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209 - Running on Empty: Chasing Big Goals While Raising a Family · Getting After It

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  SPEAKER_02: Little countdown.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think we're good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Live?
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  SPEAKER_02: We're live.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_02: This is uh a work in progress, something we've never done before on the show.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_02: And um, both of you, this is uh the first time I've had two guests on at the same time, which is fun.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the other thing is we're starting a new series, which is also fun.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_03: Heck yeah, dude.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we were talking about this a little bit, and my buddies Braden and Jace here.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: We were just talking about like it would be fun to have a little segment where every few weeks or so we get on, we just talk about things that you know we're doing, um running in general, or what's going on in the running world.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but also just have a conversation, have fun together.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: And uh yeah, I mean Jace, how'd you come up with the name?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think I think we need a little explanation on that.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, thanks to Google Gemini.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there we go.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it gave me a it gave me a bunch of options.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: That one I felt like fit running on empty because we're three dads in endurance in the endurance world, just trying to get after it with little sleep and crammed schedules and full-time jobs, and running on empty, you know, we're all runners, but also like this anybody can relate to that if you're a cyclist or in the gym, like running on empty is just still showing up even though you're tired.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, which I mean, you you posted something the other day that like blew my mind that your average sleep for the last year was like five or six hours or something crazy.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like five and a half hours.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: That actually doesn't surprise me too much though, because I'll see his Strava and it's like, oh, I got a run done at 2 15 a.m.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: or it's like you know, I mean, that's the the life of a a nurse, I guess though.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you have crazy hours, but yeah, work and night.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I know that's but it won't last forever.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's fair.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and same thing with like I don't know, I'm kind of in uh I'm in the newborn phase, you know.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, how's your sleep?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's it hasn't been bad.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, little man sleeps pretty good, like he'll sleep uh like a six-hour stretch, which is good.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: But leading up to I don't know, like a week and a half ago, it wasn't like that.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: He'd wake up every three hours or so.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah um, and I was off work, so I was like helping Allie and all that.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh pretty easy to like find time to train after that.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: But then once I got back to work, those first few days I was like, okay, I still like I want to help.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I would wake up, change his diaper after he fed, burp him, and then put him back down.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I was up, you know, every three hours or so, and I looked at my I use Chorus, so I don't know.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's another Garmin type thing, but Garmin gang for life.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: I I saw this and I was like, man, it's so cheap compared to the Garmin stuff.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the price point is really awesome.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um anyways, like my average sleep was oh yeah, the battery's great too.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um my average sleep, I think, was like four to five hours a night.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: Ouch.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it was rough for the first bit, but like I don't know.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I was just adrenalined up.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like first time being a dad, I was I was so pumped.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, I don't care.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I gotta get out there and do do my thing.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um and yeah, like that's one thing.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh next solo podcast is like Jace, you and I have talked about this, like the you just wait people.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um and yeah, they're great, you know.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: They they they paint the world in a very bright picture.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I remember there's this one guy at work, I will not say his name, but we were on a like a company-wide call, and he was like, you know, um, or the CEO was like, Yeah, Brett's having a baby, he's going on leave and everything.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: And he's a runner.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: My CEO is a runner, so like we always he always brings that up to embarrass me.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and this guy on the call goes, Oh, you just wait, like kids disrupt everything.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I hate that.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that is you know what, like I get it, I understand it is gonna disrupt a lot, and it has, but um as soon as he was born, like I've done I did three 50 mile weeks back to back, which I was I was proud of, like you know, I was I'm training for a 50 miler in April, but um that's what the next episode's about is like yes, things change and like schedules do get disrupted, but I don't know.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you guys are also great examples of how no matter what you can find time.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think both of you guys have a crazy run streak, right?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: Mine is dead, but Jace's lives on.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: You um how long was yours though?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_03: How long did it last?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_03: 577.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that is nice.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_03: It was really sad because it was an accident on why it died.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_03: So really, what happened?
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought it was just after Leadville, like you just decided.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_03: I actually it died before Leadville.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it was yeah, it was tragic.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: It was when uh it was when Hayes and I drove out to run uh run Hope Pass before the race to practice it.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: And we just got there too late, and I had banked on we were starting this run at like 10 30 p.m.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so I was just like, oh yeah, my Friday mile is is covered, and then I'm gonna obviously have a huge effort for Saturday, and then I'll just do whatever on Sunday.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_03: But so I'd written off my mile for Friday because I was like, we're starting this, you know, at 10 p.m., 10 30 p.m.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't get to Colorado till five minutes before midnight.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, and since I had written it off, I didn't like I hadn't thought about it, or I would probably would have stopped and pulled over and had Dylan run a mile with me.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: You just gotta do it.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I realized it at 12.06.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: I was uh I was finishing putting on my pack.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: I was putting on my pack, and I had seen my watch, and I was like, I just stopped.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_03: And Dylan was like, Are you okay?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what's up, man?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I just lost my run streak a year and a half.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 577 days, man.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's nuts.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: I it was almost I'm almost grateful now because I I don't think I could have even faked a mile the day after Leadville.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that would have like I think it would have taken away from like you know my kind of pride of finishing the race if I would have like, oh, I gotta kill my run streak.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like so I was kind of like, you know, on a weird angle, I was grateful for it.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's true.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: But I was still bummed to have lost 577 days of effort.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I had just assumed you had like decided, okay, Leadville is my big thing.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just gonna like be done after Leadville, but I didn't know it was that early.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: I was actually waiting for you specifically to call me out on it because I just didn't post anything on Strava.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was waiting for you or Jade to like say something.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's like when is the phone gonna blow up?
