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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, March 31 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: and John Osher. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, March
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Speaker 1: thirty one, J P. Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, John Os, You're busy,
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Speaker 1: show ahead, Urban Meyer finally saying it. Trevor Lawrence Wild
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Speaker 1: trades in the top ten of the draft behind the Jaguars.
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Speaker 1: What now since Tyson a la Lalu decided to go
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Speaker 1: back to Pittsburgh. Will dissect some prospects and a couple
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Speaker 1: of positions and get some social media questions as well.
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Oser with us. Now we are in,
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Speaker 1: as always three different places. Today we're in three really
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Speaker 1: different places as we record this podcast. I'm at home,
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Speaker 1: John is away, Bucky is somewhere else. We've got a
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Speaker 1: lot going on today, Bucky, Yeah, we do have a
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Speaker 1: lot going on. I thought, look, I thought this would
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Speaker 1: be fun. J. I thought we would have a different
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Speaker 1: experience with us being, you know, not not together. One
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Speaker 1: day we'll be able to take the podcast together. But
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Speaker 1: I thought I'll take you for a little ride on
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Speaker 1: little route on the four or five where we're talking
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Speaker 1: about Well, don't look at the camera. Just keep your
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Speaker 1: eighes focused on the road, Bucky, please, goodness six. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what California law is, John, but I feel
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Speaker 1: like we're right on the borderline. You know where we'll
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Speaker 1: do the next podcast, jig evidently wherever Bucky wants to
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Speaker 1: do the next podcast, all right, because it's his podcast.
1:27
Speaker 1: We're just living in it. Well, I'm thinking maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: there's a yacht somewhere out there off of Jack, you
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Speaker 1: know that maybe we can bench you man, if we
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Speaker 1: can kind of do some different things stuff that would
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Speaker 1: be something Bucky, if you could pull that straight for us,
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Speaker 1: will do it. Coach Meyer kind of came on board
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Speaker 1: to look. Conversation on the yacht, conversation on the yacht,
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Speaker 1: get it done. Never it never hurts, I'll say that.
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Speaker 1: Remember to subscribe to the Officials Jaguars podcast Network on Apple, iTunes, Spotify,
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Speaker 1: and some comments. Let's start with the news of this
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Speaker 1: week in the NFL. The annual meeting held virtually one
2:08
Speaker 1: of them. There will be others coming up in the
2:10
Speaker 1: off season. For the owner is voting Tuesday to add
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Speaker 1: a seventeenth regular season game, three preseason games. They'll match
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Speaker 1: the division from the other conference, the same place team
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Speaker 1: in the finish and the standings the year before. So
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars add the Atlanta Falcons at t I A.
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Speaker 1: Bank Field this year as the seventeenth game, not in order.
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Speaker 1: They'll figure out the schedule a little later. There's also
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Speaker 1: an international rotation starting in two If the Jaguars have
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Speaker 1: a separate agreement, it would be on top of the
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Speaker 1: four games the league will put on an international markets.
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Speaker 1: And here we go, Bucky's seventeen and three. How you feeling.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm okay with that. Um, I think we
2:48
Speaker 1: have a definite divide between winners and losers. That's always fun.
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Speaker 1: Either you have a winning record or you have a
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Speaker 1: losing record. So we'll get a chance to see that.
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Speaker 1: It changes some of dynamics a little bit when we
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Speaker 1: think about the team building process in terms of your
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Speaker 1: depth and what is needed and for the young guys,
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Speaker 1: three freak season games. Man, you better hit the ground
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Speaker 1: running or you won't be on the final roster. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know how I feel, JP. I don't like it,
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Speaker 1: but I also wish they were still playing twelve games. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think seventeen too many. I was fine with fourteens
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Speaker 1: when I was growing up. I'm kidding sixteens the right number. Uh,
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Speaker 1: seventeen Okay, fine, they're doing it, But I'm with Bucky.
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Speaker 1: I I guess I'm just old school and I've talked
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Speaker 1: too many personnel people over the years. I think four
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Speaker 1: preseason games. As much as I don't like covering them,
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Speaker 1: and make no mistake, as a fan, I understand people
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Speaker 1: don't like him. As an observer, I hate covering them,
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Speaker 1: but for players making rosters, I do believe there is
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Speaker 1: merit to having four preseason games. And get off my lawn. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so throwback bucks from John there. I think the ultimate throwback.
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Speaker 1: It changes things a little bit because now I will
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Speaker 1: actually like John. I think actually we'll see a better
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Speaker 1: product though, because instead of the first game being one
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Speaker 1: with the starters played maybe a series, they now may
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Speaker 1: have to play a quarter and a half to get
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Speaker 1: some of the rhythm. The second game will become like
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Speaker 1: the third game, where we'll see the starters play after halftime,
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Speaker 1: and then the third game will be the game where
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Speaker 1: all the young guys played the majority of the game,
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Speaker 1: and so it changes it a little bit, but I
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Speaker 1: think the the interest should be better because that third
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Speaker 1: game is gonna be fast and furious with all the
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Speaker 1: young guys really competing for spots, no doubt. Now, what
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Speaker 1: I wonder, and I don't think they said yet, is
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Speaker 1: this gonna shorten training camp? Meaning you know, because if
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Speaker 1: it shortened training camp, I'm all for it. J If
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Speaker 1: you can get to a situation where I'm standing on
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Speaker 1: that practice field for about an hour and a half
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Speaker 1: every August total, and I'm final. So if we get
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Speaker 1: that that, I'm game, and I'll be honest. One thing
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Speaker 1: I haven't read. They're talking about the game being you, ay,
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Speaker 1: the opposing team from the conference that finished corresponding with you,
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Speaker 1: or is it the corresponding team from a division it's
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Speaker 1: the corresponding team from the other conference. I guess I
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Speaker 1: think they ought to go the way I just said it.
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Speaker 1: I think they ought to go with one through sixteen
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Speaker 1: in each conference. If you had the sixteenth best record
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Speaker 1: in your conference, play the six teams team in your
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Speaker 1: conference and just rotated like that over you. That way,
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Speaker 1: the best team the team with the home playoff game,
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Speaker 1: meaning the top seed in first conference play the top
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Speaker 1: seed in the other conference. That's the way they ought
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Speaker 1: to do it. I said it, and again, stay off
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Speaker 1: my lawn. But someone that's coming in feisty like like
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Speaker 1: late late, late, late night is a different guy. You
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Speaker 1: get me. You think I'm a different guy late night JP,
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Speaker 1: late night at Beats one night and they see a
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Speaker 1: different game. We could do some late night podcast booking.
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Speaker 1: We could have some fun. Actually, I want to make
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Speaker 1: this a theme. Moving ahead here one other part of
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Speaker 1: this thing we mentioned at the international rotation. So Chris
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Speaker 1: Halpin is in charge of the International Games for the NFL.
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Speaker 1: He spoke on Tuesday and mentioned Germany as a possibility
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Speaker 1: for a game. Of course, the the NFL has a
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Speaker 1: stake in Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. There is no
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Speaker 1: Jaguars agreement currently with Wembley Stadium. These all would start
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Speaker 1: in two by the way, it would not start in one.
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Speaker 1: The rotation of games, so you know, four international games, Mexico,
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Speaker 1: maybe Germany, couple in London. Here we go, Bucky, They're
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Speaker 1: they're starting to it feels like expand that international series. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're expanding that International series. I think the series is fun.
