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Monday Mini: A Personal Reaction to Roe v Wade · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I Heart radio. And
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Speaker 1: so today, unfortunately, uh, we have to talk about abortion
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Speaker 1: and the recent overturning of a Roady Wade. It's not
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Speaker 1: unfortunate talk about abortion, but it's unfortunate that we have
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Speaker 1: to talk about it because this right and so today's
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Speaker 1: date is June two. It really, I mean, it's been
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Speaker 1: a real it's been a real week in a real
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Speaker 1: couple of years. And also thanks shout out to Christina
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Speaker 1: who puts up with us being like, look, we're I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: we're doing this last minute. We can about this, it's
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Speaker 1: not we can't not not talk about this. And christ
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Speaker 1: and A has been an amazing producer throughout with all
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Speaker 1: the ups and downs, with all the bad that we've
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Speaker 1: had to talk to and endure our feelings so often
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Speaker 1: without complaint. So thank you. You're a real one for sure. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And as of June, I'm sure everyone knows and there's
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Speaker 1: no surprise. We knew it was coming. The Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: decided to overturn Roe versus Wade, and there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of conversation that we have got to have. We will
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Speaker 1: continue to have and if you're upset that we'll continue
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Speaker 1: to talk about it. If you're upset that you have
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Speaker 1: figured out just now this last year, that we are
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Speaker 1: pro choice in every way and we think that women
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Speaker 1: have a right to their body and the autonomy of
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Speaker 1: their body, then you should have stopped listening to us
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Speaker 1: two years ago, to be honest, because if you're surprised
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Speaker 1: by this, sorry, I have noticed, Annie. I know we don't.
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Speaker 1: We're not We're not supposed to look and I'm not
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Speaker 1: reading them, but I've noticed that our reviews have gone
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Speaker 1: down a little bit because we've been very out as
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Speaker 1: of late. Um, we've been loud from the beginning from
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Speaker 1: all the elections since it's not been surprising. The host
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Speaker 1: before us have been very loud and adamant. So for
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Speaker 1: those who continue to be shocked that this is what
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Speaker 1: we do, so sad bye. That's how I feel about
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Speaker 1: right now. There is a lot of conversation about next steps,
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Speaker 1: what to do. We all got inundated with all of
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Speaker 1: the political fundraising, which made me want to throw my
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Speaker 1: phone up against the wall. Um, that's a whole different conversation,
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Speaker 1: and we'll come back to it, because I want to
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Speaker 1: come back to it. Um, we are in mourning for
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Speaker 1: the rights of a whole population that for fifty years
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Speaker 1: have been trying to push full equality and has still
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Speaker 1: have yet to reach there. Just a little bit. Again,
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Speaker 1: we're not surprised by the decision. We had our episode recently,
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Speaker 1: specifically about the late argument by Judge Alito, which is
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Speaker 1: still absurd. And I'm still confused because also we know
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Speaker 1: that several other recent decisions have overturned many things that
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Speaker 1: are completely shocking that our constitutional So I'm still confused
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Speaker 1: about that, including separation of church and state. Confused because
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Speaker 1: that's actually written in the original Constitution. So if we're
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Speaker 1: going to actually talk about the Constitution, why aren't we
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Speaker 1: keeping to that. Yeah, it's infuriating. Yeah, I think so
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Speaker 1: this is a We're kind of gonna go through our
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Speaker 1: own feelings and reactions to it. We're definitely going to
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Speaker 1: be talking about it in the future because right now
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that are uncertain. But we
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Speaker 1: did know it was coming, and I felt like that
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Speaker 1: was when I found out that day. It was one
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Speaker 1: of those things where I'm like, I knew this was
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Speaker 1: going to happen, and it hurt anyway, it hurt, hurt anyway. Um,
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Speaker 1: and I had people coming in to town to stay
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Speaker 1: with me that day, and uh, we just all talked
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Speaker 1: about it. They were all women, and one of them
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Speaker 1: is in nurse been on the show and was everyone
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Speaker 1: was so scared and so angry UM, and kept pointing
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Speaker 1: out the hypocrisy and we keep seeing it like the
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court keeps releasing these decisions, and I'm like, why, right,
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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? And I think that night
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Speaker 1: we watched a movie that was from the seventies and
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Speaker 1: I just had the thought of like, wow, at that
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Speaker 1: time there was Roby Wade and there's not anymore backtracking.
