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Mac & Bone Hour 2: LaMelo Ball Introduced In Minnesota · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: for you as well. But right now, though, I do
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about LaMelo ball and the fact that hey,
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  Speaker 1: he is in She was introduced yesterday along with Josh
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  Speaker 1: Green Minnesota, had his introductory press conference, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to have the conversation about what do we think LaMelo
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, probably excited. No, she's gonna be in
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  Speaker 1: California till next week. Okay, Yeah, that's good news for
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  Speaker 1: all of us. Thumbs down, We're gonna thumbs down. It's
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  Speaker 1: between us at Tampa. Tamy suit, why don't you tell
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  Speaker 1: us that? Why did we interrupt the radio shows? As
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  Speaker 1: you can tell us he's going on vacation. All right, anyway,
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  Speaker 1: good to know, though, it is good to know. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let me refocus here. So LaMelo's introduced yesterday in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: We have not really had the conversation bone of like,
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  Speaker 1: do we expect it to go great for him and
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  Speaker 1: aunt in Minnesota? Do we think for years he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be bawling out, they're gonna be winning playoff series and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be miserable about this trade for years?
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  Speaker 1: Because obviously there are fans that are not over it
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  Speaker 1: at all. The Jeff Peterson slander bone continues even to
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  Speaker 1: this morning. I saw some earlier, but do we really
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  Speaker 1: fear that it's gonna be an amazing hit in Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: and it's gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Be painful year after year four us?
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  Speaker 1: I want to have that conversation, but we gotta let
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  Speaker 1: everybody hear this at first, and I want to see Bone,
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  Speaker 1: what you think, what everybody thinks out there. Tim Connolly
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  Speaker 1: is the GM of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Listen to this
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  Speaker 1: when he talks about the injury question about LaMelo Ball,
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  Speaker 1: do you think Bone it's possible that he doesn't fully
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  Speaker 1: understand the injury situation.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, listen to this, but you see what Lomamello does
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  Speaker 2: with his healthy. It's the health.
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  Speaker 4: It's been these random wonky injuries.
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  Speaker 5: Right or something?
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  Speaker 4: You'll play more than seventy two years or short?
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Hope nothing, hopefully he said.
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  Speaker 1: If you couldn't hear it there, he said, it's just
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  Speaker 1: been random wonky injuries, right for you, LaMelo. He's sitting
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  Speaker 1: right next to LaMelo, and then he says, he played
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  Speaker 1: seventy two here in Charlotte last year, so that's why
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  Speaker 1: he said you'll play seventy two games this year?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And LaMelo says, hopefully didn't that sound weird? Yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Minnesota's done a really nice job with their
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  Speaker 3: with their team here, but yeah, that's a little bit
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  Speaker 3: u that's a little bit odd. And that is the
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  Speaker 3: big question I do have about Wamelo and Minnesota. You
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  Speaker 3: mentioned right away when this trade happened. Minnesota wins, They
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  Speaker 3: have a winning environment, they win playoff series. They are
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  Speaker 3: a good organization right now. But they're going to ask
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  Speaker 3: Wamelo Mac to play more basketball than he's ever played
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA regular season. But if they're going to
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  Speaker 3: advance into the postseason and in the series and go
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  Speaker 3: take on Okac and San Antonio and get to the
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  Speaker 3: second round and do whatever whatever they're whatever they're going
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  Speaker 3: to do, they're going to have to figure out how
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  Speaker 3: to manage Melow beyond even what the Hornets have done,
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  Speaker 3: because they're going to expect him to go out there
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  Speaker 3: and play meaningful postseason games into the into May and
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  Speaker 3: June is their goal. But that's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: question of how do they get the most out of
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  Speaker 3: Melow's durability when he's never had to play that much before.
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  Speaker 1: And listen, in fairness, Chris Finch said, we have a plan,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to try our best to follow that plan.
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  Speaker 1: So like to be fair to the Minnesota Timberwolves, Chris
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  Speaker 1: Finch seemed like he had a grasp of it that
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  Speaker 1: comment about random wonky injuries. No, this ain't random, dude.
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  Speaker 1: This is a chronic ankle problem that he has had.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, the Hornets, I don't know, Bone.
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  Speaker 1: If they don't, I know it drove us crazy at times.
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  Speaker 1: But if the Hornets don't limit him to twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: minutes a game last year, I and the thing where
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  Speaker 1: he didn't start that.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly didn't work out.
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  Speaker 1: But if they didn't find a way to limit him
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven minutes, do we think he played would play
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  Speaker 1: seventy two? I'm not sure, no one knows, but I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a very good chance he wouldn't. So like
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  Speaker 1: and I get and they gave up all, they gave
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  Speaker 1: up Bone, Are they gonna put a strict limit? Chris
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  Speaker 1: Finch said that we have a plan, But are they
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  Speaker 1: gonna put a strict limit on his minutes? Because if
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  Speaker 1: they start asking him because we gave up so much
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  Speaker 1: for you, you're the guy that ant man desperately wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be teamed up with a running mate. You're that
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  Speaker 1: hand picked person. Are they gonna have the discipline year
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  Speaker 1: after year to play him only twenty seven minutes? I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't think so, just because then Jenny stay healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Because you changed teams doesn't mean he changed ankles and
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  Speaker 3: his body's not gonna change. He may have the same
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  Speaker 3: problems there. There's there's no telling Mac what. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's a big reason why the Hornets, even though
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  Speaker 3: they didn't get to perceive value that we thought they would.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Hornets felt before we lose any value
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  Speaker 3: at all, before, we don't have no value with Wlamelo.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to strike now and move on and start over,
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  Speaker 3: not start over again, but kind of reset some things here.