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Speaker 1: If you've been overseas, rabid NFL fans, even though sometimes
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Speaker 1: they don't necessarily know everything that's going on with the
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Speaker 1: game because it's drastically different than their version of football,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of fun, a lot of entry, and
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Speaker 1: as we're getting more games overseas, we're also seeing more
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Speaker 1: international players coming to the league. So I do believe
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Speaker 1: this is a win win for the National Football League
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Speaker 1: and names. Yeah, so John, the question will be well,
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Speaker 1: there's actually a question coming up a little later on
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Speaker 1: social media where we're delve into this year and the
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Speaker 1: possibility of the international series. But that was one edition
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Speaker 1: in the announcement on Tuesday. Let's move along on the
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast, JP Shadrick, John Osier, Bucky Brooks, and
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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer speaking with Peter King this week. We've all
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Speaker 1: heard the comments, We've seen the video most likely, we've
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Speaker 1: certainly read the article from Peter King on Pro Football Talk. Well,
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Speaker 1: he finally said it, almost said it all the way.
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Speaker 1: He said, we're going in that direction. Trevor Lawrence sounds
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Speaker 1: like he's gonna be the guy. So you know, it's
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Speaker 1: something that's not really a big surprise because we kind
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Speaker 1: of saw this coming, John, but it's about that time,
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Speaker 1: it's a month away from the draft, when urban Meyer
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Speaker 1: had something to say, and he had a for him
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Speaker 1: to say it. John to drop a name here. Peter
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Speaker 1: King will be the guest in the ozone podcast this week,
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Speaker 1: which I believe I believe we'll post on later today JP.
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Speaker 1: You know, and by today I mean Wednesday morning, we'll
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Speaker 1: probably have that ready to go and talking to Peter
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Speaker 1: about it. I've known Peter for twenty five years and
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Speaker 1: he's an honest guy. There was no plan to announce
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Speaker 1: this on the Peter King podcast. Peter asked the question,
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Speaker 1: and I believe that he asked it at a time
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Speaker 1: where urban was ready to say, oh, yeah, we're taking
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Speaker 1: you know, and or sort of yeah we're taking him,
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Speaker 1: and got couching it as little as possible and saying
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Speaker 1: that it looks like this is gonna be the guy.
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Speaker 1: And as you said, JP, this is about the time
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Speaker 1: where they come out of the bunkers. They've done their research,
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Speaker 1: they've done their due diligence. Not that they weren't leaning
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Speaker 1: strongly that way anyway, but this is about the time
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Speaker 1: we're like, okay, yeah, we get it. We're taking them.
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Speaker 1: Number one, We're not looking for a trade. It's probably
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Speaker 1: about the time to say it. Um, I wasn't surprised
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Speaker 1: by it. As Peter said on the podcast, Look, you
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Speaker 1: sort of knew they were going that directing anyway, It's
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Speaker 1: not really that huge news except the first time they
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Speaker 1: said it. So I guess, Bucky, what I would ask you,
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Speaker 1: This is about the time that you're done with that
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Speaker 1: level of work, right, and now you're getting to the
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Speaker 1: point where you're resetting the board that the due diligence
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Speaker 1: has been done, right, Yeah, most of the due diligence
9:07
Speaker 1: should have already been done. Like with with Trevor in particular,
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Speaker 1: you knew that he was going to be the guy
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Speaker 1: after the pro day. I think most of the things
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Speaker 1: were done when it came to the background, and so
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Speaker 1: you feel good about who he is and how he's
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Speaker 1: going to represent the franchise, not only as a player,
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Speaker 1: but as the face of the franchise. And so now
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Speaker 1: for some of the other guys, you actually beginning to
9:26
Speaker 1: work through the board and put the final touches. But
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Speaker 1: for the marquee guys, the number one overall pick, yes,
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Speaker 1: that work is done, and it really allows the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: to focus their efforts elsewhere on making sure they get
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Speaker 1: the rest of the first round and the other picks
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Speaker 1: in the other rounds. Right, So Trevor Lawrence is going
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Speaker 1: to be And uh, I know, Bucky, you guys in
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Speaker 1: the NFL media have are working pre draft. Obviously, the
9:51
Speaker 1: draft was a big weekend for all of us, our
9:53
Speaker 1: coverage on Jaguars dot Com. It's really our big offseason focus.
9:56
Speaker 1: But I know you personally, you're building up to the
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Speaker 1: NFL Draft and the coverage on NFL media. What do
10:03
Speaker 1: we expect? So the number one overall pick, so there
10:07
Speaker 1: are some big storylines around Trevor. I'm sure that you
10:10
Speaker 1: guys are working on. Yeah. So we're working on a
10:13
Speaker 1: thing on Move the Sticks called the three sixty series where, um,
10:17
Speaker 1: we're taking a look at Trevor, but Trevor from every angle.
10:20
Speaker 1: So we're not only interviewing his teammates and coaches and
10:24
Speaker 1: those have been around him, but we're going back and
10:26
Speaker 1: talking to some people that have known since high school,
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Speaker 1: that have watched and grow up, talking to his parents
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Speaker 1: so we get a full picture on who he is
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Speaker 1: and why he's become the franchise player that he is
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Speaker 1: going to become, and so it's really fascinating. I think
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Speaker 1: the thing that I would get out of a JP
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Speaker 1: and talking to everybody, he's as good as it gets.
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Speaker 1: Like what we've heard everybody, rubber Stamps, Trevor Lawrence is
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Speaker 1: like a great kid, a guy who is ready for
10:54
Speaker 1: everything that is coming his way. And you walk away
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Speaker 1: from these interviews feeling confident that he's probably gonna be
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Speaker 1: a great player down in Jacksonville, but he's going to
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Speaker 1: make us proud with all the other things that he's
11:07
Speaker 1: going to do as the ultimate leader of the team. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: JP um as Bucky's saying that, I guess what I
11:14
Speaker 1: take away from that is not that Trevor is that,
11:17
Speaker 1: because everything you hear is that he is, but how
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Speaker 1: hard it is to find anybody who is that, even
11:24
Speaker 1: beyond the quarterback stuff. And what I'm getting at there
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Speaker 1: is I've been around quarterbacks, and I'll say when I
11:30
Speaker 1: the first time I met Blaine Gabbert, I believed that
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Speaker 1: he wanted to be really, really good, but I never
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Speaker 1: quite got the vibe that he fully understood what it
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Speaker 1: was gonna take to be great. As not trying to
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Speaker 1: knock Blaine was trying to give some perspective here always
11:45
Speaker 1: sort of out of a hundred things you need, maybe
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Speaker 1: only had ninety seven or nine, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Blake the same way I wondered maybe a Smitch. I
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Speaker 1: love Blake like Blaine, but not quite the complete package.
12:01
Speaker 1: And I covered the complete package for ten years. And
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Speaker 1: in everything you hear about Trevor is boy, that package
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Speaker 1: is complete. You know. Once Luck retired in Indy, you
12:12
Speaker 1: heard things about maybe ninety eight or not quite having
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Speaker 1: to live and be the game enough to come through
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Speaker 1: the injuries that he did, you know, And I don't
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Speaker 1: know that it's just what you hear. But boy, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: everything about Trevor, I'm not saying ten boxes checked. I'm
12:31
Speaker 1: staying a thousand boxes checked where you go deep into
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Speaker 1: this guy needs to be great and wants it that bad.
