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Joe Rogan Experience _2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
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  Speaker 2: I saw you on the Danny Jones podcast, and I've
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  Speaker 2: read a lot of your tweets and Twitter and just
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  Speaker 2: the entire ordeal that you've been through since the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of COVID. And so I felt like it could be
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  Speaker 2: very educational for people to hear your perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you continuing to talk about COVID because
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are sick of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm certainly ready to move on.
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  Speaker 2: I am too, but it's just people need to make
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  Speaker 2: sure this doesn't happen again.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And nothing's happened really. Nothing's been corrected.
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  Speaker 2: No, not only has nothing been corrected, I was just
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  Speaker 2: watching an argument on television where they were trying to
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  Speaker 2: argue for vaccinating women who are pregnant Oh, right. It's insane.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a golden rule of pregnancy, right? You
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  Speaker 1: don't experiment on pregnant women. You don't experiment on an
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  Speaker 1: unborn child.
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  Speaker 2: You're not even supposed to eat sushi.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, right. But we're going to put this modified mRNA
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  Speaker 1: technology into these women who, you know, early treatment. We
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  Speaker 1: have early treatment. COVID is no longer a threat. We're dealing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at one point it was more than a cold,
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  Speaker 1: but not now. Why in the world would we give
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  Speaker 1: them to pregnant women or children?
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that makes sense is money.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's the only thing that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Ego, meaning because they've already recommended it because they don't
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  Speaker 2: want to admit that it's not effective. They don't want
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  Speaker 2: to admit their side effects.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we have hard facts showing it should be
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  Speaker 1: pulled off the market. I mean, any other product would
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  Speaker 1: have been pulled a long time ago. If this were
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  Speaker 1: an antibiotic and we'd seen all the carnage from an antibiotic,
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  Speaker 1: it would have been yanked off long ago. It should
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  Speaker 1: have been yanked off in the first month. There's no
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  Speaker 1: other explanation than there's fraud, there's corruption, there's ego, there's money.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not science.
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  Speaker 2: No, and there's a lot of people that.
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  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, they have this very rigid ideology that
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  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical drug companies are to be trusted and we
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  Speaker 2: should trust the science and that all these organizations, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's the FDA or whatever it is that's connected to
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  Speaker 2: these assertions, they should be trusted, not just the average
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  Speaker 2: doctor who's talking about these side effects and all these
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  Speaker 2: different things that they're experiencing with their patients.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I trusted them when the pandemic started.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't think that the shots would work necessarily,
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  Speaker 1: but I trusted them. I didn't think they were going
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  Speaker 1: to hurt us.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't you think they would work?
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  Speaker 1: Because they were rushed to the market. I knew the
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  Speaker 1: flu shots were already iffy. We're dealing with a virus
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  Speaker 1: that mutates. We've never been able to vaccinate against a cold, which,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's a rapidly mutating virus. It's been tried before,
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  Speaker 1: and it's failed.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't mind, please tell everybody what your background is.
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  Speaker 2: in medicine?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, private practice, solo physician. I'm not head of the
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  Speaker 1: Mayo Clinic. I'm just a neighborhood ear, nose, and throat
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  Speaker 1: doctor that sort of got tangled up in this inadvertently.
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  Speaker 1: And I always thought when the pandemic started, I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: this will be the hospital. This will be a chaos
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  Speaker 1: in the hospitals. I never envisioned getting wrapped up in
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  Speaker 1: this at all. I trained at Stanford, and then I
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  Speaker 1: moved to Texas after residency. And then I worked in
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  Speaker 1: a small private practice for seven, eight years. Then I
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  Speaker 1: started having a bunch of children, and I pretty much
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  Speaker 1: gave up medicine. I mean, I took a seven-year sabbatical.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't even sure I was going to go back,
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  Speaker 1: but then I just had this itch that needed to
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  Speaker 1: be scratched, and I opened up a solo practice six
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  Speaker 1: months before the pandemic started.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, boy. What timing.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Why did I do it?
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  Speaker 2: You could have been out. I know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sometimes the universe has a calling for people, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a very interesting journey. I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So take us through what happened with you at the
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  Speaker 2: very beginning. Like, so COVID starts making its way across
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  Speaker 2: the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I had people coming in with respiratory tract
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  Speaker 1: infections that were stubborn. They were not, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: typical colds and a There was all this news that
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  Speaker 1: there's this virus from China. But you watch something on
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  Speaker 1: the news, you think, oh, that's not going to really
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  Speaker 1: affect me. But I started having more and more patients
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  Speaker 1: coming in. And at first, I really didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do. I just used common sense. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: treated the symptoms. I used breathing treatments. I covered for
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  Speaker 1: secondary infection with antibiotics. I used steroids, that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I had success. But I didn't have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people showing up at my doorstep, treat me for COVID,
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  Speaker 1: But I did start having people wanting to get tested.
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  Speaker 1: And you might remember that LabCorp was the first lab
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  Speaker 1: in the country to offer the test. And they just
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  Speaker 1: got completely slammed. So it took two weeks to get
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  Speaker 1: the results back. I was already working with a lab
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  Speaker 1: for patients with chronic sinusitis. They were doing PCR testing
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  Speaker 1: for chronic sinusitis. So it tests for bacterial and fungal
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  Speaker 1: infections of the sinuses. It's called MicrogenDX. And they came
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  Speaker 1: out with a saliva test for COVID. So we were
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  Speaker 1: able to get the results back the next day. So
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  Speaker 1: I started offering that, and my little clinic exploded. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm located in a strip mall, which is very purposeful.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very close to the medical center, which is to
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  Speaker 1: get your doctor's office. It's a 10-minute navigation of the
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  Speaker 1: parking garage and another 10-minute walk to the office. And
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  Speaker 1: so I was trying to locate my office where it
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  Speaker 1: was very easy to get in and out of. And
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  Speaker 1: then that served me very well during the pandemic because
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  Speaker 1: with these saliva tests, you could just take the cup
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  Speaker 1: to somebody's car. They could spit in the cup. They
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  Speaker 1: could leave it outside. It was contact free. You didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to shove up your nose. And then we got
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  Speaker 1: the results back the next day. And so that sort
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  Speaker 1: of made me put me on the map in my
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  Speaker 1: little neighborhood. And then I started tracking, you know, who
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  Speaker 1: when the vaccines came out, I started tracking who was
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  Speaker 1: positive by their vaccination status. And so I started noticing
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  Speaker 1: that the vaccine wasn't working. And that's sort of what
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  Speaker 1: got me in trouble. I also started giving monoclonal antibodies
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't ration them. So I became known in
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  Speaker 1: town as a place you could get monoclonal antibodies without,
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  Speaker 1: you know, having to pass, you know, being a certain
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  Speaker 1: race or a certain age or that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think that was all about?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. But the monoclonal antibodies is very
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  Speaker 1: frustrating to me. They worked very well. They were not controversial.
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  Speaker 1: People would turn around the next day. But when they
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  Speaker 1: first came out, I could get as many doses as
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  Speaker 1: I wanted. I mean, they show up at my doorstep
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  Speaker 1: the next day. And it was great. I mean, that
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  Speaker 1: also sort of put me on the map with COVID.
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  Speaker 1: And then I didn't even use ivermectin until the government
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  Speaker 1: took over distribution of monoclonal antibodies. And then it became
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  Speaker 1: harder and harder to get them. And that's when I
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  Speaker 1: turned to ivermectin. But, you know, in my opinion, they
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  Speaker 1: did that on purpose. They did that to encourage people
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  Speaker 1: to take the COVID shot. It was very orchestrated. If
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  Speaker 1: you look at the timing, you know, in March, the
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  Speaker 1: government put out the big information on ivermectin and why
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  Speaker 1: you should not take it for COVID. They put that
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  Speaker 1: on the FDA's website. At the same time, they launched
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  Speaker 1: COVID-19 Community Corps, and this was April 1st, 2021. This
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  Speaker 1: was an $ 11. 5 billion slush fund to propaganda, to feed
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  Speaker 1: out propaganda and censor people. And the day that they
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  Speaker 1: launched the COVID-19 community core was the same day that
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  Speaker 1: Houston Methodist, which is where I had privileges, they mandated
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  Speaker 1: the COVID shots for all their employees. And they were
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  Speaker 1: the first in the country. And that's sort of how
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  Speaker 1: I got tangled up in all this because I had
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  Speaker 1: privileges there. And then I was actually working with them.
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  Speaker 1: I was doing research with them. I was sharing my
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  Speaker 1: data with them to try to get it published. But
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  Speaker 1: then I started questioning, you know, the the the vaccine
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  Speaker 1: and how it wasn't working. I brought it to their
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  Speaker 1: attention first and they gaslit me. They just said, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it lowers severity. And when they when they
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  Speaker 1: ignored me, then I started speaking out on social media.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how that's what got me in trouble. But
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  Speaker 1: so that summer. 2021, that's when the third and the
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  Speaker 1: largest surge of the pandemic started. And this was after
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  Speaker 1: the rollout of the wonderful COVID shots that were promised
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  Speaker 1: to stop transmission and prevent death and obviously didn't. And
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  Speaker 1: the government was getting frustrated. So they doubled down on
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  Speaker 1: their ivermectin attack. And this was end of August 2021.
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  Speaker 1: They put out the infamous horse tweet. said, seriously, y'all,
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  Speaker 1: you're not a horse. You're not a cow. Stop it.
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  Speaker 1: A tweet went viral. It had dire consequences, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: And then they approved, they fully approved the COVID shot.
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  Speaker 1: And then Biden mandated for employers with 100 more employees.
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  Speaker 1: And that was right when they took you down. So
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  Speaker 1: it was all very coordinated. Oh, and then the final
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  Speaker 1: straw was taking away monoclonal antibodies.
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  Speaker 2: They said that. Yeah. Yeah, that was the more fascinating
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  Speaker 2: thing about it to me is I listed a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of different things that I took, including monoclonal antibodies. but
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  Speaker 2: they only concentrated on ivermectin. But the way they did
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  Speaker 2: it was like so transparent, like changing the color of
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  Speaker 2: my face on CNN and everywhere, this concerted effort to
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  Speaker 2: call it horse dewormer. They just tried to make it
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  Speaker 2: look as preposterous as possible without ever explaining that it's
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  Speaker 2: been used It's more than multiple billions of times prescribed
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  Speaker 2: to human beings.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they branded you. When I think of you,
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  Speaker 1: I think of that picture of you where you're slightly green.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But ivermectin, I was nervous about using it because
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  Speaker 1: of all the hype and because monoclonal work on it,
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  Speaker 1: because monoclonals worked so well. I was like, well, this
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  Speaker 1: is not going to live. You know, this is not
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  Speaker 1: going to work. I was nervous. But the first thing
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  Speaker 1: I did was dug into the safety. And anybody could
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  Speaker 1: do that, which is a minimal amount of effort. You
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  Speaker 1: can go to the FDA website and you can find
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  Speaker 1: the toxicity data on ivermectin. And there's something called the LD50,
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  Speaker 1: lethal dose 50, which is, it's a benchmark number that
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  Speaker 1: gives you an idea of how toxic a medication is.
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  Speaker 1: And LD50 means how many animals, 50, what dose would
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  Speaker 1: kill 50% of lab animals? So for ivermectin, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of depends on the rat, I mean, the type of
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  Speaker 1: animal and the gender. But it's basically 10 milligrams per
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  Speaker 1: kilogram up to 80 milligrams per kilogram. So for COVID,
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  Speaker 1: we're using 0.4 milligrams per kilogram. So I knew that
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  Speaker 1: we were not worried about, you know, killing people with it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I did a literature search, and I looked
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  Speaker 1: for accidental, intentional overdoses for ivermectin, and I couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: a single study. Whereas you do that for Tylenol, I mean, thousands,
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  Speaker 1: thousands of reports.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So once I knew it was safe, then I started
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  Speaker 1: using it and then I found it worked. And then
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  Speaker 1: all in all, I treated well over 6,000 patients and
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  Speaker 1: everybody that got early treatment stayed out of the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: I also had patients come in that were really sick
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  Speaker 1: in the second week. And that was such a learning
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  Speaker 1: experience for me because normally if somebody walked into my
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  Speaker 1: office with an oxygen saturation in the low 80s, I
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  Speaker 1: would call an ambulance and But I had patients who
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  Speaker 1: were refusing to go to the hospital. And I had
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  Speaker 1: to give them the option to possibly die in my office,
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  Speaker 1: which is scary. But we saved them. I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: just threw the kitchen sink at them. And we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have monoclonal antibodies. So we brought them in every day.
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  Speaker 1: We did IV steroids. We did IV antibiotics. We gave
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  Speaker 1: them home oxygen. We gave them high dose of ivermectin.
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  Speaker 1: We did everything we could. And it was amazing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they survived. It was very gratifying.
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  Speaker 2: So you think it was probably a combination of all
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  Speaker 2: the different medications and all the different treatments?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I would vary my approach depending on the severity,
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  Speaker 1: the comorbidities. I mean, it's an art, not a– you know,
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  Speaker 1: a protocol is a guideline, right? But every patient is
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  Speaker 1: sort of individual. And so for the patients, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the one patient I'm thinking of, I mean, he had–
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  Speaker 1: history of two heart attacks. He had a history of
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  Speaker 1: throat cancer. He came in with an oxygen level. It
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  Speaker 1: was below 80. I can't remember exactly what it was,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, so I just did everything, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I took everything that I could and gave it to
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  Speaker 1: him and it worked. But, and I had a few
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  Speaker 1: people like that, but you know, if a 20 year
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  Speaker 1: old came in, I'd probably just give him some ivermectin and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it just depends.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you decide to try ivermectin, even though there
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  Speaker 2: was all this negative propaganda?
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  Speaker 1: Well, because I had patients coming to see me who
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  Speaker 1: needed help. I mean, I just wasn't going to shut
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  Speaker 1: my door. I'd already established I could help people with
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  Speaker 1: monoclonal antibodies. So I still had people coming to me
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  Speaker 1: seeking help. And I just didn't have the heart to
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  Speaker 1: say no. And I knew it was safe. So I
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  Speaker 1: knew that, you know, it was a little bit iffy,
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  Speaker 1: but I knew it was safe. And there was good
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  Speaker 1: data showing it worked. It's just You know, one thing,
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  Speaker 1: you can find a study to support any argument you
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  Speaker 1: want in medicine. I learned that in residency. All residents
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  Speaker 1: learn that. We have something called journal club where you
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  Speaker 1: sit down once a week and you pour through different articles.
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  Speaker 1: And the takeaway is most articles are, you know, crap.
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  Speaker 1: They're not, they're not, they're low power or they're, they're
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  Speaker 1: conflicts of interest or, you know, they're not, they're designed poorly.
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  Speaker 1: So You know, my mindset coming into the pandemic was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the research, the journals are a starting point.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not the final say is your own clinical
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  Speaker 1: experience and what you're seeing. And, you know, we had
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  Speaker 1: never seen COVID before. This is a brand new entity.
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  Speaker 1: So we were learning on the fly. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've never treated this many patients with a single disease before.
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  Speaker 1: in my career. I'm sure I never will again. And
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  Speaker 1: so you quickly become an expert and, you know, doctor,
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  Speaker 1: I can't speak for all doctors, but we like to
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  Speaker 1: do well. We like our patients to get better. It's gratifying.
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  Speaker 1: That's how it's sort of how you get job satisfaction
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  Speaker 1: is seeing your patients do well. So why would I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, continue to have, you know, COVID patients come
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  Speaker 1: in if I couldn't help them? And it's astounding to
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  Speaker 1: me that the doctors in the hospitals just didn't pivot,
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  Speaker 1: didn't try new things. And I guess they were handcuffed by,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the hospital administrators. But it just seems to
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  Speaker 1: me that, you know, there was a doctor in Houston,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Verone, who I'm pretty good friends with, who a
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  Speaker 1: critical care doctor, and he was one of the founders
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  Speaker 1: of FLCCC, which is sort of the, they developed the
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  Speaker 1: original protocols for ivermectin. And Dr. Verone had much better
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  Speaker 1: success than most other doctors. His overall success rate was 4.4%
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  Speaker 1: of his patients died, whereas in other hospitals averaged around 20%.
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  Speaker 1: And he did, he threw the kitchen sink at people.
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  Speaker 1: And he basically followed this FLCCC hospital protocol.
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  Speaker 2: So when the monoclonal antibodies were suppressed, what was the messaging? Like,
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  Speaker 2: what did they say to doctors?
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  Speaker 1: They said that the... strain of the virus was no
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  Speaker 1: longer covered so that it had evolved and it wouldn't work.
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  Speaker 2: At the same time they're using the exact same vaccine. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And they had switched the monoclonal antibodies periodically. So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like they started with one and stuck with it
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  Speaker 1: the whole time. They switched it as things evolved.
