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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debates.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Caroline Marcus,
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Speaker 2: joined tonight by Sky News contributors Kel.
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Speaker 3: Richards and James Boltz.
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Speaker 2: Let's start now tonight with yet another shocking attack on
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Speaker 2: Sydney's Jewish community. After a car in Queen's Park in
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Speaker 2: the city's east was found spray painted this morning with
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Speaker 2: the words f the Jews, residents and the heavily Jewish
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Speaker 2: suburb were left shaken.
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Speaker 1: Do you mind if I ask you why you were
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Speaker 1: so upset about it?
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Speaker 4: Because my father was killed in the holocause.
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Speaker 5: This is how it's still.
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Speaker 1: I heard it was racial slurst, but I didn't. I
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Speaker 1: thought it would be anti Israel.
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Speaker 6: Didn't think it to be anticipate.
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the whole point, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: With each one of these attacks, acts on cars, on buildings,
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Speaker 2: on a firebombed synagogue, the mask about these protests being
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Speaker 2: motivated by anger at Israel's slips even further revealing this
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Speaker 2: simmering due hatred underneath. The Executive Council of Australian Jury
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Speaker 2: co CEO Alex Ripchen tweeted, no one just vandalizes a
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Speaker 2: car with a racist slogan. It is the product of
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Speaker 2: endless incitement, demonization, and a belief that such attitudes are
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Speaker 2: freely permitted, even celebrated. He's certainly not the only Jewish
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Speaker 2: community leader to make that point, certainly not the only
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Speaker 2: person on Star newsed to make that point. The government
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Speaker 2: has a lot to answer for, doesn't it, In how
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Speaker 2: it's emboldened these activists.
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Speaker 1: They haven't acted quickly.
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Speaker 7: Well, I haven't acted very much at all, but fourteen
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Speaker 7: months ago when this began on the ninth of October
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty three. Getting on for fifteen months ago. They
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Speaker 7: could have acted then and done something. Janet Alberton had
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Speaker 7: a brilliant article in The Stradian over the holiday break
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Speaker 7: in which he said the way to act would have
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Speaker 7: been to change the incitement of violence laws.
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Speaker 1: Slightly, not a great deal.
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Speaker 7: There's a funny defense in the incitement for a to
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Speaker 7: violence laws. There's one in which genuine belief is a defense.
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Speaker 7: He said, that's silly. Knocked that out and specify anti semitism.
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Speaker 7: That's if you look at that expression on the side
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Speaker 7: of the car, it is an incitement to violence. It said,
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Speaker 7: be nasty to these people. So legally he could Albanezy
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Speaker 7: as our Prime minister, could have called the parliament back
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Speaker 7: by the tenth of October. He could have put up
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Speaker 7: changes along these lines. He could have condemned in the
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Speaker 7: parliament anti Semitism in general. Had people say to me, oh,
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Speaker 7: you know, it's the most ancient hatred of all and
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Speaker 7: it is as if that justifies our government today not
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Speaker 7: doing anything. They can do something. Australia used not to
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Speaker 7: be like this, so we don't need to be like this.
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Speaker 7: We're a tolerant, easy going society. This has been imported.
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Speaker 7: We have to say to the people who brought it here.
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Speaker 7: This is not Australia. This is not how we live,
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Speaker 7: This is not how we treat each other.
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Speaker 2: James couldn't agree more with Kel and I've heard the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister himself make that point too. You know that
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Speaker 2: this is an ancient hatred, as if that somehow justifies
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Speaker 2: it or puts it in any kind of context. But
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Speaker 2: this really reveals that these sorts of actions, they're not
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Speaker 2: about legitimate.
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Speaker 3: Criticized criticism of Israel. It's anti Semitism. It's Jew hatred,
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Speaker 3: pure and simple.
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Speaker 8: Well, yes, I mean that is not saying Israel or
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Speaker 8: Benjamin Nanya who had said Jews. But I do have
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Speaker 8: to say this is an ancient hatred and in no
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Speaker 8: way does that give any context or leeway to the
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Speaker 8: people that are committing these crimes. But I think it's
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Speaker 8: true to both say the labor has been absolutely terrible
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Speaker 8: in handling the anti Semitism issue over the last year
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Speaker 8: and a half and also that there's very little they
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Speaker 8: can do. I mean, I remember the will Hire incident.
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Speaker 8: Descend to the last year where someone spray painted kill
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Speaker 8: Israel on the wall. They misspell at Israel. This is
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Speaker 8: not like a very intellectual or thoughtful kind of people
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Speaker 8: that are doing There's not people that are up to
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Speaker 8: date with Penny Wong statements.
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Speaker 9: To the UN.
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Speaker 8: So I just think like, yes, labors should be cracking down,
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Speaker 8: they should be looking at the laws that are people
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Speaker 8: are taking advantage of to do these crimes. But at
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Speaker 8: the same time, this is an ancient hatred and we
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Speaker 8: do need to really think about what is Australia doing
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Speaker 8: to these people from communities that come to Australia. What
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Speaker 8: are we teaching about the Australian dream that makes them
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Speaker 8: think that the pool of the old country is stronger
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Speaker 8: than the pool of the new country. I mean, this
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Speaker 8: is a country that values peace, values MAJA, but has
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Speaker 8: done for our years now. For some people that are
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Speaker 8: coming here, they don't see that. They don't feel the
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Speaker 8: same pride in Australia that you and I do, and
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Speaker 8: so they go back to the hatreds of the old
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Speaker 8: world and they bring that here. So what can we
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Speaker 8: do about Australia. What can we sell about the Western
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Speaker 8: dream that is going to start winning hearts and minds.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's often second and third generation, it's not always
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Speaker 2: the first generation people who've come here that commit these
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Speaker 2: sorts of crimes. We don't know in this case who
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Speaker 2: sprayed this anti Semitic slogan on the car yet kel.
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Speaker 2: But I have to disagree with James because I think
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Speaker 2: there is so much more the government could do. For one,
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Speaker 2: take action against the people who commit the crimes, who
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Speaker 2: commit incitement to violence.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the hate preachers. I'm talking about the.
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Speaker 2: People who preached that kind of hate on the steps
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Speaker 2: of the Opera House on October nine, and we were quibbling,
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Speaker 2: the police were quibbling about exactly what was being said.
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Speaker 7: But how many people have been arrested. None, not one
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Speaker 7: that was horrific, that was hateful. And remember the Imam
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Speaker 7: who was out in the street saying, it's a day
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Speaker 7: of pride, it's a day.
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Speaker 1: Of joy that we know who he is.
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Speaker 7: So he's not a faithless person, he's not an unknown person.
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Speaker 7: There's no reason why he cannot be arrested. We don't
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Speaker 7: need to change a lot of laws. We need to
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Speaker 7: start using the laws we've got. We need to sharpen
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Speaker 7: the laws we've got, and we need to start making
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Speaker 7: arrest The idea that this goes on and on and
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Speaker 7: we can't find anyone and we can't arrist anyone, so
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Speaker 7: it just has to happen. The people who this is.
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Speaker 1: Not Australia, this is foreign.
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Speaker 7: This is people who've come from elsewhere, as James said,
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Speaker 7: and they've imported their hatreds with them. They need to
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Speaker 7: be told you import your hatreds, you get locked up.
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Speaker 2: Well, there are some people on the far life two
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Speaker 2: are Australian who also hate the West and they hate Israel,
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Speaker 2: and they put the two, they lump the two together
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Speaker 2: because it's Western freedoms, it's colonization and the rest of
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Speaker 2: the rubbish and they hate, they hate Israel too, and
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Speaker 2: they sometimes verge, well, they often verge on the border
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Speaker 2: of jew hatred too. I've seen it from progressive university
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Speaker 2: academics online who've made horrific.
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Speaker 3: Threats against the Jewish community as well.
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Speaker 2: So it's not always coming from other cultures.
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Speaker 8: And what I would say is not that we should
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Speaker 8: just go, oh well, throw our hands up, like we
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Speaker 8: can't do anything to stop this.
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Speaker 9: Obviously there are hate breaches out there.