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  Speaker 1: So this brings me so I don't know, Tim Connley
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  Speaker 1: sound like a dufus like Chris Finch sounded more educated
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  Speaker 1: on it. Tim Connolly, like, do you really not know
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  Speaker 1: that it is like a chronic ankle problem? How are
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  Speaker 1: you not prepared? How's the gm of the horn of
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  Speaker 1: the tea wolves not better prepared for the injury question?
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like he just heard about it. They injuries LaMelo.
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  Speaker 1: Really let me look at the list here Oh crap.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on here because the media
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  Speaker 3: didn't ask Jeff Peterson about Wlamelo's injuries of our ability,
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  Speaker 3: and then the Minnesota GM acts like nothing's happened with him,
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  Speaker 3: like we did? We Mac just dream now? Whamelo got
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  Speaker 3: injured all the time? Did this never actually happen before?
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure where Romelo played every game? Wait, what's
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  Speaker 3: happening here? Maybe someone bring these things up.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Tim connolly listened to the press conference and didn't
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  Speaker 1: hear anything about injuries and thought, oh, we're good, We're good.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he listened to Jeff Peters's pressery. Maybe I'd let
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  Speaker 1: him believe it. Walker Mail made a good point yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: It conjures up memories of Mitch Kupcheck's introductory presser where
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  Speaker 1: at one point he is asking the media and attendance
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  Speaker 1: about the payroll situation for the team he just agreed
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  Speaker 1: to be the GM.
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  Speaker 2: It add similar vibes to that, it really did. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my god?
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  Speaker 1: All right, So this brings the question here, and we
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  Speaker 1: do speak at Jeff Peterson. I do want to get
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  Speaker 1: to some of his quotes from his conversation with Mark
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  Speaker 1: Spearsandscape Dot com because he was pretty damn honest with
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  Speaker 1: Mark Spears, pretty candid with Mark Spears, including comments about
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  Speaker 1: criticism from fans. Very interesting stuff. But I just want
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  Speaker 1: to float this out here. Do y'all believe are y'all
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  Speaker 1: afraid that LaMelo Ball will go to Minnesota? Stay healthy,
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  Speaker 1: Ball out, him and ant Man will be one of
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  Speaker 1: the best backcourts in the NBA and we will feel
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  Speaker 1: bitter about this trade for years. Do you do you
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  Speaker 1: have fear of that?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 1: How do we think he's gonna do in Minnesota?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Again, there's the unknown. The same problems
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  Speaker 3: here that we had, or the same questions that we
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  Speaker 3: had about the injuries, are going to be there in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: It's just going to be at a different level because
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  Speaker 3: of how far they may advance in the postseason. As
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  Speaker 3: I just said, there's also, you know, the fail with
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. We have to see how they gel together.
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  Speaker 3: And we also can't forget that one of the reasons
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  Speaker 3: why they were willing to bank on this move right
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  Speaker 3: now is because they feel that they've got two stars
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  Speaker 3: in Miller and kon Kin Nipple. But Brandon Miller takes
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  Speaker 3: that leap up there to twenty five points per game,
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  Speaker 3: whatever we think that number may be. If he leaps
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  Speaker 3: up and Kon continues to be what he's been, then
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  Speaker 3: they're going to be all right that they have two
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  Speaker 3: guys here to help carry this thing with Alamelo. But
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  Speaker 3: if Brandon Miller doesn't stay healthy himself or doesn't make
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  Speaker 3: that Lebel, then it's not gonna work. But they're counting
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  Speaker 3: on those two young pieces to take them to that
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  Speaker 3: next level.
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  Speaker 1: It Also, you're right, a lot of it depends on
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  Speaker 1: what happens here too. If LaMelo ball, if it goes
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  Speaker 1: great for him, as long as it goes great for us,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to be miserable, right, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be happy about our own situation. I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us will be happy for him. I don't
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  Speaker 1: wish him any ill will. I think he's a good dude.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, little goofy, little immature is still
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  Speaker 1: rough around the edges, but I think he's genuinely a
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  Speaker 1: good dude, wants to have fun hooping, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: wish him many ill will. I hope it goes well
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  Speaker 1: right and they could be fun together. You could see
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  Speaker 1: a whirl bone where those two are having fun together
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  Speaker 1: on the court, So I don't wish him any ill
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  Speaker 1: will I wanted to work out for us and work
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  Speaker 1: out for them. I think if Jeff Peterson uses all
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  Speaker 1: these assets bone and ends up getting a baller or too,
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  Speaker 1: and this thing goes to another level and they are
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  Speaker 1: true championship dedenders, I don't think it matters if LaMelo's
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  Speaker 1: all MBA right. I don't think we're gonna be bitter
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  Speaker 1: about it. So I think you that's a good point
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  Speaker 1: you're making, is Hey, it matters what happens here as
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  Speaker 1: far as what I expect from LaMelo. I'm curious what
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  Speaker 1: Hornets fans think about this. If you went gun to
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  Speaker 1: my head and I ask you not to, but if
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  Speaker 1: you went gun to my head, Bony, I think I
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  Speaker 1: would say that. I don't think it's gonna be some
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  Speaker 1: amazing thing. I still, even though I sit here today
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  Speaker 1: and say I wouldn't have traded LaMelo ball, I would
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  Speaker 1: have given this. I would have tried to add to
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  Speaker 1: this core and let this breathe for another year or so.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I think LaMelo will have trouble staying
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  Speaker 1: healthy still, and I hope I'm wrong again.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not wishing that at all.
