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Mega Edition: Before Bryan Kohberger, Everyone Was a Suspect (8/21/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: Everyone, and welcome back to the program. Today. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: jump right back into the headlines and see what we
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Speaker 1: might have missed overnight and where things currently stand as
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Speaker 1: of this morning. So let's see what the Independent has
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Speaker 1: for us today. Today's article is from The Independent headline
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Speaker 1: Idaho murders. Victim's father says Adam mentioned a new video
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Speaker 1: isn't a suspect in the Moscow stabbings. This article was
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Speaker 1: authored by Rachel Sharp and Andrea Blanco. New surveillance footage
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Speaker 1: has come to light showing two of the slain University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho's students walking through downtown Moscow with a man
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Speaker 1: as they discussed an unidentified individual named Adam, just hours
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Speaker 1: before they were brutally murdered. The video captures Kaylee Gonsalbiz
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Speaker 1: and Madison Mogan with what appears to be the same
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Speaker 1: man known as Hoodie Guy, who they were with when
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Speaker 1: they stopped at late night food spot the grub Trug.
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Speaker 1: Police have already ruled this man out as a suspect.
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Speaker 1: In the video, Gonsalvis appears to ask Mogan, Maddie, what
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Speaker 1: did you say to Adam? Like I told Adam everything.
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Speaker 1: A second female voice response now I find all of
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Speaker 1: this very interesting. You have her talking here about somebody
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Speaker 1: named Adam who she told everything to. Right, What is everything?
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Speaker 1: What was going on with these girls inside of their
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Speaker 1: circle here or in their lives that she told Adam everything? Now,
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Speaker 1: it could be something very mundane, or it could be
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Speaker 1: something that could lead to cracking this case. We just
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Speaker 1: don't know. And there's all of these little clues, but
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Speaker 1: they don't add up to a big picture, at least
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Speaker 1: not from our perspective. What the investigators are looking at
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Speaker 1: that's a different thing. But what we see here, it's
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Speaker 1: all like a scrambled TV screen almost. You know, if
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Speaker 1: you turn the dial real quick, you might get a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a picture, but never going to be
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Speaker 1: able to see the whole show. And that's kind of
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Speaker 1: where we're at here. Like there's all of these names
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Speaker 1: and we hear about all of these people, and she says, oh,
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Speaker 1: I told Adam everything, So that leads me to believe
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Speaker 1: that there was something going on. Right, and then you
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Speaker 1: look forward in the future a little bit and they
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Speaker 1: get home and they make all of these phone calls
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Speaker 1: to the ex boyfriend. So what was going on? What
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Speaker 1: was the issue here? The friction where she told Adam everything.
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Speaker 1: Gonsalva's father, Steve Gonsalves, told Fox News that investigators were
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Speaker 1: already aware of the footage and that the individual named
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Speaker 1: Adam is not a suspect in the murders. And I'm
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Speaker 1: totally on board with that. I don't think he's a
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Speaker 1: suspect either. I don't have any information to tell me that.
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Speaker 1: But what was the conversation right, What were they talking
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Speaker 1: about and what was the issue that she felt the
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Speaker 1: need to tell Adam about. After visiting the food truck,
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Speaker 1: Gonsalvas and Mogan got a ride home, arriving at their
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Speaker 1: student rental home at around one fifty six am on
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Speaker 1: November thirteenth. The two best friends, their roommate Xana Kernodle,
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Speaker 1: and Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin, were stabbed to death in
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Speaker 1: the home at around three am or four am. The
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Speaker 1: killer remains at large. Will the Idaho college murders become
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Speaker 1: America's next cold case. It's been one month since four
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Speaker 1: Idaho students were brutally murdered, and fears are growing that
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Speaker 1: the case is going cold. Rachel Sharp and Josh Marcus
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Speaker 1: explore a troubling trend in America's homicide clearance rates and
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Speaker 1: what happens to the families and communities left waiting for answers.
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Speaker 1: The Independent has an article that goes along with the
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Speaker 1: cold cases and unsolved murders, and we're gonna do that
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Speaker 1: article in the future here later on today, so we're
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Speaker 1: not going to delve too deep here. But I don't
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Speaker 1: think we're at a point where we can say it's
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Speaker 1: a cold case yet. Obviously we're not there. There's still
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Speaker 1: tips coming in, there's still a lot of personnel working
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Speaker 1: on the case. But to think that it can't get
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Speaker 1: to a point where it's a cold case, that's pretty
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Speaker 1: silly to think, because we've seen time and time again
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Speaker 1: these cases go cold, and we've seen time and time
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Speaker 1: again people get away with murder. So I know there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of folks out there that have just incredible
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Speaker 1: faith in the FBI, in the police, in the investigators,
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Speaker 1: and that's awesome. I hope that your faith is not misplaced,
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Speaker 1: and I hope that you're correct. But me, I have
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Speaker 1: a very wait and see attitude when it comes to
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Speaker 1: these investigations. We've seen way too many of them go south.
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Speaker 1: Now I don't think we're there yet here, and I
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Speaker 1: think that all of the leads haven't been chased down yet.
