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ITB: More On Eagles Search For Other OC Candidates, Outlook Of Offense Roster Headed Into Offseason · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is backlo everybody, It's Jeff Mosher Adam
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  Speaker 1: Kaplan inside the Birds. And if you're watching this on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: or even if you're listening, you know that Adam and
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  Speaker 1: I we have survived the Great Snowstorm of twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty rough out there. We hope everybody has managed it.
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  Speaker 2: How much?
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  Speaker 1: How much your way?
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  Speaker 2: Brother? So we got eight inches? Yeah, I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: problem the cool things the snow stopped around noon, But
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  Speaker 2: the problem is after that the damn sleet and rain
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  Speaker 2: and it made the snow heavier lot. My wife, to
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  Speaker 2: her credit, you know, we bought she begged me to
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  Speaker 2: purchase snowblower like a dozen years ago because the kids
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  Speaker 2: used to handle everyone in our street. They stopped and
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  Speaker 2: I guess they got too old so they stopped doing it,
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  Speaker 2: and I was all right, I'm gonna do it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna buy snow blow. Well then it didn't snow for
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  Speaker 2: five years.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: We maybe used it four or five times, and one
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  Speaker 2: of them was a couple of months ago when we
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  Speaker 2: got a first now fall like six inches. So in
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  Speaker 2: this one, yeah, I mean, we'll see. Yeah, we have
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  Speaker 2: to we have to take care of it later today again.
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  Speaker 2: But uh now I'm flying out the suner ball today.
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  Speaker 2: So that's my blue light blocking lanster for people want
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  Speaker 2: to make fun of me I wear yeah, yeah, yeah
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Where the YouTube commentors are going to have fun with you.
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  Speaker 2: That's final. I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's for those of us who like to set our
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  Speaker 2: circadian rhythm. For those of your advanced like me, it's
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  Speaker 2: just it helps with sleep and stress and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It just actually it really does work. Believe it or not.
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  Speaker 2: Believe it or not. I believe it.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it. I've heard that's good. That's awesome, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: save travels, my friend, and we'll obviously do uh I'll
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  Speaker 1: be back up here north, but we'll do some stuff
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  Speaker 1: getting your your takes on what you hear down there
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  Speaker 1: in in uh Mobile, Alabama, which you know, it could
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  Speaker 1: be thirty degrees, it could be seventy degrees.
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  Speaker 2: Can quit bad. Oh, thirties thirties, high thirties, low forties.
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  Speaker 2: One year it was seventies and we were like, this
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  Speaker 2: is not this is crazy. You know, I got the
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  Speaker 2: farmer's town on my back, on my neck yep. But
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  Speaker 2: now this one's bad. I mean, I'm bringing winter winter clothes. Yes, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's right.
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  Speaker 1: We were there last year. Right, it was beautiful last year.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was the year, right it was really warm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it was in the fifty sixty one year
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  Speaker 2: was in the low seventies, and like the whole So
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  Speaker 2: I'm making this a shortertrip trip. I'm not going for
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  Speaker 2: three days, right, because the last day is the Thursday's
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  Speaker 2: practice is light. It's like a Friday practice. The NFL
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  Speaker 2: t like an hour yep, and it's so light. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I know a couple times when I didn't go something
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  Speaker 2: like some dude went off. Might have been Cooper Cup
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  Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. I never remember, like god, why did
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  Speaker 2: I Why did I see it?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because I was looking at social media and people like going,
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  Speaker 2: oh whoever it might have been Cooper Cup. I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember who it was with, someone who became a really
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  Speaker 2: good NFL player, and I'm like, oh man, But again,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's for such a light practice.
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  Speaker 1: Plus you have I don't know how the Senior Bowl
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  Speaker 1: gets around this, and I don't know if they care
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  Speaker 1: about it, but you do have about I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what five to seven guys who will look really nice
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  Speaker 1: in the first practice or two and then shut it
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  Speaker 1: down and not even play in the game. And you
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  Speaker 1: said they'll leave before that, even that last Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Which just happened, by the way, and then the all
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  Speaker 2: time stories when a tall corner about six foot four
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  Speaker 2: was a replacement. He was from Stanford and he got
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  Speaker 2: flown in and it was Richard Sherman. I'll never forget that, Like,
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  Speaker 2: who is who? Who is this dude? Like you don't
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  Speaker 2: see corners typically over six to one, and it sure
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  Speaker 2: helped him, but he was his own corner heat because
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  Speaker 2: of his length. You know, you turn hip turning and
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  Speaker 2: all that. And Pete carl and John Schneider did a
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  Speaker 2: great job of understanding what that is. But singabol as
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  Speaker 2: we move along here, you gotta be careful for overrating it.
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  Speaker 2: It's take it for what it is. It is. It's
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  Speaker 2: being coached by NFL assistant coaches. That's really big. They
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  Speaker 2: used to do it. We used to take you. It
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  Speaker 2: switched from over the years now to a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: different coaches. But it used to be the worst teams
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL, like the thirty, like the last two.
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  Speaker 2: One year was Marty. I think it was Marty morning Wagon.
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  Speaker 2: Might have been Marty Marty with the Lions, but I remember.
