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- 1:10Speaker 1: What's up Ember one? Tyler Tambaline here aka Totag and
- 1:13Speaker 1: Tambou back for Week three where everything's free. We'll talk
- 1:17Speaker 1: about that in a minute. But I got my guys,
- 1:19Speaker 1: Hoopster and title here with me, ready to break it
- 1:21Speaker 1: all down. Got the Jets, Patriots, Thursday Night football. We're
- 1:24Speaker 1: kicking off week three. The chat our guy Hebrews in there,
- 1:27Speaker 1: coming off a big one hundred KSE score. We got
- 1:29Speaker 1: Marley going. We put that up off the top. But
- 1:31Speaker 1: every time we bring those beats, we bring the six
- 1:33Speaker 1: figure winners. We got these hunderd k scores, and we're
- 1:35Speaker 1: hoping that week three is no different. We're gonna kick
- 1:37Speaker 1: it off, Hoopster. I'll go to you first. Got a
- 1:39Speaker 1: kicker in D game tonight. Everybody says it's gotta be
- 1:43Speaker 1: gotta be a kicker and defense showdown slay. But we'll
- 1:45Speaker 1: get to that and more. What's going on, man, how's
- 1:47Speaker 1: your week three starting off?
- 1:48Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they say. My week three starting off
- 1:50Speaker 2: a hell of a lot better with that that beat, man,
- 1:52Speaker 2: I thought, I mean, there's so much base in that song.
- 1:55Speaker 2: I thought my AirPods were gonna blow up in my ear.
- 1:57Speaker 2: I mean, that was that gets you moving a little bit.
- 2:00Speaker 2: That was definitely the solid These tunes are what gets
- 2:03Speaker 2: me going, not necessarily the Week three football, but no
- 2:05Speaker 2: excited to regardless. I mean, yeah, you look at it
- 2:07Speaker 2: on paper, it doesn't look like a fun game between
- 2:10Speaker 2: the Jets and the Patriots. Low total Jets basically seven
- 2:14Speaker 2: point favorites, but I mean big prize pools across the industry.
- 2:18Speaker 2: The goal is, it doesn't matter how ugly the game is,
- 2:21Speaker 2: to find the path to the top. And like you said,
- 2:24Speaker 2: in these showdown slits, our team has found the way
- 2:28Speaker 2: to the top very frequently, with our guy Big Marley
- 2:32Speaker 2: week one winning one hundred thousand dollars and then obviously
- 2:35Speaker 2: Hebrew Cheetah taking down one hundred thousand dollars. You absolutely
- 2:39Speaker 2: love to see it too. Hardest working guys in this
- 2:41Speaker 2: industry just grind, grind, grind. They don't make excuses like
- 2:44Speaker 2: you don't hear them complaining about shit. They just get
- 2:46Speaker 2: to work, get the job done, and they both paid
- 2:49Speaker 2: it off in a big way on these showdowns slits
- 2:52Speaker 2: one in Week one, one in week two. Love to
- 2:54Speaker 2: see it, and we're going to work hard and find
- 2:56Speaker 2: a way in that winner Circle for week three.
- 2:59Speaker 1: Yeah, excited to get back to it hopefully. One of
- 3:01Speaker 1: us title last year this time was I think you
- 3:04Speaker 1: kicked it off with like eighty one K two to
- 3:05Speaker 1: get the season rolling as well. So lots of big
- 3:08Speaker 1: Showdown hits across the board at Ship in Nation. We'll
- 3:10Speaker 1: get more on that in a second, but title bring
- 3:12Speaker 1: you in Man, Jets, Patriots. I know it's not the best,
- 3:15Speaker 1: but these games can sometimes go one way or the other,
- 3:18Speaker 1: and that's the benefit and the fun stuff about Showdown. Right,
- 3:20Speaker 1: You're able to build for us a script. Maybe you
- 3:22Speaker 1: want to split your entries up tonight to sort of
- 3:24Speaker 1: see how that happens. But I'm going to talk more
- 3:25Speaker 1: about that when we get there. I think there's also
- 3:27Speaker 1: ways you can build tonight, regardless of over under to
- 3:30Speaker 1: find your way around. How you doing, my friend, what's
- 3:31Speaker 1: going on?
- 3:32Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 3:33Speaker 3: Doing well?
- 3:33Speaker 4: I mean, this is the first primetime game this year
- 3:36Speaker 4: that is like, ew, this is a gross one. We've
- 3:38Speaker 4: had good ones, but for Showdown, like you're talking, that
- 3:41Speaker 4: could be good because at the end of the day,
- 3:43Speaker 4: if Pop Douglas was the highest score in the game,
- 3:46Speaker 4: like would anyone be shot? No? And that can lead
- 3:48Speaker 4: to a lot of unique teams five hundred k up top.
- 3:51Speaker 4: No one really wants to play the quarterbacks, Like how
- 3:53Speaker 4: many games do you have both sides where it's like, man,
- 3:56Speaker 4: I don't want to play quarterback captain. You can get
- 3:58Speaker 4: away with no quarter back teams. That always adds an
- 4:01Speaker 4: interesting dynamic under forty point totals. So yeah, five to
- 4:06Speaker 4: one jets popping a decent amount four two jets.
- 4:09Speaker 3: So it's an interesting Well, I'm excited to talk about it.
- 4:11Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll break it all down when we get there. Said,
- 4:13Speaker 1: shut up the GK fight for me. Talk about just
- 4:15Speaker 1: owning the barbershop walking in, tell them you gotta put
- 4:18Speaker 1: this on. My boys are on. I was hitting up
- 4:20Speaker 1: the barber shop today too, my friends. So it's a
- 4:22Speaker 1: good day to get the job done, get a fresh outline.
- 4:24Speaker 1: You all set the go, so appreciate it. The like
- 4:27Speaker 1: what's ahead looking Clean's funny fresh. Got to get a
- 4:30Speaker 1: fresh going to the president stuff in Montreal next week.
- 4:33Speaker 1: So got it out of the way now, so can
- 4:35Speaker 1: get focused and dialed in for that. That should be a
- 4:37Speaker 1: fun week ahead.
- 4:38Speaker 2: So hey, my barber is saying he's very into like
- 4:41Speaker 2: the fantasy stuff. The sports betting stuff, the survivor pools,
- 4:44Speaker 2: so like, this is my favorite favorite time of year
- 4:47Speaker 2: to get in there and get a fresh cut. I
- 4:48Speaker 2: might go, you know a little more frequently. It's a
- 4:50Speaker 2: good conversation to have, you know.
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- 5:35Speaker 1: of other sports on the go, upcoming President's Cup next
- 5:37Speaker 1: week I can talk to about For golf, there's always Mma, NASCAR, Baseball,
- 5:41Speaker 1: still grinding. Shout out to all the shippers. Last night
- 5:44Speaker 1: the discord was full and our guy Mark F last
- 5:47Speaker 1: night too, back to business. He won another sixty k
- 5:50Speaker 1: or something fifty sixty k, so big night for him.
- 5:52Speaker 1: Shout out to Mark F. Another big one there, hoop.
- 5:55Speaker 1: Anything to add on that. Anybody can go take advantage
- 5:57Speaker 1: that ends today, by the way, so I just let
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- 8:05Speaker 1: the Stone. You got the dry run Hoop if they're
- 8:07Speaker 1: asking what that means. Anybody new watching in Hoop is
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- 8:35Speaker 2: Go ahead, hoop, yep, all right, got it up there,
- 8:37Speaker 2: Good to go. All right. So no, not much of
- 8:40Speaker 2: a surpriser, to be honest with you. When you start
- 8:42Speaker 2: looking at projections, you start looking at numbers. This is
- 8:45Speaker 2: the Captain. So I just ran at one hundred and
- 8:47Speaker 2: fifty and again, this is part of my process. We're
- 8:50Speaker 2: not just doing this for the show's sake. This is
- 8:52Speaker 2: what I do every showdown site. I go in and
- 8:55Speaker 2: I might come in and X out some guys I
- 8:57Speaker 2: know that I'm not playing. There's guys in here that
- 8:59Speaker 2: are projected for like point one or some I might
- 9:01Speaker 2: just take those guys out before I do this. I
- 9:03Speaker 2: didn't do it in this scenario. But none of them
- 9:05Speaker 2: are showing. As you know, plays that are popping up
- 9:09Speaker 2: too frequently. So I have Captain highlighted here. We're getting
- 9:13Speaker 2: Breece Hall at a forty percent rate. His projected ownership
- 9:16Speaker 2: twenty seven, kind of what you'd expect. Like he's gonna
- 9:19Speaker 2: be very popular in the Captain spot tonight. There's just
- 9:23Speaker 2: not many high ceiling, high upside guys. There's not many
- 9:27Speaker 2: big really, this is all based on projections. There's not
- 9:29Speaker 2: many guys that are projected for a big number. So
- 9:32Speaker 2: despite Breese Hall having the expensive price tag, he's still
- 9:36Speaker 2: showing up here forty percent. Next guy is Garrett Wilson,
- 9:40Speaker 2: and he's shown up at twenty one percent. Aaron Rodgers fourteen.
- 9:45Speaker 2: Remandre is coming in at nine. It's gonna be higher.
- 9:49Speaker 2: His ownership is gonna be higher than nine. This is
- 9:52Speaker 2: just the dry run. The reason why he's probably only
- 9:54Speaker 2: nine is because it's getting Breece Hall a ton Breese
- 9:58Speaker 2: Hall is projected. Let's see, we have Breese Hall projected
- 10:03Speaker 2: a little bit higher. Let me back out of here
- 10:05Speaker 2: real quick. Our projection on. Yeah, so it's like a
- 10:10Speaker 2: four point difference between Stevenson and Breese Hall. So that's
- 10:14Speaker 2: why you're seeing the big difference between between those two.
- 10:19Speaker 2: Just go ahead, I'm just going to rerun this just
- 10:22Speaker 2: because I refreshed. I just wanted to make sure that
- 10:24Speaker 2: nothing significantly changed. I don't think it did. So it's sixty,
- 10:30Speaker 2: all right, cancel that we're not going to do the rerun,
- 10:34Speaker 2: all right, So yeah, it changed a little bit. So
- 10:36Speaker 2: it's a Bree Saw forty two, Garrett Wilson eighteen, Aaron
- 10:39Speaker 2: Rodgers fifteen, Remandre twelve. Those four probably the highest. I'd
- 10:43Speaker 2: imagine Aaron Rodgers comes down a little bit and Remondre
- 10:48Speaker 2: probably bumps up a little bit. The main three are
- 10:50Speaker 2: gonna be Breese Hall, Garrett Wilson, and Stevenson go to
- 10:53Speaker 2: the flex. Garrett Wilson showing up a Ton bres Hall Tomorrow,
- 10:58Speaker 2: Douglas seven percent, this Polp guy thirty nine percent, Aaron
- 11:04Speaker 2: Rodgers thirty eight, Conklin thirty six, Antonio Gibson thirty five, Osbourney.
