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  Speaker 1: Fundamental principles of LEDO, my national self interesting and individual wise.
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  Speaker 1: This is the ran Brook Show. Oh right, everybody, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to your one book show on this Saturday, April twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 1: It is kind of a weird hour for the Iran
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  Speaker 1: book Show, so I apologize for that.
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  Speaker 2: It is noon Eastern time.
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  Speaker 1: Some of you on the West coast are probably just
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  Speaker 1: waking up, but I have a flight to catch.
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  Speaker 2: I am heading out to Austin.
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  Speaker 1: Texas, where tomorrow I'm attaining some events associated with the
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  Speaker 1: University of Austin in Texas, and I am.
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  Speaker 2: Teaching at the university on starting on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: So I've got a fourteen hour class US that I'm
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  Speaker 1: teaching on capitalism starting on Monday, every day for I
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  Speaker 1: guess seven days, two day, two hours a day.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So hopefully that'll be fun.
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  Speaker 1: But that that starts on Monday and tomorrow, as I said,
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  Speaker 1: there's some events associated with the university. The interesting I
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  Speaker 1: get I'll get to see and I a see him
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  Speaker 1: say hello to Ben Shapiro and Neil Ferguson and a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people like that, so it'll be interesting. I
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  Speaker 1: just watched actually Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris interviewed. Ben Shapiro
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  Speaker 1: and Ben Shapera try to continue to defend Trump and
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  Speaker 1: Sam Harris be skeptical about that on the issue of Trump,
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  Speaker 1: I am I'm with I'm with Sam, all right, So
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  Speaker 1: let's jump in here with a panel. We have a
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  Speaker 1: relatively small panel today, so maybe maybe more people will
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  Speaker 1: join us as the show goes on. And that also
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  Speaker 1: means there's plenty of time to answer your super chat
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  Speaker 1: questions if you have them, So feel free to ask
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  Speaker 1: questions and the super chat, and of course I can
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  Speaker 1: always riff on whatever if you'd like me to do that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's stell with Ian.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you're on.
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  Speaker 4: So one thing that's in the news is so Trump's
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  Speaker 4: suing the Irs and just a reminder of them, and
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  Speaker 4: remember Trumps as an individual is suing the IRS for
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  Speaker 4: ten billion dollars because a contractor that'd work with them
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  Speaker 4: leaked his tax records and that person has been convicted
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  Speaker 4: and like I think it's gone to jail for it
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  Speaker 4: been fired, et cetera. But the interest news this week
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  Speaker 4: is that the judge on the case and Trump and
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  Speaker 4: the the supposedly I the Irs and Trump's lawyers are
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  Speaker 4: negotiating a settlement, as we talked about. But the judge
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  Speaker 4: in the case this week has said, you know, hang
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  Speaker 4: on there. I'm not sure that this case is valid
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  Speaker 4: at all because it's not adversarial enough because Trump, of
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  Speaker 4: course runs the irs. And so my question is should
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  Speaker 4: there be a law, And I think you could do
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  Speaker 4: it as a law, not a constitutional amendment that says
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  Speaker 4: a sitting president cannot sue the government in any fashion
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  Speaker 4: as a private individual while they are in office, and
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  Speaker 4: a sitting individual cannot be sued by the government while
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  Speaker 4: they are in office. And to make that work, you
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  Speaker 4: would extend the statute of Limitations so that any lawsuit
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  Speaker 4: either way would have to be settled after they are
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  Speaker 4: in office. And that would remove this conflict, because it's
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  Speaker 4: a clear conflict, like there's like Trump is going to
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  Speaker 4: give himself some some billions of dollars here if allowed to,
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  Speaker 4: and it's just it makes no legal sense whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here's the point.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody would have ever thought of such a law, the
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  Speaker 1: necessity physici a law pre Trump. Nobody He's ever sued
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  Speaker 1: the government as a city president, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: any city president.
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  Speaker 2: Was sued by the government.
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  Speaker 1: So Trump is the first one to and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure to ever be needed again.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, I mean that that makes complete sense.
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  Speaker 1: Of course Trump would veto such a law, and Republicans
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  Speaker 1: would never would never put such a law forward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's unbelievable how corrupt Trump is and how
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  Speaker 1: willing everybody is just to go along with it. Like
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  Speaker 1: you know, Ben Shapiro, I said earlier, was being interviewed
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  Speaker 1: by Sam Harris about this, and Sam makes a big
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  Speaker 1: deal out of the corruption, and you know, Ben Shapiro's
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  Speaker 1: attitude is, yeah, this is all wrong, this is all bad,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it's the price I'm willing to pay
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  Speaker 1: not to have a leftist in office basically, I mean
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  Speaker 1: basically what he's saying. And I think that's the attitude
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  Speaker 1: of most Republicans in its attitute of Congress, which means
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  Speaker 1: that Congress is basically completely defaulting on the responsibility in
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  Speaker 1: their job. But yeah, a lot like that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: That probably a lot of laws you would think of
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  Speaker 1: writing now that you've seen what Trump makes possible. So
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  Speaker 1: family businesses, ownership of those businesses pre post trust, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, there has to be some way
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  Speaker 1: to separate investment, family investment from the.
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  Speaker 2: Decisions of government.
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course you can have all the laws
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  Speaker 1: in the world, but if they're not being applied, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if the Justice Department, because you control the Justice Department,
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  Speaker 1: isn't going after the people involved, Like I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: had the story yesterday about the inside of Training.
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  Speaker 2: They went after this.
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  Speaker 1: Special Forces sergeant for inside of training and yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: made four hundred thousand dollars in information he knew and
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  Speaker 1: he shouldn't do that. They should be I'm sure there's
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  Speaker 1: regulations in the military that say you can't you can't
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  Speaker 1: use the information you gain from a military operation to
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  Speaker 1: do whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I assume there are they should be anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, people are making hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars and literally billions of dollars off of inside the
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  Speaker 1: Training who are affiliated with the Trump family, or affiliate
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  Speaker 1: with a Whitcoff family, or affiliate with people who were
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  Speaker 1: insiders in the White House. And my general sense is
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  Speaker 1: not a single one of them will get arrested.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, fine to arrest there.
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  Speaker 1: So the laws can be on the books, but yes,
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  Speaker 1: in this case a judgement you throw it out, so
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  Speaker 1: you would say, yeah, you can't sue. There's a law
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  Speaker 1: that says you can't sue, so it would throw it out.
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  Speaker 1: So that would be good. We still have at least
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  Speaker 1: one a branch of government that is functioning independently of
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  Speaker 1: the executive congressesm so, but legal, the law, the lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: the sorry, the court seem to still be functioning independently.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I think a lot like that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: But you're on what it really mattered though, because I mean,
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  Speaker 3: as long as government is so involved, people are just
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  Speaker 3: gonna find ways around. It's like the campaign finance stuff, right,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but the campaign finance stuff I think
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  Speaker 1: is pretty it's pretty innocuous.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what does it really do.
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  Speaker 1: So people spend a lot of money on campaign finance,
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  Speaker 1: but the reality is money doesn't buy you political office.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, in many cases the people who spend less win.
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  Speaker 2: It might give some people a temporary advantage.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, people will keep finding ways and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've got to make at least the effort
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  Speaker 1: to try to try to stop it because otherwise you
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  Speaker 1: just become a banana republic. Whether it's just out there
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  Speaker 1: and people are just transferring suitcases of cash. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to you've got to do You've got to do what
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  Speaker 1: you can to stop the bleeding in the way that
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  Speaker 1: you can. And acknowledging that it's only going to be partial.
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  Speaker 3: In some ways, why not transfer the suitcases of cash
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  Speaker 3: and just have it out in the open that these
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  Speaker 3: people know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a sense of which that's true.
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  Speaker 1: But it would be good if if somebody was you know,
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  Speaker 1: rested for the inside of trading stuff and and and
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  Speaker 1: it would be good if Trump just couldn't sue the trade,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the IO s when he you know, everybody
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  Speaker 1: DIABs is bold into Trump. So I mean, yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is not adversil. So good for the judge for pointing
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  Speaker 1: that out. We'll see if you can follow through and
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  Speaker 1: dismissed the case completely and.
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  Speaker 3: You under.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry as I say, A one does have a good
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  Speaker 4: point that it used to be I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: they call the spoil system. It used to be more explicit, right,
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  Speaker 4: like you got into office, you appointed all your buddies,
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  Speaker 4: they all made money.
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  Speaker 1: And then you left office.
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  Speaker 4: The next time I came in and pointed all his buddies,
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  Speaker 4: they all made money, and we got rid of that. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: that was that was for one hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: That was in the in the early part of the
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  Speaker 1: of the US government. Yes, and and where for example,
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  Speaker 1: whoever ran the the customs House in New York made
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  Speaker 1: a ton of money because they they they they got
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  Speaker 1: to skim off of all the all the customs that
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  Speaker 1: came in. And that was there was a good TV show.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this in yesterday show. I think about
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  Speaker 1: President Garfield and uh and the custom House played played
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  Speaker 1: because he was he was a president committed to getting
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  Speaker 1: rid of that system and uh and probably did a
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  Speaker 1: lot to move that more than any of the president.
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  Speaker 2: To move that forward.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you've got these things, you've got to identify them,
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  Speaker 1: you got to get try to get rid of them.
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  Speaker 1: And you know that given the as you said, the
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  Speaker 1: expansive role of government, then more stuff will come and
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  Speaker 1: you got to get rid of that.
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  Speaker 2: And hopefully one day we learned that the real.
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  Speaker 1: Answers to shrink is to shrink the size in more
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  Speaker 1: poltantly the scope of government.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Ian Imline.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so my question, it's a little bit complicated, the question,
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  Speaker 3: so let me let me try to lay it out
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  Speaker 3: a bit. So a few weeks ago, I think you
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  Speaker 3: had a show about heroes and heroism and kind of
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  Speaker 3: heroes and culture and all that kind of stuff. It
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  Speaker 3: was really good show. I really enjoyed it. But one
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  Speaker 3: of the points that you were raising was that you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the past decade, two decades, whatever, that the heroes
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  Speaker 3: are always tortured, right, they always have some back story
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  Speaker 3: that's horrible, and all this kind of stuff. And then
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  Speaker 3: I think you were trying to draw, like, Okay, what
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  Speaker 3: does this mean for the culture more broadly, that you know,
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  Speaker 3: the way the hero is always like that and the
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  Speaker 3: villains are always alone with a good life and all that.