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  Speaker 2: And then they would take the runners up to for
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  Speaker 2: the like the who didn't make it to the player
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  Speaker 2: like they were the ones who just got eliminated where
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs started. And now it's just a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: North team South team, and they take coaches from everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, now that I think about it
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  Speaker 1: on a second, is that last year because we were
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  Speaker 1: both down there last year. I remember we talked to
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  Speaker 1: Governor Shapiro. We did a zoom with him about the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles in the Super Bowl from But what strikes me
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  Speaker 1: is there was a quarterback from Canada that US and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whatever happened to him. I never made it.
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  Speaker 1: He was a project. He gets drafted. Yeah, it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Tall kid who the word in scouting was and some
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  Speaker 2: folks really far scotten. Might he might have been signed
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  Speaker 2: his undraft for Freacher by the Packags without looking his
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  Speaker 2: name up. But I remember because there was a big
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  Speaker 2: buzz in the scouting committee with his kid, and he
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  Speaker 2: bleep the bad when he was there. That way, he
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  Speaker 2: just it became too big for him. He did. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's some Canadian school, I guess yep, But man,
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  Speaker 2: he could see he had an arm, but no accuracy. Right,
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  Speaker 2: A tall, tall kid, angler body, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good athlete. Just you're right, you just had had trouble.
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  Speaker 1: That's where you get to senior boy. You get some
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  Speaker 1: guys you may never heard of trying to make it there.
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  Speaker 1: So and maybe when you're down there, Adam, you will
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  Speaker 1: get even more intel than you already have and that
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  Speaker 1: we've already had on the Eagles OC search, because that
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  Speaker 1: will be continuing. What a week it's been, or the
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  Speaker 1: last few days, even since our last podcast it's been
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  Speaker 1: for the situation. So we'll get into that, and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll start this sort of two part series looking at
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  Speaker 1: the roster, and we'll go through the offense, which is
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  Speaker 1: apropos since they need an offensive coordinator and any intel
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  Speaker 1: that we've got on the roster right now, and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll do defense in another episode. But let's let's get
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  Speaker 1: to the OC situation. You've got people who, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like Bobby Slowik was a was a person who interviewed
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  Speaker 1: I think people have to be careful, right when you
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  Speaker 1: see a guy like Bobby Sloan who interviewed for the
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  Speaker 1: job but stayed in Miami and is going to be
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  Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator, And people say, oh, that's another guy
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  Speaker 1: choosing a different team over the Eagles. You don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's no information that he was offered the offensive coordinator job.
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  Speaker 1: He just interviewed for it. So I don't want people
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  Speaker 1: to get carried away too much with what they hear
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  Speaker 1: on some of these names.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, Yeah, so he just he stayed with
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  Speaker 2: the Dolphins and he got the OC tag. And to
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  Speaker 2: be honest with you, his situation, he was like the
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  Speaker 2: darling in the NFL coaching CJ Stratus first year Strata,
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  Speaker 2: one of the best seasons ever for rookie quarterback. Strata
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  Speaker 2: has been on a regression. There are plenty of it.
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  Speaker 2: There are plenty of issues around him. But man, this
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  Speaker 2: is second year. You can make excuses for him. You
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  Speaker 2: can't make excuses after this season. Correct it just he
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  Speaker 2: was he plays, He was horrendous. But the problem with
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  Speaker 2: Sloak was he'd never been a position coach. Ever he
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  Speaker 2: still has not been, and he basically had trouble connecting
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  Speaker 2: with the players, particularly the quarterback and the micklel. Rohns
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  Speaker 2: was aware of it. He fired him because I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was when it when it got out that he
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  Speaker 2: was fired, I was like, what he didn't he's in
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  Speaker 2: for head coach of top slasher?
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  Speaker 1: What the hell?
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  Speaker 2: Then? You know, you know, you hear from people close
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  Speaker 2: the situation, you go, Okay, really smart guy. I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: him trying to coach Hurts or any veteran quarterback, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Good luck?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would have been interesting. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: So the search goes on. Now what do you know
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  Speaker 1: about some other candidates or people think he interested in?
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  Speaker 2: All right, so we'd heard, you know, I called you
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend and then it got out I guess
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  Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon, but we could confirm we we have more information. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles put a slip in. That's the term as
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  Speaker 2: the person I spoke to who told me Philly put
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  Speaker 2: a slip in? What do you do? Is you? I
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  Speaker 2: guess you fax it in to the whatever electronic flat packs?
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  Speaker 2: What am I talking about? Probably twenty years ago they did,
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  Speaker 2: but now obviously they email it and they put a
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  Speaker 2: request in and were denied to interview. Not Decklan Doyle,
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  Speaker 2: Clayton Adams and why Clayton Adams. Clayton Adams is the
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  Speaker 2: offensive cornator, non non play calling OC for the Cowboys
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  Speaker 2: because Nick Serianni work with him when Nick was the
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  Speaker 2: YOC and Clayton Adams was an assistant under Nick with
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  Speaker 2: the Colts for a couple of seasons and it became
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles head coach. Then Adam stayed there with the
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  Speaker 2: Colts for two seasons, then then moved on And we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into his background really quickly, and then we can
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  Speaker 2: move on. His background is on offensive line. He was
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  Speaker 2: actually the Cardinals offensive line coach twenty three and twenty
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  Speaker 2: four and was hired by Brian Chottenhammer to be as OC.
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  Speaker 2: But Shotty calls the plays. He's also coached tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is by the rules and they've been adjusted.
