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• Parisa Bady: What made you let go of everything that you built over years and pack your stuff and move to India? I took these mushrooms and I realized that mainstream medicine, I don't care how much they pay me, I cannot be part of this rat race. Climbing all these ladders and then look at this, like I could lose the most important person to me like this. And I did. It was an extremely humbling experience to realize How much us as Western doctors don't know what the fuck is going on? It was very freeing to let go of my possessions, let go of a lot of my beliefs, and let go of the idea that I need to constantly do stuff, produce stuff. India was life-changing for me. And I would see these people that defy, defy reality. You're crying again? Hi everyone, welcome to the Uncommons, where we challenge the ordinary and explain. What it really takes to build a meaningful life. I'm Parisa. Paige. And today we're going to talk about a man who was a very successful doctor, built a sizable practice, decided to sell it all and pack everything and let go of all his belongings and move to India. So sir, what made you let go of all your money and cars and titles and women and everything that you built over years and pack your stuff and move to India? First of all, I wanna thank you for having me on your show. And not knowing what we're gonna talk about any any at any given time. So just for everybody's knowledge, ⁓ I have no clue what I'm gonna get myself into with this woman every single time. No fucking clue. Secondly, most of what you said is true. I did an exit and in 2010, sold all my healthcare companies and stuff like that, and I ended up working for the company that I sold to, which is very common when you have an exit. ⁓ and it was awesome actually. It was really cool to be in the corporate world and make decisions and not be responsible t for all the day to day stuff as a business owner. And I was there for three years. I enjoyed it. I would be taking my calls while I'm skiing. But it was great ⁓ to not have that level of responsibility and have already exited and, you know, had a ⁓ a good amount of money. ⁓ which I worked really hard for. I had a little mini hospital and it was very rewarding to do what we did. ⁓ you know, I had ⁓ the emergency room there that we took care of these these people and the rural area. Just it's amazing, very fulfilling. I was the head guy, we had, you know, t twenty twenty docks there and we did all the specialties and, you know, it was a lot of ⁓ Ego involved in that as well, right? And then once you start reaching these things that a lot of people work for, including myself, all their life. ⁓ you gotta become a doctor and you gotta be financially happy, and then you need the ego of being the best or whatever, you know, all those accolades and all those mountains that you gotta climb and conquer to be complete. And he get there and it was it was funny. ⁓ I was working for this company and ⁓ I told them, Okay, well, you know, I'm gonna leave now. I just I I'm ⁓ I really helped them out. I designed some unbelievable cool things ⁓ that was out of the box for this company, now it's being used all over the US. ⁓ again, another ego thing. ⁓ but I really felt like I've given to them what would have been equivalent to to it was my own business. And it really did well for the company and I told them, Look, I've done this. They offered me a a great great package, compensation package, ⁓ which I I I don't think they've offered that many doctors in the country, those kind of numbers. And before I left, ⁓ I told them I'm I'm leaving and they said, Well, ⁓ I said unless you guys can pay me ⁓ the next level of achievement, right? Get the biggest paycheck that any doctor's ever gotten in the US with these kind of benefits and blah blah blah blah blah. I told my boss, I'm gonna go to Bernie Man, I'll be back in 10 days and you know, if they give me the deal, I'll stay if not I'm gone. So I I remember I was trying to figure out like what's the next step now, right? What what he would he do? Right, I got money, I got status, I ha you know, I got all this stuff. And I took a bunch of mushrooms. And and prior to this decision, you know, going to Burning Man and all that, I had started down this path of self growth, self journey. And I've done that, you know, d I I've been into self improvement since I was eighteen years old. So it wasn't new, but with hallucinics, which at that time was like an absolute no no. Now it's becoming a little more main mainstream. Seventeen years ago it wasn't. ⁓ And ⁓ I had ⁓ flown down into the jungles of Amazon from Peru and met with his third generation Crurado, ⁓ which is like a doctor, kind of a ⁓ shaman, ⁓ doctor, was a shaman. And I I I did I did ayahuasca with this guy with this amazing ceremony. It was just this incredible. And what came out of it for you? With the ayahuasca. I ayahuasca was the the the understanding and ability that there is so many dimensions that we just don't know about. And we live in this daily physical thing that we do. And we