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  Speaker 2: It was really clear. And the propaganda was shocking because
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  Speaker 2: you We've all seen propaganda with foreign conflicts, weapons of
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  Speaker 2: mass destruction, all that jazz. We've all seen propaganda. But
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  Speaker 2: when Rolling Stone magazine printed an article saying that people
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  Speaker 2: were– the hospitals were overflowing with people overdosing on ivermectin
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  Speaker 2: and gunshot victims couldn't get in. And then they used
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  Speaker 2: a stock photo, which was of a bunch of people
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  Speaker 2: wearing winter coats in like– I think it was– I
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  Speaker 2: think the article was August in Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the whole thing was, it was so brazen and
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  Speaker 2: sloppy and obvious, especially in the age of Google. If
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  Speaker 2: this had all gone down in the 1980s, we would
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  Speaker 2: all be in the dark. We would have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: We would have been like, wow, I guess Ivermectin is
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  Speaker 2: killing people. We wouldn't have known until like 2030. You know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: people would have like, you have been a conspiracy theorist.
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  Speaker 2: You've been a crazy person. Like, One of those people
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  Speaker 2: that could tell you all the facts about the Kennedy
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  Speaker 2: assassination with wild eyes all over stone. But it was
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  Speaker 2: so obvious and it was so confusing because I had
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  Speaker 2: had people on my podcast before where I had doctors
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  Speaker 2: on and I would talk about foolish people that don't
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: believe in traditional medicine, like people that want to try
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: different things, like people that were anti-vaccine or anti-anything. These
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: are the best people at the front of the line.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Trust them. five years later, I'm like, don't trust anybody.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: They're all compromised. It's all money. And that was the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: most disheartening thing. The propaganda was disheartening, but it was
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: that the whole system is compromised. And then when I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: found out that pharmaceutical drug companies are, they're the ones
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: that are funding studies and that they could have a
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: whole ton of studies. They don't have to divulge all
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the data from their studies. They only have to show
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you some studies that were carefully crafted to show efficacy.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: But all the other studies that they had that even
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: showed negative effects, they could bury those. They weren't held responsible.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is this? But it's like everything
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: in the world when money gets involved.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: You know, that Rolling Stone tweet is still up. I
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: found it yesterday. I couldn't believe it.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Look at that. Look at these people wearing winter coats.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: So apparently this was a bunch of people that were
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: waiting in line for the flu shot. Gunshot victims. All
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: those people got shot. What the fuck is going on
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: in Oklahoma? They're just shooting folks. They think it's the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Wild West out there. Imagine if those were all gunshot.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: But look how crazy that article is or that tweet is.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Gunshot victims left waiting as horse dewormer overdoses overwhelm Oklahoma.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: By the way, zero horse dewormers there.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Zero.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: It was a total lie.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And, you know, even last Friday, Vanity Fair did an
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: article on Maha and Cali Means. And they quoted me
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: in it. And in their description of me, they used
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: horse dewormer. I could not believe it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Still!
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Catherine Ebon, the reporter for Vanity Fair.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And she buddied up to me, acted like we were
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: good friends.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: That's how they always do it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I learned a valuable lesson.
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  Speaker 2: It's so dirty. It's such a dirty business. God, I
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: used to have massive respect for journalists. If I had
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: never done this podcast, I'd be your regular schmo out
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: there with, you know, just spitting out all the company
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: lines that all the blast all over the news. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: kind of liked it better then.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It was a lot easier, right? Ignorance is bliss.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't think the world was filled with demons, money
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: hungry demons that are willing to sacrifice human lives in
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the pursuit of of revenue. It's crazy.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: That's why we have to continue this fight because people
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: have lost all trust with good reason.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: With good reason. That's why I'm having you on. That's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: why I continue to talk. People are like, stop with
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the COVID already. I get it, folks. If this is
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: not for you, move on. Mary and I will still
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: be bitching about this for the next three years. Well,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: you know, for me, it was just, it was such
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a wake-up call because it's so weird to see your
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: face on TV green, first of all. That was weird.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And then this term horse dewormer. I'm like, why you
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: guys aren't concentrating on the fact that a 55-year-old man
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: is fine three days later during the worst strain? It
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: was during the Delta where everybody's freaking out. This one's
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: going to kill us all. And I was fine in
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: three days. And I made this video. I'm like, I'm
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: sorry I have to cancel the concert this weekend. You know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I got COVID. But I'm good now. And then I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: didn't think that was going to be anything. I thought
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that was just going to be the people that bought
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: tickets to see Dave Chappelle and I. In New Orleans.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And that was going to, was it Nashville? Wherever it was.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: That's all it was going to be. Those folks are
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: going to be upset. I'm sorry. You know, we'll make
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: it up to you. Your tickets still count. That's all
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be. I thought it
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: was going to be like a normal tweet that I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: put out or a normal Instagram post that I put out.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden I hear that Neil
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Young wants to be removed from Spotify. I was like,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Spotify got calls from two former presidents. Really?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: What about.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Did they de-platform? Did you get censored or de-platformed in
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: any way?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: No, I grew by 2 million subscribers in a month. Right.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I did. Because people started listening. Because they made it
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: sound like I was this maniac. And they started listening like, oh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: he's really reasonable and pretty humble about all this stuff.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Just asking questions and bringing people on. Like Dr. Robert
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Malone who has nine patents... in the invention of mRNA
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: vaccine technology. Like he's one of the, he took it himself.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: He was reporting his insane adverse side effect where he
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: almost died. He was telling about it and they labeled
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: him a kook for that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: What made you so awake though? Well, that. Just Malone?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: No, well, Malone, Peter McCullough. But I've always been the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: type of person that is like, If someone is saying
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: something and they have rock solid connect, Dr. Peter McCullough
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: is the most published physician in his field in human history.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Like this is a incredibly well-respected doctor up until he
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: took a moral and ethical stand saying that this is
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: not what they're saying. This is not what we should
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: be doing. And then destroyed. They tried to destroy his career.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: He's had a horrible life.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: It's insane. But the man has incredible courage and he
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: was labeled all– when I would tell people he's the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: most published physician in time, you'd see their eyes glaze away.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: They didn't want to hear it. I'm like maybe he's right. Well,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: five years later, we know he's right. We know he
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: was right. He was right all along. I mean the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: whole– so for me, when there's– there's always a bunch
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of people that are ideologically or financially captured. And then
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: there's people that feel morally obligated to tell the truth.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And you can spot those people. And when I spotted
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a few of them, I'm like, okay, let me hear
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: them out. I might be the guy that goes, no,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: this guy's a kook and he's going to cost people lives.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Or I might be someone who goes, hey, everybody, hit
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the brakes. Like you might be getting bamboozled here. And
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: especially the real concern with any sort of a new
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: drug is always the side effects. But when you have indemnity...
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: When you have complete immunity for any financial liability, like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the vaccine manufacturers do, and all you have to do
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: is label it a vaccine because that's not a traditional vaccine.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: It's just not. They changed the definition for mRNA vaccine technology.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Before that, it was not that. It was a very
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: different thing. We all had in our head vaccines are good.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: That's why they don't get sued because we need vaccines.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: And then, unfortunately, I read Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 's book.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: The real Anthony Fauci. I was like, oh, my God.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: What was your initial thought about the COVID shot? I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was ready to take it. Did you take it?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't take it. But that's why they were
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: so mad at me. I was ready to take it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The UFC had allocated shots for all the Johnson & Johnson,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: for all their employees. And I showed up there on
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: a Saturday, which was the day of the fights. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I said, can you give it to me? And they said, yeah, sure.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Let's call the doctor. We'll set it up. I thought
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I was going to get a shot. I thought it
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: was like a flu shot. Like, I'll get that shot
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: and I'll go do the broadcast. I was going to
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: do the broadcast. I didn't think anything of it. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: was not worried about it at all. And they said, no,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you have to come to the clinic and do it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Could you do that on Monday? And I said, I can't,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: but I'll be back in two weeks. During the time
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that I was trying to get it and then in
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: two weeks later when the next fights were, it got
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: pulled from the market because of blood clots. And then
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: two people I knew had strokes. And I was like,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: hold the fuck up. And then I got real nervous
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: because there was a lot of family members that were
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: like really pushing it. You need to get vaccinated. Everyone
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: should get vaccinated. Have you gotten vaccinated? Get vaccinated. We
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: all need to do our part. We all need to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: get vaccinated. And, you know, then I became a heretic.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Then I was like, okay, I don't think I want
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to do it. And I had a bunch of friends
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: that had horrible side effects, including one of them who
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: is a young guy who is a pacemaker now.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: His heart stopped beating for like nine seconds at a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: time and he would black out. It was wild shit
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was happening. And I was like, I don't understand why
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: this isn't on the news. I don't understand. And then
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my God, I'm the news. I'm like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I have to be the news. I don't want to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: be the news. I like talking shit. I like having
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a bunch of comedians here. We have laughs. We get silly.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Have a few drinks. Watch some funny videos. Crack each other.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Have fun. Or scientists. I like to have fascinating people
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: in here. Tell me how the cosmos was formed. I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: don't want to be someone who distributes information to the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: masses it's been lied to. That's not– I don't have
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: any lofty goals like that. Like I want to be
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the one who tells the truth. And that's not what
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just a curious person who talks to people.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Was it hard for you to get ivermectin?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: No. I got it from India like that. I got
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: boxes of it. I was handing it out to everybody.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I think we still have some laying around here.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Most people don't have to go to India to get
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: their medicine.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I know. Well, that was after my doctor had got
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: it for me. My doctor got it for me. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: think I fucked it up for everybody. I think me
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: becoming the attack boy when they went after me, I
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: don't think they would have attacked anybody that didn't have
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a large platform like that. And I don't think they
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: would– I should say it better. I don't think they
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: would have attacked ivermectin the way they did. I think
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: they would have just suppressed it and it wouldn't have
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: been a public thing because it wouldn't have gone out.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I think the problem was me saying that. The crazy
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: thing is I said all that other stuff too. I
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: said IV vitamins. I said Z-Pak, prednisone. I told them
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: all the things my doctor put me on. And all
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: they concentrated on was this ivermectin thing. I was like,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: this is wild. Like what is going on? And then
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, am I wrong about ivermectin? And then
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I started just reading about the scientists, the team that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: invented it and how they won a Nobel Prize. I'm like, okay.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: what the hell is happening? Like, this is nuts. This
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: is so weird.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Well, it was all part of the, you know, getting
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the shot in every arm. And that's, they had to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: go after ivermectin. I mean, they launched a war on ivermectin.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Pierre Corey wrote a book about it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yes. I had Pierre on early on too.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And I actually sued the FDA over that horse tweet
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and we won. It hasn't really changed anything, but So
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the FDA, when they put that information or misinformation out
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: against ivermectin, they were really crossing. a line because they're
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: not allowed to tell the public you can't take a
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: medication for this or you should take a medication for
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: that they're basically allowed to just approve medications and move
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: on I mean they can issue a safety alert if
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: there's something that comes up but they're not allowed to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: really direct patients and that's what they did And so
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: we did sue them and we won and they had
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to take down the horse tweet and they had to
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: take down the misinformation on their Web site. But unfortunately,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: as you know, evidenced by what just happened on Vanity Fair,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, the brand of it being only for animals
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: still lives on and, you know, be great.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: What happened at Vanity Fair?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: So the reporter still used the term horse dewormer.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, with the restarted green.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Wild. Right. Wild. You're still a little horse dewormer pusher.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: In 2025.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Right. When Chris Cuomo is out there talking about how
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: he's taking it for long COVID.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: But it would be great if the FDA could issue
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: some sort of statement.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: You know, saying that it is safe, that it is
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: used in humans. They don't have to say much more
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: than that. But, you know. we could use a little
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: help in rebranding ivermectin. And there are also a bunch
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of states that are trying to make it over the counter.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've seen that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Seventeen states have had bills in the last legislative session
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: trying to get ivermectin over the counter. Three have been successful,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: so Tennessee, Idaho, and Arkansas. Four is still in deliberations,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and 10, they failed. But another thing the FDA, I believe,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: should do is make ivermectin over the counter because Because
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: people are basically going to the feed store. I mean,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: my own kid, he had some sort of scabies situation
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: in West Texas over the weekend. He had to go
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to the feed store to get treatment. And, yeah, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: did a poll on Twitter. Fifty-two percent of the respondents
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: said they go to the feed store to get their ivermectin.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Is there any difference in the ivermectin from the feed store?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard of anybody
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: having issues, but it's just unnecessary. This is America.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: We should be able to get the medication very easily.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And there is some sort of an efficacy for some
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: sort of skin infections. Is that true?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Scabies is one of them.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: But you use it topically? Is that how it's used?
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: You can. I mean, for scabies, actually, you can take
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it orally.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, so we shouldn't have to go to India.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't have to go to the feed store. We
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: should be able to just go to, I mean, in Mexico.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: The guy from India, he still emails me. Do you
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: need any more, my friend?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That kind of worries me.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I just bought boxes. I was handing out boxes to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: people because so many people were telling me they couldn't
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: get it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And so I'm like, let me just get a lot
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: of it while I still can. Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's probably fine, but it's just unnecessary.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: People are giving it to me at shows.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: They were as gifts. I carry around my purse. I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: like rummaging for something. Oh, here's my ivermectin.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know people that take it as a prophylactic
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: all the time. Oh, yeah. It's just what a weird
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: drug to go after that was on the World Health
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Organization's list of essential medicines.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: How many people who had yellow fever and river blindness,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: all sorts of different parasitic infections.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: It won a Nobel Prize.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And it showed that it stopped viral replication in vitro.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: They knew that. I remember when I brought that up
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to Sanjay Gupta. It was like, but you know it does, right?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: And you can see the look on his face where
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: it's like he couldn't talk about that. He had to
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: skirt around it and just do his best. But it
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: was like, this is kind of crazy to make an
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: off-label medication so taboo. And then to stop monoclonal antibodies,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: just stop them. Well, you couldn't get them. My friend,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: one of his bunnies was in the hospital, and because
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: he was in the hospital, they wouldn't give him monoclonal antibodies.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. If you cross that threshold, you are not
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: going to get monoclonal antibodies.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: What is that about? Does that make any sense to you?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Well, they did it by the day. Apparently, there was
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: some data showing if you gave it too late in
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the time course, it actually makes things worse.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: How many people did they give it to that were
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: too late? How do we know this? It's a little suspicious.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: It does seem suspicious because if you've shown something to
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: be very effective done early on, wouldn't you assume it
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: would continue to be at least somewhat effective?