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  Speaker 2: They were adjusted in twenty twenty then last year. You
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  Speaker 2: can block even if it says them the slip because
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  Speaker 2: you have to put it on there on the form
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  Speaker 2: that you turn in. It's okay, what position and what
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  Speaker 2: were the will be the responsibilities. You have to make
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  Speaker 2: it clear. Yes you could still block them, but you can't.
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  Speaker 2: This is interesting to see. This is where I don't
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  Speaker 2: agree with this. You should not be able to block
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  Speaker 2: a guy. Yes, it's the same title, but he would
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  Speaker 2: be calling plays. It's just it's a move up right,
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  Speaker 2: It's it's not a lateral move. But by responsibility, it's
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  Speaker 2: not good.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying if he was Dallas's run game coordinator instead
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  Speaker 1: of offensive coordinator, he'd be allowed to yet Eagles. And
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  Speaker 1: the funny thing is, from what I understand, that's his specialty.
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  Speaker 1: You said offensive line. Yeah, offensive line and run game,
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  Speaker 1: and he was really good at that. Also with Arizona
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  Speaker 1: they had too by the way, and tight ends right
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  Speaker 1: they had. The Cardinals had a really good run game
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  Speaker 1: the first two years under Drew pettsing and with Adams there,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously Dallas's run game was really good. But it
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  Speaker 1: hurts him to be considered the OC to get this
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  Speaker 1: job even though he doesn't call plays, even though it
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  Speaker 1: would be a promotion here in Philadelphia. But he can
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  Speaker 1: be blocked, like you're saying, because it's considered lateral, O
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  Speaker 1: c OC, you can block that stupid. That is dumb.
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  Speaker 1: That is dumb.
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  Speaker 2: I know the league is doing their best. They've the bit.
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  Speaker 2: There was a major change in twenty twenty, because basically
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  Speaker 2: you could block anyone for any reason unless it's for
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  Speaker 2: a head coaching job. Yeah, and that's just so's you know.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, it was the role for many
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  Speaker 2: years and some really talent coaches got aft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh listen, I remember Spagnolo under Andy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Andy one year I believe blocked him, right and from
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  Speaker 1: I forget what job.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and de Filippo was blocked if you recall John D.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: Flippo was blocked from he was Egales quarterbacks coach. He
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: was going to be the OC for Todd Bowles Balls
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  Speaker 2: was going to hire him, right, he had an interview.
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  Speaker 2: You just have to go through the interview process. But
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  Speaker 2: that was the twenty seventeen that was before this, That
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  Speaker 2: was in like, uh February of twenty seventeen. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's an awful role. The league still doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get it right that. I don't care what the type.
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  Speaker 2: How many ten years have we said this? For now
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  Speaker 2: for nine years with the Eagles especially, it's not the title.
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  Speaker 2: It's about what they actually do. It's a perfect temple.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And by the way, I definitely enjoy sort of
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: the cat and mouse here as the Cowboys took Christian
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  Speaker 1: Parker to be their defense coordinator and the Eagles were
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  Speaker 1: trying to take Clayton Adams.
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  Speaker 2: Not that no one had an interview with the other.
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  Speaker 2: It's just no, no, no, I'm just enjoying the cat
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  Speaker 2: and mouse it is. It's hilarious. I didn't thought of
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  Speaker 2: it that way, but it's really interesting. But yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: it's the word i'd gotten at the start of this.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I always like to ask people, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what do you know? Like? How long does this take?
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  Speaker 2: The word I got on a typical hiring an offense
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: coordinator in the National Football from scratch, where let's say
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: your guy gets hired away typically takes two weeks. You
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  Speaker 2: got to get through the Rooney rule and you have
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: to interview two minorities. Look, you can also hire. If
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: you like a guy, you hire them, but it's sometimes
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: they're done early, they're done last. But anyway, it's Rooney roll.
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  Speaker 2: You typically have a list of six to eight people
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  Speaker 2: and you go through everybody and and then what you
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: do is you every once in a while, you don't
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  Speaker 2: get a second interview. Just the guy's so great, you
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  Speaker 2: interview you like you don't even go to the second interview, right,
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  Speaker 2: But in this case, at this point you to hope
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  Speaker 2: they it's hired by the Combine. Yeah, I drive away,
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: but we're.
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  Speaker 1: Here, really And just on top of that, with Denard
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  Speaker 1: Wilson likely going to uh the Giants to be Hardball's defense,
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  Speaker 1: pretty interesting. I mean, like you've got, you know, one
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  Speaker 1: guy from your own chain here in Parker who's going
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: to Dallas to be one rival defensive coordinator, and then
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  Speaker 1: another guy who you had in your building and really
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: pissed off by not making him defensive coordinator now with
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: your other rival. So it's, uh, you know, everybody's got
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles in their crosshairs now, and two people familiar
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  Speaker 1: with their program and what they do are now going
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  Speaker 1: to be coaching against them. So so so interestingly, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about some other candidates. Dicklan Doyle was a guy
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  Speaker 1: that they brought in. I got some interesting feedback on him,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: wondering what you've heard about him.