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  Speaker 3: I actually wanted to throw two eral arcs that I
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  Speaker 3: think contradict that, And I'm wondering if their popularity indicates
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  Speaker 3: at least something that might be bubbling that could be
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  Speaker 3: positive at a very very low level. It's probably negated
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  Speaker 3: by everything else coming on. But and I know, I
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  Speaker 3: know you don't like the series, but just you know
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  Speaker 3: the books and everything. But one of them is Reacher
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  Speaker 3: and the other one is Harry Bosh and both in
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  Speaker 3: the books and in the in the series, and I
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  Speaker 3: would I would submit that neither of those are tortured
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  Speaker 3: in any way. They both had very clear moral compasses.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously their backgrounds have shaped them, but you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: never like, oh my god, you know, I'm always tortured.
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  Speaker 3: They have they have a very clear moral compass, like
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  Speaker 3: Bosh for example, has as saying you know that everybody
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  Speaker 3: matters or nobody matters, which I think in a cop
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  Speaker 3: is a very good attitude to have. Reacher, you know, similarly,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is clearer on what he what he wants
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  Speaker 3: to do. And both of these series are immensely popular
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  Speaker 3: in both the books and the TV. So does that
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  Speaker 3: indicate anything that Yeah, there's people that you know that
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  Speaker 3: there is a the population or many people. They can't
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  Speaker 3: articulate it, but they are looking for heroes like that,
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  Speaker 3: and how could that be capitalized?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's definitely constant search for heroes. Why
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  Speaker 1: I think superheroes movies succeed and why.
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  Speaker 2: There's always a market for pooic movies.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, even if they're undermined in some way
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  Speaker 1: by the artists themselves, there's always people want that.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want heroes.
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  Speaker 1: It's not that they don't make money, it's that artists
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  Speaker 1: don't produce them already produce them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there was the Jason Bourne. I mean, most.
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  Speaker 1: Action movies, who they do very well in history, you know,
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  Speaker 1: involve heros who went out.
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  Speaker 2: They're almost all.
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  Speaker 1: Is in the action realm, very very rarely kind of
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  Speaker 1: in a more kind of adult dramatic form. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's a deep need and desire that people have for
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  Speaker 1: heroes and uh and and Hollywood capitalizes on it regularly.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of them movies that have heroes of second
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  Speaker 1: rate production. I think Reaches what I think Reach.
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  Speaker 2: Is one of those. I just don't like the production
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  Speaker 2: values in Reacher.
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  Speaker 1: But but and the ones that are highly produced, really
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  Speaker 1: really well produced, tend to be the ones that are
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  Speaker 1: you know, the breaking bad. They're really good writing. If
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  Speaker 1: you look, if you look for great writing, it's in
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  Speaker 1: the breaking bad like like things, and really the ones
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  Speaker 1: that everybody's talking about and the culture shaping other breaking bad,
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  Speaker 1: the Sopranos, the you know, the Game of Thrones, that's
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  Speaker 1: the way the money speaking.
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  Speaker 3: Why why are the people that you know like where?
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  Speaker 3: Why is the good writing for those kind of heroes
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  Speaker 3: and not for kind of the ones that aren't torture
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  Speaker 3: than because I.
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  Speaker 1: Think I think they think. I mean, I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of them think that tortured hero is more interesting.
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  Speaker 1: That life is not about you here this all the time, right,
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  Speaker 1: life is not about black and white that. I think
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  Speaker 1: the writers find it more challenging and interesting to write
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  Speaker 1: for those kind of shows. I think at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day, viewers get more I mean more viewers
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  Speaker 1: watch those shows when the when the writing is good, because.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't challenge them as much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look at Baking Bad still has a positive
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  Speaker 1: moral story, right. Basically Baking Bad is slippy slope, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he constantly becomes worse once he once he
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  Speaker 1: violates a little bit, he becomes a monster. Dan, So
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  Speaker 1: so don't take that foot step and you won't become
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  Speaker 1: a monster. But it also glamorizes him, particularly in the
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  Speaker 1: final episode. The way he dies in the end is
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  Speaker 1: kind of a glamorization of the gangster, which is again popular,
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  Speaker 1: has been popular for a long long time, and most
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  Speaker 1: gangster movies the gangsters don't do well. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: Godfather movies, the gangster suffers. So there's an understanding that
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  Speaker 1: that of that, but but there just isn't doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to be the writing talent is not attracted to and
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  Speaker 1: the directing talent is not attracted to.
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  Speaker 2: Just good old hearers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the last real genre that had that was
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  Speaker 1: the Westerns, and and and you know that that was
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: in the fifties and forties. He really, even the Westerns
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  Speaker 1: since then have been bled and darker and more mixed.
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  Speaker 1: And the spaghetti Westerns I think started that with just
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  Speaker 1: being dumb and and focused on the physicality, not on
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  Speaker 1: on and on the humor rather than on the on.
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  Speaker 2: Values at stake.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, again, action movies, they have heroes.
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  Speaker 1: Usually by the way, the action movie villains are either
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  Speaker 1: successful businessmen or the CIA or the American government. Right,
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  Speaker 1: American governments almost forget about the Russian and Chinese or
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  Speaker 1: the Muslims.
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  Speaker 2: It's the American government that's really the bad guys.
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  Speaker 1: So that kind of again is undermining in some sense,
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  Speaker 1: not the heroes themselves, but of the of our country
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  Speaker 1: and of the place where you might have real heroes.
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  Speaker 1: So so yes, I mean there is a need for heroes.
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  Speaker 1: If you if you put a here on on screen
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  Speaker 1: and you do it, well, look at the mission Impossible movies.
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  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean Tom Cruise is out and
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  Speaker 1: out hero in those movies, and there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: They're action movies and and he always succeeds, and he
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  Speaker 1: always wins. And they're you know, they're not particularly clever,
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  Speaker 1: they're not particularly smart.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it is My internet is unstable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, your your video is very jerky.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird. Uh, what's going on? Mm?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on? Okay, okay, still joking.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: This is good.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we should have done the zoom call turn
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  Speaker 3: off our videos.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I doubt it's that because it's it seems like
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  Speaker 1: my upload, it's not your Your video is just a download.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like my upload is joky. But here it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Check you and code of it was too.
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  Speaker 2: A right, Yeah, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Something in the settings maybe on uh zoom. Let me
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  Speaker 1: just see a video. Let me just see if I
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  Speaker 1: can find this. Yep. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: All right, it's not Hopefully it's not too bad. Uh, Katherine, Hey.
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  Speaker 5: Katherine, all right, I don't really have any questions. I
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  Speaker 5: was the one I was gonna jump on the previous
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: comment because my roommate in New York and one of
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  Speaker 5: my best friends. She's the one who wrote this article
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  Speaker 5: a couple of days ago about the FBI head being
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  Speaker 5: an alcoholic, and so she's being sued now by like him,
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  Speaker 5: I guess, or the Atlantic as being sued for like defamation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I think.
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  Speaker 5: It's all going to be thrown out because because he's like.
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  Speaker 1: Meritless, because he is an alcoholic.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because he is an alcoholg and even if he
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  Speaker 5: was like not as bad alcoholic as they portrayed, like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: the law still protects journalists from like good faith mistakes, I.
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  Speaker 6: Think anyway, So I guess I don't know if.
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  Speaker 5: There's really a question there, but it seems like when
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  Speaker 5: it seems like these public figures who are like super sensitive,
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  Speaker 5: if they get their feelings hurt, they just sue.
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  Speaker 6: And even if it's completely.
