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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, April 7 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrack, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Oshan. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, April seventh.
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Speaker 1: JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, NFL media analyst, and John Ozer,
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com senior writer. The Calm before the Storm.
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Speaker 1: That's where we are right now. Not a lot happening
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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars three weeks or so away from the
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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, but a lot happening still around the NFL.
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Speaker 1: The league quarterback shuffle continued this week. It seems like
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Speaker 1: silly season leading into the draft. We'll get into that.
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Speaker 1: A couple of social media questions as well. Bucky and
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Speaker 1: John joined me now and Bucky that there was an
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Speaker 1: earthquake in l A this week. Is that right? What
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Speaker 1: happened with that? Yes, there was an earthquake this week,
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Speaker 1: and it was a little different. It was a little
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Speaker 1: different obviously because like um, I wonder to say, it
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Speaker 1: was like four forty five in the morning, so you
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Speaker 1: just kinda lay there, rumbles a little bit, the house
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Speaker 1: quakes a little bit, the dog wakes up, and it's
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Speaker 1: kind of like trying to figure out what's going on,
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Speaker 1: and then you can roll back over because there wasn't
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Speaker 1: any major dammage done to the house, so you just
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Speaker 1: kind of you just kind of handle it easy. I'm
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Speaker 1: a home No, I'm a homeowner. I'm not on Bucky's
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Speaker 1: level of homeowner. I'm sure I don't have the four
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Speaker 1: car garage. So you literally just roll back up. Do
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Speaker 1: you go out you check anything? Is that? I mean?
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Speaker 1: I get worried when there's a rainstorm, so you literally
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Speaker 1: just go back to sleep. And that happens Buck, You're
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Speaker 1: just so yeah, it just kind of it kind of
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Speaker 1: rocked and swayed a little bit, but nothing for all.
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Speaker 1: Pitcher didn't fall off the wall, so everything everything was good.
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Speaker 1: My dog didn't even freak out. Normally she would go
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Speaker 1: crazy if it was some big or whatever. She just
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Speaker 1: kinda roll over. So you just roll over. It sounds
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Speaker 1: like to Mefornia, No, that one. That's a new one.
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Speaker 1: I've never been through one, but it sounds like to
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Speaker 1: me that was the seismic shift of the jag Wars
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Speaker 1: making moves in the National Football League here. That's that's
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Speaker 1: what it was. I think it was symbolic. It was
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Speaker 1: symbolic of the moves that will be made at the
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Speaker 1: end of the month, because when the Jaguars put together
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Speaker 1: all the draft picks and all the new players and
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Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback that comes along, big things that I
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Speaker 1: have a leadoff question for the scout. Do it, John,
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Speaker 1: go for it? Take me well, Bucky right now and
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Speaker 1: we come in for the show. There's not a tremendous
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Speaker 1: amount of Jaguars news going on right now that blies
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Speaker 1: what's really going on inside the building. I'm sure Bucky
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Speaker 1: tell people when you were a scout, if you were
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Speaker 1: a GM right now, what's the focus? What are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Is the boards set? I assume it's different because there's
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Speaker 1: no in person visits, But what's going on inside teams
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Speaker 1: right now in terms of UH prepping for the draft.
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Speaker 1: When we got through the last week or pro day,
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Speaker 1: so all of the information now was in the system
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Speaker 1: so you can find aze. I'm sure they have virtual
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Speaker 1: cars now, but the car so all the information the highway,
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Speaker 1: the speed, the arm length, what they measured in some
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Speaker 1: of those drills. You have all that information that is
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Speaker 1: in UH. The boards should be stacked um based on
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Speaker 1: all of the grades and that information being in there,
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Speaker 1: you're now waiting to see what happens with the medical
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Speaker 1: stuff when they have the combine check up and all
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Speaker 1: that stuff to come in. You may have different little
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Speaker 1: designations on the card for guys who have certain issues.
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Speaker 1: Some of that might be character concerns, some of them
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Speaker 1: may be medically concerns and those things. So you're trying
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Speaker 1: to sort that part out. And right now we're into
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Speaker 1: probably cluster busters season, meaning that you have a group
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Speaker 1: of players that are similar graded and you're trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out how to rank them. So if we're looking
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Speaker 1: at the cornerbacks, and let's just say the top of
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Speaker 1: the board, you have Patrick Sartan and J. C. Horn
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Speaker 1: and Greg Newsom. Okay, how do we feel about these guys?
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Speaker 1: If the grades come in the same, Uh, how do
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Speaker 1: we want to rank them? Do you want certain Horn Newsome?
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Speaker 1: Do you want uh new some certain more? How do
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Speaker 1: we want to put that in order so we can
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Speaker 1: get it right, because as these names come off the board,
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Speaker 1: we just want to stay true to the board. So
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Speaker 1: if this blinking light is there and as I picked,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna take the guy that we feel good about.
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Speaker 1: So now you're just trying to find find go through
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Speaker 1: the draft board with a fine toothcomb, so you can
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Speaker 1: make the good decisions on on draft weekend. And I
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Speaker 1: guess that's where GM comes in, right, I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: where you make your reputation. That's what separates the men's
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Speaker 1: from the boys, so to speak, because I'm assuming most
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Speaker 1: teams have most players sort of in similar areas generally,
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Speaker 1: but it's breaking ties is where the guy who has
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Speaker 1: the final decision sort of makes his bones, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like this this is where it is, and and and
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Speaker 1: every draft board is a little bit different. It's like
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Speaker 1: a snowflake. But there's a difference between being a scout
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Speaker 1: and a decision maker. Trent Baky and Urban mind their
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Speaker 1: decision makers, so scouts can bring all the information they can,
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Speaker 1: levy their opinions and fight for their guys, but it's
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Speaker 1: different in terms of make the decision to who we
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Speaker 1: going to hand in the card and what name is
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Speaker 1: going to be on the card, because what you want
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Speaker 1: to make sure that everything aligned. And it's not like
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Speaker 1: a perfect agreement between scouts and coaches in terms of
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Speaker 1: who the player is. But once that player is a
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Speaker 1: part of the jack, everyone has to be behind the pick,
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Speaker 1: and so it's really really important that you take all
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Speaker 1: the information, you make the best decision based on the
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Speaker 1: entrance of the team, and you hope that it worked
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Speaker 1: out bucking and and to that into to have the
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Speaker 1: cluster buster going. You want to have that board ready.