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: When's the message gonna be there?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was just distracted with I I remember you did Hope's pass, and I remember reading the description.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: I remember going through your mile stats and looking at all the elevation and stuff.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I didn't put it in that post.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: I just like and then I I actually skipped, I think the Thursday before Leadville.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_03: I had like continued the it started running again, like right after, you know, I kind of restreaked it, and then we just had like something go on on a Thursday, that Thursday before Leadville, and I didn't run, so it was like another day without a run.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: It was kind of weird.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: Man, that's just so used to running all the time, which I think on a different note, like I'm actually really like grateful for the run streak.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: I know there's a lot of you know influencers or like famous runners who kind of like hate on it.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: They say it's bad for you.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I kind of had the opposite experience where I feel like doing a run streak actually like helped me get healthier in running, and it actually built up like you know, some of my tendon issues, some of my joint issues, different muscular issues I'd faced.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like you know, that low impact single mile a day, and it wasn't always that, that was usually like the anomaly was one mile days, but just staying consistent with that, I feel like actually was the thing that beefed my legs up the most.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: Actually made me more healthy and running was doing the run streak.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_03: So like I'm pretty grateful that I started it.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I watched a video yesterday actually of someone hating on it.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, you know what?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_03: I actually I'm pretty proud of it.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't know if I'll do it again just because I feel like I now have that already established, but we'll see.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_03: I like running every day because it keeps me like committed to like, hey, I have to do some kind of workout today.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so it just makes it easier to like stay in that rhythm when you have the streak, like kind of at your back.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, totally makes sense.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I 100% agree.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not very vocal with comments, especially if I disagree with someone online, but I will comment on people's videos if they're hating on the run streak.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: I get it's not for everybody, and I get it's probably not good for new runners because their bodies just, you know, they're not definitely not used to running every day.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: But if you've been running a long time, one 10-minute mile or one slow mile, I've never felt like it has injured me more.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like you said, it gets blood flow moving, it's light on your feet, it's 10 minutes of your day.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and my biggest gripe with the run streak is running when you're sick, actually.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Not even after races.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: Running when you're sick is the absolute worst.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I did some of those, and I was just like, I it I remember the first one where I was really sick, and I I still went and I thankfully I had my treadmill at the time because I if I wouldn't have had a treadmill, I think it would have ended that day because like there was no shot.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: I was my neighborhood's hills, like oh I don't think either well you've been to my house, but my whole neighborhood is just hills, and so like I would not have gone out and ran a hill.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think it would have ended there, and that was only well, that was still maybe nine months in, so still a good amount of time.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: But like I would have dropped it had I not had that treadmill.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, limp on the treadmill.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think I was in my underwear, like just like just gotta get getting through it, you know.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: I've done plenty of got of garment runs.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: But hey, that's the way to do it, you know.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like very easy, yeah.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're aerodynamic at that point.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I yeah, what are the arguments against it?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because I know like I can imagine people are like you get so focused on it, yeah, or like you know, I don't know.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: It I think the biggest one that I hear is overuse, really, which makes sense, like you know, but I think it goes to how are you, you know, what are you doing for your run streak?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: Because even when I had come off um that St.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: George Marathon last year, 2025, and really messed up my Achilles, when I finally did get into C my PT, I told him I had a run streak and I intended to continue it.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, Well, tell me about it, you know, walk me through it.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, Well, for the past like two or three weeks, I've just been doing like a single mile a day because like my Achilles hurts.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and he's like, Oh, like, no problem.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like, if it's just a mile, like that's totally fine.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, We're gonna build you back up so you can do more.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: But having my PT kind of sign off on like a mile a day is not harmful.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, All right, well, forget anybody who hates on it.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: My PT, who I don't know, NDA rules is also the PT for Clayton Young and Connor Mance.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: Oh dang, okay, Tom U Cheney, a bunch of like the really solid Utah runners.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's the elite guys in Utah.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_03: He's their PT.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like he has a pretty good amount of credit.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's he won the St.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: George Marathon in his age group um a few years ago.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's a good runner, elite runner himself.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like he's a beast.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I respect his opinion pretty much.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's fair.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: I can see that too.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Overuse.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I can't remember any glaze.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think he talked about it in his book.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, do you guys read his book?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: Or listen to it at least.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: I listened to it.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like um two chapters.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm two chapters in.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's nuts.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean, side note, didn't know he was on meth when he was 16.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's a crazy story.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: And then he did a like a camp in Utah to like get him out of it.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Or whatever those camps are called.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: But funny, I used to actually work at one of those adolescent places.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Not the wilderness camps that he went to, but all of the, you know, the Paris Hilton drama, all that kind of stuff.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I used to work at one here in Utah as a as a CNA and then a nurse.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: Who's that?
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: There in Syracuse.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: It was when I was in nursing school.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, so what would you have to do?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like just go around and make sure everyone wasn't dying.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so they lived there from like six months to two years.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Kids from 14 to 18.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: They went to school there, they had a boys' dorm, a girls' dorm, but it got all mixed up because everybody identified as different things and they placed them wherever basically they said.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so, um, anyways, and yeah, we gave meds, we did vitals for them and stuff.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the coolest part was they had a recreation team, and I was able to go out with them a lot.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: So we went like mountain biking every summer.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: They did a triathlon and trained up for it.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I was able to like run and bike with them and swim and get paid.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually the only reason I did that first triathlon.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, that's that there it is.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to make that connection of I knew you did that triathlon.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's actually really cool.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you have any cool stories about that?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know, some I assume these are troubled youths that are uh going to this thing and like I don't any redemption stories or anything like that, or is it just bleak?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean a lot of it was bleak.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: We I call it uh Satan's daycare because you get all these really troubled kids from all over the country, and you put them all together.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, in some ways they just feed off of each other and try and one up each other, and um, so they're in a vacuum.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, there is you know one girl, she's living here in I think she was from Texas, but um, she just reached out to me not too long ago.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go get um brunch or something.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: But she's living in Ogden, like doing super well, like so.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I think the success rate was pretty low, but you know, you have stories like Andy Glaze where you know it was a big part of his adolescence, and he clearly remembers it and overcame those things, and now look at him now.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: So he uh from my recollection of the book, recollection, I don't know why I said that weird, but from my recollection of the book, he had a pretty bad experience with most of these.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: I think so, yeah, like adolescent uh camp things, freedom centers.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: It dug him deeper in this whole and he didn't get out until he thought his life was like broken, basically.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I'm pretty sure he went he went to the wilderness camp.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Spoilers, uh Jace.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm sorry about this, but then he goes to like another facility, yeah, back east or something.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think so, yeah.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that one was like really bad.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: That one's rough.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: I won't tell you what happens there, Jace, because you gotta hear it.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very uh pivotal point in the book.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, like he just kind of went down this path until I don't know, he was in college or he tried to take classes.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and um I actually love his story because he was taking like a physical fitness class at his college, and the teacher's like, okay, we're all gonna go uh run a mile, like test our mile time, see what we all get.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: And Andy's like at the time smoking cigarettes, and he's just out of shape, but he's like, Okay, a mile, like that seems like I can do it.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it was a mile and a half, actually.