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  Speaker 3: There's also a personality question of his laid back nature
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  Speaker 3: with the absolute dog named competitor, competitor that Edward is.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying Wamelo is not a competitor, but there
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  Speaker 3: are two completely different personalities by Son Bigton. Maybe it
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  Speaker 3: maybe it meshes or it might be all good now
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  Speaker 3: when they're, you know, just doing the off season stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But if a mellow in a clutch moment, Matt takes
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  Speaker 3: one of those yolo's yolo off off balance from thirty eight,
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  Speaker 3: ing away three, when Edwards wants the ball, Yeah that's
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna go tell Wamelo. Maybe some guys wouldn't hear.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna say, that's my basketball. And it's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: interesting to see how how does Edwards deal with the
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  Speaker 3: non chalant, laid back nature that Wamelo carries himself.
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  Speaker 2: It will be interesting. I also think it works. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, but it's something to watch.
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  Speaker 1: I also think, and I said this when the trade
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  Speaker 1: was made, I also think there's a world where the
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  Speaker 1: dog that is ant man starts getting in lamellos.
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  Speaker 2: You know, took us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he didn't have that here necessarily, maybe miles to
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  Speaker 1: a degree, but you get to feeling there were buddies
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  Speaker 1: and there wasn't a ton of that, like, but this
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  Speaker 1: could be a dude that brings out what's the word
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  Speaker 1: they always said that the critics always use for LaMelo unseerious? Right?
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  Speaker 2: And then what Nick Wrong said? Unserious? Nick Wrong? I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't you see a world.
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  Speaker 1: Too, though, where aunt Man makes this dude a little
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  Speaker 1: more serious?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Or not?
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  Speaker 2: Or do you not say more? I think that's very
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  Speaker 2: possible that he needed someone like that.
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  Speaker 3: Man, It's so unknown because Mac there's also a world
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  Speaker 3: where Wamelo sitting for two weeks and Anthony Edwards just thinking, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: this dude ever gonna play basketball again? There's also that
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  Speaker 3: world where Wamelo could go out and Edwards is like, well,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on here that you know? Is he coming back?
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  Speaker 3: There could be that world. Who really knows? But I
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  Speaker 3: do know this back And I came up with a
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  Speaker 3: term though, on the other side of the trade to
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  Speaker 3: describe nos Reid. Naz Reid has that hornet's DNA, So
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  Speaker 3: winner naz Reid hornets DNA. So they got something here
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  Speaker 3: that they think is also going to fit what they wanted.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Peterson gonna act like nas Reed's Karl Malone future
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 3: It makes nobody does fit in that he does have
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  Speaker 3: a win. He is a winner, no doubt he is.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good role player.
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  Speaker 1: But LaMelo Ball was the biggest star on this team,
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  Speaker 1: and it felt like Jeff Peterson was trying to almost
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  Speaker 1: say the trade was even between those two. So but anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I digress. You just brought up hornets DNA. I really
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  Speaker 1: do wonder do you think they thought LaMelo Ball had
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  Speaker 1: what they view as Hornet's DNA. It really makes me wonder.
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  Speaker 1: I think it goes on.
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  Speaker 3: I think it goes all the way back to the
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  Speaker 3: initial reaction of what Zachloe said. Did they feel like
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  Speaker 3: for them to get to a level they want to
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  Speaker 3: get to that he was the guy in playoff basketball
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  Speaker 3: in physicality and standing up to those physical guards. Would
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  Speaker 3: he hold up for that? I think it was all
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  Speaker 3: about looking not at the regular season, but how do
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  Speaker 3: they get past the play in eventually get to a series.
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  Speaker 3: Do they trust him to hold up for the duration
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  Speaker 3: of all that physicality wise? Yeah, I think that's what
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it was necessarily personality. I don't I
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  Speaker 3: don't buy into some of the other stuff. I think
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  Speaker 3: it was did they trust him to be a guy
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  Speaker 3: that can get them to that next level?
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  Speaker 2: And they viewed it as no.
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  Speaker 1: Like do they look at it like the injuries definitely
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  Speaker 1: and the physicality too, right, but also just do we
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  Speaker 1: think he is a highest paid player on a championship contender, you.
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  Speaker 7: Know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: So I think maybe they thought those things. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I wish Lamel the best. I was just kind of
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  Speaker 1: curious what fans thought, like, do you really, deep down
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  Speaker 1: inside fear that that him and ant Man will take
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  Speaker 1: the West by storm and will be left miserable and
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  Speaker 1: angry for years. You know a lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: saying it depends on what Jeff Peterson does. This dude
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  Speaker 1: says that chef Jeff cooks here, it's all good. If
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  Speaker 1: this rebuild this pa, if this patient rebuild flops, we
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  Speaker 1: gonna be bitter regardless of what happens.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: If this whole thing never comes to fruition, and we're
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  Speaker 1: to be patient as he acquires assets and waits for
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  Speaker 1: the right time to pounce with the big move, and
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  Speaker 1: then the big move comes and fails. You know, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what Lamelon does. That's a good point. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be angry and we will be bitter. Hell, what
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  Speaker 1: do we call this because it's not really a rebuild,
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  Speaker 1: is it?
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  Speaker 5: It?
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  Speaker 2: Is it a is it a reset?
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: What?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: What? What is this described as?
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: Right now?