- 11:11Speaker 2: So there's a lot of uncomfortable players obviously, which we'll
- 11:13Speaker 2: get to as we as we talk through the slate,
- 11:16Speaker 2: But the main thing is Captain. It's going to be
- 11:18Speaker 2: those three. They're showing up here in the dry run.
- 11:20Speaker 2: If you go to flex, a lot of these cheaper
- 11:23Speaker 2: guys are showing up at a pretty high rate, almost
- 11:25Speaker 2: double what their projected ownership is, so kind of what
- 11:28Speaker 2: you'd expect here to be honest.
- 11:31Speaker 1: Yeah, title you got anything with that that you want
- 11:32Speaker 1: to add on and then if you don't, you can
- 11:34Speaker 1: start taking us into sort of some of the captains
- 11:36Speaker 1: you're thinking about and what you're seeing. Hoop, I can
- 11:38Speaker 1: probably just pull up the stone now so we can
- 11:40Speaker 1: look at it there if it lets me. But let's
- 11:42Speaker 1: see here, just go back to it at this stage. Yeah,
- 11:46Speaker 1: it should be good and yeah, go ahead, title take over.
- 11:50Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 11:50Speaker 4: So it's like I mentioned at the top, it's an
- 11:52Speaker 4: interesting slate when we have under forty total six point spread,
- 11:56Speaker 4: two teams that like to run the football. I mean,
- 11:59Speaker 4: Jacoby Birt said, obviously is not someone you want to
- 12:01Speaker 4: drop back with thirty plus times if you don't need to.
- 12:05Speaker 4: Stevenson's been an absolute workhorse running back to start the year.
- 12:08Speaker 4: And on the other side, Rogers statues the right word
- 12:12Speaker 4: for him. I mean he literally looks like hand the
- 12:14Speaker 4: ball off to Breeze, play action, get it to Garrett Wilson,
- 12:17Speaker 4: nothing more than really a game manager. So that's why
- 12:20Speaker 4: you're seeing Breeze, Garrett Wilson and Stevenson's captain ownership by
- 12:24Speaker 4: far the highest over fifty percent, Like those three combined
- 12:27Speaker 4: could be sixty sixty five percent in the captain spot.
- 12:33Speaker 3: Rightfully.
- 12:33Speaker 4: So I mean minus won sixty five Breese to score
- 12:36Speaker 4: the next best plus one twenty Stevenson, plus one forty
- 12:39Speaker 4: five Wilson, everyone else north to plus three hundred.
- 12:43Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean.
- 12:44Speaker 4: They're gonna be my highest owned captains for sure. But
- 12:47Speaker 4: I do think you can get crazy a captain low
- 12:50Speaker 4: scoring games. Hunter Henry last week absolutely dominated the price
- 12:54Speaker 4: takes seventy eight hundred now way up there, so he's ownership.
- 12:58Speaker 4: You see nineteen in the flex and half at captain.
- 13:01Speaker 4: I mean he can go out there. If he replicates
- 13:03Speaker 4: what he did last week, he could be on the captain.
- 13:06Speaker 4: I want guys that I think can get one hundred
- 13:08Speaker 4: plus yards and a touchdown, so it's gonna be skill
- 13:10Speaker 4: position players two percent. Henry is someone that I'll take
- 13:13Speaker 4: a little shot on. Pot Douglas forty two hundred and
- 13:17Speaker 4: Polk four k. I think the most likely by far. Polk,
- 13:21Speaker 4: the rookie had a good game last week, was getting
- 13:23Speaker 4: hyped up a little bit. He has a one hundred plus
- 13:25Speaker 4: yard upside touchdown. The Mario Douglass was the number one
- 13:28Speaker 4: receiver last year. Definitely coming off with a zero target
- 13:32Speaker 4: or a zero catch game was complaining great price tag.
- 13:36Speaker 4: I think he has one hundred plus yards and a
- 13:38Speaker 4: touch on upside. Those two are definitely the other guys.
- 13:41Speaker 4: I'll be looking to get different at Captain, but other
- 13:43Speaker 4: than that, I want my guys to get fifteen plus
- 13:46Speaker 4: even if they're cheap.
- 13:47Speaker 3: At Captain.
- 13:48Speaker 4: Mike Williams is back in the mix, so that dots
- 13:50Speaker 4: Blizard and Williams a little bit. Compton's done nothing this year,
- 13:54Speaker 4: so I really think it's Breese, Garrett Wilson on the
- 13:57Speaker 4: Jets side, very concentrated, and then on the Patriots side
- 14:01Speaker 4: Stevenson's been a workhorse. But I think my secondary really
- 14:04Speaker 4: low owned captains are going to come from that side.
- 14:07Speaker 3: Maybe mainly Henry Polk and Douglas.
- 14:10Speaker 4: As you see you get three percent of them, you're
- 14:12Speaker 4: with the fielder overweight, so it doesn't take much.
- 14:15Speaker 1: Yeah, Hoop, you have something to add. I know you
- 14:17Speaker 1: did the dry rum, but what's your actual take on it?
- 14:19Speaker 1: Because this is showing to titles point like our even
- 14:22Speaker 1: on our initial run, we know where the ownership's going.
- 14:24Speaker 1: At Captain, it's Breese, it's Garrett Wilson, it's Ramandre Stevenson,
- 14:28Speaker 1: and then it sort of drops off a cliff from there,
- 14:29Speaker 1: and you can get different whatever way you want from
- 14:32Speaker 1: that point. So how are you seeing it shaken out
- 14:33Speaker 1: starting things off at captain?
- 14:35Speaker 2: Yeah, it's clearly you know those three. I mean, if
- 14:38Speaker 2: you're gonna bet money on who is the highest scoring
- 14:41Speaker 2: fantasy player in this game, like, it's probably that the
- 14:45Speaker 2: heavy favorites would be one of those three. Breese Hall
- 14:49Speaker 2: would be the probably number one favorite, and then Remandre
- 14:53Speaker 2: and Garrett Wilson would be similar similar odds. The first
- 14:59Speaker 2: thing that stands out if you're playing one of those three,
- 15:01Speaker 2: it's like be willing to leave a lot of salary
- 15:04Speaker 2: on the table, like you just have to. And again
- 15:06Speaker 2: we talked about all the time that question always gets
- 15:08Speaker 2: brought up. Can I leave? You can always do leave
- 15:10Speaker 2: salar at the table for showdown, but a game like this,
- 15:13Speaker 2: it's almost you want to actively go that route. And
- 15:16Speaker 2: then you're looking for high upside guys. Hunter Henry coming
- 15:20Speaker 2: off a twelve target game. What are we showing his
- 15:23Speaker 2: captain ownership at you scroll up a little bit there, Yeah,
- 15:28Speaker 2: that's like a suit the guy that just got twelve
- 15:30Speaker 2: targets showing up you know, three percent. I think that's
- 15:34Speaker 2: a solid option. Mike Williams flyer played sixty percent of
- 15:40Speaker 2: line sixty percent of snaps last week. That's probably just
- 15:42Speaker 2: gonna go up even more this week. It's going to
- 15:45Speaker 2: have big games. Aaron Rodgers definitely willing to take the shots. Imagine,
- 15:50Speaker 2: you know, if he gets the defense to jump off side,
- 15:52Speaker 2: which he's the best in the league, and he gets
- 15:54Speaker 2: opportunity just to throw just throw a bomb, which he
- 15:56Speaker 2: does better than any one of these scenarios, and it
- 15:59Speaker 2: goes to Mike Williams like he could do it. Odds
- 16:02Speaker 2: are this is a low scoring showdown, so you can
- 16:04Speaker 2: do some different different things. But yeah, I mean those
- 16:08Speaker 2: three are gonna be heavily involved in my process, Garrett Wilson,
- 16:13Speaker 2: Breeze Hall, and Ramondre Stevenson. But I'll just be looking
- 16:16Speaker 2: to do things a little bit different in those teams.
- 16:18Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me is and
- 16:20Speaker 1: it'll spoil the whole thing if we do it, because
- 16:22Speaker 1: the Chat now knows. The Chat, by the way, did
- 16:24Speaker 1: win the first time all season last game. They got
- 16:27Speaker 1: it right, They got the side and the over under.
- 16:30Speaker 1: If I do my big spiel here and then ask
- 16:33Speaker 1: is the game going over under. Everyone's gonna say over
- 16:36Speaker 1: and be like, oh, everyone's overthinking it. Da da da
- 16:38Speaker 1: da da kah. But I guarantee you if we just
- 16:40Speaker 1: ran it off the top a poll, put it on
- 16:42Speaker 1: Twitter x what everyone call it, and put nothing, everybody
- 16:45Speaker 1: would take the under. Everyone's talking shit. This game's gonna suck.
- 16:48Speaker 1: There's no way there's fantasy points whatever. Maybe not, probably not.
- 16:51Speaker 1: Don't care. Love this slate for Showdown. I'm way more
- 16:53Speaker 1: fired up than the other night. I think one of
- 16:54Speaker 1: the biggest things is these three captains being so condensed.
- 16:58Speaker 1: The thing about the Jets is they're not even condensed
- 17:01Speaker 1: at all. Mike Williams is back. Now, you got Breis Hall,
- 17:03Speaker 1: you got Wilson, you got Lazard who's been in the
- 17:05Speaker 1: mix and already helping them. You've got Williams, You've got
- 17:08Speaker 1: Conklin Kickers defense. There's all kinds of stuff going on.
- 17:11Speaker 1: I actually have love for Rogers in the captain spot
- 17:13Speaker 1: tonight because of that. A guy that spreads it out
- 17:16Speaker 1: may even run one. If he gets down there in close.
- 17:18Speaker 1: He's perfect leverage off of Breeze Hall if he does
- 17:20Speaker 1: do that. So Rogers with two pass catchers, especially with
- 17:23Speaker 1: these guys back or flipping some of the pass catchers in,
- 17:26Speaker 1: like a Mike Williams or a Conklin if you want
- 17:28Speaker 1: to go a little bit cheaper. And then up top,
- 17:30Speaker 1: I'm definitely popping some Douglas into my lineups. And this
- 17:33Speaker 1: guy Jalen Polk, no joke, I'm putting him in there too.
- 17:36Speaker 1: So I like these two guys up top more than
- 17:38Speaker 1: I like Romandre and Henry. I like Rogers, Williams, Conklin.
- 17:43Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going here too. Here's the other thing. Oh,
- 17:45Speaker 1: kickers in D gonna be way more popular tonight. They are,
- 17:49Speaker 1: But guess where they're not popular up top? Guess where
- 17:51Speaker 1: whether it's a high you know, if it's a low
- 17:53Speaker 1: scoring game, but you have high targets and you know
- 17:57Speaker 1: PPR points and that sort of stuff, fitting in like
- 18:00Speaker 1: a Patriots or a Jets D and allowing you to
- 18:02Speaker 1: stack all these fantasy points up down the middle. I
- 18:05Speaker 1: personally love that. So yeah, I'm fired up for this
- 18:07Speaker 1: one more than most. I think everyone just thinks they
- 18:09Speaker 1: know exactly what's gonna happen. When that happens, people don't
- 18:12Speaker 1: know shit. They don't know anything. And it's the complete opposite.