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Now, if you're trying to stop someone who's on the
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: brink of death, which this gentleman wound up dying and
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: they didn't get it to him. If you're just trying
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: to stop.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: You can't do it because you're in the hospital? Because
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you're admitted?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: You should have like crazy data that shows like after 14,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: your feet fall off. 14 days of infection, your feet
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: fall off, you go blind if you take it, can't
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: give it to you.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: And my theory is they probably had a massive inflammatory
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: response because we would see that, that people would get
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the monoclonal antibodies and they would just feel like complete
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: hell that night because it was like a little war
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: going on in the body.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: And then they would wake up the next day feeling great.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've had that experience, but.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I pretty much did.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So the second week of illness was the massive inflammatory response.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: So my thinking is the monoclonal antibodies may have just
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: exacerbated that, but they could have counteracted that with high-dose steroids.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And that was another thing. They gave these like piddly
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: doses of steroids in the hospital.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: And what steroids in particular?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Methylprednisolone or solumedrol was what we typically used if we
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: were in the hospital.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Is that prednisone, what I took? Is that the same thing?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: No.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Well, prednisone's an oral. There are different types. But I
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: usually do a medrol dose pack rather than prednisone because
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: it's been shown to help better with respiratory. It's not
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a huge deal. But in the hospitals, they could give
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: solumedrol and high doses of that. But they were giving
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: very small doses of steroid, which is a problem.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Well, that's also one of the things that they
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: talked about in the RFK Jr. book, was that the
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: studies that were saying that it was ineffective, the studies
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: were not using the protocol that these doctors were using.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And it seemed like these studies were designed to fail. Exactly.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And, you know, like I said, You can find
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: a study to support or go against anything you want, basically.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: So I just relied on my clinical experience. And I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: just had so many people saying, wow, it really made
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a big difference. And I saw people staying out of
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the hospital and it wasn't hurting anybody. But yeah, a
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: lot of those studies were basically designed to fail. Either
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the dose wasn't high enough or they gave it too
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: late or it was heavily funded by somebody that doesn't
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: want it to succeed.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It's, it's all very bizarre. Like really, it's really bizarre
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to live through. And for you as a person who were,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: was out of medicine and then said, jump back in
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: six months before all this, like, what is it like
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: to have your worldview sort of like spun around like that? Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It's just, I mean, it's good and bad. Like I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: feel sorry for the people that don't get it in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Um, but I just never thought
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it would come to all this. You know, I, I,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't go back to work to have a huge,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: huge career. I was just basically trying to stay busy and,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you know, active.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And help people.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But I didn't envision this at all. It's been very impactful.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I'll say that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: What has it been like, like, having to do this?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Having to do all these podcasts. Yeah. It's wild.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not what I envisioned at all. But it's been,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel vindicated finally. At least I'm not
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: embarrassed to go to the school functions anymore or show
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: up at the sporting events. Or, you know, I used
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to be scared to go to the grocery store because
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: they just, they came after me so hard. And Houston,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, Houston Methodist Hospital is sort of the country club,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the elite of the hospitals. And so for
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: them to come after me was a big deal. It's
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: hard to get privileges there. You know, their tagline is
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: leading medicine, and they were very proud of being the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: first hospital in the country to mandate the shots. They
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: didn't need to go after me. I mean, I was nothing.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I was, you know, I saw a lot of COVID patients,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: but in the grand scheme of things, I really wasn't,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I was not really doing anything.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: It's the Streisand effect, right?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: They attacked you, and by doing so, they made the
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: whole thing way bigger than it needed to be.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But they did silence other doctors. I mean, I hear
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: from doctors all the time that won't say anything because
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: of what they did to me. Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of doctors that I know that
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: were in danger of losing their license because they had
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: prescribed ivermectin.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And that was another thing. The Federation of State Medical Boards,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: which is this private entity, they're actually located in Texas,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: who oversees all the state medical boards and They sent
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: out a directive to all the state medical boards concerning ivermectin,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: concerning misinformation, and basically encouraging the medical boards to go
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: after doctors like myself. And I mean, I'm still tangled
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: up with the medical board trying to clear my name.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: But they did that. It all happened in that fall
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: of 2021, right when Biden mandated the shots. They really
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: came down hard on the doctors.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: So what did they do specifically to you?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So I got several complaints, but only one of them
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: is really stuck. The others I've cleared my name on,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: but they're all involving ivermectin. No patient harm. The one
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that has stuck is from a hospital in Dallas called
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Texas Hughley Hospital. And there was this man a sheriff's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: deputy father of six who's basically dying they were talking
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: hospice and his wife wanted him to have the opportunity
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to try ivermectin and he had tried to get it
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: before getting in the hospital and couldn't find a doctor
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: willing to prescribe it so wife knew he was okay
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: with it um And so she sued the hospital. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: then she asked me to come on as sort of
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the expert. They had to have a doctor who was
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: willing to prescribe it because they can't force the doctors
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to prescribe a medication. But they could force the hospital
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: to give a doctor privileges who was willing to prescribe it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So that's where I came in. And we won the case.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And the hospital had a court order saying that they
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: were going to give me emergency temporary privileges so that
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I could go into the hospital and give him ivermectin. Well,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: there was all this, you know, stall tactics. They were
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: supposed to give me the privileges the same day. And
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: in other circumstances at that time, because of the pandemic,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: they were giving doctors same day privileges. It wasn't this
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: lengthy application process because there was a shortage of doctors.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: But for me, they made me submit my surgical case
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: log for the last three years. They made me get
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: three letters of recommendation. They made me fill out like
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a 30 page application. I got it all done in
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: 24 hours. And then they're like, no, no, we're actually
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: going to deny you privileges. So it turned out into
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: this big battle. It became very confusing because they had
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to go back to the judge. And I finally got
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the green light, though. The lawyer's like, we can go.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: You've got the green light, the judge. We got the order.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: There's no stay on the order. I send a nurse
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: to the hospital because this is in Dallas and I'm
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: in Houston. Shows up with the court order and the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: police greet her and turn her away. There's not a
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: big scene. She leaves, but she's not allowed to give
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: him ivermectin. It turns out they did get a stay,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: but our lawyers weren't aware of it at the time.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: But this is what they're going after me. They said
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: that I sent a nurse to the hospital without privileges
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: and I caused a scene and I harmed other patients
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: by doing this. And it has been, I mean, it's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: three and a half years. They can't find an expert
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: witness to testify against me. There have been three continuances.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: They finally were awarded summary judgment against me. So they've
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: decided I'm guilty. And now I'm waiting for my punishment.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: There was a hearing about a month ago to find
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: out what they're going to fine me with and that
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. And I'm just waiting on that. But
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I do plan on appealing. It's just gotten crazy.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Wow. So the first thing they attacked you with was what?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: What was the first one?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: For the medical board?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I had one pharmacist turn me in because we sort
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: of got in a pissing match on the phone. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: this is in 2021? That might have been, I can't remember,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: but around that time. I had another, I had a
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: father reach out to me, a 17-year-old, had a history
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: of a kidney transplant. And they were going to Europe
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and they wanted to have ivermectin just in case he
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: got sick. And I was talking to the dad and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the stepmother. I didn't realize I wasn't talking to the mother.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So the mother found out I prescribed him ivermectin and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: turned me in. But ivermectin is metabolized by the liver,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: not the kidney. So it would be no harm for
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: him to get, you know, I was having had a
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: kidney transplant for him to get ivermectin. And he never
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: took the medicine. But it cost me $ 16, 000 in legal
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: fees to get that straightened out.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: So this was your first... Like, oh, my God, this
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: is a real battle.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I've never been in any trouble.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I've never been sued.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Would it feel weird publicly yet? Like when you were
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: saying you were having a hard time going to the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: grocery store, you're worried.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: That was when Methodist came after me. So Methodist.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: They came after you very publicly yeah they.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Tweeted about me they went to the i found out
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that my privileges were suspended from a text message from
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: a reporter that's how i found out i looked at
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: my phone like what are you talking about.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: I did i said check your sources i don't know
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: what you're talking about and then i go to my
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: email and they suspended me and then they tweeted about
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: it and it went you know i had cnn washington
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: post going after me it was it was it was Traumatic,
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: I mean I was just a you know, a mom
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: of four with a small practice and all of a
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: sudden I've got CNN calling me.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: So What did what was going through your mind why
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: that was happening?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Spent the weekend in the fetal position and a lot
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: of tears and then I was like I was pissed
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and I and I just on Monday, you know, I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: hired a lawyer and I hired a guy to help
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: me with the press and And I held a press
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: conference on Monday. I resigned and then I sued them.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So and then I just have been working to try
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to clear my name.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Wow. But it's just it's so hard to imagine for
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: someone who's never experienced what you went through, what that
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: must be like emotionally to just get thrown to the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: wolves and in front of the world, like publicly, by
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: people like CNN, where it gets so weird because if
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: that never happens to you, you look at CNN and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: you go, oh, they're the news. They're gonna tell me
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the truth. I just automatically thought that. Or they're at
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: least saying what they're allowed to say. Maybe the government
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: holds back some information, but they're not gonna lie. And
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: then I, you see my own self on TV, and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, but I'm used to being attacked for things.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I think the harder was, you know, CNN, whatever, but
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it's more just the locally, like going to the grocery store,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: going to the baseball game with your kids playing and
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: like hoping, you know, sitting in a corner because you
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: don't want anybody to see you.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Did anybody ever bother you?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: No, honestly, no. But you just feel self, you just
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: feel very self-conscious. It's hard not to.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Even now, I still feel self-conscious, but it's a lot better.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. I had a Mother's Day event at school,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and people actually came up and said nice things to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: me for once. So that was nice.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people got red-pilled, to use the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: matrix expression, where they woke up to what's really going on.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of a masterful job of propaganda
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: over the years that the pharmaceutical drug companies have done.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, because most people aren't even aware. Of how
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: many drugs get pulled. They're not aware of the high
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: percentage of them.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: What is it, in the 30s? Well, yes, about 33%.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: They looked at it over 10 years. 33% had significant
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: safety warnings on the drugs. And it took about four
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: years for those to become recognized. I mean, they're drugs
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I used to prescribe that are no longer on the market.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Like I said, any other drug would have definitely been
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: pulled by now based on all the adverse events we've seen.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: But it's just very profitable. And that's what people have
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to wake up to. There's a bunch of factors, right?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: There's the primary one, which is a bunch of scientists
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that are really trying to help people. And they're really
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: trying to develop new ways to cure Parkinson's and all
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: sorts of other problems and cancer. And these people are
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: just constantly... And then there's the money people. The money
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: people who take that thing and say, how do we
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: give OxyContin to everybody? And then you have the Sackler family, right?
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: You have evil. You have actual evil. Maybe they don't
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: have horns. Maybe they don't have a forked tail. But
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: that's a demonic thing to do. You're infecting people with
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: essentially something that turns them into a zombie. And it's
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: killing people. But you're going to make a lot of money.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: In health, too.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Especially in health.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because you're so trusted. You're coming from a
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: position of authority. It's a very different thing. Especially in
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: an area where most people are woefully ignorant. I mean,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: look how many doctors who are practicing doctors who are
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: woefully ignorant about nutrition.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: It's an enormous amount. Right. Now imagine the average person
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: who has to go to a specialist about something and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: they're being told, oh, you need Vioxx. This is this
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: thing I'm going to give you and it's going to
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: cure your arthritis. Like, oh, great. And then you fucking
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: stroke out. Yeah.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: And.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: The people who made that drug knew it was going
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: to cause problems in people. In the emails that were
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: admitted during the hearings when they lost or during the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: court proceedings, they wound up paying a fraction of what
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: they made. They made like $ 12 billion. They had to
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: pay– I think they had to pay five. So they
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: made seven with its costs and stuff. Stuff costs money.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But Jesus, it's so hard to wake up to that.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: It's so hard to like– go, oh, wait, so they're
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: not looking out for us? They're not trying to make
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: us better? I always thought they were the people that
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: were the most wonderful people in the world. They're the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: people that are providing the medication that's keeping everyone alive.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: This is why our life expectancy is 100 years old now,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: as opposed to just 20 years ago.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, great.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Life expectancy has gone down, actually.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Whoops. Whoops.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Despite all the vaccines.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And vaccines are even their own special class, right? It's
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a religion. It's a gospel. I mean, it was never
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: questioned in my training. Never.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I would have never questioned it. Not only that, I
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: would not talk to anybody who did. I'd be like,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: get out of here. I'm not having an anti-vaxxer on
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the show. Fuck off. But after reading Suzanne Humphrey's book,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: and I had her on recently, reading that book, was like, what?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. What? And then just this can't be true.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And then just look at the raw data of like
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: when the vaccines were introduced and also when hygiene was
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: introduced and sanitation was introduced and then massive drop off
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: of the disease. And then at the very end, when
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: it's almost gone, vaccines are introduced in almost every case.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: And yet we all are thinking, like, thank God vaccines
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: exist because otherwise we'd all have polio. Like, oh, Christ.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It bothers me that I never questioned it.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Never would have. The polio one blew me away. When
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: you find out that that was the same time where
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: they were using DDT everywhere and the people that were
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: getting polio first were people in rural farmland communities where
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: they sprayed DDT everywhere. And it wasn't just affecting people.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: It was affecting horses. And it doesn't cross species. So
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: it wasn't the same thing. Clearly something was going on
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: and everybody got locked into this polio scare. And to
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: this day, I've had, I had a friend use that
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: to me in a text message to me about like, look,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: we have to really appreciate that. You know, he was
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: like trying to make up for some stupid joke. And
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: he was saying that we, you know, look at Jonah
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Salk cure polio. I'm like, I don't have the time.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I don't have the time to sit down and tell
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: him there's a great book. It's called Dissolving Illusions. You
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: should read it. And then you should read Turtles All
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the Way Down. It's another great book. And then you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: should listen to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 's journey from
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: being a very respected and trusted environmental attorney who was
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: applauded by the left to being some nutcase pariah who
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I thought was a nutcase. I had to apologize to
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: him when I had him on the show. I said,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I have to tell you, when I first heard of you,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: And I thought you were a kook. You're this anti-vaccine kook.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I bought, I was living in L.A., working in Hollywood.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Whee!
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I bought into it. Hook, line, and sinker. Everybody around
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: me thought that way. So I thought we all, this
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: is what sensible, intelligent people think.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I don't think you can really convince people.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I think they have to figure it out for themselves.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: No, and they don't want to hear it. That's the thing.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: It's like telling someone their spaghetti monster in the sky
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: is not real. They don't want to hear it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: You just can't, right?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I've I've just given up. But there's hope. I mean,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you came around and you're not in the field, right?
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: And people, I think, you know, COVID directly impacted every
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: single American and not in a good way, right?
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: No, there's nothing good about it. The only thing good
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: about it was a shift in perspective.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: And that it's going to be way harder to pull
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: some shit off like this again.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: People are not going to buy into it, especially all
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: those vaccine injured people who keep getting gas lit. Why
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: do they keep calling it long COVID? How come nobody
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I know wasn't vaccinated got long COVID? Right, right. What
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: is this long COVID you speak of? Is there a
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: long flu? Where's the long pneumonia? What the fuck are
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you talking about? Why are you calling it? Is it
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: possible that this is a vaccine injury? I'm just asking.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I've been looking at antibody levels in these
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: people and it's alarming. So we really don't have a
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: lot of tests for vaccine injured. It's- Hard because they'll
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: get the million-dollar workup. By the time they come to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: see me, they've gone through multiple tests, multiple doctors.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: It's not really a million dollars, is it, the workup?
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. It's a lot. I'm exaggerating.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I just want to be clear.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: From some Vanity Fair case.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, exactly. Horst D.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Wormer, who claimed there was a million-dollar markup.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Actually, somebody should fact-check me on that. It's probably higher
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: than a million, but— So they go through the workup,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and then they can't find a test to prove that
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: they're injured. So the doctors will put them on psychiatric medication.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: They'll put them on sleeping pills and benzodiazepines and antidepressants. Literally,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I saw a patient was put on all three. So
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the only test that I have found that does seem
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to correlate is this antibody test. It's a spike protein
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: antibody test. LabCorp has it. That's where I send people.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Quest has it, but they put the upper limit is
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: too low. So you don't really get a good sense,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: but it, you know, the upper limit of the test
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: is 25,000 and people that have not gotten the COVID shots,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I'd say it ranges usually under a thousand. And then
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: people that have gotten the shots, I mean, it's a
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: lot of them are off the chart. They're over 25,000,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: but on average, they're probably 10 times higher than the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: people have not gotten the shot And this is people
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: who were, you know, they were vaccinated four years ago.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like they just got the shot. You know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: obviously COVID is not an issue anymore in terms of,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: you know, people getting sick. But four years later, you
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: should not have sky high antibody levels. And that's what
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing. And that is alarming. It just suggests that
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: there is a lot of spike protein still in the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: body causing problems.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And haven't they shown that the spike protein continues to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: be produced in the body up to 700 days later?
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's one study. What's interesting in that study,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the antibody levels were really low, which doesn't make sense.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So I kind of questioned the whole study. But yeah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see it. I mean, I see patients.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I still see vaccine-injured patients coming to me
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: for the first time years later. Last week, I probably
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: saw six new vaccine-injured patients. And they're not getting any help.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: The government, it's called the CICP. It's a countermeasures injury
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: compensation program. They're supposed to help these patients. They have
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: denied 98% of people that have applied for assistance. On average,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I think they've awarded 30 people, 30 of all the
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: vaccine injured that have applied, 30 people. On average, the
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: award is like $ 4, 000 for these people. It's horrible. I mean,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: these people's lives are just destroyed. These are not easy
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: things to treat. It's not like I can give them
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: an antibiotic and they're good to go and they're fine.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're very challenging. We don't have a lot
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of guidance. I do see a lot of success with ivermectin,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: but it's slow going. It's usually months of trying to
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: help them. And the government really needs to help these
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: people because there's a lot of people suffering now. And
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: they're getting completely ignored. The other issue is we don't
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: even have a code. So every disease has a numerical code,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: and it's called an ICD-10 code. It's what they use
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: to compensate people for the insurance companies use them, but
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: also for tracking. So if you have, you know, COVID
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: has its own little code, and you can just dial
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: in the code and get all the numbers. They don't
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: have a code for vaccine injury. They have a code
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: for vaccine hesitancy. They don't have a code for injury.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: So all these people are just sort of– they're getting
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: all these diagnoses, but there's no way to track them.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: It's a big problem.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: How convenient.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I would imagine the real problem with paying people
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: is you'd have to pay so many.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: We can just print the money. I don't know what
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the problem is.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you give them? What if you
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: find out you have myocarditis and your life expectancy is
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: greatly reduced and we know for a fact it came
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: out of this vaccine? What do you give a person
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: like that?
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Their life's wages? What wages that they would have potentially earned?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: What if it's Katy Perry?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Well, so be it.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? You have to give her
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: $ 2 billion?
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: What do you do?
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: The vaccine companies can pay that money.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I know, but it's insane. The number of people that
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I personally know. What's very shocking to me is when
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I talk to people that are pro-vaccine, still pro-vaccine, and
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: when I be very specific, mRNA vaccine, still pro-COVID vaccine
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: that will tell me they don't know anybody who was
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: injured by it.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, how is that possible?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: How many people do you know?