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Speaker 8: Obviously they are stepping over the line of what is
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Speaker 8: acceptable speech. But I just wonder if you do arrest them,
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Speaker 8: the followers of these hate preachers going to go, oh, well,
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Speaker 8: he must have been wrong. Or are they going to go,
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Speaker 8: that's that global Jewish conspiracy coming again to take my preacher.
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Speaker 2: But they're going to blame the global Jewish conspiracy either way.
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Speaker 8: So I think this is a multi generational thing of
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Speaker 8: reclaiming hearts and minds and going Okay, there is something
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Speaker 8: about the West that does make it different. There is
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Speaker 8: something about individual freedom, religious tolerance and peace among people
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Speaker 8: that we can sell to people, and I think that
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Speaker 8: is I mean, eventually the complete rise of anti Semitism
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Speaker 8: will start to go down to what is unfortunately usual levels.
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Speaker 8: But the idea has to still be that we need
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Speaker 8: to keep preaching that same tolerance, We need to keep
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Speaker 8: preaching that same hope for peace for future generations.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. The history has shown that if it
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Speaker 2: isn't curved, if it isn't stopped, then kell it does
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Speaker 2: lead to horrific things like the Holocaust. We know that
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Speaker 2: it only happened a few.
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Speaker 7: Generations, and we saw the biggest number of Jews since
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Speaker 7: the Holocaust killed on the seventh of October two hundred people,
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Speaker 7: two hundred and fifty captured babies, butchered. We know how
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Speaker 7: horrible it is, so we know what comes if you
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Speaker 7: don't stop it. And James is perfectly right. We do
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Speaker 7: need to work at the causes, and we do need
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Speaker 7: to do as much prevention as we can, but you
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Speaker 7: don't hold back from arresting people and charging people and
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Speaker 7: jailing people for vile things. I mean, on a talkback
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Speaker 7: program once on radio, a chap who'd lived in Germany said,
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Speaker 7: he said, in Germany, calder I don't use the word
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Speaker 7: aud his epotism. They use the German expression for due hatred,
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Speaker 7: because you've got to be honest about it. You've got
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Speaker 7: to be honest and say this is racial and religious
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Speaker 7: hatred combined and it kills people. It is that dangerous.
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Speaker 7: So you don't just stand there and say, well, we'll
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Speaker 7: fix the next generation. You've got to say we're going
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Speaker 7: to lock up the people who will incite to violence.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, at least there was some honesty
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Speaker 2: about the f the Jews graffiti today because they didn't
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Speaker 2: hide behind code words Zionist and Zionism.
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Speaker 3: At least they were honest about their do hate to it.
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Speaker 3: That's all I can say about that. Look, it all.
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Speaker 2: Comes as the Ice Hockey World Championships were canned in
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Speaker 2: Victoria over fears that Israel's presence there would make the
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Speaker 2: event too dangerous for players and fans. That Victoria Police
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Speaker 2: have confirmed that they provided feedback to organizers about the
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Speaker 2: risk of a security incident at the event, but they
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Speaker 2: say it was up to Ice Hockey Australia whether to cancel.
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Speaker 3: James.
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Speaker 2: Here we go again pandering to this extremist element in society,
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Speaker 2: which if there's even a threat hanging over a sporting event,
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Speaker 2: we can't possibly let it continue and put more security on.
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Speaker 2: We just need to get rid of the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Maya Christmas windows. As soon
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Speaker 2: as there was a threat from activists that they were
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Speaker 2: going to target it.
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Speaker 3: It's off.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: I noticed the Ice Hockey Australia president, in comments to
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Speaker 8: The Australia Today said that the decision was not politically motivated,
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Speaker 8: but it was because of safety.
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Speaker 9: And security of participants can't be assured.
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Speaker 3: So they always say that.
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Speaker 8: I know, but unfortunately you're going to have to stop
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Speaker 8: believing in political issues because you're in one.
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Speaker 9: But the other angle there.
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Speaker 8: I mean, obviously there's the anti semitisis an angle, and
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Speaker 8: obviously it's the fact that Israel's participating which is causing this.
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Speaker 8: But the other angle as well, which makes it interesting
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Speaker 8: for Victoria is that this is not a state that
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Speaker 8: really cracks down on intimidating protests.
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Speaker 9: We saw the weapons Expo.
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Speaker 8: So both if Victoria has an anti Semitism problem they
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Speaker 8: need to address and also a failure to correctly police
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Speaker 8: intimidating protests.
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Speaker 2: Jane Kel I think the more you capitulate to these people,
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Speaker 2: the people who threaten these events, the protesters, the more
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Speaker 2: they're going to make those threats because it's like trying
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Speaker 2: to negotiate with a terrorist.
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Speaker 7: Well, what's happened in this case is terror has won.
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Speaker 7: We've got to recognize this is a win for terrorism.
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Speaker 7: The terrorisms are the champions. We are now the dummies.
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Speaker 1: Let me give you.
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Speaker 7: A parallel, which is a bit strange, I accept, But
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Speaker 7: in New Orleans we had a terrorist inspired by Islamic
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Speaker 7: State who killed fourteen people. Now that was a fairly
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Speaker 7: big deal for the Americans. Coming up is Trump's inauguration.
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Speaker 7: Now you would think, big public event. This has got
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Speaker 7: to be perfect for someone who believes that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 7: Let's cancel the inauguration. Let's move it indoors to somewhere
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Speaker 7: that can be protected by the National Guard. They're not
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Speaker 7: doing that. They're not going to do that. You don't
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Speaker 7: give in to terror, you don't let the terrorists win.
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Speaker 2: And that's so true about Trump because after that first
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Speaker 2: assassination attempt on him at the rally, he refused. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I think he did one indoor event after that where
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Speaker 2: he was sort of hidden away, But after that he
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Speaker 2: refused to give in, and he continued to do his
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Speaker 2: outdoor events because he didn't want these people to win.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's how we enter approach it. Look
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Speaker 2: mentioning that horrific attack in the Uskel, a Muslim leader
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Speaker 2: here in Australia has warned that it takes just one
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Speaker 2: low wolf who's radicalized online to commit that kind of
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Speaker 2: deadly attack that we saw in New Orleans on Newsday,
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Speaker 2: an attack that killed fourteen people. Now this leader is
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Speaker 2: Jamal Riffi. He's been a long time moderate Muslim voice
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Speaker 2: in the community talking about radicalization. A very welcome moderate voice,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, a fairly uncommon one.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: He says Muslim Australians are increasingly on highlight for similar
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Speaker 2: ISIS style attacks here, and the fear is that the
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Speaker 2: terror group Islamic State is on the brink of unleashing
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Speaker 2: a second wave of global carnage. But doctor Riffi also
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Speaker 2: said James that their influence has very much waned. But
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if they find the position that
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Speaker 2: the West has taken to what Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya,
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Speaker 2: who is doing in Gaza to actually affect some people.
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Speaker 3: To do the wrong things. Now, I think it's.
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Speaker 2: Great he's speaking up for this, but I still see
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Speaker 2: this element of victim blaming coming even from moderate voices.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it hrks back to what I said in
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Speaker 8: the first topic. You can say that the West needs
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Speaker 8: to do X and why about Israel, and it's the
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Speaker 8: actions of the West that are fueling this. But we
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Speaker 8: have to remember that these kids that are getting radicalized
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Speaker 8: don't feel themselves to be members of the West. What
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Speaker 8: do they care what the West is responding to Israel.
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Speaker 8: They feel themselves to be of the East. So what
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Speaker 8: we and I'm repeating myself here, but what we have
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Speaker 8: to do is think about how why are these extremist
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Speaker 8: ideologies so enticing for young minds? What is it about
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Speaker 8: the kids and what is it about the ideology themselves
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Speaker 8: that is attracting people. I mean, we've all been exposed
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Speaker 8: to extremist ideologies. It didn't take for us because we're happy, healthy,
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Speaker 8: normal adults. But what's happening to these kids? Why are
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Speaker 8: they getting sucked in? And how can we reclaim them
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Speaker 8: back to normal society?