- 18:15Speaker 1: You couldn't ask for a better slate, and especially if
- 18:17Speaker 1: you build in sets like I do, where you're gonna
- 18:20Speaker 1: build some for this and some for that. It doesn't
- 18:23Speaker 1: mean I won't have these Breeze Halls and Stevenson's. I'm
- 18:25Speaker 1: not riding both sides of the fence. I'm just saying
- 18:27Speaker 1: I'll be severely underweight or at field to be able
- 18:30Speaker 1: to make sure I can get these guys where even
- 18:32Speaker 1: if a Pope gets to five percent or you know,
- 18:36Speaker 1: Henry gets to four or five percent whatever, I'm still
- 18:39Speaker 1: gonna be fine. I'm gonna be same or overweight and
- 18:42Speaker 1: be able to get different there from that. So I
- 18:43Speaker 1: just think the Jets side is, you know, being said
- 18:47Speaker 1: that it's Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson and that's the
- 18:49Speaker 1: whole game. That's just not true. Look at the board.
- 18:51Speaker 1: There's definitely other guys, and Mike Williams more healthy now too.
- 18:55Speaker 1: You know the Patriots, I forget that one corner is
- 18:57Speaker 1: and I'm not a big matchup Sky, but I'm just
- 18:58Speaker 1: saying there is a scenario where they just sort of
- 19:00Speaker 1: force that in. If it is ugly, some of these
- 19:03Speaker 1: other guys could just rack up those catches, or you
- 19:05Speaker 1: could see where a guy like Polk or Douglass, even
- 19:08Speaker 1: without Brissett, ends up in the mix at the top
- 19:12Speaker 1: at the end of the game because of the other
- 19:13Speaker 1: options to just rack up the fantasy points in between.
- 19:16Speaker 1: So title, I'll kick it over to you first. But
- 19:18Speaker 1: anything else you want to add just to those thoughts,
- 19:20Speaker 1: I certainly have that that's a guy Christian Gonzalez. Again,
- 19:22Speaker 1: whatever he actually does, who knows. But my point is
- 19:25Speaker 1: because I'm not worried about that stuff, as you know,
- 19:27Speaker 1: but if that just adds another bonus point in there
- 19:30Speaker 1: that maybe it could be these other guys. I just
- 19:32Speaker 1: you know, if you're building with just three captains, to
- 19:34Speaker 1: my good luck, but I got a feel and there's
- 19:35Speaker 1: gonna be other guys in the mix.
- 19:38Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 19:38Speaker 4: No, I love how you're on the same page with Pop,
- 19:40Speaker 4: Douglas and Polk, two guys that I think have slave
- 19:43Speaker 4: breaking upside. The Rogers stuff. I mean, you don't got
- 19:46Speaker 4: to twist my arm anytime you're saying low own Rogers
- 19:48Speaker 4: and captain like we're showing eight and a half percent,
- 19:51Speaker 4: I bet you that's like five percent. Yeah, he has
- 19:53Speaker 4: not showed so five. I mean you're talking them up. Yeah,
- 19:57Speaker 4: I'm it. Like I said, you don't kind of twist
- 19:59Speaker 4: my arm to play some a I'm a low scoring game.
- 20:01Speaker 4: He does throw three touchdowns to three different players, and
- 20:04Speaker 4: he's gonna be low on, so I can see that.
- 20:06Speaker 3: Other than that, no, I won't again.
- 20:09Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be playing I'm not one fifty, but
- 20:11Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be playing kickers d.
- 20:13Speaker 3: I think I'll play pot Dug. Get overweight on pop,
- 20:16Speaker 3: get overweight on Polk.
- 20:19Speaker 4: I like Henry a little bit still at two and
- 20:21Speaker 4: a half three, but maybe that two and.
- 20:23Speaker 3: A halfs like four percent.
- 20:24Speaker 4: After lest Yeah he still yeah him, And then I
- 20:28Speaker 4: will say I'm a little lower.
- 20:29Speaker 3: I'm Conklin a little lower at the Lizard.
- 20:32Speaker 4: I like the Mike Mike Williams today though in the
- 20:35Speaker 4: Captain like he I it feels like with Mike back
- 20:38Speaker 4: in the rotation and Lizard now competing with another good player,
- 20:42Speaker 4: like does he have that week one upside?
- 20:44Speaker 3: I don't know, So I probably won't get there the Captain, but.
- 20:47Speaker 1: I get it the the other thing hoop and I'll
- 20:49Speaker 1: go to you on it is just the what was
- 20:51Speaker 1: it gonna say? The the the Josh Allen and James Cook,
- 20:56Speaker 1: Like remember that game where like you're doing the complete
- 20:58Speaker 1: opposite of that. Now, if it's just it's gonna be
- 21:00Speaker 1: this with Breese Hall, that would be the spot to
- 21:02Speaker 1: go because I think people are confused again too. They
- 21:04Speaker 1: have a twenty two and a half point total. They
- 21:06Speaker 1: can score three touchdowns where Aaron Rodgers throws two and
- 21:10Speaker 1: sneaks one in and he absolutely smashes and it could
- 21:13Speaker 1: still end up being a twenty one to fourteen shitty game.
- 21:16Speaker 1: It's like, that's my point of that. So when you're
- 21:18Speaker 1: seeing these type of deltas, we'll see how it actually
- 21:20Speaker 1: shakes out at the end of the day when the
- 21:21Speaker 1: ownership comes in, when the slate locks. But for me,
- 21:24Speaker 1: I at least have some excitement in being able to
- 21:26Speaker 1: go into the slate, what the results are and people
- 21:28Speaker 1: come back. If Rogers sucks, oh you're an idiot, he sucked,
- 21:31Speaker 1: I don't care. That's all the slates. We've been talking
- 21:33Speaker 1: about this in discord for two weeks now. It's a
- 21:35Speaker 1: whole season. If you're playing Showdown for the entire season,
- 21:38Speaker 1: eighteen weeks, you're probably losing like forty slates. If you're
- 21:42Speaker 1: doing it right because or more because you're playing to
- 21:45Speaker 1: win at least what I'm doing, like trying to get
- 21:46Speaker 1: like my guy Hebrew Cheetah the other night, my guy
- 21:48Speaker 1: Marley last week. All the members that are having these
- 21:50Speaker 1: big ships, it's you're trying to get there for all
- 21:53Speaker 1: the money. So I'm gonna go down on this ship
- 21:56Speaker 1: to find the rocket ship to the top. So that's
- 21:58Speaker 1: just the way I look at it. But whopall, like
- 22:00Speaker 1: you take over anything you want to add there.
- 22:02Speaker 2: Yeah, just another piece on the Jets side that got
- 22:05Speaker 2: more involved last week was that Braylen Allen. Uh seven
- 22:08Speaker 2: carries and I think two receptions, yeah, four targets, so
- 22:13Speaker 2: like he was heavily involved. So that's another guy to
- 22:17Speaker 2: add to the case for like a Rogers Rogers Captain,
- 22:19Speaker 2: where you know, if you play Rogers Captain, you want
- 22:22Speaker 2: it spread out a lot of different ways. Allen for
- 22:25Speaker 2: for targets. So I don't hate the Rogers Captain, and
- 22:28Speaker 2: I agree, I think it's probably closer to like the
- 22:30Speaker 2: five percent number opposed to the the eight or nine,
- 22:33Speaker 2: So very easy uh to to get leverage on that
- 22:38Speaker 2: that sort of play. So that was the only other
- 22:40Speaker 2: thing that I wanted wanted to add. And you know
- 22:43Speaker 2: a lot of times when everyone just thinks it's going
- 22:45Speaker 2: to be an ugly, nasty game. I can't remember last
- 22:48Speaker 2: year it was like a Bears game or something, and
- 22:49Speaker 2: it was just looks so gross and everyone just automatically
- 22:52Speaker 2: assumed it's going to be an ugly one and go
- 22:54Speaker 2: go a way under which this could happen here. But
- 22:57Speaker 2: a lot of times, man, on these island games, these
- 23:00Speaker 2: games kind of just pop off in a weird way.
- 23:02Speaker 2: And I wouldn't think it was Patriots, was it? Yeah,
- 23:04Speaker 2: it was it Bear. I think it was Bear's Patriots
- 23:06Speaker 2: or there's something super gross. It's like the lowest total
- 23:08Speaker 2: of all. It wasn't like a twenty nine total, right,
- 23:10Speaker 2: it was like a twenty nine or three.
- 23:12Speaker 3: It was bad Steeler. It was something down there like that.
- 23:16Speaker 3: I know what you're talking.
- 23:17Speaker 2: The game went off and it can happen. It can
- 23:19Speaker 2: definitely happen. So you know, building as if this is
- 23:23Speaker 2: a shootout, I don't think is the worst thing in
- 23:25Speaker 2: the world.
- 23:26Speaker 1: And the other thing too, is like I said on
- 23:28Speaker 1: the last show, and it worked somewhat like that, you
- 23:29Speaker 1: could still get away with it on this one. For
- 23:31Speaker 1: sure though, is you can build in a bunch of
- 23:33Speaker 1: these just you know, the volume studs or whatever you
- 23:35Speaker 1: want to call them. If you're putting in the you know,
- 23:37Speaker 1: the Garrett Wilson's Henry getting all those targets, if you
- 23:40Speaker 1: think Polke's involved, if you get Stevenson in there, like
- 23:43Speaker 1: you know, if you could play no quarterbacks in some
- 23:44Speaker 1: lineups as well and just landed and on an undergame,
- 23:48Speaker 1: a severe undergame, it could happen on an overgame that
- 23:51Speaker 1: could still be part of it as well. I'd get
- 23:53Speaker 1: Rogers into some of those overgames though, for sure, because
- 23:55Speaker 1: that's going to be, like I said, him probably throwing
- 23:57Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns running one in, maybe throwing three
- 24:00Speaker 1: instead of running one in, whatever that might be. And yeah,
- 24:02Speaker 1: go ahead, whoever pulled this up, Yeah, would you too?
- 24:05Speaker 3: Hold on though, I'm taking my victory lap.
- 24:07Speaker 4: That's Patriots Steelers patri twenty eight points scorer in the
- 24:12Speaker 4: first twenty one to eighteen was a score.
- 24:14Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a memory. Who come over things?
- 24:16Speaker 2: That means I thought it was I thought it was
- 24:19Speaker 2: the Bears, right, the Bears, and I couldn't remember the
- 24:21Speaker 2: other teams, so I didn't.
- 24:22Speaker 3: Always remember stuff that actually matters.
- 24:25Speaker 2: Literally, I didn't even have I didn't even I have
- 24:27Speaker 2: one team, right, but you knew what I was talking about.
- 24:29Speaker 3: That that's an important part.