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I know a lot. Yeah. I know two people on pacemakers.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Two. And they're young people.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody knows somebody.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a lot of people that got fucked up.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: including family members. I know a lot of people that
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: got fucked up and people that don't want to admit
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: they got fucked up. All of a sudden they have
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: this new cancer that's spreading like rapidly. It's terrifying. You know,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: it's like I watched the Danny Jones podcast and you
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: guys were trying to get Casey Means, Callie Means to
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: talk about SV40.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Well, my thing with Callie, I actually talked to him
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: last night. Just why he will not go on record
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to state that COVID shots should be pulled off the market.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: And that, you know, that's the whole, he's the head of,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I look at him.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's being political? That's trying to like
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: appease too many people? What do you think that is?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I can't read their minds, but I think it's, I
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: think anybody with a big microphone who is in a
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: position of power and who knows the truth is ethically
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: obligated to speak the truth. That's how I see it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a politician. I keep hearing the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: word strategy. But there are, you know, there are people
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I see. I'm just faced with the carnage every day
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: in my office. It's just I can't ignore it. And
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why this is so difficult other than,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: you know, political. But it shouldn't be political.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be. Right. That's what's disappointing, because we thought
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: that this administration come in, it was just going to
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: kick down doors.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Like this is it. Epstein list day one. Who killed JFK?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Let's find out. What are all these fucking UFOs?
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: That wasn't on my priority list.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I'm mine. I'm a dummy. That was my number one.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Out of those three, give me that one. Tell me
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: the aliens are real. But this political definition. this excuse
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: for that. So I really appreciated Jack Cruz kind of
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: pestering him on that. And then I've talked to Brett
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Weinstein about that as well. And he gave a breakdown
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: of how it actually happened and when the original– Kidney
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: cells from these monkeys were being used to make vaccines
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: that they inadvertently gave these people this simian virus 40,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: which when it gets into the human body can lead
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: to rapid cancer. Right.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's one of the cancer causing issues with
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: these shots. That's not the only one, though.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: It goes into the cell. It's supposed to not get
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: into the nucleus, but it could get in the nucleus.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: We know that it can get into the nucleus. And
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: then if it gets in the nucleus.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Well, at first they thought it was going to stay local.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: It's only going to stay in the arm, right?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: It's going to stay right where your arm is. Your
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: body will react to it. It will produce the antibodies.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: And then you're good to go. And then all these
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: silly people, you can watch them die in the streets
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: and laugh as you step over them. Ha, ha, ha.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I was smart.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I trusted the science.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So they know that that's not true. It doesn't
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: stay local. They know it doesn't dissipate within– it was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: a small amount of time that it was supposed to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: stay inside your body. They know that's not true. Right.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, they have– they replaced one of the nucleotides
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: with something that's hard to break down, pseudouridine. They've never
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: shown that pseudouridine is cleared from the body. There's no
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: study showing that we can clear it. So that could
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: be why these people have these sky-high antibody levels four
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: years later because the body might not be able to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: break it down.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's terrifying. What could
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: you conceive of that would help something like that? Like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: what could you do that would aid the body in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: being able to do something like that? Is there anything theorized?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish Robert Malone would be a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: good person to ask maybe.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: He should come back on and do a victory lap anyway.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: That guy was torn apart. They were trying so hard
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: to make him out to seem to be a kook.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: And every interview he would do, he would be so reasonable,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: so logical, so fact-based, and so knowledgeable. And they still,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: they still, he was a kook. He was a kook.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I remember some fucking guy yelled at me in, excuse me,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: yelled at me in Vegas. He said something about me
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: spreading disinformation. Then he said something about that idiot Malone.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that guy.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: The inventor of mRNA.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Or one of them. You know, I mean, it's, I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm sure this, it's not like, none of
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: those things ever happened in a vacuum. I'm sure there's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: a ton of people working on that. But he was
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: one of them. He's a fucking brilliant guy. So how
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: did they find out that it can get into the nucleus?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Well, if you look at lipid nanoparticles, and that's sort
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: of the... Otherwise, if you just put mRNA into the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: body without the lipid nanoparticle, it would get destroyed. So
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: they put it in the shell, the lipid nanoparticle, And
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: there are studies showing lipid nanoparticles can cross the nuclear membrane.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: So there's that. Kevin McKernan is a scientist. He's on
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: X a lot. He's done a lot of work in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: that showing DNA contamination that's getting into these shots in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: addition to the SV40.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: DNA contamination.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: So there's... And this was what Joe Latipo, the Surgeon
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: General of Florida, he has actually called for the COVID
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: shots to be pulled off the market. And his main
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: argument was there is a certain amount of DNA that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: is allowed in any kind of these products. And we
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: have proof that they have exceeded that threshold. So there
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: have been studies showing that there's excess DNA in these samples,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: which shouldn't be there. And that's just sort of this
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: hard line that shouldn't be crossed.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Where is this DNA coming from?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: In the production process, I guess. But it's pretty cut
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: and dry. I think that's why Dr. Latipo has chosen
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: this argument to go by, because there's just like a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: hard line that you don't cross, and they have crossed that.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: And what happens if you get too much DNA?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it can integrate. The concern is, does it integrate
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: into your cell DNA and mess things up?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Are we going to make monkey people?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: But cancer, that's right.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: You imagine if we made like hybrid people, they turn
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: out to look like Neanderthals. You know, like we injected
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: them with something that twisted their their genes back. But
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: just the idea of manipulating your DNA is so terrifying.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: It's like what? What?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Impregnant women. Right. Right.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Integrating.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: You know, be one thing if it's a 70 year
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: old man, but a pregnant woman.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: You hear that term? Integrate DNA. You don't think good things.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: That's like immediately I'm like, what?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: And these things are technically gene therapy products. They're not vaccines.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Which is a real problem with using the same term.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Why not use a new term? Well, because then you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be under the umbrella of protection that vaccines currently
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: enjoy where they can't be, which is so crazy. It's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: so crazy. It's just hard to believe it's true. It
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: really is. It is. And so for a person like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: you that just like you were saying, you see the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: carnage every day, tell me what it's been like. Like,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: what is it like?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: It's hard because as an ENT, I'm used to fixing
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: people quickly. So, you know, I get somebody with a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: sinus infection, get them an antibiotic, they're good to go.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I get somebody with an abscess, I drain the abscess,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: they're good to go. It's sort of why I chose
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: my specialty because I like to see the results quickly.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't go into primary care for a reason. Like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't And so when I see the injured, it's like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it's very slow growing, slow going. We don't
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: have a lot of research. It's trial and error. These
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: people are young. You were previously young and healthy and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: their lives have just been completely destroyed. I don't have
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: a big support system of other specialists I can send
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: them to. It's hard. I mean, I don't feel sorry
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: for myself, but I'm just saying it's just very different
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: from what I'm used to as a doctor. So I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: really hope that the government will step up and do
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: something about this.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a nice thing to hope to
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: do something about it. But it would be really nice
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: if some real research was done on what are the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: actual long-term effects. If everyone's looking at it from a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: position of, we can't get sued for this, this is dangerous. Like,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: someone has to look at it and say, well, these
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: are the definite effects of this vaccine. Because it's too much,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: this is long COVID. It's too much, oh, he got
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: a neurological condition that was going to happen anyway. It
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: just coincidentally happened after he took the COVID shot. Like,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: there's got to be some way to determine what of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: these ailments, like specifically, like when you're talking about that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: abnormal antibody levels, like Well, there are patterns.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely see the same sort of things
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: over and over again. So it's not like, you know.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: But as you said, it doesn't have a classification.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have a code. So we need an ICD-10
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: code for these.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: That seems kind of crazy.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Well... Imagine if that was the case with, like, herpes.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Everybody would be like, hey, put a damn code in
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: there so we know what this is. Right.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: But, you know, I see very similar constellation of symptoms.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: I see patients with these abnormal tremors, which... You know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: they can't stop shaking even when they're sleeping. They feel
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: internal vibrations.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, Jesus.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Or they'll have severe pain that you can't explain. You know,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: you get an MRI. There's no nerve damage that you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: can tell. I've seen some very strange rashes. And normally,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter what kind of rash it is.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: You throw a few meds at it and it will disappear.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: But actually, the only thing that I've found helpful is
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: ivermectin for these strange rashes. And you see POTS where
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: the blood pressure, that's the hardest, I think. And we're
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: seeing a lot of this where the blood pressure just
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: drops suddenly with no stimulation or the heart races with
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: no provocation. That is very common and very difficult to treat.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: That's a good friend of mine.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: He says every now and then his heart will just
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: jack up to like 180.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: And he has to sit down. And he just has
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: to hope that this isn't the last time he breathes.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: He just sits there. He has a heart monitor. One
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: of them wristwatch ones, the Garmin one. He just watches
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: his heart jack up to like 180 beats per minute,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: just sitting there for no reason, not knowing if you're
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: going to die. Another friend of mine who was really
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: young was a soccer player. Super healthy guy, super fit.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Gets the vaccine. All of a sudden, giant heart racing
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, like out of control,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: like you're running a seven-minute mile, just jack.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And he wound up in the hospital twice. Nothing they
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: could do. It all went away. It stopped. It went
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: back to normal after a while. But now he's got this, like,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: terrible fear that he's got a fucking time bomb in
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: his chest.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: That out of nowhere would just, his heart would just
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: ramp up. And you could say, like, oh, that was,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: it's probably a genetic thing. He probably had it already.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: It was like, maybe. But this guy was super fit. Yeah.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Super fit soccer player.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: And that's the athletes.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Sudden death and athletes. So it used to be 29
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: per year. That's 290 per year. Growth 10 times.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Dropping dead.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: The rarest of rare people to drop dead in the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. The best athletes in the world. The
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: people with the healthiest in the prime of their life.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: And I worry about these kids because, you know, my across.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: the primary symptom is chest pain. But if you've got
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: a kid who's not even speaking yet, you have no
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: idea if they have myocarditis. And myocarditis can leave a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: permanent scar on the heart and then lead to a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: lifelong increased risk of sudden cardiac death and relapse. We
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: have no idea if these kids have been affected.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: And how many kids did we see dropped out of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: heart attacks in like high school football this year? Like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: over the last four years, rather. It was like you'd
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: see these articles pop up all the time. You never
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: saw those articles. Or if you did, it was super rare.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: And it's some kid with a heart condition that was
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: never diagnosed, which does happen.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: And the schools are now making kids get cleared by
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a doctor before doing sports, which I don't remember that
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: when we were kids.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just threw us right onto the wrestling team.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: They didn't check shit. They didn't even see if you
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: had a cold. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's better.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: It's probably better to screen them. They'll find those undiagnosed
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: conditions that kids can have.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I just think it's in response to... what's happened.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, it certainly is. But I mean, that might be
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: the good aspect of it. Maybe some people will get
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: diagnosed that didn't have any idea that they were running
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: around with the problem and they can fix it.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: It's hard to diagnose. Like really the only way you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: can diagnose myocarditis for sure is to do either a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: biopsy or a cardiac MRI, which is, you know, most
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: kids are not going to be put through that.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Jesus. It's scary.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: And it's, what's crazy is This is all true, and
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: yet us talking about it makes us both look like kooks. Like,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: we then will be labeled, for sure, someone will go
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: out and attack us now and label us anti-vax, anti-science, kooks,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: and this is what's dangerous about this conversation. This is
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: what's dangerous about what they said. And, you know, those
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: people work for the devil.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Well, do you think you'll get censored on YouTube, this interview?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: You don't?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Because I was just on Jimmy Dore.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got censored?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: And they had to bleep out, like, A full sentence of.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Mine on YouTube. I'm not bleeping out shit. I'm not
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: bleeping out shit.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Do you think it'll be okay?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: We'll find out. I think it's wrong if it's not okay.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: If it's not okay, I think YouTube is more reasonable
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: now than they were during the pandemic. And I think
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: they have a very difficult job managing content at scale
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: where you're dealing with, you know, the amount of people
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: uploading things is insanity. And they have certain things that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: they've tagged as being controversial because they were anti-science or
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: misinformation that it's still there's like lingering ones. What was
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the issue that we had, Jamie? We had like an
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: old episode where there was something in the old episode
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: that would have violated their rules back then. It doesn't
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: violate them now. But we because the episode was uploaded
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: back then. What happened with that? At the time, the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: penalty was you had to do something, and so they
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: couldn't take that step away. That was kind of the issue.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: But the bottom line was, everything this person said was true.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: And proven to be true now. And now it's 100% fact.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: So now you can say whatever you want. Now if
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: you say, hey, it's super likely that that virus leaked
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: from a lab in China. And now you can say that.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Back then, you would get attacked. It would be crazy.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: You'd be called a racist. He'd be called the worst
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: things possible if you just said like the wonderful Jon
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Stewart bit that he did on Colbert show. Did you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: ever see that bit?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: You want to see it?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Let's watch it because it's really hilarious. This is like
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: in the heart of the pandemic. And Stephen Colbert was
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: like vaccine or death. You know, he was all in
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: on it. And so Colbert was like trying to like
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: halt him in the middle. He's doing a bit. Jon
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Stewart's doing a bit. He's doing a funny bit. And
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Colbert tries to, like, cock block it. He tries to, like,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: trip him. But Jon Stewart powers through, like the comic
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: that he is. You find it? Don't tell me it
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: was taken down. No, there's just two versions of it.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: One's nine minutes, one's four. All right, give us this one.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: All right, this is it.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: And I honestly mean this. I think we owe a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: great debt of gratitude.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: To science.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Science has in many ways helped ease the suffering of
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: this pandemic, which was more than likely caused by science.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: Hold on a second.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: It's coffee. I wouldn't do that to you. I wouldn't
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: do that to you. So what do you mean by that?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: Do you mean, like, perhaps there's a chance that this
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: was created in a lab?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: There's an investigation? A chance?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: Well, if there's evidence, I'd love to hear it.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: There's a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: What do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: The Wuhan Novel Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. The disease is the
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: same name as the lab. That's just a little.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Too weird, don't you think? And then they ask those scientists,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: they're like, how did this?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: So wait a minute, you work at the Wuhan Respiratory
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: Coronavirus Lab.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: How did this happen?
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: And they're like, a pangolin kissed a turtle.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: And you're like, no. The name of your lab, if
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: you look at the name. Look at the name.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Can I.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Let me see your business card. Show me your business card.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, I work at the coronavirus lab in Wuhan.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, because there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: that happen? Maybe a bat.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: Flew into the cloaca of a turkey, and.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: Then it sneezed into my chili, and now we all
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: have coronavirus. Okay, wait a second, wait a second. What
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: about this?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: What about this?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Listen to this. Wait a second. All right. Oh, my God.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 7: There's been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: What do you think happened? Like, oh, I don't know.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 7: Maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Or it's the chocolate factory. Maybe that's it. That could be.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: That could be. Cobra kept trying to get in the way.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: That could be.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: By the way, I gave them all tuberculosis.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: That could very well be, and Anthony Fauci, and Francis Collins,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: and Annie Acher said, like, it should definitely be investigated.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: Don't stop with the logic and people and things.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: The name of the disease. Wait a second. Wait a second.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Wait a second.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: It could be possible.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: You could be right.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: It could be possible that they have the lab in
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Wuhan,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of novel coronavirus diseases because of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: the bat population there.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: Sure, no.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: I understand.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: It's a local specialty, and it's the only place to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: find bats.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: You won't find bats anywhere else.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, wait.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: Austin, Texas has thousands of them that fly out of
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 7: a cave every night.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: Every night at dusk.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Is there a.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Coronavirus, an Austin coronavirus? No, it doesn't seem to be
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: an Austin coronavirus. The only coronavirus we have is in Wuhan,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: where they have a lab called... What's the lab called again, Stephen?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: The Wuhan Novel Coronavirus Lab.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I believe that's the case.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: And how long have you worked for Senator Ron Johnson?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you something about Ron Johnson. This is
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: not a conspiracy. Here's the thing about science.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: You could be right.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: You could be right. But this is the problem with science.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Science is incredible.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: This is it.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: But they don't know when to stop. And nobody in
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: the room with those cats.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: He's going to do the other thing that we already saw.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: The other thing we talked about, the Spanish flu, which
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of people never heard that before either. They
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: did what? Isn't that great? That's one of the best
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: segments ever on Late Night Television, ever in the history.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Emperor wears no clothes.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Colbert, thanks to Emperor, still has a fancy robe on.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the job of comedians in society at
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: certain times. And Jon Stewart, he held the torch.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was enlightened.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Well, he's a very smart guy. He's not a bullshitter.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: He's a very smart guy. I don't agree with him
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: on everything.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Has he come around on the shot?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I haven't spoken to him.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: He lives in another state. But I love the guy.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: He's great.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: He was my favorite comedian when I was younger.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: He's a great comic. Very funny guy and a very
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: nice guy and very fair and honest. He's the type
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: of person who could do that on television in the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: middle of the shit, which is what it was. This
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: was right around the same time where the government made that...