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Speaker 2: Kel I mean, terrorism is not a new thing. Radicalization
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Speaker 2: is not a new thing, certainly, but there is an
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Speaker 2: issue with what's happening.
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Speaker 3: Online and how easy it is.
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Speaker 2: I guess to influence these young minds and these people
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Speaker 2: I guess who, perhaps young people who confused, who haven't.
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Speaker 3: Found how they belong. But what is the answer here
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Speaker 3: when any one person can be affected?
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Speaker 7: Oh look, if I had the answer, I would tell you.
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Speaker 7: The answer is obviously not easy. Two quick points. The
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Speaker 7: first is doctor Rufe's correct. The lone wolf attacks are
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Speaker 7: the ones they can't find. When there's a cell this communication,
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Speaker 7: there are texts, even coded texts, and we've got intelligence
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Speaker 7: services that can pick those up. But when it's someone
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Speaker 7: like the American acting alone, it's really hard to detect
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Speaker 7: them ahead of time. And James is right, why does
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Speaker 7: it happen. It happens because they lose the balance of
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Speaker 7: their mind. They're not entirely sensible, they're not entirely sane.
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Speaker 7: And if you've got someone who's got that kind of problem,
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Speaker 7: they are the ones who will listen to this kind
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Speaker 7: of prompting from Islamic State or from al Qaeda, or
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Speaker 7: from somewhere else, and they may well act. The second
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Speaker 7: point I need to make is we have to be
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Speaker 7: careful about Islam. A friend of mine who's an ex
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Speaker 7: spurret on Islam, said, don't make assumptions about Muslims, just
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Speaker 7: because doctor Reef is a really good example of the
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Speaker 7: fact that you don't make sweeping assumptions about Muslims. You're
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Speaker 7: going to meet Muslims, shop, believe one thing or another thing,
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Speaker 7: talk to someone, get to know them, make friends with them.
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Speaker 7: Don't just make assumptions ahead of time and build the
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Speaker 7: wall because of a handful of really horrible, screaming pro
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Speaker 7: Palestinians in the street. They are not the Muslim community
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Speaker 7: doctor Reefy represents. I think, I think quite a big
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Speaker 7: slice of the Muslim community, and we have to be
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Speaker 7: we have to be careful about making assumptions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we absolute shudn't make sweeping generalizations, but I think
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Speaker 2: there are far too many radical members of the community
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Speaker 2: as well. That seems to be the problem. Clearly, if
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Speaker 2: these Islamic hate preachers like the one you mentioned, cal
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Speaker 2: can go on the streets and talk about a day
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Speaker 2: of pride, a day of victory.
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Speaker 1: And have a chance cheered by them, Yes.
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Speaker 3: That's too many.
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Speaker 2: Look, let's move on and go to the UK now
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Speaker 2: where there is trouble in Paradise. Just as the right
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Speaker 2: wing Reform UK was celebrating a huge membership surge and
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Speaker 2: the support of billionaire and Donald Trump right hand man
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk.
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Speaker 3: Musk has used his own.
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Speaker 2: Platform X to announce he's withdrawing his support for the
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Speaker 2: party's leader, Nigel Farage. He said the Reform Party needs
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Speaker 2: a new leader. Farrage doesn't have what it takes out
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Speaker 2: and they seem so close in this happy snap from
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Speaker 2: Trump's Mari Lago resort alongside Reform treasurer British billionaire Nick Candy.
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Speaker 3: A few weeks ago now James.
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Speaker 2: The cracks started to form after Musk launched a series
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Speaker 2: of social media attacks on British PM Secure Starmer, accusing
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Speaker 2: him of failing to bring these grooming gangs under control
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Speaker 2: and to prosecute them while he was the Director of
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Speaker 2: Public Prosecutions.
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Speaker 3: This has been a huge story again in the UK.
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Speaker 2: I know that the show covered it quite a bit
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Speaker 2: last week while kel was hosting, but.
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Speaker 3: This fallout has really been about.
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Speaker 2: This central figure, Tommy Robinson, and a difference of opinion
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Speaker 2: I guess between Elon Musk, who wants to see Tommy
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Speaker 2: embraced by the Reform UK Party and Nigro Feraj, who
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Speaker 2: doesn't want a bar of him.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd say it's interesting that Elon Misk is both
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Speaker 8: completely transparent and also it's quite hard to figure out
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Speaker 8: what he actually wants. So I think when he tweets
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Speaker 8: out that we need Tommy Robson as a head of
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Speaker 8: Reform UK, I think he's doing it for three possible reasons.
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Speaker 8: And it's all got the backdrop for me of the
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Speaker 8: fact that Elon Musk is mulling up a donation of
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Speaker 8: nearly one hundred million dollars the rumored to be one
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Speaker 8: hundred million US dollars to the Reform UK party. So
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Speaker 8: why would he want to change your leadership either One,
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Speaker 8: he genuinely wants Tommy Robinson.
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Speaker 9: In charge too. He says it's leverage over policies.
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Speaker 8: Okay, I'll back down on Tommy Robinson, but I want
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Speaker 8: you guys to start focusing on X, Y and Z
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Speaker 8: or no money.
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Speaker 9: Or three.
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Speaker 8: He would feel that Nigel Faraj and Reform are acting
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Speaker 8: like the check's already cleared and he wants to put
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Speaker 8: them back in their box.
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Speaker 9: But here's what I would say to me on Maskin.
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Speaker 8: Who knows if he's ever going to watch this, But
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Speaker 8: here's what I'd say to you, which is what do
18:09
Speaker 8: you actually want out of this? Because if you want
18:12
Speaker 8: a new political party to be in charge of the country,
18:15
Speaker 8: don't deal it with Tommy Robinson. Keep Nigel faraj So
18:18
Speaker 8: the political poll of polls currently has Labour at twenty
18:20
Speaker 8: seven percent, the Conservative Party of twenty five percent, Nigel
18:23
Speaker 8: Farraj's Reform Party at twenty two percent. So Faraje could
18:27
Speaker 8: very realistically be the next opposition leader of the UK.
18:30
Speaker 8: He's even got an outside chance of being Prime minister.
18:32
Speaker 8: So to replace him, Tommy Robinson is throwing over a
18:36
Speaker 8: successful candidate, So someone who let's go through the wrap
18:39
Speaker 8: scene and if you don't know who Tommy Robinson is,
18:41
Speaker 8: I really I'm so envious of you.
18:43
Speaker 9: But I now have to break the illusion. So this
18:46
Speaker 9: is a guy.
18:47
Speaker 8: He's currently in jail for contemptive court right, and people
18:51
Speaker 8: can go, oh, you know, they always take the ones
18:53
Speaker 8: who speak up.
18:54
Speaker 9: They're always trying to find he's also in his past.
18:57
Speaker 8: Two thousand and five, he spent twelve months for bodily
18:59
Speaker 8: harm after a violent assault of an off duty police officer.
19:03
Speaker 9: Twenty thirteen, ten months for trying.
19:05
Speaker 8: To get into the US using someone else's passport in
19:07
Speaker 8: twenty fourteen eighteen months for mortgage.
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Speaker 3: For this guy is a loser, he's im bored, and
19:12
Speaker 3: he's violent.
19:14
Speaker 9: And he's certainly not the artwer in.
19:16
Speaker 2: This case, Kel he didn't. Just to clear it up,
19:18
Speaker 2: the grooming Gambs were in case anyone has doesn't know
19:22
Speaker 2: the story, were and Ah these gangs of mainly Pakistani
19:27
Speaker 2: dissent adult men who prayed on working class, poor white girls.
19:33
Speaker 2: And they were girls, they were children in the UK
19:36
Speaker 2: in poor suburbs, and the authorities largely turned a blind
19:40
Speaker 2: eye because of racial politics and it didn't suit their agenda.
19:44
Speaker 2: They didn't want to cause social discord and unrest. They
19:48
Speaker 2: turned a blind eye and these gangs were allowed to
19:50
Speaker 2: continue to operate. Now, Tommy Robinson isn't in jail over
19:53
Speaker 2: what he said about that. Currently, he's in jail over contempt,
19:56
Speaker 2: as James pointed out, on a different issue.