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Speaker 1: But there is a point that you're gonna come to
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Speaker 1: if nobody has been arrested or brought in, where you're
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Speaker 1: gonna have to start accepting the fact that this case
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Speaker 1: is going to go cold. Now. Again, I don't think
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Speaker 1: we're there yet, and I think we have quite a
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Speaker 1: ways to go, but we can't be naive and think
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Speaker 1: that this case can't go down that path. We've seen
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Speaker 1: plenty of cases with a lot of resources, a lot
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Speaker 1: of attention in the media not get solved. Investigators exploring
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Speaker 1: possibility mystery driver might not own the white car. Well,
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Speaker 1: I've been saying this since the car popped up. Who
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Speaker 1: in the hell is going to use their own car
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Speaker 1: to commit murder like this? If this person planned this
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Speaker 1: all out and premeditated these murders, don't you think that
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Speaker 1: they would try and figure out a way to get
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Speaker 1: away with it. And to do that, you certainly wouldn't
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Speaker 1: want to be in a car that was registered to
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Speaker 1: you or one of your friends, because that's easy to
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Speaker 1: trace back. That's easy to track back, And that's why
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Speaker 1: I said if they had that information and they knew
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Speaker 1: what was going on with this car or had any idea,
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Speaker 1: they would have already traced back to the person, like say,
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Speaker 1: this was somebody who was around these kids all the
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Speaker 1: time and was driving to parties, going to football games,
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Speaker 1: driving around Moscow. People would have recognized the car already
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Speaker 1: and we would have had more movement towards who owns it.
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Speaker 1: But we haven't seen any of that. So it leads
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Speaker 1: me to believe or at least speculate here that that
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Speaker 1: car was possibly stolen. Investigators are said to be exploring
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Speaker 1: the possibility that the mystery driver of the white Honde
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Speaker 1: a Lantra might not own the vehicle. For more than
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Speaker 1: a week, Moscow police have been searching for the occupant
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Speaker 1: or occupants of a white car seen in the immediate
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Speaker 1: area of the crime scene at the time of the murders.
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalva's father, Steve Gonsalvez, said that investigators have done
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Speaker 1: due diligence on the car and have not been able
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Speaker 1: to track down the occupants. They've kind of informed us
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Speaker 1: through communications that they've checked all the easiest pass he
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Speaker 1: told Fox News on Saturday, and again just using common
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Speaker 1: sense as a guide, it would lead you to believe
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Speaker 1: that the investigators looked at the easiest pathway first, right,
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Speaker 1: registered owners people in Moscow, that sort of thing, and
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Speaker 1: when you run out of road there and you've exhausted
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Speaker 1: all of those possibilities, well, obviously that car came from
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Speaker 1: somewhere else. Now the question is where did it come
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Speaker 1: from and who was driving it? If this individual had
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Speaker 1: this car registered to his name and it was just
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Speaker 1: something very quick that they could just look up in
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Speaker 1: the area and go right to his house, they've done
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Speaker 1: all the due diligence here. They've done all of that.
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Speaker 1: So now they're reaching out and they're going to look
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Speaker 1: to the community to see if this individual borrowed this car.
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Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people won't want to
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Speaker 1: hear this one, but here it is with them reaching
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Speaker 1: out like this and not knowing who owns the car,
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Speaker 1: not knowing if it's owned by the person or if
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Speaker 1: it's borrowed, that leads me to believe that they have
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Speaker 1: nothing else. All they have is the digital puzzle pieces
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Speaker 1: that they've put together of the car being in the
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Speaker 1: vicinity several different times, in different frames, in different surveillance cameras,
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Speaker 1: But besides that, they really don't have anything else to
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Speaker 1: go on. And if this was an easy lead to
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Speaker 1: track down, like mister Gonsalba says here, they would have
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Speaker 1: already tracked it down. He added, it doesn't appear that
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Speaker 1: it's something that they have real easy access to, so
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Speaker 1: he may have ran. And they really pushed the narrative, saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: if we can get these guys to focus on something
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Speaker 1: that's really helpful, which is this car and find out
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Speaker 1: if somebody says, hey, you know that car looks a
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Speaker 1: lot like mine, I'm going to come forward and just
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Speaker 1: volunteer my information, and then they can figure out if
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Speaker 1: somebody else had borrowed it or if heck, who knows.
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Speaker 1: And again, this is where the reward comes in, right,
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Speaker 1: how many people are gonna come forward if they think
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Speaker 1: that their car was used in a crime like this?
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Speaker 1: Not for free? Now you offer a couple of fazzules,
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Speaker 1: Well that's a whole different ballgame. You're gonna get these
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Speaker 1: people to play ball and start talking. But who knows
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Speaker 1: where this car is at this point? I mean, if
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Speaker 1: you go back to the Little Miss murder case, look
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Speaker 1: what the killer did in that case, he used a
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Speaker 1: whole ass backo dug a hole on his property and
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Speaker 1: put her a car in that hole so nobody could
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Speaker 1: find the car, and then obviously nobody find the girl
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Speaker 1: that he murdered. So there's ways to get rid of cars.
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Speaker 1: And if this car was hot, forget about it. It's
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Speaker 1: already long gone. Why murders can take a long time
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Speaker 1: to solve. While it is perfectly understandable that the public
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Speaker 1: wants a quick resolution in shocking murder cases, Professor David Carter,
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Speaker 1: a criminologist who has studied police clearance rates, says this
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Speaker 1: often doesn't match up with the reality of police work. Well,
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Speaker 1: how many police investigations have the resources that we see here?
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Speaker 1: Not very many, right, So when you have these kinds
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Speaker 1: of resources, that takes it to a different level in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, and you should be able to clear homicides
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Speaker 1: a lot quicker when you have more resources. The more
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Speaker 1: expansive the crime scene and the crime, the longer it
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Speaker 1: takes to investigate. I understand the community need and social
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Speaker 1: media need, he tells The Independent. We want to know
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Speaker 1: what happened, we want to know who the suspect is. However,
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Speaker 1: he says a case like the Idaho murders has numerous
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Speaker 1: elements that police need to work through slowly and deliberately
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Speaker 1: to get things right. A large crime scene, extensive blood
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Speaker 1: at the murder site, and multiple victims. Then there's all
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Speaker 1: the usual elements of police work, interviewing witnesses, searching for
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Speaker 1: surveillance footage, and cross referencing information between different evidentiary sources.