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so he just sprints out the gate at the first lap, and he's like, Oh, like this is easy, and then as soon as he's going into his second lap, he's just starts burning out, like his lungs start yeah flaring up, and he's like, I think I'm dying, but he was just you know, he's never ran.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um and hearing that story of like he couldn't really finish his mile and a half test in in school to where he's like now he runs Leadville, and then the next couple days he's running like another crazy race, like maybe right after doing last soul ultra.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just it's insane, and it's just like such a cool testament to me of like, yeah, I mean, consistency really is the big factor here.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then also he talks about how like running has given him something to um I guess I I can't remember how he said it, but it's it's not an addiction, but it's like a way for him to um I guess like do something hard and mentally like get in a space where he doesn't need to worry about like those things.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember his exact words, but um super cool story.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I don't know.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, to loop that back to where I think we were headed with it was his run streak is a little bit different, whereas he doesn't yeah, he doesn't force it to be every single day, his is like just a week total, and he's kept a hundred miles a week for year three, four something more than that years, like that's a crazy amount of time, yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then like I follow him on social media as I assume a lot of us do.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: This last week he was like kind of getting it in at the buzzer, and like his son was helping him run some of the last miles, and like that was pretty cool.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I can't wait till my boys are a little bit older and they can do more than you know a few feet with me.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: It'll be fun.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's fun watching Andy run with his son.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: When I was at Leadville and got to talk to him, we talked about his kids, and like he he loves that his son like gets to run with them.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: His son, like, because I was asking him, I was like, Well, does he do in like cross country or track or anything like that?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: And Andy said no, he just enjoys running with Andy, and so that's cool.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: I thought that was really neat.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's way cool.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was last year they they actually came out to Salt Lake and ran the marathon together.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Did the Salt Lake Marathon, yeah.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the reasons was because they allowed like miners.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Utah allows winters in their races.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't but I don't know if Cal if that's a rule in California because that's where they're from.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: But um anyways, the video the video was so funny because his son was just a total teenager, like and he's like being all like nice and like pumping him up, and he's just like not saying a word.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like he said, maybe he was 14 when they did the Salt Lake Marathon, so he's probably 15 now.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's insane.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and when I was 14 years old, I was like fat.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was chunky when I was 14.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's sad.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: This kid's running a marathon.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was eating maple bar donuts and microwave pizzas all the time.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, top ramen.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: I think I was eating healthy.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, noodles, it's great for you.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's gotta be good for you.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: Someone was like, There's too much sodium in it, and I was like, I don't know what that means.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I don't know what sodium is.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like my grandpa complains about sodium, but that's all I know about it.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, whatever.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sodium tastes good.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's great.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: What do you get?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: Now I rely on it.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: I sell it now.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: I try to.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, I'm waiting for like a I need like a good bottle.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: And so yeah, I know.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: We have that set on my list.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: We uh the next type of stick packs, but that's uh that's another story.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a long one.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: I have both of you guys' mango pineapples, so yes, dude.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know next time I see you, Jace.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's good, man.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: It tastes really good.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, that's what I'll that's I don't understand.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy because it has you know really good like nutrition facts, like right on par with element, but it doesn't like element is just so salty.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's incredibly salty.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: The taste is just really salty, yeah.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: And like sometimes that's great, like you know, I I do enjoy element, but I think the like the nicest part is like when I'm not like wanting crazy salt, but like or crazy salt taste, but I need like that much sodium, like the good that strawberry lemonade just slaps, like it's so good.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we tried.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: It took like an entire year to develop, but um I think the secret, honestly, this might out us, but well, I think we add more stevia than most.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: So um but I mean it's stevia, so it's like I don't know, it's not gonna kill you.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but smoother for sure, that would make sense.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a fan of stevia and artificial sweeteners, so Oh yeah.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I didn't even know you were yeah, I didn't even know you were doing this.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden I saw like on social media and I was like, What the heck?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's kinda it was kinda like uh yeah, we uh it took so long to develop and then like the manufacturing process took a really long time, and this is a big tangent, so we can Jump back into things, but um it was kind of an interesting time to launch because like uh it's funny.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: There's four co-founders, it's my brother, me, and then my brother-in-law, and then like a family friend who's also like kind of my brother-in-law.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but Drew, who's my brother, he had a baby.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Two weeks later, I had a baby.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Two weeks later, the other guy had a baby.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and then like my brother-in-law, just he's he doesn't have like any kids or anything.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so the first three uh or the first, I guess, six weeks were kind of tough for us to like actually do things because one of us, like my brother, he's in charge of marketing.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of do things in the back end, and then um the other guy's like in charge of all like influencers and and managing with creators and stuff.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: So like there were just gaps of of things that needed to be done.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I mean, that's one thing that fatherhood's taught me is like you have to learn how to adapt, like we talked about in the beginning.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I'd try and spend you know an hour where I could doing things, and um also I think there's a balance because like I told my brother-in-law and my brothers, like, hey, I want to be there for my son, like yeah, I'm not gonna get these three weeks back.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then I'll just like go all in afterwards.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyways, random tangent.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Jace, to your point, it did kind of just show up randomly.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we didn't know like if we should have talked about it, which we probably should have beforehand.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but again, lessons you learn, you know?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, hey, it all works out, but yeah, it's it's been fun, it's been great.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: And um, yeah, I mean, I don't know what the the future of it looks like, but it's cool, man.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you guys can get hooked up now.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's all that's what I'm talking about.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: I need to get you to some events, be at the at the run at the finish line or something, or I talked about that.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we we want to look at like sponsoring some of those things.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I think like the big one if we could, because it's super hot right now, it'd be high rocks.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, yeah, yeah.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Both my my brother-in-law is super into it.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: He like built a gym and everything, and um he says like it helps him with cramping and stuff.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, have you guys done a high rocks?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: Not yet.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm debating on doing one in February, or I think it's March actually, Vegas.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_03: The Vegas one, okay.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, nice.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have I wanted to do Salt Lake, but um all like the uh main entries were sold out, and they just had like the charity ones that were super expensive.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe I'll do Salt Lake this next year.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: It looks fun.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it was uh I mean I did one, I did the Vegas one, yeah, um, which was super fun, but I had dropped out after the sled pulse, which is like the third activity because I woke up with a flu that day and I was like, I gotta do something.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: Brutal and brutal, yeah.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: It was rough, and like my wife was I think like four weeks pregnant.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and so we're like, yeah, like let's just go, we'll just have fun.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, she's like, I don't want to hurt myself or the kid.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but like the environment is it's it's like a it's like you're at a rave, and it's a race rave, is what it felt like because like you just hear music and it's hilarious because like at the very beginning, they played the song bulletproof when you're in this like little tent thing to hype you up, and then some guy is like giving you a speech.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think I've said it on the podcast, but he I love it, and it always is worth a second, you know, telling.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: But the guy's like, Life has kicked your ass so many times that it's time for you to kick life's ass and like just scream into a microphone and it's like the cheesiest, cheesiest um pump up talk ever, but it was like it was hilarious, and then everyone just goes and the energy is super high.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know, I feel like you guys would do well because endurance is like the biggest thing.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, um the my my main reason for wanting to do it is I feel like you know, uh hybrid stuff aside, I just feel like it forces you to lift a lot, yeah.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: And like I, you know, I go through periods where I'm really disciplined, really good at lifting, and then other periods where I just garbage, just don't lift at all.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like I want to get one on the books so that I because as soon as I sign up for something, it's like I have it locked and I'm like, okay, go chase.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, I can lock in on my training, but if I'm not signed up for it, I struggle to like really lock in and train for stuff.