completely bypass a lot of our energetic abilities that we get into with deep meditation and and ⁓ which I've done, you know, years of yoga meditation. even though it sounds like it is a journey kind of a thing, it become it's almost like a fad. I'm not saying it's wrong anything wrong with a fad, but ⁓ I don't believe in it if it's not done right. I don't believe in doing mushrooms really for recreation recreational purposes. Right? And for me it's be is is an experience of a like a religious experience. Very spiritual. I've been I mean Spirituality has been huge in my life. Mysticism, spirituality is innate, and I think ⁓ our culture, the Persian culture, is very, very deeply ingrained in spirituality. Getting back to the discussion of ayahuasca, if it's not done in the right spot, if it's not done where this stuff comes from, the ability to connect to nature and to connect to this this deep. web of connections, collect the movie Avatar. I had experience with it, right? So I'm in now I'm I'm sitting with all my friends. I go to Burning Man every year. I've been go ⁓ going there for a long, long time. ⁓ since 2000 eight was my first ⁓ first time I went to ⁓ a Burning Man. And at that time the people that go to Burning are like super cool people. Elon Musk was there, some of the Peter Thiel ⁓ was there ⁓ really you know interesting people but i took this mushrooms and i remember i was laying up in here and i was just like connected and i realized that mainstream medicine i don't care how much they pay me i don't care what it is i cannot be part of this rat race i cannot be part of this environment that feeds McDonald's to these children that are obese at a 50% rate in the US, and then I gotta be in charge of getting him hypertensive medications of or or diabetic medication. I just this is to me it's not right. And it's not real medicine. I just didn't believe in it. So I came back and my boss calls me goes, ⁓ my God, you're not gonna believe this. I can't believe the corporate the you know the CEO of the company agreed to this thing. I got you everything you wanted. And he's again he's a good friend of mine. I just like I sat there and by this time I knew down deep inside it wasn't a mental thing. My my mind and my brain told me, ⁓ my God, sign the contract. You're gonna get millions of dollars with stock. I mean, ⁓ I was financially fine, especially after I sold my company. But this would be like the next level thing and make huge decisions. All the ego would come in, all the money would come in and all the status and all that stuff would be up here. Check, check, check, check. Check, check, check, check, right? And down deep inside, once I connected with my true self interior, I'm like, I can't be part of that. It's not in my genetics. You know, I became a doctor to help people truly. I to this day, I ⁓ you see it every day. I just like I I love I love that. It's part of my DNA. And this would be against my own DNA. And had I not done mushrooms, I don't think I would have gone there. So the reason I like psychedelics is it it kinda facilitates to get there. I honestly wish and I've worked really hard and I'm getting closer to be able to get that state of mind without enhancement of not drugs or medicine or whatever you want to call it. Like everybody everybody tries to justify getting from here to there quickly. ⁓ by whatever they want to call spirituality or whatever you wanna call it. ⁓ but that's how I decided not to continue doing go going down that path. So you said farewell to material. Yeah, so so I got rid of everything I had. You know, I a really, really cool bachelor pad on the twenty seventh floor. of the only building on Las Vegas Boulevard. My bathtub looked down the strip. You know, it was, you know, whatever. And I just gave the keys to my to my buddy. I'm like, here you go. I'm out. Sold all my cars, all my a lot of my a lot of my stuff. And ⁓ had a backpack with a ⁓ girlfriend of mine, just a friend that was a girl. I wasn't dating her. We were just been friends for forever. Thank for clarifying. I just want to make sure we headed to India and ⁓ It was an unbelievably eye-opening experience across the whole entire thing. Why did you pick India? Diana, who was a friend of my my friend was Australian. She was moving back from the US to Australia and she wanted to go to India. My yoga instructor, who was an amazing woman, changed my life, had gone to this place in south of India to admit herself as a patient. To this hospital that was that Ayurveda medicine. So I wanted to go learn about Ayurvedaic medicine, but I also wanted to completely get out of the Western world and ⁓ go to these monasteries and be able to meditate and just get towards go inside. And I was just so tired of after you know, reaching all these accolades and all this stuff, I was like, what's next? Did that coincide with your mom getting sick or no? Yeah, so so my mom my mom had gone sick and the three years ⁓ I was working for that company, I was taking care of my mom and she was doing well for a short period of time. She was in remission. That's when I went when I went to India. And it was a big, big deal for me when my mom got sick. Yeah, that kind of puts things into perspective too. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's exactly climbing all these ladders and then look at this, like I could lose the most important person to me like this. And I did. And you did. Yeah, it wasn't like this, it took her ⁓ seven years. Well, they told you it would be a few months. Really to have all the money, have all the education, have all the toys and da da da da da and my mom is dying and there's nothing I could do. Like that feeling of helplessness or what is more ⁓ there's so much so many things more important than all the stuff that we work we've been taught in the Western world that are important. So My yoga instructor had been there before and we were we're very close friends and she told me, she's like, you know, you gotta go. That's when I decided we're gonna go to India with Diana. I was because she was with me at Burning. I it was like the stars are ali I mean, when things are supposed to happen it'll happen. Things will just it'll happen. Like you and I or just like things it flows. It flows. So So you packed up and you got yourself to India. Packed up my shield, so sold everything I had. I took a one-way trip to India ticket with a backpack. That's all I had. And it felt like I'm free. Even though when people think that they're gonna get the education, all they get all those things, and that's what's gonna give them freedom. Money is gonna give them free. Money is gonna give you freedom. Once I got rid of all that, I find I felt like I'm so light. I have a backpack and that's it. So We went to some of these places, ended up in ⁓ an ashram a monastery and in the Himalayas. The most spiritual city in India is called Rishikesh. When we approached this place, it was just getting light out, and the only way to get in the city is ⁓ walking, over the river on the on this old bridge with monkeys all over it and and the sun's coming out and you see this you see nothing, fog, and then all of a sudden In front of you you see this mountain that has got monasteries hanging off of it. Just one of the most overwhelming sights of my life. I was in the monasteries up up up in the Himalayas for a while. And then after that I went down south to Kambatur to study Ayurvedic medicine, plant based medicine and ⁓ is really interesting at that time. So after practicing medicine for seventeen years, you admitted yourself to a hospital in India to be a patient to learn about Ayurvedic medicine. That's right. Yeah. How did that go? Well it was a How about all the oil pooling It was an extremely humbling experience to realize that How much us as Western doctors don't know what the fuck is going on? And I sat in front of these doctors which who I told them, hey, you know, like w they knew I was coming, they were expecting me to there's a bunch of different students there. And they know I was a you know, board certified physician, blah blah, US. And ⁓ I came in and they're asking me these questions and they work with doshas. Right? Like, you know, they to take your pulse and your you know, your eye colour and your tongue and your stool and stuff like that and they kinda figure out where you are and how you how your body's o off balance or on balance. And I wanted to be admitted as a patient just to see the patient but as a to see what the patients go through. What is it what is it like to be an Ayurvedic patient, right? But the guy really admitted me. Yeah. Because my You didn't want to be admitted? Well, I wanted to kinda be admitted, but just kinda be there and talk to other patients. But investigate. Investigate. But he really admitted me because he's like, dude, your doshas are off. I'm like, what does that mean? What is the dosha? What is it? I'm like, how do you how do you gu what do you guys do for for for hypertension, blood pressure medicine? And these guys are MDs that have now gone so that like stopped specializing Ayurvedic medicine. They're like us, right? And he's like, we don't do it that way here. The high blood pressure is a symptom of your doshas being not imbalanced. I'm like, what? So I got admitted, and the guy told me you were so vata, which is anxiety and you know, type A trauma, emergency room. ⁓ and he told me, I just need you to surrender. I imagine telling you that. Telling you fifty Fifteen years ago that. I'm like, what do you mean? Surrender? You said you can ha you can read one chapter a day. No computers, no phones, no cell phones, no talking to anybody else. I'm like, okay, well, ⁓ and then what? I was like, and then just be. I'm like, how do you just be? Like, what do you mean be? So I said, Okay, I could do this. Fine, I'll do it. I can do anything in my life. I can do anything. I'm this guy, you know? So I read my five pages within the first ten minutes, or twenty minutes, or whatever it was, and I sat there for ten minutes and thirty minutes. And by the hour that went by doing nothing, I was gonna fucking pull my hair out. I was like, I was gonna die. And then I'm like, no, I could do this. I could do