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Speaker 1: It's incredibly time consuming to do all this, Professor Carter said,
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Speaker 1: And usually he's right when you have one or two
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Speaker 1: detectives who are working on a case. But we don't
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Speaker 1: have that here, right. We have a whole ass department,
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Speaker 1: a bunch of resources from the state Police, we have
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Speaker 1: the FBI, So there's a ton of resources here and
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Speaker 1: that should affect the clearance rate, will it, We'll have
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Speaker 1: to see. Victim's father says he fears for safety of
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Speaker 1: other children. Kaylee Gonsalve's father has said that he fears
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Speaker 1: for the safety of his other children as his daughter's
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Speaker 1: killer is still at large. Steve Gonsalvez told Fox News
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Speaker 1: on Saturday that he wants families to know information about
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Speaker 1: the case so that they can be on the lookout
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Speaker 1: for potential suspects as He revealed that one of his
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Speaker 1: other children will soon be attending the University of Idaho.
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Speaker 1: And you wonder why mister Gonsalves is so adamant about
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Speaker 1: finding out what went on here and about not letting
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Speaker 1: things get smoothed over. Not only has he lost his daughter,
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Speaker 1: he has another child that he's about to be sending
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Speaker 1: to this same school. I have another person going to
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Speaker 1: school there, and I don't want them walking around the
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Speaker 1: streets if it's not safe, he said. We know as
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Speaker 1: a family what we're looking for, and if they see
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Speaker 1: an individual looking a certain way, I'm telling my kids
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Speaker 1: to steer clear of that. So I want other families
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Speaker 1: to know. Investigators have so far kept a profile of
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Speaker 1: the killer under wraps, though mister Gonsalvez has revealed that
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Speaker 1: it is a male, and we heard that from Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Coffin Daffer as well, the x FBI agent who has
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Speaker 1: worked a ton of these cases. And it makes sense, right,
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Speaker 1: It definitely tracks with everything we know. You'd have to
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Speaker 1: have a lot of rage, a lot of power, a
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Speaker 1: lot of strength. So it leads me to believe that
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Speaker 1: it's a male. Now, who that person is, that's the
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Speaker 1: billion dollar question at this point, how successful is Moscow
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Speaker 1: PD with solving crimes. The families of the four victims
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Speaker 1: and residents of the small college town are living in
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Speaker 1: hope that the murders will soon be solved. But there
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Speaker 1: may be one detail about the Moscow Police Department that
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Speaker 1: gets those searching for justice in Idaho murders concern. Police
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Speaker 1: there tend to do far worse than their counterparts across
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Speaker 1: the state solving crimes that sure induces confidence. Huh. Up
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Speaker 1: until the student killings, there hadn't been a murder in
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Speaker 1: Moscow since twenty and fifteen, so it's difficult to compare
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Speaker 1: the department's homicide record to other agencies around the state
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Speaker 1: and country. However, generally speaking, Moscow police only cleared about
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Speaker 1: a quarter of Group A crimes between twenty and sixteen
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Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one, according to the Independence Analysis of
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Speaker 1: state data, a broad category which includes everything from murder
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Speaker 1: to theft. The state average during this same time period
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Speaker 1: was a clearance rate over fifty percent. So again, look,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't inspire very much confidence if you can't clear
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Speaker 1: Group A crimes. We're talking about, you know, theft and murder, arson, whatever.
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Speaker 1: I don't have that much confidence that you're gonna show
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Speaker 1: up here and end up being, you know, the greatest
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Speaker 1: inspectors in the history of the world. And remember, the
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Speaker 1: FBI wasn't there right away. It took a couple of
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Speaker 1: days for the FBI to get involved. And those first
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Speaker 1: forty eight hours are very, very crucial for these kinds
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Speaker 1: of investigations. And if evidence is missed or contaminated within
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Speaker 1: those golden hour periods, forget it. You can really throw
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Speaker 1: your investigation off the tracks. From Jump Street. Now, I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that's what happened. I don't know. I wasn't there,
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Speaker 1: But what I do know is it's six weeks and
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Speaker 1: nobody has been brought to justice. All Right, folks, that's
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Speaker 1: gonna do it for this morning's update. That's where things
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Speaker 1: currently stand as of now, and as more information becomes
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Speaker 1: available today, obviously we'll be adding it to the catalog.
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Speaker 1: box what's up everyone, and welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 1: Earlier during the morning Update, we were talking about the
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Speaker 1: video that was just unearthed with Kaylee and Madison and
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Speaker 1: someone named Adam. So I thought on this episode we'd
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Speaker 1: add a little more context about who Adam is and
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Speaker 1: what his role in all of this allegedly is. So
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Speaker 1: to do that, we have an article from The Independent
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Speaker 1: headline new video shows Idaho students discussing mystery man named
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Speaker 1: Adam hours before the college murders. Now Steve Gonsalvez has
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Speaker 1: said that Adam has nothing to do with these murders,
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Speaker 1: and the police obviously know about this tape, know about
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Speaker 1: the interaction here, and my guess is they investigated this
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Speaker 1: interaction and they don't believe that Adam has anything to
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Speaker 1: do with it. This article was authored by Rachel Sharp.