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  Speaker 5: Meritless, but who pays for these it's still expensive. Like
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: it just seems like he just literally it's like his
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: feelings got hurt.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And like, yeah, I mean I think that he I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: think it's it is just feeling got hood, but he
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: he feels like if he doesn't sue, it's like he
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: had him admitting the guilt, him admitting that he really
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: is an alcoholics. I think he's part of the face. Yeah,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is to say face, and he might drop the lawsuit
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: or the or the judge might throw it out. But
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: at least he tried. At least he showed that he
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: cares or whatever and that he's not an alcoholic something
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: So yeah, but I think it's just gonna get worse
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: for him because talking to her, she's had so many
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: people and out come contact her. She's like inundated every
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: day with people like corroborating the story of him actually
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: being much worse of an alcoholic than the article.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Even.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's the danger these people, uh,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: these people have.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: The danger is that.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Let me just see something.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: The danger is going to come all the stuff is
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: going to come out.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty of reasons to believe him and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Hick Seth are real alcoholics and or at least drink
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know what alcoholic means.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you category somebody as an alcoholic
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: versus somebody who just drinks a lot. But they drink
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: a lot and they get drunk often, And it wouldn't
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: surprise me if that's completely true, and a lot.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Of stuff will come out of this.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But he's and he's also not a particularly even by
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the standards of put aside his politics, he's probably not
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: good particularly good FBI director, So you know, this will
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: just probably accelerate him having to leave office. But yeah,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I mean they I think they sue with a hope
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that that people will think, Oh, he wouldn't sue if
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: he didn't really if he was an alcoholic or something
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: You know, who knows what.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: These people are thinking're not particularly the most rational people
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: But do you think it's like also like a fear
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: tactic to like, because Sarah has said like a lot
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: of these like there's just like a fear of these
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: high value lawsuits that like make journalists and media companies
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: like not want to go after the truth sometimes, which
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: is like not good for our country.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if that would apply to you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a well capitalized company like The Atlantic. I think it
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: does apply to individuals, right, So if she was being
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: sued individually, Yeah, then my guess is she would really
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: be panicking because because you know, this guy probably can
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: can spend millions of dollars in the lawsuit, and she can.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I know, I know that the people I'm careful about
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: not you know, going after because they're prone to sue
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and they can spend millions of dollars and I can't,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So why bother. Yeah, I'm just going to stay away
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: from the whole thing. So so I think it is
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: intimidating when when somebody who has a high you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: somebody in a position of power, somebody who can spend
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, sues you. But I doubt that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it's intimidating of law firms they have of a big
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: media firms, they have insurance, they have the money to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: pay to defend themselves.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: But individuals absolutely.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, thank you. It's not really a question. But
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: I just this has been on my mind because she
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: is my good friend.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, good for her. Yeah, And it can be
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: easy because I'm sure there are a lot of the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, part of the part of the problem with
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: these people is that that you piss off one of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the mega heroes and Mega comes after you and and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and they can be pretty nasty.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of her, all right, it's ned to take
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: on the FBI would be Yeah, I'd be more worried
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: about you know what other crap this guy can pull. Yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I mean you have to be finding something.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: On you, right, or make it up even Yeah, you
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: have to be worried about any any skeletons in your closet.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Hopefully she has.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: No, No, she doesn't.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. All right, let's think if you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: super check questions, and then we'll go back to a panel. Michael,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: do statists today recognize some freedom must be preserved the
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: leech from where status fifty one hundred years ago thought
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: no freedom was required to generate economic output. Yeah, I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: mean I think that's definitely true. I think status today
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: have a much better realization that you've got to be
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: able to allow for some level of economic liberty, freedom
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: for businessmen to generate the wealth. I mean, certainly the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: model of China is a model a lot of people
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: are looking at, and the failure of the Soviet Union
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: is certainly they are looking at. I think they misdiagnosed
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: kind of what happened underst Lenian, under under Hitler, but
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: generally they realize, yes, there's something about the market that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: makes it more effective in some areas. It seems like
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: we can regulate it a lot we just can't own
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it and completely control it. And if we do that,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: we can we can get we can still get some
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: eke out some economic growth. So yes, I think the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: lesson of Soviet Union and the lesson if you will
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: have twenty first century China, twentieth and twenty first century
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: China is one that people have taken the heart all right,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: let's see author Oh two parts okay, Part one? Do
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the powers that be no, not to go too far.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: We're taking the profit motive out of big pharma. The
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Europeans also leach of us probably don't want us healthcare
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: market fully socialized. Well, let me answer that. So again,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I think yes they do. I think they realize that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: if farmer makes no money, then it's pretty clear what happens.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: There's no R and D and no incidentive for them
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to invest. So yes, it's very much don't kill the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: golden goose, the goose that lays the golden eggs, but
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you know, milk the goose for as much as you can,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: for whatever political benefit you think you can achieve. You know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Trump doing price caps on drugs and things like that,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it is part of that. There's no question in Europeans
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: leach off of the United States. Deep down, they don't
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: want the US healthcare system to be completely socialized because
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: then the leaching would be over in a sense, because
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you know, the there'd be no innovation. Everybody would suffer
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: as a consequence. I keep telling Europeans, if US healthcare
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: system when socialized, you would suffer together with us because
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you would stop being able to free write off of
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the American system. So I think they do realize that,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't stop them from claiming their system is better,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: because again, the arguments are not economic. Primarily, the arguments
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: are moral argument. But what about the kid that doesn't
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: have insurance and born with their birth defect and his
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: parents can't find insurance and he dies because nobody will
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: take care of him. I mean that that is what
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they go to every single time, right people, I mean
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Europeans generally believe that Americans are dying in the streets
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: because they get no health care, and that you know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: even and when.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: They do get health care, it's bankrupting them.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: And I know there are people out there which the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: American system is treated really really badly and have suffered
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: as a consequence, and that's you know, it's a product
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of the mixed economy that we live in, and it's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a product of this mixture of some private and some socialized.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I still believe it's much much better than the socialized system,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and the solution is always to privatize more. And for
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: most of us, the American system does a pretty good job.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: At least for me.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It certainly has in terms of the insurance it provides
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and the cost benefit analysis. All right, author has a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: part too. If we continue this ignorant pursuit of socialized medicine,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: we will witness a decline in the medical technology advancements
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and an increase in human suffering.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: It is frightening, Yes, there's no question that's true.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: What drives medical innovation, what drives drug innovation is the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: profit motive. It's obviously curiosity and passion and love for
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the science, but what drives investment into that and drives
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the commercializing of all of that is the profit motive.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And without the profit motive it would die in And
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: note that even pharmaceutical companies in Europe have that because
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you know, gp ones which are become this miracle drug
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that I can't remember what percentage of Americans are taking it,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: but a large percentage of Americans are taking it. That
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: was a drug developed in Europe. It's a it's a
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it's a drug that the primarily is it was developed
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in Denmark, and but it makes most of its profits
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: in the United States because the European governments against squeeze
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: their profits in terms of in terms of buying it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So, yep, you.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Don't get innovation, certainly not at the rate we do
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: without without without the United States, without us being a
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: market that is driven by by profit, by people will
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: need to pay a price for what they what they use,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: what they consume. All right, if you're on right now,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have plenty of time for super
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: check questions. So police consider asking questions. It is an
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: ame h And yeah, let's in the meantime, let's turn
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: back to Ian.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know how many I don't know how many
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: questions you had, Ian, but.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Well I'm coming up with more because it actually the
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: other people are asking interesting questions. I've got some follow
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: up thoughts, but I might get to those first. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: wanted to let's stick with the super negative Trump stuff,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: which since you brought up the Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: interview which I watched the snippet that they posted, which
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: is like fifteen minutes, yep. And it is really interesting
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: that at least in that snippet he has dropped out
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: of the positive case for Trump, and it really is
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: what everyone else produces to which is but the left,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: like the left is worse. And Sam Harris does an
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: interesting thing which he pushes him and he says, like, okay,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: what could Trump do where you would actually disavow him
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: and say no, I would.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Prefer and.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Ben Spier refuses to answer that question, like he just
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: dodges and docks.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: He does it with a smile on his face. He's
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: very smart, very quick on his feet. He will he
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: will not answer that question.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: And it's just like like it really is. Trump could
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and these guys would still well,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: but you know Camel kama Aras would do something worse.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: It's well, I mean, Ben Ben still says he likes overall,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: he likes his policies. He doesn't like his character, but
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: he likes his policies except for tariffs, but he likes it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: He doesn't like the corruption, he doesn't like the character,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: but He likes the policy package, as he calls it,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: which he said during that interview, is mostly like the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: first term except for the tariffs. So he still rationalizes
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the Partment of Justice. He doesn't talk about the part
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: of justice he talked about Januars six. He's really upset
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: about January six, he says. I don't know how much
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: he talked about it on his show, but he said
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to Sam Harris, he's really is really upset at what
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: they did Visavigenus six. I wonder, I mean, obviously a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: big you know, Israel does play a big role in
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro was thinking, as it does for a lot
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: of people I know, and you know Kamala would have
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: turned it back on Israel. And you can see the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Democrats now voted in the Senate, a majority of Democrats
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: voted to put bask In Almsenbogo in Israel, not sell
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: them any weapons just a few days ago, so you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Israel's a big deal. He thinks Iran is going to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: turn out great one way or the other. No matter
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: what happens from now, Iran will be really good and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: there will be regie change within a couple of years.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: That's Ben's perspective.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I wonder Sam didn't ask him. I don't know what
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Ben's perspective on Russia Ukraine is. That would have been
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: interesting because he praised Trump's phone policy. So but I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: don't know how far that goes. But yeah, I mean
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: it is it very much? Is it very much? Is
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: about Uh? It's not the left and I I like
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I like the package he kept saying. I like the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: package of of of what do you call it?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Policy stuff?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Your froe was there for about ten seconds? You're round?
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know what's going on. See my WiFi?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Is I just do something? Once said?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: It looks like it caught up again. It's not jittering
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It must be in Yeah, my
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: speeds are really fast, so I'm not sure what it is.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It's probably just unstable. So I don't know what I said,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: what you missed? But I mean he keeps justifying it,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: or keeps rationalizing it by the package of policies. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: like that's what he says. He doesn't like every detail.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he thinks about ice. My guess
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: he supports ICE. I think during the ice thing he
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: was critical of I think one of the shooting, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: generally supportive of what Ice does.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro he's big on.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Immigration controls and he actually mentioned that I think as
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: part of the things that he likes that the voat
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: is not open not open immigration, right, That's what they
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: accused Biden enough, So that's how he holds it in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: his mind. He holds in his mind is I voted
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: for policies, not for character. And and Sam is pushing
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: but character matters, and you know, Ben Shapiro is saying, no,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: what matters in the presidency is policy, and which is
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: an interesting you know, it's it's conservatives used to say
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it's character. You know, it's all about character. You know
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: if you remember the Bill Clinton days, and he claimed
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: he's now willing to admit he doesn't care about character,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: which is a pretty amazing admission for somebody like.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro, who is, you know, religious.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, claims to have, you know, through religion,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: this height model character. So it's pretty bankruptcy. What's that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I'd like to see somebody push them on the immigration thing,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: particularly in the legal immigration. There's a great Cato article
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: recently about how much legal immigration is down under Trump
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: and how many things the Trump administration has done against
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: legal immigration. Ye, like it's it's not just a legal immigration,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: they've they've cut more out of legal immigration.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Than have others.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: My guess that Ben would hum and ha.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And you know, again, he's sophisticated, he's smart, he's quick,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and he'll say something like, yes, no, I disagree. I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: think there should be more legal immigration, but maybe in
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the short run they have to do this in order
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to appease I don't know, and h one B's there
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: are abuses of h one B's and maybe we need
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to do something. And you know, so he'll he'll maybe
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: if I have an opportunity, I'll ask him. Because I'm
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: attending this this event with him on Sunday night.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: So I was going to ask for this is University
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: of Austin, not University of Texas at Austin.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this University of Austin, which is where I'm going
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to be teaching on studying Monday. Yeah, all right, I'm gone.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we've talked in the past about, you know,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: how a proper society would have had regulations and so forth,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: and I think you might have kind of talked about
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: some of this before too, But just for clarity, would
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: there be some things that would still require regulation because
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the potential impact could be so great that you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: you just don't. As much as possible, you want to
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: try to avoid having those things happen. So for example,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you know where things like insurance and stuff would just
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: not be enough, right that you know it wouldn't okay, okay,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: So let me give an example. So like if somebody
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: starts building their own nuclear power plant or bombs and
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: things like that, maybe experiment with vaccines. Maybe maybe that's
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: a better example, right where you know, like these are
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: these are things that Okay, you can have insurance, but
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: you know, is it enough? And you know, I.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Mean, you know, if somebody's if somebody is experimenting vaccines
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and you have reason to believe that they're unqualified or
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: dangerous in some way or another, then yeah, then the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: government needs to step in.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: But they have to have some.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Cause to believe there's a risk, because where's the end
