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Episode #36: This Increases Mortality by 50% (with Holistic Hilda) · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: As you know, you were at Mine and Joel's Health Summit last year at Polyface Farm.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: And my whole talk was about the emotional, energetic root cause of disease, right?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: And what I was saying on that was the bottom line is that all disease is rooted in not feeling loved, right?
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_02: You don't feel love and accepted.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: When we were in this healing circle, women were sharing their emotions, and the most unifying emotion that they felt was not being loved.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: You heard people saying they felt abandoned, right?
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't feel supported, they didn't feel safe.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it comes down to not feeling loved.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: But if I stopped to listen, I might hear and be able to respond better to what my body needs too.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad that we had that space to do that, to pause and listen and relax, which I think, again, on our busy treadmill, we don't always take the time to do that.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Hello, welcome to another edition of Beyond Labels.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Dr.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: Cena McCullough.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: Today we have a special treat.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: Holistic Hilda is joining us again.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for coming on the show, Hilda.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, it's my pleasure, Sina.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Truly.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: I am very excited because Hilda and I just returned from a week-long retreat together.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, it was life-changing, life-affirming and life-changing.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I asked Hilda if she'd come on the show and talk about it and share some of our experiences and also talk about how we felt, like this felt sense of community, which I think is so lacking today in our culture.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, would you agree with that, Hilda?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: We were made to be with each other, Sina.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: We were made to connect with one another.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: And especially because of these past two years with so many restrictions and things, people have distanced themselves, not quite understanding the value of being together.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: But even before then, we were on this trajectory where we were spending more time on our devices than we were with people in person, whether it's working on our individual computers or on our phones.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a sense, as you know, with technology where it does draw us closer, but nothing beats the dynamic and the spirit of being with people in person.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: I agree 100%.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't actually really understand the extent of that statement you just made until we went on this retreat.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to get into that in a moment to so for us to actually explain to our listeners and our viewers how this experience changed us, how we think of community differently now, and what we're going to do going forward.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: But first, what I want to do is share a couple statistics from some peer-reviewed scientific studies that I have found that I'm hoping can kind of help explain what many of us have been feeling, particularly over the last couple of years, what how we've had this longing for community and a different type of connectedness.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: And what I have learned in my studies is that community is actually critical for our survival.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: As you mentioned, we're tribal people.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: This is actually a nutrient.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think of it as a missing nutrient in most of our daily protocols.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: And we're seeing now in studies that social relationships are intimately linked with health and longevity.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: And for I want to give you a couple of stats here.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: This one study, and I'm going to put a link to it in the show description so people can read this for themselves.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: It says a defining characteristic of human society is that individual lives are intertwined through social relationships.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: Full social participation is such a fundamental human need that research since the 1900s has found the lack of social connection increases the odds of death by at least 50%.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then when they look at social isolation, so this doesn't actually even mean that you are physically just isolated from others.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: You could be surrounded by a sea of people and perceive yourself as being isolated.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: When you are in that space, studies are now showing it increases your odds of um death by 91%.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: And they go on in these studies to show that when you feel isolated, inflammation rises in your body.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: It actually rises as much as of physical inactivity.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: So, like somebody being totally lethargic, like laying on the couch.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: It also increases your risk of high blood pressure.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_02: Check this out, Hilda.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: It increases your risk of high blood pressure more than diabetes.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like more than diabetes.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: They've also shown in laboratory studies with rats that social isolation increases the formation of tumors.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: It compromises your ability of your immune system to respond to stress and infections.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: And in humans, they've shown that if you feel socially disconnected or you don't feel that support, it can lead to a chronic state of activation of your immune system, right?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: What does this sound like?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: Autoimmune diseases.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: It can lead to neuroendocrine diseases, metabolic syndrome, you know, obesity, uh, you name it.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: They've connected it with cardiovascular disease and all age-related diseases.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: They've connected it with elevated markers of inflammation, elevated um dysregulation of the nervous system.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, all the things that we look at, all the triggers that we look at when trying to reverse disease, they're all they all can be triggered by a felt sense of not being connected, not being supported by others.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, isn't that remarkable?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because I keep saying this little phrase, I don't know if I made it up or heard it somewhere during this pandemic time, but um, community is immunity.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: I kept saying community is immunity, but I had no idea, it was more of an intuitive statement.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I had no idea that there were a lot of stats to back it up.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I knew, as I said a moment ago, that we were more connected than ever in some ways, but we're also lonelier than ever.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it could be, if I'm not mistaken, that the more time we spend online, the more discouraged and depressed, and the more those markers, as you said, indicate poor health.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because, in some ways, I know, especially teens and others, you see other people's highlight reels on the social media and other platforms, and you think everyone else is having fun, everyone else is together.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, it's the perception of I'm not a part of a community, I'm not loved, and I'm lonely.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: And as you've said through all your stats, basically we're kind of all slowly dying of loneliness unless we take steps to really connect with others.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, what you're saying just completely resonates with me.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I try to stay off social media because I found not only do I get easily addicted to it, but it did it, I allowed it to put me in a state where I felt I wasn't good enough.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was like this person's doing this, this person's kids are doing this, and you know, what am I doing?