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Speaker 1: Newly obtained surveillance footage has come to light, purportedly showing
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Speaker 1: two of the slain University of Idaho students walking through
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Speaker 1: downtown Moscow discussing a mystery individual named Adam, just hours
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Speaker 1: before they were brutally murdered, and without context. Obviously that
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Speaker 1: seems to be somebody who might be involved here. Right, Oh,
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Speaker 1: they were with this person right before their murders. Definitely
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Speaker 1: a suspect. But if you and I are thinking that,
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Speaker 1: you know that the police have already run down this lead,
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Speaker 1: and they've already taken a look at who this Adam
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Speaker 1: guy might be and what the interactions are. The video
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Speaker 1: captures Kelle Gonsalvez and Madison Mogan walking together with a
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Speaker 1: man in the early hours of November thirteenth. The man
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Speaker 1: appears to be the same individual known in social media
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Speaker 1: circles as Hoodie Guy, who the two best friends were
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Speaker 1: with when they stopped by a late night food spot,
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Speaker 1: the Grub Truck. Now, obviously, Hoodie Guy has been somebody
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Speaker 1: that people have been pointing fingers at for quite some time,
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Speaker 1: but investigators time and time again say that Hoodie Guy
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with this. Some people they just
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Speaker 1: won't let it go though. It's like a bone, right,
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Speaker 1: a dog with a bone, and they just won't let
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Speaker 1: it go. However, what I will say is when the
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Speaker 1: police go back and say stuff like we can go
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Speaker 1: back and reinterview people, well, it certainly keeps, you know,
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Speaker 1: the theory if you will alive. For some people, some
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Speaker 1: people won't even believe who the murderer is when the
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Speaker 1: person gets arrested, they'll still think it's their theory. There
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Speaker 1: are people out there that are that crazy. Folks believe it.
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Speaker 1: Police have already ruled him out as a suspect in
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Speaker 1: the murders. In the video, a voice believed to belong
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Speaker 1: to Gonsalves asks Maddie, what did you say to Adam?
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Speaker 1: Like I told Adam everything. A second female voice response.
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Speaker 1: It is not clear who the man named Adam is,
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Speaker 1: but Gonsalve's grieving father said he is not a suspect
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Speaker 1: in his daughter's homicide. Now, if Steve Gonsalves is saying that,
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Speaker 1: I tend to believe him, because this is a man
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Speaker 1: who is hell bent on justice at this point, and
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Speaker 1: if he thought this person had anything to do with it,
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Speaker 1: I doubt that mister Gonsalves would be so quick to
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Speaker 1: write old boy off. But again, look, it's very confusing,
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Speaker 1: and we only have what the police have given us,
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Speaker 1: and as you all know, it's a very minimal amount
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Speaker 1: of information to go on. But mister Gonsalvez doesn't strike
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Speaker 1: me as the type of guy that's going to be
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Speaker 1: exing people out of the investigation, unless, of course, an
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Speaker 1: investigation has already been had. Steve Gonsalves told Fox News
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Speaker 1: that investigators were already aware of the footage and that
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Speaker 1: the mystery man named Adam is not connected or believed
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Speaker 1: to be connected to the killings. We've had the film
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Speaker 1: for a while. I believe the business reached out to
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Speaker 1: us directly after they had given it to the police,
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Speaker 1: he said. He added, we did the obvious due diligence
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Speaker 1: and we looked into that and it was pretty clear
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Speaker 1: that this individual is not part of the investigation as
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Speaker 1: far as being a suspect. So I think that's pretty
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Speaker 1: definitive right And anybody out there that's still harboring suspicions
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Speaker 1: about Adam here, I would think that mister Gonsalvez would
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Speaker 1: be a little bit more amped up if he thought
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Speaker 1: that Adam might have anything to do with what happened
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Speaker 1: to his daughter. Mister Gonsalves said it was comforting to
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Speaker 1: see his daughter and her friend enjoying their last night together.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of comforting as it's just two girls having
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Speaker 1: a good time talking and just being girls on their
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Speaker 1: way to the grub truck, he said. Imagine that being
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Speaker 1: the last view of your daughter I just can't get
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Speaker 1: over that. I can't wrap my mind around it. Your
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Speaker 1: a young, vibrant child who you sent off to college
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Speaker 1: to begin the next part of her life ends up
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Speaker 1: dying while at that college. And we're not talking about
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Speaker 1: an accident here. We're not talking about a car crash
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Speaker 1: or falling off of the bleachers at the football game.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about being murdered, gruesomely murdered while in her bed.
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Speaker 1: How you can come around to that and come to
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Speaker 1: grips with that as a parent is certainly beyond me.
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Speaker 1: The newly surfaced footage was captured by a local Moscow resident,
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Speaker 1: who has handed it over to the police. The video
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Speaker 1: was then shared with the University of Idaho Murders Case
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Speaker 1: Discussion Facebook group, which then provided it to Fox News Digital.