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  Speaker 2: There are coaches connected to him who told us over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend that they think he is leaning towards staying
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  Speaker 2: if he hasn't even been off of the job. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying he's leaning towards staying in chicag because he's
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  Speaker 2: only twenty nine, hasn't called plays. He needs more seasoning,
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  Speaker 2: is what someone told me. So nothing official yet, but
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  Speaker 2: that's what this person who must know him thinks or
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: who is relayed to him. So we'll see coaches, no
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  Speaker 2: coaches pretty well and looking. The interesting thing about this is, yes,
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: Egles would have liked this done the previous week. But
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: the cool thing about it is you're going through a
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  Speaker 2: lengthy list of very talented young coaches. You never know
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen over the course of your whether
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Syrians here another year of five, ten years, you never
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: know what's going to happen. You just don't know. It's
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  Speaker 2: good for how he get in front of Hi, Jeffrey,
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  Speaker 2: whoever else is involved, obviously Julian because he's going to
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: be the successor to Jeffrey. The team, whoever's in the interviews,
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: you could tape them, by the way, and you have
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: this to refer to as they get older. It's actually
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: it's like what Annie would say when I asked him
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  Speaker 2: when he was Eagles head coach about sometimes about not
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: needing a certain position in the draft. But he goes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but part of it is we tape the interviews and
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: for free agency we could refer to this. Mm hm,
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  Speaker 2: you know you have this, you never know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you made a really good point. I
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  Speaker 1: think we talked about a little bit the last part too.
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  Speaker 1: I Doyle has only been an NFL position coach or
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: coordinator for three years. He was tight ends coach for
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: a couple of years in Denver, and he was offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator for the Bears before that. He was just an
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: assistant just for a couple of years too. He's very young,
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  Speaker 1: and this job right now with urgency to win and
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: trying to coach a Super Bowl MVP quarterback and a
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl Player of the Year running back, Like, I
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: feel like you're going to need a little bit of presence.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Declendilla doesn't have it, But how
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  Speaker 1: can you know, Oh, he's never commanded a room at
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  Speaker 1: this level before. So bright kid. I get not wanting
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  Speaker 1: to pass on someone who you think might be really bright.
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  Speaker 1: But he only spent a year with Ben Johnson. It's
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: not like you're getting Ben Johnson two point zero or
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  Speaker 1: you're guaranteed to get it. You might, but you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's tough. I can understand. I asked an
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: AFC guy what he thought out of Decklan Doyle, and
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  Speaker 1: he said, to be honest with you, there's not much
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  Speaker 1: out there about him because again he's not like a
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: lot of people in the league know who he is,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: but they don't really know what he's all about because
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: he's he's just so young. And so look, you like
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: the Eagles casting wide that you like him getting intel. Hey,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: a year or two from now, if they hire OC
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: who winds up getting a head coaching job and Doyle
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: is still and the Bears are still doing great. All right,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: you can bring him in already knowing you've got baseline
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: information on him. Right you may have had a great experience,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: but it just feels like right now not maybe the
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: right time for that. And we'll see.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, coaching contracts, unless you have
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: ten or if you're in OC, like if it's a
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: veteran guys had success, you're gonna get three years or
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: typically two years with a rollover. What it means is
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: it's a club option. Do you get two years and
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: then if they like you, they rolled over for a year,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Like they just added, they add the option year. So
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: with Doyle, I wonder because he's not calling place, he's
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: so young, I wonder if they'll and obviously had a
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: great year. I wonder did he sign a three or
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: two year deal, because on your point, you go down
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: the line here, you never know in a year from now.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: He's a little bit older now. Now, as I was
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: telling you over the weekend, when you and I were
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: talking about all these young guys and so forth, nobody
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: knew Sean McVay was this great. I mean he was.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: He was technically thirty years old, I think, and then
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: a month later he turned thirty one. After he sign
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: his contract with the Rams, he just turned forty. It's crazy,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: but no, and now he was an offensive coordinator, not
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: calling plays, I don't I don't think he called them
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: under Jay Gruden. I don't think he did right called
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the direct yes, yes, but again that's a he also coach,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: he coached a position. He was also the I think
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the UFL with like the Florida Tuskers or something, so
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: you know, one of those things. But he was also
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: in his twenties then, So yeah, it's interesting, good for
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the Eagles to do this. Yeah, but we'll see what happens.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: We will and you know, all hope isn't lost. I mean,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: as we were recording this, Kingsbury is still out there.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Brian Dable hasn't officially done anything, even if he's like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I'm just trying to at
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: least go with people who have not officially agreed on it.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: It is true he hasn't. Yeah, he hasn't. We'll think
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: of it this way. Tennessee wants in badly, is I've
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: noted now for three weeks almost Well, I didn't know
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: two weeks. It's the head coach Sala and the GM
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Burganzi won They want Dable badly, right, Okay, he's been
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: their guy. I know he's very interested the job from
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: what I've been told. Now, why did he interview with
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the Eagles? Well, let's say it fell through. We learn
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: enough about what happened in twenty seventeen with this, with
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the Frank Reich situation, coming out of the blue to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: be the Colt head coach. Who the hell knew then
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Josh mc daniels would break a verbal agreement like you
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: did and that you know That's what I mean. So
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: you never know, boy, it would be fascinating. You see
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Brian Dable in Philly. Oh yeah, it would be.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: It would be Kafka still out there and Aggy we'll
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: see yeah, yeah, I mean there's there's some guys they've
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: talked to and guys who you would think if you
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: don't love them, would be an upgrade over what they
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: had last year. So with that being said, we'll obviously
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: without him down and mobile, he'll he'll be he'll be
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: seeing a lot of people and getting a lot of
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: intel and we'll have another inside the Birds out pretty
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: soon on that. But let's get into this offensive roster.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: As we said, we're going to go through it and
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: just give everybody an idea of what it looks like
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: now versus what it might look like when the year begins.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: A lot of different question marks free agencies certainly, and
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this in the last pot Adam.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: You heard Howie Roseman make a very interesting reference to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: how they rewarded a lot of guys with contracts on