- 24:30Speaker 2: That's why, that's why we do these shows with the
- 24:32Speaker 2: you know, two and three man booth, so you can
- 24:34Speaker 2: get each other's back. But wherever that kind of was,
- 24:37Speaker 2: if you're playing the script that this is going to
- 24:39Speaker 2: be a low scoring game, I'm totally fine with Hall
- 24:41Speaker 2: and Allen in the same lineups. Like if it is
- 24:44Speaker 2: an ugly, nasty game, ten eleven fantasy points can be
- 24:49Speaker 2: in the optimal so Breis Hall goes off, gets his
- 24:52Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, they have a big lead, Allen comes
- 24:56Speaker 2: in and gets ten or eleven, and in garbage. If
- 24:59Speaker 2: you can play the scenario in your head, I think
- 25:00Speaker 2: it's doable. You know, how many of these teams I have,
- 25:04Speaker 2: I will I have? I don't know. But if you
- 25:06Speaker 2: think it's a gross, ugly, low scoring, grinded out type game,
- 25:10Speaker 2: that's where this sort of play is more viable.
- 25:13Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see Breese Hall here and our stuff,
- 25:15Speaker 1: you know, we simulate it out with our projections, these salaries,
- 25:18Speaker 1: this slate. We've got him in the captain optimal the
- 25:20Speaker 1: most by a mile, and that makes sense. But that's
- 25:23Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I can still get like twenty
- 25:24Speaker 1: five percent twenty percent play a decent chunk of them,
- 25:28Speaker 1: still get him in different ways, feel good about it,
- 25:30Speaker 1: and then be able to move it around. I just
- 25:32Speaker 1: if you're playing this much of Breese Hall, me personally,
- 25:35Speaker 1: I would want some of this Aaron Rodgers love because
- 25:38Speaker 1: if it's not going through Hall, it can definitely be
- 25:41Speaker 1: a situation where it's spread out of shit. He was
- 25:43Speaker 1: even throwing. He threw a touchdown to Hall last week.
- 25:45Speaker 1: That was pretty insane catch actually from Breese Hall that
- 25:48Speaker 1: would probably put like I said, most wide receivers on blast.
- 25:50Speaker 1: That was a nice catch from him. So I mean,
- 25:52Speaker 1: they can do it in a bunch of different ways here.
- 25:54Speaker 1: But I just don't get that this side is just
- 25:56Speaker 1: Brisall and Garrett Wilson anymore. When it's just not the case,
- 25:59Speaker 1: like Hoop said, way more involved, Mike Williams healthier. They
- 26:03Speaker 1: have other dudes that they might mess around with, just
- 26:04Speaker 1: to mess around with with Ruckert and some of these
- 26:06Speaker 1: guys not much. But if they do, there's other guys there.
- 26:09Speaker 1: I will say at least from you know, the point
- 26:12Speaker 1: of Monday Night Football Hoop was the it did not
- 26:15Speaker 1: end up being right. I know you were talking about
- 26:17Speaker 1: like if we haven't needed the two hundred dollars guys
- 26:18Speaker 1: and the cheap guys to get there, and obviously Britten,
- 26:20Speaker 1: Kobe or Covey got the job done, so we did
- 26:22Speaker 1: get to a slate like that. I do kind of
- 26:24Speaker 1: flip back on this slate as much as getting uniques
- 26:27Speaker 1: and they'll be into the mix. For me, it definitely
- 26:29Speaker 1: feels like you could stop at the kicker, the defense,
- 26:32Speaker 1: the you know, the pokes, the Douglass's, these guys, Like,
- 26:35Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like you need a bunch. Maybe you
- 26:37Speaker 1: get a Ruckert in there for eight hundred. It's one
- 26:39Speaker 1: or two guys though. I just don't see it being
- 26:41Speaker 1: a slate like that high or low scoring. I think
- 26:44Speaker 1: there's plenty of numbers that you can you can find
- 26:47Speaker 1: here within these sort of mid range guys. Anything else
- 26:49Speaker 1: going added the captain, Who.
- 26:51Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a good point. There's just that there.
- 26:53Speaker 2: We'll get into a little bit more outside of Captain,
- 26:56Speaker 2: but there's just not a ton of super cheap playable
- 26:58Speaker 2: guys on this slate In terms of the captain I
- 27:02Speaker 2: mean yeah, I mean it's it's you know, where a
- 27:05Speaker 2: large majority of the ownership's going. It's very very clear
- 27:08Speaker 2: and you can't really make the case against it. It's
- 27:10Speaker 2: going to be Breece Hall up top, it's going to
- 27:12Speaker 2: be Garrett Wilson, it's going to be Remandre Stevenson, and
- 27:15Speaker 2: that's probably going to be I don't know, sixty to
- 27:18Speaker 2: seventy percent of the captain spot like filled up right there,
- 27:21Speaker 2: so very easy to get leverage on anything else you
- 27:24Speaker 2: want to do. And it's a slate where just I
- 27:27Speaker 2: don't know, I don't think anything is too crazy in
- 27:29Speaker 2: terms of roster construction and how you build out these teams.
- 27:33Speaker 2: So it makes it way more interesting and exciting in
- 27:38Speaker 2: terms of, you know how this could potentially play out title.
- 27:42Speaker 1: I was thinking about that sort a second. But I
- 27:44Speaker 1: like him a lot in flex to be honest, Like,
- 27:46Speaker 1: I definitely think at thirty six hundred interesting. I don't
- 27:49Speaker 1: feel like he's a super punt and he's getting work.
- 27:51Speaker 1: We've got Marcus high upside for a reason, especially if
- 27:54Speaker 1: it's a lower scoring slate. It could be him coming
- 27:56Speaker 1: through on dumpoffs or anything like that, But any any
- 27:59Speaker 1: thoughts on this, and he asked about was Antonio Gibson captain.
- 28:03Speaker 3: Him and Brail and Allen.
- 28:04Speaker 4: I mean, it's the game of football with two starting
- 28:07Speaker 4: running backs that get a lot of touches. We've seen
- 28:09Speaker 4: injuries happen. You never want to like play for an injury.
- 28:12Speaker 4: But if you want a solo ship five hundred K,
- 28:15Speaker 4: you have the out where if an injury did happen,
- 28:17Speaker 4: you have a full RB one that's gonna get all
- 28:20Speaker 4: the work, catch passes, very low owned leverage off of
- 28:23Speaker 4: something popular.
- 28:24Speaker 3: And if Stevenson doesn't like Gibson's.
- 28:27Speaker 4: Plus four hundred to score, if he falls in twice
- 28:29Speaker 4: somehow catches three four balls at that price, what it
- 28:33Speaker 4: gets you, you still can get there. So like, if
- 28:36Speaker 4: you tell me three percent ownership for Gibson captain, you're
- 28:40Speaker 4: building twenty fifty teams you play one or two.
- 28:43Speaker 3: I think that's totally fine.
- 28:44Speaker 1: But yeaheah, I'm getting myself. As we talked through it,
- 28:48Speaker 1: we certainly like him in the flex or. I want
- 28:50Speaker 1: to answer Drea's question, like we do a FanDuel segment
- 28:53Speaker 1: at the end, I know you're you're our FanDuel girl,
- 28:55Speaker 1: and we love that and appreciate it, but FanDuel doesn't
- 28:57Speaker 1: appreciate us. So that's the problem with them. And I'll
- 28:59Speaker 1: tell you that here's the easiest answer. The reason these
- 29:02Speaker 1: leverage numbers would usually be pretty good on FanDuel even
- 29:05Speaker 1: though they're not for FanDuel is because FanDuel you have
- 29:07Speaker 1: ten thousand extra dollars. But again you'll have to compare
- 29:10Speaker 1: the pricing and look at it. Just do some math
- 29:12Speaker 1: on it if you want. In the back end, Like
- 29:14Speaker 1: if you're seeing who did we see the other day?
- 29:16Speaker 1: It was someone crazy that was like five It was
- 29:18Speaker 1: like twenty four hundred on DraftKings, but seven thousand dollars
- 29:21Speaker 1: on FanDuel. If you're finding that, then yeah, maybe not
- 29:24Speaker 1: the case, because there was legitimate, solid flex options on
- 29:27Speaker 1: DraftKings that were almost the same price on FanDuel. But
- 29:30Speaker 1: you would have to sort of cross reference it that
- 29:32Speaker 1: way to get an idea of pricing on both sites,
- 29:35Speaker 1: like Hunter Henry seventy eight hundred on DraftKings, eleven k
- 29:39Speaker 1: on FanDuel. If that Antonio gives the prices, right, that's
- 29:42Speaker 1: the type of stuff I'm talking about that's insane, right,
- 29:44Speaker 1: Like when you can just get another guy got whatever
- 29:46Speaker 1: the targets he's been getting and all that stuff. So
- 29:48Speaker 1: you do got to do some cross referencing. But that's
- 29:51Speaker 1: the value of the stone. It's right there in front
- 29:52Speaker 1: of you where you can keep it on one page. Again,
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- 29:56Speaker 1: Just gonna put this up because it does end tonight
- 29:58Speaker 1: at midnight. We're not messing around it a forty eight
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- 30:06Speaker 1: and more for free. So all right, hoop, let's go
- 30:09Speaker 1: to quarterback. Brissett has not been talked about at all.
- 30:12Speaker 1: I already did a rant on Aaron Rodgers. I think
- 30:15Speaker 1: we know where we're at on him and the capability,
- 30:17Speaker 1: but thoughts on Jacoby Brissett doesn't sound like there's any
- 30:20Speaker 1: love for him at all. But he'll still be somewhat owned.
- 30:23Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean zero interests obviously in the captain spot
- 30:27Speaker 2: for me, but in the in the flex yeah, totally fine.
- 30:30Speaker 2: Me showing what thirty percent ownership quarterback. He's going to
- 30:34Speaker 2: be on the field basically, you know he's gonna be
- 30:37Speaker 2: on the field every offensive play. For an offense thirty
- 30:40Speaker 2: percent owned. I'll be overweight on him in the flex
- 30:42Speaker 2: and feel pretty good about it. Aaron Rodgers. I feel
- 30:45Speaker 2: like we're all kind of on the same page in
- 30:48Speaker 2: regards to Aaron Rodgers. Definitely good with him in the
- 30:50Speaker 2: Captain like we talked about, and then clearly a very
- 30:53Speaker 2: strong flex play as well. So nothing too crazy here.
- 30:57Speaker 2: I mean for me personally, I'll be over on the
- 31:01Speaker 2: If that's the real number.
- 31:02Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get the real numbers closer to lock. Our guy,
- 31:04Speaker 1: Caddy said, could have sworn. I saw a ship a
- 31:06Speaker 1: T shirt in the Ironman coming up Maryland, and this
- 31:09Speaker 1: week he does a lot of these big marathon runs
- 31:11Speaker 1: and stuff like that. We've sent him some gear. He's
- 31:13Speaker 1: been rocking it. But he said, even during Ironman's we
- 31:16Speaker 1: have gambling on our mind. Not not just a brand name, Caddy,
- 31:18Speaker 1: it's a lifestyle. So you can ship anything, right. You
- 31:21Speaker 1: can ship the card game against your eighty year old
- 31:23Speaker 1: granny in the wheelchair. If you want there, you go hoop.
