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Through Ritual & Song feat. Mira Ceti of Heilung [RHR S6, EP34] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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So without further ado, I'm very pleased and honored to welcome
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to my show for the first time. Mira Seti, vocalist, performer,
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artist, widely known as a member of High Lung.
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So welcome to the show Mira. Thank you for being here this
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week. You might have to unmute
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yourself. Yes, I was saying thank you so
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much for having me. There you go.
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All right, yes, and thank you for being here.
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It's great to see you. You are checking in today with
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us or joining us today from Jose Said Gay Paris.
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All right, you're in Paris, France.
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I'm from France. Yeah, it is.
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And. Is that?
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Is that your? Is that where you're from
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originally? Are you French?
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Yeah, I'm from Paris. I'm born in Paris and raised in
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Paris, but now I'm living in Burgundy.
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So actually I'm checking from Burgundy right now.
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Yeah. Very nice.
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A more quiet place. Yeah, Yeah.
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Less hectic I'm sure. Not as big like that as the big
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city type. Different energy than living in
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Paris. I mean, Paris was great.
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They also really appreciate the space here, the space we have,
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the quietness, the big skies. Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, I, it's funny you say Burgundy because whenever I
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hear that word, whether it's the color or the city or the wine,
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you know, when I was a child, I used to say certain words and I
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would put the emphasis on the wrong place.
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And burgundy was one of the words that I would mispronounce.
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So as a kid, instead of burgundy, I said burgundy.
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Yeah, but this would work. This would work actually.
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Yeah. Who got in France in French.
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And the the very funny story about it is like Burgundy is
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coming from the name of a tribe which was a bourgons.
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And they said to descend from a tribe that was in the north
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Denmark, in an island named Bonhomme.
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So this is a little story of, of this place that the first people
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that came here, not the first like the one you remember, were
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coming from this island in the north, North Denmark.
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Yeah. Oh wow, so I never knew that.
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And I love that too about a lot of places in Europe.
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You know, the the place names have history.
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You know, for instance, obviously, you know, France is
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the country and the people who that country was settled by, I
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guess they were the Franks. Yeah, exactly.
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Which were a tribe of Germanic people way, way, way, way back.
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Right. So you have you have the name
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France in the name of the tribe that settled that that area.
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So very, very cool, very interesting.
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I love the history of things like that.
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So again, it's very I'm honored to have you here on the show.
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Long time fan and supporter of you know, not just your, your
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activity and your presence in Hilung, but also your, your solo
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work, you know, the music and the performance that you share
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with the world outside of Hilung.
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So I'm excited to get to talk to you a bit about.
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That because yeah, you you made some little videos about some of
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my released and actually your analysis were really correct and
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very accurate. So it was really a pleasure to
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to be invited here. Great.
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Yeah, I think the first and thank you for saying that by the
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way, 'cause I think one of the first like reaction videos that
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I ever did was to when you when you when you put out Uriat.
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Right. That that that music video, the
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song is beautiful. I mean, I love just closing my
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eyes and picturing, you know, a setting or a space, but having
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the music put to a video and giving us that visual experience
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as well, I mean, it was captivating.
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I actually was talking to a friend of mine last night and I
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showed him because he had never seen the video.
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And I was like, oh, dude, you've got to, you know, see this.
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And he was, he was like, I really like that.
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You know, it was, you know, it's not his type of typical
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listening music, but he's like, that's really impressive.
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You know, lyrically, visually, you know, we don't understand
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the the words per SE, but that's the beautiful thing about the
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performance and the music is that it speaks to something that
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we do understand, whether we understand the the the spoken
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language or not. So.
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Yeah, I think this is something I really like trying to create.
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It's like the fact that you don't need to really understand
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the words to understand what it is about.
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It's like it's more an energy that is flowing and that is
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common to many different being on these planets.
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So this is like more a type of archetypal work, you know,
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archetype that that I think is a common language to to yeah, many
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different culture, right. So.
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And is uriat how, what? What language is that being
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spoken in or sung in? So the language is is in Uriat
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is Buryat, which is a tribe from South Siberia in the in the
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border of Mongolia. And they have a similar, let's
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say way of living. They are nomadic people and so
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they are moving with their animals and they both do throat
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singing. It's an important part of their
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musical expression. So yeah, so this is a song that
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come from this area. So it's a it's AI guess a a folk
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song from that region. It's a folk song that I found in
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the very old, like ethno, ethno musical documents on the on the
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library because I was doing, yeah, doing many, many different
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type of research. And then I had to find someone
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who was speaking this language, which is very hard to find in
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France. But by very good luck, I could
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find someone that because I just wanted to check that my way of
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pronouncing my pronunciation was correct, right?
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I don't want to, like, ruin the song or whatever.
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So I just checked that. And the person told me that it
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was like, actually decent Buriat.
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Yeah. So I was like, OK, good.
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So then I do all the work around it and released it.
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And then for the video, I choose not to represent the culture
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because what I'm doing is inspired from it's not like I'm
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not pretending to be someone else.
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That then who I am, right? So I'm not good yet, but I
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wanted to show what the music was evoking to me, like what was
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the energy, what was like, and to divide it with my own vision
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and imagination. I mean, I think you captured a
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beautiful setting from the landscape where it was filmed to
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everyone who participated in it. You know the the whole, the
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feeling of of the, the feminine divine of the earth.
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Yeah, this is really the idea. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, it was, it was you nailed it, as they say, nailed,
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nailed it, nailed it on the head.
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And so that's really cool. You know, I I've had the Natasha
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and Anatoly from Nitland, I believe if you know who Nitland
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are, Nitland. Yeah, yeah, I know this band.
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Yeah. Yeah, and they are, they are
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native to Siberia, you know, and they are very connected to the
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land and everything about their, their music is a direct
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reflection of the culture and, and stuff.
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And I, I, I really keyed in. I love what you said to earlier
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about, you know, you didn't want to misrepresent or pretend to be
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Buriat 'cause you're not, right. So it wasn't an appropriation.
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It was an appreciation. Yeah.
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And giving love and giving honor to the culture without, you
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know, mocking it or, or trying to be something that you're not.