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Speaker 1: It's really like, well that doesn't exist anymore, and that
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Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. So wow, and yeah, I think when
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Speaker 1: I have to come back. The documentary that HBO has
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Speaker 1: apparently has like almost a hundred rating for from Rotten Tomatoes,
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Speaker 1: which is about the Jains, which has been mentioned before
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Speaker 1: part of our project. I have talked about it on
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Speaker 1: other episodes and it's quite funny because I'm like, as
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Speaker 1: we're all discovering it, we're talking about it. And it
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Speaker 1: was released and of course again it was a release
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Speaker 1: pre row versus way, which is actually how the Jain
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Speaker 1: Collective members who have been arrested would have been charged
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Speaker 1: up to a hundred and ten years in prison for
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Speaker 1: aiding in a betting abortion. That's a whole different conversation
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to have because there are so many
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Speaker 1: things happening with what we should do, how it should
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Speaker 1: be done. And I do want to come back to
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Speaker 1: another Monday. Many of dues and don't because I think
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of misinformation and miscommunication happening out there
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Speaker 1: that could be really dangerous, especially for our younger generation
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Speaker 1: who are seeking access and the older generation who don't
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Speaker 1: know how to provide. One of the big things, of course,
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Speaker 1: UH quit offering private options when it comes to abortions.
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Speaker 1: We do have that pill which we've talked about previously,
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Speaker 1: that is, say for abortion. Plan B is still out there.
6:03
Speaker 1: Apparently if you go to Costco you can get up
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Speaker 1: to two UH per visit and you don't have to
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Speaker 1: have a membership f y I. We have seen companies
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Speaker 1: come out saying that we will provide for that. Of course,
6:14
Speaker 1: the other side to that is we shouldn't have to
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Speaker 1: disclose that we need it as as a way of
6:18
Speaker 1: getting that treatment. But you know, I guess at least
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Speaker 1: it's something. Of course, those are the same companies that
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Speaker 1: are oftentimes donating to the anti abortion and anti choice people,
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Speaker 1: so that hypocritcy should be called out as well. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're looking at our own people when we say this,
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Speaker 1: because we haven't heard anything on our end, just saying
6:40
Speaker 1: talking about the fact Missouri has gone so so right
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Speaker 1: that even the people who made that law. I know
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Speaker 1: one of the congresswomen who made that law was like, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: I didn't intend it for this, and we're like, bet
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Speaker 1: you did this, and I said, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: delete it. I said it, and she did as she
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Speaker 1: was like kind of shocked. How I didn't need for
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Speaker 1: that to happen. There's also the conversation that a lot
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Speaker 1: of the doctors and healthcare providers are scared to know
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Speaker 1: what to do, and a lot of people should say
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Speaker 1: just break the law, right law, And I get it,
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Speaker 1: I get it, But there's a lot of conversation of like,
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Speaker 1: we don't have that choice, we don't have that understanding
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Speaker 1: of what that truly looks like, yes, yes, I would,
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Speaker 1: I would say that would be amazing but I also
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Speaker 1: understand the stipulation behind that. There's so much. There's so
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Speaker 1: much again kind of like we just said, had Row
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Speaker 1: versus Way not gone through, the women of the Jain
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Speaker 1: collective that were arrested could have faced up to a
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Speaker 1: hundred ten years in prison. And yeah, the penalties for
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Speaker 1: a lot of the states are more for those who
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Speaker 1: are having an abortion than let's say, the rape was
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Speaker 1: part of the narrative than the rapist if they're convicted
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Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just like it's
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Speaker 1: things that we talked about all the time on the
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Speaker 1: show that we know that we know to be true,
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Speaker 1: and it's still is like it's just for me, it
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Speaker 1: just feels like my stomach is in not my heart hurts,
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Speaker 1: and I just want to like scream at like this right,
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Speaker 1: this is injustice. But I know we're in the system
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Speaker 1: where women people who can get pregnant are undervalued, are
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Speaker 1: not our rights are not important, and this was an
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Speaker 1: outcome of that, And so we screaming at these people,
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Speaker 1: they're just going to be like whatever. I will say.