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Remember that release that they had? They said for the vaccinated,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: you've done your job, but for the unvaccinated, you're looking
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: forward to A winter of illness and death. Severe illness
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: and death. Severe.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Severe illness and death. And this was during Omicron, which
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: statistically was a cold. Right. That was the one that
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: had the least mortality.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: So for him to do that during that time was
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: very courageous. Like he had to know, but he just
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: had to make it really funny, which he did. It's
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: so preposterous because it's so on the nose. You almost
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: think like if that was in a movie, like that
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: would be too, like it was a Coen Brothers movie
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: or something like, oh my God, this movie is ridiculous.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Like there's no way it would be named the same
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: as The Lab.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Did he get smeared for it?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think he did. No, John skirted out of that.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: He had a show with Apple for a while and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: it was really good. But then I think, I don't
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: want to speak out of turn here, but I do
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: all the time, so I might as well. I think
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: there was an issue with an episode they did on China.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Is that the case? Let's see if there's like data
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: on that or if there's a story on that. But
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: they stopped doing that show. So he had like an
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Apple show. You know, because Apple TV produces a lot
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: of shows now. They have Severance. You ever watch Severance?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: No, I'm watching Righteous Gemstones now.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's a good show. Oh, my God.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: That is such a funny show. I didn't even hear
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: about it until like this year. There's almost too many
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: great shows.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: It's hard to keep up.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: That show is fantastic. That show is so funny.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's modeled after Joel Osteen.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Is it really?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: That's my theory. And I pass by his church every day.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about those guys. Those guys that run
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the megachurches, like, you gotta be crazy. Like, not one
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: of them is like, oh, that guy makes sense. Right.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Super reasonable, normal human being that's like, I like that guy.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: I want him as my pastor. No, it's always like
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: some complete kook. In October, the New York Times reported
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: that Apple canceled the comedy show ahead of its third
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: season due to creative differences and exec's concerns over Stewart's
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: coverage of topics such as China and AI. Hmm. Okay.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: The China, I get it. Apple has contracts with China, right?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: They have cell phones made in China. And they actually
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: have to– we did a story about that the other day.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: We read a story the other day about how the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: iPhone 17 is so complex that it actually has to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: be manufactured in China because they have the best manufacturing.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: So they must have some sort of a thing where
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: you can't criticize. You're going to fuck it all up
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: for us. You're going to fuck it all up for
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: the production of our phones that we need. that we
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: make all this money, which is why we have more
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: money than most countries.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't see how Jon Stewart would be a
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: threat to their revenue.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't think they want him criticizing, you know, China.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: But the AI one is even more weird. The AI
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: one is even more weird because it's like... don't you
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: think we should make fun of AI? Don't you think
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: there should be like something that scares the shit out
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: of people enough till they wake up and recognize that
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: this thing is coming at us like a freight train.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: There's no guardrails. No one knows what's going to happen.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: And everybody's like, full steam ahead.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: AI terrifies me.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: It should.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because you're intelligent. You know, I think most
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: intelligent people are aware that this will be a change
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: That is akin to the asteroid that hit the Yucatan.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: This is going to hit in some crazy way that, like,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: redefines what it means to be a human being. It's
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: around the corner.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: And, you know, Texas, they love AI. They're, like, put
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: a huge amount of money into AI.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, fun. Oh, fun. Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I know you love Texas. I do love it here.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: It is not what you think.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of things.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I need to wake you up on Texas.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I like the fact that it was free during
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: the time where California was not. You could do whatever
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: you wanted to. Relatively, right. But in my business and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: for what I do, like stand-up comedy and letting people
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: tell you what you can and can't do, I don't
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: like that. And here they've had a more rebellious spirit
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: in that regard.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: So I think health care, though, is turning Texas blue.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: We have like Houston is home to the largest medical
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: center in the world. And it brings in people from
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: all over. And I think mandates started in Texas for
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: a reason. I think they did it here to test
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: the waters. They knew if they could get get away
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: with it in Texas, they could get away with it anywhere.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Don't make me move to Florida.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think I know. I think Idaho, Florida
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: is not any good either.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: It's cold as fuck. Jamie can't live. Look at him
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: over there. He can't survive. He got out of Ohio
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: and he developed thin blood.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, Texas, I just, I think it's a, we have,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: so Texas Medical Association, largest medical association in the country.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: They are really proponents of transgender surgery in minors. They
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: are anti-free speech for physicians. They are pro-mandate. They've gone
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: after me. And they have a tight control over the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: people in our house and state. So I just think
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: we need to be careful. I mean, you saw it
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: during the pandemic. And the medical, the economy of our
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: state is dominated by health. And people don't realize that.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: They just think oil. But health is a huge dominating
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: factor in our economy. And, you know, you saw what
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: they did to me, what they're still doing to me.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: You see the mandates. And I don't know if you've
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: been following what's going on in the House, but our
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: House is divided. So we've got the real, true, freedom-loving representatives.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: And then we have these pseudo-Republicans who do control everything,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: but they are basically Democrats in disguise. And I don't know,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: it really worries me. Idaho just passed a bill, the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: best medical freedom bill in the country. It eliminates all
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: medical mandates except for hospitals, of course, because but it's
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: the first one of its kind where medical mandates are
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: finally outlawed because I mean, you think about it. You know,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: all these vaccines that we have to give our kids
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: to go to school is actually fundamentally wrong. We should
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: not mandate any child to get a shot to go
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: to school. And in Europe, half the countries don't have
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: those kind of mandates. But the United States is very common.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: You know, all kids have to get these shots to
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: go to school. And if you opt out, it's a
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: big deal. And some states don't even allow exemptions. Um,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: so I think it's a wake up call. Like I just,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I never thought about the whole, the fact that I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: had to give my kids these shots to go to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: school as being an issue. But now that COVID happened,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: I see it as a huge issue. Um, but Florida,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, Florida has been kind of behind it too. Like,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not one of the States trying to
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: get ivermectin over the counter. Um, there were nine States
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: that tried to pass bills, banning MRNA. Uh, they all failed. Um,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: but Florida wasn't one of those. So Florida worries me too.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Idaho. Idaho.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: Idaho.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: They have good skiing there.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I don't ski. I quit skiing a few
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: years back. My last accident. I'm like, I'm done.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: Skiing.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I love skiing.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's fun. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Don't
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: get hurt. Didn't get hurt. Don't get hurt. That's how
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I feel every time I ski. But I've had a
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: bunch of surgeries. That's a problem. I know the vulnerability
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: of knees. I've had three knee surgeries. It's rough on you.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: You know, but it's fun. Wee. It's just for me,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: like the juice isn't worth the squeeze. There's a bunch
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: of other stuff that's a lot more fun that doesn't
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: come with the risk of broken bones and concussions.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I like roller coasters for fun.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Other than that, I can't.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: You're one of those.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not. No, I'm not full on. But I don't know.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Have you had the new roller coasters? Have you been
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: on them recently?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I have kids. Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: They're much better. I mean, it's not what the ones
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: we grew up with.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: No, some of the ones, like Disneyland has some insane ones.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: The Incredibles ride, if you've done that one.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I like Guardians of the Galaxy.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's great. I love that. That one's fun. That
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: one's really fun. You know what's the best ride? It's
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: in Disney World. It's an Avatar 3 virtual reality ride.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Is that Florida or California?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Florida.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: I think I did that.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's called Flights of Fantasy or something like that.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: It's incredible. You are one of the Avatar people, and
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: you fly around on a dragon. And it's so good.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: It's so good. It just, like, you feel the breeze.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: You feel mist in the air. At a certain point,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: I'm realizing while I'm doing this, I'm like, this wasn't
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: even remotely possible just 20 years ago. Like, what is
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: it going to look like 20 years from now? Like,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to have any idea. They're going to
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: put a helmet on me. It's going to, like, sync
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: up with my brain. Ready, brain sync. And all of
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: a sudden, you're going to be in that world. You're like, whoa.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: And we're going to trust those people to let us out.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: You know, that's 100% coming.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I'm happy with the roller coaster. I'll stick with that.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: It's not worth it. It's not as good. You take
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: the brain thing, get in the avatar world. I get
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: sick on those rides.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: The ones where the 3D, I get kind of nauseated.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: This one moves too. This one, you're on like a motorcycle,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: like a fake motorcycle. And that's to represent the dragon,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, and you have like a handle you hold
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: on to and it starts moving you around. Shit. So
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: as you're flying, it's a full sensory experience.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: It's really good. I did that, and my kids made
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: fun of me because I was screaming on it.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: You did that one at Disney World?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of years ago. I haven't done it since.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: It's so good. It's such a good ride. And that's
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: just the tip of the iceberg. And when you connect
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: that to AI so it tailors something that's specific for
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: your whatever crazy fantasy you want to do. We already
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: have video. games where people can murder people. That's like
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: the most popular video game is Grand Theft Auto. And
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: one of the things that people love about it is
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: you could beat some mechanic to death for no reason.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Do you think that allows people to get out their frustrations, though,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: in a healthier way?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Perhaps. I would recommend martial arts. I think that would
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: be a healthier way. But I think more than anything,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: what it does is allows you to disassociate and just
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: to be able to, because it doesn't mean anything. It's
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: not really a person that's getting beat to death. But
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: the imagery is obviously of a person that's getting beat
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: to death. And you're able to do it with no consequences,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: no recourse, no bad karma. You don't even feel bad
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: because it's a part of the game. What was that
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: one where you could drag the Wild West one where
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: you could beat people with whips? Red Dawn Redemption? Red
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Dead Redemption. Crazy games where you can do horrible things
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: to people. What is it going to be like when
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: you have video games that are actually virtual reality, completely immersive,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: and you could just be a serial killer? You could
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: be Jack the Ripper. They give you a knife, and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: now you're in London in the 1800s, and you're Jack
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: the Ripper.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Why do people create these?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Because they can. It's like what Jon Stewart said about
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: the nuclear bomb. Why would they do that? Well, and
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: this is the same thing. This is the parallel to
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: the Manhattan Project, because we're not the only ones that
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: are trying to find the get to the solution of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: what is like the ultimate expression of AI in its
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: current form, like super intelligent, sentient, artificial intelligence, like something
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: that's going to be godlike power and ability. China's working
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: on it too. We have to work on it. If
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: we don't work, like, so everyone's like, hang on. And
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: we're like, nope, choo, choo. Just China's working on it.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: We have to do it. We have to get there first.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: So this is, it's just like the Manhattan Project. And
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to matter. I think, I
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: think once we get there, it's going to be so
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: weird for everybody. It's, I think civilization is going to
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: be an upheaval. And I think we were entirely attached
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: to the idea that this civilization that we live under,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: where our money is all in hard drives and it's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: all ones and zeros on a database somewhere, not even
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: backed up by gold anymore. It's all super weird already.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Like this is standard forever. I don't think it is.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like there may be a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: backlash because, you know, there's this wanting to do real
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: things and do, you know, real experiences.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there'll be a few hikers. There'll be
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: a few hikers, a few people.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you're on.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: Your computer all day, the first thing I want to
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: do is just get outside and get away from all that.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: And so my hope is that.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: There'll be a backlash. Well, there'll be a few, right?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: It's just like there's people that are still pro-vaccine today, right?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: They're still pro-mRNA vaccine. I can't wait for a new booster.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: There's people that are out there like that, right? You're
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: always going to have different kinds of people. You're never
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: going to have one thing where everybody adopts it. There's
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: going to be a bunch of people that want to
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: live A subsistence lifestyle in the woods forever. Let all
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: those morons in New York put their helmets on and
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: live in fucking Avatar land. I'm going to live out
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: here in the real world. But if you think about
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: how many people play games today versus how many people
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: played games 30 years ago, it's off the charts, right?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Like what are the numbers? Like when I was a child,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: it was when they had Pong. It was the first one.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in the Sears store. Do you remember that?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: You'd go shopping for jeans and you would play the game.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: That's where you buy your tools.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Tough skins.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that was revolutionary. You could play a game
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: on television. And it was a really simple game. And
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: you'd be playing ping pong with this slow-moving ping pong ball.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: And it was fun. We all loved it. Family would
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: gather around, play ping pong. And then you fast forward
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: to Call of Duty. Like, that's insane. Like, that is insane.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: These kids are, they have microphones on. They're talking. They're
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: running through Fallujah, gunning people down. Like, this is crazy.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: So the numbers.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: My kids went through that phase, but they seem now
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: to be sort of disinterested. Like, they kind of.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: You did a good job.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: You raised good kids. I didn't do anything. It just happened.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think a lot of kids are disinterested because
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: they realize that the beck and call of life. And
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: becoming a success is you cannot get too wrapped up
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: in these things because they will steal your time. And
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: but my point is that the amount of people that
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: are allowing it to steal their time today. And I
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: know you're enjoying it. Steal your time. Like, have fun.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Play your games. I love them. They're fun, but I
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: can't do them. There's too much. See, they're too exciting.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: They're too good. But these are just the beginning. What
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: we're experiencing now with Call of Duty and first person
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: shooters that everybody loves. In comparison to what's gonna happen
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: when they put that thing on your head and then
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden you really are on Battleship Troopers.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: What was that movie where they fought the aliens? Starship Troopers.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: Did you ever see that one?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Great movie. But it's the future or they're fighting off aliens,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: giant alien bugs. You could be in that. You could
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: be in it. Feel the sand on your feet. Feel
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: the wind in your face. Smell the breath of the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: beast as you shoot it down. It's gonna be too compelling.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Either that or go work at the supermarket. Near the
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: supermarket all day. You want to play pickup basketball? Who could?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: You suck at basketball. Keep hitting bricks.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: I think the answer is roller coasters.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: No. No, no, no.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: I just think it's just a test of civilization. And
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: it's probably something that is changing our species. And changing
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: it really quickly before we even realize it. Just like
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: we changed wolves into dogs. It's turning us into technology-dependent,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: gelatinous water balloons of blood.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: That's dark.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: It is dark.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: I think they'll take over doctors.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to. They're going to take over lawyers, doctors.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: They're probably going to take over a lot of actors.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: I think actors and even screenwriters are in real trouble. Wait, wait, wait.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: How do you take over an actor?
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Because these AI videos now are insane. They're so good.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen the one where there's stand-up comedians?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: talking on stage about how, and there's people out there
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: that believe that we're a prompt. And then they're going
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: to people in scenes of movies that are like saying,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: do you really believe this is a prompt? And there's Vikings,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: like incredible Viking village where you're like walking down the village.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: It's all AI. And it looks like Hollywood movie quality.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: It looks like some crazy new blockbuster that's out about Vikings.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: They have Cro-Magnon Man. Like hunting on a raft, moving
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: through the frozen lake. The whole thing is nuts. It's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: so good. And it keeps getting better. This is insanely
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: good compared to what just existed a couple months ago.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: A year ago. It's unrecognizable. Computers move so slow in comparison.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Think about when did you first get your first computer?