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Speaker 1: And boy is that rare to hear. And maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: not phrasing it right, but I haven't heard the off
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Speaker 1: field stuff, the complete package stuff on the level of
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence maybe since Peyton came out. Yeah, And I
12:51
Speaker 1: think that's what you're looking for. So it's one thing
12:54
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna say that a it's a lot
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Speaker 1: that Trevor Lawrences want to be this transcended player that
12:59
Speaker 1: he's gonna be All of amer and those things. But
13:01
Speaker 1: if you're a coach and you're an organization, you want
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Speaker 1: someone who's going to squeeze all the juice out to
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Speaker 1: become that kind of player. And so you can live
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Speaker 1: with someone who fails, but fails giving everything that they have.
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Speaker 1: I believe when you talk to the people around Trevor
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Speaker 1: that no Trevor, they say that he's that kind of guy.
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Speaker 1: He is going to exhaust every option and opportunity to
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Speaker 1: be a great player. And if he does that, they're
13:29
Speaker 1: gonna be a bunch of players that come along with him.
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Speaker 1: And so I just believe he is the right pick
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Speaker 1: for the franchise. Where the franchise is at this point, Cartersville,
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Speaker 1: Georgia is northwest of Atlanta. It's you go past Marietta
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Speaker 1: and past Kenna Saw Mountain, the great Civil War battle
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Speaker 1: was there, and you go up a little bit further
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Speaker 1: and Cartersville is just to the west of there. You know, Buck,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like you've been talking to people in town.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Cartersville, Georgia? Bucky, Uh, can't
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Speaker 1: say that I've ever made my way to Cartersville. Maybe
14:03
Speaker 1: one day I will happen to find myself there, but
14:06
Speaker 1: I haven't done that. But the little sampling that I've
14:08
Speaker 1: gotten from talking to people and zooming with those that
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Speaker 1: are in Cartersville, I would say that it's pretty small.
14:14
Speaker 1: I would say that it probably has those old school
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Speaker 1: traditional family values and all those things. Uh and talking
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Speaker 1: to Trevor's parents, Um, he grew up in an environment
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Speaker 1: that I think it's really made him extraordinary in terms
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Speaker 1: of as a role model and leader. I think over
14:29
Speaker 1: the last years so we've seen him grow into that
14:32
Speaker 1: role at Clemson, not only kind of leading the movement
14:35
Speaker 1: to get college football back, but the things that he
14:38
Speaker 1: did to support is teammates and some of the movements
14:41
Speaker 1: that we're going on around the country with social justice
14:44
Speaker 1: and those things. And so I just believe that he
14:47
Speaker 1: steps into Jacksonville, when he walks into the building, we're
14:52
Speaker 1: going to see a leader and a leader that really
14:55
Speaker 1: reminds you of the great leaders that have played the position.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think some of that has been shape
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Speaker 1: from his time at Cartersville. John It's interesting because he's
15:03
Speaker 1: even in high school in the early days in high school,
15:05
Speaker 1: big time prospect, you know for for college schools coming
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Speaker 1: out and lived up to that hype right gets to
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Speaker 1: Clemson as a freshman, they win the national championship. He's,
15:17
Speaker 1: you know, of course, last year the a C C
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Speaker 1: Player of the Year and the runner up for the
15:21
Speaker 1: Hisman Trophy. So it lived up to that building when
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Speaker 1: he finally got to Clemson. Now he's got another huge
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Speaker 1: billing coming into the NFL, and Johnny's got to live
15:30
Speaker 1: up to this too. I've always thought sometimes there are
15:33
Speaker 1: players who can it's not a great thing once they
15:36
Speaker 1: get to the NFL that they have been the number
15:39
Speaker 1: one guy all throughout their lives, because sometimes it can
15:44
Speaker 1: push them the other way where there's a little bit
15:47
Speaker 1: of entitlement with a quarterback. Though I think it's different
15:51
Speaker 1: because a quarterback when they're the number one guy throughout
15:54
Speaker 1: their lives. And Bucky may have more thoughts on this
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Speaker 1: night because he's been around players, uh in locker rooms,
16:01
Speaker 1: and I've been around players, but not as a teammate.
16:04
Speaker 1: But when you're the number one guy as a quarterback
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Speaker 1: your entire life, that means you've had to lead your
16:10
Speaker 1: entire life. It means you've had the pressure of being
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Speaker 1: the guy and you've had to deal with it, and
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Speaker 1: I think for those guys, I think it helps for
16:19
Speaker 1: quarterback most guys there. I think when you're the quarterback
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Speaker 1: and you've had to have that target in your back
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Speaker 1: the whole time, I think it can't do anything but help.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, John. I think you've been
16:30
Speaker 1: around elite quarterbacks in your past and you know what
16:34
Speaker 1: they what they feel like. You know kind of how
16:37
Speaker 1: they change. We call them thermostat leaders. They change the
16:40
Speaker 1: temperature of the room when they step in there. And
16:43
Speaker 1: some of that is because they've already they've always had
16:46
Speaker 1: this the weight of the world on their shoulders, and
16:49
Speaker 1: they're very, very comfortable in that environment. I believe Urban
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Speaker 1: mar coach Meyer thinks Trevor is the right guy to
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Speaker 1: be the franchise quarterback because he's always had lived that
17:00
Speaker 1: existence that he's always been the guy that said the bulls,
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Speaker 1: that had to target on his back, and he's always
17:06
Speaker 1: come through. I think there's something about those guys who
17:10
Speaker 1: everyone expects them to be great and they live up
17:14
Speaker 1: to it, and so it's not only their performance, but
17:17
Speaker 1: it's how that performance or that perspective well, inspire those
17:21
Speaker 1: around them to raise their own levels. I just think
17:24
Speaker 1: this is going to be a great marriage Trevor Lawrence
17:27
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars. And I'm saying that knowing he may
17:30
Speaker 1: not be the player that we're talking about, but I
17:33
Speaker 1: firmly I fully expect him to be the leader that
17:36
Speaker 1: we're talking about and what we're expecting him to be
17:39
Speaker 1: when he walks through those doors. Well, a couple of
17:41
Speaker 1: thoughts that we can move on. I keep thinking with
17:44
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, the number one picks a huge responsibility
17:48
Speaker 1: and a huge swing right. It feels like they're hitting
17:51
Speaker 1: a batting practice pitch with it as opposed to a curve. Meaning,
17:55
Speaker 1: if you've got to take a swing like this, wouldn't
17:58
Speaker 1: you rather be swinging with this guy? He gives you
18:01
Speaker 1: a great It's all percentages, it's all risk, but your
18:05
Speaker 1: risk is so much lower with this guy then most
18:08
Speaker 1: guys you're swinging at, so you feel good about it.
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Speaker 1: And I almost get the impression from Urban's comments this week,
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Speaker 1: I've got some questions about due diligence. Have they done
18:16
Speaker 1: their due diligence? Why didn't they go to the other
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Speaker 1: pro days? I get the idea from listening to him
18:21
Speaker 1: talk about Trevor Lawrence that they've done their due diligence.
18:25
Speaker 1: They keep peeling back the onion, and yet they keep
18:28
Speaker 1: liking what they find so much that they're thinking, why
18:31
Speaker 1: go anywhere else. It's not like they're peeling this one
18:34
Speaker 1: layer and going, oh, I don't like the smell of that.