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Speaker 1: So it's been out there for a while. The video
20:54
Speaker 1: has been floating around, and Fox News is just getting
20:57
Speaker 1: their hands on it, and we the public are just
21:00
Speaker 1: getting a whiff of it. As far as the narrative
21:03
Speaker 1: in the legacy media, it's not clear exactly what time
21:08
Speaker 1: the footage was taken, but it appears to be prior
21:11
Speaker 1: to Gonsalvez and Mogen paying a visit to The Grubrug
21:15
Speaker 1: investigators previously said that Gonsalvez and Mogan spent the night
21:19
Speaker 1: at the Corner Club bar in the downtown area, leaving
21:22
Speaker 1: there at around one point thirty am and walking to
21:25
Speaker 1: the food truck. After ordering food at the late night
21:28
Speaker 1: food spot, they got a sorority service ride home, arriving
21:32
Speaker 1: at their student rental home on King Road at around
21:35
Speaker 1: one fifty six am on November thirteenth. The driver who
21:39
Speaker 1: gave them a ride home is also not considered a
21:42
Speaker 1: suspect in the case. So there's a lot of people
21:45
Speaker 1: that have been ruled out right, a lot of people
21:48
Speaker 1: that have been xed off the list. It would be
21:52
Speaker 1: nice if there were some people in the other column. Right,
21:55
Speaker 1: this is a suspect, This is a person of interest,
21:58
Speaker 1: And I just can't wait till we get to that point,
22:01
Speaker 1: the point where whoever is responsible for this has to
22:04
Speaker 1: pay dearly. The two best friends, their roommate's Ana Kernodle
22:10
Speaker 1: and Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin, were stabbed to death in
22:13
Speaker 1: the home at around three am or four am, more
22:17
Speaker 1: than one month on. The killer remains at large, with
22:20
Speaker 1: no suspects identified and no arrests made. Christine Cameron and
22:25
Speaker 1: Elina Smith, the creators and administrators of the Facebook group
22:29
Speaker 1: which first uploaded the footage, said it gives a bigger
22:32
Speaker 1: picture of what happened in the lead up to the murders,
22:35
Speaker 1: and folks that's super important. It's very important to have
22:38
Speaker 1: all the context, or at least all of the context
22:41
Speaker 1: available at the time of the story because it helps
22:44
Speaker 1: to put pieces in place. Right. You have people out
22:47
Speaker 1: here thinking Hoodie Guy was somebody who might be involved
22:50
Speaker 1: in the murders, Whereas if there's a bigger picture of
22:53
Speaker 1: him and his behavior and perhaps his relationship with these girls,
22:58
Speaker 1: then maybe that puts him in different light. So for me,
23:02
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of context in every single facet
23:06
Speaker 1: of my life, but especially when we're talking about something
23:09
Speaker 1: like this, because if you don't have the proper context,
23:12
Speaker 1: you're going to be on the wrong path. From Jump Street,
23:15
Speaker 1: ms Cameron told Fox that it shows that Hoodie Guy
23:18
Speaker 1: had been with the victims prior to their visit to
23:21
Speaker 1: the food truck, appearing to debunk some of the rumors
23:24
Speaker 1: and conspiracies swirling about the man online. So a lot
23:28
Speaker 1: of people thought he was at the food truck when
23:30
Speaker 1: the girl showed up and then had like a sketchy
23:33
Speaker 1: interaction with him there. But what this is saying to us,
23:36
Speaker 1: and what this is showing us, is that they had
23:38
Speaker 1: a relationship prior to that, meaning that they were friendly
23:42
Speaker 1: and they might have been hanging out at the bar
23:44
Speaker 1: or whatever, or maybe on the way home from the bar,
23:46
Speaker 1: they ran into Adam and they all walked to the
23:49
Speaker 1: grub truck together. Despite being ruled out as a suspect
23:55
Speaker 1: weeks ago, Hoodie Guy is one of several people who
23:58
Speaker 1: continue to be subjected to rampant online speculation among internet slews.
24:05
Speaker 1: Moscow police are now vowing to crack down on online
24:08
Speaker 1: misinformation after some people have even faced death threats over
24:13
Speaker 1: the unsolved case. I don't know how they're going to
24:15
Speaker 1: crack down on online misinformation, but good luck with that.
24:22
Speaker 1: We can all scrutinize those couple of minutes at the
24:24
Speaker 1: food truck, but we just have to remember that there
24:27
Speaker 1: was an entire evening before this, said Miss Cameron, and
24:30
Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent correct. We all want to shoot
24:33
Speaker 1: off from the hip, right and when something looks suspect
24:36
Speaker 1: like that, and when you're looking at how it usually
24:38
Speaker 1: goes down with a murder like this, it's usually somebody
24:41
Speaker 1: they know and somebody who is with them a few
24:44
Speaker 1: hours prior to the murders. Obviously has to be somebody
24:47
Speaker 1: that's looked at. But now when you start to get
24:51
Speaker 1: more context and you know the full story, it certainly
24:55
Speaker 1: looks like that they were friendly with this person, and
24:58
Speaker 1: this person to mister Gonsalvez, and according to the authorities,
25:03
Speaker 1: had zero to do with this. There's more than just
25:09
Speaker 1: one time stamp that we have into the evening, she added,
25:13
Speaker 1: people are drawing the conclusion that he's creepy from just
25:16
Speaker 1: a few minutes, and I want to give a bigger picture.
25:19
Speaker 1: He wasn't just staring at them. He was with them prior,
25:22
Speaker 1: so he was their friend, with them prior to this.
25:24
Speaker 1: And he wasn't just some creep guy hanging out at
25:27
Speaker 1: the grub truck, you know, googling at girls like old
25:31
Speaker 1: googly eyes in Boardwalk Empire. He was somebody that they
25:35
Speaker 1: knew previously. The man in the footage and the person
25:39
Speaker 1: who gave them a ride home are among several people
25:42
Speaker 1: who have been ruled out as suspects. The others include
25:45
Speaker 1: the two surviving housemates, Gonzalvea's former long term boyfriend, and
25:49
Speaker 1: the friends who were in the home when the nine
25:52
Speaker 1: to one to one call was made around midday on
25:54
Speaker 1: November thirteenth. A sixth person listed on the lease of
25:58
Speaker 1: the student home and the two men involved in a
26:01
Speaker 1: stalker incident with Gonsalves around a month before the murders
26:05
Speaker 1: are also not believed to be connected to the case.