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Speaker 1: You can't be on draft day all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: changing your rankings. Oh wait a minute, we change our
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Speaker 1: mind on this guy in the third round. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're on the clock at that point. Yeah, yeah, everything,
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Speaker 1: Everything should be done. Um, Normally things are pretty solidified
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Speaker 1: the week before the draft. The last things to come
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Speaker 1: in are typically the medical and then the background stuff.
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Speaker 1: When you think about the security checks, from checks, getting
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Speaker 1: the last bit of information, that is the stuff that
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Speaker 1: kind of alters the board the week running up to
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Speaker 1: the draft, Like we finally get word on something. Ituld
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Speaker 1: be a character issue from way back in high school
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Speaker 1: that you have to do because I think the one
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Speaker 1: rule that everyone has is no surprises, no surprises on drafted.
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Speaker 1: After we after we picked the player, we have the
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Speaker 1: press conference. The fear that everyone has is the question
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Speaker 1: on something that no one knew about, and then you
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Speaker 1: have to answer for it. Or the owner has to
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Speaker 1: answer for it. So it's just really really important that
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Speaker 1: you get all of those things taken care of ahead
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Speaker 1: of time, and then it's just trust in the process.
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Speaker 1: You go through it, you rank them from one to
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Speaker 1: on A and then you just go in order. Don't change,
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Speaker 1: don't don't change on draft that jp Bill Poli, when
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Speaker 1: I worked for the Colts, used to tell me, But
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Speaker 1: there was a point where they basically put a sheet
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Speaker 1: over the board and say and nobody touches it again.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how realistic that was, but in concept
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Speaker 1: that's what they wanted to do. They got to a
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Speaker 1: point and then all of a sudden, the worst thing
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Speaker 1: that happens is you go back, you start racing stuff,
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Speaker 1: you start moving stuff around. Now realistically, did he ever
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Speaker 1: at one point two days before the draft switched something around. Maybe,
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Speaker 1: But that's conceptually what they tried to do is, hey,
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Speaker 1: don't overthink this, don't go back over yourself. Once it's done,
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Speaker 1: it's done. Yeah, Like John, for me, a lot of
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Speaker 1: times I try to put the pencil down before we
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Speaker 1: get to the combine when it comes to film evaluations
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Speaker 1: and those things, because you don't want to be impacted
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Speaker 1: in suede by a workout. So if you can have
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff done ahead of time, are we
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Speaker 1: going there every year? Four bucks? What's the point the
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Speaker 1: strip cocktail? John? That's why I mean, I mean like,
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Speaker 1: I mean like we can hang out the velocity. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so we can. We can. We can have connect connection
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Speaker 1: and talk and to them. So but yeah, you want
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Speaker 1: to put you want to put it down. You want
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Speaker 1: to just use the workout to kind of confirm things,
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Speaker 1: But you don't want that to impact you're great or
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Speaker 1: to leak into how you view a player. Because I
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Speaker 1: still say this, if the draft was a month after
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Speaker 1: the end of the college football season, it would be
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Speaker 1: a lot different than where it is position now because
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Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff kind of filters into the
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Speaker 1: evaluation rather than just looking at the player play football,
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Speaker 1: and that's where the mess ups have happened. This is
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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast, J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Os.
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Speaker 1: You're glad you're along with us on the Official Jaguars
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Speaker 1: podcast network. The Jaguars did make a signing late last
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Speaker 1: week linebacker Damien Wilson six founder first three at four
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Speaker 1: years of the Cowboys and then two years with the
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Speaker 1: chiefs of the math headed to the quick math of
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Speaker 1: the years. Let's help him math. So but you know
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Speaker 1: he's been in the last two Super Bowls with the
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Speaker 1: Kansas City Jeeves says a contributor on defense fourteen tackles
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Speaker 1: over the last two Super Bowls, including ten in the
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Speaker 1: losing effort this past Super Bowl. You know what, what
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Speaker 1: kind of signing is this second tier free agency? Bucky?
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Speaker 1: What what can you expect that a Damien Wilson, another
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Speaker 1: veteran present, having somebody in that in that uh position
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Speaker 1: room that can add some guidance and some leadership. You
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Speaker 1: have mac Um Miles Jack, you have Joe Schobert. You
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Speaker 1: now have another veteran that can get into play if
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Speaker 1: just putting layers of insurance and protection just in case
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Speaker 1: something goes right. Let's be honest with team is gonna
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Speaker 1: be in Nickel probably about seventy percentages done. And so
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Speaker 1: you only have two linebackers on the field almost downs,
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Speaker 1: and so what does that role? What does that look like?
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Speaker 1: Who is on the field anytime? Like at this point,
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Speaker 1: you're really shopping at the bark, the bargain bin, Like
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Speaker 1: what where can we get a good deal for someone
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Speaker 1: that can help us, but it doesn't cost a lot.