this. So in a one hour to two hours. And there was this other student, Australian lady. She saw me like a fish out of water. I'm dying by the third hour. And and I'm sitting on the like sitting in my room. And the the it's not like regular hospital rooms. It's like a little bungalows because they they believe that you're with nature. So it's all within nature. You have a little bungalow, a little balcony. And all the medicine is plant-based medicine. So all the med and and the the entire village is involved. So they'd get this the the the plants from the village, from you know, stuff that grows under the cow poop and the cows are sacred. Every night at 7 p.m. they would do ⁓ puja, which is prayers, where they would get cow shit and they burn it inside. And it wasn't actually didn't smell bad. But it was like it's a whole different lifestyle. But that was part of my treatment to be there and to meditate and pray. So what happened with the Australian lady? ⁓ anyhow, so yeah, you're right. So she goes, ⁓ how you doing? I'm like, ⁓ I don't know. I'm supposed to be so I'm supposed to surrender and I don't know how to surrender. And she goes, Well, ⁓ you know, I like really need to talk to the doctor. He goes, Well, he already saw you yes this morning, right? I'm like, yeah, because you're not gonna, you gotta save the tomorrow morning. I'm like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like, what? Like, so she's just like, well, just try to like breathe and kind of like be. And I'm like, what is this being bee? You guys keep talking about being be. So I beat. Beat for. And then she just she just saw right through me. And she's been there for a while. And then she came back in half an hour. She goes, You do all right? I'm Yeah, my dumb, I'm being be. And so she goes she goes, Yeah, I'll come and check on you. And then she would come back every half an hour. And she's kinda ushered me through the first day. And and halfway through the day you go you go to get this Ayurvedic massage, which is pretty cool first day and the second day, but the fourth day you wanna kill yourself because of your balance and your doshas. y you you ha y you eat certain things and you e there's only certain foods you can have. And then they have special oils that they rub you with and kinda detoxify you and detoxify you. And so the first day went by and I went to Puja at seven and then and eight o'clock you you have to have your you know foods and stuff like that. And by ⁓ I don't remember eight thirty or nine, everything's out and you need to go to bed. By nine o'clock. So I would and no phones, no computers, no electronics, nothing plugged in any way. And then just for perspective, that's right after your party days that you would sleep two, three hours a night and just like be up and work hard and party hard and all that. Pretty much. Okay. Yeah. Go on. Yeah, I I mean I yeah, I was used to going to bed at two o'clock in the morning, being out of five, you know, working out. And then I'll get up and I'll be up at five o'clock in the morning to be. I'll make shit. I don't see the doctor 'til like a nine o'clock in the morning. So I will fall asleep again. So how long did this extreme discomfort take to f first day was like unbearable. ⁓ second day was still very unbearable. Like it took three or four days to just kinda like remember jumping out of planes? Like ⁓ we we did ⁓ training. ⁓ Skydive to to be s skydivers at the beginning when you jump out it's like ⁓ you know it took a while before things calmed down. But then I was getting into the groove of things, took me about a week. By the second week, it was really, really hard again because now they're giving you on my ⁓ massage hours every day, which was very, very difficult. Now by this time they're putting oil up your ass. So I'm getting 750 cc of oil in my in my rectum to clean you out. Yeah, it wasn't so s something going up your ass that was problematic. It was just like when you cleanse out, right? And all the toxins are living your leaving your body. It's just like it's it's crazy. ⁓ usually you live with toxins and they start coming out and coming out from what you eat and and they look at your stool and my stool started changing and my eye colors are my you know. When I was a kid, my eyes were green and they were brown. And then it was like I would look at myself in a mirror, lost twenty pounds. Wow. My eyes were green. My skin was glowing. I started remembering phone numbers from twenty years ago. Wow. I started having these dreams that were like they were pure. They were almost like very loving and mild and connected. It was just like I was. Twenty days out. So you stayed for twenty days? I stayed for the whole time. Changes that happened to me there were far greater than the changes that happened to me at the ashram, at this monasteries, where I was at the you know, in the monasteries were up at four o'clock in the morning in the freezing cold in in the Himalayas. And the doors were like it was in a brick and metal doors. And that's it, like like big metal doors. We slept on a slap of ⁓ concrete with two Himalayan