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Speaker 1: When I found out as I was reading what was
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Speaker 1: happening and the overturning, of course we've been waiting with
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Speaker 1: bated breath, especially as they are slowly overturning everything that
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Speaker 1: we've seen as of weight. I did have therapy that day.
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Speaker 1: M hm. It was a good day to have therapy
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Speaker 1: unless we really honest, trying to really hone in. There's
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Speaker 1: a couple of things I do want to add because
9:02
Speaker 1: I haven't even talked about how I feel, but one
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Speaker 1: of the things that I've seen trending on Twitter and
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Speaker 1: on social media, and it started with the conservatives saying
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Speaker 1: we will adopt your baby and having a picture of
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Speaker 1: a couple which are typically white people who are like, well,
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Speaker 1: take your baby, which again is really hypocritical, and like,
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Speaker 1: there's thousands of kids in the foster care system that
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Speaker 1: you give notions about and have literally strong to the
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Speaker 1: side or flung to the side because you don't care
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Speaker 1: about the foster care system. You don't care to disassemble
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Speaker 1: the foster care system, which is not healthy for these
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Speaker 1: kids or the trauma that they're going through, and you
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Speaker 1: don't care in funding you know able to actually keep
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Speaker 1: them at home because you're like welfare is bad whatever. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I know that's a generalization, but just in my own
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Speaker 1: facing as a worker of the foster care child care system.
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Speaker 1: This is what I've seen, uh, and this is what
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Speaker 1: I've witnessed, and I've been seen it within my own
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Speaker 1: people like it, meaning my family. Okay, how for I've
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Speaker 1: seen that the Left have come back in ridicule of
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Speaker 1: that like this, this you know, will adopt a baby
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Speaker 1: as an adopted child, not the effect that you think
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Speaker 1: is giving. I have not really called anyone out yet
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Speaker 1: because I have seen people that I've known do it
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Speaker 1: as well, thinking that we're being funny. I'm like, remember
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Speaker 1: how I said previously that adoption is not a solution
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Speaker 1: to abortion. We all get that. We all understood that.
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Speaker 1: Now doing this as a satire not getting the solution
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Speaker 1: you're doing. As well as the fact that the recent
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Speaker 1: overturning of Native Native American Native Indigenous laws that have
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Speaker 1: been there to protect uh, the individuality and the sanctity
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Speaker 1: of Native lands and Native communities are being slowly overturned,
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Speaker 1: including the Indian Child Welfare Act possibly up for also
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Speaker 1: being overturned. It's not as cute as you think. It's
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Speaker 1: not funny, and it has a whole other implication for
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Speaker 1: us who have been adopted or who have been in
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Speaker 1: the system or have worked the system. It's not good stop.