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Speaker 1: That's where we at right now, and so this probably
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Speaker 1: is a good signing for the Jacks because it improves
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Speaker 1: the depth and gives them another player that can actually
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Speaker 1: play if you have to get in. This feels to
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Speaker 1: me like a little bit of a of a sign
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Speaker 1: on philosophy JP. There any sense that I don't know
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Speaker 1: that the past regime would have done this sort of
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Speaker 1: veteran behind the linebacker corps to this degree. Maybe maybe not.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not I'm not trying to make too
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Speaker 1: much of it. You've got in different spots. To me,
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Speaker 1: clearly a want from this regime of making sure veterans
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Speaker 1: are are in all the groups. You know, Marvin Jones,
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Speaker 1: Carlos Hide, they already had veterans on the offensive line.
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Speaker 1: Linda and nor Will certainly qualify there. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that it applies in uh on tight end, although Shaughnessy's
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Speaker 1: the seventh year guy, and I guess I go back
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Speaker 1: to two thousand and twelve or thirteen when last regime
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Speaker 1: took over. They skewed so young, remember JP, And it
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Speaker 1: was when when somebody get hurt, they were rolling a
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Speaker 1: rookie free agent out there with the idea, hey we'll develop. Well,
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Speaker 1: we're all gonna grow, and I think they learned that
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Speaker 1: it's hard to make everything grow when all you have
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Speaker 1: is youth. And clearly this bunch is going away from that. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Damian Wilson is a guy who if Shober or Jack
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Speaker 1: aren't available, he steps in and you've got real experience.
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Speaker 1: You're not playing a kid. You know that to me
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Speaker 1: feels like a very calculated strategy. Yeah, I think you're
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Speaker 1: right on it, John. I think we saw it last
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Speaker 1: year with so many babies on the field. It's hard
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Speaker 1: to win with so much youth. That key positions and
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Speaker 1: what you would like and you want to have good debt.
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Speaker 1: You want to have the kind of team that if
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Speaker 1: the number one goes down, the backup can go in
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Speaker 1: and maybe whole Sir, may not be able to give
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Speaker 1: you the impact plays that maybe a mile Jack La
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Speaker 1: Joe Schober can give you, but he can come in,
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Speaker 1: he can man it, he can hold it down and
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Speaker 1: there's not going to be a noticeable difference when he
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Speaker 1: is on the field as the post to the other
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Speaker 1: And so it's just really important as you look at
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Speaker 1: this and it's we wonder what this marriage was went
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Speaker 1: to look like in terms of Coach Meyer coming from
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Speaker 1: the college game, Trent Backey coming from the pro game,
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Speaker 1: Havening experience, and how you put together a team. I
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Speaker 1: think you're seeing where the trying to find that middle
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Speaker 1: ground where you have a mix of young and old
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Speaker 1: and not too old, but a mix of young and
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Speaker 1: old so you actually can win games of the team
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Speaker 1: that you have while you're developing. You know, I just
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Speaker 1: thought of this when you in your earlier comment, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: when you said us to bargain been kind of time frame.
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Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know when the last time
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Speaker 1: you guys went to the Best Buy was, Bucky, You're
12:28
Speaker 1: probably not even allowed to go right now because you know,
12:32
Speaker 1: but so you know, you're checking out. You go up
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Speaker 1: to the front, and they don't sell CDs anymore. But
12:38
Speaker 1: they used to have this little like circular ben that
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Speaker 1: was five dollar CDs and most of it was just trash,
12:45
Speaker 1: like just stuff they're just trying to get rid of.
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Speaker 1: But if you dig down deep enough, you might find
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Speaker 1: the best of the Commodore's and then that's a great
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Speaker 1: c D, but it's a five dollar CD. Hey, you know,
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Speaker 1: so maybe Damian will soon is one of those types.
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Speaker 1: So you can you know, it's an old standby, you
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Speaker 1: can throw it on the car. You know it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a banger after a banger, and he can get
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Speaker 1: the job done. Well. I think, I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: that's I mean, I think that's really important, um to
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Speaker 1: be able to do that, to be able to bring
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Speaker 1: somebody in that can play. It's one thing to have
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Speaker 1: all these young guys that are developing, but at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, JP and John, you have to
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Speaker 1: have enough guys on your teams that can play and coach.
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Speaker 1: My end, those guys can talk about developing and want
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Speaker 1: to teach guys how to play, but hey, man, get
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Speaker 1: it gets hard teaching everybody. You don't want to have
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Speaker 1: a team type team how to play. Some guys that
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Speaker 1: know how to play and have a level of hey,
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Speaker 1: we can go out here. We know, Oh those are
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Speaker 1: the sidelines, those are the end zones, like, hey, oh
13:41
Speaker 1: they're a hundred yards. You want to be able to
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Speaker 1: line up and play and look like a team, and
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Speaker 1: so some of that is certainly bring me some of
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Speaker 1: these veterans in that can play and have also had
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Speaker 1: success because don't underestimate the value of coming from a
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Speaker 1: winning program in Kansas City coming to Jacksonville and not
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Speaker 1: necessarily saying that he holds court in the locker room.
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Speaker 1: But winners win, and winners kind of understand what it
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Speaker 1: looks like when you're winning, and so there's some value
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Speaker 1: to that. And the Super Bowl twice one one of them.
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Speaker 1: The Huddle Up podcast continues and the league quarterback carnage continues.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is carnage or not, but
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Speaker 1: a big trade Sam Darnald trader to the Panthers for
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Speaker 1: draft picks. What will the Panthers do now with Teddy
14:20
Speaker 1: Bridgewater is the big question. And obviously the Jets are
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Speaker 1: gonna go quarterback at number two now that they've got
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Speaker 1: rid of a guy they just drafted a few years ago.