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: of it, right, vaccines and I'm building a car that's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: not safe, and I'm building a toy that's not safe,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm building so it has to be that there's
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a reason to believe that what is being done can
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: inflict harm on people. You know, you walk by a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: construction site and the crane is tilted in a kind
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of a what looks like a dangerous way, and you
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: call up the city and yeah, they should have a department,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a department of supervisors or whatever who can then come
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and see, Yeah, that's a risk. You know, somebody could
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: die and go in and find the company or force
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: them to correct the.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Crane.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Somebody's somebody's you know, unqualified, is is doing medical research
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: or doing nuclear power building a nuclear pop plant. You know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the government, the government needs to needs to at least
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: verify that bad stuff is not happening. Now, what form
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: exactly that takes, and what constitutes a threat and what
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't constitute a threat? I mean, those all interesting questions
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that would have to be worked out, and what's the threshold?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean should the government right now
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: be regulating in some way issues regarding the use of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: AI to commit crimes, to build biological weapons or chemical weapons.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Should you know, at the very least, should they be
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: telling the AI companies they might be liable if if
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: if that their platform is used for such a purpose,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and that they should. They need to make sure it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: not there needs to be something exactly how it's written
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and how you would go about it, and and it
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is is uh, you know, uh complicated and and I
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: think needs to be thought out by kind of philosophers
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: of law.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: So so in this regard, though, I mean, could you
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: could you have something that would say, okay, if you're
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: going to and again, you know, I'm just taking an example.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: You maybe try to write the law in a way
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: that's more generic, but you know, like, okay, if you're
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: gonna if you're gonna be experimenting with dangerous pathogens, at
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: a minimum, you have to have ten billion dollars of
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: insurance coverage or liability or something right that you know.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: At least that way you can say okay, you know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: the government is limited to saying do you have this
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: or not? And then you're gonna you know, the reliance
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: would be that, well, anybody before they're going to write
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: a ten billion dollar policy is going to do a
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: lot of due diligence.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's a reasonable way to deal with very
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: risky projects. Yes, and again, how you define risky who
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you know, what kind of insurance policies.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: How how exactly that goes? I mean the other way is.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Is to say, with these kind of ventures, there is
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: no limited liability. That is, we pierce the corporate veil,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: we'll go after shareholders. Right. So if if if you
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: set up a corporation the builds a nuclear pop plant
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and accit that happens and they are sued, it's not just
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: some corporate entity that sued but the shareholder. It passes
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: through to shareholders. So uh, and so you could you
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: could eliminate the limited liability provisions for certain types of businesses.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering if one way to approach it is like
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: once they you know in this that might have an
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: objective way is you know, like what's the potential number
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: of people that can be killed or seriously injured that
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: didn't agree to the risk. So, for example, I happened
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: airplane like the Louisville crash is a good example, like
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: twenty some people died on the ground. They didn't agree
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to the risk of that airplane. And on the other hand,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: if you're screwing around with dangerous level four pathogens, it
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: could kill potentially millions.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: You know, then that kind of ratchetself.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: As you say, it's flippery slope once you start looking
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: at how many people and you know what's the right number.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: There's a right number.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Uh. But but but yes, I mean there has to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: be something that's considered, uh, you know, catastrophic risk versus
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: kind of the just you know, they're going to pollute
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, versus everybody's gonna die. And
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: and and I think those businesses or certain activities rather
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: than businesses could be if this happens again we're pissing,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: pissing the coporate veil. And if this happens, you have
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to buy insurance. Things like that would be reasonable and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: potentially and that way, the industry I think would produce
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: its own regulatory bodies. I mean, this is a fallacy
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: about regulation. It's not that they wouldn't be any regulation.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: It's just that the regulations would be a consequence of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: private markets and not just arbitrarly set up by government.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, thanks Katherine.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have a question.
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: Okay, I do kind of have a question.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Sure, I know I've talked about this before, but like, okay,
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: this is very off topic from everything everyone else has said.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: But what is your advice on like dealing with your
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: parents who are really difficult and frustrating and rude and
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: you don't actually enjoy spending time with them because they
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: like say rude things, but like they're your parents, and
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: so just like as there becomes, you know, adulthood and
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: just dealing with like difficult family relationships. Like if you
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: weren't my parents, I would never hang out with you.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: But you know, I mean I would say minimize contact.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I mean that's the reality, don't don't you know you
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: have to be self interested, You have to be selfish
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: about this, and if they're really doing harm to your life,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: but you still want to have some relationship with them
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: because they're your parents, and you know they give you
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: life and and and you gain some value from all
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: of that. Just minimize the contact and tell them, look,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: you guys acting like assholes towards me, and I don't
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: find it pleasant to be with you. So you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I'll see you in Christmas, but otherwise forget it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like my mom said, she went to the doctor
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: and the doctor said hers, she's perfectly healthy, that her
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: heart was having some issues, and that the doctor said,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: what's causing it is the fact that I don't like
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: her and so it's just like not fun to be
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: around her.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Then I would just I would just tell it, mom,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: if you're going to talk to me like this, it's
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: better we not talk.
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: It's just that they have a way of light being like,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: oh I didn't say that. I didn't say that, and
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: then like you hang out, and then they secretly they'll
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: be like, oh wow, that just.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Stop stop hanging out.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: You know this draw that, this idea that you have
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to spend time with your family, that you have to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: be nice to them, that is that is altruism. It's
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: straight out of altruism, and it's it's it's you know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: and parents work on making you feel guilty about it.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: And you've got to find a way to let go
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: of that and let go of the guilt and and
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: just interact with them enough to satisfy your need for
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: interaction with them. And and and maybe if you actually,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: if you actually do that, maybe they will stop being
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: so terrible. Maybe not, because it's it's just so built
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: into the character. But you've got to you can't let it.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: You can't let it disrupt your life. You can't let
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: it you know, you don't interfere with with how you
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: live your life. You don't owe them beyond they gave
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you life. Okay, Well, you've tried to be nice to them,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: you've tried to hang out with them, but you don't
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: know them anymore.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because they use that a lot. But the reality
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: is like I didn't choose.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: To be born exactly, so exactly.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: It's like using that against me is just like it's
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: not a fair because this was not my choice.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: I definitely wouldn't have chosen them.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: People.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: People spend way too much time with the with the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: unchosen family. They devote way too much energy to the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: unchosen family. And that's certainly the case. If you don't
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: like your your family, if you don't like them, and
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: if they make you feel bad, then you know you
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: don't have to cut them off completely, but minimize contact.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Or like I've been trying to do things where
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: it's like with a cooking class, but we can't talk
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: and you have to be like way far away, separate station.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Well, then the question is why do you need to
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: do that? Why do you need to take a cooking
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: class with your parents?
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Well, because I feel like they're my parents, and I'm
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: trying to just if they die, I don't know, I
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: just like I do feel some like value because they're
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: my parents, but I don't like them, to be honest,
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: it's nice, So.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Stop trying so hard, right, So once in a while
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: go and say hello and spend an evening with them
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and finished, And.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: But do it once every three months, so once.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: It'd be six months and that's it. And don't try
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to go on vacations with them or socialize with them
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: or cooking classes with them.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Just do just do.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna come for this one event.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I'll spend a couple of hours with you, and I'm gone.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I moved five thousand miles away from my parents.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And it's not that they don't like them. My parents
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: are fine, But it just makes life so much easier
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: because there's no I don't you know. I visit them
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: once a year and that's it. That's good enough, and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: they can't go.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: It's harder. If you lift bar away too, you can
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: use that excuse of.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, if I was living close, they try to
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: guilt me and a relationship would be a lot worse.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: The fact that I lived fall away a relationship is
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: actually pretty good and we get along when we get together,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: so because they you know they but if we live close,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the relationship would be worse. And so there's but you
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: have to sit boundaries and you just have to say
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: this is my boundary, and this is how it's going
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to be and finished, and if you want to have
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: a relationship with me, this is how it's going to be.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: You have to stand up.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: To them, yeah, which I've tried to do and then
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: they just say, oh, I don't remember saying that. I
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: don't know, and so it's just like crazy making.
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: So I've just.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Tried to just really really really limit my.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Interactions good I think that's.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: My cousin's presence or other people present so that it's
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: like they can't because when they get me one on one.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: I did a Oma casse tasting with my mom, which
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: I thought would be because well, you can't talk, and
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: the one that I chose.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: Which I thought would be perfect, but.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: She still is to be like, oh you that dress
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: is too tight, like she just makes all these constant
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: and it's not fun.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yep, So yep, yeah, I would not do stuff like
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: cookie and the macossa stuff with your parents because they're
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: going to ruin it. Right, there's this enjoyable activity that
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: they will find a way to ruin, So why do
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it so once it'd be three months, steal yourself, go
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: for dinner at your parents' home, spend two hours with them,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and leave, And that way they're not ruining a pleasant
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: activity for you, which is like going to a Macasa dinner.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: It's expensive and really nice and enjoyable, and now they're
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: ruining it. So what's you know, I have a.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: Ton of money, so they would pay for anything, but
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: it doesn't matter because they ruin it.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: It's not worth it, not worth it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: It's really yeah, okay.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sure, right, let's do a few of these
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: super chats. Well, do the two twenty dollars ones and
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the rest of you will have to wait. Benjamin to
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: an objectivist, is it valid to analogy analogize tax avoidance
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: under socialism as offshoing with the historic cases of individuals
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: concealing valuables under persecution, such as in the ghettos, Or
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: is it a false equivalence. I mean, I think you
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: have to be careful not to I mean, there's a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: sense in which it's the same your property is being confiscated.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: But the difference is that in America today, you have
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: a vote, you have a say, you can argue against it,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: you can lobby against it, you can make arguments. So
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: it's not quite the same as living under a dictatorship
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: where you have no say in what the gumma does
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and it's arbitrarrily confiscating your stuff. Now today it's been
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: confiscating by the will of the majority, but you can
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: all go against the majority, you can try to convince them,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: so it's not I would not analogize. It's just like
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I don't like saying things like, you know, having to
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: pay income taxes is like slavery, right your slave to
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the state, because slavey is so horrific, it's so bad
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: where you have no options, where your life is completely
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: at the mercy of your quote owner, that I just
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: don't think the state of the world, in a relatively
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: free place like the United States, is equivalent to that.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't analogize with dictatorships, with concentration camps, with ghettos,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: with with.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: You know, with slavery. I think those are.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Just too harsh and things are not quite that bad.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: And again you can anytime you can speak up against
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the people taking your stuff, you're in a better situation
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: where than when speaking up against the people taking your
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: stuff is going to get you killed, which is what
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: would happen in an authoritarian state. All right, Robert says, sorry,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: not on the panel today. Too much to do, not
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: enough time to do it, and no particular questions. Thanks
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: for doing what you do. I know you love it,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: but it's really and Francisco say both say that is
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: why I thank you.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Robert, thank you for the thank you.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: We miss you here in the panel.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Michael, do you think psychopaths or serioed killers feel no guilt, shame,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: or anxiety for their actions? I find that hard to believe.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Or are their freaks in every species and objectives and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: won't be able to describe work for them. You know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I don't know. I'm
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: not a I'm not a psychiatrist, psychologist, a psychiatrist, I
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: don't really know. But my understanding is the psychopaths don't
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: feel any guilt, They don't feel anything. They cannot they
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: all they you know, they feel some pleasure in involved
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: in the murder or the act that they commit and
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and they don't feel any even more guilt. But I
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: don't know that for a fact. I've never studied the issue. Uh,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: but you know, you know our brain is certainly our
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: brain can malfunction and and they can be malfunctions of
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the brain that uh you know, could could be there
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: from birth. And the way you just can't get over
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: those malfunctions. It's just it's just bad wiring in a sense.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, they they cannot engage in reason,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: They cannot engage in in that sense, they can't engage
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: in in the kind of thinking that would lead them
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: to understand that what they're doing is bad. And those
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: people just have to be taken out of society. There
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: were threats, so they just have to be taken out.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: But I don't know the psychiatric I don't know diagnosis
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: of what a psychopath actually is and where that comes from,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and how much of it's biological and how much of
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: it is choices they made when they were young.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know, all right, Yeah, yeah, following up a
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: little bit on the discussion you guys said earlier about
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: heroes and anti heroes, I think part of.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: It is that making somebody tortured or whatever is an.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Easy path to complexity, and what they want to write
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: about is complex characters. And I think it's actually interesting
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: that if you look at Ainrand's writings, there's some interesting
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: parallels here, because if you look at The fountain Head
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: right in a lot in a lot of ways, Dominique
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: and Gale Linen are more interesting characters than Howard dork
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Is because Harrod Wark doesn't have an arc, he doesn't
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: really change. He changes a little bit, he grows a
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: little bit as he figures out the explicitness of what
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: he's doing, yep. And because of that, he's not shown
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: as much like he's not like if you compare the
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: number of words or pages where Howard Dork appears versus
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: one of the other characters, I think it's probably less
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: than some of them, And particularly if you look at
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Out of the Shrug right, like John Gold is the
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: ideal man. He doesn't change at all in the book,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: like he just when you meet him, he is John Gold.