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Reimagine, reimagine.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: You know what, that's not a bad one, fiddy. They
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: already did this reimagining. They already did that with Spectrum.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: It's a re reimagining, isn't that what they called the
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: new Spectrum Center reimagine Spectrum Center. Match.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: It's not a tear down because they do have some
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: young stars or who they think are young stars.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: They've got a lot of pivot. It's a pivot. Like
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: why to call him Wonderman. That's the Miami writer who,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: by the way, the Miami writer Ira Wnderman uh set
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: on a radio interview the same thing that that we
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: said about Tyle Hero.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: He's got a punchable face. But anyway, I punch more
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: is up on the w F and D social feeds.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you're a help yesterday and would help
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: them my guy Andy to put it to do use
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Ai to put it together. We have the graphic of
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: our four people on Mount Punch. Congrats to all that
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: made it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: Can I ask you a question about the hornets? We
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: got into this the other day. When with this franchise,
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: is it ever going to be about this year? Like
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: all we hear is sustained long term success MAC the NBA.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe with the second Apron stuff.
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: The way that the CB is constructed now you can
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: see small markets thrive. This is not a leak historical
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: where we see small markets thrive for sustained periods of
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: time outside of the Spurs dynasty and what we've seen
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: from Okac.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: But when will it ever be about this year?
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: Will this franchise ever get to a point where the
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: fan base can.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Enter the year and can expect something you that year?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: So you think they will just never use the assets
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to acquire a big fish?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: They haven't?
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: You the trade exception, We thought that that was they
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: have a year to do that.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: They have a year beside of Jalen Brown. Where were
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: we have to wait for stuff to develop here? What
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: what were they going? I mean, I guess they could
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: split it up, but they're definitely not in a hurry.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: We've talked about that, but like you're acting like you
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: don't think they will ever like pounce.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: I just like, as as someone that's obviously not a Hornets.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Fan, Yeah, why do you even care, Nick Fitting?
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Because I because that's like I give support three rebuild.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I'm a Met fan. We're always rebuilding.
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: But even the Mets have gotten to points where it's
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: all about that year, and usually they have failed. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: just want to know when is like in their mindset,
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: when is that year? Is it twenty thirty, is it
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: twenty thirty one? I hope it's before that is twenty
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: twenty nine. Like, I just want to know when is
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: the year where they are they still want to be
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: set up for long term success, but damn it, this
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: is a make or break year.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: It's a legit question.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: The make or break year will come after they use
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: all these assets and go get because I do believe
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: they will pounce.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I don't believe he's lying.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I don't believe he's just collecting draft picks bet to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: then go get fired and take those and leave those
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: draft picks someone else. But to your point, Fit, it's
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: that Hornets fans should feel like that. I don't understand
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: why why fake Hornet's fitty over there cares but Hornets.
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: Bring leitimate pointing to the teck that I'm not a
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: Hornets fan.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: This brings me to the whole Uh if the hornet bone,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Hornets will go seventy two in ten though, and fide
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: will hate him even more, like like twenty fifteen, I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: don't hate the hornet twenty and fifteen panthers fitty. All right,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: let me get to the to where I was trying
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to get here, and what you just said takes us
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to this Jeff Peterson conversation on Andscape with Mark Spear's
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: longtime NBA writer, and it's a very candid Jeff Peterson.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And one of the things he talks about in there
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: is the fan reaction, the angry fan reaction, and he
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: basically said that I don't really go on social media,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: but friends will send me stuff that is being said,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: and he says most of good friends got there. He said,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: most of the time, it's as a joke. It's like,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: hey man, this guy's man.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Whatever, right.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: He then said you can't. He says, you can appreciate
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: others opinions, but if you let it weigh on you,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you will be paralyzed. Basically, he has a job to do.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: He has a vision. He admitted in there, he admitted
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: an oppressor. He knew many of us were going to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: be angry. Of course, right, you had to be dumb
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: not to But he has a vision and he believes
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: you can't ignore the noise bone, you know, which I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: think makes makes a lot of sense.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: It makes me trust him even more that he's got
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: so much conviction in what he's doing and he's not
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: going to do something just to appease the fans for
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the sake of business. He has in his mind a
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: thought for the future, and he's not going off that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I commend him for doing what in his mind he
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: thinks is the right move, and not just doing it
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: because he feels like it's a move that he has
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: to make to appease some faction of the of the fan.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I'll say it again. We've said it before about this
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: situation with Jeff Peterson. What's the old saying bone, you
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: listen to the fans, you'll be sitting with them. Right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: If we had a weenie as a GM that was
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: just like, oh the fans don't lie. I wanted to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: trade LaMelo. Let's not trade them like. I respect the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: fact that they have this plan, and I do believe Fitty,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: they're gonna see it through or we're gonna see if
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: it works.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I do believe it will happen.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: By the way, to Fiddy's point, which real Hornet fan
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: should feel, not a fake Hornets fan like Fitty.
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: But but I really regret taking your trash of the
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: road last week and helping you out while you're on
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: that cruise.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my bad. That was really nice to you.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But to the point bone that Fitty is expressing here
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: right about fans being like we've been patient in this article,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Jeff Peterson acknowledges that he acknowledged and I've never heard
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: really heard him say it like this. He acknowledged that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he understands when we're preaching patients to you this new
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: front office that just got here. He said, he realizes
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that fans have been hearing for ten to fifteen years.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Now be patient, be patient. He understands that. But again, ultimately,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: they have a vision bone for how to do this,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna see it through and we're gonna find
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: out if it works.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Man, I hope it does. When we come back. It's
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: random crap. It's fitting that Taco bells under investigation for
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: that very thing. Carolina Mike made an appearance on America's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Got Talent, and the Bucks are under fire for a
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: social media posts involving a rogue bison. All that had
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: more Sports Radio ninety two seven.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Random crap, random crap. Mac and Boone talk, random crap,
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: random crap, random crap. Mac and Bone talk, random crap, random,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: random crap, random crap, random crap.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: What the deuce?