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Speaker 1: This is another big one and just added to the
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Speaker 1: list of things that the Jaguars aren't really too worried
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Speaker 1: about now they don't Jaguars don't have to worry about
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Speaker 1: that right now. I think it's telling. I think what
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Speaker 1: we're seeing is a changing in a shift in philosophy
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Speaker 1: is when it comes to quarterbacks and how we view
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks right now. We used to think about them as
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Speaker 1: the sacred cows, the one that they we hold on
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Speaker 1: for dear life, making sure that we can get every
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Speaker 1: little bit out of them to see if they can
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Speaker 1: show any sliver of greatness or excellence at the position.
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Speaker 1: And right now, teams are moving on and cover your
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Speaker 1: rear end. If you picked him, cover your rear end too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like now, yeah, you know what we want better,
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Speaker 1: So we're moving on. We see if we can get
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Speaker 1: another another player. And also with Sam Donald, I think
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Speaker 1: is going back to the blueprint of building a super
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Speaker 1: Bowl team. A quarterback on a Rockie deal that enabled
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Speaker 1: you to build up the rest of the team. So
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Speaker 1: now you're balanced in all areas. You have a good team,
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Speaker 1: a good offense, a good defense. You have a quarterback
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Speaker 1: that is growing. And then as that quarterback goes from
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Speaker 1: being what we call a game manager to a playmaker,
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Speaker 1: then you can remove some of the pieces and know
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Speaker 1: that he is good enough to make it right. And
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Speaker 1: if you don't have one of those quarterbacks that can
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Speaker 1: make it right, you keep him to the curb and
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Speaker 1: find an I'm gonna start it all over again at
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Speaker 1: time for you guys, all right, um year one, six touchdowns, interceptions,
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Speaker 1: Year two, eight and thirteen, Year three, two and ten,
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Speaker 1: year four, fourteen and fifteen, year four. I mean ye're five,
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Speaker 1: four and six. That's Hall of Famer Dan Fouts oh
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Speaker 1: man like like like like like, but as my point
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Speaker 1: six years and I mean that's I get it's completely different.
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Speaker 1: But he became a passing quarterback like he was Eric
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Speaker 1: Corey Elgut and I was making the point long and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't quite like that, you know, you know, last year.
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Speaker 1: But it's transitioned out of that gradually from what but
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Speaker 1: you know what he's talking about. That used to be
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Speaker 1: it and then it got to where you had to
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Speaker 1: be good in a certain amount of time. Now and
16:47
Speaker 1: what's the year now? I mean, everybody's given up on
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Speaker 1: two already after one year. Yeah, we're in. We're at
16:54
Speaker 1: a point where as Bucky said, we had Peter King
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Speaker 1: in the podcast couple weeks ago and he said the
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Speaker 1: exact same thing you're saying, Bucky, the change in philosophy
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Speaker 1: on quarterbacks. You're talking about McVeigh and Shanahan giving up
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Speaker 1: on guys that got them to the super Bowl and
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden hitting reset and saying it's always
17:14
Speaker 1: been a quarterbacks league, Bucky, but now it's almost to
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Speaker 1: the point where teams are saying, that's all I need
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Speaker 1: if I have a quarterback. Once I get the quarterback,
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Speaker 1: I will build everything else around it, and I'll make
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Speaker 1: it on that. And I'm exaggerating because portno his dreams
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Speaker 1: obviously have other good players. But it's so much different
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Speaker 1: than even it was, you know, ten fifteen years ago.
17:37
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, John, Like, if you're gonna quote
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Speaker 1: Dan Health, I mean, you know you can't smoke on
17:42
Speaker 1: the airplane anymore. You're supposed to wear your seat too
17:45
Speaker 1: when you're driving cars, like you back into the Yaman
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Speaker 1: what else? I mean in the locker room. That's the
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Speaker 1: four thousand yard passing. That's the modern era. So I
18:00
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about that. I didn't know when you're
18:04
Speaker 1: reading those sets. I was like, who who that is?
18:07
Speaker 1: And when? And then when you got the year four,
18:10
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is he still playing in year four?
18:15
Speaker 1: Would have never happened today? Right, Yeah, you wouldn't have
18:21
Speaker 1: made it through year one? Now is that he started
18:24
Speaker 1: ten games? He was six? Yeah? Okay, So so now
18:28
Speaker 1: here's the difference, John, It's not only the way that
18:30
Speaker 1: we evaluate him, but the pressure also should go on
18:33
Speaker 1: coaches in terms of how they're developing the quarterback. For
18:37
Speaker 1: so long, we used to always here he has to
18:40
Speaker 1: sit out because he has to learn how offense. Now
18:43
Speaker 1: it's here's your quarterback. You need to huddle up with
18:46
Speaker 1: him and figure out what offense you guys are going
18:49
Speaker 1: to run because he's started so whatever he did. So
18:53
Speaker 1: for instance, I am sure they've had this conversation, uh
18:56
Speaker 1: in the building where blind Shot Ham and Darrybelle will
18:59
Speaker 1: have gone through and looked at all of Trevor Lawrences
19:02
Speaker 1: tape at Clemson and they're trying to figure out which
19:06
Speaker 1: of these concepts can we put in the game plan
19:09
Speaker 1: and in the playbook to help Trevor feel comfortable right
19:12
Speaker 1: away as a rookie. That's what it was before it
19:16
Speaker 1: was Hey, this is the team playbook. Bang learn it
19:20
Speaker 1: now with how can we meet you halfway in year
19:24
Speaker 1: one doing things that you know? And year two can
19:27
Speaker 1: we flip that ratio to now with what we do
19:32
Speaker 1: of what you know? And then can we eventually get
19:35
Speaker 1: it where you're doing all of the stuff that we
19:37
Speaker 1: want to do. It is, it is different and and
19:40
Speaker 1: you have to be able to get it right right
19:43
Speaker 1: away because with the rookie the rookie contract situation, you
19:47
Speaker 1: want to be able to cash in on those five
19:48
Speaker 1: years that you have a guy on a rookie deal.