19:59
Speaker 3: Because.
20:01
Speaker 2: It's complicated. But there was a Theorian refugee he spread.
20:06
Speaker 7: It's a long, complicated story. Tommy Robinson is basically a
20:09
Speaker 7: fairly ugly person. He started out as a young right
20:12
Speaker 7: wing thug and now has got a long rap sheet.
20:15
Speaker 7: Because so he's not the answer. But can I just say,
20:19
Speaker 7: look Elon. I know you're watching because you never missed
20:22
Speaker 7: an episode and you are the richest man in the world,
20:25
Speaker 7: because you're one of the cleverest people in the world. Mate,
20:28
Speaker 7: you got this wrong. You are absolutely wrong. Nigel Farage
20:32
Speaker 7: is brilliant. I've been in the auditorium man, I've heard
20:35
Speaker 7: him speak. Is one of the world's great communicators. This
20:38
Speaker 7: is the man who got up Brexit and got Brexit
20:41
Speaker 7: through in Britain when all of the polls and all
20:44
Speaker 7: of the commentators said it couldn't be done. He is
20:46
Speaker 7: an achiever. So Elon, I don't know what's going on.
20:49
Speaker 7: I think James may have tweaked to the fact that
20:52
Speaker 7: there are a whole lot of scenes playing out here.
20:55
Speaker 7: But just drop this. This is really silly. We need
20:58
Speaker 7: Nigel Farage. We need a communicator as effective as witty,
21:03
Speaker 7: as powerful as sharp, isn't it Nigel Farage.
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Speaker 1: He's the man. He's going to get us there. Elon,
21:09
Speaker 1: get on board.
21:11
Speaker 2: Well, look, I hope Elon is watching and listening to
21:13
Speaker 2: some common sense. I don't know if he wants Tommy
21:15
Speaker 2: Robinson to lead the party, but he certainly said free
21:18
Speaker 2: him from jail. And if he's there, on quite serious
21:21
Speaker 2: offenses then perhaps jealous where he needs to be right now, look,
21:25
Speaker 2: let's move on to other issues at the moment, and
21:28
Speaker 2: back to Australia, where Anthony Albinizi has fired the starting
21:32
Speaker 2: gun on his ground campaign ahead of the election whenever
21:36
Speaker 2: that's going to be its due in May. He is
21:39
Speaker 2: due to spend the week in regional Queensland and Western Australia,
21:43
Speaker 2: where he will tell voters that Peter Dutton's nuclear policy
21:48
Speaker 2: will put up electricity prices kel Now, while Labor is
21:52
Speaker 2: unlikely to win Capricornia or a seat on the Sunshine Coast,
21:56
Speaker 2: a visit to these regions would give Albo the chance
22:00
Speaker 2: to warn residents against the two nuclear sites that the
22:03
Speaker 2: coalition has proposed in central Queensland. Cal How do you
22:08
Speaker 2: think that this ground campaign is going to go over him?
22:12
Speaker 7: Well, he doesn't have a message. He can't sell his accomplishments.
22:16
Speaker 7: He can't sell his achievements. This is a government that
22:19
Speaker 7: spent its way into high inflation. This is a government
22:22
Speaker 7: in which we had twelve increases in RBO rates, in
22:26
Speaker 7: home loan rates for in a row, right, and they're
22:29
Speaker 7: not likely to come down anytime soon. There's a very
22:31
Speaker 7: good chance there will be no drop in interest rates
22:33
Speaker 7: until twenty twenty six. He put up as his big
22:37
Speaker 7: bold policy, his signature policy, the Voice, and he was
22:41
Speaker 7: absolutely humbled by what happened with that, absolutely put to
22:45
Speaker 7: shame because it just didn't work at all. He doesn't
22:48
Speaker 7: have a track record, he's got nothing to sell. Hence
22:50
Speaker 7: he has decided Caroline that his only message is look
22:54
Speaker 7: at Peter Dutton and be afraid, be very afraid. He's
22:57
Speaker 7: sort of recycling the slogan from the old movie Poltergosh,
23:01
Speaker 7: be very afraid. Well, if that's all you've got, you
23:04
Speaker 7: haven't got a message. I think this is a man
23:07
Speaker 7: who looks and sounds unhappy and uncomfortable because he's desperate
23:11
Speaker 7: and he's on the way out.
23:12
Speaker 2: Well, all the poles certainly do show that James that
23:15
Speaker 2: hit that message of just don't vote for that guy
23:19
Speaker 2: over there.
23:19
Speaker 3: Being Peter Dunton. Haven't been working in his favor.
23:22
Speaker 9: No, they haven't.
23:23
Speaker 8: And you'd think he after three years in power, you'd
23:25
Speaker 8: be able to do something a bit better than that.
23:27
Speaker 8: But first off, I think we should at least spend
23:30
Speaker 8: some time praising the fact that a labor leader has
23:32
Speaker 8: cared about a regional road. It's been a long time
23:34
Speaker 8: since the last time that happened, so I think you
23:36
Speaker 8: should deserve some curdise for that. But to Keil's point
23:39
Speaker 8: about how angry and frustrated he looks, I thought today's
23:43
Speaker 8: press conference was really relevatory on that. I mean, today's
23:46
Speaker 8: the first day back. Could work for a lot of people,
23:48
Speaker 8: including alban Easy. He's been off there for a couple
23:51
Speaker 8: of days, and you'd think, like a lot of people,
23:53
Speaker 8: you know, they wake up first day back at work.
23:55
Speaker 9: I'm feeling better about the new year. I'm happier.
23:57
Speaker 8: I can't wait to see my colleagues have a look
23:59
Speaker 8: at how Alberi spent his press conference. And I've only
24:02
Speaker 8: got like a little piece here.
24:03
Speaker 9: It was so through all the journalists questions, I really
24:06
Speaker 9: felt this vibe. But this is where I got worse.
24:09
Speaker 10: That's not our slogan, good try.
24:12
Speaker 8: Is there a one word slogan, one sentence slogan we're using.
24:17
Speaker 10: We've done this with backdrops, We've done this with media releases.
24:23
Speaker 10: I did this today again. It is building Australia's future.
24:26
Speaker 10: I'm not sure which LMP member has sent you that
24:30
Speaker 10: question to ask but they should pay attention and you
24:34
Speaker 10: should be cautious about just reading out things that are
24:37
Speaker 10: sent from the LMP.
24:39
Speaker 8: It's just so angry and frustrated, and I just go,
24:44
Speaker 8: I'm a big body language guy. You can tell who's
24:46
Speaker 8: in charge, and you could tell who's leading in a
24:47
Speaker 8: poll through how their body language is. And that's not
24:50
Speaker 8: a guy who's going this election year. It's going to
24:52
Speaker 8: be a piece of cake and someone who's gone, you know,
24:55
Speaker 8: coupled up the voice before. Now, I really reckon if
24:58
Speaker 8: I went out out of our Benezi after the voice
25:00
Speaker 8: went down. I have not seen him that happy. I've
25:02
Speaker 8: not seen him relaxed. I've not seen him selling a
25:04
Speaker 8: positive vision. I think he's genuinely just feeling like he's
25:08
Speaker 8: just walking through caramel every day, just slowly, slowly getting forward,
25:12
Speaker 8: and he's.
25:12
Speaker 9: Just over it.
25:13
Speaker 2: He really shows when he's under pressure, doesn't he. I've
25:16
Speaker 2: noticed this about him in press conferences quite often, Kell
25:19
Speaker 2: and he'll start to attack the messenger. He'll start not
25:22
Speaker 2: the journalists should be without criticism above criticism, but he
25:26
Speaker 2: does this quite often. He'll throw it back in them
25:29
Speaker 2: and accuse them of taking questions from the opposition.
25:32
Speaker 3: Like the guy.
25:33
Speaker 2: The poor guy couldn't have come up with that question
25:35
Speaker 2: on his own about how what vantage is he trying.