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so you so I never felt good enough, right?
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: It was like a reminder of things that I wasn't doing well enough, or you know, so I had to actually just push it out of my life for the most part.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's why I think the retreat that we went on.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: Now, this was a retreat that was hosted by Robin Shirley from Take Back Your Health, a good friend of both yours and mine.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it was my first retreat, first time I've ever done anything like this.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: I had no expectation whatsoever.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know, I shared that with you.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: I intentionally did not set an expectation.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Hilda, I was actually going to this retreat for research.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: I I wanted to set up a wellness center for a long time.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: And my husband said, before you invest all that financial capital, do a retreat, see if it's something you're even interested in.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: So I went thinking, oh, I'm just gonna observe, see, see what happens at this retreat.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: Little did I know this was gonna change my life.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was gonna open my eyes to so many, so many things that I've only read in statistics, like the ones I just read to you, that didn't really hit home until I experienced it for myself.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: So this was we spent five days together.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was an all-women's retreat.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it was on the beach, right?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, out in the outer banks.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: And we did all kinds of things together as a community.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: You led us in sunrise walks on the beach, which were amazing.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: We saw dolphins dancing in the waves, like playing in the waves.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: It was just, it was breathtaking.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we did intermittent fasting, right?
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: Robin prepared an exceptional menu of all organic, grain-free, dairy-free food.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: Was oh, it was just food that you're like, can you come to my house and cook like this for me all the time?
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was phenomenal.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we did cooking classes, they led us in yoga, reflexology.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: She did Reiki.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: We had healing circles where we opened up and we shared emotions together.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we also did the flip side.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: We had games and we all laughed together, right?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: It was all these um, all these modalities that you would think of, all these tools actually that help keep you healthy.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you and I did a couple other things on the side.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: I want to get to that in a minute.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: But one thing that I really loved, that I really noticed, was there were no phones.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: People were not, we brought phones and some of us brought computers, but people were engaged in the moment with the rest of the women.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: We were not sitting there on our phone, texting people, calling people, or working on our computers, right?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: We were actually looking at each other's eyes as we were speaking to each other.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: We weren't trying to fix each other, right?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Nor were we asking to be fixed.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: We were simply showing up and being present for the other person and supporting them.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: We were acknowledging their existence and hearing them.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Just like um, you know, I explained like children, what do children want, right?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: They want your attention because attention means love.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_02: We're the same way, right?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: We all want that kind of attention um and that to feel that sense of love.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know about you, but uh I have never been in a group of people like this group where I have actually felt loved and supported and accepted for who I am.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I thought I had, but until we went to that retreat and we experienced it as that group of 30 women, I actually thought this is the first time in my life that I've really felt heard and really felt accepted.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that is profound.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that makes me so happy.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: And let me just say, I feel like it's something that we have to be intentional about now because in you know, I've studied a little bit of ancestral wisdom and and our ancestors in the past, people in the past, they were tribal people.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: As you said earlier, Sina, they were people that lived in community.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: So right now, if a young mom has a couple kids like you, um, you know, in that right now, you're on your own.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: You're trying to feed your family, you're trying to, you know, educate them, and you're you're basically in charge of everything with them right there.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: But in ancient times, which wasn't really that long ago, people lived in community so that while you were recuperating from your recent birth, you know, the grandmother is entertaining the other kids while someone else is hunting the deer that you're gonna have for dinner, like that was a whole community, and it wasn't even just your immediate family, it was the whole tribe looking out for each other.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you could connect with other moms and you would feel the way we felt on this retreat.