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Fuck crap, Oh crap.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: We stink like a baby's blowout infested diaper.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: They talk about crap that is random.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: It's the Queen City's favorite morning tandem, Mac and Bone,
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Random crap.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Mac and Bone, thank you for that random craft singers.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: We appreciate that it is Mac and Bone.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: It is time. What a fitting name for the segment.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It is for some random crap and more about this
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Taco Bell parasite situation in just a matter of minutes here, everybody,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: but let's start here with Carolina Mike. This is Carolina
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Mike's morning man. Whether you like him or not, we've
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: already got some complaints. You guys still talking about Carolina Mike.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: What's he gonna go away.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but as of last night, Bone he
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was very far from away. He was on America's Got
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Talent last night on NBC. I had no idea this
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: is happening. You told me yesterday, so I recorded it
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and went back and found this part. I was rooting
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: hard for Carolina Mike. This is Listen to this, this
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is finishing the song, and yes, it'll sound pretty familiar
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: to you. And then you're gonna hear the judges reaction
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: to Carolina Mike's performance.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: All right, your body dreams you can do this.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I love you, America.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Brown loves it, Tony broxing into it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: They do.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I've got to be honest with you. I think after
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: about twenty seconds I'd had enough. It was very enosies.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: Who are you?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Booey you?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And you know why? I think because they probably have
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: too many millions.
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: Oh yes, identified I was fine. Se yes from me,
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: Thank you, mout It's a no for me'side.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I bet you anything that he's gonna be in your ass.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Ud still say.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: They're still saying the crowd absolutely loved him. I met Melby, Yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that's former spice girl Melby. She's the only one that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: voted yes for Carolina Mike, so he obviously had to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: come back to the Carolina's Simon Cow, you knew, you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: knew that he was not going to go well, he.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Was disgusted when he's just some walk out there.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did the whole He looked around like, why
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: if this guy dressed like a ups driver.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Simon Cow that that was gonna be a no
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: dog the whole way. And then how he said no uh.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And then so Via Virgera on her birthday, I think
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: like fifty fourth birthday. She looks like she's twenty four.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: What do you probably Mandel at one point was just
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: staring straight ahead where I don't know if he was
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: even awake.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: It's so cool though.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: The crowd though, Yeah, crowd was so into it, singing, applauding.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: When the judges got on him, you hear them booing
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like he won over the crowd. I just think Simon
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: cal is so heartless. It's so funny. Within seconds of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Carolina Mike wrapping it up and saying, America, follow your dreams,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: love you America, Simon coll just gets on there and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: bludgeons them. I mean, he just bludgeons them. Man. The
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: money throw up, the money throw ended it order. He
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: keep going after that, and he said he kept going
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: after that. That's when the exites came up. What he
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: threw the money in the air. Yeah, yeah, that was
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: earlier in the clip. Yeah that was but he yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: he kept playing and you what you heard was the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: end of the song. Fans going crazy and all that stuff.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I've never watched the show before one time in
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: my life, so I don't even know, like what happened
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: there when the noises came out, But yeah, he kept
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: on going, fat guy, Dave, You're right, Carolina. Mike lives
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Ironically, I forgot about that. He's there with
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: LaMelo now.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's been in Minnesota since he became
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: a star, though he's been.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: He's he's been traveling the world.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: He's been on tour halftime shows, wherever, wherever you find
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: an event, he's there.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Uh seven O five. I did get it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I did get a response from Sheena and Vashti, who
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: have been I think mac on the side of they
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: are tired of Carolina Mike over them, and I sent
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the link to both them this morning just to bother them.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: So we'll see what their response is for those two. Oh,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: they must have loved Simon Coll's comments. Seven O four
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: number says Simon cal is all of us go away, Carolina.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: He's such a nice guy. But it is true, like
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the man needs new material. He keeps promising new material
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and nothing happens on that front.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Come on, Mike, MA, can we clean some up here.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: We'll say you called that Texter fat guy David's fan guide.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my bad, bad Dave. That mob out over there,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: fit Dave. That is Dave, Dave said, fat Guy David.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Is that my name? Oh no, I just misread it. Man,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: old eyes, old eyes.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of LaMelo in Minnesota, how about
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: yes today the pictures of his cyber truck. It's in Minnesota,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: it's on the streets and bone you said that. LeVar
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: said that he will hire a driver. Apparently that driver
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: hasn't gotten to Minnesota yet. Lamello was in the driver's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: seat of the cyber trucke.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: So LaMelo said he hired a driver, and then LeVar
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: said yeah, because they said you've been hitting everybody but
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: yet we did not see when those cyber trucks hit
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: their Roadmack. Do you think all those residents of Minnesota
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: got an award to stay in their homes for.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: The news had to break in? Wamelo is in the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: driver's seat of a cyber truck on our street. Yell,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: oh man, that driver can't get there fast enough, by
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the way, all right, so we keep mentioning Taco Bellbone.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: By now, everybody is familiar with the story of you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: some produce lettuce, among other things, leading to this parasite
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: infecting people bone and then leading.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: To explosive tiree.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I apologize if you're eating breakfast, but this is a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: true serious story going on in America apparently, and my god,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the jokes just write themselves Bone. Federal and state health
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: officials are investigating whether Taco Bell restaurants played a role
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: in the largest US outbreaks of a gastrointestinal illness that
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: is caused by this parasite. Four thousand plus people now
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Bone have been sickened by this, many in the Northwest,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and Taco Bell a few days ago announced that they
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: are taking temporarily like their cilantro their lettuce like a
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: couple of those products. They are taking them out of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: play right now. And now we find out why bony.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: We all should have known that Taco Bell was involved
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: in this Mac. Taco Bell's probably like, yeah, we call
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: some stomach problems, what about it?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: This is news to people.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The twist is though this time it's the lettuce, it's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: not everything else that is causing it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And now the other fast food places Mac, as they
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: tend to do, are now making jokes about Taco Bell.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Arby's tweeted out yesterday. People will say they don't want
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: anything from Arby's, but they're still out there eating wettce.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: So you see where this is headed down.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a funny world fitty where you are
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a healthy eater, I guess right now, because if you
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: don't eat lettuce and some of these other produce vegetable
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: items and you just go and eat like a burt,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like fries and like a burger as long as there's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: no lettuce involved, fitting, you are actually eating healthier than
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the people that are eating some of this healthy per
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Try and eat healthy.