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: offense while they rebuilt the defense. And now this was
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: over the years. Now the defensive guys need to get
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: handled homegrown defensive guys, and that's going to impact money
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: available on offense. So let's talk about the quarterback because
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: this room is going to change quite a bit. Theoretically,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the Jalen Hurts isn't going anywhere, but we'll see what
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: happens with Tanner McKee and howl. Sam Howell is an
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: unrestricted free agent.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I believe yes, so a couple of things that Hurts
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: assigned through twenty twenty eight. McKee is signed through this
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: coming season. Only we expect the Eagles to have people
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: calling him about McKee. Now, are they going to hold
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: it against the Eagle? Not in the Eagles, I mean
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: McKee because his game when he started the season wasn't great,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: as has greg O. Sellt taught our Patreon members when
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it when when he talked about not only what the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: tape looked like, about understanding McKee's whole game going back
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: to Stanford, he Greg I love Greg's line. He's like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: he probably kept himself up at night for some of
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: those throws that he missed, because the throws he would
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: normally never miss. He just missed off throws. It happens.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: It happens, But you could only go by the tape
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: that you have and previously to that game preseason at
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: any time he played look fantastic. So you got your
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: kill and go by what you have and he's come
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: a long way. But here's the thing with Hal as
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: an unrestricted free agent, it's correct if they wind up
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: trading McKee. I know it's I mean, people thinks you
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: could just get a good backup quarterback on the street.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, really, I don't. I don't know about that. Now.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Now I say that I bring back Sam how if
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: they want up trading McKey, I bring back Sam hell
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: on a heartbeat, super athletic. Now did they when he
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: was with Washington that one year when who is who
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: is the one year? How put up massive numbers?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Oh would be enemy? Right, I was gonna ask five
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: times a game?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought the joke in the scout in circles
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: whatever coaching circles was, oh well he's just trying to
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: get be a head coach or they're gonna throw it
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: every down. This is just ridiculous how much they put
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They put the ball up in the air on your point,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and it was the enemy. Who's now going to be
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the OC? Now play calling OC for the Chiefs. But
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I would Sam Howe is a good backup quarterback like that,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: that's a guy I would take because folks, they're just
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: not enough good backups going around here, right, that would
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: be a reason to keep McKee. But listen now, now,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: if they can't get a second, I thought for sure
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a first round pick I had because we're so far
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: away from free agency, yeah, I didn't think. I felt
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: there was no way they would trade unless they got
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: it first. Now, because that tape wasn't very good. Other
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: clubs might have leverage. But if you got five teams
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: calling Eagles, hey, what are you doing with McKey? Are
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you willing to listen? And if they only get a third,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not trading. Would you do it for a second?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I would.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I would do it for a second. And I'm knowing
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: how he could probably work some kind of conditional in
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: there if that the guy winds up starting and making
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, because I don't know he can get something.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna get that to convert to a first,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: but you might get an extra fourth or fifth or
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: something like that. But I would do it for a second, Yeah, sure,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: because that just gives the Eagles more Because I do
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: think the Eagles would wind up anyway drafting a quarterback.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Howell could be the number two. They draft the quarterback.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: They're gonna draft the quarterback much every year or every
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: other year. It was funny to hear the new Dolphins, Uh,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: what's his name? John? John Eric, John Eric something?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: GM Sullivan By the way, do you know his daddy?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Do you know his dad is?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, his father's the GM Sullivan obviously Sullivan. I can't
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: remember his first name. No, no, no, no, no, no John.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Do you know his dad is? No, no, no, Jerry Sullivan. Erry,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the legendary receivers coaching coach Jerry Rice for the Niners.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's his dad.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Is an app is an absolute superstar, maybe the best
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: receivers coach in NFL history. Yeah, I talked to his dad.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many times. It's student ball. He
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: is a Riot, and I've talked to people of coach
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: You want to talk about coaching hard I mean, it's
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: crazy how Hardy coaches. His dad's gotta be late seventies,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: maybe he's eighty. But but what so what who did
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you what did you hear?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Basically said, and you know he comes from the Green
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Bay chain or which believes in this he says, we're
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: gonna have the quarterback every year if we can Ron Wolf,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that's Wolf, right, I mean total and red Andy Reid?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: How many drag how many quarterbacks of the Eagles draft
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: under Andy Reid.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: The immortal not to mortal Andy Hoff of Delaware.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: He never made it, right, like, and that's gonna happen.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: You know Howie has continued to addition. And you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Kyle McCord didn't make these with Green Bay ironically now,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: uh and Clayton Thorston didn't make it. But then you
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: get a guy like Tanner McKee. Then you get sure
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know Nick Foles. Then you get you know, a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: backup like Jalen Hurts, although that was a little bit different.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: That was more higher falls Nick Foles. My man, we probably,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we talked about this eight years ago. Uh's
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: very lucky he was an ego because that was not
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the plan. They took him earlier in their draft grade.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: So good for Andy was.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: His call, and he was like, we're taking a quarterback.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what happened. Is CORNISONA was in the room.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Then yep, right, because they missed out on Russell, so
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: they went and got Andy, I mean they got Nick
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: so yeah, so that So the point I was making
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: is the Eagles are just likely to draft a quarterback anyway,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: because if you trade McKee and you're gonna and you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: don't have him a court anymore as developmental guy, you're
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: gonna wind up going taking another one. It'll be interesting
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to see how high they're willing to go with it, though,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: because okay, they took him in the second round.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly if you imagine if they drafted quarterback in the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: second round, because my hair is on fire when they
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: did the Hurts, one of you could have pushed me
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: with a feather. I was. I was in stun silence.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: It's big year for Hurts? Honestly from a contract, right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is his cap number out of my
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, if he has a really good year coming up,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: new offensive court and everything, they go back make a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: deep run, you could probably see him getting a little
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: bit more of an extension, right sure.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Oh well, honestly, his contract is so undervalued for if