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: So I want to like sign up for this Vegas High Rocks just so I lock in on like my lifting, yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because lifting is just so crucial and running, like so crucial.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do you guys know who Sally McRae is?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's like she talks about that so much as like lifting to help her be an ultra marathoner.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, and I have noticed a significant difference, and I don't know if you guys have either, but like if I don't do lifts um with my legs specifically, like I feel like I get injured more.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know if you guys feel the same, but like I don't it's weird, and I'm sure it just has something to do with like strengthening your tendons and everything and uh having them be under stress, but yeah, the body's crazy.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't understand.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: I want to hear I want to hear Jace's opinion on this because yeah, homeboy didn't do like any strength training for his entire Ogden marathon here.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you said that on the down at sick PR.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: So it I had really similar um marathon builds for 25 and 26, both 16 weeks, both for the Ogden marathon, same amount of 20 mile runs.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: But this last this year I didn't do any lifting like at all.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't have time.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: We had our daughter, our second kid in February, and like all my we moved, so all my focus was just to the miles.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I I was talking to Braden, and I was like, I think that's like if anything, that's gonna be what goes wrong at the race.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I at like mile 18, I could feel my legs already like starting to quiver a little bit, and luckily no cramps, but it was definitely my leg muscles that held me back.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so you think you would have had more of a PR, an even better PR?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Had you lifted the whole time?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I was three minutes and 48 seconds off what I was training for, and I significantly slowed down, you know, the last eight miles.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so, whereas the year before, you know, it was my aerobic system that was holding me back, not my leg muscles.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that's crazy though, because I mean, what was your finishing time?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: It was uh two fifty-three, forty one.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and you were going for a 250.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man, that's so crazy.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like three minutes is that's so hard to get like at that speed, man.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's so that's impressive, though.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, man, I wish I got a time like that.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's so fast.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Braden's trying to convince me to sign up for Ogden.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think I probably am, dude.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I'm telling him, Ogden is like one of the best marathons.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it is so clever.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: The support is beautiful.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'll do it every year.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what's the date?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: What's the date on the it's the third weekend of May?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, third weekend.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I think you have enough time to bounce.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you'd be close, but you could my 50 miles on the on the 50, you'd probably be just fine.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think it'd be okay.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I probably wouldn't go for speed.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I probably wouldn't go for speed, but like which go have fun for a first Ogden.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, just yeah, that's fair party race it.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Go have fun, yeah.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing, it's like hard for me sometimes.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you guys get this way, but like when I go out for runs, especially if it's a race, I feel like I just have to go all out.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: And if I don't, and like for some reason something like happens and I'm like slower than I anticipated.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, man, I I suck at running.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like I really struggle to like not try to push.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's hard, it really is hard.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, like that high rocks is a good example because my wife's like, just do what you can, like, we'll just walk if we need to.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, no, we're here, like I'm gonna run in between them.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: And then at the end, I was like, after the sled poles, it's like I'm gonna pass out.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I was super white, and my wife's like, okay, we're done.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I don't know.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like that's it's a two-edged sword, double-edged sword, as they say.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's tough, it's a hard balance for sure.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, I've always had a hard time with that too.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Even with this, I ran a 50k a couple weeks, uh week and a half ago, and I had found out I had just gotten into Boston, and so I was like, Well, do I want to empty the tank when I know I'm not even gonna be doing trails here in the near future?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go back to the roads, and I like literally the whole during the race, I'm like, no, hold back, like you don't want to injure yourself, but like you're in a race and you're on the trails, and it's beautiful out here, so you might as well just push and like yeah.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm surprised you didn't push just enough to edge out Jackson.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's the first race he's beaten me in.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: I was shocked when he came across the line.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was just like, no way.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: Because I don't have like Bryce, too.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like I have your location, so I was watching you come in.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: So I wasn't even expecting Jackson because in my head I was just like, Oh yeah, Jace is gonna wipe the floor with him.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_03: But no, dude, little brother comes strolling across the line, and I was just like, What?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_02: How was that 50k?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: It looked insane, it looked cool, it was awesome.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: The weather was perfect, it was like cloudy with some sprinkling, the course is great.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's another one I think I want to do every year because it's like literally in like my backyard, it's like a 10-minute drive from my house, and it's local.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think it's gonna get bigger and bigger now that it's ran by um like a new company.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm super excited for it.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's like a 50k.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I only did like maybe a month of dedicated work for it, and so that's like something I could probably do, you know, every year, even if I'm on the roads.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like elevation, what was it on on that course?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: Is it pretty significant or not?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think like 3,600 feet, which is pretty tame.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: Not negligible, but not crazy.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: It sounded like there's a couple pretty good climbs on that kind of the back section.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the first like 11 miles are basically like flat.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some little rolling hills.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think we had like 400 feet in the first 11 miles, and then it's like straight into like a thousand-foot climb over like two miles.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, good course, super beautiful.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, Antelope Island State Park.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, did you see any buffalo that time?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: I saw two in the morning.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: I guess they were some out where the leaders were at.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like the winner, he in his race video recap.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: I guess somebody got charged, the second place person, or the guy on the bike got charged or something.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: But um that's terrifying.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Did you guys see that video of the Yellowstone guy?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the poor old man who just gets destroyed by the bison, yeah, you guys blung up.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: I have a video on my phone, I'll have to like put it up in the middle of this.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's like we went to Yellowstone Park alley, and then like a group of friends, and we're in the car, and this group of bison is like on the road blocking everyone, and they're just walking down the road, like they don't care about anything.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so my buddy rolls down his window and he's holding his phone out, and I don't know what happened, but he spooked the the bison, and then it just like had its kid with it, and then they both just like took off so fast, like three feet from the car, and I was like, it's gonna it's gonna ram the car, like we're done.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: But then they just sprinted away, and it was it was scary, those things are huge.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, I'm glad you didn't get attacked by that.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, me too.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a guy died out there a couple years a while a couple years ago.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: He was trail running alone, and he got attacked, and I think there were two lady hikers that like heard someone screaming, and they went up, found him.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: He got lifelied into the hospital and ended up dying.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_03: What completely this was probably eight years ago.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was like local too, Davis County.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, yeah, that's haunting.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: That would be so scary.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: Did you run into because you did some training runs out there?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: Did you run into any?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: Did you ever have a like a scary encounter?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like uh almost I every run I've done out there, I've seen them.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And one time, you know, I parked and went up the big climb, and then by the time I came back, they were just like hundreds where I was going.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I had to like cut down, and then I went over this little hill and I realized like they're all the way basically to the coastline.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: So then I had to go way up way back all the way up, way around them.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as long as as long as you keep your distance, um, pretty tame.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Man, yeah, that actually I have a question for both of you guys.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's your scariest running experience?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because my wife and I, we always talk about like I run up in these mountains, like right behind the house, which is it's like Corner Canyon.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and there's people like in my church who are always like, There's tons of mountain lions.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: We saw one this week, like they always send it in like a group chat, like, oh, we saw a mountain lion.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so we're always like we would never know if if a mountain lion was coming after us, um, and like it would just pounce on us.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I don't know, do you guys have any like scary running stories?