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: But now we have to pick places and carve out time to be able to connect heart to heart like that.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you come see me in DC, we'll have a couple little meals together.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm working, you know, I'm still doing stuff and you're still doing stuff too.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just there are distractions today.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we have to really be intentional and carve out the time.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm saying this to anyone listening who's like, well, that sounds great.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I would love meals cooked for me too, Sina, you know, and I'd love to do some yoga and some healing circles, but I'm busy.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: I believe, and we'll get to this in a moment too, that you can still carve out the time for community because it is life-saving and health-saving, as Sina was saying.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: On my little Instagram, I was on my phone just a little bit on that retreat.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: I asked people, like, do you guys ever do retreats?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd give a little poll, heck yes, or I wish.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like 90% said, I wish.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh, like my heart went out to them.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: My heart goes out to you if you're not taking the time or haven't found that group yet.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: But let me just say, if you open up to the possibility, like Sina did, you will find it.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: The Bible does say seek and you will find.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's talking about God, but it works in the sense too.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you are open to it, it will appear.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then you can have this kind of really amazing transformative love that you were describing, Sina, that really does take us to a place of acceptance.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: It helps us grow in our own understanding of who we are and our place in this world.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think what you're saying is just so profound.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: I and I feel like we're understating it because once you've experienced it, it's like I've been, you know, we've been back for a few days now from this retreat, and I've been trying to think of how would I put this into words?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's almost this indescribable feeling, you know, it's like it so for at least for many years now, I would say upward of eight years, my family and I have been looking for community.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: And people keep saying to us, well, there's people all around you.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's a homeschool group over here, there's this club over here, you know what I mean?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, even though I had never felt what I just felt with you on this retreat, instinctively I knew something is missing from those settings.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: Something is just not, it's not fulfilling that um that need, that that requirement that my body is screaming at me that it wants.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it really, for me, this really manifested after I got sick, right?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: As you know, I almost died from the autoimmune disease.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it was healing from that, that you know, you start putting your life in perspective.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: What is important?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: What would I have missed out on the most?
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: Even now I feel I'm tears are coming up because um having a brush with death was one of the it was a gift from God, right?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Re-evaluated everything in my entire life.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: And what I walked away with is that the most important thing is relationships.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that's when I looked around and I realized I don't have that.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have, I have friends, uh, you know, people I chat with over here and there, but there's something different.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's that tribal connectedness that you have, you know.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: And um one example, when we were in one of our, you know, group, I'm gonna call it a healing discussion, and we were sharing something, it was supposed to be something that you were angry about.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to give specifics because these are, you know, these are everybody has their own story to share.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's not my place to share them.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: But what I will say is that, as you know, you were at Mine and Joel's Health Summit last year at Polyface Farm, and my whole talk was about the emotional, energetic root cause of disease, right?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: And what I was saying on that was the bottom line is that all disease is rooted in not feeling loved, right?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: You don't feel love and accepted.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, when we were in this healing circle, women were sharing their emotions, and the most unifying emotion that they felt was not being loved.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: You heard people saying they felt abandoned, right?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't feel supported, they didn't feel safe, and it comes down to not feeling loved.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: So, this is this is a universal feeling that when you allow yourself to open up and open your heart space and explore those emotions, you'll see that it's something we all have in common.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's something that we can actually connect with each other around this feeling of not feeling good enough, you know?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what happened at this retreat is we got into this safe space with each other naturally, right?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: It just happened organically, and we were all able to share this.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: And because we were all we were all operating pretty much on the same uh vibrational frequency, right?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Which also bonded us together and it allowed us to open up our heart space and not judge each other, but to just support each other in that one space that we're at.