26:08
Speaker 1: Police said. Investigators are still on the hunt for the
26:12
Speaker 1: occupant or occupants of a mystery white car which was
26:15
Speaker 1: spotted near the student home around the time of the murders. Well, folks,
26:20
Speaker 1: there it is a little bit more context about this
26:22
Speaker 1: interaction with Adam and some of the surrounding facts that
26:26
Speaker 1: we know thus far. Now, there's another paragraph and a
26:29
Speaker 1: half of this article, but it's just treading over ground
26:32
Speaker 1: that we've already covered earlier talking about the Hondai and
26:35
Speaker 1: all of that. So I'm not going to dive into
26:37
Speaker 1: that portion of this article, and instead we're gonna wrap
26:42
Speaker 1: it up right here, all right, folks, If you'd like
26:45
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26:48
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26:53
Speaker 1: Cci at proton mail dot com. You can also find
26:57
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Bobby under score caap Ucci. The
27:03
Speaker 1: link that I discussed can be found in the description box.
27:06
Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Recently
27:12
Speaker 1: we heard about the TikTok content creator, the tarot card reader,
27:16
Speaker 1: who said that the University of Idaho professor was involved
27:20
Speaker 1: with these murders. Well, the professor, as you can probably imagine,
27:26
Speaker 1: wasn't too happy about what she had heard or what
27:29
Speaker 1: had been said about her, so she decided to sue.
27:32
Speaker 1: Now the police have come out, meaning the Moscow police,
27:36
Speaker 1: and they're saying that the professor at the University of
27:40
Speaker 1: Idaho had nothing to do with this, and that's going
27:44
Speaker 1: to be very difficult for the content creator. I'm not
27:47
Speaker 1: even gonna mention her name, but it's going to be
27:49
Speaker 1: difficult for her in court with the police coming out
27:52
Speaker 1: and saying that this woman, the professor, had nothing to
27:55
Speaker 1: do with this. So you can read tarot cards till
27:58
Speaker 1: the cows come home. But if there's no evidence that
28:01
Speaker 1: you can show the court that this is true, well
28:05
Speaker 1: you're in big trouble. And this content creator, she's out
28:09
Speaker 1: here acting like she can't wait for her day in court.
28:13
Speaker 1: I don't think she understands what's about to come her way.
28:16
Speaker 1: And you would think that if she could tell the future,
28:19
Speaker 1: she would know that she's in for a beatn here,
28:22
Speaker 1: because the courts don't play around with stuff like this.
28:25
Speaker 1: And from where I'm sitting, and obviously I'm not a
28:28
Speaker 1: legal professional, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like
28:32
Speaker 1: the professor has an open and shut defamation case here.
28:36
Speaker 1: You can't run around and call people a murderer. You
28:39
Speaker 1: can't say people are killing the college students, can't say
28:42
Speaker 1: they're killing anybody. And if you do, there's gonna be repercussions.
28:47
Speaker 1: Because this professor, she's gonna have to deal with that drama,
28:51
Speaker 1: those rumors, and there's gonna be people, unfortunately, who believe
28:55
Speaker 1: the content creator. There's always those people out there who
29:00
Speaker 1: are willing to believe anything, and especially if it confirms
29:03
Speaker 1: their bias. Right confirmation. Bias is a real thing, and
29:07
Speaker 1: a lot of people they believe one thing and that's
29:10
Speaker 1: the end of it, no matter what the evidence tells them,
29:13
Speaker 1: and people who are out here believe it. In psychics
29:16
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I really don't know what to say.
29:19
Speaker 1: About that. I just don't understand it. If these psychics
29:23
Speaker 1: were so great at reading the future, do you really
29:26
Speaker 1: think they'd be messing around on TikTok, trying to get
29:28
Speaker 1: you to subscribe to their channel, trying to get you
29:31
Speaker 1: to pay up on their Patreon, or would they be
29:34
Speaker 1: out there reading the lottery and you know, living their
29:37
Speaker 1: best life. So for me, that shit just doesn't jive.
29:42
Speaker 1: And anyone talking about I'm a psychic or I'm reading
29:45
Speaker 1: tarot cards or I'm using a spirit box, you can
29:49
Speaker 1: miss me with all that bs. Today's article is from
29:54
Speaker 1: Fox News headlined Idaho murders. Police say university professor doing
30:00
Speaker 1: TikTok cyber sloth not linked to the slayings. This article
30:04
Speaker 1: was authored by Stephanie Pogonis. Police in Moscow, Idaho, say
30:10
Speaker 1: they do not believe a local university professor was involved
30:14
Speaker 1: in the murders of four university students after the educator
30:18
Speaker 1: suit a cyber slouth for accusing her of being linked
30:21
Speaker 1: to the Grizzly unsolved crimes. And this is huge for
30:25
Speaker 1: the professor, Professor Schofield, having the police come out and
30:29
Speaker 1: say this, it just bolsters her case. Now obviously, I
30:34
Speaker 1: don't think anyone was believing that the professor had something
30:37
Speaker 1: to do with this, unless, of course, you believe the
30:40
Speaker 1: psychic woman. But anyone who's grounded in reality took one
30:45
Speaker 1: look at this and said, are you kidding me right now?
30:47
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure that's the way a jury's going
30:50
Speaker 1: to feel, too, if it ever gets to that point,
30:53
Speaker 1: because I know if it was me and I was
30:55
Speaker 1: this professor, I'd be going all the way, folks, I'd
30:59
Speaker 1: pursue this to the very nth degree, because I'd want
31:03
Speaker 1: to make a point that you can't say shit like that.