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Speaker 1: Can I please request that stop? As a person of color,
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Speaker 1: as a woman who has come on here often talking
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Speaker 1: about children and working for childcarriage, child welfare, this is
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Speaker 1: not a good thing. Abortion of whatever the reason is
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Speaker 1: for it, as a personal decision. A fetus doesn't have rights,
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Speaker 1: so this is not a fully formed person. I have
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Speaker 1: had many of conversations. I understand loss when it comes
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Speaker 1: to stillbirth miscarriages. People feel lost and that is something huge,
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Speaker 1: and I get that even with people who have had
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Speaker 1: abortions they feel lost as well, and that's on them. However,
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Speaker 1: trying to twist this into child murder is so wrong
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Speaker 1: and so damaging and so gaslighting that it makes me
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Speaker 1: want to vomit. Let's just be real, honest, like this
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Speaker 1: whole moment of what's happening, it's terrifying. It's arifying because
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Speaker 1: they are undoing the little rights that were already given
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Speaker 1: to people who can be pregnant, but for so long
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Speaker 1: and still people of color, Indigenous people, black people, especially
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Speaker 1: those who identify as women who have uterus as all
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Speaker 1: of those have been persecuted and have not had those
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Speaker 1: same rights at all the entire time Row has existed,
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Speaker 1: Roan versus Wade has existed and have been put in place,
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Speaker 1: they still have not had that right. So you are
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Speaker 1: even undermining even more and sending a death sentence. Not
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Speaker 1: only that, and also causing putting them in a point
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Speaker 1: of poverty that is going backwards. Because we know how
12:35
Speaker 1: much it costs to get any kind of effective health care.
12:38
Speaker 1: They took part of that away with High Amendment, which
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Speaker 1: is still I guess that it's not necessary anymore since
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Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade is taken off. I don't know. There
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Speaker 1: are so many things. There are so many things there
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Speaker 1: are I know we've talked about places in the world
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Speaker 1: that are dealing with similar things and with better outcomes
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Speaker 1: than what's happening here. And I have been heartened by
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Speaker 1: there are people who have been doing and are doing
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Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing work and are just pushing and pushing
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Speaker 1: and pishing, and I'm grateful for that. And there were
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Speaker 1: also a lot of protests in the wake of this,
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Speaker 1: and you went to rue right, I did, I did,
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Speaker 1: um I do want to put a caveat to that.
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Speaker 1: I did go to one. There was a moment of like, okay,
13:34
Speaker 1: we need to go. Let's do this. I'm ready. But
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Speaker 1: we have talked about several organizations on here that you
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Speaker 1: need to be very very suspicious of, and unfortunately, one
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Speaker 1: of the sponsors of that protest was one of the
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Speaker 1: ones that I have called out before, UM that go
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Speaker 1: in and take away funds from state or local organizations,
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Speaker 1: which is not great. So you need to look for that. UM.
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Speaker 1: Also use the term women in enslavement. Those are really
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Speaker 1: big red flags justin f y hi. UM. They actually
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Speaker 1: said it while I was there, and I was like, oh, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is happening. Okay, this is again one of those
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Speaker 1: like there has to be a do adopt because I
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Speaker 1: didn't realize how bad it was and I'm sitting there
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Speaker 1: going this is this is not good. That's probably not good, UM,
14:20
Speaker 1: because it's also typically it was said by a white woman,
14:24
Speaker 1: excluding again that of the trauma, excluding the trauma of
14:29
Speaker 1: black women, black people in general, and so we have
14:31
Speaker 1: to be really really cognizant of this. We have to
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Speaker 1: remember unlike the nineteen seventies, and it should have been
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Speaker 1: because that's when it started. UM. We have to be intersectional.
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Speaker 1: This has to be intersectional because what it comes down
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Speaker 1: to is we didn't believe and I say we that
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Speaker 1: the black women who said previously, if all of us
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Speaker 1: don't have rights, none of us will. And it's come
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Speaker 1: to this point. It has come to this point, and
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Speaker 1: that this until we do is gonna be dismantled to
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Speaker 1: this point and it has I have a lot of
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Speaker 1: thoughts obviously when it comes to intersexuality, especially with this movement,
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Speaker 1: because this movement was started in part with black creators
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Speaker 1: and black activists, and then they're pushed out. So we
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Speaker 1: have to remember without them, this is not gonna work,
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Speaker 1: and we really need to get to the point of understanding.
