up with is Enya. I absolutely, yeah,
51:18
Speaker 3: I absolutely adore Nya.
51:21
Speaker 2: I love Enya.
51:23
Speaker 3: The going back to what we said about being like
51:26
Speaker 3: positive and typically in a good mood. I can only
51:30
Speaker 3: listen to metal when I'm in a good mood or
51:35
Speaker 3: or at least just a fine mood. But you know,
51:39
Speaker 3: some people like to put on metal when they're angry
51:41
Speaker 3: or stressed or something. I can't listen to metal when
51:45
Speaker 3: I'm in that state. So when I'm feeling less than perfect,
51:51
Speaker 3: I usually go to Philip Glass or Enya. So Nya's
51:55
Speaker 3: one another one where.
51:58
Speaker 4: What's that that's a perfect guilty pot.
52:00
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I love Anya.
52:03
Speaker 3: My next one would be so anyone that knows me
52:06
Speaker 3: knows that I love this band, and I've said on
52:09
Speaker 3: many occasions that they're in my top probably two favorite
52:13
Speaker 3: bands of all time, and that's they might be giants
52:19
Speaker 3: certainly a band that the metal community wouldn't, you know,
52:23
Speaker 3: expect a guy who listened to Nuclear Assault and Testament.
52:26
Speaker 1: They're the ones that like have an unbelievable prolific discography,
52:31
Speaker 1: Like they release an album like every other.
52:34
Speaker 3: And they have like they even have like these secret
52:38
Speaker 3: albums that are available only certain places.
52:41
Speaker 2: That I've never heard.
52:42
Speaker 3: I mean, to know their entire catalog would be absolutely impossible. Impossible,
52:48
Speaker 3: But you know, right up there with Metallica would be
52:51
Speaker 3: The Dead Milkmen. Oh shit, that's another one. The Dead
52:55
Speaker 3: Milkman is also one of my favorite bands. But that
52:58
Speaker 3: I'm speaking about they might be giant, they might be giants,
53:02
Speaker 3: is absolutely up there with Metallica. Again, not guilty at all,
53:07
Speaker 3: because I absolutely think they're brilliant. Thirdly, the last one
53:11
Speaker 3: that I can think of is going to be just
53:14
Speaker 3: a genre, and that's musicals.
53:17
Speaker 2: I love Grease.
53:20
Speaker 1: Do you have one in particular that's your favorite?
53:22
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's a Little Shop of Hors is my great act,
53:28
Speaker 3: My absolute favorite musical of all time. The movie is probably,
53:34
Speaker 3: if not my absolute favorite, one of my all time
53:37
Speaker 3: favorite movies. So yeah, musicals in general. But you know,
53:42
Speaker 3: Little Shop is at the top of the heap. But
53:44
Speaker 3: there's also The Whiz, there's Grease, there's Phantom of the Opera.
53:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
53:51
Speaker 3: I mean, I used to sound check playing Phantom, and
53:56
Speaker 3: I think in all of my this is when Shaihud
53:59
Speaker 3: first started uh And once in the early years, after
54:03
Speaker 3: so many times playing Phantom, only one time someone came
54:07
Speaker 3: up to me after the show and said, I like
54:09
Speaker 3: your saying your Phantom soundcheck, which I.
54:13
Speaker 4: Was So what you're what you're trying to say is
54:15
Speaker 4: that you like playing David Gilmore's riff David Gilmore. Yeah,
54:21
Speaker 4: from Pink Floyd So Andrew Lloyd Weber stole the fanom
54:30
Speaker 4: that that whole, like, yeah, stole they stole.
54:34
Speaker 2: It from David Gilmore.
54:35
Speaker 4: Okay, I saw in the song Echoes.
54:37
Speaker 3: I was not aware of that, but the part that
54:42
Speaker 3: I would play was the main theme. Yeah, so those
54:49
Speaker 3: are those are my three y they might be giants
54:53
Speaker 3: And if you want to just single it out Little
54:56
Speaker 3: Shop of Horrors.
54:57
Speaker 2: Absolutely love it.
54:59
Speaker 1: That's a great list.
55:00
Speaker 2: Thanks Matt.
55:01
Speaker 4: Well. When we when we see each other at Furnestfest,
55:04
Speaker 4: we're gonna talk some musicals together.
55:05
Speaker 2: It sounds good.
55:07
Speaker 3: And I don't know enough about musicals, Like there's so
55:10
Speaker 3: many classic ones that people who know I love musicals
55:15
Speaker 3: are saying, how do you not know this one?
55:17
Speaker 2: So you could probably teach me a few things.
55:21
Speaker 1: Well, Like likewise, I'll be honest, I hate musicals just
55:26
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do them. I just I don't
55:29
Speaker 1: like the idea, like even just the ideologically, I don't
55:32
Speaker 1: like the idea of bringing along the plot through music.