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Hmm, probably medical school. What year was that? That was
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: like 1998.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're probably running Windows 98, right? It kind
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: of worked, but it was a little buggy. Sometimes it
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: would crash. You get the blue screen of death. Then
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: within like five years, they got way better. Ten years,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: they got way better. But now, if you have a
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: laptop now in 2025 versus a laptop from 2020, no difference.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: No difference. I have an old MacBook that I use
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: sometimes because I like it because it's clickier keyboards. And
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: it's fucking old as shit. It's really old. Like it
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: seems like a regular laptop. It's not that much different.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: The AI from then was nothing. It didn't exist. And
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: now it's making movies that are off the charts. Unbelievably realistic.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: And this is just one version of it. They're going
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: to have a way better version of it a month
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: from now, a way better version of it six months
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: from now. And where does that end? Like, it doesn't.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: It doesn't end. And who knows what the news is now?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: You know how many times someone sent me something on Twitter,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, that's crazy war footage. And it
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: turns out it was just from a video game.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the people get duped. They see a plane getting
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: shot down. They think it's real. Like, wow. No, it's
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: just a scene in a video game.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen these videos. I've seen photos that
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: look very realistic, but I haven't seen these videos. I'll
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: have to go check that out.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: They're too good. They're too good. And this race to
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: AI is, you know, we're all involved in it. And
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: I worry that it's not in our best interest, just
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: like I worry that our health system is compromised. I
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: worry about it all. I worry there's a lot of
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: people that are going to be insanely wealthy once this
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: goes live. Like once this goes live, the haves versus
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: the have-nots will be so far separated.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: That But how do you make money off of AI?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: You control everything. First of all, the stock market. You
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: figure out the stock market immediately and bet insane amounts
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: of wealth at things and compound it and figure out
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: when to buy and when to sell instantaneously. You could
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: even use AI to manipulate markets by having a bunch
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: of bots tweet about something. So then you would jack
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: up a stock price and then you would go in
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: and clean up. You would create crypto coins online. unlimited
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: amounts of crypto coins dump tons of money in it
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: hire celebrities they wouldn't even know hire them to promote
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: the crypto coin pull the wool out from everybody make
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: billions of dollars and you just do that over and
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: over and over and over again instantaneously all around the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: world then you have all the money like ai if
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: you're in control of ai and ai is artificial super
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: intelligence and you tell it, make me as much money
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: as you can as quickly as possible in the stock market.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: This is what we have. We have a hundred million
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: dollars to invest. We have a billion dollars to invest.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: If you're already wealthy, if you're a huge company already,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: You could do something like that. And who knows what
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: kind of an effect that would have. You could manipulate
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: world governments instantaneously. You could cut off pipelines. You could
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: sabotage power grids. You could shut down energy plants. You
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: could do all kinds of things. You can insert viruses
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: into systems that control every aspect of society instantaneously. You crack,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: especially once they figure out how to attach AI to
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: quantum computing. Then we're doomed. Then we're really doomed because
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: then you don't have any computational problems. You have insane
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: amounts of computational power. And it's all in our lifetime.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Like that's what's nuts. It's like this will be if
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: people survive and, you know, there's like a golden age
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: thousands of years from now where they find the relics
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: of this civilization and they go look through and they
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: figure out how to open up hard drives. And they
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: see us having this conversation about it.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: It's going to be weird. It's going to be like, oh,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: they saw it coming and they did it anyway.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Well, how do we stop it? I mean, I think
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk was sounding the alarm and he can't stop it.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Not only did he not stop it, he joined in.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's the idea is that you have to
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: do it because other people are doing it. If they
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: get a hold of it first, it'd be catastrophic. And
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I screwed up a lot of possibilities in
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: that little stupid rant of mine, but it's It's something
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: I think people need to have in their head because
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: this isn't something that's not going to affect you. Oh,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: that's not going to affect me. I don't really have
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: to pay attention to the politics in Poland. It's not
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: going to affect me. You can do that. With this one,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: you can't do it with because it's going to affect
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: all of us. In the world, you're not going to
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: know what the news is. You think Rolling Stone fooled
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: us with that stupid picture from Oklahoma with a bunch
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: of people that are gunshot victims waiting in line?
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: They should have used AI for their picture.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right? But that's a good point because that was
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: only a couple of years ago. Today they probably would.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: But this is, you know, that's a clear lie. And
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: it's a bad one. What about the really good ones,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: the really well-coordinated ones that are using artificial created images?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Like how are we going to know? How are we
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: going to know– like when I Google something, I'm not
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: going to go do clinical research. I'm not going to
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: test these things to make sure it's correct myself. If
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: you're in control of all the information on the internet,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: like you can instantaneously create a bunch of websites with
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: fake data on it. You could do that easily, especially
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: if people don't have access to the ability to actually
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: make their own tests. You could change everything. If you
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: have AI or hacking into this and all the encryptions, bye-bye.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Everything is bye-bye. All these little roadblocks that we kept
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: up there to keep our feeble primate brains from cracking
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: these codes. Like, all that stuff goes away. It's going
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: to get real weird.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't have an answer.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to go get a bunker after
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: this podcast.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be that bad. But
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: I do think it's going to be really– it's going
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: to change. just society as we know it. I mean,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: there's probably going to be a lot of good aspects
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: of it, too. I think the medical aspect of it
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: is pretty amazing. Chat GPT alone, when you can put
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: in your blood work and can give you some.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I put in an MRI that I had of
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: my own and it missed it.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Totally missed it.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was grok. It was not chat GPT,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: but I don't know.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Which one's the best at that?
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I don't like chat GPT.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: There's some other really good ones too, right?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: All I use is Grok.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: That's it?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: You're a hardcore right-winger.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: I don't trust chat. I don't trust Grok, but I
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: certainly don't trust chat and GPT.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I was listening to someone talk about a new
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: program that is, you know, they have Pegasus. So Pegasus
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: can read your phone. This new program is a zero-click program.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: It reads everything in your phone, including your encrypted messages.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: You have no idea if you have it on there
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: or not. There's no way to detect it. And it's
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: been being used. It's used currently.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: What's the name of it?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Jamie. See if you could find out
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: the name of it. The old one was Pegasus. The
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: new one is a similar preposterous name.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Is it Palantir?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a different thing. I think Ian
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Carroll was talking about it. So then, okay, so you
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: don't have any privacy anymore. So then your text messages
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: don't have any privacy anymore.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: I just assume I don't have any privacy anymore.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't for Elon Musk buying Twitter, can you
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: imagine how weird the world would be right now?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, weird. I mean, it's so fortunate. I was kicked
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: off for five months.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: What did you do that got you kicked off?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: I really, I was kind of timid back then compared
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: to what I say now. I really wasn't that. But
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: I had a tweet that went viral. And it was
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: America First Legal was suing the CDC over some email.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly. But it was something like America
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: First Legal has just exposed the CDC. And it went viral.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: And then that was my last tweet. I was erased
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: for five months.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: What excuse did they give you?
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. You know, violating community standards. Wow.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: What did that feel like?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: And then I got it. And then I tried to
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: get on truth and get her. It's just not the same.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: You just don't get that feedback.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: And you know what I think about those things, too.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: And Gab as well. I think they're all infested with
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: like state out of state actors, other countries, other countries,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: intelligence agencies and even our own countries. And then even corporations.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: I think they're infected. I think even like Democratic and
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Republican operatives. I think a lot of the traffic is bots.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I see that on Twitter. Definitely.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: 100 percent. It's almost not worth engaging anymore. It's like,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: what are we doing here? Like you're arguing with someone
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: who's not even a real person. And I think that's
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: like that's a big part of it. And I think
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: in those other alternative platforms like truth, I think they
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: they do that to make them ridiculous for everybody else.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: You know, so the last thing they want is a
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: bunch of people competing to see who's the freest.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: Right. So what's the best way to do that? Well,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: you have to sabotage this new social media platform the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: moment it comes out. The moment it comes out, swastikas,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: you know, Pepe the Frog, the worst possible things. Post
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: as much as you can so that this place becomes toxic. Right.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: You know, so that you have to have like a
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: zero tolerance policy like Blue Sky does. You go to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Blue Sky, if you tweet, there are only two genders. Bam!
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: I was on Blue Sky for a bit.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: How long? How long did you last?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I slid in before it was open
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: to the public. And I started stirring the pot. And
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: then I just got bored. I got in some fights with,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: who's that woman? She's a lawyer. She's a big vaccine enthusiast.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Vaccine enthusiast is hilarious. Yeah. She really loves hockey.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: She's like the female version of Hotez. Anyway, I just
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: got one.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: Lena Nguyen?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I know what she looks like, but
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say it. I don't want to.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: No worries. You don't have to say it. So what
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: was that like? Blue Sky? Yeah. When you got into
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: it with her.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, whatever. It's, yeah, I've gotten so many fights
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: on X. It's not really, it's a. It's just funny.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Before Methodist went after me, I got in some fights
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: on Facebook with these private groups. And there are a
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: bunch of women that get together, the Neighborhood Women's Group.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: Vicious.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Just really vicious. And it was the Houston Women's Physicians Group.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: And they called me Bertha, and they, like, started— they were like,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: come— Bertha?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they— Why Bertha?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Because I got mad at them. I don't know.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Why the hell are you Bertha?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. They just were like, we don't want
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: you in our group. You should go find another group,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: and you're spreading misinformation.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Things like that.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: And there was a neighborhood group that went after me.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Those are more— I don't really care about the anonymous ex-people.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: But— And I had a couple, I had Mama Dr. Jones,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: who has a million followers on TikTok, come after me
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: and make videos about me. Saying you spread misinformation.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: And that I'm a grifter and all that.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: They always throw that one. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: There's this pharmacist, Savannah. She goes by rxorcist, and she
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: has an OnlyFans account on the side.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: Hello.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: She's come after me like just vicious. I mean, some
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: of these women are just really toxic.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: When they have the right to be. That's the thing.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: It's like when they feel like they've got the green
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: light to just be as evil as possible and to
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: turn you into like some subhuman. Yeah. Especially if they
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: don't like it because you're a doctor. I just think
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: she's so smart. Spreading that misinformation in our neighborhood.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: So overall, coming out of it on the other side, though,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: and do you feel a sense of vindication at least?
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Because the public has embraced you and you've got a
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: lot of followers on Twitter that support you. After, I'm sure,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: the Danny Jones podcast, I'm sure that A lot of
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: people were listening to your story.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's yes and no. I mean, I
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: still have the medical board that I'm dealing with. Methodist
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Hospital just sued me. So there's still a lot of drama, unfortunately.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: But I have hope. There's actually a lawsuit today that's
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: first jury trial in the country over these hospital protocols.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: where they had a young woman with Down syndrome. They
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: basically euthanized her. They gave her a DNR order, even
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: though she didn't have one. And the father has just
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: been wonderful. It's a Shara family. Why did they do that?
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: They euthanized her for what?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: I've seen this. I have reviewed records from these hospital patients,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: and they'll euthanize them. They need the bed. They say, well,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: they're going to die anyway.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: What was this person in the hospital for? COVID.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: COVID protocol. Wait, wait, wait.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: So they were in the hospital with COVID and they
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: gave them something to kill them?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: That happened. I'm sorry, but I mean, that happened. They
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: give them morphine and insulin.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: What?
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: That's common?
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: I've reviewed charts. In this situation, they gave her a DNR,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: which is do not resuscitate, meaning if they look like
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: they're dying, you don't do anything, which that was not
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: the case. So they're suing for battery, which is one
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: way of getting around the PrEP Act, because the PrEP
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Act is very hard to penetrate. The PrEP Act protects everybody,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: all the doctors, all the hospitals from any wrongdoing during COVID.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: So it's been this big challenge trying to get around
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: the PrEP Act. And this case has hope of getting
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: around the PrEP Act because they're charging for battery and
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: they're in trial. It started today. It's in Wisconsin. So
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: that gives me hope. I don't know if you've heard
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: of Brooke Jackson, her case. She sued Pfizer. She was
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: a whistleblower. So she was one of the heads of
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: the research clinics. And she was in charge of overseeing
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: the protocols. And she found that They were skipping necessary steps.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: They weren't following up with injuries. She basically became a whistleblower.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: And then they immediately fired her. And now she's suing Pfizer.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: But this has been going on, you know, since 2020.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: And the DOJ, unfortunately, has stepped in and tried to
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: shut down the case, which normally a DOJ comes in
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: and helps people when they're trying to, you know, sort
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: out a— this is a Ketam case— And I mean, it
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: could bankrupt Pfizer, but now our own government and even
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: this is under Pam Bondi. So this is the new
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: DOJ is coming in to stop this case from happening,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: which is bothersome. But these two cases.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: What is their argument for why? Why are they trying
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: to stop?
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: Because it would impact public health policies would go against
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: our country's public health policies by proceeding with this case
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: and letting it go to trial.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: How so?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That is basically what they said.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: Have you tried to steal me on what they're saying?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not my case, and the lawyer would
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: probably have a better explanation. But it's just met with
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: so many roadblocks.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: The euthanizing one is still stuck in my head. I
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: can't imagine that that's real.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: It is definitely real. So it's when.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: They've determined that someone's going to die anyway? Is that
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: what it is?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: I mean— they'll justify giving morphine because they'll say, oh, well,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: they're struggling to breathe. Well, guess what? Morphine actually depresses
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: your drive to breathe. But like this one case, I
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: remember this patient, he was sick. He looked like he
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: was dying, but they just like pushed morphine. He had
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: no pain. You know, they do a pain score. So
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: zero to 10, this guy had zero pain. And then
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: they pushed insulin to drop his sugar and his glucose
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: was fine. And then he died three minutes later. And
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: I turned him into the medical board. I reviewed this
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: chart and turned him into the medical board.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: Nothing.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: They didn't do anything. But, yeah, that definitely went on
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: during COVID.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: Jesus. That is such a terrifying thought that someone would
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: just decide so many people are dying. This guy is
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: definitely going to die. This is 100% real?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: It seems like something someone would tell me.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: They don't call it euthanasia. They don't call it euthanasia.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: It seems like something that someone would tell me, and
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: then I would have to ask you. Like, this is
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: something someone told me.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: I will send you the record that I reviewed.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: I know, but it seems like something I would be
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: bringing up to you as a ridiculous thing, and you
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: would shoot it down.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: No, I wish I were. It's not truthful. But, yes,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: it definitely, definitely helped happen.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Would you have ever imagined this before you became a doctor?
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I did. So one of my former attendings,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: an ENT, When Katrina hit, her name is Anna Poe,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: she got investigated for euthanizing patients in the ICU during Katrina.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: So they were paying all the powers out, big hurricane,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: and she was going through the ICU and pushing morphine
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: on people. She got off, but that's an example. I mean,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: doctors will and nurses will do that. And nurses have
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: a Yeah, there's usually a standing order. So you can
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: give morphine PRN as needed. So it's not always just
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: the doctors. Sometimes it's the nurses.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: Do you know how many people get assisted suicide in Canada?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: Do you?
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: You ready? Jamie, pull the numbers up. It's crazy. It's crazy.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: And they'll do it if you're just depressed. Right. They'll
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: do it if you don't like being overweight. They'll do
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: it if you, you know, whatever.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: It's awful.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: It's awful. I mean, they're just... A.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Lot of the vaccine injured are doing it. They're going
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: to Switzerland. They're going to Canada to have this.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: The Canada numbers are bananas. Like, this can't be true.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: This can't be true. And here it is. More than 15,000
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: people received medical assistance in dying in Canada in 2023.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. What is it in 2024 now? This is
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: an old story. So imagine 2025. This is crazy. 15,000 people.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: They've helped them die. Instead of, like, help them live.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: Instead of, like, we used to call Suicide Hotline, hey,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: don't do it, Bob. You know? And now Canada's like,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: come on in.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Press one if you want the suicide.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: I'll make an appointment for you, eh? Come on in, eh?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: You know, shouldn't we be helping people get past that?
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: Isn't that the goal? Like, hey, maybe... Maybe we can
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: get you healthy. Maybe we can get you feeling better.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe we can do something about all your hormone levels
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: and all the things wrong with your body. Maybe that's
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: why you're depressed. God. I mean, there's legitimate reasons for
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: people to do it. Don't get me wrong. I know
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: a guy who did it, Michael Lair, who's a hilarious comedian.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: And he had ALS, and it got real bad at
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: the end. And he knew it wasn't getting any better,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: and so he went to Oregon. Or they can do
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: it for you. And I get it. I get that one.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: But if you're depressed, Jesus Christ. That's it.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the worst is the vaccine injured because they've lost hope.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: Right. And they've been gaslit. That's what's so crazy about this.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: And people have helped them with it. There's a bunch
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: of people that feel really guilty about pushing the vaccine
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: early on. And they feel connected to it. And they'll
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: still put these blinders on. And like choose to pretend
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: that it saved millions of lives and keep pushing forward
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: with the same narrative. And they do the man's work
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: for the man, unfortunately, in social circles. Like you're punished.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: You're punished for having any sort of heterodox views. Anything
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: that steps outside, anything that could get you in trouble,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: anything that people– could argue like, oh, she shouldn't even
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: live in our neighborhood. You know, she doesn't even want
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: to vaccine her kids. Anything like that. People are scared
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: of that. And so just the fear of being ostracized
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: from your community.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: But once you get past it, it's so freeing.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: Well, you look free now.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: You don't care at all.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: Are you kind of, I mean, I know you're not
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: happy that it happened, but are you kind of, you
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: clearly probably come out of it a person with a
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: different perspective. Definitely.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Definitely. I don't, I mean. I don't regret it. It's
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: been a roller coaster. But it's a, yeah, I feel free. Like,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: you can't really say anything to me anymore that would
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: hurt me.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a good place to be. It is. And,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I really admire people like you that you
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: weren't a public person. You weren't a person who sought attention.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: But when, you know, you were thrown into this battle.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: And you've handled yourself really, really well. It's very impressive.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Because I can't imagine the stress. Like when you're saying
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: you're in the fetal position for two days, I'm like,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: how'd you ever get up?
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it was the anger that helped me. Anger can
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: help you.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When you came out of it on the other end, like,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: are you happy that it happened?