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you just look at his we can look. We know
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: about the issues, folks, and I'm going to get this.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've outlined his issues. Okay, but the guy
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: also won a Super Bowl. It's been a two of them. Okay,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: got got hidn't? I don't think he missed the game
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: this past season, right, Oh.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: He did not. He wasn't even on the injury report once,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: remember the ankle and he what he went up not
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: being on it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is if he does blow it up,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it's interesting that you set it up this way. What
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: if he has a terrible year, Well, then of course
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the trade value wouldn't be great. He's coming to a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: bad year. But this is this is a this is
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: absolutely a crossroads season four him. It's you know, I
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: have a good season. It's really two years in a row,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and he didn't play at the level he needs to play. Yes,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: there are reasons around him, but there could be a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: lot of change. No, I'm not talking about him, but
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in AJ Brown situation, there's a lot going all of
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: his football team. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And while there's a lot going on a quarterback and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that's a room that can change a lot, there should
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: be not much change, if at all, to the running
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: back room. Other than AJ Dillon, Barkley, Shipley, Bigsby. They're
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: all gonna be back next year, barring something unforeseen.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Shipleys signed for twenty seven. Bigsby and this
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: is part of why they made this trade. They knew
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: he had two years left. Okay, that trade, give it up.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Two draft picks for a guy on a funny contract
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: whend never would have happened. They knew that he had
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: another year left, and the best possible scenario came. No,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: he was not traded for him to be a kickoff
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: return He was trained to be a running back in
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a kickoff second just he socked at it at kickoff
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: returns and he looked phenomenal as a running back. Holy smokes. Yes,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: he tries to break everything outside and he the Niners
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: saw that. They stopped them on one of them. But
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: he'll be in the whoever system is running it, you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the Eagles, whoever's running their offense this season, Well, they'll
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: see Bigsby and hopefully they could figure out a better
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: way to get him a little bit more involved as
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Barkley's backup. But you know, overall, it's it's Barkley on
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: his extension signed for twenty eight. Chipley signed for twenty seven.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Bigsby signed, You're right through twenty six, So yeah, they
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a j. Jallen obviously will not be back. He's he
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: didn't look bad by the way, It's just that they
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: made the trade for Bigsby and you don't dress four
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: running backs. Oh well, yeah, no.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: They've for whatever reason, they have been very I guess
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that's on holding on to some running backs even if
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: they're not going to use them. I mean, going back
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to a Shad Penny. And then this year ag Aj
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Dillon could have been cut a thousand different times as
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: they were doing roster tango, but they kept them on
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and they didn't use it. I don't understand it. But
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that's not you know, it's above my pay grade anyway.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, wide receiver Adam huge huge position
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in flux going into twenty twenty and then going into
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: this offseason.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So AJ Brown signed through twenty twenty nine. This is
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the last year I was fully guaranteed money just under
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: twenty nine million. Yes, they would take a cap and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: if they trade them, it's we'll have more as we
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: go along here in the off season. Yeah, this is
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this is it's gonna be a fascinating situation because if
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you trade them, you got to replace them. And that's
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and the good thing is the Eagles have a decent
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: amount of draft picks. You just would I mean, you
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: could trade and try to get someone young back that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: you like.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But they've already started looking, by the way, knowing how
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: his reputation, I've already started looking at the receivers who
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: were drafted in twenty twenty three, who are now through
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: their third season and might not get a contract extension
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: because this is what how he prays on, Right, who's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the guy who's going to become available? Because the team
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is a guy like the Cults are a really interesting
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: team because they've got Alec Pierce headed. I believe for no,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: no Josh Downs headed for free agency right as a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: pot receiver, Jes guy is either headed for free agency
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: or about Peers, I think, yeah, but they've got Pittman,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they've got Downs. Downs is really good. They may think
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that one of these guys has got to go, So
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: maybe there's a trade there. I don't know.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's how he got CJ. Garter Johnson the Saints, YEP.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Leading up to twenty two season, they just were not
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: They've made a decisions. They were not going to extend
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: his contract. Right, What's that?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: It's also how he got aj Yep, no, that's that's right.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: In fact, In fact, I and also in terms of shopping,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I remember that this is going back so many years ago.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: In fact, I don't know if how he wasn't the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: GM then I don't think yeah, because when did they
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: trade McNabb.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: What did it after the twenty ten season?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I know for a fact, as I put
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: it out then that they were shopping McNabb at the
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Cenar Powl. They were just trying to get e gauge
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: what the interest level was, and they went up trading him.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: That's what you do. You could do it quietly, you
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: could just there's ways you can do it. But yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: on Josh Jallons, by the way, it was a really
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: good slap receiver. Been hurt a lot, but he signed
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: through twenty six. Alec Pearce is up. My nickname for
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: him is nine round Piers. It's really what he does.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: He's just super explosive aout the University Cincinnati who was
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: probably overdrafted. In fact he was because he doesn't have
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: enough versatility. But man, he had a good year. But
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: he just doesn't command the football enough. But he could run,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: but could.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You see maybe well this is for down the road.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I was wondering myself, could I see a situation where
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: they want to give down to the extension after year
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: three to avoid him getting closer? For you wanna held
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: on to Pierce and maybe Pittman becomes available because he
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: sort of took He didn't have as much of a
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: year as he had in the year passed, and he
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: is a true ex He is a guy that maybe
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you can slide next to DeVante Smith and give you
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: some good good Listen.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: He's not a J.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Brown, nobody is. As you just said, He's gonna be hard.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: It's about who you fill that spot with. But it's
• 30:12
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• 30:15
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  Speaker 2: By the way, not that we're saying Michael Pittman's gonna
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: be traded, but just so you know, twenty six is
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: his last season. The total cash owed is twenty four million.