31:07
Speaker 1: You can't just come out and talk out of the
31:08
Speaker 1: side of your neck calling people killers and murderers. The
31:14
Speaker 1: Moscow Police Department issued a press release on Tuesday, forty
31:18
Speaker 1: four days since four University of Idaho students were found
31:22
Speaker 1: fatally stabbed inside an off campus home, acknowledging investigators belief
31:27
Speaker 1: that the professor, whose name is being withheld by Fox
31:30
Speaker 1: News Digital, was not involved in the slayings. So the
31:35
Speaker 1: police come out and say this. Imagine, if you're the
31:38
Speaker 1: lawyer for this TikTok content creator, you must be looking
31:43
Speaker 1: at your assistant saying to yourself, well, we have no
31:46
Speaker 1: chance here. We better figure out how to settle. But
31:49
Speaker 1: it looks like the content creator is so brazen and
31:53
Speaker 1: so far down the rabbit hole that they're acting like
31:56
Speaker 1: they're going to go fight this in court so that
31:59
Speaker 1: they can show the judge and the court the dots
32:01
Speaker 1: that they've connected. You want to talk about being detached
32:05
Speaker 1: from reality. There it is, folks in all of its
32:09
Speaker 1: illustrious glory. At this time in the investigation, detectives do
32:14
Speaker 1: not believe the female associate professor and chair of the
32:18
Speaker 1: history department at the University of Idaho suing a TikTok
32:22
Speaker 1: user for defamation is involved in the crime. The press
32:25
Speaker 1: release stated. The woman, an associate professor at the University
32:31
Speaker 1: of Idaho, sued a TikTok creator on Wednesday after she
32:35
Speaker 1: was accused of being involved in the November quadruple homicides.
32:39
Speaker 1: The professor cited in the lawsuit several videos posted to
32:42
Speaker 1: TikTok in which the woman tried to link her to
32:45
Speaker 1: the crime. And imagine sitting there and sucking this content up.
32:49
Speaker 1: What's up with people who were tuning in? Why would
32:52
Speaker 1: anyone want to listen to what a a psychic has
32:55
Speaker 1: to say about a murder case like this, unless, of course,
32:58
Speaker 1: again you're chase your own bias. Wen dj Olsen, the
33:05
Speaker 1: professor's attorney, called the statements false, plain and simple. She
33:10
Speaker 1: said her client sent the TikTok creator two seasoned desist letters,
33:14
Speaker 1: but she has continued to make false statements knowing they
33:18
Speaker 1: are false. And it's one thing to be wrong, right
33:21
Speaker 1: and to admit when you're wrong and say, hey, look
33:24
Speaker 1: I should take that content down. That was wrong. This
33:27
Speaker 1: isn't the right person. This lady had nothing to do
33:30
Speaker 1: with the murders, and I was completely off base. But
33:34
Speaker 1: that's not what happened here. She got hit with two
33:37
Speaker 1: seasoned desist letters and decided to continue to make content.
33:41
Speaker 1: So whose fault is that when she ends up getting
33:43
Speaker 1: sued here like she did, and she ends up getting
33:46
Speaker 1: this judgment rendered against her like she's going to, she's
33:50
Speaker 1: gonna have no one to blame but herself. So my
33:53
Speaker 1: guess is the pandering will turn up and the drifting
33:57
Speaker 1: will get knocked into the next level because she's gonna
33:59
Speaker 1: have some eagle bills that she's going to have to pay.
34:05
Speaker 1: What's even worse is that these untrue statements create safety
34:08
Speaker 1: issues for the professor and her family, Olsen said in
34:11
Speaker 1: a statement to Fox News Digital. They also further compound
34:15
Speaker 1: the trauma that the families of the victims are experiencing
34:18
Speaker 1: and undermine law enforcement efforts to find the people responsible
34:22
Speaker 1: in order to provide answers to the family and the public.
34:26
Speaker 1: And they're not wrong. You really think the police need
34:29
Speaker 1: to go and look into a professor who obviously had
34:32
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what went down here. And how
34:35
Speaker 1: many batshit insane tips came from this content creator's community.
34:40
Speaker 1: I'm sure a ton of them. Olson described the lawsuit
34:45
Speaker 1: as necessary to protect the professor's safety and a reputation.
34:49
Speaker 1: The TikTok creator responded to the lawsuit in subsequent TikTok
34:53
Speaker 1: videos in which she said, I am not stopping now.
34:57
Speaker 1: I have information about what she's saying her alibi is.