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: My diet should be everybody's north star. Try to eat
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: like me.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: No parasite, Say what you want about Fitty, that man's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: going to be parasite free with his diet. Oh you
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: guys out there trying to eat salads, you're gonna be
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: on the toilet for a while.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's unbelievable.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Anyway, stay safe, stay away from that produce, y'all, at
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: least for a time being. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers Bone
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I really need to follow up to see if this
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: admin their social media admin person and still has a job.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: They put up a tweet using the video of the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: poor guy that got launched by the Bison that went viral,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: like literally like eight to ten feet in the air
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to poor grandpa. Now, apparently he's recovering, he had surgery,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: he's recovering, He's gonna be okay. But they used that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: tweet and basically said something to the effect of flipping
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: for football or something like.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: That, flipping ready for football or something like that.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: And they use they started with him flying in the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: air and then they cut to their wide receiver Tes
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Johnson doing a flip in the end zone. I mean,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny, but I guess they caught some
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: heat Bone because he ended up taking it down.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Some team was probably gonna do it, and the bucks
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: were the first and they tested the waters and found
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: out the reaction was not good. Apparently the guys had
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: a good set to humor about it. Though we've heard
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I guess he's said something or he's he's making jokes
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: about it too the bison. Maybe weekend, then the bison
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: will not be killed for his efforts. They're keeping him ali,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: so maybe they'll be back ah or union someday. Of
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the Bison sitting down and talking to the old man
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: about what you want to see a you know, conversation,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: sit down. I see someone going to sit down interview.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe Tom Renaldi would to sit down interview of those
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: two together. Full Wild wings Back tweeted out that they
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: they're supporting the Bison, but they will not make him
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: available for interviews.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It is one of the craziest viral videos I have
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: seen among all the crazy ones. I mean to see
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: him trying to hide behind the trees and then how
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it looks like it's ai like it's I can't believe
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he flew up that freaking high.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: How about what Ryan Whitney of Spitting Chicklist was saying
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: yesterday about he was telling Paul Businest and the guys
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: that he feels he could outjuke the Bison because of
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: how he used to skate around people in the NHL,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: and they were like, you are, They're crazy? He thought
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: he is. Barry Sanders thought Barry Sanders getting waiting. How
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: he would get away from the Bison.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. First of all, you ain't on skates.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Secondly, I wouldn't even back Barry Sanders to shake and
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: bake his way away.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: From that pison.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: That closing speed was, Oh god, it's size, speed, combination,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: elite all right. Last, but not least, Chris Simms, Folks,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: he doesn't just do it to Bryce Young. He has
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: quarterback takes bone that annoy others too. He put a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: list together Bone of his top ten quarterbacks all time
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: when in their primes? Right, so, how they played at
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: their prime? Who are the top ten quarterbacks? Tom Brady
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: was number nine.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: You know that period Bone where they could not lose.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Apparently eight quarterbacks, though, were better than that stretch of time.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Listen to Chris Simms explain.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Why he certainly had a few years that are awesome
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: and it's prime. I'm certainly not trying to downplay that,
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: but do I think he's capable. And again, if you
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: put him like we talk about in the normal quarterback rankings,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: my top forty, if you put him in some other situations,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it would have looked.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: As pretty that way. Yeah, but regardless, Yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady, all time arm, all time commander on the
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: field and doing stuff like that. Definitely one of those guys.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: And like you said, you could do more with more,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure you could do more with less like
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: you could have some of these guys on this list.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: And that's where I would argue Tom Brady always made
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: comments to people all the time. Again, if Aaron Rodgers
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: played my offense, he'd throw for six thousand yards, So
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: he was aware of that as well, right, And so
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: yeah Brady amazing, but not going to extend plays, needs
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: pass protection and all of that. Not going to do that,
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: no backyard plays really like very few in the history
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: of his whole career, right that way, And so that's
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: where again he was awesome in his prime. But some
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: of these other guys are going to talk about are
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: like one man shows that were you know, overcame unreal
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: obstacles and things and there still were good teams because
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: the guy was so phenomenal.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Mag I will give you three options here. You could
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: spend two hours at Taco Bell, two hours with the Bison,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: or two hours listening to Chris Simms quarterback takes.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Give me the lettuce and give me the Bison. Chris
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Simms right star boat. Oh my god, my stomach hurts
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: listening to Chris Simms.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: There.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't understand what was going on there,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: making it seem like a couple of good years.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Making it seem like Tom Brady was was a byproduct
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: of what was around him, Like he was like a
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: game manager or something.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yea, he might start out that way.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: First title against the Rams was a lot of that,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and then he just took off.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Had that offensive system. Look when Brady left, how did
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it go? I'm not good without him? And then he
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: goes to a different offensive system with a Tampa team
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that wasn't even five hundred the year before, and they
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: win a super Bowl when he goes there.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I only accept that. I only accept the Rams on
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: the game manager thing. The super Bowl against the Panthers
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't exactly a game manager by that point. He was
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: rolling and then he got into the Randy Moss ears
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: was that game managing? That was straight domination?