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• 30:31
  Speaker 2: way with worrying about the cap when it comes to contracts,
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• 30:36
  Speaker 2: don't care about the cap. They care about cash allocation. Yes,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you have to work around the cap, that's a real thing.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: But this is a Major League Baseball with the luxury tax.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: This is a malleable salary cap. And now Chris Ballard
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't like making trades. He only doesn't want he knows
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: he has to. Michael Pittman is a good football player.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: It just it would be be very interesting. We're doing
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: like fantasy scouting here. We're not saying that they're going
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: to trade them.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But anyway, but you if you traded you Brown, you
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: really need a true X or you have.
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  Speaker 2: To get one ye draft free agency. On your point,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: we'll do for agency stuff later a later date. But
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I couldn't because for them to have traded Brown at
• 31:16
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• 31:19
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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• 31:34
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• 31:36
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  Speaker 1: you got Smith who still signed through twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: Devonte Smith. Obviously they may have found something with Darius
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Cooper now he was an he was an undrafted free agent.
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  Speaker 1: Those guys signed three year deals, Chris, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he got a three year deal, so he's got
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  Speaker 2: two years left. Johnny Wilson also signed through twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: He was drafted year before, but he got a four
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  Speaker 2: year deal going from major injury. Britain Covey, he actually
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  Speaker 2: signed a two year deal when he signed and how
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  Speaker 2: he likes to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, he signed through this coming season so he
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  Speaker 2: could be the punt returner again. He's pretty good at.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It, Yes he is. I thought he. I was surprised
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: it took him so long to get back into that position,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: but I thought he made a difference. But just to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: illustrate the with Johan Dotson being an unrestricted free agent,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: if AJ Brown were to be traded, and we don't
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: know who they would replace him with, but you're talking
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: about a room that has Davante Smith, Darius Cooper, Johnny Wilson,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and Britain Covey. That is that is scary. But of
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: course that's before that's before how he takes the scalpel
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and four steps to it and figures out the surgery.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: But in general, just shows you their depth right there.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not great. I mean, now, now here's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: another thing for you. I think we'll probably talk about this.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: In fact, I know we did recently just about getting
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a new OC and maybe they might use some eleven personnel. Right. Well,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. You can't do it if you don't
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: have a receiver, so they have to on your point,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: they got to get much better depth. And we'll get
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: to this at some point what we want to see
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: from the new OC, because it's hard to talk about
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: that until they hire them and we know what kind
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: of scheme they're gonna run because we'll find that out.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh, it's gonna be interesting to see
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: what they do at receiver.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love how you just mentioned eleven personnel,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and we know the Eagles like to play a lot
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of twelve personnel. And we'll see who the new OC
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: is and what the philosophies are and if they align.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: But if the guy wants to play it more as
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: much twelve personnel as the Eagles have played in the past.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Well then you got to look at the tight end
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: room and think that that's about as fluid as it
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: gets too, because there's just there's what one guy signed
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: through to that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they resigning Jay Jenkins, but from the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: returning roster, Kim Lotzo is the only one he signed
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: through twenty twenty six. Bought was a great fine for them.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: He was hurt with the Niners, and Niners gave up
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: on very quickly. Yeah, but he's found a home here.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And we'll say it again. They did not use him
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: correctly in terms of snap count, and there's crossblocks Tho's
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: craziness where they'd have to cross over for watching us
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: on YouTube and we would point out on tape that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: it's really a hard ask. But he did a good
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: that's a really good fine for them. And Jason Michael,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the Titan's coach, that the Keys, he's a guy you
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: won around as a as a y tight end. But
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: they now now Goddard's contracts up sales, calcutar and grantson
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: grants and only contribute on special teams where he's really good,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: very athletic. I just don't see why you wouldn't go
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: to Goddard say, hey, you had a great year. Now
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: could another team they see him, and he turns thirty
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: one next week, give him a two or three year
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: deal with two years fully guaranteed. Maybe they obviously he
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: that Leagles aren't going to do that, right, but would
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: he like to maybe go year to year with Eagles?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: You never know? True, I mean it actually worked out well.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: From everything they were definitely they were dead settle moving them.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: This is the talk around the league. As we reported
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: at the time, they were looking doing everything they could
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: have cut to remove his cash from the from their
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: their books, and he took a five million pay cut,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: which was actually pretty reasonable. And what a year he had,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: so why would you try to bring him back?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Eagles were a great red zone scoring team. They didn't
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: get there a whole lot, but they're a great way
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: they did, so it makes you wonder if they if
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: they had wound up trading him, what would they have done?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Like he had eleven touchdowns, I don't know how many
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: overall timeouns.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, yeah, but even a rookie you can't
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: like Mason Taylor had a nice year with the Jets,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: but was he going to come in and have eleven