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: You see his backstory, and he's not shown very much
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: in the book because it's I think it's actually challenging
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: to write about somebody like that, because again they don't change.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: There's no arc.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: It's like they're they're a pillar to be shown in
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: contrast to the other complex characters. And you know, Hank
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: Reardon has problems and so you can solve the problems,
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: and so he's more complex and interesting in it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: So I think it's.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: It's not all because people hate you know, success or whatever.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: It's because they're ceasing seeking complexity. And this is an
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: easier knob to turn than creating a Howard Roark who
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: is interesting and complex but good, you know what I mean.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: But you could make you could create readence that is
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: start out flawed and achieve perfection. Right.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: So so so wook on this right and that that
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: is so.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite movies is you know, it's possible
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: to find, but if you can find it, it's definitely
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: worth watching. It's called This Land is Mine. This Land
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: is Mine. It's a nineteen forty one of forty two
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: movie by you know, Jean Renois about a Nazi occupation
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: of Afility. It's some way in Europe. It never specifies
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: a way, and the at the beginning of the movie,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: the character played by Charles Lawdon is a absolute coward
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and it's Charles Lawdon. So physically he's not a hero, right, Physically,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: he's a big guy and he's not he's ugly, and
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: he's he's just not heroic, right, not our image of
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a hero. And he becomes a hero and he at
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: the end of the movie he's like, you know, he
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: commits some of heroic act. One can both at the
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: physical level and the spiritual level.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And and it's it's.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: And you know, so it's possible to do that. It's
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: possible to take and look look at a lot of Hitchcock,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: the every day right, every day man rising to the
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: occasion and being heroic.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: So it's possible to do that interesting way.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: It's just and and one of the ways in which
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: it's done in movies is at movies is to you know,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: the fighting the bad guys. So the drama comes from
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the fighting the bad guys. Or it could be in
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: a I don't know. He has another movie that I
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: really love called Executive Suite. Executive Suite is a boardroom drama. Right,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: there's no action. It's on an action movie, but there's
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: a hero in it, and his heroism is expressed to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: his integrity, and the drama comes from his conflict with
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: the other board members around the movie starts.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: It's a great opening.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: The movie starts with CEO dropping dead, and now the
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: board has to choose a new CEO, and and the
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: whole movie is about that, that decision making process. So
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it used to be the case, because I haven't given
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: any examples in modern day, it used to be the
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: case that you could make those kind of interesting, complex
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: characters who are at least land out being incredibly heroic.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And it's I can't think of a movie from the
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: fifties and before where the whole movie is just an
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: analysis of did I freeze? You guys?
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: There definitely something weird with internet today.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, are you guys there? One too three, one
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: two three, one too three, one too three?
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: You guys there? Uh, We're okay, who phose iphose? But
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: can you hear me?
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Uh? Ian imline? Yep, zoom? Just what happened?
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: Recording in progress?
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I'm back. It looks like I'm mute.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: It looks like zoom is is because zoom is just
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: crashed and reopened. I'm not sure what's going on. Okay,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: all right, Uh Internet.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Looks really good, so I don't know what it is.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Hopefully'll come back. So we were just talking a little bit.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: Well you're off, so you've got some free content.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, I continue without you.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, I was saying.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: That I can't imagine a movie version of making bad
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: being made in the fifties unless it's a hobo movie. Right,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: So they will have movies but bad guys, but just
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: insane guys, like like Psycho. Right, but I can't remember
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: a whole movie that's just dedicated to the decline of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: somebody who makes choices and becomes one more even they
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: might be.
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  Speaker 3: I think that.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: I think if you think of like film noir and stuff,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: there are definitely some really dark movies there where people
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: do bad stuff and they just get worse and then
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: usually they get killed at the end. Maybe, but yeah,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: but the movies that don't get talked about as much.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: The movie usually has and and those I didn't don't
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: think succeeded as much. The movies usually have a hero
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that's going up against those people and he's the one
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: who wins out. So the film new was usually have
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: a dog cop with a you know, a flawed hero
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: but who actually succeeds. It's but you also have heroic characters,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: which it's very rare today outside of the realm of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: a physical action movie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you still do to get the redemption arc though,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Like even if you think of something as dark as
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Game of Thrones, like Jamie Lanister, who's at the beginning
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: of the Game of Thrones, he tosses a kid.
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  Speaker 3: Out of a window.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Yesh, I'm a bad person, and then they try to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: redeem him by he does some more heroic things. He
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: defends people need defending and stuff like that. Yeah, and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: it's neverlain if you really think back, you're like, you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: this is still a bad guy.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And you never And they never explain why he shifts,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: right They it's more like they need to hang him
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: around and they don't want him to have him be
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: completely evil, and so they say keep him around. I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: don't think they have explained his transition.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say it's more that he spends
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: he spends more time in a company of good people
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  Speaker 4: and learns to be all better. He's very he's very secondhanded.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: You know, when he's around his sister, he's a terrible person.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: When he's around other people, he's a better person. And
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: it's an interesting discussion talking about art is a little
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: bit less depressing than talking about politics.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Game of Thrones says a lot of interesting
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: things about it because it has a lot of characters,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: and it it has it's definitely going for a dramatic
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: effect and it has it has some really interesting plot
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: plots in it, so.
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  Speaker 4: And it's an interesting you know, part of what he
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: was going for in that is like, what is the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: world like when politics really is all about violence? And
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: you know, it's an honest depiction of that, Like in
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: that kind of world, this is what happens because there
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: is no law.
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  Speaker 1: It is just how absolutely absolutely and that's that's that's
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  Speaker 1: what you know. That's why I don't like it. I mean,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I like it, and I don't. I like elements of
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Game Thrones, but I don't like to live in a
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  Speaker 1: world for seven seasons was it where it's all about
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: power and that's all it really is, so physical forces
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: is the only thing that ultimately really counts. But it
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: does do a good job in showing how that corrupts
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: the characters, particularly the figure of what's her name, yeah, Deniers,
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  Speaker 1: Who's who's.
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  Speaker 2: Corrupted her power?
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  Speaker 1: And I actually like the ending that is I think
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what would happen to her. So you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: people were upset because they wanted here to be you know,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: to be heroic and to be this benevolent ruler and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: to come out of this all shiny. And I thought, no,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: this is exactly what happens when your whole It's not
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: like she was going. She was she had this vague
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: notion and she wanted to free the slaves or whatever,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: but there was no conception of how she was going
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: to rule and what that really meant. And she wasn't
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: going to give up the throne in the name of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: freedom and liberty. And you know, when you live in
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: a world of force and violence and you're dedicated to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: force and violence, yeah, you know, inflicting that kind of
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: damage on your enemy is not surprising at all.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So, so I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I mean my favorite characters were like, what was the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: little girl who learns how to who learns how to
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  Speaker 1: be an assassin?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Area? Aria?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Aria was great.
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  Speaker 1: I love w I thought that I wanted. I wanted
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the sequel of Aria as Aria grows up, and they
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: haven't done that one. They keep doing prequels, which I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: think a boy.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: They are going to do an Aria thing. I've heard rumors.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I hope so and she she's actually much darker in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: the books even than in the TV show, So it's
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: not quite as as good.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but they the the Yeah, I find the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: prequels boring, partially because you kind of know what's gonna happen.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: It was. Sequels are always interesting, so it can be interesting. Yeah,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to know what happens. John Snow, there's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff you could do if you wanted.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Going to the future. All right, I can't remember how
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: we got there, but thanks Ian, I'm done.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so getting getting away from similar and more simple
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: thing In this day and age, do you do you
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: still see the need for embassies and consolates and stuff like.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it just seems like a giant waste of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: money and these parasites just living off high off the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: hog in the you know, foreign countries, off of our
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: tax money. Well, it depends what you mean by you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: just want to talk to somebody, get on a bloody
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: zoom call and have a conversation. What do you need
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: an embassy for all this?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what you mean by in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: this day and age, right.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: So people who lose their passports. That's when I had
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: to use the embassy.