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: He yes.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: By the way, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen are above
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: him on this of quarterbacks in their primes, didn't I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: haven't won one ring in their primes.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Let alone play in the Super Bowl.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good point. Neither one in the game.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: He's won seven played in ten.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Crazy, absolutely crazy.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And maybe I don't know, Bone, Maybe this is for
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: clicks and attention, and maybe I just fell right into
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: his trap.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: But damn, that's annoying.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: When we come back, the captain of Charlotte FC, actually Westwood,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about the season restarting next week,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: and of course the latest in the World Cup and
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: what's going on there. Sports Radio ninety two seven WFZ.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZ, Mack and Bone
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: with you seven o'clock. Are so nice to have y'all
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: hanging with us, all right, if we argue with you
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: on the text line, it's really nice to have you
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: here with us on this radio show. Coming up top
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: of the hour, eight o'clock, you will hear a clip
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: from NFL Live yesterday Mina Kimes dan Orlowsky praising the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Panthers defense. One of them mentions top five Bone with
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the Panthers defense. Oh my god, I needed a cigarette
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: after hearing that yesterday. Oh that's exciting. But anyway, so
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that, we'll talk about let you hear it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: That's coming up at eight o'clock here on the Mack
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and Bone Show. But right now, what a what a
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: lad our? Next guest is Bone. He's in Austin, Texas,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: right They're an hour behind us. So it's cowboy hat
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and his boots. It's and he's got one of those
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Texas drunk raccoon things that Early Holland brought back from
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: America with them apparently. But no, he's in Austin, Texas,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: where they're going to play a friendly, a scrimmage today
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: against Austin in order to you know, get ready after
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the long break. They come back next Wednesday night, Charlotte
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: f C does at home against Atlanta. So it's six
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: forty five Bone. He's got to play against Austin in
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a few hours and he wants to still be here
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: with his boys.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Matthew Crown. That's what friends do.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: What an amazing lad Ashley Westwood, captain of Charlotte f
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: C is and he's here with us again on a
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Westy Wednesday. West, how you feeling, man, appreciate you coming on?
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Good morning, fellows. We've actually got a meeting at seven,
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: so I was I was getting up. Anyways, it's not
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: just for you. Don't feel harsh.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I bought into I thought.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I thought, oh, this guy, I know, you could have lied,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you could have made us feel good. All right now
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: it makes sense you were forced to be here. It
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: does make sense now, okay. Anyway I was wondering about that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, West, Well, let's talk about the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: big Charlotte f C news of the week before we
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: get into anything else. I know, we got to talk
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: about England's big game today, but let's start with Alan
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Saint maximin Aka actually just an electric player. I mean
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the way he dribbles with the ball and people at
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the bank are gonna get out of their seats, maybe
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: even spill their piers out of excitement. How much are
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you looking forward to playing with him?
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: How?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I mean that's huge considering losing wolf on that left side, right.
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and he's very similar to Wilf. He's very skillful.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Well he is. Yeah, he's he's gonna be excited. He's
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: going be excited. The gas is singing, I'm on radio.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Deana is singing. What's what's he singing in the.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: Background, sing in England song.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Oh man, we're England fancier now today. Get messy out
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of that? Please tell me your your boys are gonna
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: get messy out of this tournament. Please tell me then?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Can they beat the refs and messy? Can they do that?
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: I think we're gonna do it. I think we're gonna
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: do it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Cav and we look at the these guys in the
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: World Cup.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Thea before we were interrupted with Dean Smith ring, I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: got it in the moment there, oh, go ahead, go ahead.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's he's a very talented boy and I was.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: I played against Mit Newcastle and he's a maverick. He's
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: he's going to be exciting and I'm I can't wait
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: to watch him play.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: When we were talking about England a second ago, when
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: you look at the big names cap and in this
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: World Cup we talk about Holland and Ambape and Messy
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: and rightfully so, but how special as Jude Bellingham Ben
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and is he up there for the Golden Ball? Maybe
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: the m VP of this tournament if England keeps progressing on.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: I certainly think he's the best player so far. He
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: tracked us through the last two games on his own.
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: He's and he's thinking him twenty three, which is even
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: it's even scarier. But the way the way he plays
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: is an old school midfielder's box to box. He can
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: do everything. I mean, the game against Mexico's heading balls
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: out and then he's chasing the keeper down. So he's
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: a throwback to what I grew up watching as a midfielder.
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: So it's so refreshing to see you.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Uh what explain to us?
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: You said you think that that y'all are going to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: do it and you're gonna knock out Argentina. I kind
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: of agree with you. There's something about this England team.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: It's not always pretty, but man, they're fighters. But why,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: like tactically, like what what's your what are your explanation
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: for why you think they win this this game and
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: take out the defending champs.
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: Exactly what you said, we can. I think we can
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: do all parts of the game. We can. We can defend.
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: We can be hard to beat, but then we've got
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: we've got too much winners, which I may. The thing
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: with these boys, they won't be scared of playing Mession Argencina.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: These boys will relish it. If they do it, we
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: can week out. They play the biggest teams in the world.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: So these boys will relish it. And I think I'm
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: just good. We're going to be on a flight and
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: miss it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Oh oh that sick? No?
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: No?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Did did the result yesterday surprise you at all that
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Spain beat France or did you kind of think that
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: they they could they could pull that off what they
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: had before against them.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: Uh, it's surprise. I wouldn't say it's a surprise, but
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: I think that listen, France, France didn't surn up. They
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: were they weren't at the best, but Spain or a
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: Spain or a complete team the way they and they're
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: so good on the ball that they're renowned for it,
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: even through all the academies, every academy you go to
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: in Spain, they they're known for being good on the ball.