55:36
Speaker 1: That just is not something I can enjoy.
55:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, lay Miz kind of gets on my nerves sometimes
55:41
Speaker 4: when when that happens.
55:42
Speaker 1: I just can't do that. Even my as a kid,
55:45
Speaker 1: as a like four year old, my least favorite parts
55:48
Speaker 1: of every Disney movie was when they started to break
55:50
Speaker 1: out into get Through. I'm like, they're I mean, they're catchy. There,
55:56
Speaker 1: I know them all you have known also as a
55:59
Speaker 1: four year old the and I was like, good grief,
56:01
Speaker 1: let's just get through this and figure out what the
56:03
Speaker 1: next part of the plot.
56:04
Speaker 2: I get.
56:05
Speaker 3: I get, I definitely get that. I think that I
56:09
Speaker 3: felt that way for a long time. But I was
56:12
Speaker 3: a theater major back in college, and I think that's,
56:14
Speaker 3: oh that's when I really got turned onto musicals.
56:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they yeah, they kind of go and tandem.
56:20
Speaker 1: If you're gonna be a theater major, you can't help
56:22
Speaker 1: but not enjoy at least a few minutes.
56:24
Speaker 2: True.
56:24
Speaker 4: But all right, what would you guys like to plug
56:26
Speaker 4: obviously furnesce Fest. Is there a potential for any kind
56:31
Speaker 4: of new music or anything of that sort. Well, we're
56:34
Speaker 4: coming up on a decade.
56:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a long time. I have a ton of
56:42
Speaker 2: riffs and ideas.
56:45
Speaker 3: Dellan has even contributed some fantastic musical ideas. It's just
56:52
Speaker 3: a matter we need to get through Furnace Fest and
56:56
Speaker 3: finish practicing the songs and making sure we're ready to
56:59
Speaker 3: go for that. But once that's done, we'll start piecing
57:05
Speaker 3: together some newer material that I mean, Geared has expressed interest.
57:15
Speaker 3: So yeah, most likely will do something. What it will be,
57:21
Speaker 3: I can't say for sure, but it will be with
57:25
Speaker 3: geared On. If we do anything, it'll be with geared
57:29
Speaker 3: On vocals.
57:30
Speaker 2: So no tentative date, no nothing. At the moment, it's
57:36
Speaker 2: all just.
57:37
Speaker 3: A collection of riffs, but very very slowly at a
57:41
Speaker 3: snail's pace. Things are being worked on Killer Killer and
57:47
Speaker 3: Zombie Apocalypse.
57:48
Speaker 4: We got that going on and something like that.
57:50
Speaker 2: It's great stuff. So anything else you guys would like to.
57:54
Speaker 3: Put, oh no, just Zombie Apocalypse. The new record is
58:01
Speaker 3: pretty awesome. I listened to it a lot. I really
58:05
Speaker 3: really enjoy it. It's easy for me to listen to
58:09
Speaker 3: Zombie Apocalypse because it's not just my ideas, Like I
58:14
Speaker 3: don't listen to Shi Hallud because so much of it
58:18
Speaker 3: is me.
58:18
Speaker 2: It's like looking in a mirror and I don't want
58:21
Speaker 2: to do that. So with Zombie Apocalypse.
58:26
Speaker 3: There's so many other people's contributions that it's easy for
58:32
Speaker 3: me to listen to. There's a lot to enjoy, So yeah,
58:35
Speaker 3: without taking up too much more time, a new Zombie
58:39
Speaker 3: Apocalypse record is on the way, hopefully next year, so
58:45
Speaker 3: hell yeah, I'm looking forward to it for sure.
58:49
Speaker 4: What an exciting time in y'all's lives.
58:53
Speaker 1: We're looking forward to it too, and yeah, it should
58:56
Speaker 1: be a hell of a time both obviously for Shia
58:59
Speaker 1: Halud and Apocalypse. Love it sweet. Well, thank you so
59:04
Speaker 1: much for chatting more about Shahlud. Obviously, again, we're really
59:07
Speaker 1: excited for whatever could potentially happen with you all in Chihlud,
59:11
Speaker 1: you know over the next maybe year or two, with
59:14
Speaker 1: you know, writing and you know, hopefully maybe recording at
59:16
Speaker 1: some point. Obviously, we're really looking forward to the Zombie
59:20
Speaker 1: Apocalypse album coming out soon, and more than anything, we're
59:24
Speaker 1: gonna see you in a couple of months and basically,
59:26
Speaker 1: what is it, probably almost like six weeks from now,
59:28
Speaker 1: seven weeks from now, so we'll see you and we're
59:31
Speaker 1: super excited to see Shaihlud play at firs FST. So
59:35
Speaker 1: thank you again for chatting a little bit more about Shiahlud,