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you can't get that online, like right?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's different.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: You can't get that online.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: One thing that occurs to me is in the Weston A.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Price Foundation circles, you know, I've run the Wise Traditions podcast and I'm I'm very connected with this group that's all about ancestral wisdom.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: We talk about avoiding like Franken foods, artificial foods.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm mentioning this because the same principle, dietary principle, applies to emotions and relationships.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, when we go about trying to kind of put on a facade and give a certain impression to the world, they think we have it all together, and we think they have it all together, and none of us do.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: But until you get real, until you really get real, that connection can be fostered.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: So dare I say, when we, you know, just have you know coffee with a friend and we're just like, oh, everything's great, everything's great, and you just go on and try to kind of gloss over the difficulties, you're missing an opportunity for true community.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: So the reason we felt it so much, Sina, is because, like you said, we were in the same heart space, but we were willing to let the difficulties show and the tears flow.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I say this because it meant a lot to me because I'm still learning about this process of kind of emotional detoxing.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I did like all of us had a, you know, I don't want to say traumatic childhood, but it was an imperfect childhood.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was an imperfect childhood.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: So there are wounds that I may be carrying even unbeknownst to me.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of just glossing them over, or when something happens in the moment now, ever since the retreat, I've been trying to be more present in my emotions so I can be real, that um, you know, hey, hubby, and if I'm telling my husband, you know, this thing that you did bothered me, or um another interaction with someone, you know, they're not, I'm not trying to point the finger like they did something wrong, but I'm trying to acknowledge that something doesn't feel right.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: And whether or not they say sorry, or whether or not we restore in that moment, it's good for me to open up because as Andrea Beaman said on the retreat, tears are a gift from God.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was something along the lines of what you were saying, tears are a gift from God, and as they flow, they heal, or something like that.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's that's a mashup of the little quote she gave.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like they are a balm of sorts.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: So rather than holding back, my charge to everybody is to open up, to open up, and that's where some of the real interactions and healing relationships can come into play.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's so great.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I also want to mention this group of around 30 women, we were they're all different ages, right?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, all the way up to like there was a girl there in her 70s, you know.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, all different ages, all different ethnicities, you know, different backgrounds, different upbringings, living in different states.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: And they all came together and were able to feel for each other and open up and not judge and just be, just exist with each other.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that is remarkable.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: To me, that was like this realizate, this affirmation of what I think you and I both believe that um humanness just transcends all of these controversies that we have, right?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the day, we are just all human.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so we were able to at this retreat look at each other and love and accept each other the way that we are.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: And like you're saying, one thing that um one thing that I wanted to bring up is that um Hilda actually indulged me and she went to a um qi gong class with me, right?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Which that's something I've wanted to do.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's it's one of those practices that's recommended for healing, the mind, body, and spirit.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd never tried it.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: And Hilda actually went with me, and I don't know about you, but I had such a remarkable response to it that I'd like to share.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the main reasons why I was able to have that response is because you were open to you were sharing that space with me and you were open to trying this, and you didn't block the energy flow with judgments or doubts or worry, you know.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: So for anyone who doesn't know, um, Qi Gong is is designed to help you raise your energy level and balance your energy level.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: So it combines the mind, body, and soul practice.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it integrates posture, movements, um, breathing techniques, self massage, um, you know, sound and intention.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Combines all these into one, you know, designed to get you into the parasympathetic healing state.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: So when we were doing ours together, um, I had, I don't know if you noticed this, you probably did.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: It was like undeniable, but I was able to speak just normally, like I am now.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Then we did the Qigong.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: And immediately after I lost my voice, right?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: For many, for the remaining days of the of the retreat.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: My voice, but do you remember that?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was all scratchy.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: I was like trying to cough and drink water.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: It was just gone, right?