19:51
Speaker 1: Upon reflection, was a rookie forty eight years ago. Uh yeah, yes,
20:06
Speaker 1: I mean so I was waiting for I was like, Okay,
20:08
Speaker 1: so he's going to He's going to quote like pay
20:11
Speaker 1: Manning's ricky year and the interceptions and those things or whatever.
20:15
Speaker 1: But then when you kept reading those numbers and those
20:17
Speaker 1: numbers were kind of small and predeson, I'm like, man,
20:21
Speaker 1: they need to pull the plug on that quarterback. Whoever.
20:25
Speaker 1: It does sort of speak to it, though, I mean,
20:27
Speaker 1: all kidding aside, It does speak to it a little
20:30
Speaker 1: bit that who knows, there may be some guy out
20:34
Speaker 1: there right now that never gets a shot because of
20:36
Speaker 1: that approach, you know. I mean, so there is a case.
20:38
Speaker 1: You mean, it's not going to change, but there is
20:40
Speaker 1: a case to be made that what quarterback has been
20:42
Speaker 1: given up on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not
20:48
Speaker 1: saying Jos rosen Get I don't know, but it does
20:52
Speaker 1: stand a reason that in this environment, for better or
20:56
Speaker 1: for worse, teams do give up, and it's even hard
21:00
Speaker 1: for a second chance anymore. Once a guy's given up
21:03
Speaker 1: on the Donald approach, where a team goes in trades
21:07
Speaker 1: for him after a team's given up on him. That
21:09
Speaker 1: doesn't happen that often when you get a legitimate shot anymore.
21:13
Speaker 1: And maybe it's gonna change because there's they're changing so fast.
21:16
Speaker 1: Maybe these keps will get at least one more shot. Uh,
21:21
Speaker 1: Sam Donald gets an opportunity like that, um and other
21:24
Speaker 1: quarterbacks will get opportunities like that based on how people
21:27
Speaker 1: view them in the draft process. So it's so soon afterward, now, yeah,
21:31
Speaker 1: I got you there. There are a lot of people
21:33
Speaker 1: that really are holding tight to the pre draft rate
21:36
Speaker 1: on Sam Donald and they're saying, well, when I scouted him,
21:41
Speaker 1: I know he has all of that. So those guys
21:43
Speaker 1: typically get a second, maybe even a third bite of
21:46
Speaker 1: the apple based on how you view them. And what
21:48
Speaker 1: you're saying is I mean the nurture over nature, Like, hey,
21:52
Speaker 1: we need to make sure that we get him right,
21:54
Speaker 1: put him in the right environment. We got the stuff
21:56
Speaker 1: around them. We have all this stuff that he needs,
22:00
Speaker 1: and he's going to flourish because we have the secret
22:03
Speaker 1: sauce that others didn't have. Now there's a level of
22:06
Speaker 1: arrogance that comes to that when you think, oh, just
22:08
Speaker 1: give them to the office. But that's how that's how
22:13
Speaker 1: we view it. NFL coaches do come with a certain
22:17
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22:24
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23:02
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23:04
Speaker 1: not gonna go into the Shawn Watson stuff today. That's
23:07
Speaker 1: the big story. But another big news you know worthy
23:12
Speaker 1: topic this week has been justin fields and going into
23:16
Speaker 1: the draft process. You know, there's there was this comment
23:20
Speaker 1: I believe the other week by Orlovski of ESPN. Yeah,
23:26
Speaker 1: that was talking about his work ethic. He said he'd
23:29
Speaker 1: been told some teams were concerned about fields work ethic
23:33
Speaker 1: and desire to be great. And then Ohio State head
23:36
Speaker 1: coach Ryan Day called out the comments, of course, and
23:39
Speaker 1: defended him and talked about his work to get back
23:42
Speaker 1: into the playoff after losing petitioned to have a season
23:46
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten this year. That wasn't going to happen.
23:49
Speaker 1: We all of a sudden, he kind of led the
23:50
Speaker 1: way on that. You know, scouts didn't travel this year
23:54
Speaker 1: to campus sites, so at least to go to the
23:57
Speaker 1: building and visit with guys. So where were they first
24:00
Speaker 1: hand on this? I don't know. And then you go
24:02
Speaker 1: see the playoff game this year against Clemson or he
24:06
Speaker 1: gets hit right in the ribs, missed one play through
24:10
Speaker 1: four touchdowns after the fact, and uh, who knew he
24:15
Speaker 1: was going to come back in that game? There was
24:16
Speaker 1: no way. So, yeah, there's a there's an imbalance there, Bucky,
24:21
Speaker 1: And there's this there's these anonymous scouts and sources and
24:24
Speaker 1: this is silly season. This is what we're left to
24:27
Speaker 1: talk about with three weeks ago. Yeah, right, yeah, it
24:33
Speaker 1: is silly season, and there's a lot that's gonna be reported.
24:36
Speaker 1: I think what um different now because the evaluation industry
24:41
Speaker 1: is driven by like hot takes and opinions and those
24:44
Speaker 1: things like we get that, particularly when it comes to
24:46
Speaker 1: the media side of it. And I think every year
24:49
Speaker 1: we pick a guy that we just kind of hammered.
24:51
Speaker 1: This year is Justin Fields until he is under the
24:56
Speaker 1: scope and people are picking apart his game and some
24:58
Speaker 1: of the other things that kind of come along with
25:00
Speaker 1: said I would say that's just having watched Trevor and
25:03
Speaker 1: Justin because they didn't grow up too far from one another.
25:05
Speaker 1: They were always quarterback one eight and one b um.