- 31:25Speaker 1: We'll bring it back for you one time. But you
- 31:27Speaker 1: can ship anything, right. If you ask me what that means,
- 31:29Speaker 1: I say, anything you can win, you can ship it. Right,
- 31:32Speaker 1: So title any other thoughts you want to add at quarterback.
- 31:35Speaker 1: I know we hit up on Rogers pretty hard already,
- 31:37Speaker 1: but Jacoby Brissett or anything else there, and then you
- 31:39Speaker 1: could take us into running back as well.
- 31:41Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 31:42Speaker 4: Well, I've been playing a decent amount of poker in
- 31:44Speaker 4: the past couple months, and man, all I hear I
- 31:46Speaker 4: at least once at the casino, and it's probably four
- 31:48Speaker 4: or five times you hear something to the casino ship it.
- 31:51Speaker 1: We got to a special hat too, you got you
- 31:53Speaker 1: can rock the hat for it.
- 31:54Speaker 3: I've worn it a couple of times. But then people
- 31:57Speaker 3: will every pot they'll just be on ship it.
- 31:59Speaker 4: Yeah, annoying and so but no, I do remember Brick
- 32:03Speaker 4: on the en Lowells with Whop two. He had the
- 32:06Speaker 4: story where every time hears ship it was one guy.
- 32:08Speaker 4: So that made me made me laugh. But quarterback wise,
- 32:12Speaker 4: to be honest ownership like, I don't that five percent percent.
- 32:15Speaker 4: I hope he gets there and captain like he's passing
- 32:18Speaker 4: propt one sixty four and a half awful half a
- 32:21Speaker 4: touchdown minus one fifty five on the over, like he
- 32:24Speaker 4: throws one touchdown for two hundred yards, which is over
- 32:27Speaker 4: his props he's still not getting there, so even flex.
- 32:30Speaker 4: To be honest, if I got ten percent percent, I'd
- 32:32Speaker 4: be chilling. If I got thirty five percent, I'd be
- 32:35Speaker 4: fine there. So no hot take on Perseet. They're gonna
- 32:38Speaker 4: want to pound the football and bleed the clock. Rogers,
- 32:41Speaker 4: you talk me to some captain the flex, I'll be
- 32:43Speaker 4: playing them running back. I mean it's easy. You have
- 32:46Speaker 4: two workhorses. Stevenson's role this year has been phenomenal, even
- 32:50Speaker 4: better than I expected. I thought it'd be more of
- 32:52Speaker 4: a time share. Stevenson Breeze. They're getting the ownership though,
- 32:55Speaker 4: No nothing crazy. I'm saying Gibson Braylan Allen two good RB.
- 33:00Speaker 4: Two's if somehow steven center brist go down, like if
- 33:04Speaker 4: they went down in the first, they'd be favored the
- 33:06Speaker 4: Jordan Mason in week one, they'd be favored to probably
- 33:09Speaker 4: be captain optimal at that ownership.
- 33:11Speaker 2: So they have.
- 33:12Speaker 4: Upside in any injury. Without an injury, plus three fifty
- 33:15Speaker 4: for Allen to score, plus four hundred for Gibson. Both
- 33:19Speaker 4: can catch some out of the backfield. They're in the
- 33:21Speaker 4: goal line. We've seen Allan score. So those are two guys,
- 33:24Speaker 4: and I'm not even gonna make a rule to separate them,
- 33:27Speaker 4: because people will make that rule. And that's just more
- 33:30Speaker 4: of a way too. If they do get there, some
- 33:32Speaker 4: out both score a touchdown a low scoring game. That's
- 33:35Speaker 4: how you can solo shit five hundred k like not
- 33:38Speaker 4: solo r Man, Big Marley and Hebrew. But when they
- 33:41Speaker 4: got the cheese, they got it with a lot less
- 33:43Speaker 4: people than most. So that's the plan. Like you play
- 33:46Speaker 4: as well, So yeah, shout out to them. Awesome stuff
- 33:48Speaker 4: for real.
- 33:49Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that call, and that's what we're looking
- 33:51Speaker 1: to do tonight. It's a pretty good drop off. I
- 33:52Speaker 1: think it's five hundred k one and then ten bucks
- 33:55Speaker 1: feels like it anyway, So it's like you're definitely playing
- 33:57Speaker 1: for the top show. I never understand, but yeah, shout
- 34:00Speaker 1: out to It's kevlar, kevlar in the in the discard
- 34:06Speaker 1: there you ben making a bunch of money playing poker
- 34:08Speaker 1: over the summer, he was telling me. So he's, uh,
- 34:10Speaker 1: he said, I won't stop playing until they learn how
- 34:12Speaker 1: because John he said that he's a lot of people
- 34:14Speaker 1: don't know how to play plow. So he's, uh, he's
- 34:16Speaker 1: out there in the pot limit Omaha games and you know,
- 34:19Speaker 1: shipping it. That's what we love to see. Like I said,
- 34:20Speaker 1: it's a lifestyle hoop. Anything more on the running backs
- 34:23Speaker 1: you want to add. I know you already talked a
- 34:24Speaker 1: little bit earlier about the Hall Allen stuff. Gibson. We
- 34:27Speaker 1: talked a little bit about just anything more you want
- 34:29Speaker 1: to add on either side, and then you could take
- 34:30Speaker 1: us into the wide receivers.
- 34:32Speaker 2: It's very clear position. Like title said, do you have
- 34:35Speaker 2: two workhorse backs essentially in Hall and Stevenson, and then
- 34:38Speaker 2: their backups get solid work Alan we saw I believe
- 34:42Speaker 2: it was nine touches last week. That's great for a
- 34:44Speaker 2: backup running back. And then Gibson got like eleven carries.
- 34:49Speaker 2: And you know, Gibson's typically a guy that we view
- 34:51Speaker 2: as like a pass catching back. We haven't seen it
- 34:53Speaker 2: yet this year, but at some point he's in a
- 34:56Speaker 2: catch like four or five balls could be tonight. So
- 34:58Speaker 2: I like him, and I like not set up that
- 35:00Speaker 2: rule that a lot of people are going to set.
- 35:02Speaker 2: A lot of people are gonna say, if I have
- 35:04Speaker 2: Breese Hall, I don't want Allen. I don't necessarily want
- 35:08Speaker 2: to make that sort of rule. I think there are
- 35:11Speaker 2: game scripts where these guys can can get it done together,
- 35:14Speaker 2: specifically lower scoring games where ten or eleven Fantasy points
- 35:19Speaker 2: is enough to be on optimal. So very clear position.
- 35:23Speaker 2: And the main point for me, though, is I won't
- 35:26Speaker 2: be making that rule.
- 35:28Speaker 1: Total's gone up too, I know, something like takedowns making
- 35:31Speaker 1: a prediction. I think the total went up. It's from
- 35:33Speaker 1: like thirty six or something already, and it's up. I've
- 35:36Speaker 1: seen it as high as thirty eight and a half.
- 35:37Speaker 1: So others are somewhat agreeing at least betting it up.
- 35:41Speaker 1: But what ends up actually happening, I don't know, but
- 35:43Speaker 1: I mean it certainly looks like there's a capability for it.
- 35:46Speaker 1: And again the whole chat just keeps talking about it's
- 35:49Speaker 1: you know, there's only three captains you can play on
- 35:50Speaker 1: the slate, gotta play at least three kickers and defenses.
- 35:54Speaker 1: Like everyone just writes it off no matter what. And
- 35:56Speaker 1: that's the slates I love. So I don't have much
- 35:58Speaker 1: to add on running back hoop, but I'll let you
- 35:59Speaker 1: start on these wide receivers. I just think there's a
- 36:02Speaker 1: lot of angles to attack beyond just Garrett Wilson and
- 36:06Speaker 1: stopping there.
- 36:08Speaker 2: Yeah, Garrett Wilson is obviously the clear play. We already
- 36:11Speaker 2: talked about him. In the captain spot. He's probably the
- 36:14Speaker 2: second or third highest Stone captain. He's going to be
- 36:16Speaker 2: owned a bunch in the flex spot. He is, you know,
- 36:20Speaker 2: a great play on this late at ten too, But
- 36:22Speaker 2: there's obviously other guys to consider. I just wanted to
- 36:26Speaker 2: pull up one thing on.
- 36:29Speaker 1: That's the one you were thinking of, because he's pulling
- 36:30Speaker 1: the other game now that you said with Chicago.
- 36:33Speaker 2: No, so seventeen targets like eleven targets week one, six
- 36:39Speaker 2: targets a week two. You know, is he a slam
- 36:43Speaker 2: dunk play? I don't think he is. Like, I don't know.
- 36:47Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot of ups and
- 36:49Speaker 2: downs with with him in this offense, just because of
- 36:52Speaker 2: the immobility I guess of Aaron Rodgers, like he can't
- 36:56Speaker 2: freaking move all that much. So I don't know, Like
- 36:58Speaker 2: I could potentially go like underweight on a Garrett Wilson.
- 37:02Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Alan Wizard fine play. Like
- 37:05Speaker 2: I don't necessarily love the Allen Zard player. I do
- 37:08Speaker 2: like the Mike Williams play. He barely played week one.
- 37:10Speaker 2: He got up to sixty percent of snaps in a
- 37:13Speaker 2: week two and you have to imagine that it's gonna
- 37:16Speaker 2: go up in week three. So he's gonna be on
- 37:19Speaker 2: the field the majority of offensive stats. He has big
- 37:22Speaker 2: play outside. Aaron Rodgers is willing to take the shots
- 37:26Speaker 2: like he is. We've seen it all throughout his career.
- 37:28Speaker 2: He's now like forty years old. He's going to continue
- 37:31Speaker 2: to take the shots. He's the best in probably ever
- 37:34Speaker 2: in terms of getting the defense jump off side and
- 37:36Speaker 2: get the free play. If he gets a free play,
- 37:38Speaker 2: it's probably a bomb, a shot to Mike Williams. Mike
- 37:41Speaker 2: Williams is probably the guy that gets the opportunity, was
- 37:43Speaker 2: Alan Wizard in week one. That's why he had the
- 37:45Speaker 2: big week. If he gets him to jump, he's gonna
- 37:48Speaker 2: throw it up to Mike Williams tonight. So I really
- 37:50Speaker 2: like Mike Williams as a play. Even in Captain, it
- 37:52Speaker 2: could happen twice, so you can get two deep bombs
- 37:54Speaker 2: and you just need Mike Williams. So I do like
- 37:56Speaker 2: Mike Williams and Captain and in especially if you're doing
- 38:01Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers captain teams. He's a perfect compliment to Aaron
- 38:04Speaker 2: Rodgers Captain team where he gets the one bomb. Obviously,
- 38:07Speaker 2: if he gets two, you're gonna need Mike Williams to
- 38:09Speaker 2: be in Captain. But one bomb to Mike Williams, then
- 38:13Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers throws at the other guys. Perfect compliment to
- 38:16Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers Captain team. I don't have as much interest
- 38:18Speaker 2: as you guys do in the Patriots pass catchers in Captain,
- 38:24Speaker 2: but I do like them in Flux, Douglas and Polk.