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember telling you, we were sitting on the beach and I was like, yeah, it's a stuck emotion.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like I know it's a stuck emotion here.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is feeling um, when I don't feel safe, my throat starts to constrict, you know.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd already know, you know, I worked with Dr.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Bush and we had tested my antibody levels and whatnot.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: Everything was fine on the physical level, but comes back to the emotional.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: I felt unsafe.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I tell you what, you know, my belief is that when you're ready to release that stuck emotion, God shows you what it is, right?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: And you can release it.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: The final day of the retreat, we were doing yoga, all women together, and it just popped in my mind what it was that was causing the stuck emotion.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I released it.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: I kid you not, Hilda.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Immediately my voice returned, like to what it is right now.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I had done nothing.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't, I didn't take any supplements, throat losengers, nothing.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: It just bam, it came back.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: So that's like the amazing healing power of God, you know, if you just open to it.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: And that's my point, is that you shared that experience with me, didn't judge it.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: You you were open to it.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: And because I felt so supported by you and heard by you, I was able to go into that space and feel what this trapped emotion was and release it.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's just such a healing blessing right there.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm so glad.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I am in a place where I'm I'm ready to love the people around me.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I already loved you anyway, but I was willing to explore that, right?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the retreat itself facilitated that kind of openness, that open energy and that curiosity that I already have, but it kind of built on it.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: And also the listening posture.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what I love about you, Cena, is that you listen to your body, you listen to how you're feeling, you're paying attention.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I think too many of us, I will speak for myself, like I love to work out, and it's like, even if I don't feel like it, I'm like, I don't care, I'm working out.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I make these decisions, some of which can be good, like it's good to push through, but it sometimes it becomes a block in my hearing what my body really needs.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I told Andrea that after our qi gang, I was like, oh my gosh, I kept yawning, I kept yawning.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: And even the instructor I told her, and she said, Oh, that means your qi is moving around.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: But Andrea Beaman's like, I think it means you're tired, Alda, that you kept yawning.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's like your body has a moment to tell you something.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I did, I rested like um a lot of the afternoon.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think I took a little nap on the beach and it just I was listening like I'm a power-through girl, but if I stopped to listen, I might hear and be able to respond better to what my body needs too.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad that we had that space to do that, to pause and listen and relax, which I think again, on our busy treadmill, we don't always take the time to do that.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think so too.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: I think, even like you were talking about earlier, that we feel so many different pressures, you know, from family, from spouses, from society.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I do think it's difficult, um, and and you know, and social media exacerbates that difficulty.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I do think it's difficult to actually hear your body and to give yourself permission to even slow down long enough to be able to hear what it's saying, even if it's just 30 seconds, right?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because we feel like we have all these obligations that we have to do.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I can I can speak as from a mother of three young kids.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I do feel like, you know, there's so many things on my plate and so many things that are now expected of us to do.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: And part of what I've been doing, like on that retreat and since then, is to really unravel all that and to say, okay, which parts of these am I, which put which of these expectations am I putting on myself?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: Which ones came from society and then break that down, which ones are from my parents, which which there's a lot of them, and then and then which ones are from friends, which ones are ones that I put on myself because I'm comparing myself to other people, whether that's on social media or you know, in-person interactions.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so I've started to really take stock of unraveling all that to see which ones of these can I change my perception about?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like which ones of these do I just want to let go and be like, you know what?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even I that doesn't resonate with me.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to do that anymore.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: That comes from that person's expectation of me, but I'm gonna let that go, right?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's the fear of disappointing somebody, right?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Fear of disappointing others often that that keeps us holding on to those expectations of ourselves.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm starting to give myself permission to let go of those.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I'm all I've always been the people pleaser, you know, coming from the abusive environment as a child and putting others first and thinking if I just say yes to them, you know, then they'll like me and then I'll feel accepted.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'll get that dopamine rush and whatnot.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now what I realized um is every time I say yes to someone else, I say no to myself and I say no to my family.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so now I'm using that kind of as a litmus test, like when somebody asks me to do something or whatnot, or I just got another opportunity from Epic Times.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm thinking, wow, that would be great, you know, to do that.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: But do I want to say yes to that?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because if I say yes to that, it's gonna take more time and energy.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say no to something else in myself and in my family.