18:36
Speaker 1: So it's almost like they're not peeling an onion. They
18:38
Speaker 1: keep peeling like a rose and they like the different thing,
18:41
Speaker 1: you know. So that's my impression is that they keep
18:45
Speaker 1: liking what they see so much. It's like, look, we
18:48
Speaker 1: keep liking everything we find out. We are so lucky
18:52
Speaker 1: to have this pick this year that you almost can't
18:55
Speaker 1: believe that what you keep finding is this good. So
19:00
Speaker 1: that's my thought, can keep going, keep doing. I never
19:02
Speaker 1: expected John Oshan to give us a Bachelor reference in
19:06
Speaker 1: terms of passing out roses and who goes on and
19:09
Speaker 1: those things. Well, I'm not the fan on this podcastucky,
19:12
Speaker 1: like like, like, here we go, we're now passing out
19:15
Speaker 1: roses because we're we're in love with everything that Trevor
19:19
Speaker 1: Lawrence represents, and so I'm for it. I don't do
19:23
Speaker 1: that Bachelor. I'm I'm so excited to welcome you to
19:27
Speaker 1: pop culture. Speaking speaking of betting practice fastballs. That was
19:35
Speaker 1: one for Bucky right there tonight on the Romance Network.
19:44
Speaker 1: It's so great. As you're talking about feeling, you're filling
19:47
Speaker 1: back the petals on the roses, and so here we are,
19:49
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. All right, Yes, this is the Huddle Up Podcast.
19:53
Speaker 1: You get more than just football here, JP Shattrick, John
19:56
Speaker 1: Osier and Bucky Brooks. You know, this is our first
19:59
Speaker 1: conversation since all hell broke loose last Friday in the
20:03
Speaker 1: National Football League with the trades, the forty Niners moved
20:07
Speaker 1: from twelve to three, the Dolphins moved down to twelve,
20:10
Speaker 1: and then back up to six five minutes later. First
20:13
Speaker 1: round draft picks are getting thrown around the league like
20:16
Speaker 1: they're nothing, and everybody's chasing quarterbacks. Of course, so that happens,
20:21
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a great place to be not
20:23
Speaker 1: to have to worry about any of that stuff. Jaguars
20:25
Speaker 1: brass is kicked back watching the carnage unfold behind them
20:29
Speaker 1: in the rear view mirror. It makes me think, and
20:31
Speaker 1: maybe I'm off base here, Bucky, but maybe you can
20:34
Speaker 1: shoot me straight here. You know, everybody's chasing the quarterback
20:36
Speaker 1: this year. It happens most years, But what about the
20:39
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and next year's draft. It feels like to me
20:43
Speaker 1: that the class, at least right now, we haven't even
20:46
Speaker 1: had a full season. Obviously one more season to go.
20:49
Speaker 1: The class right now is not as heralded. I would say,
20:53
Speaker 1: is the one this year? The names on the list,
20:56
Speaker 1: guys like bow Nicks and Spencer Rattler and Sam how
20:59
Speaker 1: And of offense, he's a North Carolina guy. Don't seem
21:02
Speaker 1: like the names that are available this year. Is that fair? Yeah?
21:06
Speaker 1: I think it is fair. I think people view this
21:08
Speaker 1: class as a very special class. That's why you're seeing
21:10
Speaker 1: the rush to give up top. You know, JP, When
21:13
Speaker 1: I think about the quarterback class issue, it is a
21:15
Speaker 1: special class. I believe there's four then one Treble n
21:18
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, just the fields, trade Lance. I believe those
21:20
Speaker 1: are the superstars of the class. Mac Jones is getting
21:23
Speaker 1: a lot of love. People are putting them in that category.
21:26
Speaker 1: I'm not in that group, but I think there's some
21:28
Speaker 1: that view him as a very special player. And then
21:32
Speaker 1: when you look at two, there's a lot of uncertainty.
21:36
Speaker 1: But as we know, when the draft draws near to
21:38
Speaker 1: two class, we'll talk about those quarterbacks in the same light.
21:41
Speaker 1: But this year's class, it is really extraordinary in terms
21:45
Speaker 1: of the talent and also the football character that comes
21:49
Speaker 1: with these guys. I believe that most of these guys
21:53
Speaker 1: should have some success. Normally, you'll see two guys out
21:56
Speaker 1: of the draft class pop one or two guys that
21:58
Speaker 1: be okay, and one guy is going to offen sours
22:00
Speaker 1: trying to figure out which guy has the best chance
22:03
Speaker 1: to really reach the highest heights. I believe we'll see
22:07
Speaker 1: two of those guys reached. That quarterbacks always moved the needle, John,
22:10
Speaker 1: That's why everybody, everybody's making these drastic moves. I'll refer
22:14
Speaker 1: here to the podcast of Peter King again because he
22:16
Speaker 1: made a really interesting point that I had not, i guess,
22:18
Speaker 1: thought of as in depth as Peter did. That what
22:22
Speaker 1: we're seeing, too is a an unbelievable ratcheting up of
22:27
Speaker 1: the zeal for the quarterback position in the NFL, which
22:31
Speaker 1: is saying something because it's always been the most important position.
22:33
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about teams now who make Super
22:38
Speaker 1: Bowls with quarterbacks such as Garoppolo and then turn around
22:42
Speaker 1: and give up their franchise for the position again. And
22:47
Speaker 1: we've never seen the dramatic moves at the position as
22:51
Speaker 1: we've seen the last two or three years. So it's
22:54
Speaker 1: not only the fact that there's an unbelievable quarterback class
22:56
Speaker 1: right now, it's that people are willing to give up
22:59
Speaker 1: so much more of the rest of their team to
23:02
Speaker 1: get that position right that in a quarterback league, and
23:07
Speaker 1: it's been a quarterback the league since I've covered it,
23:09
Speaker 1: which is long before that, it has never been more
23:13
Speaker 1: of a quarterback league than it is right now, and
23:17
Speaker 1: teams are absolutely desperate to fill the position. And the
23:21
Speaker 1: premise for me talking to Peter about it is how
23:24
Speaker 1: fortunate of the Jaguars in this quarterbacks crazy league where
23:28
Speaker 1: it's on steroids to have a situation where they don't
23:32
Speaker 1: have to make moves to get one who knows whether
23:34
Speaker 1: it's going to work out, but if it doesn't work out,
23:36
Speaker 1: they have a mortgaged their future to do it. Well,
23:38
Speaker 1: there are teams right now that if these moves don't
23:42
Speaker 1: work out, not only do they have the quarterback, but
23:44
Speaker 1: they don't have any draft capital either. This is insane
23:47
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. Compared to what's going on
23:49
Speaker 1: historically at this position. Oh, I love it, John, I
23:52
Speaker 1: love it because now we're we're playing fantasy football, and
23:58
Speaker 1: we also are no longer treating the quarterbacks endangered species
24:01
Speaker 1: before because the guy was the QB one. Regardless of
24:04
Speaker 1: how good he was, and if you really believe that
24:06
Speaker 1: he could get you to the Super Bowl, he had
24:08
Speaker 1: like a tenure run at the position because he was
24:10
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And now what we're seeing general managers are
24:14
Speaker 1: moving off quarterbacks that they don't believe are special. And
24:18
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple of things that have
24:20
Speaker 1: happened that have led us to this point. One the
24:23
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes deal. I don't want to make Pat Mahomes
24:26
Speaker 1: out to be more than he is, but I think
24:28
Speaker 1: what has happened is people have been on the field
24:31
Speaker 1: and they've seen the special talent that Pat Mahomes is
24:35
Speaker 1: and they're saying, if we're going to win a Super Bowl,
24:38
Speaker 1: we're going to have to knock that kind of talent off,
24:40
Speaker 1: potentially in a shootout. The other thing, we are seeing
24:45
Speaker 1: guys that are coming out of the Shanahan tree. They're
24:48
Speaker 1: looking at Matt la Flu and they're looking at all
24:50
Speaker 1: the fund that he had with Aaron Rodgers and how
24:53
Speaker 1: and Rodgers made those plays come to life, and they're
24:56
Speaker 1: looking at their own quarterbacks and they're not happy that
24:59
Speaker 1: they're I can't make the play look like Aaron Rodgers
25:02
Speaker 1: has been able to make it look from la floor.