- 38:26Speaker 2: I think our fine options Osbourne as well, all very
- 38:30Speaker 2: cheap forty two hundred and below. Let's yeah, Douglas is
- 38:35Speaker 2: forty two, Polk is four k, and then Osborne is
- 38:38Speaker 2: all the way down to thirty two. Thornton at sixteen
- 38:42Speaker 2: hundred you could potentially throw in the mix, and that's
- 38:44Speaker 2: kind of the end of it. Like Xavier Gibson is
- 38:47Speaker 2: now kind of like out of the picture with Mike
- 38:50Speaker 2: Williams playing more. He was a guy that we kind
- 38:52Speaker 2: of viewed as a high upside dude, but at two K, like,
- 38:56Speaker 2: I'll probably pass on him. So it's really just the
- 38:58Speaker 2: main guys good with Garrett Wilson in both. But like
- 39:01Speaker 2: I said, I could end up taking a underweight approach
- 39:04Speaker 2: on Garrett Wilson lizard. Sure, whatever I get a lizard
- 39:07Speaker 2: is fine. But Mike Williams I will make a point
- 39:10Speaker 2: of getting him into my lineups tonight. And then all
- 39:12Speaker 2: of the Patriots pass catchers. Yeah, I'm fine playing with them,
- 39:16Speaker 2: but it's mostly gonna be flex plays for me.
- 39:18Speaker 1: Remember money making Mooney on Monday that that was the
- 39:21Speaker 1: one and he took us to the moon there. I
- 39:23Speaker 1: think it could be money making Mic, and then someone said, hey,
- 39:25Speaker 1: that's Hoop's nickname. Our guy Rob is in there. I'll
- 39:28Speaker 1: take that money making Mic. But this is another thing
- 39:31Speaker 1: too that I thought of. If you remember last year
- 39:34Speaker 1: the Jets, he's just talking about Williams snap percentage and
- 39:37Speaker 1: obviously it went up in Week two. But I'm pretty
- 39:40Speaker 1: sure they did the same with Breece Hall last year.
- 39:42Speaker 1: Like remember they started him super slow and then they
- 39:44Speaker 1: just ramped his ass right up as soon as he
- 39:46Speaker 1: was ready. So maybe that's what we see this week,
- 39:49Speaker 1: and we get Mike Williams more involved. So I could
- 39:52Speaker 1: see that, and I like your call. That was my
- 39:54Speaker 1: my Rogers take is if it's just one bomb to
- 39:57Speaker 1: Mike Williams, that's perfect for Rogers. He could get a
- 39:59Speaker 1: few yard on the ground. You could end up sneaking
- 40:01Speaker 1: one in. He could throw another one to a random
- 40:03Speaker 1: like a Conklin or somebody else. But the point would
- 40:06Speaker 1: be if it's two bombs, it turns into like Marvin Harrison, like,
- 40:10Speaker 1: what do we get the two Mike Williams bombs in
- 40:11Speaker 1: the first quarter, And it's like, Okay, a lot of
- 40:14Speaker 1: people probably closing the laptop unless they're lining up.
- 40:17Speaker 4: Pants are off, money making else and hoops, pants are
- 40:19Speaker 4: off because you know he's cheering for that.
- 40:22Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be having that one. So I want to
- 40:24Speaker 1: see what happens here tonight, but I'm getting a good
- 40:26Speaker 1: feel for it as we go along. So anything else
- 40:29Speaker 1: title you want to add at the wide receiver stuff,
- 40:31Speaker 1: You and I talked earlier about Pop, Douglas and Poke
- 40:34Speaker 1: and these guys, but any anything else that you want
- 40:36Speaker 1: to talk about it wide receiver.
- 40:38Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it because it's clearly seven guys.
- 40:41Speaker 4: You have four on the Patriots, polk Osbourne, Thornton all
- 40:44Speaker 4: mixing in Douglas in the slot. The Jets now with
- 40:47Speaker 4: Mike Williams ramped up, Xavier, Gibson and Corley are pretty
- 40:50Speaker 4: much non factors. So you have Wilson, Lazar William so
- 40:54Speaker 4: Mike Clairpool will be seven, and then you see Garrett
- 40:57Speaker 4: Wilson at forty four percent outside of him, Pop Douglas
- 41:01Speaker 4: the next highest at twenty eighteen, sixteen, nineteen, sixteen eleven.
- 41:06Speaker 3: All of those are like as you mentioned earlier.
- 41:09Speaker 4: I think this is the best talking point, all of
- 41:11Speaker 4: those prices, ownership and then kickers. Indeed, why mess with
- 41:15Speaker 4: Javon Baker, why mess with Rutker.
- 41:18Speaker 3: Will get there like he actually is on the field
- 41:20Speaker 3: and runs some routes.
- 41:21Speaker 4: So sure, Austin Hooper as well, But I still like
- 41:24Speaker 4: these wide receivers that we just talked about more than
- 41:26Speaker 4: Hooper and Rutgert for a little more, because I mean,
- 41:30Speaker 4: these guys are gonna be on the field. It takes
- 41:31Speaker 4: one cast for fifty yards in a touchdown and the
- 41:34Speaker 4: slate's more than likely broken, and one of them is
- 41:37Speaker 4: on the optimal. So if you're playing Rogers captain, probably
- 41:40Speaker 4: we'll have at least two or three of uz Are
- 41:42Speaker 4: and Mike Wilson, Ed Cochlan. I'm not gonna play per
- 41:45Speaker 4: set captains, but there's a lot of people are running
- 41:48Speaker 4: five to one jets four to two Jets heavy, a
- 41:51Speaker 4: way to go four to two, Patriots play two of
- 41:53Speaker 4: these receivers, play Gibson Stevenson something like that. So yeah,
- 41:56Speaker 4: all their ownerships, I'm gonna be playing those seven if
- 42:00Speaker 4: I had to rank them. We talked about Poppy, like
- 42:02Speaker 4: I'm playing Garrett Wilson. I like Polk.
- 42:06Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, guys.
- 42:07Speaker 4: I like Mike Williams Upside more than I like Blizard's
- 42:09Speaker 4: today as well.
- 42:10Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's how I'm looking at it too,
- 42:12Speaker 1: Like for sure, that side the I'm looking more at
- 42:14Speaker 1: like the four, and then the other wall fit in right,
- 42:16Speaker 1: Like I don't like Blizzard as much as I like
- 42:18Speaker 1: these two. I don't like the lower end as much
- 42:20Speaker 1: as I like these two. I like Henry more than Hooper.
- 42:23Speaker 1: And honestly, it's not that crazy.
- 42:25Speaker 3: It's not.
- 42:25Speaker 1: Again, you do get a heavy price break, But I'm
- 42:27Speaker 1: just saying the ownership across the board at some of
- 42:29Speaker 1: these positions eight hundred versus twenty eight hundred, six to sixteen,
- 42:33Speaker 1: if it even gets there, like, it's just not you
- 42:35Speaker 1: can get leverage in the flex easily on all these spots.
- 42:39Speaker 2: We got the Hebrew little nugget and Guy's hot coming
- 42:42Speaker 2: off one hundred K. He likes mister Thornton.
- 42:44Speaker 3: And a Pats fan to double dip right there, Patriots
- 42:48Speaker 3: fan and that.
- 42:49Speaker 1: So that was in when we went to Chicago with
- 42:54Speaker 1: him and his dad and his brother, and these guys
- 42:55Speaker 1: are battling pretty hard for this guy right here, Jalen
- 42:58Speaker 1: Polk or whatever his name is. And you know, he
- 43:00Speaker 1: came out. So I don't know, but if we get
- 43:02Speaker 1: Hebrew Cheetah on the Hebrew Heata, which has been pretty
- 43:06Speaker 1: good this season, it's like I said the other day,
- 43:07Speaker 1: you got to keep watching for him. His name is
- 43:09Speaker 1: constantly up there. Maybe we take that Taekwon Thornton call,
- 43:12Speaker 1: But I guess that's what I'm saying, Like that's where
- 43:13Speaker 1: I would fit into more of these three, more of
- 43:16Speaker 1: these three than I am trying to force Gibson or
- 43:19Speaker 1: Corley or Baker or any of the others. So I
- 43:21Speaker 1: just think that's what sets it up so tight end hoop,
- 43:24Speaker 1: you want to take it over. We got Henry and
- 43:26Speaker 1: Hooper on one side, we got Conklin and Ruckert on
- 43:28Speaker 1: the other. Anything you have to add there.
- 43:31Speaker 2: Like the Henry play. I think we've talked about him
- 43:33Speaker 2: in the Captain segment. I think we're all kind of
- 43:36Speaker 2: on the same page. I mean twelve targets for him.
- 43:39Speaker 2: Definitely like him as a play, especially in like a
- 43:41Speaker 2: trailing game script if you think the Jets win and
- 43:43Speaker 2: you're building the team in which the you know, a
- 43:47Speaker 2: Jets heavy team. I think Henry's a perfect guy to
- 43:50Speaker 2: include on those Jets heavy teams. A lot of dump offs.
- 43:53Speaker 2: He has the touchdown upside, a guy that could can
- 43:56Speaker 2: get there in a variety of different game scripts. But
- 43:59Speaker 2: I do like him in the trailing one, so good
- 44:01Speaker 2: with with him in Captain or Flex. And honestly, the
- 44:03Speaker 2: seventy eight hundred price tag is somewhat high, and that
- 44:07Speaker 2: you know, people might look to not pay that and
- 44:10Speaker 2: drop down a little bit. I want to embrace that
- 44:13Speaker 2: for sure. The ownership is not like you all like,
- 44:15Speaker 2: I mean, the guy just got twelve targets, right, we're
- 44:17Speaker 2: talking to one game showdown Slate. You assume, coming off
- 44:20Speaker 2: a twelve target game that he's going to be a
- 44:23Speaker 2: popular play. But I really do think it's the price
- 44:25Speaker 2: tag kind of keeping him in check at this like
- 44:28Speaker 2: sub twenty percent ownership number. So I'm very interest what's
- 44:31Speaker 2: his captain owner you had two to three percent. Like,
- 44:34Speaker 2: Henry's a great play on the slate. The other tight
- 44:36Speaker 2: ends not super excited about Conklan just really hasn't been involved.
- 44:40Speaker 2: I think the reason is these running backs. I mean
- 44:43Speaker 2: a lot of the work that a tight end would
- 44:45Speaker 2: get goes to breist Hall and now it's going to
- 44:47Speaker 2: go to Braylin Allen, these little drop off things the
- 44:51Speaker 2: middle of the field, stuff like they're using the running
- 44:53Speaker 2: backs more than the tight end. So I'm not overly
- 44:56Speaker 2: excited with Conklin.