25:38
Speaker 7: To send yes, yes, which LNP member told you to
25:41
Speaker 7: ask that question. So he is not a good campaigner.
25:44
Speaker 7: I don't think he was a good campaigner last time.
25:48
Speaker 7: He hasn't come to terms with the fact that he
25:50
Speaker 7: didn't win that election. Scott Morrison lost it. And I
25:54
Speaker 7: mean there's an old saying in politics it's not oppositions
25:57
Speaker 7: that win elections, it's governments that lose them.
25:59
Speaker 1: That's what happened last year time.
26:00
Speaker 7: So if he had a high view of his ability
26:03
Speaker 7: to communicate, his ability to sell a policy, his ability
26:06
Speaker 7: to campaign, he's mistaken. He actually said fairly recently said
26:12
Speaker 7: I've been underestimated all my political life.
26:14
Speaker 1: No, actually, elbow, we got it fairly right. And you're
26:17
Speaker 1: not as good as you think you are.
26:19
Speaker 9: I'd say overestimated, yes, exactly.
26:21
Speaker 2: And if anyone's going to come back feeling refreshed, it
26:23
Speaker 2: should be now over Christmas and New Year's and he's
26:26
Speaker 2: had a break and yet he's this testing on the
26:29
Speaker 2: first day back.
26:29
Speaker 8: Yeah, five months and sell an election campaign. You'd think, Okay,
26:32
Speaker 8: I met my peak energy right now, I can't be
26:34
Speaker 8: I'm raring to go.
26:35
Speaker 9: I can't wait. Kel. You said that opposition St.
26:39
Speaker 8: Louis elections, governments, sorry, opposition some when elections comes. I've
26:42
Speaker 8: always thought that you can basically pull bring down every
26:46
Speaker 8: election to who would voters rather have a beerwith. I
26:48
Speaker 8: think that US UK Australia is always that question to me.
26:52
Speaker 8: And when Peter Dunton became opposition leader, I thought, it's
26:56
Speaker 8: just the Australian public is never going to warm to
26:58
Speaker 8: this guy as much as they do alb and Easy.
27:00
Speaker 9: Now I genuinely think that you did. UN's gone in charge.
27:02
Speaker 8: I think he's still got to trouble with female voters,
27:05
Speaker 8: but I think he's definitely in front.
27:07
Speaker 9: On that one. Yeah.
27:08
Speaker 2: I think he's become a lot more likable and an electable.
27:13
Speaker 9: Has become less likable.
27:14
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the polls are reflecting that look. Speaking of
27:18
Speaker 2: the upcoming election, the Energy Minister Chris Bowen has made
27:21
Speaker 2: an interesting decision ahead of it.
27:23
Speaker 3: He has quit X and he's more.
27:26
Speaker 2: Than one hundred and forty thousand followers saying it's no
27:29
Speaker 2: longer the place for respectful conversation. Instead, he's moved over
27:34
Speaker 2: to another social media platform.
27:36
Speaker 3: Blue Sky, described.
27:38
Speaker 2: As an echo chamber for left wing politics, because I
27:41
Speaker 2: guess that's how the government thinks they're going to win
27:44
Speaker 2: votes now by preaching to the converted. Tell me kel
27:48
Speaker 2: Bowen is winging here about respectful conversation. He's taken a
27:53
Speaker 2: number of cheap shots about the opposition's energy plan. He's
27:58
Speaker 2: called it on x rubbish an absolute mess.
28:01
Speaker 3: That's respectful conversation.
28:03
Speaker 2: And also wasn't it Victorian Labor, his own party that
28:08
Speaker 2: posted their shots of Peter Dutton and his wife say
28:13
Speaker 2: having a crack involving his wife saying he is not
28:16
Speaker 2: a monster.
28:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got nothing he can boast about in this area.
28:20
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
28:21
Speaker 7: And if you think about every time energy comes up
28:25
Speaker 7: in the Parliament, all he does is to make jokes
28:27
Speaker 7: and hoop with laughter and think it's you.
28:29
Speaker 1: Know, nuclear energy hysterical.
28:32
Speaker 7: Carefully forgetting that we're about to put our sailors next
28:34
Speaker 7: to nuclear reactors, but we can't have them on land
28:37
Speaker 7: running the rest of the country. I have to say,
28:39
Speaker 7: I mean when he says it's no longer respectful, what
28:43
Speaker 7: he means is it's no longer sense it because it
28:46
Speaker 7: was censored, so that if you were slightly right, have
28:48
Speaker 7: said that you didn't get on and your opinions weren't.
28:50
Speaker 7: So now there are people who actually disagree with you. Chris,
28:53
Speaker 7: Isn't that terrible? You can't cope with that? And he's
28:56
Speaker 7: not being honest because the truth is what he's worked
28:58
Speaker 7: out is no one now believes a word he says.
29:02
Speaker 7: Nothing's going right for him, not the building of this
29:05
Speaker 7: massive network of power generation across the country, not the
29:09
Speaker 7: number of soul of farms that he needs, not the
29:12
Speaker 7: number of wind farms. None of it's happening. It's not
29:14
Speaker 7: going anywhere, so he's not going to meet any of
29:17
Speaker 7: his targets. The transition is not happening. The leaders of
29:20
Speaker 7: the energy industry are complaining that we need certainty for
29:23
Speaker 7: this so called transition. Nothing's going right for him. This
29:26
Speaker 7: is just a man having a bit of a wind
29:28
Speaker 7: because life is unhappy.
29:30
Speaker 2: I think, James, you know it's largely it's not that
29:33
Speaker 2: it's not a respectful place. And look, you know X
29:36
Speaker 2: can be a bit of a sewer at times. Let's
29:38
Speaker 2: not pretend otherwise. But he doesn't seem to want to
29:41
Speaker 2: engage with voters who might think differently and have reservations
29:46
Speaker 2: about renewable energies, which is a large proportion of.
29:49
Speaker 3: The Australian community.
29:50
Speaker 2: I think people should feel quite outraged that he's not
29:54
Speaker 2: willing to engage with these people and instead considers any
29:57
Speaker 2: criticism or any concerns disrespect.
30:01
Speaker 9: Yeah.
30:01
Speaker 8: I think politicians always want to be in our lives,
30:05
Speaker 8: tell us what they're what they're thinking, tell us what
30:08
Speaker 8: they're doing every day. But the second the conversation flips
30:11
Speaker 8: and we talk to them, hang on, can you just
30:13
Speaker 8: wait your turn for in the next three or four years? Sorry, really,
30:15
Speaker 8: this is the actions of ASUUK Chris Bowlin, you are
30:17
Speaker 8: a souk.
30:18
Speaker 9: For doing this.
30:18
Speaker 8: But the other point I want to make is that
30:20
Speaker 8: I come back to my body language thing that I
30:22
Speaker 8: said in the last topic.
30:23
Speaker 9: Right, it's an election year.
30:25
Speaker 8: Chris Bowen has nerved a platform where he has one
30:28
Speaker 8: hundred and forty thousand people reading his tweets to go
30:30
Speaker 8: to a platform where I saw today he has three
30:33
Speaker 8: thy six hundred. That's a drop of one hundred and
30:35
Speaker 8: thirty five thousand people on the outlet. I mean, it's
30:38
Speaker 8: an election year. You want to get your message out there,
30:39
Speaker 8: and that's what he's doing. That's not the actions of
30:42
Speaker 8: a winner. That's not the actions to someone engaged in
30:44
Speaker 8: what he's doing. It's someone who just goes I can't
30:47
Speaker 8: handle it, and you need to handle it.
30:49
Speaker 9: It's an election year. You're the Energy minister. Energy is
30:51
Speaker 9: a huge issue. You need to be able to handle
30:53
Speaker 9: this now.
30:54
Speaker 2: He needs to take a leaf out of Trump's book
30:56
Speaker 2: and get on there and dominate. I mean Trump was
30:58
Speaker 2: kicked off x but that was obviously before it was
31:01
Speaker 2: ex under Elon Musk.
31:02
Speaker 3: That's a whole other story.