25:08
Speaker 1: I think anyone who saw them on the field together
25:10
Speaker 1: you can appreciate the talents that both bringing to the table.
25:14
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is every bit of a franchise quarterback in
25:17
Speaker 1: terms of the way he carries himself and those things.
25:20
Speaker 1: And I would say the same thing with just the Fields.
25:22
Speaker 1: It is just interesting that things are so loud right
25:26
Speaker 1: now that you just never know, you never know how
25:28
Speaker 1: these stories are planted, how they're kind of cultivated and
25:31
Speaker 1: blowing up. But it certainly dominated the headlines for for
25:34
Speaker 1: the eight hours. I mean, you've had her street mad
25:39
Speaker 1: stut tell both to tone it back a little bit,
25:41
Speaker 1: I think a little bit. It sounds like ye had
25:47
Speaker 1: a little infighting in fighting in the building. You know, Um, yeah,
25:52
Speaker 1: you don't like to do it. They not understand like that.
25:54
Speaker 1: It's that time. It is shilly season, and things will
25:57
Speaker 1: get hot and heavy as you know, like having known
26:00
Speaker 1: the game, like guys are putting this information out there
26:03
Speaker 1: to kind of get people off of this scent when
26:05
Speaker 1: it comes to which players they like, and they may
26:08
Speaker 1: they won't see those things pop up in mock draft,
26:11
Speaker 1: so you know you want some in runs and some
26:13
Speaker 1: reverses and all that stuff. We're ready off like when
26:17
Speaker 1: the c I a John or something. This is crazy. Yeah,
26:21
Speaker 1: it's it's I'll be honest with you. I have thought
26:25
Speaker 1: almost not a whit about any other quarterback. I am.
26:30
Speaker 1: I am growing my hair shoulder length. I'm gonna be
26:34
Speaker 1: a golden God. I am all in on the Trevor train,
26:39
Speaker 1: and I am I am ready to go. Look, I
26:43
Speaker 1: think jessein Field is gonna be good. I thought when
26:46
Speaker 1: I was watching him, I think a lot of the
26:47
Speaker 1: Ohio State Indiana storyline. I think you may have been
26:51
Speaker 1: talking about this, Buckey. I'm not sally heard talking about
26:53
Speaker 1: this his bad games. I think we're vastly overrated. I
26:56
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a really good quarterback. I just
26:58
Speaker 1: don't you know me. I've just been on the Trevor
27:01
Speaker 1: train all the time, growing my hair out. Yeah. So here,
27:04
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Other five quarterbacks selected in the first round.
27:08
Speaker 1: Two guys would be really good, two guys will probably
27:11
Speaker 1: be and one is gonna flame out. And so now
27:14
Speaker 1: it's the shield game in terms of which one do
27:16
Speaker 1: you have? And so that is a delicate balance because
27:19
Speaker 1: there's so many factors that impact how they perform at
27:21
Speaker 1: the next level, from supporting cast, continuity, stability of the organization,
27:27
Speaker 1: and the coaches to play call it to be the
27:30
Speaker 1: player's own development man it. It'll be interesting to see
27:34
Speaker 1: how this plays out, because Draft night we may see
27:36
Speaker 1: four come off the board like bang ba ba Bay
27:38
Speaker 1: Bank question for the scout, but quickly Daniel Jeremiah had
27:42
Speaker 1: like five in the first seven picks in his latest marks.
27:44
Speaker 1: That's a lot of quarterbacks. Yeah, I know you're on
27:48
Speaker 1: the Trevor train. To bucket. I don't think you're gonna
27:51
Speaker 1: grow your hair out, but you know, I think you're
27:53
Speaker 1: on the Trevor train. Can you throw your hair out?
27:55
Speaker 1: First of all, Bucky, let me jump in. Yeah, man,
27:57
Speaker 1: I can. I can show off. You're a bunch of
28:01
Speaker 1: show offs. I can't. I had it in high school.
28:03
Speaker 1: I can't do it now. No, but that's what I
28:06
Speaker 1: grew it up. It looks just like you're a If
28:11
Speaker 1: you're a GM with the number one pick, I know
28:13
Speaker 1: you're picking Trevor, But tell me why you're so convinced
28:17
Speaker 1: on Trevor compared to Justin Fields. What is the thing
28:21
Speaker 1: that makes you think I can go to the owner
28:24
Speaker 1: and say, I know we like Trevor because we've heard
28:27
Speaker 1: of him forever. But here's why, football wise, it's the
28:31
Speaker 1: right pick. Here's why I don't want to go swing
28:34
Speaker 1: at something else. I think you wanted to go to
28:36
Speaker 1: the map for Trevor because of the person. Because what
28:40
Speaker 1: everybody wants is you want someone who's invested in the
28:44
Speaker 1: process of being a champion as you are. And so
28:46
Speaker 1: when you investigate around Trevor, the one thing that everyone
28:50
Speaker 1: would say, hey, look he may not turn out to be,
28:53
Speaker 1: but he's definitely gonna turn over every rock to make
28:55
Speaker 1: sure that he gets to that point. And so if
28:58
Speaker 1: you can have someone that's going to for everything that
29:01
Speaker 1: they have into being an elite or an exceptional quarterback,
29:06
Speaker 1: you're okay with that because if he falters, but you're
29:10
Speaker 1: seeing him do the work poor in he's doing all
29:12
Speaker 1: the other stuff, he's trying to lead the team and
29:14
Speaker 1: do whatever, and then he's not good enough. That's one thing,
29:18
Speaker 1: it's another thing to be extremely talented and that player
29:21
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And I think the more that we are
29:23
Speaker 1: around Trevor, the more that we don't get the sense
29:25
Speaker 1: of entitlement and those things. Now, maybe that changes in
29:29
Speaker 1: year two, three or four if he has some success,
29:32
Speaker 1: but right now he's just about his business. He goes
29:34
Speaker 1: about it and he has a maturity that I think
29:37
Speaker 1: you can that you can hit your wagon too. So
29:40
Speaker 1: I think that has more to do with it than
29:43
Speaker 1: the A plus talent that he displays as a thrower
29:45
Speaker 1: and runner and all that. I think it's the person,
29:48
Speaker 1: the leadership ability that he displayed that makes you feel
29:51
Speaker 1: great about him being your qv one. You know what's sold.