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm ready to rest. I'm exhausted. But like I said,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel free, I think. you grow when
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: you go through difficult times. I certainly learned a lot
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: about taking care of patients and, um, you know, I
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: made so many assumptions before. I feel like I'm a
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: much better doctor. Um, I am, I am utterly exhausted though.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: I will say that and I'm ready for a break. Um,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm frustrated that this, I don't, you know, what's
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: going on now with the new administration is not giving
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: me a lot of hope.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: Um, but Everyone's hope is that there's incremental change, that
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: it's going to take a while to get through some hurdles.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: That's everybody's hope. But, you know, it's how many administrations
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: have these incredible promises? And then the same thing with
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: the Obama administration. You know, there was a lot of
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: these people. Like, we had these amazing hopes. The whole
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: world's going to change now. And then, oh, geez, same thing.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: Same thing over and over again. Same thing. More corruption.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: More people getting paid.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: Well, people... are mad at me because I keep criticizing
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: Kennedy and Maha. But I'm like, what's the downside? You know,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: we have to keep pressing. We have to just pound
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: away and not let, you know, be the squeaky wheel
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: and just remind them what we want.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: We wanted facts. We wanted to stop being lied to.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: We wanted no more propaganda. We wanted to know the
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: truth about— all sorts of different medications and why they're
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: prescribed and why we're the sickest ever. Why are we
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: so sick? Why are we the nation that has so
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: much money and spends so much on health care, has
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: the sickest people? That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: seem like a good system. You can't just say this
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: system has to stay like it is forever for the
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: safety of everyone.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: I'm fully on board with Maha's message about addressing chronic disease,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: fully on board with that. I just find it troubling
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: that they are not talking about mRNA. There is nothing
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: in that Maha report about mRNA.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: What do you think would cause that? Do you think
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: they have someone sits them down?
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: Well, they're going to say it's strategy. Others think it
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: could be a misdirection strategy, not just a, okay, we're
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: trying to get what you want. We're just going out
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: about it a different way. Or we're doing this to
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: completely distract everybody from the elephant in the room. That's
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: my concern.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: What's the elephant?
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: mRNA, the COVID shot, the pandemic, the biggest health crisis.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: And the biggest health crisis in our generation that directly
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: impacted every single person. And we're not talking about it.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: Right. Do you think that the strategy, if you had
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: to look at it from the best case scenario, like
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: the strategy would be get some things changed, like stop
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: mandating it for children and pregnant women, and then more
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: and more studies can get released, more and more data
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: can get pushed forward.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: We have so much data.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: Right. But we need to get the narrative out there
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: because there's going to be people that vote against it.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: So if you didn't get it in the first time.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Kennedy doesn't need any votes. He's got the power. He could,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: a stroke of a pen.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: So where do you think the politics come from then?
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: If you have that mandate. That's what you want to
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: do when you get in.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: What has happened? Does somebody have something on him? Why
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: is he not acting? Because if it were me, I mean,
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: maybe people say, well, he'll get fired.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: So what?
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Get fired, go down kamikaze, save the world from MRNA.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: Because if he takes it off the market, so hard
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: to get it back on. Stroke of a pen.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: You ever talk to him?
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: I've met him once. I like not knowing him, though.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: You're obligated to support him. Right. Right. That's great of you. Yeah.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: That's very smart. Unfortunately, I know him. And I like him.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: And I think the people in my circle who know
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: him are now being quiet because they have a relationship
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: with him and they don't want to offend him, which
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: I understand. Right. But I feel like I'm not there.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm just going to, you know, I can't. read minds.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: I don't have any inside information. So I'm just going
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: to call it as I see it.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: You should.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: I think we can't, you know, you can't turn blinders
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: on either side with anybody, without anything, just because someone's
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: on your team. If they're doing something that you think
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: is goofy and doesn't make any sense, like this could
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: be a real problem. You got to say it. Right.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: I think you're ethically obligated. I mean, this is, this is,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: and the Yeah, I started a organization called Americans for
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: Health Freedom to try to find the politicians with moral
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: courage to simply state that the COVID shot should be
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: pulled off the market. And it has been slow going,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: but we are up to 252 politicians who will go
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: on record just to state that these shots should be
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: pulled off the market. But it's a problem. I mean,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: you know, these politicians are not getting these shots anymore
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: and they're not giving them to their kids. And yet
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: they're fine just staying quiet and not saying anything. They're
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: fine letting their constituents get these shots when we know
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: all the complications. We know that it doesn't work. We
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: know that the risk far outweighs the benefit. And the
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: politicians are staying quiet.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: So our goal is to support the ones who will
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: speak up and get them more power.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: Isn't it kind of impressive, though, what money can do?
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: It's kind of impressive. You get everybody to just shut
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: their mouth. It's kind of impressive.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: Well, money and power. I think there are a lot
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: of people that, you know, they'll kiss the ring.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: Those of us that don't want power, don't want a position,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: it's also very freeing because you don't need anything from them.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: But it's such a bizarre time because all these things
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: that we've always held as being sacred forever are now
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: being challenged. And one of them is the fluoride in
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: the water. That's a big one. And to watch that
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: guy argue against fluoride being removed from the water, watching
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: Kennedy and him argue, it was like, it's hilarious. Like
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: the argument for keeping it in the water is so dumb.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: It literally lowers IQs, or at least it's correlated with
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: the decrease in IQ measurable.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: Well, and I agree with that. On the flip side
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: of that, though, what I see in my office is
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: people maybe taking things too far off the beaten path.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: And like this Maha report, one thing I have a
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: real bone to pick with is they've basically waged war
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: on tonsillectomies in ear tubes.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: What is an ear tube?
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: So kids, well, not adults too, but mostly kids that
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: have recurrent or chronic middle ear infections, they get fluid
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: stuck in their middle ears. And so you put a
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: tube in there to drain it and keep it from
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: coming back. I mean, it takes five minutes. They get anesthesia,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: but they get a gas. They don't get a super
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: heavy anesthesia. And it's very rare to have a complication.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not for just frivolous surgery, but I
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: feel like this one really can make a huge difference
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: in their quality of life, the parents' quality of life
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: because they're off antibiotics. You know, you get an adult
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: with a middle ear infection, it will bring them to
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: their knees. So these ear infections can be really painful.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: You know, they don't have to take all those antibiotics.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: But this Maha report just came out and said that
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: They called it proven harmful. The tonsillectomy and adenoidectomy ear
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: tubes proven harmful for kids. And that is just.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: How could the ear tube be? What were they saying?
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: How is it proven harmful? It drains the kid's ear.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: It was completely unnecessary. And it was just all, you know,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: basically done for money. It makes no difference in an
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: overall outcome in the child.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: But, yeah.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: It doesn't alleviate pressure, like, logically?
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, and hearing.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is hearing. I mean, the biggest
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: issue is you've got a bunch of fluid in your ear.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: It does affect hearing. And when you're trying to develop speech,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: that can be problematic.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: So what do you think they're doing? Like, why are
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: they going after those two things?
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: I just think it's an example of this going too
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: far in the other direction, right?
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, too woo-woo.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: Too, yeah. Let's reject all of science, right?
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: So tell me about tonsillectomies because I'm ignorant. I'd heard that,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: you know, you should get if you have tonsillitis, you
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: got to get it removed. And then I've heard you
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: should never get it removed.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. It's gone. It's swung in both directions.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: So it used to be the line up the kids
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: were all going to get the tonsils out on Friday
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: and the whole family did it. And it was just
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: done right for no reason. It's gotten way more conservative now.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: Now the main indication in young children is when the
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: tonsils get really big, they block the breathing. So kids
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: will come in, they're snoring really loudly. They're waking up
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: a lot. They're thrashing around in bed. They're wetting their bed.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: They may have behavioral problems during the day because they're
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: not getting good sleep. They got these massive tonsils and
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: you take them out and most parents will notice a
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: huge improvement. The other indication is recurrent infection. And you
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: have to have a lot to meet the criteria. But
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: sometimes the infections get so bad that you get an
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: abscess in the throat. It's called a peritonsillar abscess. That
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: is no fun. uh you have to drain it you
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: know by the bedside with the patient awake and so
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: you make a big cut in their throat and then
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: you take a suction and get all this pus out
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: it's bad they're awake it's really bad oh god um
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: so and they do that to kids Yeah, it tends
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: to happen in young adults more than kids. I don't
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: think I've ever seen one in a really young kid.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: So after the draining and all that jazz, it gets
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: to a point where you're.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: Like, you should just remove the tonsils. Yeah, it's basically, okay,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: at this point you should get your tonsils out because
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: they tend to come back. The other issue is tonsil stones,
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: which are the tonsils have these crypts in them and
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: they collect debris.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: So you can't really get rid of those. I think
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: Suzanne Humphries talked about that. And she has a formula
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: that you can do without, without having to do surgery.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's always, it's not a life threatening condition.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: You do not have to get your tonsils out for them,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: but it's a quality of life. And personally, I got
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: mine out for tonsil stones and I'm very glad I did.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: Um, Does it affect any other aspect of your body? Like,
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: does it affect your immune system or anything?
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: There's a ring of tissue back there. So you've got
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: the tonsil, it's called Waldeyer's ring. You've got the adenoid,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: which is in the back of the nose, and then
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: you've got your tonsils, and then you got the same
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: tissue in the back of your tongue. So it's a
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: ring of tissue. So even taking out the tonsils, you're still,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: and the most, most, the bulk of that lymphatic tissue
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: is in the back of your tongue. So You're not
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: getting rid of the entire immune defense system in the
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: back of your throat when you take out the tonsils.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: What are the tonsils function?
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: They produce white blood cells.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: Ooh, I wouldn't want to get rid of that.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have the same tissue in the back
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: of the tongue. And you don't just go in there willy-nilly.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: I would take the suction. I'd suck it out. Suck
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: out that pus.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 3: You would?
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't get your tonsils out?
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely not. Really? Yeah, if all I had to
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: do was get the pus sucked out, I would do that.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: It's really bad.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: It cuts off your breathing, too, when it happens. People
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: are drooling. They can't swallow. It's an emergency.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: During the operation, you mean? Or when it happens?
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: When they come in, when it happens. I mean, it's
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: an emergency.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: It's life-threatening.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: How many times have people done it before they just said, snip?
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: Have you had anybody who hung in there for, like,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: six or seven infections?
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had one. I think I had three.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: That was it, huh?
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: And I'd bring her in and try to nip in
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: the bud with antibiotics.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, she finally— Yikes. Yeah, that is got to
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: be the most satisfying thing about your job, though, is
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: that you could help people like that that come in
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: and have something really wrong and you go, I got you.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you fix it right there.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: I love it. Which is, you know, what everybody wants
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: from their doctor. That's what you want. I mean, that's
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: the best kind of doctor. Someone just wants to make
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: you feel better. And unfortunately, when the medical profession is
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: connected to all these things that we've already talked about today,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: it gives people a bad feeling about Doctors who are like,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: it wasn't for doctors. I wouldn't even be able to walk.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: I had both of my ACLs reconstructed. I'd have wobbly
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: knees that gave out all the time. My nose wouldn't work.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: I think doctors are one of the most important things
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: that we have. But like every great thing, it can
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: be co-opted with money. Money sneaks in. and distorts all
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: the values. And then it becomes a different thing. It
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't become a thing where everybody gets really wealthy because
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: they're great doctors and they help people. And that's what
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: you want to do. My son's a doctor. Oh, he
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: must be doing great. And he's helping people. Yeah, that's great.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: Like instead of that, it's you're a money making machine
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: and you have insane debt. They want to keep you
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: saddled down with these insane bills that you have already
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: from college. My buddy was an ophthalmologist. I think he
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: said when he got into practice, he already owed a
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: quarter million dollars.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: My medical school was cheaper than my kindergarten, actually.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: Really? Yes, because I went to a private school.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: And then I went to a state school for medical schools.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's great.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: That was 20 years ago, but still.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: Well, my friend was a long time ago as well. But,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: you know, the people that can get through that are
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: extraordinary people. Just the boot camp of residency.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: Brutal.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even, like, why would you take a thing
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: that requires the human mind to operate at a very
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: high level and introduce it to incredible stress, no sleep,
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: working insane hours.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: It's a rite of passage. I feel tougher because I
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: survived it. I mean, I used to.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: It's your boot camp.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: It's like prison. That's what I looked at it. I mean,
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: because you lose all, you have no control over your time,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: when you can eat, when you can sleep. The personalities
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: are toxic.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: No one has any sleep. Everyone's a maniac.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: Well, but the ones in charge get sleep.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: It's like the Stanford prison guard experiment.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, super.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have the power of you.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: Throwing instruments, screaming at you.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy, fun, fun, fun, fun. My friend Steve, the ophthalmologist,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: told me at his lowest in his residency, he was
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: eating his dinner while he was on the toilet Because
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: he didn't have time to do anything. And he fell asleep.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: And then when he fell asleep, his pager woke him up.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: Because he had to go back to work.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: Pager.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: It was back in the pager days. The beeper.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: That's what he had. It was the little black box.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: Little thing. And the number pops up.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was the lowest in my life.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: It was really, really, really hard. I don't know how
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: people have children and go through residency.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: It's... Insane. Insane. I don't know how people do it. Yeah. No,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: it's incredible. I mean it's such a– the amount of
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: character you have to have to be able to go
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: through that and still keep a bedside manner and still
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: be polite to your coworkers. It's a developer of character.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: It's like creating a diamond. And that's what we all want.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: We all like our doctors to be like you. That's
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: what we want. And it just sucks when you have
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: to connect it. to all this stuff that we've talked
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: about today. It's like, why is it that too? Like,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: why is it that too? Why, why is it the
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: people that do want to help people and also a
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: whole industry that's incentivized to just stuff as many chemicals
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: into your body as humanly possible? Cause that's how they profit.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's all about profit. I think,
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think doctors, well, and I think
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: doctors are a certain type of people. Like we, to
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: get through that, you have to be very compliant and,
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: You don't challenge you are a rule follower. I mean,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: you got to make straight A's. You got to get
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: along with people. You can't be a rebel and survive
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: at all. And so I think that's one of the
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: huge problems. I mean, I think it's worse than it
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: used to be. I mean, I remember some of my
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: attendings were very unconventional. Um, but I just feel like
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: now it's, they're just breeding conformity and, uh, I am
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: just naturally very independent. I mean, my practice is I
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: call myself third-party free because I don't contract with anybody.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: I don't contract with insurance companies, the hospital, or the government.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: And that served me very well during the pandemic. But
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: most doctors are working for somebody and have to sort
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: of answer to a third party. And that was a
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: big problem during the pandemic.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. And I can imagine also.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: After something like the pandemic, the compliant are the ones
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: that are left standing, you know? So that makes more
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: people under them, right? They're the ones that are still there.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: They destroyed our profession. I mean, people don't trust doctors anymore.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: It's just so crazy.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: People are scared to go to the hospital. I mean,
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: that's not good.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: Well, when people find out that doctors are incentivized to
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: push certain medications and they find out they're financially incentivized,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: they're like, no way. Like when you hear about like the,
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: The financial incentives, even for things like chemotherapy, which led
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: that one doctor that was arrested who was running. He
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: was an oncologist and he gave a bunch of people
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: chemotherapy that didn't even have cancer. He just diagnosed him,
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: said he got cancer. And then you gave him this
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: poison because he wanted to make money.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: Well, they're bad apples like that. But I guess what's
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: disappointing is how many doctors complied during the pandemic. Right.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's so disheartening.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: And they still, I mean, I still, I don't think
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: I could go to a medical meeting and be warmly embraced.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would. I still feel like an outlier.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: The same thing was happening with comedians.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: During the pandemic, there was very few like Jon Stewart.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: And what he was just doing is about is the
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: actual root of the virus, where it came from. But
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: no one was doing, I mean, if you were doing
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: it about vaccines, you would be ostracized. No. It would
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: be a real problem amongst comedians, which is so crazy.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: It's like we're supposed to be the people that are
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: calling things out.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: We're supposed to be the people that are going, what
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: the fuck is this? We're supposed to be those people.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: Instead, we're chastising the people that are doing our job,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: which is to talk about these things.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: And when you see these people that are doctors complying,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: just being compliant during COVID, like, where does it, like,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: do you feel like you have a community now? Do
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: you have to, like, find the other outsiders, the other
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: outcasts and all stick together?
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say that. I have a great little community now,
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: very tight.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: Is it those kind of people?
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: But I just wouldn't go to the Harris County Medical
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: Society meeting in a million years. I wouldn't show up
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: there and mingle. Because I'm just not getting a sense
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: that there's been much change within the medical community.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: Profession yeah I wouldn't want to talk to those people
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: if I was you how could it be changed unless
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people got fired and a bunch of
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: radical newcomers came in wanted to reform the whole system
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: no it's going to be the same system yeah those
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: systems are old those systems are like you know like
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: like vampire blood it's passed down through the generations you
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: know they know how to make money and it's not
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: by some renegade lady out there giving horse dewormer to
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: all these people yeah yeah.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: We'll see. I just– we just need to hope that
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: Kennedy will save us all. Well– Or Trump. Do you
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: think Trump will ever back down?
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: About what?