31:03
Speaker 2: Look, let's move on to Queensland now, where the new
31:06
Speaker 2: Chris of Bully government has halted the delivery of the
31:10
Speaker 2: recommendation from the recommendations I should say from a Queensland
31:15
Speaker 2: Labor review into state gender services.
31:18
Speaker 3: Now, this review found that.
31:19
Speaker 2: Care being provided to children with gender dysphoria in other
31:24
Speaker 2: words trans kids, was safe, evidence based and aligned with
31:29
Speaker 2: national and international guidelines. This was Queensland Health Minister Tim
31:34
Speaker 2: Nichols on how the party feels about the review.
31:39
Speaker 5: The concerns that have been raised and were raised by
31:42
Speaker 5: me in debate in Parliament back in twenty twenty three
31:45
Speaker 5: about the delivery of the children's gender service, and particularly
31:49
Speaker 5: the use of puberty blockers, and we remain very concerned
31:53
Speaker 5: about the use of those puberty blockers, particularly in light
31:56
Speaker 5: of evidence that's coming in from around the world.
32:00
Speaker 2: Applaud the Queensland government for this, but the British government
32:03
Speaker 2: has effectively banned the use of puberty blockers after a
32:07
Speaker 2: landmark review called the Cast's Review found evidence for their
32:11
Speaker 2: use was weak. And yet kell they remain in Australia.
32:16
Speaker 2: Why has it even taken this long for a government.
32:18
Speaker 7: To not only are they here, we can't even look
32:21
Speaker 7: at them. I think five times Pauline Hanson has moved
32:24
Speaker 7: in the Senate for there to be a Senate inquiry
32:27
Speaker 7: into the current treatment of kids who are trans got
32:30
Speaker 7: this gender dysphobia problem, and every time the Senate votes
32:35
Speaker 7: against it. I simply don't understand why Australia has become
32:38
Speaker 7: a backwater, an unscientific backwater. Doctor Hillary Cass, who wrote
32:42
Speaker 7: the review that you referred to as a leading pediatrician
32:46
Speaker 7: and the former head of the Royal Council of Pediatricians
32:50
Speaker 7: and Child Health in Britain, she knows what she's talking about.
32:52
Speaker 7: She says there's no evidence that proves these things are
32:55
Speaker 7: safe and you can use them. What we do know
32:57
Speaker 7: and know for certain is puberty blockers make children a
33:00
Speaker 7: sterile for life. So children can't make decisions. Children don't
33:05
Speaker 7: understand consequences. They don't know. It's why they drive the
33:08
Speaker 7: way they do it, because they don't understand consequences. So
33:11
Speaker 7: you don't say that children under the age of eighteen,
33:13
Speaker 7: and including kids in their mid teens, you don't say,
33:16
Speaker 7: do you want to undergo this treatment be sterile for
33:18
Speaker 7: the rest of your life. This is so close to
33:21
Speaker 7: being child abuse it's frightening. So Australia is behind the
33:26
Speaker 7: rest of the world. I think Australia is still hurting children.
33:29
Speaker 7: I think it's time to catch up.
33:30
Speaker 2: It is a form of child abuse in my opinion, James.
33:32
Speaker 2: When the long term effects are things like sterility, I
33:38
Speaker 2: mean sterile and as well as that, not being able
33:43
Speaker 2: to enjoy sex later in life, I mean there's all
33:47
Speaker 2: sorts of long term impacts on someone who's undergone these
33:51
Speaker 2: sorts of who's gone on these puberty blockers.
33:54
Speaker 3: I think it's.
33:54
Speaker 2: Really really a scandal of our time that we're allowing
33:58
Speaker 2: this take place under our watch.
34:00
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think it's interesting how far the pendulum
34:03
Speaker 8: has swung on it. I don't think there's such a
34:05
Speaker 8: thing as bold and courageous plans from politicians. I think
34:07
Speaker 8: every idea they have has been focused, gripped and polled
34:10
Speaker 8: and to the inch of its life. So when the
34:12
Speaker 8: Queensland government says like, oh, you know, we voted for this,
34:15
Speaker 8: we're pushing it out on this, I think it's because
34:17
Speaker 8: they know that people have switched from going let's defer
34:21
Speaker 8: to the experts, let's just open our hearts to the kids,
34:24
Speaker 8: to now going this is madness. So I wonder, like too,
34:28
Speaker 8: that's how far it's gone in two years. I wonder
34:30
Speaker 8: where we're at on this issue.
34:31
Speaker 9: Three years.
34:31
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of things are going to
34:33
Speaker 2: change in twenty twenty five, and we're already seeing it
34:35
Speaker 2: happen in the UK and in the US, where Trump
34:38
Speaker 2: has said he's going to make all sorts of changes
34:40
Speaker 2: in this area as well. Look, let's move to Victoria,
34:42
Speaker 2: where teen offenders are using social media to boast about
34:46
Speaker 2: police chasing them, helicopters, police pursued on car, all sorts
34:52
Speaker 2: of things. It comes as youth crime and violence absolutely explodes.
34:57
Speaker 3: In that state.
34:58
Speaker 2: Now the Herald Sun is reporting young people posting photos
35:01
Speaker 2: and videos of themselves posing with knives and machetes, driving recklessly,
35:06
Speaker 2: and even aerial data like that from a police helicopter
35:11
Speaker 2: while they're being allegedly tracked or speeding more than two
35:14
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers an hour and being pursued by a police car. Now,
35:19
Speaker 2: both federal and state labor have rejected the coalition's calls
35:23
Speaker 2: for tough new post and post laws. They cite that
35:27
Speaker 2: they are already existing offenses and powers that cover these crimes.
35:31
Speaker 2: Yet kel we continue to see these crimes too often.
35:36
Speaker 2: It seems that young offenders at court and then a
35:39
Speaker 2: magistrate feel sorry for them, maybe gives them a slap
35:41
Speaker 2: on the wrist, maybe gives them bail, and they're out
35:44
Speaker 2: reoffending again because they're only kids.
35:46
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, this is a national problem. We're noticing what's
35:49
Speaker 7: happening in Victoria at the moment. It was part of
35:52
Speaker 7: the Queensland state election, big deal there, and it's happening
35:55
Speaker 7: in western New South Wales, in countrytowns particularly, I'm told so.
36:00
Speaker 7: We actually supposedly have a national cabinet, a meeting of
36:03
Speaker 7: premiers with our Prime minister to make decisions about national issues.
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Speaker 7: This needs to be dealt with at that level because
36:09
Speaker 7: state governments can't deal with it very quickly.
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Speaker 8: James, Yeah, I actually disagree. I don't think these laws
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Speaker 8: are needed. I think it's already illegal to steal a
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Speaker 8: car driver two hundred kilometers an hour and fight, So
36:19
Speaker 8: why would an extra law do anything other than give
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Speaker 8: judges another law to be lenient on. I think, and
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Speaker 8: I also find it interesting that this push from the
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Speaker 8: Coalition would give the E Safety Commissioner more power. Now
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Speaker 8: I'm old enough to remember when we were against the
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Speaker 8: E Safety Commissioner getting more power after the Misinformation Bill.
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Speaker 8: I think the problem the Conservatives have. We can fight
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Speaker 8: this one out in the ad break and know we've
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Speaker 8: better very quickly. But I think the problem conservatives have
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Speaker 8: is that they are very willing to hand over individual
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Speaker 8: freedom to bureaucrats, and the names are being tough on crime,
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Speaker 8: then get shocked later when those exact same freedoms they
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Speaker 8: handed over are used against them.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think Hell and I are both a fair
36:54
Speaker 2: bit older than you Steel James, and are old enough
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Speaker 2: to remember a time without social media.
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Speaker 3: Where we didn't post boast about these awful crimes.