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And I see that a lot in the world today that when it comes
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to Native spirituality or indigenous beliefs of an of an
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area, there's a lot of people who are doing it the right way,
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by appreciating it and by living in the spirit of it.
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And then there's these other people who are appropriating and
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trying to do things that are not appropriate for them to do.
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They're they're, they're just kind of stealing the, the
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culture a bit. So I love what you said about,
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you know, giving it your, giving it your love, giving it the
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honor that it deserves, but not trying or pretending to be
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something that you're not. Yeah, it's a very difficult
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subject and there is like no predefined answer on that.
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And I'm only trying to figure out what sounds aligned for me
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on regarding this topic because my, let's say, my fields of
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interest and research is really about like Indigenous,
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Indigenous people, right? But like with all them, the I
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don't know the travel I met or the people I met.
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Also with Highland, we like as you know, we, we met many
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different tribe across America to do land acknowledgement prior
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to our rituals because we were on their lands after meeting all
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these different people also in New Zealand, also in Australia,
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it's really connected me to my own indigenity, right.
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So like those culture are like have been destroyed in a way,
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but like a bit earlier, I would say than like Western culture,
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like Western, let's say more. How can I say that?
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Yeah, Indigenous in that sense, it's not very clear, but yeah.
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So to me, they are really like an inspiration.
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But we must never forget where we are coming from, right?
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It's very important to to yeah, as I said, not trying to be
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someone you're not, but rather really remembering where you are
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coming from, what is the history of your culture, right?
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Like, And there is many layer to it because like, yeah, lately we
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have been colonizer and this is very true, right?
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So, but in the in the in the meantime, what was there before?
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And this is something we also need to remember because like
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what I feel or what I would like is to really, yeah, reconnect to
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my roots and to like see myself as actually this is who I am.
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I am indigenous from France, right?
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I am indigenous from Burgundy, actually, because my, a big part
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of my family is coming from there for a generation, right?
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So this is this is the land of my ancestors.
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And the question is my work now is also to remember or to try to
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remember or to do research to remember.
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Like what? Like what?
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What were the way of living? What were the spirituality?
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What were the beliefs? What were the way to interact
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with the lands? What were the rituals, right?
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And I'm more interested in that than trying to learn ritual from
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other culture. Right and.
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I. Would I really like to learn
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about other culture? I really like to see how they do
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because it's so inspiring. And it's also very inspiring to
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do parallel, right? It's like, oh, you are doing
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like this, but we we are doing like that.
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And then you really have something which is going to end
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exchange, which is called reciprocity.
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But if I come empty, if I come without knowing who I am, my
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history, what my country is, what is happening is I'm a void.
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And then I'm going to swallow and identify to something that
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I'm not right. So it is to me very important
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to, to, to come with a certain knowledge, right, and a certain
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knowledge of yourself. So this is, this is my way of
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seeing the thing, but it's a very thin line.
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And I of course, because I'm extremely, extremely interested
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in different culture. It's like I'm very, it's like
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I'm passionate about discovering all the similarity and all the
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diversity and like, yeah, witnessing many different
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experiences and taking my inspiration from there.
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So of course, yeah, it's a very thin line because I'm also get
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nurtured in a way. I don't know if it's the correct
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way to say it, but yeah. Absolutely.
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By this exchange, right. But you.
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Yeah. So this is where I'm.
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I am in my reflection. But this is also a thing that is
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always moving, right? So it's a it's a very, very deep
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and important question. And I think, yeah, as long as
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you keep questioning it yourself, yeah, it might go
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somewhere. Yeah, Well, I think that's a a
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big part of people's lives today.
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They are. There's so much going on in the
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world that is scary or it's, you know, it's, it's stirring things
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up in people, feelings and emotions, very powerful feelings
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and emotions, you know, strong, sometimes dangerous even.
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And you know, people need people are, are looking for that
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connection. They're looking for something
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feel connected to, right, something that speaks to them.
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And I think for a lot of people, they're that's, that's, you
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know, spirituality is, is where that is.
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Where's that connection? And as you said, you know, if
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you're void of something, if you're empty of it and you are
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exposed to some culture or, or a way that is in tune with their
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ancestral beliefs, you know, the ways and then the teachings of
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their indigenousness, that could be something that, that those
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type of people who are void of it will absorb.
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You know, So it is, it's, it's a, you know, it, it takes work,
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it takes time, especially for, for folks who don't know much
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about their background. You know, I've talked to people
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who have very little knowledge of where they've come from, you
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know what I mean? Like where their family is from,
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because they've had this sort of a, a disconnect in the family
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dynamic. You know, there hasn't been that
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closeness. Maybe they've been fostered or
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adopted. And I wondered too, if you ever
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think like when we talk about our ancestors and our connection
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to places and people, one of the things that I loved about my
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culture that the Germanic peoples is, is how much and how
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important kinship meant. And kinship didn't always mean
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your blood. It meant the kind of connection
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of family that you receive through adoption and fostering.
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People would, you know, take on the the responsibility of
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raising a child that wasn't biologically theirs through
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fostership, through adoption, marriage.
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Of course, you know, that's another way to blend and to sort
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of connect. And yeah, I was just wondering
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if that if that has been part of kind of your approach with it
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is, is looking at the the broader scale, not just who I'm
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connected to blood wise or through DNA or anything, but
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like seeing the connection that we share with other means?
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I really like the idea of kinship.
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So because for me, it can also apply to, to like everything
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that surrounds you. So it can apply to, to trees, it
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can apply to water, it can apply to the spirit of the land.
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It can apply to, you know, it's like, so yeah, I think it's,
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it's not it, it, it, how can I say that?
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It's not only related to blood, as you said, right?
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It's like ancestry can also be like, I want to be in the
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lineage of like because of what I'm doing, I'm in a certain
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lineage, right? So this is also something very
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interesting. And I think like also, yeah,
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wider your view on like, like not only human but also non
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human, right? This is also a very way of being
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embed, embed in your territory, right?
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Because this is what it is at the end.
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Indigenous people are people who are from the land, meaning they
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are tied to the land, they are woven into the lands.
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And this is something which is like, it can, it's something
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that can come because you are born in this culture, right?