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: It could be road or or uh yeah, nothing like super crazy.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think mine was probably this last summer.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: I was doing a lot of trails up in Pleasant Grove, like uh Grove Creek or Grove, yeah, Grove Creek and Battle Creek and Dry Canyon.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: I was running up those quite a bit.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: And one time I was doing a loop from Battle Creek over to Grove Creek, it's like eight miles or so, but it's got like a ton of elevation up and down.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I was going up the Battle Creek side, and it's really steep, like the Battle Creek side is way steeper going up, and so I'm like I'm cooked, which you know, like starts to do things to your awareness and whatnot.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I felt like I saw like this movement out of the corner of my eye, and so I like blinked hard, and sure enough, there's this like huge snake, and it just rips like really right across the trail.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just like, ah, like I like scream, I like screamed and freaked out a little bit.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I I can't remember, I don't know what kind of snake it was.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't a rattlesnake, I knew it didn't have the the thing on the back, but I'm not an expert with snakes, but it was like it was fairly decent size, and so I like was kind of freaked out, and I crossed this river and I go up, and immediately, like you know, 50 yards later, I thought it was a stick, and then the stick like starts moving down the trail at me, and so I like jump out of the way again.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, this thing's falling me.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to be kidding me.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: So then I'm just like on super high alert.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I there was nothing else the rest of the time, but I was just like snakes back to back within like 50 yards of the trail, just scared the crap out of me.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's like these little baby snakes, they're so skinny, just out there.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they always just lay in the middle of the trail because they're you know, they're cold and just bushes everywhere.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then as soon as you run up to them, they just dart into the the bushes.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: But they're so small and like they just freak me out.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, I thought that was a stick, like spooks me.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_03: Both of these were big, which is what I think what caught me the most off guard.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like I've seen snakes in our mountains, but they're usually you know, either the little bitty ones or they're like you know, these little two, maybe three foot even.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_03: These guys were like big, like they were like thick.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: That was terrifying.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that is that is spooky.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like snakes.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_03: What have you gotten into anything?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, no, nothing real scary.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I run a lot of like I should probably be maybe a little more self-aware.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like sometimes on Antelope Island, I'll have my like inner ear headphones just like blasting music.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm all alone out there, or it'll be like mid- you know, middle of the night, right?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Just running on the roads.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I don't I I have like sidewalks and trails everywhere I'm at, and so even at night I won't bring a headline, and so I don't know.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: I should probably be a little yeah, yeah.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Chase, you gotta you gotta take care of yourself, man.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's spooky.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: You ever been like almost hit by cars?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, no, I haven't had any close calls.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I said, I'm always on the sidewalk, or we have a really good trail system up here, and so yeah, I still I almost get nuked on the sidewalk all the time.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like when a sidewalk like crosses like a a drive exit or something like that, I've almost been blitzed so many times, and so it's like I've had to become hyper aware because yeah, most of the time it's it's someone who's looking like the direction that they're you know that they're expecting cars to be, and they're not expecting me to like be running up on them.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's true, and so I knew I yeah, sometimes I'm really good and I'm like, okay, that person is looking the other way.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna like either run around the back of their car, wait till we make eye contact, but sometimes I like forget, and so I go and run in front of them, and then all of a sudden it's like they're now an inch off me, and I'm like, oh shoot.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I totally get that.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I um surprisingly haven't had it too much in Utah because they're like there's great running trails like close by and things, but in Arizona when I'm there, um usually I'll start my run at like the house, run down the sidewalk, and then it gets to the point of where like I have to cross an intersection to run the canal because like the canal just goes.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: And um, there was this one time I like I stopped, there's a car stopped turning, like waiting to turn right, and then the like the the sign changed for the walking guy, and so I was like, Okay, I'm good.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so I start running, and as soon as I start running, like I'm right here, and then the car starts going and like blocks me off, and I got so mad, like I wanted to kick his car so bad, and I was like, You were literally stopped, and like you didn't see me.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'm super pasty white.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, come on, like I'm I'm basically wearing a vest here.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, no, it's scary.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: You do have to be vigilant, which is nuts.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and anyways, I I have to ask that because I'm always curious.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Mountain lines are thinking of my scariest.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's my or the my biggest fear.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't know if I've told the story on the podcast, but it does not at all um do anything with running, but I gotta tell it.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think I might have.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but like 4th of July weekend, my wife and I went camping up in Logan.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I can't remember what canyon it was.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was called like Left Fork or something like that.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: And we drove probably 20 miles into the mountain, so it was like no one was around.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_02: We're in my wife's Volkswagen, and uh it's a Volkswagen Taus, so it's like a tiny little SUV.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: And it the the road we're on is meant for like a four by four, like a huge truck or a Jeep, like and so we're just bouncing around in this thing, and we keep coming to these like little areas where their break-offs.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I can't remember what they are, but they're like public land campsites basically.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we go to one and we're like we can't find it, and so like, or it's it's there's people there, and so we just have to keep going.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: It gets to the point of like we're like, okay, we're gonna take whatever spot we get next.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so we found this place.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, long story short, we set up our tent in like this little area that was like perfect.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, there was bushes on each side, like fit our tent perfectly.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: There's big trees.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, looking back now, I think it was a bad idea because like that night we're in the tent and at like two in the morning, like my wife starts shaking me, and I'm like, what?
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: And she goes, like, stop talking.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, There's something outside.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I kept thinking she was saying there was someone outside.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Someone, that is creepy.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, it's two in the morning.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have to fight someone and I might die.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then she goes, There's something outside, and then she said that like she was woken up by just a deep, like, breathing sound, and then like a growl um right next to her ear.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_02: So like this thing came up and like sniffed, and then um went over to me and did the same thing while I was asleep.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: And turns out, like, we we did research afterwards is to try and find out like what sound it was.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't a bear, like we think 95% sure it was a mountain lion.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we were in its where it would sleep, like in its bedding area, because like the area was padded down, like it was all these bushes, but there was like it looked like a bed, um, and that's where.