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm becoming more mindful instead of just jumping and being like, yeah, that sounds great.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna do that.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm more mindful, more aware of why I'm making the decisions that I'm making.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Awareness is so key.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're talking about listening to the body earlier, and I was thinking, what do we do usually?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, like my I have a headache, let's say, oh, I'm gonna take a pill, you know, ibuprofen.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I have cramps, I'm gonna take some Advil.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, always we're trying to tell the body, be quiet, be quiet.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: But what if we actually listen to our body and then you're talking about listening to our emotions?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: The minute someone asks ourselves asks us to do something, there's a gut feeling that if we pause long enough to listen will tell us, should I say yes?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Do I really want to do this or do I really not?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, if you really don't, everything's optional.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't think I used to think, oh, if I don't say yes, like you said, also they won't like me, or you know, I won't be regarded a certain way.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: But if someone else says no to me, I accept it right away.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, that's their boundary, it's not gonna work for them.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Why do I have a hard time doing it myself?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I afraid of how they're gonna see me?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I've learned anytime I'm invited to do something, I have the option to say no.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so what I've started doing, Sina, I have a daily list of affirmations that I wrote down recently because I wanted to um envision more and give myself permission to be the person I want to be.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the affirmations is I embrace the best yes and say no when needed.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I like that because it has empowered me to see myself as a person who can say no.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it does help me to embrace what's really gonna serve me and the people around me.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So um, I'm not saying every time someone asks me to do something, I immediately say no, because sometimes I might not feel like it, but it might be a good choice, you know.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I try to pay attention to what my body's telling me.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I also like this affirmation because I embrace the best yes.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna just say yes for the heck of it.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna make sure it's something that's gonna serve me and the people around me well.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: And even if it costs me some time or some effort, if it's in that category of doing good to me and those around me, then I'll probably say yes.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: So like talking to you today.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: I know I always love chatting with you.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, to piggyback on that, uh, yes, I think it's wonderful.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, I think it was that universal feeling amongst the group of women that we don't necessarily set good boundaries for ourselves and that we want to, right?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so that was something a big takeaway from I think from at least most of the women is let's move forward and honoring ourselves and what our what our intuition is telling us.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think that's a fantastic takeaway.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the other part of that is you led an interesting talk at the retreat where it was talking about making the impossible possible.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I love this.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder if you can touch on that a little bit and then share our ocean experience.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the longer I'm in this health and wellness space, the more I realize that our mindset makes a difference in what goes on around us.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a valuable piece of the puzzle because what you believe makes a difference to every cell in your body.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if I think, for example, if I just wake up and think, this is gonna be a horrible day, I've got too much to do.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: The day is gonna be exactly as I envision it, right?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: It is gonna be a horrible day.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: I will have too much to do.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just these things go hand in hand, and this affects our health.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you're like, oh, that person makes me sick.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: The fact that you're saying that, the fact that you're thinking that is definitely going to make you sick.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it's just, oh, that person's a pain in the neck.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna have a pain in the neck.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're our ability to verbalize what's happening can make it happen.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it all starts with what we think.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I like to envision sometimes impossible things and then watch it happen and become possible.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you might think, oh, Hilda, that's just you.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: I have so many impossible things, they would never become possible.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's not true.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Because what I've learned is thoughts are things.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if you think to yourself, you know what, I'm gonna make breakfast before I work out this morning.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: First it was a thought and then it became reality.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you thought, you know, I'm gonna get outside for a little bit, just sit there for five minutes before my kids wake up.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: You thought it and then you made it happen.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: So this happens all the time, but we discount it when it comes to bigger things.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I've had so many things happen in my life where something impossible or unexpected became possible because I thought it.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I envisioned it, and then I set my intention toward it, and then it happened.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just it blows me away whenever I think of it.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one example I can give you, actually, it was just a passing thought and it really became reality was years ago, Cena, some good friends of mine and I were in our 20s in college, and we're like, let's do something crazy today.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do something crazy.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Okay, I'm in, I'm in, as long as it's not illegal.