25:06
Speaker 1: So you have Sean McVeigh, who's the Shanahanda Ciber that
25:08
Speaker 1: is looking at Jerry Golf who took him to a
25:11
Speaker 1: super Bowl and say, yeah, that's nice, but that's not
25:13
Speaker 1: good enough. I want more. You've seen Jim mcgaroppolo and
25:17
Speaker 1: Cal Shanahan who's in the Super Bowl winning in the
25:20
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and he's saying, yeah, that's great. I called
25:23
Speaker 1: a perfect game. Man. It seems are like, no, no no, no, no,
25:26
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a special one. And I don't
25:27
Speaker 1: care what I give up to get him, because if
25:30
Speaker 1: I find him, he changes everything within the franchise. This
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26:23
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. Bucky, give us an idea of where
26:26
Speaker 1: you are now as we record this podcast and play
26:28
Speaker 1: by play if you will, sir. Okay, So I just
26:30
Speaker 1: jumped out the four or five. I'm now on the
26:32
Speaker 1: one on one and I'm making my way home, so
26:34
Speaker 1: I'm almost there. Like it was, it was very nice.
26:37
Speaker 1: Traffic wasn't as bad as it normally is. It's always
26:40
Speaker 1: it's been enjoyable being able to talk to my guys
26:43
Speaker 1: and drive like it. It's good. Glad we can help
26:45
Speaker 1: your commute, Bucky, whatever we can do to help you
26:49
Speaker 1: will do just that for you. Here. Let's move along now, guys,
26:54
Speaker 1: we've already kind of discussed the change of heart for
26:56
Speaker 1: Tyson Aloo. Of course, the story has been well hold
27:00
Speaker 1: by now. He contracted COVID apparently, and had to stay
27:03
Speaker 1: where he was and couldn't come for the physical and
27:06
Speaker 1: to sign the contract, had a change of heart, went
27:09
Speaker 1: back to the Steelers. So the question now is do
27:13
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have to go out and do something else
27:17
Speaker 1: to fill that spot? John are are are you comfortable
27:20
Speaker 1: waiting until the draft to fill whatever role that was
27:22
Speaker 1: going to be for Tyson? Well, I'm guessing that whether
27:25
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable or not, they will wait until the draft.
27:28
Speaker 1: They went back and they resigned Gods, which makes sense
27:31
Speaker 1: for a if it's not a placeholder, it's a guy
27:35
Speaker 1: that showed last year he can play. Yeah, I don't
27:38
Speaker 1: know if he's pro bowler Adam Gods, as he can play.
27:41
Speaker 1: He was productive. I think the thing to remember is
27:44
Speaker 1: the off season isn't over now, and it won't be
27:48
Speaker 1: over after the draft, and you're gonna see some moves.
27:52
Speaker 1: I would think this year maybe a couple of more
27:54
Speaker 1: than you would normally see you because of the salary
27:58
Speaker 1: cap around the June for State. So I don't know
28:02
Speaker 1: that this is over yet. But I also don't know
28:05
Speaker 1: that you necessarily want to reach and pay a guy
28:09
Speaker 1: over his value just because of what happened with Tyson.
28:13
Speaker 1: I think Tyson's a blow. I think that hurts because
28:16
Speaker 1: I liked how he was gonna fit in this and
28:18
Speaker 1: I'm sure Joe Colin really liked how he's gonna fit
28:20
Speaker 1: Joe and had him. So I'm not gonna diminish what
28:22
Speaker 1: they lost there. But I don't know that you necessarily
28:26
Speaker 1: go out before the draft and overspend, see what happens
28:29
Speaker 1: in the draft, and then see what happens the rest
28:31
Speaker 1: of the year in free agent. The off season is
28:33
Speaker 1: not over yet. We think, yeah, the off season isn't over.
28:36
Speaker 1: One of the things that you lose, though, is a
28:37
Speaker 1: guy that you know. Uh. That was really a theme
28:41
Speaker 1: of the off season when it came to the signings.
28:43
Speaker 1: Most of the coaches knew the guys that they were
28:45
Speaker 1: bringing into the position room, and so from a cultural standpoint,
28:48
Speaker 1: you felt like you had a group of guys that
28:51
Speaker 1: were coming in that kind of always under already understood
28:54
Speaker 1: the expectations in terms of performance and culturally how we
28:58
Speaker 1: wanted things to go and so what changes a little bit.
29:01
Speaker 1: But I think they will be able to find a
29:03
Speaker 1: veteran in the bargain basement been right after the draft
29:05
Speaker 1: if they're unable to secure the services of a young
29:08
Speaker 1: guy doing the draft. But what you don't want to do? JP? Okay,
29:13
Speaker 1: yes they wanted Tyson, and I don't think anybody would
29:15
Speaker 1: tell you it would be disingenuous say they didn't because
29:18
Speaker 1: they went out and signed it. But don't compound that
29:21
Speaker 1: loss by going out and doing something silly just because
29:25
Speaker 1: you lost. Make sure that whatever you do fits value,
29:29
Speaker 1: fits with because you don't want to sign a guy
29:31
Speaker 1: overpay a guy and mess up your cat moving forward
29:35
Speaker 1: because this is still a process. You know, you know,
29:37
Speaker 1: so make a smart decision. Don't react basic because you
29:42
Speaker 1: didn't get the records you want. Don't go out and
29:44
Speaker 1: buy a triple album. It's not very good, good point
29:49
Speaker 1: where to go. Let's move along here on the podcast,
29:53
Speaker 1: JP Shatrick, John osre and but the vinyl reference buck
29:56
Speaker 1: for you, l a guy, you're probably driving by Capitol
29:59
Speaker 1: Records right out. That's a vinyl. I mean, I got it,
30:03
Speaker 1: I got it. So much, I mean so much that
30:05
Speaker 1: we're adding to the podcast like this is I mean,
30:07
Speaker 1: this is phenomenal. John. You're you're on your game today.
30:10
Speaker 1: You're on the one on one Bucky? Are you is
30:12
Speaker 1: that near Burbank? Where are you right now? Okay, so
30:15
Speaker 1: you can take it one way to go towards Burbank.
30:18
Speaker 1: I am going away for that, like I'm going away.
30:21
Speaker 1: Like the way that I'm going is past in sin
30:23
Speaker 1: and with the hills and Calabasas, almost as if we're
30:26
Speaker 1: heading to the Rams. Thank you for the geography lesson.
30:29
Speaker 1: We appreciate that. In Los Angeles. Let's move along now.
30:32
Speaker 1: You know, we were gonna introduce what we bring all
30:35
Speaker 1: these different segments in here, but this is where I
30:38
Speaker 1: think Bucky is really going to shine, but not to
30:41
Speaker 1: he has already, you know, at just throwing it out there.