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And you have the look that maybe like you still have a certain
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structure which is like that coherent with like songs and
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rituals and symbols and stuff. But you can also be in a culture
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where this has completely disappeared, right?
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Something is like not there anymore.
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So I think this is something you can recreate somehow.
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I think this is something you can weave again, but this
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weaving is like, I think it's really linked to the concept of
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reciprocity, right? It's like not seeing what is
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around you as something you're going to use.
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It's the same with like when you are preaching a new culture, is
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it something you're going to use for your own profit?
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Is it something you're going to use because you are missing
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something or because you think this is going to bring you
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whatever? Or maybe you can make a specific
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type of magic with that. Or maybe you're going to make, I
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don't know, right. So or you can like, I don't
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know, maybe. Yeah, there is many ways of of,
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of using things, right? And it's the same.
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If you think about the tree, like this tree, am I going to
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use it because like I need to like make something with it,
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right? Or am I going to relate to it?
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And this is, this is this is a way you can like, like all the
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threats that are like kind of going through you and through
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every living being around you. Yeah.
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I think this is a way to strengthen the bonds.
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And because ultimately at the end, everything is about
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connection, right? Everything is about like
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relation, relationship, because this is this is how life sustain
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itself. And we are life.
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So. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's, it's like the reciprocity thing.
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It really, it hits me right in the heart, right.
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Like it is everything about my beliefs is, is about
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reciprocity. It I'm not taking more than what
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I'm giving. There's this, this constant
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exchange that's happening and the gift cycle, the gifting
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cycle. Germanic tribes especially
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understood this and I know that it's a common theme across many
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cultures like here in America and the indigenous native tribes
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of, of, of this continent, no matter which tribe it is, you
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know, whether it's the, you know, the Navajos or the, you
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know, the Iroquois or, or the Seneca or the Cherokee, right?
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It doesn't matter where they're from in country, geographically,
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they all have a core understanding of the gift and
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gifting and the the reciprocity that's required to maintain a
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relationship that is beneficial. You know, you don't take more
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than you what you give and you know, you tell you about, you
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know, the using the things you know, like trees, or so I always
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think of it. You know, trees provide for us
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in many ways. We wouldn't be alive without
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them literally, right? The oxygen that we breathe.
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And then we also see that they, some trees, you know, they
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provide us with fruit to eat and to be alive in.
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And then when the life of the tree expires, or if a storm
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takes it down, you know, the remains of that tree can provide
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for shelter or, or warmth through fire by, you know,
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burning wood and cooking food, you know, creating the heat and
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the, and the warmth and then the spirit of what fire can, can
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provide to us. You know, it's not just warmth,
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it can be light. It can be comfort, you know,
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sitting around a fire and having a, a conversation or singing
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songs or telling stories, you know, that, that, that creation
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of connectedness with others that the fire provides like
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these are all gifts from that, that very, that same tree that
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we owe our very lives to and the the relationship.
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And that's how I see the world. That's how I see a lot of things
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is this is we're in a relationship with them.
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You know, we're, we're caretakers of the land.
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We are part of the land. We are the land, You know, we
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are the universe. We are all these things.
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We're made-up of all these cosmic wonders.
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And because we are that it's, I saw something funny the other
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day. It was, you know, where, where,
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where, where the universe pretending to be human for a
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little while. And I thought that was kind of a
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funny way of putting it. And I go, yeah, sometimes I
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forget, you know, sometimes I get in like, what is this thing,
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you know, talking about my body? Like who put this here?
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Yeah. But it's, yeah, I get what
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you're saying. And it's a it's a it's great
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that that what you're doing with your music, with your, with your
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art is bringing that to life and showing that to the world in
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such a beautiful way. Love it.
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Thank you. So you have talking about some
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of like your art, I did want to ask like from what I understand
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you've, you've studied under an ethnomusicologist, Martina
26:32
Katella, is that correct? Yeah.
26:36
You've also spent time with the Lebanese singer and I forget I'm
26:40
not, I don't speak Lebanese or know the name pronunciation, but
26:43
is it it Sawyer? Marie Kayruse.
26:47
Yeah, it's sister Marie ke Rosia.
26:49
She's a, she's a sister, yeah. So Marie ke Rosia, Yeah.
26:53
So you've, you've spent time and you've learned or or studied
26:56
with them and you're really immersing yourself in, in vocals
27:00
and chants, you know, that are over 1500 years old probably in
27:03
some cases. So how have those experiences
27:08
shaped your approach to to voice and spiritual expression being
27:14
being exposed to some of these things that are that are so old?
27:17
Yeah, so first of all, the being with in the in the school of
27:25
Martina Cadela really gave me a very, very good technique, vocal
27:33
technique because she was really a master in this understanding
27:39
the different space where the voice will resonate, let's say
27:45
regarding to to your culture. So by learning vocal technique,
27:50
I, I could really understand that the way we sing is
27:56
extremely cultural, right? So I will not speak the same.
28:02
I'm sorry. I will not sing the same way if
28:05
I'm speaking this or that language or if I'm living on
28:08
this specific land, right. Because the voice where we use
28:12
our voice is shaped like I would, I would say mostly
28:15
traditionally, yeah. But it's shape, but our
28:18
surrounding. So this is one of the thing I
28:22
really, really enjoyed being there.
28:26
It's like really discovering all these vocal expression across
28:30
the world and like really linking to, to, to places in my
28:34
body, right? But also understanding that this
28:38
like the way we sing is never neutral, right?
28:41
The way we sing is because we are speaking a certain language
28:46
and because we have a certain way of using also the songs,
28:50
right? So different space.
28:52
So this was really life changing for me.
28:57
And also there I learn overall transmission.
29:01
So it's like a transmission which is not based on any
29:05
written notes, right? So it's, it's only about you
29:11
listen to a source and you learn from the, from listening, right?
29:19
And the, and the ethnomusicology science also learn me to be very
29:25
precise, right? So if I, if I'm singing a song
29:29
that is not in my language, I will really, really need to know
29:32
what it is about because I don't want to sing something that is
29:35
like not aligned with what I want to sing, first of all, and
29:39
also to know like what is the spirit of the song, right?