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now I would just say, let's do it.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter if it's illegal because of Joel's book.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, everything I want to do is illegal.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, so we were like, let's pretend one of us is getting married and let's go into David's Village and Bridal Shop and um just try on wedding dresses.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I want to do it, I want to do it.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I grabbed my friend's grandmother's ring and put it on my ring finger, and we walked into David's Village and Bridal Shop.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I started trying on dresses, and my friends would say yes to this one, no to that one.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: We were laughing so much behind the sales lady's back because they won't let just anyone come in and try on wedding dresses.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you have to be a person that's getting married, right?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: So we were laughing, having a good time, and then someone we knew walked in to David's Village and Bridal Shop, and she didn't know what we were up to.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, oh no, this friend, Susie, is gonna tip off the sales lady by saying, What are you doing, Hilda?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: I thought, I have to be proactive and you know, kind of catch her off, head her off at the past.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I ran over to where she was at and I was like, Susie, Susie.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: I said, You'll never guess who I'm marrying.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Mitch Gore.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I said it because I knew she would know I had nothing going on with this man.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: He was a friend of ours in this like fellowship group we are part of.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I said it because he was like the last person I would necessarily marry, you know.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: I just he was just a guy in the group.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then a few years later, I did marry him.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, what the heck?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: How did that happen?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's funny because when I saw him at our next leadership group, I was like, oh, Mitch, ha ha ha ha.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: I said I was marrying you, and we like stuffed brownies in each other's faces.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: But truly, I was not interested in this guy.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: I really wasn't at all.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Some people said, Oh, you secretly were.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, I was not.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: And later I was just being funny with him.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: But then I married him, and years later I said to my pastor, what if I had said somebody else's name?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what would I have married someone else?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: But you guys, the thought was there, and so it went from, you know, no reality at all to reality.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: And the funny thing is, too, when I first met Mitch, a friend of mine said, you know, this guy, he's on Young Life staff.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: His name is Mitch, you know, and I was like, Oh, okay, let me connect with him, talk to him.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Young Life was a group I was a part of.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it turns out my friend was lying.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: He just wanted me to be friendly to Mitch.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: And this was before I didn't really like him at the time.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, I was friendly to him because I thought he was on Young Life staff.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: But then years later, Sina, Mitch went on Young Life staff.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is weird.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, but I was starting to see the relationship between what we think, what we say, and what happens, right?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to encourage you, and I'm really big on this, and I've learned a little bit of this from Dr.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bruce Lipton and Joe Dispenza, to create a mind movie of sorts, to start envisioning some things you might think could never happen because they can.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the more you envision it, it's like you're rewiring your brain.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's what Joe Dispenza says, and you're letting your body know this is how I'm living, this is what I see.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like I am working on a book.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, no publisher has picked it up just yet, but I'm envisioning it being in my hands, being in people's hands.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes in my gratitude journal, I'll write as if it already happened because when you do that, it lets your body know, it lets the universe know and the world know, even by my saying I'm working on a book.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I like to imagine it's already done and it'll be in people's hands soon, you know?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's kind of fun because it's like a game of taking something that might seem impossible and bringing it into the realm of possibilities.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the more you do this, the more it seems to happen all the time.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just amazing.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm speaking at Paleo FX in April and I'm like, whoa, like I'm on the stage with Joe Marcola and Ben Greenfield.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not really gonna be right next to them, but maybe one day I will, you know, because anything is possible.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I love this little game.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: For somebody watching us right now, they might say, you know what's impossible to me is having a pain-free life because my, you know, rheumatoid arthritis is getting to me.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Or what's impossible to me is having a better relationship with my spouse.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, guess what?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: You can start to change that with some of this work that Cena and I have been talking about, finding good relationships, get real, let your emotions flow, but also start to imagine a healthier you, a healthier relationship.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Picture what that would look like.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then that will be the first step in making this envisioning a reality.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so um I tell people, like you're saying, you envision, you envision what you want, you attach an elevated emotion to it.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: So, meaning like a happy emotion, you know, you attach gratitude for that new life that you've created, or you attach the feeling of joy and you you literally try to feel it with every ounce of your being, and that helps bring it into existence.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: And when you visualize it that way, because your your body doesn't know the difference, right?