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: touchdowns for the Well, the.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Whole thing was was was disgusting the Jets offense. But yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I mean they could have looked the draft. There there
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: were there were like four or five good ones, but
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you never know. We'll think about it this way. What
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: if they traded god and got shut out in the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: first two rounds a tight end? Holy bleep, Well, Grants
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: probably would have fifty catches because someone had to catch football.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah somebody. Yeah, yeah, maybe then they wouldn't have underutilized
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a lot too, So who knows, but yeah, Grant Calcatara
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: free agent. Grantson free agent, Godard free agent. This is
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: a room, a position group that is very much in flux,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and it's probably going to be probably want to be
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the most position group that we talk about quite a
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: bit this offseason. It's undergo the most change most likely.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm grief.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: All right, let's finish it off. Offensive line. Uh listen,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: this isn't breaking news for it, but the entire offensive
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: line is signed here through at least one more year.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But there are a major question marks obviously with Lane Johnson,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: his health status, what he's going to do Jurgens and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Dickerson were beat up. They're on long term deals, Jurgens
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: until twenty nine, Dickerson until twenty eight. Steen is what
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Stein's got one year left? Yes, yeah, well he is
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: up for an extension this year. But I don't, Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Question bad, He's just oh, he's just okay. The question
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: is with with Steve, is he still gonna be the starter.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: That's a great point, especially we have to see what
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: they're going to do in the draft in the off season,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: because I think how we did Adam an admirable job
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of stockpiling what he could. You know, we're talking about
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Day three. He drafted Cam Williams and Miles Hitting, then
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: he claimed Willie Lampkin. He's got Drew Kendall got some
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: playing time. But I you know, it's hard to say
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: if there's a future starter in there, someone you'd be
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: confident to play three or four games if you're center,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: your starting center or guards got hurt.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Not only that is where is your veteran backup? I
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: understand it's we're only in January here, so obviously he
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't start till September. It's not a big deal, right,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: but my lot of signs for twenty eight. We're not
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: next in a year from now, if this this line
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: plays poorly again with the run game, if they're if
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: they're as bad as they were, we're gonna have to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: start looking at contracts because this can't continue. It's just
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it happened. It was a bad year overall of the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: run blocking. Yep. And by the way, with lane structure,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the way I understood it at the time was lane
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: structure is is as if he comes back this season,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: it stays on the original terms of the last extension,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: they would have to redo it for like that. It
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: was kind of like the way that we noted at
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the time with Kelsey's so long ago, was when we
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: kept coming back, Well, they both agreed that, okay, if
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: it comes back, it'll have to be redone. That's kind
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of the same thing after twenty six. Okay, so I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: think I don't have in front of it, but I
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: just remember, like this the way was structured, they'd have
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: to redo it. But the Kendall, Kendall, I mean, he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: just he barely played. As you know, he barely played.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: He signed through twenty eight Lampkin because they claimed him
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: off waivers. The original terms was undirected free agent deal.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: He signed through twenty seven. We'll get a look at
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: him in the off season program. Kim Williams did look
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: good in that final game. He actually, you know, Grego's
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: held totals. He was like, wow, okay, you know he
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: he knew how raw he was. Yeah, he kind of
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: he kind of opened some eyes. Uh. So that that
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: was that was good at hint and didn't really play
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Miles Sinton. He's signed through twenty eight and prior Toath
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and Fred Johnson are up so Toath had that one
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: excellent game kind of out of nowhere. It's a good,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: great thing for him. Fred Johnson might have been how
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: he's best off see someone. Yeah, Frankly, I'm being honest
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think with with Kendall and Williams, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you get there's some advantage of that there there was
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: no tape on them to begin with. They can get
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: in there and play, so it is good. But I
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: don't none of us can know right now. Are they
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: going to be guys who can go in and start
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: If the Eagles have once again have.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Interest, That's my point. That's why they need veterans. Getting
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Fred Johnson back as the top swing tackle. Could be huge. Yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: no one's could have signed him to start, that's not happening.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: It happened with Jacksonville. He signed a modesty with Jacksonville.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: So let's let's let's see what happens. And yeah, I mean,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you really need three veterans because man, with Dickerson's injury history,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: which is significant jargons if you go back to Nebraska,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: not as significant as Dickerson's, but it's hit a tough year.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: You need as many quality backups as you can get. Now,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: you could also go through you off season program, see
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: how these guys are bulking up. The young guys. How
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: do they look? Man, they need better answers for the
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: backup group. It just was not good enough.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: It was not and very interesting. I think, how we
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you know in Howie he's gonna invest some draft capital
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and maybe earlier than day three on that offense line
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: because those are some big contracts there, all right, that
• 43:39
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• 43:42
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• 43:44
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