29:43
So it's very important. So this is something I, I
29:47
learned in that school and then I, I learned with like, so this
29:52
very old Eastern church tradition chance with us,
30:00
Somatica Rose, who was like actually a sister.
30:02
She was a nun. She was also very, very much a
30:05
rock star. But this is another topic,
30:08
right? But because she was really
30:11
travelling the world with her, with her voice, because she got
30:14
like one of the most beautiful voice I've ever heard in my
30:17
life. So this is how I went to these
30:21
songs is because I was really drawn to this very specific way
30:27
of singing, right? And this way of singing is
30:30
linked to a spirituality which is Christianity.
30:32
I'm not myself a Christian. I'm not baptized.
30:36
I it's not something, it's not how I identify.
30:42
But like many of us, like I would say the vast marriage of
30:47
European people, my ancestor were Christian.
30:51
So in order also to honour my ancestors and to honour their
30:55
beliefs, I also have a link to Christianity, but in a very,
31:04
let's say it's a selective way, right?
31:08
I'm selecting what I like and and I'm putting aside what I
31:13
don't like or I don't resonate with.
31:15
So how I yeah, so I'm, I'm investing on different figure
31:24
that I find. Yeah, like interesting.
31:30
So not trying to see Christianity as something only,
31:36
only as something very, let's say dominative.
31:43
I don't know if it's a word like, you know, that's really
31:45
trying to you, right. So this this was a case, right?
31:49
So we cannot deny the the weight of the church.
31:53
But there is also something that is very interesting to me in in,
31:57
in this, yeah. Spirituality is like, if I can
32:06
find maybe some clue about more ancient riots and stuff like
32:11
that, because sometime it has been woven together by the
32:17
people, because the folks, the folk didn't want to let go of
32:21
their own beliefs, old beliefs. So they will just like change
32:25
them, right? Adapt them for the for the
32:27
Christian world, Christian, whatever.
32:32
So yeah. So I think at some point you
32:39
also understand that like all these different currents are all
32:46
these are different currents, right?
32:48
All the religion, all the beliefs and stuff.
32:51
But I would say that maybe there is some states of being while
32:58
experiencing spirituality that are common to many, to different
33:05
culture, let's say not many, I don't know.
33:06
But like, yeah, two different culture.
33:09
Yeah, there's like there's, there's, there's this common
33:11
base layer, there's this common primal layer that all of these
33:16
other labels can draw and can find themselves going back to,
33:22
you know, so whatever was, you know, like I was reading
33:27
something the other day about, you know, we'll just use like a
33:35
the Thunder God archetype. OK, So the Germanic peoples, you
33:39
know, they had, they had donor, you know, they had orthunor,
33:41
right. And then with the Scandinavians,
33:43
they became Thor. But you go even back further
33:46
than that, you know, and you have like the, the, the, the,
33:50
the, you have Greek and Roman archetypes of, you know, Jupiter
33:54
and, and you know, Zeus and, and you know, and Mars, all the
34:00
various, you know, archetypes that exist.
34:04
And then you go, you know, further that into the Indo
34:06
European side of things, you know, and it's like, wow,
34:09
that's, you know, thousands upon thousands of years old and, and,
34:12
and even then it existed. So it all came from something
34:15
and all came from a, a, a root place.
34:18
And then as time goes on and as people evolve and languages
34:22
evolve and cultures are created through shared experiences,
34:25
'cause I think that's, you know, so much of what gets, you know,
34:30
we, we, we talk about our identity and our cultures.
34:33
It's like what was really even Native, you know, sure you're
34:37
from a certain area and your, and your ancestors have been
34:40
from that area, but you go back far enough, they weren't really
34:42
even from that area. They moved there at some point
34:44
too. They might be somewhere, you
34:47
know what I mean? So it's like we're, we're all
34:48
kind of, you know, yeah, I get that.
34:52
I, I understand where the native and the Indigenous belief and
34:55
all that comes from. We're all from somewhere else,
35:00
you know, if you get right back. There, Yeah.
35:02
I mean, everything is changing and there is a lot of motion,
35:05
right. But like I would say native is
35:08
something that developed together with the lens.
35:11
It's just something that, you know, it's like being native is
35:15
like, it's like being coherent with like the surrounding,
35:24
right? You're a part of that, yeah.
35:26
You're giving that the honor and the love that it deserves and,
35:31
yeah, recognizing it. Yeah.
35:33
Yeah, everything is moving all the time, this is for sure.
35:35
And we are coming from very different direction, but we also
35:40
along the way get some particularity, right?
35:46
And this is like really something when you really
35:49
observe even in a very small like say, like for instance, in
35:54
France, there were many different different region with
35:57
many different ways of living. So in France, for instance, it's
36:03
insane. You just like you just drive two
36:05
hours and the house are absolutely not the same, right?
36:09
Because the rock are not the same.
36:12
So what they have around us is not the same, right?
36:17
So to me, it's really like being a native is being connected to a
36:22
certain territory, right? Territory, yeah.
36:25
Region. Yeah, it's linked to a
36:27
territory. It's linked to a place on Earth,
36:29
right? Because all place on Earth are
36:32
not the same, right? Like you are like there is a
36:34
desert. There is like, I don't know,
36:37
mountains. Like everything is, is, is
36:41
particular color or particular, you know, like smell or
36:45
something, right. So it's, it's really about that.
36:47
It's really like. Yeah, I've talked about that too
36:52
with certain people, you know, and it's 'cause what's really
36:54
interesting is being in the, you know, the beliefs of, of, of
37:00
Germanic heathenry in the United States.
37:03
This country, this land is, you know, that that's not, this is
37:07
not the land that that belief came from.
37:09
It was brought over here obviously when people immigrated
37:13
some of those ways, those folk beliefs did come over here and
37:16
they continued the tradition. But it was, you know, coming
37:19
from the place of where it originated in Northern Europe
37:23
and continental Germany and, and places around near where you're,
37:26
where you're located, coming to the United States, coming to a
37:31
whole other continent across an ocean.
37:34
And then labeling the, the things that are, are, are, are
37:41
close to that culture. We'll just say, for instance, or
37:44
for example, right, the, the Germanic name for the spirits of
37:47
the land, right, the whites WIGHTS, you know, that's, that's
37:51
a cultural name for the, for them over here or for, you know,
37:54
for that over there. And then, you know, you come
37:55
over here and you call them whites over here.