- 44:57Speaker 5: He'll remain in my player pool, probably not going to
- 45:00Speaker 5: have a ton and then Hooper and Rucker, like, yeah,
- 45:03Speaker 5: if I have to work in some cheaper guys, sure,
- 45:07Speaker 5: but I'm just not excited.
- 45:08Speaker 2: Really with either of those plays, to be honest, in
- 45:11Speaker 2: terms of tight ends, it's all about Henry for me.
- 45:14Speaker 1: Calcata right here, rcord Man, he started the game so
- 45:17Speaker 1: hot and then just failed completely. But a guy that's
- 45:19Speaker 1: actually out there that you could see get some catches
- 45:21Speaker 1: early and then just wonder if it's needed. Probably not,
- 45:23Speaker 1: So I bring that up, and then I know Zim
- 45:25Speaker 1: was talking to Hebrew who answered this question. But this
- 45:28Speaker 1: is just another prime example of Showdown. In a nutshell,
- 45:31Speaker 1: it's four thousand dollars versus sixteen hundred. Build your best
- 45:34Speaker 1: Poke lineup and just take them out and put Thornton
- 45:37Speaker 1: in and hope that Thornton catches more balls or more
- 45:40Speaker 1: valuable catches that end up working out to more fantasy points.
- 45:43Speaker 1: You're naturally more unique just by leaving that money on
- 45:46Speaker 1: the table. And I don't think anyone can sit here
- 45:47Speaker 1: and clearly say, I know our numbers have it that way,
- 45:50Speaker 1: but numbers are numbers for a reason. That can happen
- 45:52Speaker 1: in a heartbeat in that game where it ends up
- 45:54Speaker 1: being that Thornton takes out Poke, and that's what you
- 45:56Speaker 1: need to have it set up for. So I don't
- 45:58Speaker 1: think there's anything against doing stuff like that when you're
- 46:00Speaker 1: building out your lineups. If it's you know, a five
- 46:02Speaker 1: to one build and you do that, it's even more unique,
- 46:05Speaker 1: Like there's just other things that you can do within it.
- 46:07Speaker 1: We try and cover it all and more over on
- 46:09Speaker 1: the site you do get all this included. We'll have
- 46:11Speaker 1: the player pool that Hoop does, the slate plan that
- 46:13Speaker 1: I do. The core report has our guys Scarface and
- 46:15Speaker 1: Title on there with Hoop and I hebrewnades the rest
- 46:18Speaker 1: of the crews in Discord posting their stuff, and then
- 46:20Speaker 1: the Stone is what we're looking at right now with
- 46:23Speaker 1: all the projections and everything built into ship demizers, so
- 46:25Speaker 1: all that this week end, it today actually and it
- 46:28Speaker 1: ends tonight. You can get it for free. Go to
- 46:29Speaker 1: ship nation dot com, use the code sd ship get
- 46:33Speaker 1: yourself signed up a title. I'll go to you, man.
- 46:36Speaker 1: Anything you want to talk about with kickers and d
- 46:38Speaker 1: we started out the show hot. When it came to that,
- 46:40Speaker 1: you know, everybody says you need three of them, we're
- 46:42Speaker 1: just sort of making the joke at this point. But
- 46:44Speaker 1: anything you want to add on these kickers and defenses, well, first.
- 46:47Speaker 3: On add on something ship a Nation.
- 46:49Speaker 4: Obviously, with the price, the content, the stone, everything we've added,
- 46:52Speaker 4: there's no better place but the Discord and not only
- 46:55Speaker 4: the community. Shout out Rio, there's a reason he won
- 46:59Speaker 4: a beat writer. Like thirty minutes before Locked, twenty five
- 47:01Speaker 4: minutes before Lock during warmups, Britain coveys with DeVante Smith
- 47:05Speaker 4: and the starters. I didn't have any Covey hardly. I know, Tamba,
- 47:10Speaker 4: you went back in to your player pool. I had
- 47:12Speaker 4: like twenty eight percent he was three percent home by
- 47:15Speaker 4: far the best play on the slate. Rio dropped that
- 47:17Speaker 4: nugget in discord. I saw plenty of other people reworking
- 47:20Speaker 4: their lineups. I wish I trusted it more like imagine,
- 47:23Speaker 4: like I bumped Paris Campbell way down, I bump Johnny
- 47:26Speaker 4: Wilson way down. I got a lot more covey from that.
- 47:29Speaker 4: One piece of information that looked reliable. Rio in the
- 47:32Speaker 4: discord got him one hundred and one thousand bucks, got
- 47:35Speaker 4: other members stuff.
- 47:36Speaker 3: I fell a little short there, but just awesome stuff.
- 47:39Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 47:39Speaker 4: I mean it's by far, and I'll give YouTube a
- 47:42Speaker 4: lot of props. I mean, it's easy to let your
- 47:44Speaker 4: discord go away when the members keep growing. We see
- 47:47Speaker 4: it at plenty of different sites. Toxic community. You don't
- 47:50Speaker 4: want to be in there. It's unbelievable we have there. Definitely,
- 47:53Speaker 4: you two should take pride in that. But shout out
- 47:55Speaker 4: Rio the Covey call. Seeing that definitely helped me out
- 47:58Speaker 4: another piece of I mean, it's part of our community.
- 48:01Speaker 4: It's content like that is I think better than each
- 48:04Speaker 4: any one piece of content that you click on the
- 48:07Speaker 4: discord is better. But it all works together. So as
- 48:10Speaker 4: far as tight ends. Yeah, I owe that b report
- 48:12Speaker 4: in my life. Yeah, I mean that's the stuff, so
- 48:14Speaker 4: great stuff Rio tight ends. I really got nothing to have,
- 48:17Speaker 4: Like I'm playing Rutger and Hooper because they're cheap. They
- 48:20Speaker 4: can be the covees of the world on the solo
- 48:23Speaker 4: ship or one touchdown. It's not a fun click by
- 48:25Speaker 4: any means. I prefer the receivers. Henry, we talked about it,
- 48:28Speaker 4: great length overspend. I do probably think he gets a
- 48:32Speaker 4: little steam from our projected ownership, but still nothing crazy.
- 48:36Speaker 4: And then Conklin, I don't know. His routes are all
- 48:40Speaker 4: like two yards down the field. It's like Rogers' fourth
- 48:43Speaker 4: option and just a check down because he can't move.
- 48:46Speaker 3: I don't know he can fall in the box. But
- 48:48Speaker 3: I don't love.
- 48:48Speaker 1: Concord anything on Kickers and d And I will make
- 48:52Speaker 1: note what you said there too, like this will be
- 48:53Speaker 1: updated soon and then we do a final and everything
- 48:55Speaker 1: comes out, so the discord speaking of that will be
- 48:57Speaker 1: notified when it happens. The community will get the update there,
- 49:00Speaker 1: and if you're not in the discord, you should be,
- 49:02Speaker 1: but if you're not, you just go on here. You'll
- 49:04Speaker 1: be able to see when it was updated. To keep
- 49:06Speaker 1: you in check. I'm with you. I think we could
- 49:07Speaker 1: see Henry steam up there twenty five, twenty six. It's
- 49:10Speaker 1: going to change. But either way, anything you want to
- 49:12Speaker 1: add with kickers and defenses, Like I said, that's how
- 49:14Speaker 1: we sort of started the show.
- 49:18Speaker 3: They all look in check.
- 49:19Speaker 4: Eighteen percent in the flex for Sly, twenty one for
- 49:22Speaker 4: zir Line, sixteen for pat St, twenty percent for Jets defense.
- 49:27Speaker 4: Jets's expensive fifty four hundred, Like that is the first
- 49:30Speaker 4: thing that stands out. But I mean talk about statues
- 49:33Speaker 4: per sette the teams. If they get behind the spread
- 49:36Speaker 4: at six and a half, for a team that really
- 49:38Speaker 4: wants to pound the football, if Jets can get up
- 49:41Speaker 4: twenty fourteen to nothing in half, get another touchdown and
- 49:44Speaker 4: make Persett drop back a lot, I mean, they're Jets's
- 49:47Speaker 4: going to be licking their chops. So yeah, all of
- 49:50Speaker 4: that at ownership, it's a good slate the more you
- 49:52Speaker 4: talk about it, for sure. Yeah, there are seven receivers, clear,
- 49:56Speaker 4: four running backs. People don't want to play QBS ownership
- 49:59Speaker 4: at the kickers, D's in check, Like, there's so many
- 50:02Speaker 4: combinations you can go, so no strongly, and I'm gonna
- 50:05Speaker 4: be playing the Greg the leg fifty five yards sixty yards.
- 50:09Speaker 3: I mean you could see moody performance. Yeah, this LA's good.
- 50:12Speaker 1: Sam, Well, you're right, Yeah, that is a very good slate.
- 50:14Speaker 1: Try I always tell you guys like it is. If
- 50:16Speaker 1: it's a terrible slate, I tell you I'll still try
- 50:18Speaker 1: and bring some passion energy to the show, but I'll
- 50:20Speaker 1: be honest about what I feel about the slate. I
- 50:22Speaker 1: know this is a good slate. I love this slate.
- 50:24Speaker 1: So whether it works out or not, we go to
- 50:27Speaker 1: battle every slate and see if we can make it
- 50:28Speaker 1: happen and ship. But you gotta play these good slates
- 50:31Speaker 1: if you feel good about them. That's another thing we
- 50:33Speaker 1: talk about all the time. Don't just play the same
- 50:36Speaker 1: fifty bucks every slate. If you don't, I mean, if
- 50:38Speaker 1: you have the money to put in and this is
- 50:39Speaker 1: a slate you like, ramp it up a little because
- 50:41Speaker 1: there's gonna be slates you hate or don't like, or
- 50:43Speaker 1: aren't around for or whatever it might be. I'm here,
- 50:46Speaker 1: I'm playing this one. I'm definitely investing in this slate.
- 50:49Speaker 1: I love this slate. I think it's a good opportunity
- 50:51Speaker 1: to get a leg up. So I'm gonna be playing
- 50:52Speaker 1: it pretty heavy, So yeah, I don't have anything else
- 50:55Speaker 1: to add on the d and kicker hoop. One thing
- 50:57Speaker 1: that got brought up like three times in chat and
- 50:59Speaker 1: I'm like having a flashback our guy NYG fan Dwayne,
- 51:03Speaker 1: He's always the man. I feel like it was on
- 51:06Speaker 1: who's the guy that the Chargers hoped at the needle? Wrong?
- 51:10Speaker 1: What was his name again?
- 51:11Speaker 2: The Cornhuh?
- 51:14Speaker 1: You know Taylor, Tyron Taylor. I feel like Jacoby Brissette
- 51:18Speaker 1: is another quarterback that fits the mold of quarterbacks that
- 51:21Speaker 1: always get injured early in the game and then the
- 51:23Speaker 1: backup comes in or the Jets d are just pounding
- 51:26Speaker 1: them and they're like, all right, let's bring May in
- 51:28Speaker 1: here to give him a few shots. Is there any
- 51:29Speaker 1: chance this is the backup quarterback slate that you get
- 51:33Speaker 1: May involved? What do you think, Coop that he's been
- 51:35Speaker 1: brought up like three times in the chat?