blankets on top of you, freezing cold, and we get up and you have to wash your face and wash your body freezing cold at four AM and then go into meditation for four hours and all that kind of shit, right? And it was amazing, life changing. We didn't talk for half a day and then you know, when you when you eat, you're not talking to anybody. You're with your food. You with what you're gonna put in your body. It's just unbelievable. And compared to that, you felt like it was more cleansing. ⁓ yeah, yeah. But I went there as a vegetarian as a pescatarian for four years. I realized that we need meat in our body. What happened? So I was in like some anatomy classes that they're teaching all the non MD students there. ⁓ And you know, we have the small intestine, like the cow's small intestine, which is like very tortuous. And then we also have the large intestine, which is the like like the lions, straight out. And so we're meant I realized, ⁓ my, it just came to me that like Western medicine doesn't teach you that. Even their medicine didn't teach you that. But then I realized we are both herbivores and carnivores. I started eating meat again. ⁓ not not then, but when I came out. slowly and I just felt so much more clear, my muscles started feeling out. ⁓ so that's something I came out with. I came as a vegetarian or a pescatarian and came out as a meat eater. Secondly I started believing in aliens because I didn't understand like how that how do these guys know like how do I know if they take a dried leaf and mix it With the roots of this other plant in oil, mix them together, and that is going to change your doshas in a way that you become balanced. There was a patient there that had psoriasis like covered with with with scabs that in Western medicine medicine was just give them steroids because we don't know what to do. Right? And it doesn't really help much. I saw this guy in three weeks. He was my next door guy. Three weeks. He still had marks all over the place where the scabs were, but ninety percent of the scabs were gone. I have never seen that in Western medicine. So I'll ask and ask and ask. I'm like, well, you gotta do this route with this and this, this. I'm like, how do you know which route? Because well it's it's from the sutras. And goes, well, it's it's part of Ayurvedic medicine. You know, I'm like, I know, but you got it from these from from whoever you got it from, but where did they get it from? And where did it get for it? And it I went back and back and back and back. And it came from the sutras. The sutras of what these guys that came in, like Shiva and each ashram, each monastery is dedicated to one of their gods. And one of these gods came on a swan. And one of these guys came on this big egg that came down and gave the sutras and gave them these rules. I don't see them much different than aliens. Right. Again, I don't know about aliens, but I started believing that okay my who comes in and something more than humans. More than humans. Yeah. Which are their gods. And then Shiva came in and the Himalayas people believed that you know ⁓ and he put his hair down and from the hair all the water of the Jiganges River started. And they they're all these forklore stuff came in, but that's where they got their medicine from, which works. And I remember the most important thing I got out of this thing when I was there is that. To this day, when I wanna get back to my deep meditation where I was mostly connected to the universe and to the world, was when I left that place on a taxi to go to the airport. And I'm sitting in this taxi. And I I was breathing in and out and I was connected to everything and everyone. And by the way, when you get into India, you walk off the airplane, the sound level of the entire country is 10 decibels higher than anywhere else in the world. There's cows, there's rickshaws, people honking, little mop is going around, cows walking in the middle of it, with a monkey sitting on their back is crazy shit. It's just loud as fuck. Right? And you have this thing, and I'm sitting there in this taxi, and I remember, and to this day, this morning, when I meditate, I try to get back to the my most connected space. I imagine myself in that taxi ride where I felt like we're going. And if the entire world melted around me, there's nothing that could phase me on who I am, where I am, and how connected I am to everybody in the universe. It is the most cleansed, the most pure form of myself I've ever been. And that was such a great learning and it was such a great lesson. India was life-changing for me. There is a saying in Sufism that once you strip away yourself from all your belongings, all your toxins, everything that you have accumulated, which is a lifelong journey. then the goal of this life is to be able to get to that pure place, which is then you can be connected to the Creator and become one with the one. Right? Do you think that's what you experienced once you let go of all your physical attachments, all your physical body, whatever it accumulated and purified it? Yeah. Or as close as it gets. Yeah, yeah. Obviously ⁓ had had to do with it because now that I'm in longevity more, ⁓ I I realize that inflammation, which is the cause of death, and when you're ⁓ able to take all these toxins away, inflammation goes away, the inflammation around your organs, ⁓ within your organs within your brain, within your vision and all that. And I and I I saw all that. So I ⁓ you know, I w I I were ⁓ I had LASIK surgery. ⁓ but you know la LASIK no matter what is not a hundred percent. And I remember when I was leaving there and I I ⁓ you know, I've been in a hospital kind of a setting, even though I was outdoors, but I hadn't been in the public world like Outside, so distances and so forth, my eyesight was like completely clear. I lost a lot of muscle and because I used to work out all the time, but I stopped working out, but I also lost I just like it was I was lean and just there's no inflammation. ⁓ so there's certainly shedding of all this other stuff, and it's like a layer by layer, kind of like what you say, it's like First I let go of all the belongings and then I started letting go of all my a lot of the beliefs. I had to let go of what I've been taught as a doctor. We practice medicine here in the Western world by giving symptomatic relief by molecules that we make synthetically to get rid of headaches or to get rid of you know high blood pressure diabetes and so forth. We're just and It really reconnected me with my original self when I was at Burning Man, thinking that I can't be part of this rat race. This is not right. I had no clue I'm gonna go to India and figure this out. It was very freeing, even before I got there to let go of my possessions and let go of a lot of my belief. let go of a lot of ideas of what's right, what's wrong and let go of the idea that I need to constantly do stuff, produce stuff and whatever and being, and to surrender, which I had no idea what that meant. Before I went there, material stuff was important to me. It was important for to me that I drive a G-Wagon when it just first came out. You know, it was a I don't know it's a status thing, right? And then when when a lot and you go to these to these to to these changes, you're like, ⁓ I don't need this. And I what Sufis talk about or Kabbalah. We don't need this. I don't need this. I don't this is we shouldn't have this material things. Now what I've learned is that it is absolutely okay to have these things. I absolutely okay to enjoy them as long as you're not dependent on them for your happiness. Like to me, I still have cool stuff now. Like, you know, I love I love certain things. Yeah. Right? But I'm not dependent on it. I have a beautiful classic car. I love that car. But in reality, I don't give a shit, you know? I just don't. My my happiness doesn't depend on that at all. So that's a great lesson that I've learned. That to be able to enjoy things that are material. Not be attached. Not be attached. And the unattachment is really what Sufis and Kabbalah and all that talk talks about. It's not not having him is not having that attachment. Yeah, but but you said that you kind of disagree with that they say you shouldn't have it. I think it's like it's a shadow of it, 'cause it's up to human interpretation, of course. And s a lot of humans how they interpret it, they put it through their own belief systems. And if the belief system has any sort of blockage and lack or the lack of ability to get to something. The gurus they said we shouldn't have it. So then they won't have to deal with their own internal beliefs that I'm not good enough or I can't have it or I can't do it. So it's just easier to say, ⁓ we shouldn't have it. And that happens in a lot of spiritual practices all over the world. But I think that's beautiful to really first hand experience that you can want things and you can have them but being fully detached. The dirtiest water in the world is in Gangju's River in Varanasi. I witnessed it. People are defecating, peeing, washing their clothes, soap. This guy was shaving, ⁓ they burned their dead, their half dead you know, b you know bodies floating down that didn't s some of the people that didn't have enough money to give by enough wood wood. ⁓ my god, half burnt. To b to burn the entire body. It's flooding, it's just all kinds of stuff. The religious belief is that you gotta go you gotta go underneath this, you know, three times. And these guys are gargling the water because they w they want to be more spiritual. I'm like, you know, is ⁓ and then I'm like, ⁓ my god. So I'm in a rickshaw, this little taxi guy ⁓ driving me around, and this guy was incredible. This guy spoke three languages, was an engineer, was driving down with a rickshaw, taking people around. And he he spoke perfect English and I'm like I'm like dude I don't I just don't get it. I can't believe these people are just putting their heads underwater and blah blah blah. And goes, Maybe for the Western world you think that way, but when your mind and you believe in that religious experience, those people don't get sick. And I was just like blown away. From the concept of belief. I don't think anybody has ever