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Yoreh De’ah 189:9-13. Niddah: Veses, Established vs Irregular, Multiple Patterns, HaDilug · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We are continuing OCAS Nida kuf
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  pay tet and we're continuing the topic of Vestos tet, sieve Tet.
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  OK. So setting the pattern so we
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  know when the couple must be Mafrish for that owner, Rata,
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  the Echad, the Nissan. So she sees on the first day of
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  Nissan, this is just a random month, a random example.
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  Basically the first of the month will be Echad Bisivan, and then
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  this is two months later, right? So she skips a month again.
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  So we have a pattern of every other month.
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  She skips one month at a time. Yeah, once every two months,
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  kavala vesit la Roche kodesh with D logim.
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  So she establishes for herself a Roche kodesh vesit for this is
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  called vesit yamim. So it's always on rush kodesh,
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  but it's every other month. So that means the next month.
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  Yeah, vesit ha kodesh rather. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  OK Oh, same thing. But yeah, it's not a half lot.
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  That's the same thing. It's a type of yamim.
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  OK, so then she so she just has this mimafish every other month
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  fine, Anrush Kodesh aval, pay attention to this Rahta be
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  echhad benisan of echhad beer Uber Echhad betanos, Uber echhad
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  Bisivan Loretta. She's she sees it one month
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  apart right two months, right, one month, then the next month
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  and then she skips a month and then she goes to the next month.
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  So what happens is look, look, look.
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  Kavala veset. There's no veset kavua because
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  there's no set pattern. It has to all three months in a
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  row or three. Three dates in a row has to be
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  the exact same pattern whether it's every month, every other
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  month, every second month, third month.
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  It is 22. Skip one.
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  Yeah. Any variation.
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  Exactly. Well, anything that's not as
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  exactly the same. Three months, three times in a
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  row, nine months 2 Oh, OK, so there could be.
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  OK, so that's the question. 22 skip C1 long 2, skip C1.
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  Here, we'll write out your example.
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  So afterwards could be good, right, Ted Bob Benisson, the Ted
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  Zion BER, the Yurkhet Bisivan. Look how that's it.
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  So she sees one month, the 15th of the month, then the next
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  month it's Ted Zion and the next month it's Yurhat, not
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  Yurtzayim. So it's, it went from one day
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  apart to two days apart. So again, she doesn't have a
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  covescent because it must be an exact same pattern every time,
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  right? Again, if you it could be more
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  complicated, yes, if you're going to add in nine months, but
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  right now we're back to three times in a row.
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  Whatever the pattern is, it has to be the exact same repeating
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  pattern. Kevan Shasirga Bakoda
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  Shashlishi, since she skipped a day.
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  In other words, instead of being one day apart, it was 2 days
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  apart. Velorata and she didn't see your
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  design. She only saw your head.
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  So then therefore it's it's that's not a set pattern.
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  Fine, fine. The shock just has a interesting
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  case where it's the month before was a set every single month.
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  That's a kabua fiudalid. If you have a vested kavua for
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  the same day of the month, then in order to move to Dilug, then
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  that that Udallah doesn't count. You need you, right?
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  You don't, according to nobody, Rob Werschmuel, like we
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  mentioned earlier. In other words, you have to
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  start a whole new 3 or 4 times if it's going to be the Dilug
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  udallah. Let's go, let's continue.
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  Again, all these cases are not so common.
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  Dilga paham akhas ostein Ena khosheshit.
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  Now any of these cases, when it's this is kind of Hazara.
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  Any time where where the pattern is going to move one day, it's
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  going to change every month by one day.
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  So then doing it once or twice, you don't have to worry about
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  it. In other words, we learnt that a
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  woman who doesn't have a vested kavua, she always has to worry
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  about, generally speaking, three times.
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  She always has to worry about the day of the month, the
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  interval repeating the same interval as last time and Ona
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  Benonit, which we say is the 30th day with and but then and
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  anytime she gets a there's a change or there's something new
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  going on, she's nothing she has to worry about, you know, going
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  forward, a possible repeat of the pattern, like if she changes
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  the day, changes the interval. So now for the next interval,
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  she has to gets modified. You know, if she last time she
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  saw 29 days apart and the next time it's 30 days apart and she
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  doesn't have a vesa kavua. So now she has to worry 30 days
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  apart. And then if then the next time
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  it's 25 days apart, then she has to worry about 25 days apart for
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  the next time. She always has to just worry
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  once about the the previous interval, the previous day and
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  the previous and then, oh, not Benoni.