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: we put our tent and so I think this came this little cat came up at nighttime and it was pissed off that we took its its uh its bed um yeah but yeah that's way sketchy though so after that we got guns and uh there we go there you go anyways not at all related to running no that's awesome though felt like I had to tell it because we're talking about animals so dude I'm it's talking about Mark Dowdle dude yes yeah we gotta talk about Mark USA dude who wants to jump into that yeah that's way to what represent like it's crazy that like as a country we lost but like Mark no we're ahead right now I thought Belgium was still in it but they're but they're like let's see they're they're laps behind us wait yeah they're oh frick okay okay we got it we got it two yards behind us oh so those two guys still need to run for like 48 more for like over 40 more hours okay so we still have a pretty solid shot at gold at winning this thing yeah so yeah how it's structured is it's the world championships and what's the event so people know it's the Backyard Ultra World Championships so each country gets 15 runners and they stay in their own country they get to pick their own course it's like a 4.1 mile loop and it's a point system so instead of like a regular backyard ultra where you're running next to your opponents you're running with your team so the dynamic's a little different with like um you know you're you want all 15 of your guy your people to finish more laps because you get a point for each one um so the US is out uh Mark Dattle won it with like what did he win 90 or 100 and he's well over a hundred yeah Belgium's at 110 hours we're talking about right or laps days yeah well yeah so um a lap and an hour is effectively the same thing yeah but yeah they're counting it in in laps as they're scoring but yeah lap mark what 400 and something miles yeah that is nuts I could find our I mean I know it's it's nothing the course he's running is nothing like Leadville but like imagine you have to run three more Leadville distances after that like insane i i can't fathom it like this mark guy and I'll I'll be honest like I I learned about him maybe a year and a half ago um I think at the the BPN ultra or the the go one more ultras like when I first learned about this guy and I was like blown away I I he was his number was in the 300s at that specific ultra but it's unbelievable what this guy can do like 400 miles and how long was that do you guys know like over a time frame uh four full days and some change oh man yeah so before so he ran 107 yards this one before his his PR was like 94 I think like something like that.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and that was in Germany right yeah also with this dynamic he can't run anymore after the second place person drops or doesn't make a bat yeah so if he would have if maybe if the US had a stronger you know second runner he could have kept going and going and going but you honestly need a second person to break these records with because I think the world record is like 119 laps is that that's is that Phil Gors yeah yeah oh my gosh so you know 12 more yards yeah what are the uh what are the main countries in that you said Belgium's one Belgium's still in I think Japan is officially third yep well so no so United States one Australia two Japan three Belgium four okay yeah I guess Australia does have uh Neil Neil uh Brockman is that his name you guys know who I'm talking about oh yeah Ned Ned yeah yeah yeah except I don't think he competed in this one oh really okay yeah neither did Phil Gore hmm yeah man that's but they only do this every four years like the team it's like the Olympics yeah I mean yeah yeah it's crazy though after you do it you probably need four years to fully recover but I guess not because Mark's out there doing this all he just did last soul was what August the first yeah second week of August and now it's oh my gosh and he was saying how difficult this one is because he feels like his body is still recovering like he was saying that like yard 10 he was already like having struggles 10 hours in and he goes and runs a hundred four more days it's like a whatever that's one thing that I love that he talks about though is he's like you your mind is stronger than your body is yeah it was a what is the quote like every step is uh proving to proving that the story in your mind is incorrect or something like that.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah something like that I love that it's so it's like super powerful you're writing your story with like every step.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah it's huge.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's such a good mindset.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Did you see the clip of him they're like counting down and he barely makes it back across the finish line he's like stumbling yeah he's like stumbling gets his water and then has to go right back out that was like you know I think right like 10 laps before you know he got done so he was like at a point where he was barely making it back and then he got it together and just kept going like some people were speculating like oh is he playing mind games or something but like watching the live and stuff I was like I I think he's just you know feeling 400 miles on his legs.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like it seems authentic I don't think he's playing mind games with is it John Knoll is that our that's the other guy right John yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't think he's playing mind games with him because like they both want to keep going for USA and so I think he just you know he was finally showing some signs of being human and like a little bit of struggle but then he like you know pulls himself all the way back out and like takes off on like the next lap and it's it's just it's so impressive.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: His mindset has got to be studied like it's so impressive to me.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh for sure like Goggins obviously is is unreal I think a lot of people like think about when they think about like someone who has a really tough mind they think of Goggins.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I think just because like he's very I don't know trendy on social media a lot of people know him and his story is amazing.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah don't get me wrong he knows how to push himself but this Mark Dowdle guy is just unbelievable in terms of like unlocking that next like okay yeah like you said I'm I'm coming in a minute right before I got to start another 4.1 miles I'm gonna keep going like I can negotiate with myself.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's insane he does need to be studied because like whatever he's doing hey it's it's impressive to me because it's like I I feel like him and Goggins share like a similar mindset just on opposite kind of ends of like the spectrum for it.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because Mark is like you know very you know kind of extroverted and like goofy with it whereas Goggins is you know it's like a hard line very stoic very serious yeah but they both have that same like just super intense mindset to push through when things really suck.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah I I love both of them for the way that their personalities are because it's like sometimes I need to be stoic and serious and locked in and other times it's like I need to be goofy and still be pushing forward.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like I've been in races where it's like I literally throw my hands up and like I probably look like an idiot but I just need to like goof for a second to like relieve some pressure and like keep moving forward.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah no I totally get that um I think yeah it's it is kind of fun to think about like the different um I guess not modes but like different phases of my running journey because like there's definitely been times and I think I'm I talked to Jace about this uh on a other podcast but like there's been times where yeah like I have to activate the Goggins thing but I think that like after a while after I was like you said like so stoic and so focused and and um it got to the point to where like I started not enjoying the thing that I was doing.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah like it's it I don't know when you go and you do something and you criticize every little thing that you're doing wrong and like you're not focusing on hey I at least like got out there and did it and I push myself and I feel like I'm a better person for it.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like yeah like you said like there's times for both and um that's kind of what Jason I said on on his last podcast was like yeah there there is times for both like sometimes when you you're feeling like you're just being a baby yeah you got to lock into goggons or like if you feel like you're just dying and you know you're still moving forward maybe you can laugh a little bit.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think there's there's power in in both sides of that coin.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah for sure being able to lock in hard be able to be goofy with it as long as you know both are moving in a in the direction you want to go I guess.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah for sure direction is best I think I think the the the Goggins movement is kind of dying down a little bit because people realize like you can't be you can't live your life like that every day.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: A person like Mark Dowdle that is focusing on himself and his wife and making their life better together like that's just a more natural better way to live throughout your life and so I think like you guys are saying um being like Goggins having it a switch in your brain is great but living like that all the time every day just is not I don't think healthy.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and it's hard like it's unbelievably hard and I don't know I mean he's built different he's also a Navy SEAL yeah and I don't think most people are navy SEALs.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: So like you know I there there's a good balance but um that actually brings like up a question I would love to hear from you guys.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a first time dad myself six weeks into this thing um how do you guys balance like training for big things because I'm sure like Leadville took a lot of training and Jace like training for your 250 or 253 like I know that took a lot of training um how do you guys balance that like how do you make time for both still hit your goals yeah you want to roll first um like we mentioned before I don't get a ton of sleep part of that is because I work nights as a nurse so my schedule's all over the place.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then two you really have to focus and use your time wisely because we only have a certain amount of hours in the day I know a certain amount of hours are going to be working certain amount of hours are going to be with my family.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I only have this amount of time to work out I can't just be sitting on my phone you know because I've got to get that workout in.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then like Brett and I we talked communication as well with your spouse is huge and kind of setting up your schedule to win.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's been the biggest thing for me is like talking to my wife being like hey I'm gonna go to the gym in the morning and then I come back I take the kid um so she can sleep and just like I give her some time but um communication's huge that's what I've learned so far is like you gotta be open you got to tell them your plan but then you also gotta like I've learned because my wife is big into fitness too I'm like hey how do you want to do this?