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Speaker 1: They are the ones who understand how to go about
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Speaker 1: this and how to get changed because they're the one
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Speaker 1: that's been fighting the hardest and the longest from jump yep, um,
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Speaker 1: so beware that's what I was saying. Yes, no, that's great,
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Speaker 1: it's the excellent point. And I know it's um like
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Speaker 1: I have friends who are in uh gay relationships, have
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Speaker 1: been married and they're already like it's sad, right, sad
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Speaker 1: right now. The level of fear in general, the level
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Speaker 1: of morning that we are in, it's real. This is
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Speaker 1: why we cried in and to all those who are like, oh,
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Speaker 1: get over it. It's just what can happen. Literally the
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Speaker 1: last week we've seen what could happen. I was supposed
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Speaker 1: to try to put a positive spin on the protest
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Speaker 1: and I went all negative, as I do, but it
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Speaker 1: was you're right. We came together, um and there was
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Speaker 1: a massive amount of us and there's more this weekend
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Speaker 1: who are actually led by black women. Come but make
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Speaker 1: sure you're supporting and not taking over. I love that
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Speaker 1: and I was going to try to go to that one,
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Speaker 1: but it was amazing to see. I did love us
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Speaker 1: coming together. It's also the green wave which happened in
16:31
Speaker 1: Argentina has obviously moved this way all over the world,
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Speaker 1: including the US. That's kind of what happened when we
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Speaker 1: were protesting on Friday, that many people came out in green,
16:42
Speaker 1: ready to go. They didn't acknowledge where the green came from,
16:44
Speaker 1: which I was a little upset by, but we do
16:46
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge that it was Argentinian wave movement, and uh,
16:52
Speaker 1: it was exciting to see. It was exciting to see
16:54
Speaker 1: the amount of people coming out, the amount of people
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Speaker 1: really cheering this on, really having this loud Converse station
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Speaker 1: all over the country it was happening. There's so many
17:03
Speaker 1: things that I hope that it does keep going. But
17:06
Speaker 1: we have to make this where it's forceful that the
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Speaker 1: action has taken place. We're looking at Argentina, and we're
17:13
Speaker 1: looking at Mexico and like Ireland to see how they
17:17
Speaker 1: have been able to push forward and hope that we
17:18
Speaker 1: can get back there again. I guess we're looking back
17:20
Speaker 1: into the nineteen seventies when it happened and hoping that
17:23
Speaker 1: we can get back to that place and understanding that
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Speaker 1: and dismantling the system that is not working, that has
17:28
Speaker 1: been set up to take away from what was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be democracy. It's not working. If it could be
17:36
Speaker 1: this easy to just go ahead and throw away what
17:38
Speaker 1: was supposed to be solidified so many years ago, through
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Speaker 1: all of this and then having nine people who are
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Speaker 1: not voted in to make decisions with impunity, without recourse,
17:54
Speaker 1: it feels it feels this is not democracy. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel right. Obviously, UM, there's a lot to be said
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Speaker 1: about what needs to happen. I am not a specialist.
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Speaker 1: I would love to have a law specialists come through
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Speaker 1: and talk to us what needs to happen, how this
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Speaker 1: can happen because there are so many things that be
18:09
Speaker 1: floated out and spoken out, but the technicality of it
18:13
Speaker 1: all is a little more difficult now today than it
18:16
Speaker 1: should be. But yeah, it was really good to see
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Speaker 1: the amount of people coming together and trying to chant
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Speaker 1: this through and really hope that that we can be heard.
18:26
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, uh and and and we'll keep doing
18:29
Speaker 1: it because that's the very little bit I know to
18:31
Speaker 1: do right now outside of you know, helping organizations. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it has been rewarding to see I don't know,
18:46
Speaker 1: like to commiserate with my friends and to see how
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Speaker 1: many people agree like it sucks that what we're talking
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Speaker 1: about is this terrible thing. Um, but it's comforting. And
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Speaker 1: I know, uh, we recently had an episode with Bridget
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Speaker 1: where we talked to out like the majority don't want
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Speaker 1: this overturned, and um, that's that's not nothing, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, we we are going to keep talking about this,
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