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  So all that we are familiar with, he's just teaching now and
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  Yudalev that when it comes to the D, look where it might
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  change from, let's say twice in a row.
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  It went from 15 days to 16 days. And now do you have to worry
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  about the next time? Do you have to worry about,
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  well, maybe it's going to change again by one day.
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  So the answer is never. We never worry about the Dilug
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  unless you have an established pattern, whether it's 3 or 4
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  times, whatever it is, until you have an established pattern, you
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  never have to worry. So once or twice, you never have
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  to worry again. Once or twice you worry for the
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  Vesa, Tayamim, Haflaga and Benonit, but never for Dilug.
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  OK, Alpha Pisa Shahravesta like we just said, she worries about
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  the other three, but palm akhas even just one time Ena
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  Khoshchela vesete diluk AJ tikva enu until it becomes
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  established. OK, you'd bet Vesete seru.
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  Now this is skipping a whole month year we show in a
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  miniminion. So generally speaking, if you're
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  making an interval, so the first time counts the Dvrehakov, the
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  alpha P Shirika real tea, even though it's getting you know,
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  you're skipping a month, it gets further apart.
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  Doesn't matter. Ella chilli ingen khashash
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  vesta, but hila who Chevelle de lux in a Khoshchev, but also
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  just like Diluk again, Diluk and Sirug are kind of similar either
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  for either one of them, you never have to worry about it
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  unless it's a set pattern Kavua one time, 2 times, you never
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  have to worry. You don't have to be Khoshchev
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  Ella me Rosh Kodesh Loresh Kodesh has some mukhla but you
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  only but you do have to worry about that's if she sees it on
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  Rosh Kodesh. Then you have to worry about the
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  next month Rosh Kodesh because of it's really vested to Yami
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  more vested to Kodesh. But Kagun, let's see Kagun
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  Shirata Barosh Kodesh Nissan. So anytime let's say she a woman
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  doesn't have a vested kabua and then she sees on the vest that
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  happens on Rosh Kodesh any 1st and Rosh Kodesh, we'll just use
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  the example Nissan. So then Koshesha the Rosh Kodesh
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  ER, so then she has to worry about the next Rosh Kodesh a
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  month later, right? That's one of the three times
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  she's always worried for. And our example happens to be
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  ER, the IM Laura TA ad Rosh Kodesh Sivan.
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  Now let's say she doesn't see in ER, she sees only in Sivan.
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  In other words, she sees one month, she skips a month, and
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  then she sees two months later again, Rosh Kodesh.
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  So what do we say? It's going to resist.
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  This is a a repeat of what we just said, Khazar.
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  So she doesn't, she doesn't have a vested kavua, so she sees in
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  month number one. The second month she doesn't
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  see. She sees in the third month.
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  In this example, it's Thomas. So what does she have to worry
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  about? She has to worry about the next
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  month, 30 days later because it's Rosh Kodesh.
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  She has to worry. There's no Bain on it.
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  And she also has to be worried about Rosh Kodesh one month
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  later. Now it's true she just skipped a
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  month and so, but she doesn't have to worry about this pattern
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  of every other month because it's not set.
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  The only time she has to worry about is those three times that
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  we mentioned. So she only has to worry about
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  the next, the Rosh Kodesh that's Samukh to the month that she
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  just saw. The IM Laura Tabarosh Kodesh
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  Tamos that she doesn't see in Rosh Kodesh Tamos.
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  She doesn't have to worry about two months later from her last
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  scene because there is no set pattern.
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  No, because if she didn't she saw 5960 days.
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  Oh OK could be right, could be correct.
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  If she sees 60, the last time she saw was 60 days, then she
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  has to worry about 60 days later for that flag.
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  OK Alpha P Shahim. I forgot Shnehodashim kaina
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  flaga harishona vignesh you have sakata kodesh Hashini beat la
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  riata kodesh arisham. Now that she's skipped a month,
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  she doesn't have to worry about the previous Rosh Kodesh because
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  of Vasila Kodesh. Fine, the Riata Kodesh Ashley,
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  she he had Kalat vasit. And now when she sees in the
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  third month, then she only has to the khosh hash if she sees in
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  the third month. In our example, she skips one
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  month and she sees in the third month.