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: They used the ball well, So it's it's not a surprise.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: But I think if if I was to choose up
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: and see teams for England. I would choose Spain to
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: be in the violin. I think we can beeting. Were
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: too strong for him. So it's coming home?
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Let do you? Oh, it's coming home?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Do you?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: And you and the gaffer want to do a live
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: rendition if it's coming home right here?
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Or that'd be bad luck.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: I think he took it into his breakfast a living.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I can't follow him there. I can't fallow them there.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So Westy next week, you guys, well to you today
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you're down there in Austin and and y'all are playing
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: friendlies because all the MLS sides are going through the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: same thing, right, like trying to get the rust off
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and trying to create game situations. You guys return with
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a bang man next Wednesday night at the bank against
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the rival, you.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Know, the eighty five Darby.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: If you will against Atlanta, how are you going to
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: be chomping at the bit? As much as you love
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: playing the game, you got to be fired up to
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: play that game. No, you know, are you jonesing for it?
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's not. There's not a better way to start
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: than a Darby against arrivals. So it's unfortunately a Wednesday night.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: Idea it would have been Saturday night at the Bank,
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: but no, it's it is what it is, and we're
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: certainly looking forward to it. We've got we've got a
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: game against Boston today, so that would be good to
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: get the legs going. So it's puts us in a
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: position for for next week. We've got a four week
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: of training and after that and listen, hopefully we can
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: we can put in a performance for the fans and
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: and my bubble heads out as well, which is more important.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we are. Well, we got to get some
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: of those here.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: I will, I will hand delivering for you.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Talking Wessy.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: You get to meet uh and get to see next
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Wednesday at the Bank one of our greatest American athletes
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: of all time will be in the house. That's our
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: hot dog King Joey Chesster, me.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: And me and tough for meeting him on Friday training
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: So that should be hilarious. I think we're doing something
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: with him.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Oh honest, see Westy trying to throw down some dogs. Westy,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: is there a particular food that you could like eat
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the way he eats hot dogs?
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Could you is it? Could you win an eating contest
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: with a particular.
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: Food, h English candy or madella.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I knew beer was coming up, yo, I knew that
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: was coming up. That's beautiful. Man, Oh that is freaking hilarious.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: All right, brother, hey man, we always have fun talking
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: to you. We are very excited. World Cup has been amazing,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: but we are very excited to see you guys get
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: out there, especially when MAXI gets on that pitch. It's
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: gonna be fun. And Zorin told us the other day
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: keep your eye out for more additions. So I think
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: people are excited right now for you guys. Well, you
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: do what the gaffer know. I'm gonna send him my
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: soccer resume if he needs me. It ended, and it
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: ended when I was twelve, but there's a lot there
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: on it still cap and I'll thank you very much.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Big transfer, big summer transfer. All right, brother, have a
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: good one down there at Austin. Man, thanks for coming on.
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: Thank you, thanks for having me.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: All right, there you go. That is Ashley Westwood. He
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't know I invented the way behind the wall. Move on,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: free kicks. No, you were ahead of your time, bone,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you were ahead of your time. Now you did it
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: out of sheer exhaust terrifying, but it ended up being
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: a tactical, tactical move years later. Oh, man, I love
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: me some Westy Wednesdays. Man, he's he is a trip man.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: You could you could bring him on not asking one
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: soccer question and I'm not sure and I'm he would
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: have a blast. Yes, like he literally will answer any day.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Any damn about meeting Joey Chessnutt before the training practice
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: takes a week shoot, I forgot to congratulate him on
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the All Star I know y'all did, but I forgot
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: to because that was last week.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah we did that last week.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Man, feel kind of bad, but we were picking up
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: the pieces of a fall in soccer world when you
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: were gone. We talked to Wesley last week. Is Willie
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: p gonna be Joey chest Stunt? I need to know.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I need to know if that's going to be. That
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: should be a video also that's put out there too.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Great food. There's got to be some food two food heroes, sode.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: That's a crossover that needs to happen.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Man, I know who's not gonna meet Joey chest Nutt
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: is one of his biggest haters. That would be Fitty Marwell.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Who I don't hate.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Last week he went off again on the glutton it's
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: disgusting hot dog eating context.
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: You refer to it as a sport and as an athlete,
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: it's it's just a hobby that he has. He's done
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: and he's mastered. There's a hobby that I have mastered.
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't call it a sport. We all have hobbies
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: that we've mastered in the sport.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: If he comes to ask the question Bone, if he
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: comes to the show next week, will you will you
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: address this with mister chessnut. Yes, you will tell him
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: you're not an athlete.
• 46:44
  Speaker 8: I told him, Oh, I forget the wrestler ron killings
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: that that wrestlers on.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: It's not a sport. They're not They're not athletes, they're actors.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: The stuff they do is very athletic, despite the scripted nature,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: is very athletics.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: There're athletic actors. Maybe is the way you would play.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: They do stuff that you can do in a million years.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I love the way Fitty says he does a hobby.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Do you just sit there for leisure and eat seventy
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: hot dogs? That doesn't look like hobby? Hobby and might
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: eat a couple of hot dogs on the porch with
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a cold brew in the summer.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I want to know how many dogs you could put
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: down in a four hour radio program.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, that could get fun.
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, Willie's got a lot of free time,
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: so we could just stand outside by the WBTV patio,
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: bring me hot dogs by the segment.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I'd say ten twelve.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: That sounds like fun right there. When we come back,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I know Mac has been jones in for this segment.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: A national analyst says the Panthers defense could be a
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: top five group. Are we on board for this? You're
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: gonna hear that, we're gonna react. Sports Radio ninety two
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: seven WFNZ