37:58
And I always wondered, like, what does that?
37:59
Does that make sense for the, you know, the, the, the spirit
38:02
of this land is what the natives of this land call them.
38:06
They have a name already. Why are we giving them a
38:08
different name that is indigenous to the land that it
38:11
comes from? And I was, you know, I've I've
38:14
talked to people that are here, you know, that are heathen over
38:16
here in in North America, and a lot of them are becoming more in
38:22
tune with the, you know, the the, the local indigenous ways
38:29
of doing things Again, not to appropriate to appreciate.
38:32
Then it's. So it's starting to to be also a
38:35
syncretism, right? Yes, yes, yeah.
38:40
Yep. Because it is.
38:42
It does. No matter where you go, it's
38:44
you. Know, yeah, we also think our
38:48
yeah, we are mixing right. But yeah, I think the question
38:52
is always like, or the question or the answer I'd say is always
38:59
from the inside, right, From the individual or for the position
39:03
of, you know, positioning of yourself, like how you are doing
39:07
things. Yeah.
39:08
It's like, yeah, if you are on a specific land and there is
39:11
already names for spirit here, yeah, maybe then it's like, good
39:16
to call them by the name. And if you travel to a place
39:22
where it like, you know, but maybe for yourself, because it's
39:25
more easy, maybe you can also picture the thing your own
39:28
culture brings you somehow. It can also be a thing, right.
39:31
But like, yeah, this is a very, very big question.
39:34
I think it's a very big question.
39:39
Yeah, I have. Absolutely sorry, go ahead.
39:46
No, I say it was like, I like how, what did you say?
39:48
I mean, I say, I was saying I like how people, how, how we,
39:50
we, we come to this, this question or this thought and,
39:54
and our answers are you say, you know, they're, they're inside,
39:57
they're within how you approach this, you know, when you, when
40:00
you approach it with a, with a pure and genuine desire to
40:04
connect. That's a, that's a universal
40:07
language. It doesn't matter what you call
40:09
anything. It's it's the universal language
40:11
of spirit of, of, of, of where we are and of what we come from.
40:18
Yeah, yeah. But I would really add to that,
40:20
that is it's a double movement. It's a movement of going towards
40:24
something and trying to understand and to, you know,
40:27
adopt something, but also a movement of rootedness.
40:31
Let's say. I don't know if it's like, but
40:33
inside yourself, which mean you need to know about not per SE
40:39
about your family because you don't know it.
40:41
It's not that, but like knowing you like in the sense maybe
40:45
some, maybe it's not possible, but if it's possible to really
40:51
like, you know, like, yeah, there is a part which is you and
40:55
there is also like when you you're going towards someone,
40:58
you are not completely abandoning yourself, right?
41:03
It's, it's a double movement, you know, it's like.
41:07
Yeah, I heard somebody say one time that like when it comes to
41:10
connecting with our ancestors and, and, and the struggle that
41:17
some people find themselves in when doing so because they're
41:20
like, well, I don't know much, if anything about my ancestors.
41:24
I don't know who to connect to. I I, I saw somewhere where it
41:28
was said, you know, your ancestors know you, you don't
41:34
have to know them. They know you when you approach
41:38
that, they will find you will find them.
41:41
You know what I mean? They will, they will come to you
41:43
because they want to, to connect with you.
41:45
They want to be in your life. They want to stay connected in
41:49
that way. So when you when you approach
41:51
them, even if you don't know them, they know you, they know
41:54
us. This is a beautiful way of
41:57
seeing of seeing it. So yeah.
42:00
Yeah, I thought that was beautiful and it, and it kind of
42:03
puts people's hearts at ease, you know, 'cause it can be
42:05
intimidating, especially if you've never been brought up to
42:08
think this way. You know, it's adopting a whole
42:10
new worldview. It's deconstructing things that
42:12
you were maybe raised in or brought up to believe in, and
42:15
now you're finding something more close, more genuine, more
42:18
pure. And so navigating that space can
42:20
be challenging for people. So that really was a beautiful
42:24
way I thought of like, hey, don't stress it, just be
42:28
genuine. Yeah, just they're there.
42:30
Yeah. It's also, it's also about like
42:34
welcoming in a sense. It's like if you want to
42:38
interact with your ancestors, like knowing that they are dead,
42:41
I mean, they are on the other side, right.
42:43
So it's like, it's really, it's, it's a lot about like being
42:49
receptive rather than, I would say, trying to, you know, do
42:58
something, maybe, maybe there is stuff to do.
43:01
Obviously you can, there is many, many things you can do,
43:03
right? But like, as you said, it's also
43:05
something sometime you don't know, it can be very
43:08
intimidating, especially with with our culture, we have been
43:11
completely like the ancestor, ancestor cult is not really,
43:15
really there, right? It's like just disappear a bit.
43:18
So we really need to find all ways to reconnect with those
43:22
practices, right? And it it comes a lot with
43:25
listening. I would say listening very, very
43:27
tiny. Yes, yeah, because we tend to be
43:31
very noisy nowadays. You know, all this external
43:36
noise. It's hard to listen when it's
43:38
that noisy. Yeah.
43:43
But I did want to ask you a little bit if we could kind of
43:47
shift, which I love these conversations.
43:49
I mean, like I said, it's these are the types of things that I
43:52
can really sit down and talk forever about.
43:55
So it's great getting to to hear your side of it and your
43:58
approach and sharing what you're sharing.
44:00
Thank you again for all that. But I was curious, you know, I
44:05
believe you've been working with high lung since 2019.
44:10
Is that is that correct? Yeah, that's correct.
44:13
Can you tell us a bit about what drew you to them and and how
44:17
that path unfolded? Love to know a little bit of
44:21
your background with that. So actually when the mid cash
44:26
plot video came, it was not mid cash plot.
44:29
It was sorry, Castlefest video came out in 2017.
44:33
So I looked at the video and I was completely like like shocked
44:41
I was because I really felt something.