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  She only has to worry about one month later the loyal tear and
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  not more worry about Benonite and Haflago.
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  Yeah, OK. You'd Gilmo.
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  You'd Gilmo if you have a haramasha afterwards.
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  Let me know In haisha kovala vesit afilu rata shalusha rosheh
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  khodashim zahraza El inkin yukulam bohona ahas.
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  OK so now you can kind of ignore the first few words not to not
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  confuse yourself. Your gemal is teaching us
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  whenever you establish A vesit kavua.
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  It has to be where she sees the beginning of the flow and the
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  same time period, meaning the same day or day or night, right?
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  That's what this health is teaching you.
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  So we're going to see from the examples.
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  So all three times to make to establish a vested kavua, all
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  three times must be seen during the day or all three times must
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  be seen at night. If it's you know, 3 three times
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  in a row, but one is night and one is day, that doesn't count
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  to establish a vested kavua. Let's see the EM rata sushapa
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  Amin bayom vahrevi igbalaya. So let's say she gets a vested
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  kavua, right? 3 * 3 months in a row and
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  they're all during the the day. And then the 4th month she sees
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  that night, right? So then it, well, it breaks it
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  sort of. She still has her vested kavua.
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  So now for the next month she's going to have to be mafish
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  twice. She has to worry about her
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  vested kavua and then she has to worry about maybe she's no
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  longer going to have a vested kavua and then she has to worry
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  about everything else. Let's read Oh, shoshapa mean
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  belayla. We read bayom, same thing.
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  So then khosheshit bayom U belayla.
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  Then she has to worry about both the day and the night.
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  So the right, because maybe the next time is going to follow the
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  original pattern. But she didn't lose.
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  She didn't really lose her vested kabua yet.
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  It's not exactly broken and it's just on alert.
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  And she has to worry also that maybe it's going to follow a new
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  pattern and then maybe she has to worry about the Akharam
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  Vimrata Amin baila Shaloh Allah Seder.
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  Let's say there's no seder yet, there's nothing Kabu
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  established. It's just random one time day,
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  one time night, the Lokava ekhad Mehen shalosh Amin and there is
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  never anything established. So then I'll, I'll just, we'll
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  jump to the end and jump right back.
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  The Allah is khosheshit lahruna abdulwad.
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  That means she has no vassit kabua and she only has to worry
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  about the last time. So let's go back as it's going
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  to be the same Allah for all cases.
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  Oh shatira harishona bayam the shalo shahruna belailor she sees
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  the first time of the day and then three times in a row at
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  night time. So then she does establish A
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  vested based on the akrona hoshet la krona bilvad.
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  She has to not but she only has to worry about the last one.
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  But now the last one gives her a vested kabua for night time.
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  Oh, are rishona belila vashila shakhna bayon or she sees once
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  at night and then three times during the daytime.
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  Oh, shalosh baze vashalosh baze or three and three.
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  Then khoshesh atla Kona bilvat. She only has to worry about the
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  last, which is the latter, vesit kavua.
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  And this is actually kind of a review.
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  The grass says that as well. So I don't know if you want to
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  call it obvious or not, but let's read the Haggai insight.
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  Haisha Shirata, a woman who sees khoshesh atla vesita khodesh ula
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  haflaga AD sheti Kava vesit hakodesh vishalosh pamim.
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  Yeah. So then she has to worry about,
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  like we said before, vesit hakodesh and haflaga until she
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  gets a vesit kavua hakodesh pamim.
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  Now vesit hakodesh, we also know benonit, but here let's read
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  inside when it says vesit akodesh.
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  So that takes bishalosh pamim. That takes three times.
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  Oh vessel Haflaga arba pamim. We already learned that for
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  Haflaga to for an interval, you need 4 times, right?
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  Because you need something to begin the interval and then
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  three more times to establish the interval.
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  Oshita akar erhad Mahan or until one of them gets uprooted.
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  OK, Keitzad rata ehad Benisa, let's have an example.
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  She sees on the 1st of the month first of Nissan, the S Rainbow
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  and again on the 20th of Nissan, right?
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  So that's the first and the 20th at the same month, 19 days later
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  Hosheshit. So then now, so she saws once on
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  the Nissan, once on a stream the Nissan.