put me in that place in my place like that. So like, ⁓ my God, it's right. Or I re review journals all the time, and it was this ⁓ Nobel Prize winner ⁓ that came out, they looked at objects and they asked some of the top physicists in the world that how is it that we get these numbers, but from three different Head science people, they we show them the same thing and they're all getting different results. And they're both all experts. Right? And the what came out, it was just back then, had just come out, was that molecules, movement, changes on on who's looking at them, which is like, by the way, undermines everything we've learned in mathematics and physics and and nobody wants to talk about it because God forbid us as us as scientists go back and change reality because everything would have to change. Let's put that aside. I'm in ⁓ the city ⁓ Rishikesh where all these monasteries are there and every day somebody's out there giving a speech and talk about philosophy and it's all about spirituality. But on the rooftop I'm sitting there having Chai Masala, you know, and these guys are having a call, I start having a conversation with these guys that are gurus, swamis, that are just sitting there, they've been there for decades meditating. And we have this conversation, and they're the ones that are telling me that, ⁓ of course molecules change from the from the from the ⁓ the by the perception of the person that's looking at them. I'm like, how did you know that? I just this is just like like these like these known things that these people know. And us as scientists are spending lifetimes trying to prove this shit that these guys know. Again, appear versus internal knowledge. Right? And and I would see these people that defy, defy reality. There was a swami that lived in our monastery up there that lived on a glass of milk a day. That's all he had. A glass of milk a day. Wow. Walked 10 kilometers from our monastery to the to Rishikesh to give a talk and to meditate with some of those people and walk 10 kilometers back to our monastery every day. And all he ate or drank was a glass of milk. For decades. It's crazy. Another thing is ⁓ you know, from that trip, I w I would see these people that have mansions and a lot of money in India. And next door is like a tent little house. And there is no envy. There is no the they they they treat each other like normal people. I I don't know, it's just like it was an unbelievably humbling, eye-opening ⁓ experience ⁓ to be there. Changed me as a person. Once you're able to escape this reality, because we grow up and we live within these rules that we know we think is right, and you're able to step back and say, Maybe there's another way, maybe these doctors are right. Or maybe these, you know, religions or aliens or just like open up, open up to these to these things. I really got involved in creation, creating, bending reality, and that's how I created you. To crying again? It's unbelievable what is ⁓ what we we can do with our minds and our hearts and defy our religious beliefs or the beliefs that been given to us ⁓ all these years that it's really hard to break and and just gonna ⁓ be able to put that aside. And say this is what I'm gonna create. And believe in the possibility. And the possibility. And hence our podcast on common. Because the reality of the unreality of what's possible when you're able to take yourself out of your own reality or what you believe is real. Yeah, and to live a life that's more meaningful, more ⁓ fulfilling, that's the goal, right? It's the goal to get to a point that you can create your own reality and what you want and what's meant for you and have that level of deep connection and it doesn't happen on a ordinary common lives or people. It only happens to the uncommons. And the uncommons. Yeah. But ⁓ and and don't don't get me wrong, it's not that, you know, it there's ups and downs. Like everything else. There's times and I'm like, ⁓ I need to make money today. Even though I've been through all that stuff. And there's times I'm like, you know, like I'm Z. So it but going going through some of these things, for me at least, I've been blessed enough to have the ability to do that and to figure out that there is a world balance and there's a Commonality and unitedness that's between everyone. I don't care what your religious is, what color you are, what it's like that that that shit means nothing to me. Right now in this in this time, like where Jews and Muslims and all this stuff, like when my mom's cancer came back and she was dying, the doctor that took care of my mom, this amazing guy, Muslim guy, that would pray five times a day. And he would go and pray for my mom. To this day, we're very close friends. I go and I fast with him on Ramadan and we break iftar ⁓ together. And it's just like like we're brothers, where people are killing each other because they have different religions. You know? So I think anything is possible. And I'm just a blessed to be here and have blessed to have you as my partner. So if you guys wondered ever why I would put up with his crazy ass, this is why.