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  Speaker 3: I know, but you know my wife had that and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: it was after hours and it was useless. Like I mean,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: what's the point, like have have an agent to point
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: it or something.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't you just do that all digitally now, you know,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: do it digitally, cryptid, secure identification. I mean, we shouldn't
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: even have passports. It all should be digital. It's kind
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: of ridiculous that we still have paper of anything.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's uh, it's bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: And and the fact is when I answer the country
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: now the US, I never take on my passport and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: basically I go up to this machine takes a photo
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: of me and knows who I am and has all
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: my passport information. And and as I walk out, the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: agent says, you have anything to declare, and I say no,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: any I just go.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody looks at.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: My passport when I enter the United States and the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: global that's the global entry.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, and Zambia, they got stolen by a baboon. Seriously,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: story and we had to call the embassy of Zambia.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: Weren't even the capital. It was really grateful for those
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: in the super cel but they're not a fashion I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, and here's the thing. If you mean today, then
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: you probably do need embassies because today our government is
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: so involved in so many different things that and and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: face to face meetings probably matter quite a bit when
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: creating relationships. And you know it's hard to transfer those
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: suitcases of cash when you're on zoom. That you probably
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: do need all that staff and the embassy to do
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: all the paperwork and stuff that government does today, you know,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: trade deals and negotiations and and I don't know what
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: they do all the stuff that they do, but certainly
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: in a proper government, yeah, very little. You maybe have
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: a representative there to do I don't know. Katherine gets
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: in trouble in France and they put her in jail,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: and you want somebody from your government just to make
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: sure that you're being treated fairly based on the law
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: of the place and not arbitrarily, and and and they.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Step into to help with that.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't need massive staffs, you don't need a
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: huge budget, you don't need these big buildings. You know,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: you need the CIA to have some way to hang out, right,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: chief chief of station, you know, all the movies I've
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: watched in the CIA. But but but yeah, in a
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: in a limited government that does very little. Yeah, farm
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: policy becomes much simpler if you have if you add
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: unilateral free trade, zero tariffs, and yeah, there's very little.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, there wouldn't be in the partment of Commas.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I'm sure the partum of Commis has huge representatives in
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: every embassy out in the world and things like that.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: All of that would be gone, all of it would
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: be Yeah, you wouldn't need it.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks someone, Catherine.
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  Speaker 5: So mine questions the same as before. It's like a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: little silly, but like, do you have any advice on,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: like because like how to not let your parents' opinions
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: of you like hurt your feeling like besides just like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: not talking to them, because I do like even if
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: you said, like I go to a two hour dinner,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: they're gonna say rude things like just without Like, do
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: you have any like advice psychologically on how to just
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: like really emotionally distance yourself completely from like their feelings
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: and opinions because they always are judgmental and I don't
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: really care. But then I kind of like, I just
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: it's been it's been a very challenging relationship for me
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: because I feel like they don't live in reality, and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: so they're not able to If I'm able to say
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: something like, hey, you said this and it hurt my feelings,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: like any of my friends or anyone else I know,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: they'd say, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it that like.
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  Speaker 5: But my parents just aren't able to do that.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: So it's just like even a two.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: Hour dinner, it's like a very challenge even a one
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: hour do yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 1: So, so you need to figure out why it upsets
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you so much, right so, because it shouldn't. Right then,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: you've already said you don't you don't really like them,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Why why do you care what they think? And you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: need to really introspect about what is what is it?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: And I can imagine you growing up with parents like
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that that you know, you've got some psychological issues that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: are associated with them, and you've got to figure out
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: how to undo those and unwind those and get rid
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: of them. I mean, your attitude towards your parents should
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: be I mean, when it comes to this, and generally,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: attitude towards these things should be. You know, somebody, if
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: somebody uh says something negative about me. The question is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: is it true? Is it false? If it's false, then
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: it's their problem some mind. And if my parents think
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: badly of me, it's you know, it's sad for them. Uh.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: This is the other you know, it's it's you can't
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: let it impact you. It's meaningless, right, it doesn't reflect.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: It's not reality. It's like you're not looking in a mirror.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: It's not reality. It's just their opinion. They're not nice people,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: so their opinion shouldn't manage you. And and you can't
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: confront them, as you said, like your friends, you confront.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Then again you need to just you need to get
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: to the point where whatever they say doesn't matter. And
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: and indeed, I think when it doesn't matter to you,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: they will say less of it because one of the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: reasons they say it is to get a response from you.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: It's they can see that you're emotionally.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Shy.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: But it's like like if your parents are like, oh,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: you're on that shirt is ugly and I don't like
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: those glasses, and your wife is not who I would
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: have chosen, or just like.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: Little like constant.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, if my parents did that constantly, I would
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: cut them off. And I think they and I think
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: they know that.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the big thing. They have to know
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: that you're ready to cut would I would cut them
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: off and then they change.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: That's what I've done. Like I didn't talk to them
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: for two years, and then my grandma died and I
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: was like, ohy, I'm gonna try talking to them again.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: And then it's just it's like core to their personality.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if they're aware of it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: No, it could be that they do. They do this
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: with other people, just with you.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: Might do it with my sister, but they have so
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: much money that Matt my sister takes their money and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: so she puts up with it. And I don't take
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: money from them. Good, so I don't put up with that.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: But I'm trying to have a relationship. But it's just
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: these constant, just tiny comments like your hair is ugly, oh,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: I bet your car's not clean. Like it's just the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: most random but it's not fun and I don't enjoy them.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would minimize contact and if it gets really bad,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: just cut them off. But you've got to develop these
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: psychology where it doesn't it doesn't affect you.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: I feel like if your parents told me your shirt
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: was really ugly.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't care. I would just not kire.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that's why they don't say
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, because yeah, you know that they can
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: complain about whatever. It just doesn't it doesn't affect me.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: It's so what they think that.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: That's my goal psychologically, and you know this is what
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: therapist can actually help.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: With stuff like this.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm working on. I just appreciate
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: the advice, so thank you.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: One of the things that I've I've done it like
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: is I have difficult relatives too. I mean, my parents
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: were fine, but you know, stepmother there was a real
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: pain and stuff like that. And I just started taking
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: the approach of would I be friends with this person
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: if I had it, if it weren't, it wasn't related
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: ever exactly, and then I for the answer is no.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Then just you know, like me, like Kron said, Minimizer
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: cut off the contact and yeah, I'm not sure why
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: you're not taking the money. I say, okay, well if
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: I am going to put up with.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: It, because then they guilt me, like like they literally
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: said they sent me an email that said, like we
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: will pay you if you make a better relationship with us,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: and like they have a ton of money, and so
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: it's like really sad, and I said, like, I don't
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: want your money because I don't want a relationship like that.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: I don't think that's healthy.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: But I don't want your money. But then I still
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: which is actually when I've said I don't want your money,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: I haven't taken money. And they're very wealthy, but they'll
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: say things like we'll cut you out of the will
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: if you don't make a better Like they're just very
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: threatening with their money, and I've just said, like, then
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: cut me out of the will, but I'm not not
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: taking money. Has actually made the relationship better because I
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: feel like they don't they realize I can't walk away.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: I was being somewhat facetious, but it was kind of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: like if you are putting up with him.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: My sister, they bought her a house and she doesn't
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: work and they pay for everything. But then like she
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: dates who they say to date, and she goes to
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: church with them, and she's oh.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Good, Yeah, and I don't do that. You can't do that.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: You'd have to give up your life. Yeah, money's not
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: I don't do that. But I just I do catch
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: myself kind of thinking like, why are they like this?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: It's so disappointing, and then.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: I get kind of angry, and it's just like I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: want to detach emotionallymore.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got I mean, they are who they are
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: that you didn't make them this way. They are who
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: they are, you know. And they're not the only parents
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: like that. They're quite a few people like that, and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: they treat their kids this way, and it just it's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: a consequence of the kind of culture we live in
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: and the choices they've made, and you've just got to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: let them be in that sense and and focus on yourself.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I have a good life and I'm okay.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: It just still does hurt my feelings and I wish
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: it then yep, Yeah, anyway, thank you.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Sure, all right, let's see we have Vikram Rickham says,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I saw a clip of your show from three years
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: ago when India overtook China in terms of its population.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: You saw it as a sign of decline in China
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: and all a.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Signed for India provided got rid of red tape. What
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: is your valuation of the two countries today. I mean,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's still the same I think China is
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: this got economic problems and is the fact that its
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: population is shrinking to some extent makes those problems worse.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: It has fewer workers, it has fewer minds, a few entrepreneurs,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: and that's a challenge for China in terms of its
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: future economic growth. And it's it's becoming and it continues
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: to be authoritarian, which is problematic. Now India, it still
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: is heavily regulated and heavily controlled, so it still hasn't
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: done what I would recommend. India needs to become more capitalist.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: And my understanding is India is still quite corrupt and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: the current government is quite sectarian, and you know, I
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: don't know if racist is the right term, but sectarian
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: at least and the visive So India is still struggling,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: but you know, at least people are relatively free. You
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: can say what you want and you can vote, and
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: you know, those those are a better than alternatives if
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: they're not optimal. So India has the ability to reshape
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: itself and make itself significantly better. It doesn't look like
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: it's going to in any dramatic way. Again, because history
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: ultimately shaped by ideas, not by demography, but it has
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: all the potential. It has the people, it has good universities,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: it has and it has a and it has a
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: relatively free political system sadly, and it continues to grow economically,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: but sadly it's not going anywhere near what it could
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: because the government holds onto control and people want it
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: to hold on the control. It's not like the government's
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: doing it in spite of people. It's doing it because
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: this is what the majority keeps voting for.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: A lot of parallels with Canada. Obviously a different stages
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: of development, but the deep cultural like, despite everything that's
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: happening with the US and can I don't see fundamentally
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: Canada improving anytime soon. No, because the culture is just
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: get way too leftist, if you want to call it.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's true all over the world.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: So I think it's true.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: But I think India, you know, I mean, I'm not Indian,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: but of Indian origin, background, culture, whatever, I have some
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: familiarity and I think it's the same problem. It's just
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: it's deep seated there.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I deleted a message here by accident. What
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: did I do?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Real spack?