29:54
Speaker 1: Go ahead and pick him, Bucky, I'm gonna pick him.
29:58
Speaker 1: And then the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm
29:59
Speaker 1: gonna put him in a single if you want, with
30:02
Speaker 1: the new numbers, with the new numbers, things like I
30:05
Speaker 1: think I wanna. I think I want to put him
30:07
Speaker 1: in a single digit. And we don't have Jimmy, I like,
30:11
Speaker 1: I need to know, can they bring zero back? Because man,
30:15
Speaker 1: if we can have this, that's not college. They did
30:17
Speaker 1: that in college last year. The single zero is ridiculous.
30:20
Speaker 1: Like jim Otto wore double zero. Let him just have that.
30:23
Speaker 1: That's the old days. Quarterbacks can have single digits now,
30:27
Speaker 1: that's fine. Put him in single digits, that's fine, everybody, everybody.
30:30
Speaker 1: Open season. I want to see the fat guy with
30:32
Speaker 1: the with the single digits. I want to see the
30:35
Speaker 1: big the linement with the snowman, the eight. I want
30:37
Speaker 1: to see somebody were number eight. I think it'd be
30:40
Speaker 1: so great. JP is coming. I know you don't like it,
30:42
Speaker 1: but the numbers, well that's not the chief. You know what, hey,
30:46
Speaker 1: don't retire all your numbers. You might have numbers, no,
30:48
Speaker 1: but because the practice squad stuff, I know what it's
30:51
Speaker 1: for I know, I get it, I know what. Everybody
30:54
Speaker 1: else had the issue too, like like here you go. Now,
30:57
Speaker 1: I thought you were the young Kip guy as we
31:00
Speaker 1: got all jo about his damn bus reference, and here
31:03
Speaker 1: you are trying to have the mold bare fourteen. They
31:10
Speaker 1: were a good solid quarterbacks. Now we were fourteen, but
31:13
Speaker 1: just one. We want some of these low numbers. We
31:20
Speaker 1: get to see corners with single digits and nineteens and
31:24
Speaker 1: all kinds. This could be so much fun. They should
31:27
Speaker 1: restrict them more. Oh, I think it's restricted more. Wide
31:32
Speaker 1: receivers should only be in the eighties. And if you're
31:35
Speaker 1: out of numbers, you can't sign a receiver. Yeah, you'll
31:37
Speaker 1: get you'll get the receivers. Oh well, sorry about it.
31:43
Speaker 1: Good luck because people are in position. All these numbers
31:48
Speaker 1: are gonna change everything. All the new Jersey's coming out.
31:52
Speaker 1: I like it. Well, there was I think this is John.
31:54
Speaker 1: I think you and I talked about this briefly, but
31:56
Speaker 1: there was. I think back in the fifties L s
31:59
Speaker 1: U ride a new numbering system where they used a
32:03
Speaker 1: letter and a number, so it was Q one, Q two,
32:07
Speaker 1: it was a quarterback L one too. Whatever it was,
32:11
Speaker 1: they had letter and it lasted like a year that
32:13
Speaker 1: nobody could understand what the hell was going on. So,
32:16
Speaker 1: I mean, it could be worse. I can see it
32:19
Speaker 1: could be worse. But it's gonna be fine. It's be fine.
32:20
Speaker 1: It's be fine. We gonna see all these guys want
32:22
Speaker 1: to change the number. It's gonna absolutely blow up everything
32:25
Speaker 1: that played by play guys I want to do, like,
32:28
Speaker 1: it could be very complicated for you to get your
32:31
Speaker 1: little your little card, your little your little board, like
32:35
Speaker 1: you know, your little boards, trying to keep up with everybody.
32:37
Speaker 1: But all these single digits, and if they let us
32:40
Speaker 1: do duplicate numbers like in college, don't even don't even
32:44
Speaker 1: think about it. What are we doing? Bucky? No? Four
32:47
Speaker 1: in white? Four is professional football? Bucky, Let's go. Let's
32:56
Speaker 1: wrap up today with a couple of social media questions
32:59
Speaker 1: started from Ado Darry eleven. After quarterback? What position do
33:04
Speaker 1: you think is the most important that the Jags need
33:07
Speaker 1: to address? Could you provide a couple of names of
33:10
Speaker 1: that position might be available at twenty five? That's rather specific,
33:14
Speaker 1: but all right, what's the most important to address after quarterback?
33:19
Speaker 1: Depending on Cam Robinson? Obviously, offensive tackles because you want
33:23
Speaker 1: to build a team like we're playing chess. You want
33:25
Speaker 1: to protect the king that you got to make sure
33:27
Speaker 1: that we get the tackle situations to what the five
33:29
Speaker 1: don't know? Uh. Coach Meyer said that, you know, he
33:32
Speaker 1: wants Robinson to be around for a long time, but
33:34
Speaker 1: let's just make sure we got the way I got,
33:36
Speaker 1: especially one of those big time guys like a trade
33:40
Speaker 1: Jenkins or derres Shaw. Some they happen to fall right
33:44
Speaker 1: to our left. Yeah, we take take the tack. You
33:47
Speaker 1: can't go wrong with offense stack. Yeah. I'm starting to
33:49
Speaker 1: wonder the more he studied Buck. I think we talked
33:52
Speaker 1: about this makes sense for a couple of reasons. I
33:56
Speaker 1: think because it's so much versatility in these linemen. And
34:00
Speaker 1: we talked about this in fact, that so many of
34:01
Speaker 1: these guys that are at the end of the first
34:03
Speaker 1: round have played left tackle. They can play right tackle.