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm visualizing something, uh, like if I have a memory that happened 20 years ago, or I'm envisioning something in my mind that I want to have happen, your body doesn't know the difference.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it happens in real time.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: So you can actually come rewire the brain, change your physiology and the biochemistry just by envisioning something that's healthy and healing for you and attaching that elevated emotion to it.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: And Joe Dispensa did that.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: He healed his spine after he became paralyzed.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, the car hit him when he was doing a triathlon, he was paralyzed and he envisioned the spine going back together and the emotions, the gratitude he felt for, you know, fully healing.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: And he was like back to he was walking and back to doing his training for another triathlon, like within three months or something crazy like that.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: When the doctors were like, you need surgery right now, and you may never walk again.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, No, he the power that created the body can heal the body, and that's exactly what you're talking about is that we do, we've all been given that power and that gift.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought that was an amazing thing to bring to this group of women, you know, to tell them you are so much more powerful than any of us really gives ourselves credit for, you know, and to just go for it.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: And speaking of going for it, so then I was like, you know what, we're gonna do something impossible right now.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that water uh was so freezing at the beach, but I was like, we're gonna get in.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it's just it's a mind hurdle.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you have to overcome.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're like, oh my gosh, it's too big to imagine a better relationship with my husband, maybe you could just start with like, what if I made him breakfast tomorrow?
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: What if I did something kind for him?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: So this is what this plunge in the icy water off of the Outer Bank speech was about.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: It was about doing one impossible thing to show us how so much is possible.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, I do cold therapy.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: I recommend that people get into it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: And some ladies were like, this is not what I want to do, but the power of community and intention made it a reality for some people who did not expect to find themselves in the icy water that day.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I didn't expect to find myself in the icy water, but you know, like with my my my voice is gone and I'm like, oh, you know, but I was like the first one to jump in, right?
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you were I was like people were talking about it, talking about it, and I was like, that's not my and my body doesn't do well with that.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: My body's like, go, go, you know, like once I once my instincts tell me something's right for me, I just go do it.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I actually just left and I just ran off into the water, like running after Cena.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I knew if I sat there, I might talk myself out of it.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: And my body, I checked in and my body said, go, you know, we're good to go.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like so we just ran.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it it was it was so healing, you know.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'd never done anything like that before.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: It was just, I was so grateful that you were one of the retreat leaders there.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that it really did help to create this felt sense of security and safety for the rest of us.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I also want to mention, not every woman got in, which was also okay.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe their body was telling them, I can't do this right now.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe they should be listening and standing there.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: So there was no judgment, just like you said, Zina, it was this supportive, accepting, beautiful place to be.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I do hope that anybody listening to today could be like, you know what, I'm not gonna wish I could go on a retreat and I'm gonna go on one.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not trying to just be like, go on, Robin Shirley's, take back your health.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing things at Polyface this May, you know, or June, and I am too.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: And there are many retreats we can do that can give us an idea of what's possible again and really lift our spirits.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: There was one lady on this retreat, she's like, I just come to every single one because she knows how important it is for her and good for her, right?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, yeah, let's find that community where we can be real and supported and accepted and loved.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: It it has inspired me in many ways.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and actually, one way is that Robin's asked me to be one of the retreat leaders in October.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going back out there.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's um October 24th through 28th.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'll put the link in the show description if anyone wants to look.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's back on the Outer Banks again.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: And she's asked me to teach about intuitive cooking and how to release stuck emotions.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, so I'll be leading the group in that.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm very excited.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: So if you guys want to come out and join me, I'll be there in October.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: But like Hilda's saying, you can you don't have to spend money on this on a retreat and like go someplace, just connect with community, whoever you feel is community, you know, in your local area, your churches, whatever, set the intention, right?
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: To connect.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if you don't have community, I love Hilda's exercise of envision it, you know, visualize it, attach that elevated emotion to it, and allow it to come into existence because you do truly create your own reality.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Hilda, I am so grateful that you came on the show.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's always a delight to have you.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: You're so filled with wisdom and practical tips to share with us.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's really a treat.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have any last words you want to share with us?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just that this emotional component to well-being is more important than we may have ever realized.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: So here we are, popping supplements, and let me follow this, you know, health influencer person.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: This emotional component is really important.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: So take time, as Cena and I both do, to listen to your body, to respect yourself, to tap into that intuition for an idea of how to spend your day, how to spend your time, and so that you can be well from the inside out.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Hilda, for coming on the show.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: We love you as always, and we look forward to the next time you visit with us.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Same, Cena.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: Love you too, my friend.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, bye, everybody.