44:45
I was like, wow, it's insane that some people are doing that,
44:48
because this is exactly what I would like dream to do somehow,
44:54
right, because like they were so on spot, like it was really like
44:58
wow, It was like everything is just like so genuine in a way,
45:04
so real, like you don't see them pretending whatever.
45:08
They're just doing something just completely, completely
45:12
magical, completely beautiful, completely powerful.
45:16
Like there were so many thing, right?
45:18
So I was or with the singer at the time, but I was like, yeah,
45:23
I was starting my, my, let's say my career somehow, right?
45:31
So I, it was a very big inspiration for me.
45:33
I was like, wow. It's crazy because like those
45:35
people are doing what I would dream to do in a few years,
45:38
right? So it was really like, wow.
45:42
So I start following them on the on Facebook and a few years
45:46
later, so it was 2019, I think 02018.
45:51
It was 2018. Yeah.
45:54
Anyway, they posted the and you know, like audition post.
46:02
Yeah. Then so, so I apply for for to
46:07
be a warrior. So it was like, yeah, it was an
46:10
addition to be a warrior for the tour, for the full tour 2019.
46:17
So this is what I, I did. I, I was selected to be a
46:23
warrior. And then from Warrior I became
46:27
singer because they were looking for a singer, a female singer at
46:33
that time. And I really connected very,
46:36
very much with the the whole family, let's say.
46:41
It was a very beautiful meeting and they welcomed me.
46:47
It's yeah, absolutely. What is it like right now for
46:50
you to be where you are with with Highlung?
46:54
You know, you guys, you just ended a, an amazing tour.
47:02
I want to say tour, but it's been, you know, it's been years.
47:06
It's been. A long time you guys have.
47:08
Yeah, we toured the Nonstop for three years since 2020.
47:13
So like, what is it like for you now to think about where you
47:17
started, right? Did you have any idea that
47:19
that's what it was going to entail for you when you started
47:23
with them? You know, did you have any idea
47:25
that it was going to be a 5-6 year long?
47:28
No. Kind of.
47:31
No, I didn't knew. I I just jumped.
47:33
I just jumped, jumped on the boat and I just like, this was
47:36
it. I, I was, I was not expecting
47:40
anything. I was not like, I was just like
47:44
leaving it somehow. And I think this was a case for
47:48
many of us. We just leave the adventure,
47:50
right? It was, it was just like, yeah,
47:52
we just jump, jump on board. Yeah, and you've done a great
47:58
job, everybody. I mean, just to, to, to see the
48:00
journey, to be a part of it. You know, I, I know several
48:03
people who have gone to probably dozens of high lung rituals.
48:09
I've only attended 1 and it was in, it was back in 2023, you all
48:14
were doing a, a North America tour and I got to see you all at
48:18
the Huntsville, AL venue. And I was like, I was, you know,
48:25
walking into that theater or that, or venue as soon as I
48:32
walked in to the space, you know, and you heard the, the,
48:39
the birds and then everything chirping, right.
48:41
And you smell the, the, the, the smell of the incense and
48:44
everything. It was like it was, it was
48:46
walking into a ritual space. And I've had heard so much about
48:51
that, that, you know, these are rituals and I'd seen the videos
48:55
online and I got, it's beautiful.
48:57
It's amazing what they're doing. But to feel it in person, you
49:01
know, I, I, I, I got it now. So because, you know, fans,
49:06
followers, you know, supporters of Highland, they, they've
49:09
always talked about the, the physical and the emotional
49:12
transformation after a ritual, after seeing Highland live.
49:18
I could definitely attest to that.
49:20
You know, I knew what it meant from hearing it from others, but
49:25
I was wanting to ask you like, what do you feel your presence
49:29
in Hilung has contributed to the ceremonial aspect of the
49:33
performance, right? Are there moments either before
49:37
ritual starts or after or during that really kind of stay with
49:42
you, that you carry with you from from performance to ritual
49:46
to ritual to the next to the next?
49:48
I don't know what's my character is bringing because I'm just
49:52
bringing my own energy. I'm just bringing me, right?
49:55
So this is like, I cannot tell, right?
49:59
It's just like it's just I bring me.
50:03
I bring me with all my love and connection to the rest of the,
50:11
let's say the tribe rights and I bring, I think what I bring is
50:18
an energy, which is obviously feminine because I'm a woman,
50:21
right? So I think obviously I'm
50:23
bringing feminine energy, right? I think it's like, but, but I'm
50:29
I'm really unfiltered and I'm not trying to be pretty or I'm
50:33
not trying to, you know, I'm not here to be demure.
50:39
I'm not here to be soft. I'm not here to, you know, be
50:42
like they like it's very female character, right together with
50:49
my bandmate. I think we really like I think
50:52
on body, this is this feminine power, which is like kind of I
50:58
would say, yeah, I'm not politics somehow, right, right,
51:08
right. And.
51:11
Well, I think it's a great compliment to the overall, which
51:14
is. Also contrasting with the energy
51:17
of Maria. Sorry, yeah, I was, I was saying
51:21
like, so this energy, this energy is like really like,
51:24
because Maria is like obviously like she's, she's like, you
51:27
know, she's a queen, she's a white queen, right?
51:30
So she's bringing this very beautiful, solemn, but also
51:34
soft, but also powerful, extremely like full of light
51:39
energy, right? Like, so she's like, yeah,
51:42
she's, she's, she's bringing this like, yeah, this is very
51:49
pure energy, right? Like this very like, yeah, as
51:56
her character is right. And we have more freedom in that
52:00
sense that we can be, we can express difference, other type
52:06
of energy. Yeah, well, what I think is
52:09
beautiful is, is seeing the performance live and, and seeing
52:12
the ritual unfold before our eyes in the live setting.
52:17
There's so much to, to witness, you know, to from, I don't know,
52:21
from, like from Christopher and, and Kai to Maria to Nicholas
52:25
and, and Jacob and you and Anika and, and everybody is like who's
52:31
doing what and, and, but it's, it's not chaotic, it's cohesive.
52:34
Everybody role, everybody's place is complementing one
52:40
another and it's weaving together in this beautiful
52:43
theatrical, you know, weaving of myth and, and, and that's what I
52:49
love, you know, the ritual theatre.