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like how can I support your goals um I think it goes both ways.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah I mean that's definitely something I'm learning um and then the fatigue piece.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_02: But anyways we can get into that I have more questions after you go.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I think um what Jay said about just utilizing time properly is a big one.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think one of the biggest breakthroughs for me was realizing that like it was appropriate to use my lunch break at work to work out.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why I hadn't like thought of it in the past and then one day I just like brought my shoes and ran for lunch and you know kind of felt the vibe when I got back and it's like yeah that's super chill like it's your hour to go do whatever you want.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like perfect I'm gonna keep doing that.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_03: So that's been like for me and like my job that's been like my biggest training saving grace is like I pretty consistently every single day I'm ripping an hour of something you know cycling running today I did a run I ran to the gym worked out my legs and then ran back to work and it's like I can utilize that hour really well and then another thing um that I was that I also realized is Utah County traffic sucks.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_03: That wasn't a new realization but because it sucks so bad um it takes me like literally more than twice as long to get home as it does to get to work.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: And so what I'd realized over the summer was I can actually if I just work out after work then by the time I'm done working out like traffic's chilled out.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_03: No so I'm still I still that still puts me home a touch later but not a ton you know not like a super meaningful amount later and now I've had a big workout instead of just sitting in traffic.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah and so that was just kind of like one of those where can I utilize time the best and then just prioritizing okay if it's if we're super busy this week it's like I need to get to bed earlier.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna get up and get it done in the morning um and then yeah communications the end all be all especially a wife and kids and stuff and Lindsay and I really had to communicate with Ladville because I was just like I'm gonna need your help.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna do everything I can here let's you know not make it too overburdening.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of Saturday mornings it's like I want to sleep in on a Saturday but you know get up early instead and get the workout done and have it not impact what we're doing as a family on Saturday or Sunday or you know over the weekend.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so just really utilizing time and I think you know circling back to the run streak I think that opened my eyes a lot to like you know you can make a one mile workout also pretty impactful if you need to right like if I don't have any any time that day there's always 10 minutes.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_03: You can always find 10 minutes and it's like I can I can make myself really tired in 10 minutes.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_03: And so even if it's not running I can squeeze something in and the run streak was one of those things that like kind of opened my eyes to you know can really utilize time better.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to make it this big commitment of like it's gonna take forever it's gonna you know impact this impact that it's like I can just utilize this small chunk of time have an impactful workout on the body and be right back into family life and stuff.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_02: So that's huge.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm learning the same thing like time is incredibly valuable.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: I hear people say that all the time like well before I had a kid and everyone's like yeah time's so valuable you got to treat it like it's it's the most precious resource and I've always like agreed with that like I'm like yeah that makes sense but then after having my son I'm sure it'll happen like the more kids we have like I've realized like oh that is a hundred percent my most valuable resource because like if I work out in the morning and then like I have a good day at work then like I have you know maybe three hours with my family at the end of the day.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: And you know if I if I miss it in the morning like I'm potentially saying like okay well I still need to work out and then like that makes that time with my family shorter.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you have to be very intentional with your time.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what's been the biggest help for me is just like intention like making sure like okay am I doing this what's the reason why I'm doing this and like is it necessary for me?
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it is because um you guys might feel the same way but like I I believe like because I'm able to exercise like I'm in a better mental state where I can show up for my family better.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because I like work is stressful life is stressful and it's my outlet where like I'm able just to kind of forget about everything and just focus on one task which is usually you know either lifting something or putting one foot in front of the other other a lot like many times.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: And um like no shame on my parents like I love them.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was raised fantastic but like they weren't out running a lot and you know I I I still admire them unbelievably so like they are my heroes but um like I I don't know I just think it's something like on top of working and doing all these things for your family trying to attain a big goal and showing like your kids and your wife like what it takes to actually get there I think is a big thing.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's become one of the reasons why I want to do these big challenges and I would love to hear what you guys like what keeps you going to continue chasing like you know Leadville or an Iron Man or Jace like what makes you want to be like okay I'm going to Boston I'm gonna go as fast as I can what's behind that?
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because I've heard a few things like there's some people who will say oh yeah you know I don't want to be an ordinary person.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be different and the there's other people who say like it makes me a better person.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_02: So like those obviously aren't the two only options but like I'd love to hear from you guys.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know part of that is selfish but like you were saying at the end there you know it's making me a better person.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's making me achieve these goals and grow and at the same time you know that makes me a better dad makes me better husband and it shows my wife and kids that you know I'm you know a hard worker and you know I set goals and want to achieve these things.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah what about you I yeah I the example my parents set was great like kind of how you were saying in a lot of regards and you know I'm not gonna critique their parenting or what they did because it's you know it's wild it's the wild west that's parenting and raising kids and just getting by and so they did a lot of great things.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_03: Fitness was never one of their things and I watched um I watched some of the impact that had on them you know in a negative way of you know being overweight and the issues that come with that being you know unhealthy and the medical issues that come with that and you know just different things.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I knew I at least knew from that example that was not what I wanted.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know I'm you know they is again it's not a judgment it's just I knew that's not yeah what I wanted for myself and it wasn't the example I wanted my kids to see.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I had I had known that before I had kids but even you know having my first one back in that was the very the tail end of 2019 um I was still not doing I was like kind of in the gym but I was not like in shape or like fit by any means.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_03: It really wasn't until like 2024 or the end of 2023 where I really started getting into it.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I I think it's made me a better father.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's hard to quantify that I guess but that's fair I feel like it has and I it's given me this desire to like push myself to see also just what I'm capable of.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know um and I think part of that is like from reading Goggins is that he's he's on that all the time.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_03: I want to see how far I can push myself yeah and I I don't necessarily have it that same level but I it is something that truly interests me.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know you know what am I capable of and granted if we're talking about just objective performance I'm I'm behind the eight ball or we're old now.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm old now at least you're still a kid but I'm old now and so it's like the prime is is more or less past to be an Olympian or something like that.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know and so that's that's not any of my concern I just want to see like what it is I can push myself to you know is that Sub three hour marathon, or is it a 200-mile race?
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know yet what where I want it to go, but I know I want my kids to see me along the way.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, they came up and both of them gave me a huge hug after Leadville.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_03: I think I have that in my little social media video that I made for Leadville.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_03: But my boys coming up to me is like very impactful.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_03: I love when they can see me finish a hard effort.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_03: Whether they understand what it is or not is you know relatively irrelevant.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it doesn't matter.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't they probably couldn't discern the difference between the hundred-mile race and then coming to the finish line at the Ogden Marathon.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like to them, it's just dad finishing a race, he's got a cool medal now.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like but they see me and a bell buck, yes.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_03: But they see me like finish it.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: That I don't want them to see me like get picked up on the side of the road or you know, come back on the shuttle or something like that.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_03: I want them to know like dad's gonna push through it and he's gonna finish that.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and hopefully that rubs off on them in a way that they can understand that they're able to do hard things.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's that's really what it's about is I want them to just have a mindset and understanding that like they can accomplish, they can do hard things because life is hard.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, maybe it's easy for you guys, but life tough life's freaking hard, yeah, in my opinion.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just I want them to be able to have some of the tools, just mental tools of like, oh yeah, I can I can push through that, I can push through this, especially as they like get more and more into sports, they're really liking you know, playing certain sports right now.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's like, hey, well, to get better, because you you know, they're starting to think about like best on the team type stuff.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, that's great, let's think about that.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_03: Here's how we get there.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_03: We gotta work, we gotta put in some time, and you know, we're six years old, so that's yeah, it's being taken with a huge grain of salt, right?
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like that I want them to understand, like, hey, if you want to be good at sports, it's not going to be easy, but you can push through it and you can get better, you can improve.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_03: Look at you know, and I can always all be able to share my examples.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_03: Look where my marathon time was, look where it is now, or look where I could only do a marathon, then I could do a hundred miles, and then I could, you know, it's like want to show them, have that in the bag ready to go of like you can do this, because I I feel so average and ordinary as like a human, and so it's like if I can do any of it, so can you like period?