34:07
Speaker 1: Most of these guys, from what you tell me, have
34:09
Speaker 1: the ability to play guard if necessary. So you get
34:12
Speaker 1: that if you draft the left tackle and you resigned
34:16
Speaker 1: Cam and either can or nor Well move on, then
34:21
Speaker 1: you can play him a guard next year. And you're
34:23
Speaker 1: still so I don't know what happens to twenty five.
34:26
Speaker 1: But the more I think about it from that end,
34:28
Speaker 1: the less it would surprise me at I think that
34:32
Speaker 1: the move That's a good question. That's a really good question.
34:35
Speaker 1: Our last question today from that Denton Thomas, what players
34:38
Speaker 1: not named Kyle Pitts would you consider moving up for
34:42
Speaker 1: in Round one? Where is that sweet spot? He asked,
34:46
Speaker 1: I say nobody, but go ahead, Yeah, I don't know
34:49
Speaker 1: if he was anybody, I wouldn't move up. Prenative pass rushers, um,
34:52
Speaker 1: the wide receivers. I believe you can get off side
34:54
Speaker 1: of it if you needed. Quarterbacks are very similar. I
34:57
Speaker 1: don't think you need to move around the board to
34:59
Speaker 1: get that tackles we just talked about. I don't know, man,
35:03
Speaker 1: I don't really. I don't really think there's anybody that
35:06
Speaker 1: is a must have, like outside of the quarterback position.
35:10
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anyone that you're like, I
35:12
Speaker 1: have to have this guy. The safety position we can
35:15
Speaker 1: talk about, but like, uh, I mean, do you move
35:17
Speaker 1: up for America though? Yeah? No, or you get the
35:23
Speaker 1: next guy? Like the next guy is pretty far down
35:26
Speaker 1: in terms of safety, right, I wouldn't say, like he said,
35:29
Speaker 1: the shoulders there, I mean there's some separation, but I
35:31
Speaker 1: don't know if it's I don't know if it's a
35:33
Speaker 1: guy to have it. Signing Josh Jones back, bringing Rashon
35:36
Speaker 1: Jenkins over, I think they did a good job of
35:40
Speaker 1: And you hear old school exact say you always want
35:43
Speaker 1: to have a team that if they we had to
35:44
Speaker 1: play a game today, could we line up and put
35:47
Speaker 1: an offense in the defense out there that could compete?
35:50
Speaker 1: And I think you're probably at the point with Jackon
35:53
Speaker 1: without the quarterback, unless you will mention many to do it,
35:55
Speaker 1: but I think we could. We could feel the competitive
35:58
Speaker 1: team based on what you have in that's what you
36:00
Speaker 1: like to have going into the draft, that hey, if
36:03
Speaker 1: we need to put the ball down and play, we
36:04
Speaker 1: can play. I think the jack right now and good
36:06
Speaker 1: enough to play. So yeah, there you have there. There
36:08
Speaker 1: aren't many And thanks for the questions today on social media.
36:12
Speaker 1: Appreciate that's three weeks to the NFL Draft. I'm sure
36:17
Speaker 1: you're a busy man. Are you gonna be wearing the
36:20
Speaker 1: for this is the podcast is audio only, So Bucky
36:23
Speaker 1: today is in a lovely sport jacket with a nice
36:27
Speaker 1: what is that kind of floral time, a pocket square
36:32
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. Yeah, the pocket square, you know whatever,
36:34
Speaker 1: I'm just playing. I'm playing uh TV because I have
36:38
Speaker 1: on shorts and all that below. So I'm playing like
36:41
Speaker 1: the local the local broadcaster right now, you know, like that,
36:46
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing. So yeah, I'll play. I put
36:48
Speaker 1: a suit on for a little bit, a little TV.
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Speaker 1: That's around. We're gonna see you all over the screen
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Speaker 1: in the next few weeks. I'm sure all over the
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Speaker 1: gonna be fun. But man, wait, way to way to
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, like you get to pick and how excited
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be about the jack Oh yeah, that's coming.
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Speaker 1: That's coming. John. You've got Daryl Bevil this week, Daryl
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Speaker 1: Bevil on the Ozone podcast and then Uhtin I think
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Speaker 1: fancy check out. We haven't talked about a whole lot
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Speaker 1: Bucky and I mainly Bucky. The draft series, the text
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Speaker 1: draft series we've done on Jaguars dot Com has really
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Speaker 1: worked out well. Yeah, I kind of break down the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars angle of it and right a leading to the
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Speaker 1: story and then Bucky really digs pretty deep on the
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Speaker 1: top prospects at each position. So that's been run on
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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com Jpano. You've been reading it and it's
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Speaker 1: pretty good stuff. Fancy check out. I love it, great stuff.
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Speaker 1: As always, Bucky will talk to you again next week.
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Speaker 1: Hey man, it was this was much better than me
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Speaker 1: weaving through traffic and doing it like I was able
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Speaker 1: to really slow down and take my time and talk
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Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. But I tell you every week,
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Speaker 1: firsts the traffics that I had, the earth the earthquak
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Speaker 1: this week, kid, There's always something. There's always something here
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Speaker 1: on the Huddle Up Podcast with Bucky in l A.
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Speaker 1: It is the Seis mcchany age in the NFL, I
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Speaker 1: believe is what it is. John, We will talk to
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