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I think I clicked on something and deleted your question accidentally.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: So if you could put it into the chat, into
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: the regular chat, just what you were asking, that would
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: make it. I'll answer it. I don't know what I did.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know I could do that, but it looks
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: like I did, all right, Clark thoughts on ISRAELI so
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: just destroying the statue of Jesus makes no sense sense.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Evangelical Christians are the only groups so supporting Israel. God
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and I hid real spec Oh sorry about that weird stuff,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, I mean there's a picture of a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: soldier destroying a cross with Jesus on it from a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: from a Christian from.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: A village of.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Lebanese Christians in southern Lebanon. Look, Israel has sadly a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: a certain portion of its population which are religious fanatics.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Jew Jewish religious fanatics.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: They are.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: They are crazy and and they think Christianity, for Christianity
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: is for them an enemy. They're typically Jewish religionists and
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: fanatical about it. They're bad people. They're not good people,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: very irrational. Yeah, and it's it's it's not only is
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: it true that Evangelical Christians are a group that still
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: supports Israel In the United states. The reality is that
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: the that the Christians in Lebanon, particularly in southern Lebanon,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: have been mostly allies of Israel over the last forty
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: to fifty years, and so to desecrate their I don't know,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: their religion is just it just makes no sense other
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: than the soldier was a religious fanatic who took it
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: upon himself to to do this, to make a point
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: of there, I guess the superiority of Judaism over over Christianity.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: But it's, you know, one religion over the other. That's
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: how you get violence, right, It's it's.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: So you're on. Actually, heir c Uk did a whole
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: segment of that, and I think I think one of
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: the things that they brought up, which I think is legitimate,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: is wait, do we have all the context of what
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: happened there? You know, I mean, what was the reason
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: the soldiers were there? I mean, you know, I presumably
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: there's an investigation. I mean, I think Israel is good
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: at doing that kind of stuff.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I'll investigate this, but you know, and they and they
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: sometimes are good at it, sometimes not so good at it.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: So you know, the current government has people in it
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: that would let these religious fanatics off the hook because
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: they themselves of religious fanatics. So I don't completely trust
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: the Israeli government right now about these kind of investigations.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: And certainly on the West Bank, some the violence of
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: settlers against the Palestinians has gone unpunished by the government
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: because these settlers affiliated with certain elements within the Israeli government.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm skeptical. But look, I don't know what the
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: context is. But you know, it's in it's in southern Lebanon.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: They are there's always being a presence of Lebanese Christians
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: in southern Lebanon, and so the church is there and stuff.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: And it looks like a cross taken from a church
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: or for somebody's home or something like that, and it
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: looks like he's destroying it.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe I can't imagine it was a weapon.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the context.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Would be to justify booby trapped or something.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe, but it's a very unlikely. Yeah, it's more
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: likely that this is a religious soldier who took the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: opportunity to express his views about Christianity. That the fundamentalists, uh,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the Jewish nationalists, fundamentalists in Israel despise the Christians,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: despise Christianity. They think they are truly the chosen people
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: in the superior to everybody else. So this completely fits
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: into the context of what I know about these people,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't shock me or surprise me. And and
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: I would assume the worst. And if I turned out
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: to be if it turns out I'm wrong, all acknowledge
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: that I'm wrong. But I'm not going to assume. I'm
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: not going to be benevolent here because I don't think
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: it justifies it.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what was disgusting to me is how
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: when it comes to Israel, how an action of a
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: one person or a very small group somehow just gets
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: translated every Israeli into yes.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: And also, I mean, here's the thing.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, take the settlers in the West Bank, which
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I think is more I mean, okay, see desegraded across.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's only so much I can get excited
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: about that. But these settlers are really beating up Palestinians
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: and and and really hooding them physically, and that is
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: that is wrong, and that is upsetting. But so the
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: world and a lot of people online. And I said
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: this the other day when somebody said in the comment
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: the world gets really upset about these settlers, and okay, yeah,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm upset about them too, But then they make them
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: all the equivalency between that and October seventh, and that's ridiculous,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: And that shows the anti Semitism at the back of it,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: because you can first condemn both, and you can also
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: realize that one is or is.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: A magnitude more evil than the right.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: It's the same as saying, this guy beat up somebody
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: in his neighborhood and there's a serial killer, and they're
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: equally evil. They're both bad, they're both evil, you could say,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: but not equally evil. Right, So that is what I
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: think upsets me. All right, let's see, but I think
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: we'll learn more for the investigation. It's it's gonna make
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: it's gonna make headlines because Israel makes headlines. Nadjavi Jagorhithm.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Rumors are starting to come out that Trump's in a circle,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: thinks he's become more and more deranged, but they keep
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: looking for ways to rationalize his behavior. Look, I don't
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: know if that's true. You know, here's the thing. The
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: media hates Trump, I think justifiably.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: I also hate Trump.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: But but you know, this is the kind of media
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: that that I don't know how objective they are about Trump, Right,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: So rumors, rumors about what's happening in the White House.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening in the White House, and
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what these people are thinking. I don't
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: think anybody in the White House is thinking of removing Trump.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: I don't you know.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: I think they're probably more focused on managing him and
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: controlling his temper.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: I think that's the that's the crux of it.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: I think they did a very good job of that
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: in the first Trump administration. This administration started out with
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: no checks and balances on Trump, and I think maybe
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: inside the White House, people like Susie and and maybe
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: some others who are still relatively speaking adults in the
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: room are trying to be checks on Trump. But you
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: have to be very cautious about rumors coming out of
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: the White House because the incentives of people to make
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: it look worse, to look better than it really is
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: a very high. Right, Jacob can't join today due to work.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: What percent of supporters join these chats? Very few as
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: a percentage. Any great restaurants in Rome Florence on Milan in.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: The May time frame.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: God, I there are, but I don't have my list
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: of restaurants here with me. There is a really really
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: good Chinese place in Florence that I loved, dumpling, a
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: modern dumpling place. There was spectacular. You wouldn't expect that
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: in Florence, but it was there. It's a little bit
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: outside the old city, but it was really good. If
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: you drop me an email us, I'll give you a
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: list of a few restaurants. I don't have any from Lan,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: but I have some for Flawns in Rome, so you're on.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't consider putting a list on your website of restaurants.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: I know, and I appreciate you don't want to do
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: a travel thing and all that, but just say these
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: are restaurants I've been too. Just you know, I could
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I don't mind doing that.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: I'd love to have that.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll do that. I'll put I'll put a list up.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: It just realizes it's it's it's not comprehensive because I
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: keep doing databases of restaurants and then the database company
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: that I'm using goes bust and I can't I can't
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: retrieve the information. Uh, so that keeps happening to me.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: It's having to me I think three times now and so.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: A databases very easy.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: But I just I'm trying to find something really simple.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Ideally it would be it would be organized around restaurants, right,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: somebody should create a simple way to keep track of
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: the restaurants you go to and du a ranking.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: It's a great app. No, there's a great app. It's
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: called let Me look it up. But you just basically
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: create a profile and then every and you can go
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: in and put in people's names and it tells you
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: all their favorite restaurants by It's a really cool app. Sorry,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: I'll think of it once.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: Aegad.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me know.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: I tried one that.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: Exactly that, Belly Belly.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: I tried Belly. I didn't like it. I can't remember why,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: but I didn't like it. It didn't let me you
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: rate the restaurants the way I want to rated them. Yeah,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: it was too orient towards the social aspect of community
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: and letting your friends know.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm not interested in that.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: I just want to keep track for my own purposes
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: of the restaurants I've gone to and what I thought
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: about them, and you'd think that you could integrate a
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: GPS into it so it could even identify the restaurants
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: you're in. I think Barey does some of that, but
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: and and stuff like that. So if somebody is out
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: there and actually I could probably get an AI to
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: write me that APPR, I could probably get AI to
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: create that app for me if I had the time.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: But just just just do a Google shape three columns.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: So so I'm using something called Collection Collections, which is
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: a database that is oriented towards collecting stuff and keeping
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: track of all your stuff. And I've created a restaurants
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: and have six seventy six restaurants in it. But it's
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: you know, I should have you know, hundreds of restaurants
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: if I could have imported all my past. You know,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: I want the name I want to I want to
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: address I I city, city, country, where you know there
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: is it doesn't have missed the stars? Is it from
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: any list that I remember? And then what I thought
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: about the food and what I thought about kind of
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: the service and no ambiance and stuff. Those are the
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: things I need.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: Simple. Well, if you, if you do put it up,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: please do let us know.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll talk to my my, my web guy. I've
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: got up there movies and books and things like that.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Recommendations.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I guess I could just add a column of restaurant recommendations.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: Robertson is just the name of the city, right, Yeah,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: we can, we can find it.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Robertsons, since it's the perfect date April twenty fifth,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: a reference to the charming film Miscongeniality. I have no
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: idea what all that means. My question is, describe what
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: is for you a perfect date?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: What is a perfect date? I don't know.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: A great meal, a great concert, and great sex. I
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: mean that combination, you know, I think? Does it right?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: Is that the date? He's talking about our date? Like
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: day day?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I mean, I don't have a
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: perfect date. I have no relationship with the calendar, so uh,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: September second, because that's a shrugg though, but I don't
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: really feel it my birthday okay, but you know, you know,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: July fourth, I like July fourth, but yeah, I don't,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: all right, and am If lots of people reject your message,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: including mom Donnie, what would Griffin be paying you to
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: do for them? If they hate you for moral support.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Lots of people reject your message, including mom. Donny. What
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: would Griffin be paying you? Oh, I see, this is
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: what's his name, the CEO of the owner of sid it.
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  Speaker 1: He'd be paying me a one to boast his own
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: self esteem, that is, to help him realize the productive
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: value that he actually produces and creates and uh and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: and and what that represents and and and what it is.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: So he'd be paying me for that. Secondly, he'd be
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: paying me for starting to put out into the culture
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  Speaker 1: better ideas so that in the future, you know, we'll
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: start shifting, right mm, Donnie's not going to be affected,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: but it of course not. So he's not paying me
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  Speaker 1: as a short term pr guy. He's paying me as
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: trying to make the culture better for his business in
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: the future. I mean, look at what Alex Epstein has done. Right,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: So fifteen years ago, when people first hired him to
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: come into their businesses and talk about, you know, the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: virtues of us off fuel, a lot of that was
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: primarily just the boaster of their own employees and to
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: boaster their own morale because the whole world thinks that
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: the devil and evil and he was coming there and saying, no,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: you're good guys. And then they paid him to tell
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: the world that they're good guys. And then he told
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: the world that they're good guys. And originally people make
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: fun of him and laughed at it, and you know,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously, and it canceled him and whatever.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: But the message kept getting out there, and he kept
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: delivering the message effectively, and he kept getting out there.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: And today the industry has a much much better profile
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: in the culture than it did fifteen years ago. And
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of that has to do with Alex.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Part of it is reality caught up, but part of
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: it is the work Alex did so but it takes time.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: It takes time.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Somebody needs to do that. For rich guys, somebody needs
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: to do that. For finance guys. Somebody needs to do
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: that for pretty much every industry. Finance is the obvious
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: one because it's one of the most demonized businesses in
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: the world. All Right, Michael, are people more sanguine today
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: about tax evasion as the irs is perceived as being
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: gutted by Trump? I just don't know. I don't know
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: if people or not.