30:48
Speaker 1: Prospect comparison discussion. And I've picked two from two different
30:53
Speaker 1: position groups that are coming up in the draft this year,
30:56
Speaker 1: running back and defensive backs actually safeties. Uh you know
31:00
Speaker 1: running back, there's the school thought you don't want to
31:04
Speaker 1: take one of the first round. If you asked Pete Prisco,
31:07
Speaker 1: hell no, you wouldn't do it. In the first round.
31:09
Speaker 1: But there's some big time names there of course that
31:11
Speaker 1: could go early. Not the Jaguars really need to do that,
31:14
Speaker 1: but there are big names there. Naja Harris of Alabama,
31:17
Speaker 1: Travis Eti, n of Clemson, Bucky. Where are you on
31:21
Speaker 1: each of these guys and would you compare them for us? Oh?
31:24
Speaker 1: I like both of those guys. I like Naja Harris
31:26
Speaker 1: a little more than at the end. Naja Harris to me,
31:30
Speaker 1: is really a rare fun because you just don't find
31:33
Speaker 1: big guys who can do what he does with the
31:35
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. Not only is an inside runner,
31:37
Speaker 1: but his ability to make plays in the passing end
31:40
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of Matt Forte when Matt Forte
31:43
Speaker 1: was in his prime with the Chicago Boberts. Travis Antienne
31:46
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of Jamal Charles when he
31:49
Speaker 1: was kind of racking up Pro Bowl honors with the
31:51
Speaker 1: Kan City Chiefs. He has terrific speed and quickness. Uh.
31:55
Speaker 1: He's a one cup runner, so you're not gonna see
31:57
Speaker 1: a lot of wiggle, a lot of dance. But man,
31:58
Speaker 1: when he puts his foot on the ground on the
32:00
Speaker 1: spots increase he can take at the distance. He is
32:03
Speaker 1: not as natural a pass catcher as NJ, but he's
32:06
Speaker 1: effective in the passing game. And once again, if you
32:09
Speaker 1: can get him in the open field and let him
32:11
Speaker 1: go one on one with guys, he is going to
32:13
Speaker 1: put the ball into bank. I go way back with
32:15
Speaker 1: Pete JP and I I agree with him on the
32:18
Speaker 1: first half of the first round. On a running back,
32:21
Speaker 1: I don't mind it late because a lot of times
32:26
Speaker 1: you're late first round guy is a lot of times
32:29
Speaker 1: a second round guy. In reality, the first rounders are
32:33
Speaker 1: not all created equal. Pick is not the fourth pick.
32:36
Speaker 1: So I don't mind running back if you think it's
32:39
Speaker 1: impactful and special and if you think you're getting five
32:42
Speaker 1: years of special out of a guy that I'm finally
32:45
Speaker 1: taking running back as long as not in the top half.
32:48
Speaker 1: But I'm curious about Bucky. You're a guy from North Carolina.
32:51
Speaker 1: A lot of people have him now with these top
32:54
Speaker 1: two guys, same thing, same guys. Vat Williams is a
32:59
Speaker 1: beast because they're two has. There's Javonton Williams and Michael Carter,
33:03
Speaker 1: and Javonton Williams is as aggressive as they come with
33:07
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. He's a high school linebacker
33:09
Speaker 1: who's also a valedictorian. So he is smart, he's tough,
33:13
Speaker 1: he's physical, not the fastest, but man, when he gets it,
33:17
Speaker 1: he punishes guys in a way. When I look at him,
33:22
Speaker 1: he's not quite Frank Gore, but he has that ability
33:26
Speaker 1: to play like that at the next level, meaning he's rugged,
33:29
Speaker 1: he's durable. He can put up those triple digits as
33:33
Speaker 1: a rusher, but he also catches the ball well out
33:36
Speaker 1: of the backfield when you go all the way back.
33:38
Speaker 1: It's hard to envision frame Board now because he's I mean,
33:41
Speaker 1: seventeen year in the league. But the guy that was
33:44
Speaker 1: four or five years in the league death Frank Board.
33:46
Speaker 1: Javonton Williams has some of that in his game. He
33:48
Speaker 1: loves the tar heels, loves the tar heel guys always
33:51
Speaker 1: loves the tar heel guys. It's uh, it's Bucky Brooks
33:54
Speaker 1: for you. Let's move along, kidding of course, the safeties,
33:59
Speaker 1: you know, and that's a shouldn't Bucky where in your
34:01
Speaker 1: last mock draft, I think two point oh you have
34:04
Speaker 1: the Jaguars at taking Trevan Moregg of TCU. So I'm
34:08
Speaker 1: gonna get you to compare him with a guy who
34:12
Speaker 1: his name is starting to pop up a lot now,
34:14
Speaker 1: Richie Grant, Central Florida. What do you know about those guys?
34:17
Speaker 1: Two really good players. Mary is is a guy like
34:21
Speaker 1: coming out of TCU. The way they play him. He
34:23
Speaker 1: plays a lot of man coverage over slide defenders. He
34:26
Speaker 1: has great man to man cover skills for a guy
34:28
Speaker 1: that is a safety. Uh. He plays almost like a corner.
34:32
Speaker 1: But he also has the ability to play tough and physical. Uh.
34:36
Speaker 1: He can get around a line of scrimmage and make
34:38
Speaker 1: a lot of plays. You know, it's really really hard
34:41
Speaker 1: to find a true comparison. I would say, maybe, uh,
34:46
Speaker 1: Kevin Byard who's kind of in our division uh at Tennessee,
34:50
Speaker 1: who made a lot of players on the ball. He
34:52
Speaker 1: has some of that in his game. Doesn't have as
34:55
Speaker 1: many interception but he certainly is impactful in the passing game.
34:59
Speaker 1: Richie Uran is another one of those guys, not as
35:01
Speaker 1: big but active, really flies around and it makes a
35:06
Speaker 1: lot of things happen at that position. Um. Not quite
35:10
Speaker 1: the banger that I would say Mary gives in terms
35:13
Speaker 1: of attacking, but instincts, awareness, ball skills. You like that,
35:18
Speaker 1: you know, in a way I would kind of put
35:20
Speaker 1: him into Eric Weddle category. Not quite the ball hawk,
35:25
Speaker 1: but Eric Weddle had the ability to do a lot
35:29
Speaker 1: of things and you just kind of look up at
35:31
Speaker 1: the ball finds him. I think Richie Grant has a
35:34
Speaker 1: little bit of that to a game. I have a
35:36
Speaker 1: question for the scout JP. I've asked you this on
35:39
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball about tight end for Bucky.
35:42
Speaker 1: It strikes me, is safety meaning really really good safety
35:48
Speaker 1: the guy that matters? Is it? Just? Are we asking
35:51
Speaker 1: too much of this position now? Is it too hard
35:54
Speaker 1: to play to find a truly great player at safety?
35:58
Speaker 1: Or have I just not covered great players it's safety
36:00
Speaker 1: since Bob Sanders back into day. Because I think it
36:04
Speaker 1: just seems really hard to find and you're asking so
36:07
Speaker 1: much to have a guy who can who can slam
36:09
Speaker 1: the run and cover backs and do the cover's responsibilities.
36:14
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's that many on the planet you
36:16
Speaker 1: can do it. They're not that many on the planet.