52:53
So many people have attended real, like, you know, when we go
52:56
to ritual ceremonies in our spirituality, there's this,
53:03
there's a bit of that to it, you know, making and, and going to
53:06
the space, realizing that we are stepping outside of our normal
53:11
profane space. We are entering sacred space.
53:15
Yeah. You know, and, and, and making
53:18
it a bit theatrical puts us in that mindset of I'm no longer in
53:23
the profane, you know, I'm in sacred space and time and things
53:27
are happening outside of the normal thing.
53:30
And that's a lot of what is, at least for me personally, is what
53:32
I can say was like, you know, you lost.
53:35
I lost track of time, you know, watching this unfold before.
53:39
Me, yeah, sometime as well. I'm feeling like I'm a part of
53:42
it, yeah. Yeah, sometimes.
53:44
I wonder that's so much. Yeah, sorry.
53:48
Yeah. I wonder if that's so much of
53:50
what helps with being able to endure A5 to six year long run
53:57
with this. You know what I mean?
53:58
Like it's, I don't know of really many other performers,
54:04
bands, musicians, etcetera who go on such a, a long tour run,
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you know what I mean? Without any breaks.
54:13
Usually there's seasons, you know, like, oh, we'll, we'll
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take a break, we'll write some music, we'll go in the studio
54:18
and then we'll prepare for, you know, a three month long tour
54:21
run or a six month long tour run or whatever the case may be.
54:24
And you'll come back and you'll take a break and then do it all
54:26
over again, right? That wasn't the case for you
54:28
guys. It was.
54:29
It was hit the ground running. Yeah, Actually the thing that
54:33
like we had, we were like in this pandemic thing for two
54:39
years, so from 2019 to 2022. So like COVID hit in 2020,
54:46
right? So we had a two year of
54:48
basically nothing. And afterwards we had this like
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3 years touring non-stop. That was very, very beautiful.
54:58
And this is and this is now a break for a year and a half
55:03
plus. We don't know exactly.
55:05
And this is to create a new album, right?
55:08
So actually, yeah, it's it's just like, yeah, there were this
55:12
moment of pandemic, which is like put everything in the stop
55:15
as we know. But yeah, I.
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Don't know, I, I, I think I can speak for everybody who hears
55:22
this episode or or watches this, right?
55:25
Like to know that there's, you know, everything that you've all
55:31
done with the touring, with the work, with the, with the ritual
55:36
and sharing it with the world. To know that there's something
55:41
else coming. But for in the, in this time, in
55:44
in this, in this moment of waiting, we're still, you know,
55:49
that that fire is still within us.
55:50
You know, like you, you've given us all so many wonderful gifts
55:54
through the performance, through the ritual.
55:57
You deserve the rest. And now let us keep it going.
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Kind of a thing. I don't know, I really like.
56:05
It's very beautiful. We'll we'll keep the fire lit
56:09
for you. You know, we'll we'll go rest
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now kind of a thing. You know you've you've.
56:13
Got the time? So really quick, I know we're
56:16
getting close to an hour here and I don't want to take up much
56:19
more of your time, but I did just want to touch on something
56:23
a bit outside of high lung and it and it was your more of your,
56:28
you know, solo expression, creative visions.
56:33
There's AI found it back. I think it was like 2014.
56:36
You had an album a a solo project through the Galaxy kind
56:42
of presents that like ambient, atmospheric soundscapes, kind of
56:46
feels like a cosmic journey, you know, introspective.
56:50
And so how has your musical style evolved since then,
56:56
especially through later works like non Carmen or or other
56:59
experimental vocal projects? OK, so first I think because
57:05
like Mira City is a name which is like there is other artists
57:09
wearing it. So it might be that it's it.
57:13
Wasn't even you. Yeah, because like, yeah, it's
57:19
all right. Because like, yeah, we don't
57:22
like, unfortunately it's like a name that is worn by many
57:25
people. This is my, my name is my name.
57:29
But the city is like, so the double is like, yeah, it's used
57:34
by different people, right? So because me, I've always,
57:38
always worked with voice. Voice is my complete addiction.
57:49
So yeah, it's really like, it's really all about it.
57:53
It has always been all about voices.
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But if I could answer your question, I would say that first
57:58
my voice was really raw. It was just a voice with
58:01
harmonies. And then I added all this like
58:05
texture, like because I started to work with Nick, which is the
58:10
producer I'm working with, and we create all the music together
58:14
and he's really adding this kind of experimental vibe, like
58:18
experimental sounds and stuff and etheric like keys and stuff
58:24
like that. So it's really something I
58:26
think, yeah. So the evolution of my style, I
58:29
would say it's like from very pure voices with nothing around
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to to like the prediction I'm releasing nowadays.
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I hear ya. Yeah, it's been a beautiful.
58:42
Again, my apologies for for. It's alright.
58:45
That was that. That should have been an obvious
58:47
catch that had really done more in depth.
58:50
So I apologize for that. But I do understand what you're
58:53
saying. You know, like how you know, you
58:54
start off with a certain way and and your voice is your like,
58:59
that's your instrument, I guess, you know, and and crafting,
59:02
crafting that instrument be getting better at it.
59:04
Like things are going to change and evolve.
59:07
I think everybody though, who who has listened to your stuff,
59:11
whether it's been with high lung or, you know, your solo work, I
59:15
would say that almost everybody hearing it would say that, you
59:17
know, this, your music evokes long buried emotions, right?
59:22
Things that have been deep within us, maybe that we've
59:24
never given space to and that it kind of awakens our connection
59:31
to these things. You know, it goes back to what
59:34
we were talking about before, how you know, music in this
59:37
universal language, right feelings.
59:40
It doesn't matter what the lyrics are or the language that
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it's spoken in the sound, the the spirit of it is, is a
59:46
universal language. So I was just curious, like do
59:49
you ever think about what makes your voice, your voice
59:52
specifically, whether it's working through, you know, your
59:56
solo Mira Seti music or in high lung, right?
1:00:00
What makes your voice so viscerally affected or affecting
1:00:04
to people? Like why?
1:00:05
Why do you think that that people are saying these things
1:00:07
about it? Like, have you ever thought
1:00:09
about that? I.