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Speaker 2: I think a lot's to be said for a ban
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Speaker 5: Our national debate is full of people tiptoeing around, scared
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Speaker 2: US President Joe Biden is still president for another two weeks,
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Speaker 2: that is, and he is using his final days in
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Speaker 2: office to cause more outrage. This time it's for bestowing
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Speaker 2: the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the country's highest civilian honor,
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Speaker 2: to Democrat Megadona, George Soros and one time presidential hopeful
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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 14: She championed democracy worldwide, and her nomination for president broke
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41:21
Speaker 14: been dedicated to an eternal truth. America's ideals are sacred
41:26
Speaker 14: and we must always defend and live by them.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that is the Medal of Freedom for the woman
41:46
Speaker 2: who said people who post misinformation should be prosecuted.
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Speaker 15: I also think there are Americans who are engaged in
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Speaker 15: this kind of propaganda, and whether they should be civilly
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Speaker 15: or even in some cases criminally charged, is something that
42:05
Speaker 15: would be a better deterrence.
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Speaker 2: I feel James, like Biden, just has given up at
42:11
Speaker 2: this point. He's just giving these honors to his mates.
42:13
Speaker 2: He's handing out pardons left, right and center, record number
42:17
Speaker 2: of those, and he still thinks that he could have
42:19
Speaker 2: beaten Trump.
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Speaker 8: You have to respect it on some point. I mean,
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Speaker 8: this is really a guy that's gone, well, I've lost anyways,
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Speaker 8: it might as well just do whatever the heck it
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Speaker 8: is I want, like pardoning my son or giving Hillary
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Speaker 8: Clinton the Presidential Freedom Medal Freedom Anyway, It's also very
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Speaker 8: funny to see him have to give that award to
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Speaker 8: someone who famously the Democrats completely rolled him for in
42:38
Speaker 8: twenty sixteen to put her up. So I wonder how
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Speaker 8: actually enthusiastic he was to be like, oh, this lady,
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what the other part to me is
42:48
Speaker 8: this might be their last opportunity to hand out the
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Speaker 8: awards for their favorite signs for some time. I think
42:53
Speaker 8: Trump's going to be in Judge four years. I think
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Speaker 8: Jade Vance's at the box seat for at least four years.
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Speaker 8: After that, it might just be a hey, who might
43:00
Speaker 8: not be here next time we have a president. We
43:03
Speaker 8: need to get this going pretty quickly, because Trump's already
43:06
Speaker 8: measuring the curtains.
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Speaker 2: Well, George Soris, I can see that happening. He's pretty old,
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Speaker 2: man Clinton. That is a little bit rough.
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Speaker 3: Col What did you think of these honors today?
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Speaker 7: I watched this live on television. It was gripping television.
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Speaker 7: There was this frail old man trembling a lot, and
43:24
Speaker 7: you kept thinking, every time, will this time he dropped
43:26
Speaker 7: the medal? Will this time he not quite get it connected?
43:29
Speaker 7: Around the next and the awarding of Magic Johnson, where
43:31
Speaker 7: Magic Johnson had to almost kneel on the floor was hilarious.
43:35
Speaker 7: So you do feel sorry for he did it a
43:38
Speaker 7: little speech at the end and they kept him to
43:40
Speaker 7: about fifteen seconds. Look what you're saying is absolutely right.
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Speaker 7: It's a give a made of gong event, is all
43:46
Speaker 7: it is. He's not the first president to do what
43:49
Speaker 7: other presidents have done, a giver made of gong thing
43:52
Speaker 7: at the end of their four years. So it means
43:55
Speaker 7: that to some extent British honors can work like that
43:59
Speaker 7: as well. So I mean, it's what they do. They're
44:02
Speaker 7: in charge of the place, they decide what they're going
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Speaker 7: to do. I haven't got a gong, so obviously the systems.
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Speaker 2: Read obviously it is you've got a gong here, You've
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Speaker 2: got figures.
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Speaker 1: As gong from your rostel.
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Speaker 2: But you know, it's more of this strain the swamp
44:16
Speaker 2: stuff that Trump talked about. And I guess why he
44:19
Speaker 2: got voted in. I don't think the.
44:20
Speaker 3: Voters like it.
44:21
Speaker 2: Look further north now and it could be au revoir
44:25
Speaker 2: to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who is widely tipped
44:29
Speaker 2: to announce his resignation as early as today, ahead at
44:33
Speaker 2: least of a national caucus meeting on Wednesday. The embattled
44:38
Speaker 2: leader has been under immense pressure in recent months, as
44:41
Speaker 2: Paul polling shows his government is on track to be
44:44
Speaker 2: defeated by the opposition Conservative Party. James, it's been quite
44:49
Speaker 2: the fall from grace for misster Trudeau. At one point
44:52
Speaker 2: he could do nothing wrong. Even when he was pictured
44:55
Speaker 2: in blackface for example, It's still he was fine.
44:58
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is the guy that was the anti Trump.
45:01
Speaker 8: He was going to be the bold new way for
45:02
Speaker 8: Conservative leaders to rule.
45:04
Speaker 9: And here we are. It's set for one of them.
45:06
Speaker 9: I mean defeated.
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Speaker 8: As you said before, defeata doesn't quite put justice under
45:09
Speaker 8: the electoral thumping that these guys are about to get.
45:12
Speaker 9: And it's either the case of Judori.
45:13
Speaker 8: Just wants to be the selfless guy and help the
45:15
Speaker 8: party save a bit of furniture, or he just doesn't
45:17
Speaker 8: want to be the guy giving the resignation speech at
45:19
Speaker 8: the end of it. But I wonder, you know, at
45:22
Speaker 8: the end of someone's reign like this, you always wonder
45:24
Speaker 8: how will history remember him. I know how I'm going
45:26
Speaker 8: to remember Justin Trudeau and you it's two of the
45:29
Speaker 8: greatest headlines I've ever read in my life, and the
45:32
Speaker 8: first one I want to read out.
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Speaker 9: As you said, justin Judori says he.
45:35
Speaker 8: Doesn't know how many times he's warm black face in
45:38
Speaker 8: his life. Imagine not knowing how many times, Like.
45:45
Speaker 9: Oh, man, I remember three vividly. But after that.
45:50
Speaker 2: Once Antie Trump did that, Yeah, exactly.
45:54
Speaker 8: Now this next headline, it's definitely not funny, but it's
45:57
Speaker 8: also very funny. It's Canadian Parliament accidentally honors Nazi.
46:02
Speaker 3: Yes, I remember that too.
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Speaker 8: If you remember, this is when the Canadian Parliament honored
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Speaker 8: a Ukrainian Canadian citizen who, in the words of the
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Speaker 8: Speaker of the House at the time, fought so bravely
46:13
Speaker 8: against the Russians in World War Trea. I don't know
46:15
Speaker 8: if either of you guys are history buffs or not,
46:16
Speaker 8: but it turns out that we were on the side
46:18
Speaker 8: of the Russians in Bord War area, and someone should
46:20
Speaker 8: have done the mass on what that would mean the
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Speaker 8: Ukrainian soldier would have been.
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Speaker 2: You don't need to be a history buff to remember
46:25
Speaker 2: supreating basic information like that. Look, I want to go
46:28
Speaker 2: to the next story here because in the US, Biden's
46:33
Speaker 2: successor Donald Trump. He's enjoyed a dinner with Italian PM Georgia.
46:38
Speaker 3: Maloney at Mary Lago.
46:41
Speaker 2: Now before this came before screening of a documentary decrying
46:45
Speaker 2: the lawfair that was used against Trump's allies who tried
46:49
Speaker 2: to challenge his twenty twenty election loss. And the surprise
46:53
Speaker 2: visit comes ahead of Joe Biden's final visit to Italy
46:57
Speaker 2: on Thursday.
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Speaker 3: Kell It seems a much.
46:59
Speaker 2: More natural relationship here between these two leaders then it
47:03
Speaker 2: would have ever been with Biden.
47:05
Speaker 7: She is brilliant, absolutely wonderful. It is weird that the
47:09
Speaker 7: mainstream media still talks about her party Brothers of Italy
47:12
Speaker 7: as a far right party. It's not a far right party.