35:00
Speaker 1: I'm going to dig deep into that too, She said
35:03
Speaker 1: in a video posted Friday. Well, why don't you just
35:05
Speaker 1: do a Tarot card reading and tell us what it
35:07
Speaker 1: all is? What do you mean you got to dig
35:10
Speaker 1: into it? Dig into it from where your bedroom? I
35:13
Speaker 1: don't even understand what's going on here with this person, Like,
35:16
Speaker 1: for real, for real, you're all the way that far
35:20
Speaker 1: dug in. Huh, you're in that bunker and you're not
35:23
Speaker 1: coming out. This lady did it, and that's the end
35:25
Speaker 1: of it. She then released a different video two days later,
35:30
Speaker 1: in which she wrote, I have physical evidence against the
35:33
Speaker 1: professor that validates everything that I have said about her,
35:37
Speaker 1: but I can't speak on it now because it has
35:39
Speaker 1: to wait for court. Yo, I mean for real, for real,
35:42
Speaker 1: If anybody out there is listening to this podcast and
35:45
Speaker 1: you actually watch this content, can you please shoot me
35:48
Speaker 1: an email and let me know why you watch this content,
35:51
Speaker 1: what you're getting out of it, because I truly don't understand,
35:55
Speaker 1: and I want to be educated on it. I want
35:57
Speaker 1: to know why people would want to listen to what
35:59
Speaker 1: some person on TikTok has to say, especially when they're
36:03
Speaker 1: saying they're a psychic. Now, if they had something valid
36:06
Speaker 1: to add to the conversation, some good conversation maybe, or
36:11
Speaker 1: a good perspective about what went down, then that's a
36:13
Speaker 1: whole different story. Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, and Ethan Chapin
36:21
Speaker 1: and Xana Kernodle were discovered fatally stabbed inside the three
36:24
Speaker 1: story King Road residents just before noon on November thirteenth. Gonsalves, Kernodle,
36:30
Speaker 1: and Mogen lived at the address, which is located just
36:33
Speaker 1: one block from the University of Idaho campus and within
36:36
Speaker 1: eyeshot of some fraternity houses. Officials have said they believe
36:41
Speaker 1: the victims were asleep when they were attacked between three
36:44
Speaker 1: and four am inside the home at eleven twenty two
36:48
Speaker 1: King Road. Each victim suffered several stab wounds, and some
36:52
Speaker 1: showed signs of trying to defend themselves. The attack was
36:57
Speaker 1: carried out on the second and third floors. Two of
36:59
Speaker 1: the roommates were on the bottom floor of the home
37:02
Speaker 1: and they were unharmed, police said. Moscow police officers responded
37:06
Speaker 1: around eleven to fifty eight am to a report of
37:09
Speaker 1: an unconscious person at the address, but several people had
37:13
Speaker 1: gathered at the crime scene by the time police arrived,
37:15
Speaker 1: Officials said, and we all know the story from there.
37:20
Speaker 1: Talk about an absolutely contaminated crime scene. Maybe not where
37:24
Speaker 1: the actual crimes occurred, but the surrounding area. Oh, you're
37:29
Speaker 1: looking at it, all these college kids in and out,
37:32
Speaker 1: all these people in and out. They certainly have their
37:35
Speaker 1: work cut out for them. The nine one one call
37:38
Speaker 1: originated from inside the residence and came from one of
37:42
Speaker 1: the surviving roommate's cell phones. Police said multiple people allegedly
37:46
Speaker 1: spoke to the dispatcher before officers arrived. Police revealed on
37:51
Speaker 1: December seventh that they had gathered information through tips and
37:55
Speaker 1: leads about a twenty and eleven through twenty thirteen Hondai
37:59
Speaker 1: A Lantra being in the immediate area of the King
38:02
Speaker 1: Street residents during the early morning hours of November thirteenth.
38:06
Speaker 1: They added that they believe the people inside the vehicle
38:09
Speaker 1: could have critical information related to the case. Now, that's
38:13
Speaker 1: been a point of interest for the general public as
38:18
Speaker 1: well as the investigators, and pretty much the only thing
38:21
Speaker 1: that the general public has to go on is this
38:24
Speaker 1: white Hondai Lantra, and we still don't have any information
38:27
Speaker 1: about where it might be. Investigators are now sorting through
38:32
Speaker 1: information on approximately twenty two thousand Honda A Lantras that
38:37
Speaker 1: matched the description of the one they seen near the
38:39
Speaker 1: scene of the crime at the time of the murders.
38:42
Speaker 1: It was white, and its model year was between twenty
38:45
Speaker 1: and eleven and two thousand and thirteen, Police have said.
38:49
Speaker 1: Police are analyzing one hundred and thirteen pieces of physical
38:53
Speaker 1: evidence and about four thousand photos from the scene. They
38:56
Speaker 1: had received an estimated ten thousand tips and leads as
39:00
Speaker 1: of last week, so when they did the press release
39:03
Speaker 1: of the new one, they didn't add to it with
39:06
Speaker 1: a new number as far as new leads or anything
39:09
Speaker 1: like that. It was a paired down version of what
39:12
Speaker 1: we've been getting. The Moscow Police Department is urging the
39:16
Speaker 1: public to submit any images or information that they think
39:19
Speaker 1: could be important or useful to their investigation. They can
39:23
Speaker 1: do so by calling to zero eight eight eight three
39:26
Speaker 1: seven to one eight zero, or submitting tips through the
39:29
Speaker 1: tip line at tipline at CI dot Moscow dot ID
39:33
Speaker 1: dot us and sending digital media to the FBI tip line.
39:39
Speaker 1: Authorities have also created a dedicated web page related to
39:42
Speaker 1: the King Road attack. All right, folks, Well a little
39:46
Speaker 1: bit more on the professor who was suing the TikTok
39:50
Speaker 1: content creator, because I find it all so damn bizarre.
39:54
Speaker 1: And the fact that the season desist letters have not
39:57
Speaker 1: only been ignored but basically ripped up and laughed that
40:00
Speaker 1: is also bizarre. So the TikTok content creator thinks that
40:04
Speaker 1: they're going to go to court and they're gonna have
40:06
Speaker 1: a field Day, and I'm here to tell them that's
40:09
Speaker 1: not going to be the case. So I hope that
40:12
Speaker 1: other people out there who are getting these ideas of
40:14
Speaker 1: maybe boxing people or calling people out and defaming them,
40:18
Speaker 1: maybe they'll think again if this person ends up paying
40:22
Speaker 1: some retribution. So we'll have to see where it all goes.
40:25
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look good for the TikTok content creator
40:28
Speaker 1: with the police department coming out with this statement. All right, folks,
40:33
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. If you'd like
40:35
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40:38
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