- 51:38Speaker 2: Uh? No, I'm not playing a backup quarter but yeah,
- 51:41Speaker 2: people people do love that's one. That's another talking point
- 51:44Speaker 2: that people love for showdown the backup quarterback because obviously
- 51:49Speaker 2: if you play it and it hits like you have
- 51:51Speaker 2: no competition, like you can work your way up quick.
- 51:54Speaker 2: But no, that's a that's definitely not for Hooster.
- 51:59Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also funny. I think it's only happened like
- 52:00Speaker 1: once or twice. I know Mariota one slate, someone played
- 52:03Speaker 1: and plugged them in and he actually got like a
- 52:05Speaker 1: whole three quarters and did well, so he ended up
- 52:07Speaker 1: being involved. It's almost like you got to use them
- 52:10Speaker 1: at the captain. If you do it, you got to
- 52:12Speaker 1: just hope that they come in and are the guy
- 52:13Speaker 1: or something. It's just insane, but it would be for
- 52:15Speaker 1: the full shot. I'm not doing it, but I just
- 52:17Speaker 1: brought it up because talking defenses, who have you got
- 52:19Speaker 1: anything you want to add on defenses and kickers? You've
- 52:22Speaker 1: been talking about them all season, but this is certainly
- 52:24Speaker 1: a slate where we're finally gonna see some ownership go
- 52:27Speaker 1: that way. And so for me, that's another leverage point
- 52:30Speaker 1: on the slate is like I can just avoid that heavily.
- 52:33Speaker 1: And you know in sets you got two sets especially,
- 52:36Speaker 1: one can be around using them, one can be off them.
- 52:38Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think that's another talking point for sure.
- 52:41Speaker 2: At first glance, just looking at the game, thinking about
- 52:44Speaker 2: the game, you assume a lot of people are gonna
- 52:46Speaker 2: want to play kickers and defense, and then well they're
- 52:48Speaker 2: gonna want to but there's so many guys priced right
- 52:52Speaker 2: in that same region that it's going to keep the
- 52:55Speaker 2: ownership in check on kickers and defenses. You have all
- 52:58Speaker 2: those wide receivers, you have the back up running backs.
- 53:00Speaker 2: Now they're all all those Patriots wide receivers, both backup
- 53:04Speaker 2: running backs, they're all priced right around there. So it's
- 53:06Speaker 2: just gonna get spread out, which will leave the ownership
- 53:10Speaker 2: on kicker in defense in check tonight. And I'm interested
- 53:13Speaker 2: in all four.
- 53:14Speaker 1: I think we're getting the highest ever. I disagree fully.
- 53:16Speaker 1: I think the thing is there's only three guys on
- 53:18Speaker 1: this slate. People think you got to play. They're Remandre,
- 53:20Speaker 1: Breise and Wilson, and it forces you into that, and
- 53:23Speaker 1: everybody assumes low scoring. I think these numbers are right.
- 53:26Speaker 1: Twenty one, twenty one, nineteen seventeen. Those are by far
- 53:30Speaker 1: the highest numbers we've seen besides like a mooty or
- 53:33Speaker 1: something in the San Francisco game. So I think they're
- 53:35Speaker 1: gonna get hammered tonight.
- 53:36Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm saying the reason they're
- 53:38Speaker 2: not higher is because of all those guys, because this
- 53:42Speaker 2: is a slate where in the past we've seen defense
- 53:44Speaker 2: we Jets defense could get up to like forty percent
- 53:47Speaker 2: or something crazy. The reason they're staying low twenties is
- 53:50Speaker 2: because there's so many guys. I don't think it's going
- 53:52Speaker 2: to come lower than this. I think these numbers are accurate.
- 53:55Speaker 2: I think they're all going to be between like eighteen
- 53:57Speaker 2: and twenty five percent because of all those other guys.
- 54:01Speaker 1: In that just not getting out of hand. You're saying,
- 54:04Speaker 1: I got.
- 54:04Speaker 2: Getting out of hand. For that reason, there's just so
- 54:07Speaker 2: many guys priced right around there that are gonna be
- 54:09Speaker 2: played like people are gonna play the backup running backs,
- 54:11Speaker 2: people are gonna play all those wide receivers priced around
- 54:15Speaker 2: there that they're gonna play the tight end. They're gonna
- 54:19Speaker 2: play like the Conklings of the world. So it's gonna
- 54:22Speaker 2: keep it in check. But right around these numbers, like
- 54:24Speaker 2: I said, if without those guys, I think kickers and
- 54:26Speaker 2: defenses would be much higher owned on the slate.
- 54:29Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. Anything else you want to bring up there,
- 54:31Speaker 1: If not, you can take us into the FanDuel side
- 54:33Speaker 1: of things. We've sort of hammered everything else out I
- 54:35Speaker 1: think I feel pretty good about this slate where we're
- 54:37Speaker 1: at right now. But anything on the FanDuel side, our
- 54:39Speaker 1: girl Drea was asking about it earlier. Anything else you
- 54:41Speaker 1: see there you want to go to.
- 54:43Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think in the MVP spot it's yeah,
- 54:45Speaker 2: it's gonna be Bryce and Stevenson. Then probably Rogers gets
- 54:48Speaker 2: Rogers definitely gets more on fan duel versus DraftKings in
- 54:52Speaker 2: terms of the MVP ownership, just because of how the
- 54:55Speaker 2: scoring works over there. Brissette at twelve five, I think
- 54:59Speaker 2: is a cheap price. Get a starting quarterback for twelve thousand,
- 55:02Speaker 2: five hundred, that's, you know, typically lower than we see
- 55:06Speaker 2: Antonio Gibson. I don't know where the hell they got
- 55:08Speaker 2: the price tag of eleven five. I mean, like it
- 55:10Speaker 2: doesn't even.
- 55:11Speaker 1: They know something. We don't know if that's accurate. My
- 55:14Speaker 1: phone's on the charger because I got a new phone today.
- 55:16Speaker 1: Is that actually right? That he's a thousand bucks less
- 55:19Speaker 1: than Kobe Brissette, who I don't like, but I just
- 55:22Speaker 1: don't understand it.
- 55:23Speaker 2: The backup running back is one thousand dollars the quarterback pricing, Yeah,
- 55:28Speaker 2: Allen's ten kit And then that was the next thing
- 55:30Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Brandon Allen, the other backup running
- 55:33Speaker 2: back is is ten thousand. Then that's tough too, because
- 55:37Speaker 2: he probably needs to find the end zone at ten k,
- 55:40Speaker 2: which he definitely can, but on DraftKings he doesn't need
- 55:42Speaker 2: to find the end zone like he can rack up
- 55:44Speaker 2: four or five catches and get your forty or fifty
- 55:46Speaker 2: yards and you're you're good with that, but he definitely
- 55:49Speaker 2: needs to probably find the end zone at ten k.
- 55:51Speaker 2: So where we love the backup running backs on DK.
- 55:56Speaker 2: Kind of the prices on Fambuel are very very difficult.
- 56:02Speaker 2: Alan Blazard at ninety five hundred, that's another like price
- 56:05Speaker 2: tag that I don't loved. I mean, I don't really
- 56:07Speaker 2: want to pay ninety five for Alan Blazard another situation
- 56:11Speaker 2: where he needs to probably find the end zone. I'd
- 56:14Speaker 2: much rather go to Mike Williams at nine k, which
- 56:16Speaker 2: we've talked about in length. I think he's a fine play.
- 56:19Speaker 2: Then the kickers and defenses between nine k and eighty
- 56:22Speaker 2: five hundred, we have Conklin at eight k, Polk eight k,
- 56:27Speaker 2: Douglas seventy five hundred, Osbourne seventy five hundred, Thornton seven k,
- 56:30Speaker 2: so all those cheap wide receivers that we talked about
- 56:34Speaker 2: on DK they're basically between eight and seven k on FanDuel.
- 56:38Speaker 2: But the story of FanDuel had definitely preset at twelve
- 56:41Speaker 2: five the backup running backs priced up for some odd reason,
- 56:47Speaker 2: and yeah, that's kind kind of where we're at over there.
- 56:50Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very clear the FD stands for Fantastic Drugs.
- 56:54Speaker 1: They've got very good ones over there to come up
- 56:55Speaker 1: with some of these pricing, because this is just nuts.
- 56:57Speaker 1: I can't believe it's one thousand bucks lest a ten
- 57:00Speaker 1: grand for Alan like this. This pricing is horrible. I
- 57:03Speaker 1: know our ownership is going to get updated for the MVP,
- 57:06Speaker 1: it's not quite accurate. Like obviously, I think the quarterbacks
- 57:08Speaker 1: get boosted no matter what over there that will take away.
- 57:11Speaker 1: I don't think brees Hall quite gets to that number.
- 57:13Speaker 1: I think Remandre eats into that too. So we'll have
- 57:16Speaker 1: the final update on the site. But man, that pricing
- 57:18Speaker 1: is a whirlwind. Maybe it makes it a little bit
- 57:20Speaker 1: more exciting over there tonight, but I really like what's
- 57:22Speaker 1: going on DraftKings and where the ownership is headed. So yeah,
- 57:25Speaker 1: ultra safety meetings going on over at FD yeah, they
- 57:28Speaker 1: got the good stuff over there.
- 57:30Speaker 2: Title.
- 57:31Speaker 1: Any final thoughts for you man before we get out
- 57:32Speaker 1: of anything you want to add.
- 57:34Speaker 4: Yeah, ge Riisen hooks them up, that's for sure. No FanDuel. Yeah,
- 57:39Speaker 4: I mean, who's way overpriced the backup running backs. If
- 57:42Speaker 4: you want to win on the hardest site to win solo,
- 57:45Speaker 4: you play the backup running backs, so the overspend. Expect
- 57:49Speaker 4: to lose all your money. But that is a way
- 57:52Speaker 4: to ship with very very very little people, which is
- 57:54Speaker 4: always hard to do on FanDuel.
- 57:57Speaker 3: Nothing really much to add over there though, who mentioned it? Well, well, yeah,
- 58:00Speaker 3: it's a good slate. It's definitely a very fun slate.
- 58:03Speaker 4: People don't want to play quarterbacks four clear running backs
- 58:06Speaker 4: on the slates seven clear receivers and play both four
- 58:09Speaker 4: tight ends like. It's easy to narrow at the pool
- 58:11Speaker 4: for me, which is always nice. It's easy to leave
- 58:14Speaker 4: a lot of money. A lot of people are jamming
- 58:16Speaker 4: jets if you want to get different right away for
- 58:18Speaker 4: two patriots, So plenty of ways to get different, plenty
- 58:21Speaker 4: of salary to be left, plenty of options. Yeah, cash
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