47:15
Speaker 7: It's a center right party. You've got to be hard
47:18
Speaker 7: left to think it belongs to the far right. And
47:20
Speaker 7: she's governing in Italy very cleverly. Her popularity ratings in
47:24
Speaker 7: Italy are huge. She's becoming the most powerful voice in
47:28
Speaker 7: the whole of the EU. So she is a model
47:32
Speaker 7: of how conservative leaders lead. So I think her and
47:35
Speaker 7: Trump are just a natural combination in a sense. And
47:39
Speaker 7: there is a dear old man in the White House
47:41
Speaker 7: she could have visited.
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Speaker 1: She decided not to, didn't she No, Well.
47:44
Speaker 2: She wasn't getting any bravery honors and freedom honors, was she,
47:48
Speaker 2: So perhaps it wasn't worth her time. Now, let's move
47:50
Speaker 2: to this horrific crime wave that's been taking place on
47:54
Speaker 2: New York subways, and the city's governor has now touted
47:58
Speaker 2: these new security cameras that are being installed in every
48:02
Speaker 2: subway car, which she says will help police fight and
48:05
Speaker 2: solve crimes faster. Now, James, we've seen recently horrific, horrific events,
48:11
Speaker 2: including an illegal immigrant who burned a homeless woman alive,
48:16
Speaker 2: someone who pushed a commuter into an approaching subway. But
48:20
Speaker 2: do you think laws like this are going to change
48:22
Speaker 2: what's happening?
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Speaker 9: I mean no.
48:25
Speaker 8: And at the same time, I mean, these attacks are
48:27
Speaker 8: so horrific and there is they think, oh, we've got
48:29
Speaker 8: to do something about this. But when governments feel the
48:32
Speaker 8: need to do something about it, that's when bad legislation
48:34
Speaker 8: gets made. So when they do stuff like oh, we're
48:37
Speaker 8: going to put a camera in every surveillance car, every
48:39
Speaker 8: subway car.
48:40
Speaker 9: Well, who has access to the footage? What can they
48:42
Speaker 9: use it for?
48:43
Speaker 8: We are the restrictions on the ability to use that
48:45
Speaker 8: footage I'm reminded of in the middle of COVID hysteria,
48:48
Speaker 8: when we were all checking in everywhere. We were told, okay, well,
48:51
Speaker 8: we're never going to touch it. We just really, we
48:53
Speaker 8: just want this for health purposes, we want this for
48:55
Speaker 8: contact tracing. Until it came out that the police were
48:57
Speaker 8: accessing the safewa app for a murder investigation. Again, like
49:02
Speaker 8: you should be able to investigate murder murder cases. But
49:05
Speaker 8: at the same time, like when we hand over these
49:07
Speaker 8: civil freedoms, we have to be prepared to never get
49:10
Speaker 8: them back. And that's kind of what I worry about
49:11
Speaker 8: house cases.
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Speaker 3: Cal I just think everyone's got smartphones these days.
49:14
Speaker 2: These crimes that I talked about specifically, they were filmed
49:18
Speaker 2: on people smartphones, you know, in a lieu of people
49:20
Speaker 2: actually stepping in to.
49:21
Speaker 3: Help these poor victis.
49:23
Speaker 2: Yes, and then you've got cases where people like Daniel Penny,
49:26
Speaker 2: who did step in.
49:27
Speaker 3: He's prosecuted.
49:28
Speaker 2: He was the guy who subdued someone making violent threats
49:31
Speaker 2: on the subway.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Basically, the governor of New York, Kathy Hopel, is saying
49:36
Speaker 7: she doesn't know what to do. She has no clue
49:38
Speaker 7: how to make this better. She doesn't know how to
49:40
Speaker 7: make New York safer putting cameras. She actually said that
49:43
Speaker 7: the majority of these attacks are done by people with
49:46
Speaker 7: mental health problems. They won't be deterred by the fact
49:49
Speaker 7: there's a camera in the subway carriage, So this will
49:53
Speaker 7: achieve nothing. This is just someone thrashing around because she doesn't.
49:56
Speaker 1: Know what to do.
49:58
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's been a lost case there New York for
50:00
Speaker 2: some time. Looks still to come on the program. North
50:03
Speaker 2: Korean desk spot Kim Jong Un launches an unusual crusade
50:07
Speaker 2: against a fast food favorite, Welcome back. Well, We've long
50:14
Speaker 2: suspected our phones are eavesdropping on us, and now a
50:18
Speaker 2: multimillion dollar lawsuit appears to have confirmed it. Apple has
50:23
Speaker 2: agreed to pay one hundred and fifty three million dollars
50:26
Speaker 2: to settle a case accusing the company of turning a
50:29
Speaker 2: virtual assistance Siri into a snoop who listens in on
50:34
Speaker 2: the users of its iPhones and other devices.
50:37
Speaker 3: Kel The allegation is that the phone is.
50:39
Speaker 2: Listening before you even say the magic words, hey Siri.
50:44
Speaker 2: It will be disturbing to some people, but not unsurprising.
50:47
Speaker 1: Not to me.
50:48
Speaker 7: I'll tell you why I don't have Sui, and I've
50:51
Speaker 7: been disturbed for a long time as to why I
50:54
Speaker 7: don't have Sui and all my smarter, tech smart friends
50:57
Speaker 7: all have it.
50:58
Speaker 1: Now I know, well.
51:01
Speaker 2: I ask Siri sometimes James, I go hey, Siri, and
51:03
Speaker 2: sirih doesn't seem to be listening to me. I don't
51:05
Speaker 2: know if she has a problem with me, but I
51:06
Speaker 2: have to say it about five times.
51:08
Speaker 8: I would absolutely keep it that way, and I thought
51:10
Speaker 8: it was interesting, Like you want to.
51:11
Speaker 9: Talk about the relationship people have with their privacy.
51:14
Speaker 8: A claims administrator says that only three to five percent
51:17
Speaker 8: of people that can file a claim against Apple on
51:20
Speaker 8: this one plan on doing so. Three to five percent
51:23
Speaker 8: of just like you know, ninety seven percent of people,
51:26
Speaker 8: like I knew it all the time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well exactly.
51:28
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would go, well, I'm
51:30
Speaker 2: not really saying anything either way. But it doesn't until
51:32
Speaker 2: you get in trouble. I guess it's not a problem now. Finally,
51:36
Speaker 2: despot Kim Jong un has further asserted his authority over
51:40
Speaker 2: North Korea by banning wait for it, hot dogs and
51:44
Speaker 2: ordering couples who divorce be imprisoned in a crackdown that
51:49
Speaker 2: could be straight out of the two thousand and four
51:52
Speaker 2: Classic Film Team America. The leader claimed the humble Snag
51:56
Speaker 2: is too Western. Now, James, I kind of love the
51:59
Speaker 2: fat that the Aussie sausage sizzle will be the ultimate
52:03
Speaker 2: act of defiance here. And I think a few married
52:06
Speaker 2: couples would say, continuing to be married when you're so
52:09
Speaker 2: unhappy is like being in a labor camp.
52:11
Speaker 3: But what do you think about all of this?
52:13
Speaker 8: For me, it's just the times like this of real
52:16
Speaker 8: pain for people. You need to show you solidarity. So
52:18
Speaker 8: from four North Koreans that are no longer going to
52:21
Speaker 8: be able to eat hot dogs, I'm sure this is
52:23
Speaker 8: coming through you through Elon Musk's watching this, so I'll
52:26
Speaker 8: speak to you now.
52:27
Speaker 9: But you need solidarity, you need allies in this time.
52:29
Speaker 9: So for you.
52:30
Speaker 2: Guys taking one little tea, I am with you, Kel,
52:37
Speaker 2: how can you top that?
52:37
Speaker 11: You can?
52:38
Speaker 1: You can't.
52:39
Speaker 7: And then for Kim John, you'll join me at Bummings
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Speaker 7: on a Saturday morning.
52:42
Speaker 1: We'll have a good time.
52:43
Speaker 2: I'm sure he is going to take you right up
52:46
Speaker 2: on that offer. James bowl Kel Richards, thank you for
52:48
Speaker 2: your time tonight, and thank you at home for watching.
52:50
Speaker 2: I'll see you back here tomorrow on the later bake up. Next,
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