1:00:11
Really don't know because no, I never questioned myself about
1:00:15
it. The only thing I'm questioning
1:00:17
myself is like like, do I really feel my own voice?
1:00:21
Like in the sense like does it vibrate the way I want it to
1:00:24
vibrate, right? Like it's like, so it's OK.
1:00:28
So one of my teachers, she was telling me if you don't feel
1:00:31
anything, the audience will not feel anything either.
1:00:35
Because what you are doing when you are singing is you are
1:00:38
entering a space, right? It's like you are entering a
1:00:40
space of vibration where first of all, it's pleasant for your
1:00:44
body, right? And it's pleasant for also for
1:00:47
all your insight and like, because you can express thing
1:00:50
and you like so. So this is like the question I'm
1:00:55
always asking myself is like, is it is my instrument working the
1:00:59
way I want it to work? And is it like good, like let's
1:01:05
say, yeah, it's like, is it healthy?
1:01:07
Also, I have to think a lot about my vocal health and stuff
1:01:10
like that. So it's really about, it's a
1:01:11
work about taking care of my instrument and it's a work about
1:01:14
making, making it like the best possible, right?
1:01:18
Because this is what I want to off to offer to, to, to the
1:01:21
world. So yeah.
1:01:23
So I think this is like really my research is to try to, to,
1:01:28
to, it's not trying actually, it's feeling, it's like feeling
1:01:32
the vibration, right? Feeling the vibration, feeling
1:01:35
the song, feeling the emotion, feeling the emotion of the song
1:01:39
and expressing it. And then I really don't know
1:01:42
afterwards what it, what it does to people.
1:01:45
It's not really after, after that.
1:01:48
I'm not questioning that much about it.
1:01:52
Well, I hope that that gives you at least because I'm, as I said,
1:01:54
I know I, I can comfortably speak on behalf of a lot of
1:01:57
people that this is accurate. I mean, this is true.
1:02:02
It's if I'm feeling it, if I'm feeling that way, then I'm sure
1:02:06
others are as well. So I hope that that reaches you
1:02:10
and, and gives you some sense of peace or accomplishment.
1:02:15
You know what I mean? What you're doing is, is, is
1:02:16
affecting positively a lot of people.
1:02:20
Thank you so much. This is very, very nice to hear,
1:02:22
obviously, because once you release your songs, once you
1:02:26
release your your voice outside, then it's always nice to to have
1:02:31
a nickel. It's like, oh, OK, nice.
1:02:35
Right. Yeah, Yeah, that affirmation.
1:02:37
Yeah, for sure. I do want to ask one last thing
1:02:41
before we wrap up is can you tell us anything that the that,
1:02:45
that we could look forward to from you in the coming year?
1:02:49
We'll say maybe or near future, whether it's solo releases,
1:02:53
collaborations, projects, tours, creative expressions, anything
1:02:57
that we could look forward to from you.
1:02:59
So yeah, so this year I'm going to focus a lot more on my
1:03:02
project, on my solo project. So I will release a single the
1:03:10
20th of September. So it's very soon actually.
1:03:15
So it's next week, something like that.
1:03:18
Then I'm going to release 2 videos.
1:03:24
It's not announced yet, but you can expect the like not too
1:03:30
late. I mean in 20252026.
1:03:35
Yeah, yeah. I will release some some videos.
1:03:40
Maybe another reaction video coming?
1:03:43
Yeah, maybe, Maybe. Lastly, lastly, there was
1:03:50
something that you might remember a couple years ago, I
1:03:55
think it was probably 2023 you had, and I don't remember where
1:04:03
it was, might have been Chicago, might have been Colorado Red
1:04:09
Rocks. I don't remember exactly.
1:04:10
But you, you met up with a friend of mine, Patrick.
1:04:15
Yeah, I remember. And.
1:04:19
Yeah, that's pretty true. I remember this, yeah.
1:04:23
Yep. So I still have that and I
1:04:24
wanted to show you that I, I never, you know, I think I
1:04:29
shared a post about it and thanked you online, but I never,
1:04:33
I never expected to get the chance to have some screen time
1:04:37
with you to show you like, hey, I've still got it and thank you
1:04:40
again for that gesture and that gift.
1:04:42
So in a way, you know, we talk about or we talked earlier about
1:04:49
reciprocity, you know what I mean?
1:04:52
And so thank you for this gift. And I hope that our time
1:04:55
together today on this interview, on this chat is is a
1:05:00
is a is an acceptable gift in return to give you talk to my
1:05:05
audience and talk about your work and maybe get some new
1:05:08
people to become familiar with what you're what you're doing
1:05:12
and looking forward to things that you're doing in the future.
1:05:16
Yeah. Thank you so much, Jesse.
1:05:18
Yeah, it was really, really nice being here.
1:05:20
Thank you. I had a wonderful time.
1:05:23
I'm going to wrap this up. Don't go anywhere real quick.
1:05:26
I'm just going to sign everybody off like I'd always do.
1:05:28
And then I'll, I'll, I'll take, I'll talk with you when we're
1:05:31
done recording just for a few minutes, if that's OK.
1:05:34
Yeah, it's true. Before we go, are there any
1:05:36
parting words that you would like to give to my audience
1:05:39
today? This is very nice.
1:05:47
Yeah, I don't know, really. It's just about, yeah, feeling
1:05:56
connection. Feeling, feeling connection.
1:05:59
That's it. Yeah.
1:06:00
Yeah, touch the earth, get your bare skin in the Earth and talk
1:06:03
about connecting right, That that's the best way.
1:06:07
Mirror setting. Thank you so much for being my
1:06:09
guest this week and and talking with us about so many wonderful
1:06:13
things. Really appreciate your time.
1:06:15
For everybody else that's listening and watching, check
1:06:17
out the show notes, the description area.
1:06:20
However it is that you're capturing this episode for links
1:06:23
to Tamira's music projects, ways that you can follow her on
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social media, where you can find her music.
1:06:30
All that will be linked somewhere in this episode.
1:06:33
So check her out, support her in any way that you can, and until
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we talk to each other again, may the gods continue to notice you,
1:06:41
and may your ancestors smile upon you.
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See you in the next one.