36:19
Speaker 1: You're right, is a very very difficult position to find
36:23
Speaker 1: guys who can can get it done because you're asking
36:26
Speaker 1: them depending on the scheme that you play, you're asking
36:28
Speaker 1: them to cover like corners. You want them to come
36:30
Speaker 1: in the box to hit light linebackers. You want them
36:33
Speaker 1: to have a high i Q so they can line
36:35
Speaker 1: up the defense almost like the mic linebacker. Hard to
36:38
Speaker 1: find guys that can do it. I think what we're
36:40
Speaker 1: seeing the league has evolved to where you have specialists
36:43
Speaker 1: and you build the defense around the special qualities that
36:46
Speaker 1: the safety has. So for instance, Jamal Adams in Seattle, now, uh,
36:50
Speaker 1: not necessarily a great cover guy, but he is so
36:52
Speaker 1: disruptive around the line of scrimmers. So what they do
36:55
Speaker 1: is they'll use them a quasi linebacker who is also
36:58
Speaker 1: a pastoris. We saw him have seven or eight stacks
37:01
Speaker 1: off the edge. There are other guys that are kind
37:03
Speaker 1: of like the ornament on the top of the Christmas tree,
37:06
Speaker 1: that are center field players that can prevent the balls
37:08
Speaker 1: from flying over the top of the defense, and they
37:10
Speaker 1: make their plays that way. You don't want those guys
37:13
Speaker 1: to be active in a line of scrimmage, but if
37:15
Speaker 1: you're a team just trying to play a lot of
37:17
Speaker 1: Cover three and keep the ball in front of the defense,
37:20
Speaker 1: those guys are necessary. And so a lot of the
37:22
Speaker 1: job description is about how you play and can you
37:26
Speaker 1: clearly identify what it is that you need for your
37:29
Speaker 1: scheme to thrive. You have a couple of comparisons of
37:32
Speaker 1: the running backs and safety, some notable names coming up
37:36
Speaker 1: with the NFL Draft. Let's get a couple of social
37:38
Speaker 1: media questions in and let's start off today with at
37:41
Speaker 1: evan Off Joel, do you see Josh Allen as a
37:45
Speaker 1: true left end or will he improve by playing in
37:48
Speaker 1: the outside linebacker role. That's the big question, right what
37:52
Speaker 1: will the Jags play? Everybody has a three four four
37:56
Speaker 1: three this and then they're gonna do everything. We've already
37:58
Speaker 1: said that. Where could could Josh Allen really thrive? Standing
38:03
Speaker 1: up again? Stand up? But a lot of it depends
38:05
Speaker 1: on Josh Allen. I think the first thing that you
38:07
Speaker 1: do when you're calling this, you go to Josh Allen.
38:09
Speaker 1: You ask him, what do you feel like is your
38:12
Speaker 1: best stance when it comes to Russian the past. Some
38:14
Speaker 1: guys like being in an upright stands two point stance.
38:17
Speaker 1: Other guys like having their hand in the dirt so
38:19
Speaker 1: they can get off as as a sprinter um and
38:22
Speaker 1: attract me. I think for Josh Allen, what we know
38:25
Speaker 1: is seven percent of the time the Jaguars will be
38:28
Speaker 1: in some form of a nickel package where they have
38:30
Speaker 1: a four down line, they'll get after the quarterback and
38:33
Speaker 1: he is going to be in one of those spots.
38:36
Speaker 1: The trick will be is he a guy that only
38:38
Speaker 1: plays one or is he versatile enough to do multiple
38:42
Speaker 1: things at the line of scrimlege to take advantage of mismatches.
38:45
Speaker 1: I think he's a special player as a pass fresher.
38:48
Speaker 1: You want to give him his best strands to be successful.
38:50
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it is a cooperation
38:52
Speaker 1: between what you want to do scheme wise and what
38:55
Speaker 1: he does at his best. Yeah, JP, I think he
38:57
Speaker 1: can do both. There's been a lot of theories that, oh,
39:00
Speaker 1: he can't do it without Calais on the other side,
39:03
Speaker 1: because he did that as a rookie, I've heard theories, well,
39:06
Speaker 1: he he'll be better in a three four. Look, he didn't.
39:09
Speaker 1: He wasn't as productive as he wanted to be last year.
39:11
Speaker 1: I think for him last year was a lost year.
39:13
Speaker 1: I think for the whole team it just sort of
39:15
Speaker 1: got out of whack quickly. I think Josh Allen is
39:18
Speaker 1: going to be special in this league. Whether he has
39:20
Speaker 1: his hand on the ground or not. My guess is
39:22
Speaker 1: he will have his hand off the ground more now,
39:26
Speaker 1: so it will be credited to three four. But I
39:29
Speaker 1: think he is special, elite and that once things get
39:32
Speaker 1: going right, he's gonna be a huge part of that.
39:35
Speaker 1: So to me, put him wherever, he'll be fine. And
39:39
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be von Miller type good. I
39:42
Speaker 1: still believe that out of him. So so we'll see.
39:46
Speaker 1: And I guess what I mean by that. I don't
39:48
Speaker 1: know if he's von Miller level, but I think he
39:51
Speaker 1: can be as important to this defense as a von
39:54
Speaker 1: Miller was to Denver in terms of being a guy
39:57
Speaker 1: you can build around. So yeah, I will say it's
39:59
Speaker 1: von Miller. He just said it. Heard it. I mean,
40:02
Speaker 1: I mean, man, you don't double it. I don't disagree,
40:05
Speaker 1: because the von Miller that we're talking about was a
40:07
Speaker 1: guy that for John Fox in Denver, he played in
40:10
Speaker 1: the three four. He was that edge player. Uh he
40:13
Speaker 1: did play left defensive end and took advantage of right tackles.
40:17
Speaker 1: That is the move potentially for Josh Allen a lot
40:21
Speaker 1: of times and yesteryear, teams will put their best pass
40:25
Speaker 1: rusher at right defensive end against the left tackle the
40:28
Speaker 1: quarterback's blind side. Well, now, We're seeing more guys put
40:31
Speaker 1: it on the front side so the quarterback can see
40:33
Speaker 1: and feel the pressure right in front of his face.
40:35
Speaker 1: Most of the time, when you have a guy at
40:37
Speaker 1: left defensive vand he's going against an inferior pass protector
40:41
Speaker 1: at right tackle, maybe they can find a way to
40:44
Speaker 1: do that to jump start Josh Allen as a ten
40:47
Speaker 1: to twelve sack guy per season. Our next question from
40:51
Speaker 1: at Denton Thomas, and this is a long one. I'm
40:54
Speaker 1: gonna really kind of cut this one down a little
40:56
Speaker 1: bit as we get closer to the draft. Who do
40:58
Speaker 1: you draft three and forty five and one and in
41:01
Speaker 1: what order? So he's got he's got two guys per
41:05
Speaker 1: position here, so we're just gonna go position tight end,
41:08
Speaker 1: wide receiver, edge rusher, safety or is there a position
41:13
Speaker 1: group that he left out? Just quickly, you know, John,
41:16
Speaker 1: what do you think? Is there an order or whatever
41:18
Speaker 1: is available for you? They worked hard to hit themselves
41:21
Speaker 1: up for that, and if it's me, I'm more and
41:25
Speaker 1: more like the idea of safety. I think I'm getting
41:29
Speaker 1: a question right safety and biggest impact skill guy at
41:36
Speaker 1: thirty three, And i know I'm not mentioning tight end there,
41:40
Speaker 1: but safety to me, feels like you can get it
41:42
Speaker 1: fixed there with more I like the idea of that
41:44
Speaker 1: guy and then maybe skill position next. But I don't
41:49
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do with that spot. You know,
41:51
Speaker 1: at some points, a couple of things you've got to
41:53
Speaker 1: get fixed. Draft the best available down there. To me,
41:55
Speaker 1: Bucky wins the seven round mock coming, Oh that's not coming.