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you can do this because I'm as average as it gets, and like so.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_03: If I can get it done, you can get it done.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_03: My kids will hopefully see that and be able to get it done as well.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's like a big sorry, that was a long answer to me.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_02: But like so, I feel pumped up just listening to that, like seriously, and like I gotta jump in real quick.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_02: You are not average, like the fact that finished Leadville and all these other races and stuff, like takes grit and discipline and drive and like commitment, and like it's all hard.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I think like you said, life is hard.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and um I use these races and the these things that I try and push myself with to kind of help me train for those hard moments in life.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because, like you said, like I if I know I can you know get a sub-three marathon or uh in April finish this 50-mile race, um, where there's times and I feel like every race has these where you have great peaks and then the lowest of lows, and then just back up and down again.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um if I know I can get out of that valley and then back to the top and then somehow finish and like just keep being consistent with putting my feet in front of the other in like for a long time.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I know I can you know do hard things like when um say I lose my job, like what would I do?
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's gonna be the same kind of thing, but with job applications, like every day I'm sending them, or um you know, if a business fails, like good nutrition goes under or whatever it is, it's like okay, great.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_02: I've learned from this.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_02: If I want to start another one, like I can apply these lessons.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I don't know, I feel like it's just a great way to train for life, honestly.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, especially when you're in the training piece, too, because the races obviously that's the pinnacle, that's the fun part.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but leading up to it, that's like where it's like no one's out there giving you a medal, no one's cheering you on with the cowbells or anything like that.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it's just you most of the times, and um it's a very honest time too, because like you can't fake it.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you can't fake training like Jace, you're out there running 20 miles prepping for the 50k.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: You can't fake that.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like that is that's real, and I feel like it just gets you ready for the actual thing.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, it's life.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of different things that I feel like running teaches us, which is why we started this series.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's awesome.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, heck yeah, dude.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna say, Braden, we're not average because only because we work hard and dedicate ourselves.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I love that message.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the message is great, honestly.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_02: That was that's gonna be the promo for the podcast.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta start doing promos.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, what's the data?
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Or like I can't remember what it says, but the percentage of people in the entire world who run a marathon, I think, is like one percent.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like nothing, yeah.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then the percentage of people who run a sub three marathon, I think, is like 0.01%.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's just nuts.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like it is that's not average, just let you know.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_02: And then I don't know how many people have finished Leadville and tried.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so there you go.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_03: Not average.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_03: I just yeah, and I mean it from a place of like, you know, if someone like me can make the shift and you know, work for it like anybody can.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like I I pretty firmly believe that.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_03: I there's obviously there's so many circumstances, everybody's got something going on, but like we're all capable of improving somewhere, getting getting better.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, I agree with that.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I'll die on that hill.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_03: I've had people fight me on it, like, well, no, I'm just my genetics, I'm built this way.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you can do better, yeah.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like absolutely, you could do better.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, sometimes it's a hard conversation.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_03: People don't like hard truths.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like hard.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody like nobody really enjoys being told a hard truth, especially about yourself.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but sometimes you have to hear it, and it's gotta make you think, and hopefully it's something that impacts you enough to make some kind of change.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it doesn't always have to be physical, you know.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we're running on empty, we're talking about physicality and stuff in general, but it doesn't have to be physical, you know, it can be in in school if you're in college or high school or whatever.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_03: It can be in work if you're trying to get a promotion, you're trying to bring in a new sale or you know, whatever the thing is, grow a business.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like there's always somewhere you can go, it doesn't have to just be a physical thing, yeah.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, for us, it kind of is, right?
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_03: We have other things too, but I think one of the things that's got us motivated and going is fitness for sure.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_03: And we like what it does for us.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_03: And if you're watching this, try it out if you have try some fitness.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's it kind of sucks, but it's kind of awesome at the same time.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: But it doesn't have to be like anything crazy, too.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like you're saying, like it's gonna look different for everyone.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I have this person in my family, I talk to them all the time, they refuse to use stairs, like they're just they don't like doing any physical activity.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you, it's it's it's rough, but like I always encourage them.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you can do it, like you can go up the stairs, and they're like, Oh no, I can't, I need an elevator.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I think one time the elevator in their apartment building was broken and they were stuck in their apartment for a while, like because they just wouldn't use the stairs because they didn't think they can.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and like they're not crazy overweight, like, but it just it makes me sad.
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you can't like I I want you to try something like go up the stairs, yeah.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so, like, even if it's something like that, like just try and push yourself, like you're saying, in some way and see what happens.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's so many ways you can do it.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_03: Always find one place to be better, but hike to the top of Temp or King's Peak and just look.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's incredible, especially you know, the sight is beautiful when you get to the top of any peak, most any peak, but like when you get up there, it's beautiful, but there's also a beauty in knowing that you worked for it, yeah.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like sure, I guess you get helicopter, whatever, but like there's you know, there's no real skipping like the ascent to get to the top of a peak.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_03: And so there's something beautiful to me about that.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you take in the nature's beauty, but then you're also like there's this earned beauty in having put in the work to get that view, so yeah.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Man, that really is it.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, yeah, you you work for it and you see what it's all about.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I've Arizona is ugly, ugly as hell.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's basically it's basically hell.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_02: But to your point, like every time I go on a hike there, um, no matter what, like, and they're usually like steep hikes because the mountains in Arizona, at least in the desert part, are just they're rough.
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but every time I get to the top, I'm like overlooking the valley, I'm like, this is great, because usually it's like a hundred degrees and you're hiking up this steep hill for five miles, and it doesn't feel like you know, if it was in a Utah, like that wouldn't be too much.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_02: But anyways, the point I'm trying to get is is I'm saying the same thing you are like it is worth it, and yeah, there's a lot to it.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_02: So um, Jace, anything to add?
• 1:15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Nope, I love this.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_01: I love this.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_02: I know this is fun.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_02: I like this, it's a good format.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_02: We gotta get you in person though next time, Jace.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, dude.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Which means I gotta get a third chair and a third microphone or table.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Either one.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, true, dude.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that'd be kind of fun.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, no, seriously, this is fun.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited about this, and I admire both of you guys.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's always fun.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: You hear the phrase all the time, like surround yourself with people um who like want or who make you better.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like you two are great examples of that.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so, like, as a friend, just gotta say thank you.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because like, I don't know, it's like you said, you're always trying to be better in every area, and it's hard to do.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, like having people like you who are in it with you, like makes the world different.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_02: So, I appreciate that.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciate your friendship, dude.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I'm glad you guys can share it with the getting after it people.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, man.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's exciting.
• 1:16:55
  SPEAKER_02: So right on.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well dude, thanks for having us, man.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_03: This has been awesome.
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it's fun.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_03: Hopefully, we can do it again soon.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we'll have to do it in like you know, a couple weeks or so.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_03: I want to hear this solo one though.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_02: He kind of teased it a little bit.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh it's coming out next week, so this will come out like Friday, and then solo one will come out sometime next week.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_02: So the schedule's a little off with the baby, so solo pod for daddy.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's gonna be the title of it.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's just for you guys.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'll do it.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, right on.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you guys for coming on, and uh, everyone else keep getting after it.