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  Speaker 2: My guess is.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: People who tend to be more aggressive are probably more aggressive.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: People who are less aggressive probably just just doing it
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the way they always did. So some people all probably
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: taking advantage of the fuck that iors is being gutted.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: I think most people are not real spock. If the
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  Speaker 1: rich are taxed like in you York City, would removing
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: regulations from the billionaire's businesses be a compromise? If more
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: income is made it can be taxed, Well, it depends.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure what the context of the
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: compromise is. What are we trying to compromise, because look,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: I Ma'm Donnie doesn't want to reduce regulation. He wants
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: to increase regulation and increase taxes. And that's true of
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: everybody in the left, and for the most part, it's
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: not much you know, in the right, Republicans want the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: lower taxes and they rarely reduce regulations, so, I mean,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: except in certain areas.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure who's compromised with human for what purpose.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: The ultimate solution is to reduce regulations dramatically and then
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: over time to reduce taxes as well and stop the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: redistribution of wealth. That's the model and the right way
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: to do it. So I'm not sure who's compromising with
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: whom there's nobody to talk to on that side. If
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: they're raising taxes and billionaires, it's not like they're going
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: to reduce regulations on them. Michael, have you reached out
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: to Logan Paul in Puerto Rico to be on this podcast?
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I have not, Well, Destiny again, I haven't been destiny.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: I'll do probably in May when I get back from Austin.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: I've got some time, and I'll probably do it then.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Real stuck every week, Mom, Donnie has another department of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: this and that department, you know, some kind of department.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Sounds like a.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: Joke, and wasteed dollar dollars, isn't it.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: At Las Shrugged.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, most politicians when they get power, sound
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: like Atlas Shrugg.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: The villains of Adelas Shrugged.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Are very very accurate, right, I mean you you just
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: can you can really you can really see you can
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: really see it. You can see the villains in real life.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: So in that sense, yes, it's straight out of Atlas Shuck.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: You had some thing about the Stoics. I don't have
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: it captured the question about the Stoics, because it looks
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: like I deleted it by accident, but let's see maybe
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I can Yeah, no, I didn't do it. I thought
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I could bring it back, but that didn't do it.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it's doing now, right. So this
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: was that question about the stoics. It was something about
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: the similarity with your stoicism and objectivism. I don't think
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: there's much. I don't think there's much similarity between the two.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: And let's just do this once again. So I'm not
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: sure what you're actually getting at. And there was something
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: about are they both strict? I don't take stoicism as
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: being particular strict, and I don't know what you mean
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: by strict. I don't exactly what you mean by strict.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: So is objectivism strict? I guess there's a sense in
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: which it is. You know, morality is non negotiable. But
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. But
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: there's a very you know, Socism basically is about suppressing
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: your emotions. It's about detaching your emotions from the real world.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: It's about, you know, finding distance between you and those
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: emotions and not taking life too seriously, so not getting
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: upset and not getting sad, and not not getting but
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: not getting also too happy into too positive about things.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: It's about just just being level constantly. And you know,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: objectivism is not about that. Objectivism is is about living passionately.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: It's about feeling your emotions but not using them as
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: guides to actions. That is, uh, you know, and and
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: and and folding, embracing emotions and trying to get to
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: the place where your emotions and your thoughts are integrated
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: and they're not in conflict with one another. Uh. So
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: there's very little, very little common between objectivism and stoicism.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Uh Stocism is not geared towards your your happiness in
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: any kind of significant way. All right, let's if I'm learning, Katherine.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: If you guys have one last question, we'll do that
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: and then we'll call it a day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm learning.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'll keep them for next time. Okay, I know
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: you have a point to catch.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Katherine, Okay, I have a question.
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  Speaker 5: This is probably nothing you've ever dealt with, but like
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: I deal with a lot of like sexism in my job,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: where I feel like people like I graduated in the
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: top my class and I have like an engineering degree
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: in MBA, and I feel like just a lot of
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: people like cut me off and they minimize anything I contribute,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: or just like always getting asked out even though I'm
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: not single, or just but I just I don't know,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: do you have advice on like just like drowning out
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: the noise of sexism, because I feel like it does,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: especially like I know, I mean, I didn't like Kamala Harris,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: but I do feel like, like, I don't know, I
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: just think sexism is still like around.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me that it's still around.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, I do think it's still around.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you drowned it out, right,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully you have a boss that is not
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: and you have somebody within the company that you can
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: talk to. And you know, I would not tolerate it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I would try to if it's a vote,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I would speak up against it and and and tell
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: them to stop it, and and if it gets really bad,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I would try to switch jobs, right and and uh
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: and and but but it's.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: You know, you shouldn't be.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: There's absolutely no reason to be to be to tolerate
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: people treating you that way.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and sometimes it's very subtle. And I think right now,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: my clan. I'm working in the South, so it's different.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: Like in New York, I didn't really face very much
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: of that. Yeah, it's just like regional.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe it might be regional. I mean, you have to
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: be sensitive to different culture, so it could be that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: it's not sexism. It's just the way they are is
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: a little different, so you have to be aware of that.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it isn't sexist, but you just have
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: to you know, you know.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: People behave differently in different cultures. But yeah, I wouldn't
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: tolerate it. If if particularly if it's over it's if
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: it's subtle, then just you know, ignore it if you can.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: I would definitely if you have a sympathetic.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Boss, talk to your boss about it and see what
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: they would command. If there are other women around who
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: are experiencing the same thing, you might want to talk
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: to them.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: Okay, Like this is my personal therapy session today, could.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: I offer a little bit there too, I mean, not
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: the sexism part of my case, but a little bit
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: on the racism part. Like many years ago, I was
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: working for a consulting firm and I had to go
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: do a contract in Kentucky, and at that time, they
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: had never seen a brown person before, right, they had
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: no way to categorize me, and I definitely experienced some
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: of that, and I basically just said, you know what,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: I'm here to do a job. I did a good job,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: and you know what, in a month or two they
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: loved me, like you know, they gave you big going
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: away party, and like people that at the beginning you
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: could clearly say didn't know what to do with me,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: were like, hey, this guy is a good guy. And
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not minimizing the impact that it has.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: It is. It is hurtful, but to a certain extent,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: you know, I think just try to do the best
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: you can and as your ron said, you know, deal
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: with any overt stuff.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, I see Ryan has joined us
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: right for the ending. So Ryan, you get one question,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: and then I've got a I've got a super chat question,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: and then we're done. Yeah. Cool.
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to say I and wish you a happy.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Traveled, thank you, thank you.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: I had one question. Do you think there's a chance
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: that with Trump.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 7: Doing these seas fires that it's kind of just delaying
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 7: to get to allow our troops to mobilize and ships
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 7: to get over there and then he's planning on something
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 7: bigger or do you think he's like the seas.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Fires are they? I think he hopes that the Ranians
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: think that, because I think it's a lot of this
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: is to to posture to the Ranians and to try
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: to get them to compromise.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: I think ultimately wants a deal.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself, why is the planning so
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: lacking that they didn't have the assets in place? Why
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Why are they only moving them now? Why didn't they
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: move them at the beginning of the war. You know what,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: why didn't they predict that they would.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Close the straits of Homos? It was obviously they would.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: Uh. In either case, it's not it's not good planning.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: It's not This isn't the way to do it.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: You see in because you watch a lot of the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: news and channels that I don't see.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: Do you see a lot of movements over there, like
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 7: more troops, more ships or anything.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: Well, they definitely, I said this show. They are now
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: three aircraft carriers in the region. That is a lot,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: including the Ford, which I guess they fixed whatever was
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: destroyed with the fire and she's back in. We got
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: three aircraft carriers. There's still planes moving from Europe and
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: from from the US into position fuel fuelers, and they
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: are still.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: You know, moving equipment over there.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: So they're moving bombs and missiles and things like that
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: into the Middle East. So there's still movement of stuff.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: You you would expect that the Iran the Ranians look
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: at it, and they should be worried if they were rational.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure what other than intimidating the Ranians,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what Trump's incentives of. I really do
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, he wants a deal.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I think that he likes deals. That's that's what he
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: thrives on. And I think he's worried politically about the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: ramification of a bigger war. He's worried politically about putting
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: boots on the ground. Okay, sure, I'd say here's a
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: real Spock's question was does still it doesn't blend with objectivism?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: And are they both straight? So No, I don't think
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: stoutism at all blends with objectivism. I think.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: Objectivism is much richer and.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Has a much more positive view of your relationship with
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: your emotions and your relationship with which is reality in life.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: I think Stotism is a way to detach yourself from
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: reality and from your emotions and strict. I don't know
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: in what sense you mean stoicism being strict. Objectivism is
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: strict in terms of the virtues, but I don't know.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: It's not dogmatic, and I don't know in what sense.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know in what sense stoicism is strict, So
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: you'd have to clarify that, all right, Dalton says, do
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: you have any details about the Austin Einman conn in September?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: Who will be the speaker's topics be I've never gone
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: to one. No, I don't. I don't actually have. All
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: I know is I won't be there. It's in September,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: and September I'll be in Europe, so I won't be
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: able to trend. But there is there is an Ironman
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: conference in Austin, usually like Greg Salla, Mary and Ben
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Bear because they live in Austin, a part of the faculty.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure this year who exactly is going
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: to be. Once I have more information, I would definitely
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: let you know. Selfie subscriber, thank you for the fifty
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• 1:46:22
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• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: they're here, let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Honing, thank you, and Woland thank you. And then
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: we just got a fifty dollars question and Frank says,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: finally reading Freedman's Capitalism and Freedom and also right now
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: the Value of Money. I have a new copy in
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: the U. I have the only copy in the USA. Cool,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: very cool. So you have their only copy of grind Out.
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  Speaker 3: See.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: I have to let me know how good that is
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: and whether it's worth trying to find a copy of it.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Is it in English? Anyway? Thanks Frank, really appreciate it.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the support. Another question coming in, Okay, would you,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: as someone you know, be open to a semi professional
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: conversation call about economic regulations and geopolitics of a generalized
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: model of isolated island countries? Sure for the right price, right,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: so if you pay me, I'd be happy to do it.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: Write to me at Uran at youron brookshow dot com
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: and we can discuss it. But yes, all right, thank you, Vocan,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: and we'll call it a day because after one to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: the airport. Thank you guys, and I will see you guys.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm hoping to do a show tomorrow. I'll be
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: an Austinsis and now earlier. We'll see what time it's
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: going to be, but we'll do some shows next week.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Bye everybody, Thank thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: By me
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  Speaker 4: MHM