41:59
Speaker 1: That's way too much. We too much. We're trying to
42:02
Speaker 1: predict who's gonna take it. And I mean it's a
42:07
Speaker 1: good it's a good opportunity to get some names out,
42:09
Speaker 1: but oh no, no, no, somebody else needs to do that.
42:11
Speaker 1: Heavy lifted. Who did Jaguars taking in the fifth round? John? Okay? Whatever?
42:18
Speaker 1: Hey John, I do like your theory though, like, uh,
42:20
Speaker 1: safety at coming back? Get a playmaker uh in the
42:25
Speaker 1: second round? Maybe the best pass catcher that you can
42:29
Speaker 1: find um tied in, preferably someone that can do it
42:34
Speaker 1: a little differently. It would be nice to be able
42:36
Speaker 1: to create mismatches on the perimeter, but I would be
42:40
Speaker 1: good with Pat Faremouth or a guy like Hunter Long
42:44
Speaker 1: from Boston College that can catch it. If you go
42:46
Speaker 1: in those later rounds, like in the third round and
42:49
Speaker 1: those things you dealing with a different deal with a
42:51
Speaker 1: different type. Let's got one final question in and you know,
42:54
Speaker 1: there's a lot of news on Tuesday about the International
42:57
Speaker 1: Series game starting in and be on and the entire
43:01
Speaker 1: league will have to rotate through games internationally at that time.
43:05
Speaker 1: But the question here is from at PS Duffy. No
43:08
Speaker 1: word on international games in question, mark, I guess that
43:12
Speaker 1: makes it a question well as of right now. No, right, um,
43:17
Speaker 1: so there's not anything for yet. The schedule sounds like
43:20
Speaker 1: it's gonna be out early May, so you would think
43:24
Speaker 1: that a week or two maybe prior to that, you
43:28
Speaker 1: might hear something substantial about that, whether it's announced publicly
43:33
Speaker 1: or not. Teams that would be involved have to start
43:36
Speaker 1: getting preparations ready. From the Jags perspective, they do not
43:41
Speaker 1: have a deal in place with Wembley Stadium, but that's
43:45
Speaker 1: still so early. We don't know anything yet. And that's
43:48
Speaker 1: even if they have games. That's the other part that
43:50
Speaker 1: they haven't decided. With COVID and everything going on, what's
43:54
Speaker 1: that going to look like? So it may not even
43:57
Speaker 1: really happen this year. That's still up in the air
43:59
Speaker 1: as well. You know, we say it like this, everybody
44:01
Speaker 1: to say, why why don't you just answer the question? Well? Sometimes,
44:05
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes the question can't get answered because you
44:07
Speaker 1: don't know the facts, and this is absolutely one of those.
44:10
Speaker 1: I don't any questions. Have made it known for years.
44:13
Speaker 1: They like the idea of playing a game and lone.
44:14
Speaker 1: I think it's it's their preference. They want to play
44:17
Speaker 1: one there for a lot of different reasons. But because
44:19
Speaker 1: of COVID, we don't know how that's going to play
44:21
Speaker 1: out logistically yet. We know if they're going to be
44:24
Speaker 1: allowed to We don't know all the London things. So
44:26
Speaker 1: I think all the Jaguars people would say, hey, we
44:29
Speaker 1: would love to know the answer to this question. We
44:31
Speaker 1: don't know it yet. I think back to COVID last
44:33
Speaker 1: year and it first started. There are all kinds of
44:34
Speaker 1: questions people don't know the answers to yet. I think
44:37
Speaker 1: this is still one that you don't know the answer
44:38
Speaker 1: to yet. Yeah, but maybe maybe soon we'll find out
44:41
Speaker 1: one way or another. Bucky, you have been commuting this
44:45
Speaker 1: entire podcast. We've come to a conclusion here on the pod.
44:49
Speaker 1: How far are you from a conclusion of your commute? Well, JP,
44:53
Speaker 1: I am going to uh my high school football practice.
44:57
Speaker 1: So I am maybe five minutes away from stepping into
45:02
Speaker 1: Granada Hills Charter High School, and so I've made it.
45:06
Speaker 1: I had just he's driving so long. I thought maybe
45:12
Speaker 1: he just decided to leave it all behind. He had
45:14
Speaker 1: gotten he had gotten in his car after an interview
45:18
Speaker 1: and just said, you know what, I'm heading east until
45:22
Speaker 1: I arrived somewhere. I thought maybe we were seeing the
45:25
Speaker 1: beginning of a new life. Yeah, just leave it all behind.
45:29
Speaker 1: I'm just it's gonna drive one bag. Yeah, pack it up,
45:32
Speaker 1: one bag and make it happen. But yeah, j P,
45:34
Speaker 1: that's the I mean, actually, this was like, this is
45:37
Speaker 1: the one hour commute, like I used to make it.
45:40
Speaker 1: I feel like I used to make that commute when
45:41
Speaker 1: I was playing in Jacksonville though, Like I felt like
45:43
Speaker 1: when I was coming from there, you got to get
45:44
Speaker 1: to the bridge to get to the stadium and all. Yeah,
45:49
Speaker 1: and if you don't, if you don't hit the timing right.
45:52
Speaker 1: It took me back to my dad may try and
45:53
Speaker 1: now trying to commute. That's what happens when you live
45:55
Speaker 1: beach front in Jacksonville. Takes a long time to get downtown.
45:58
Speaker 1: I mean it really, you know, gosh, I wish, I
46:01
Speaker 1: wish I was smart enough to know to live down
46:03
Speaker 1: there Jack's Beach and all those other beaches down their way.
46:05
Speaker 1: Like if I could turn back the clock, I probably
46:07
Speaker 1: would have done that and put my toes in the
46:09
Speaker 1: sand a couple of times a week to make sure
46:11
Speaker 1: I was relaxed when Coach Colson was yelling at everybody.
46:13
Speaker 1: You know, d j P. That's the difference right there, Bucky. Thanks,
46:18
Speaker 1: that beach front means owning a house. You and I
46:21
Speaker 1: both know it's only a sleeping bag and sleeping under
46:24
Speaker 1: the dock for us, but for players, it's a different world,
46:28
Speaker 1: always has all right, that'll do it for the Huddle
46:33
Speaker 1: Up Podcast. Pro Day season continues, Bucky. I'm sure you've
46:36
Speaker 1: got a lot coming up this week. It's been a
46:38
Speaker 1: it's been a crazy time, but it's coming to a conclusion.
46:42
Speaker 1: This is the fun part, JP, because now, like with
46:44
Speaker 1: all the Pro Days wrapping up, we now just get
46:46
Speaker 1: to talk about it for another month before you know it, Man,
46:49
Speaker 1: the draft of be here here it is. John. You
46:51
Speaker 1: got Peter King on your podcast. Yeah, Peter King looking
46:54
Speaker 1: forward to it, and uh should have some more of
46:56
Speaker 1: his own podcast in the coming weeks, hoping to catch
46:59
Speaker 1: up with some coaches, hoping to get to know the
47:01
Speaker 1: coaching staff a little better into material the next couple
47:03
Speaker 1: of weeks. We're looking forward to that as well well. Bucky,
47:05
Speaker 1: enjoy your number of retirement ceremony at your high school.
47:08
Speaker 1: And John, we will talk to you a little bit
47:12
Speaker 1: later today. That's John Osier, Bucky Brooks. I'm J. P. Shadrick.
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