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  So hosheshit let ehrhad be ER ipne Roche kodesh Nissan Katesat
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  braha beche hod be ER ipne Roche kodesh Nissan.
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  So she has to worry about the first of Rosh Kodesh ER because
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  of Rosh Kodesh Nissan rata be Ehud benyar the ER O Laura
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  tabeko sheshit letette BER Shu Yom estrim Marriott yomkov
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  shirata. So within one month it sounds
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  like it doesn't lose it protesia.
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  Even if she saw, even if she saw on the on the 1st of ER.
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  So 8-9 days later she has to be kosher.
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  She writes rata tete be ER alorata.
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  Let's say she sees on the 9th of ER or not kosher.
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  Should let a stream be ER? She has to worry about a stream
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  be ER shama kavala vasit kaf lakhodish Shari rata extreme
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  Mahadashi mahain he khosheshit la ulam ajitikva vesit ehrhad
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  kadino. She always has to worry like
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  this until she has a vesit kavua, the azena khosheshit
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  lesheni shaloniqba. Then you never worry about
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  something else that's that's not kavua or until one of them gets
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  uprooted, which means by one time or one, and then you never
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  have to worry about again. We said this, we never have to
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  worry about Dilog at all unless it's 100%.
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  So if she sees on the 15th of one month, so the next month she
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  worries about the 15th, not the not the 16th, right, Ted Zein
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  But if she sees one month, we're still worried about being on it
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  fine. Or the issue is the pattern of
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  Dilog, if you're worried for Dilog per SE, right?
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  Ted Zein Bo that she's to see is one month 15 the next month 16
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  Koshesh Hitler Ted Zein the Sivan she only worries about the
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  16th on the next month. As far as the dates right, the
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  Ana Koshesh Hitler you'd zein. She only worries for Ted Zein in
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  contrast not to Udzine because there was no established of
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  dealer yet. Again, like you said, we still
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  worry for but if she sees IT151116 next month, 17 the next
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  month. So then now she's worried about
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  Udzine for the next month because maybe it's not a Kovua
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  yet. Bow, but not for your head.
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  Not so on this. So however, since it's by the
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  day, the shock points out really she should be Makhmur because
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  we're Makhmur for both. Whenever it comes to D look on a
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  on a calendar date, we're Makhmur of three and four both
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  ways. Lehomera, as we learnt in the
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  previous year, there's a there's a mahlokas between Rav and
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  Shmuel. If you need three times to see
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  or four times to see on a Veset haddiluk, you are but OK, the
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  shock points out. But if you see it four different
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  dates vidilog, then thermal here says you get a vested kavua and
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  then you're only worried for the and no longer and no longer.
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  The interval changes by one day. But obviously you need one extra
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  day to make the interval. But OK, whenever one of the riya
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  okay, Kiene hillock, benam, rakisha, omrin Cuba, dilog
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  hodesh rishon. I mean a minion commotion bear,
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  but it's a mahogas. If the first one counts for Rosh
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  Hodesh, again, that's back to what we were saying.
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  Rata tedva benisan vimshikhar reeta arbaai yamim ubo Ted Zayn
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  BR Ted Zayn BR rata vimshikhar ETA shosha yamim Zain Bo
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  levescet shavesha. So let me just explain.
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  I'll say this outside this case is she sees three times in a row
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  the deluge, but on that specific day she will see it three times,
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  but it doesn't start the same day every time.
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  In other words, let's say whatever three times in a row
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  it's it doesn't. Anytime you have a vest it that
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  doesn't start the same time. But because the flow is
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  continuing for a few days in a row, there's going to be one
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  time it'll start and then the other times it'll still be going
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  bleeding that time, but it won't start that same.
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  So basically it just says Yesh Omrim Shaheen confesses kalau.
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  Wait, so there is one opinion that's you are Koshish to make a
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  veset kavua because this is the halakha, the whole yesh omrim
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  Shaheen confesses shavet kalau. And but some say that unless you
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  start all three times at the exact same time, in other words,
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  the same day or same night, the hokin tamira khartila tariya
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  vahain ikar, the halakhah is clear.
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  You always go after the starting of the the flow, the starting of
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  the vested and it doesn't matter when the other times are
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  continuing. You always look at the beginning
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  and it has to be established 3 exact same pattern always from
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  the beginning, otherwise it doesn't count for anything.