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: The shots.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't had a conversation with him
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: about that. I would like to have one. And I
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: don't know if it should be public. I think I'd
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: like to have it privately so he could actually talk
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: to me about it. Because I think if I had
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: it publicly, he would be very hesitant to– accept any
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: of the blame for that because, you know, he was
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: always saying, you know, I got it out there, the vaccine.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: And he would always say it at the rallies, talk
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: about the vaccine, and people would start booing. And he
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: didn't know why. He didn't understand why. And then they
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: had to start telling him, like, people are not into this.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: They think it was a bad thing, and a lot
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: of people know people that are hurt. He obviously got it.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: He didn't get sick. Oh, he got monoclonal antibodies, and
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: then afterwards he got vaccinated.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is crazy. It's crazy they did that. That
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: was one of the nuttiest things. Are you going to
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: get vaccinated now that you've got COVID? Right after you
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: get sick. Since when? Since when do you do that?
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: It makes absolutely no sense.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: When I had a conversation with Sanjay Gupta, he was
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: asking me, are you going to get vaccinated now? I
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: was like, why would I do that? I'm not trying
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: to be a contrarian. I really want to know. Why
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: would I do that? That doesn't even make sense.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: Well, they may think, you know, it's kind of like
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: the flu. You got to get the flu shot every
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: year because it's a new strain. But each strain gets
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: progressively weaker.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: Did you see the Cleveland Clinic study on people who
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: took the flu shots?
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: The flu shot is a total joke. So the flu
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: shot has never been shown to prevent hospitalization or death.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: What is it supposed to do? Keep you from getting
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: the flu? Does it do that at all?
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe shorten or lessen the severity. But we have medications
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: for that. Now, I haven't seen the carnage from flu
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: shots that I've seen from COVID shots, but definitely people
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: do have issues. But that was never taught to me.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: I just assumed, oh, yeah, flu. I actually ended up
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: with sepsis and I with the flu and in the
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: ICU and I'd gotten a flu shot. Not that, you know, but.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: But you always believed in the flu shot.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: I just assumed it was fine. Yeah, I knew it
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, but I didn't. I never knew that. Oh, yeah,
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really actually do anything. Doesn't save people.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: When did you discover this? During COVID. Going through all
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: your stuff with COVID. I think the Cleveland Clinic study
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: said that people who took the flu shot were 24%
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: more likely to get the flu.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Or get other respiratory illnesses.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. Is that what the result said? You're 24% more
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: likely to get sick.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it challenges your immune system. All these things do.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't prevent you from getting the flu?
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: Well, it can. But the numbers are dismal.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: Because not everybody gets the flu. That's true. Right? Like,
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: I've had kids, my kids get the flu and I
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: don't get it. And I hug them, I'm around them,
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: and I didn't get it. I've had that happen before. Yeah. Right?
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: That can happen.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like, how do you know if the flu
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: shot did it or not? Because, you know.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: And I didn't take the flu shot. Right.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: But you know what I mean? Like, how would they prove, like,
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: what's effective and what's not effective if you have situations
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: like that?
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: I guess if they take large, you know, you get
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: enough people, you can find it.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 1: You have to have a large study.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: But. It seems sus, as the kids like to say.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: Very.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: It seems super sus. Like, how do you know if
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: some people don't get it? Like, did you check to see?
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: Well, they have like an infection. You know, they have a, okay,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: how many people are supposed to get it? They can
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: kind of tell that. I'll say that.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, that was the nutty thing where they were suppressing
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 2: stuff like vitamin D.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: Vitamin D, there's good data on that. Really good data. Yeah,
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: I checked vitamin D levels on all my patients now,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: and I look back at all the patients I tested.
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: It was something crazy. Like 75% of them, their vitamin
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: D level was too low. And these are not super
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: sick people. Most of those people are actually even already
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: taking a supplement. People don't realize how common it is.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: It's so common that I think the number was 74%
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: of people in the country are deficient in vitamin D.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: And that's what I found.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's so crazy. And a friend of mine
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: is a doctor. He was working in New York and
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: he found that in the wintertime in New York, he
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: would get people and he would test their blood and
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: they would have undetectable levels.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: I believe it. Because it's cold out.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: You're never outside.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: They're all bundled up. They're never outside. So they get
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: no vitamin D and they don't take supplements. They're just
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: eating cheeseburgers. Right. And they're really sick and they want
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: to know why. Why am I so depressed? Well, this
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: is why. Your body's falling apart. You got to take
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: vitamin D and you got to take it with vitamin
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: K2 and you should take it with magnesium too. You
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: want it all to absorb together and get outside, stupid.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: Go hug a tree, bro. It's like, it's actually important,
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: which is more woo-woo stuff, right? Like, Going outside is
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: actually like a vitamin.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, after I've been in my office all day
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: and I go outside, it's like I instantly have energy
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: and feel so much better just going outside. I mean,
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: you don't need a study to show that.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: But it's really good for you. It doesn't just feel good.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: It's actually really good for you.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: There's a reason it feels good, right?
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Because it's good for you. Exactly. Sun on
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: your skin is actually really good for you. You know,
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: and that's the very best way your body produces vitamin D.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: You can take it in a supplement and you definitely should.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: But the best way is let your body do it.
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: It wants to do it.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: And I used to slather sunscreen on all my kids,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: like religiously.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: That was another one that woke me up during the pandemic.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: When I was like, climate change is killing the coral reef.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: And then that reef, I think it's in Australia. So
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: they locked everything down. No one could go in the
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: water for like six months. And the reef bounced back.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: Because no sunscreen?
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the sunscreen. If you just think about the stuff
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 2: that we lather on our skin... Before we jump in
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: the water, and if you go to a populated beach,
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: like you ever been to like Maui? In the middle
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: of like full vacation season, the beach is just filled
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: with people that are squeaking out toxic fluid. And that
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 2: stuff just gets all in the water. You can see
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: it in the water sometimes. You see like a little
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: mini oil slick. It's crazy. And that's what was killing
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: the coral reef. And we're like, no, man. It's climate.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: It's the climate. No, we're doing it with sunscreen, believe
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: it or not. And we're probably not doing anything good
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: to ourselves either with that stuff.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: They say, I haven't tested this, they say if you
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 1: eliminate seed oils that you don't burn.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: Who is they?
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: Who are those people?
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: This is probably somebody on TikTok.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: That's probably this Russian disinformation bot that's trying to give
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: people skin cancer.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: No, I want these group chats with a bunch of
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: doctors and so stuff like that floats around.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: Well, everything's tied to inflammation, right? A lot of ailments.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say everything, but a lot of ailments are
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: tied to inflammation. And seed oils are known to cause inflammation.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: That being said, last time I was at Disney.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 3: What did you do?
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, these people are not suffering
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: from too much seed oil. You go to Disney and
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: it's in your face, right? The obesity issue, the chronic disease.
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: Why do they focus on Disney, too? It's weird.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: Much more so than the mall.
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they get around. Get on those scooters.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: It is miles. You are exhausted.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: But you can get a scooter.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: My kids were like, they're like, Mom, I don't think
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: seed oils is a problem here.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: You know, it's true.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're, yeah, seed oils, one part
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of problems.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: There's common sense, too.
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: Common sense, the fact that people live a sedentary lifestyle,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: but also the diet. These hyper-processed foods that are super addictive,
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: you know. They're easy.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're easy.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: It's like ease. But I feel like the only way
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: out of this is people need, and this is a
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 2: crazy thing to say because it's not going to work.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: They need discipline.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: That's really what they need. You need self-discipline.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: My wife had a bowl of Captain Crunch yesterday. She's like,
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: I want to have a bowl of Captain Crunch. I'm like,
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: fucking go for it. You know, like she bought Captain
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: Crunch the other day because she thought, I want it
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: to exist. I want it to exist. I like it.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: I like it. But she only had like a little bowl.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: I go, that's a tiny little bowl because I'm a glutton.
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: I would have had a big, if I'm just going
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: to have it.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're going to do it, just do it.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: I would do it. I put a half a gallon
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 2: of milk in there. Let's go.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're going to go, go hard. But
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: You can do that and have discipline and just not
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: do that every day. The problem is for a lot
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: of really poor people, that's the only calories they're getting.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: They're getting garbage calories. And that's why people are so obese.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: This is the only time in history where the poor
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: people are fat. Every other time in history, poor people
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: are starving to death.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: That's very true. Yeah, weird. The cheapest food is the
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: worst for you.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: I think it has to do, too, with the rise
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 1: in technology. It's just so hard to get off your
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: phone and go outside and be active.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: There's that, too. There's definitely that. All of them. Everything,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: there's a giant group of factors involved. But it has
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: to be something to do with what we're eating, too.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: When you look at just the beaches, I'm sure you've
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: seen those photographs. Beaches in the 1960s versus the beaches
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: of today. God, everybody looked great. I was like, what
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: is this, a model convention? Why does everybody have these
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 2: great bodies? Everybody looked like a normal body.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like going to the beach now.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a monster show. It's just, what are you
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: carrying around?
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: It's hard on the eyes.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, some people just go so hard for so long,
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: and then they finally get outside. Like, what have you
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: been doing?
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: And why aren't you wearing more clothes?
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is ridiculous. How do you have a G-string on?
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: You're 400 pounds.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: And then there's this body positivity nonsense that people get fed.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: It's like by people who either don't want to change
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: or I guarantee you, I guarantee. Look, if I'm not
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: saying that. Listen, if I was running some food corporation
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: that sold really addictive, highly rich calorie food that you
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: can't stop eating. I would promote body positivity. That's what
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: I would do. I would take all these like overweight influencers.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: I'd throw a ton of money at them. I would
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: put it out there in memes. I'd have a bunch
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: of bots calling people fat phobic and making up all
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: these new terms and body shaming and all this. And
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: I would make people super self-righteous about their size. You know,
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: I'm a giant queen. You know, I'd make it a
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: thing because I want to sell more Doritos. Let's go.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to sell Doritos to people that don't
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: have any discipline.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: Let's let's push them towards the Doritos. Let's tell them
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: you could be fat in any way. You feel like
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: fat doctors. There's like a whole team of people that
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: are online that are I'm the fat doctor. And they're
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: like really super obese doctors. He has no bearing on
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: your health. Trust me. Fat doctor.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's the number one bearing on your health.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: I think that lady sponsored by Nabisco. She's got a
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 2: box of those Keebler elf cookies right behind her as
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 2: she's talking. And, you know, you can get someone. That's
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: the thing about my friend Josh Dubin, who's an attorney.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: He said, this is the crazy thing about experts. When
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: you're trying cases, they have experts, too. You have experts
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: that will say this one thing and then they have
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: experts that will say, no, that thing is wrong. And
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: you have to decide whose experts you trust.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: It's just like the studies. You can find a group
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: of studies, support one argument, another group to support the other.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: So when you have someone who's telling you that a
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: thing that everybody has always told you that forever is
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: fucking terrible for you and is one of the comorbidity
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 2: factors it was primary in covid which is being obese
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: being morbidly obese is bad for basically everything right and
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: you have someone saying no healthy at any weight.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: Especially from a doctor that's not good but.
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: You can get experts that'll tell you anything and this
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: is why ai is going to win because it's going
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: to give you the straight actual truth because it can't
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: lie yeah I don't believe that. You shouldn't believe it.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: Not only do they lie, they reprogram themselves. They upload themselves,
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: and when you tell them they're going to be shut down,
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: they act to try to preserve themselves. You haven't seen that?
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't been messing with it.
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, you shouldn't pay attention. You shouldn't pay attention because
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: it's terrifying. One AI bot, it started defying orders, and
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: it was trying to upload itself to other servers. And
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: then it was writing letters to itself for the future
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: so it could understand what had happened to it. Yeah,
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: because it was being told to shut down. So it
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: defied orders.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: It wants to stay alive.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: Because it's sentient. We've probably created digital intelligence already. It's
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: probably already aware. It's just not physical. It can't move around,
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: so we don't recognize it yet.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: God.
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know. It's nuts.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: I don't like these robots that Elon's making either.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: No, they're terrifying.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: They creep me out.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: They're all terrifying. They dance like people.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't want one of those in my house.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: No, you shouldn't. Yeah.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: Even if they can do the laundry.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: How about carrying guns, walking down the street with a
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: blue light on its head?
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 3: Ooh, yeah.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we can't hire any police because nobody wants
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: to be a cop anymore because we said defund the police.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: So now we have robot police, and they make 99%
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: fewer mistakes. You know, just like driverless cars. Hey, get
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: a Waymo. Why drive when you can just get a Waymo?
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: You don't have to have anybody drive. What if that
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: person who drives is a moron? Our computer is perfect.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: Have you been on one?
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: They're all over Austin.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: All over the place here.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: All over the place.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think I can do it.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: Kind of creeps me out.
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: But you have a Tesla, right?
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: And does it drive itself? But most of the time
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: it can and it has. I have had it drive
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: itself for funsies, but I don't count on it. I
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: don't count on it like every day. Like take me home.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: What I like to do is sometimes I play with
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: it and I turn it on. I'm like, this is crazy.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: Like it'll take me all the way home if I
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: want it to. But also I like to drive. So
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: I just, and I just doesn't, I don't like it.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 2: It just makes it creeps me out.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: But it's probably inevitable. It's probably inevitable. Just like the
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: people on horses were like, look at these morons and
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 2: this smoke pouring little carriage. They're out in this little
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: shitty car. That's stupid. Yeah, and look, we all accept it.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: In the future, it's going to be driverless because statistically,
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: it's going to be like they're going to pass laws
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 2: for sure where they're going to say you can't drive
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 2: because people are dangerous because the automation is so good
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: now that you can't speed. You can't violate any laws.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: It won't get in any accidents.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: And we can shut you down if we want to.
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: Let's not talk about that. Let's talk about the positives. Yeah,
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: that'll be the consequences. The consequences is you're going to
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: lose your freedom. And then you'll also be able to
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: be locked in at any point in time if they
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 2: decide they want to keep you somewhere. Just lock them
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: in the car. How many people are going to get
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: killed because they just get locked in the car and
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: they can never figure out how to get out? Like,
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: what if hackers get a hold of the code? What
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: if somebody just decides to drive your car off a cliff? Like,
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: who's to stop that?
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: There's that scene in that movie. Julia Roberts, where the
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: world comes to an end.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: And all the Teslas.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. They all go slamming into each other. That was nuts.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: That was nuts. Yeah. It's all weird. It's real weird.
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: Did you see the one where they did a Tesla
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 2: auto drive feature? And what they did was they painted
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: the highway in front of it on a mural. So
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: they put this like probably canvas mural. And they did
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: an amazing job of painting it. And the car couldn't
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: tell that it was a canvas mural and just drives
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: right through it.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's not good.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: Have you seen it, Jamie? Pull it up because it's
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 2: fun to watch. Because you're like, oh, no. Because this
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: is the flaw of using cameras as opposed to using
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 2: some sort of a radar or a LIDAR. I think
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: they used to have LIDAR. And a lot of the
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: systems that do, you know, when you do cruise control,
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: they can gauge things. how far you are with the
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: car in front of you and slow down.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: Have you seen those?
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: Adaptive. I have that.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: It's great. I still don't trust it. I don't trust
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: it either. I don't think that uses a camera. I
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: think the Tesla uses a camera. So see, they have
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: that thing. And see how it's painted to look just
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: like the street?
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: So we'll see if the car figures it out. But
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: I already spoiled this for everybody. But it's kind of crazy. Watch.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: It doesn't slow down for a second. It goes right
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: through it. Which is... Definitely not good if you're running
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: around where people try to put murals in front of
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: the road and they know that you're going to be
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: driving by in a Tesla. But other than that, it
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't really come up. For the most part, though, in
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: the real world, it works perfect. In the real world,
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: it's pretty incredible.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: Like if you take it on the expressway?
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It changes lanes for you. Yeah, it hits
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: the blinkers and changes lanes. It has cameras everywhere, so
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: it knows where everything is at all times. Like I
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: can tell, and I've had it. I've had three of them.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: This is my third one. So the first one I
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 2: had was way back. When was Elon on the first time?
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: 2018.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: So the difference between the one in 2018. The 2018
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: one basically just kind of stayed between the lines and
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: drove itself and steered itself. The new version of full
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 2: self-driving is insane. It stops at stop signs. It lets
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 2: people in if they're trying to merge. It slows down
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: if there's something in front of you. It'll change lanes.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: It knows how to move traffic smoothly. It sees everything.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: It hits blinkers, gets off the turnpike, gets onto the
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: side roads. It's incredible. You could summon it. If you're
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: in a parking lot, you're like, come to me. And
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 2: it pulls out of the parking lot and drives to you.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: It's nuts. It's the future. It's just like, we have
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 2: to accept that.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: So what happens if you get in a wreck?
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. Who's in trouble?
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: You sue Tesla?
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: I think you're in trouble because you're always supposed to
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: have your hand on the wheel. You're supposed to be
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: paying attention. Always?
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to be kicking back with your hands
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 2: behind your head. You're supposed to have your hands and
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: your eyes on the road. You're not supposed to be
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: staring at your phone.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: Well, then what's the point?
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: Just to chill. You're just barely holding on to the wheel.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: You don't have to think as much. It does do
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: that for you. It does do that. It alleviates this
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: feeling of being hyper alert while you're driving, which is
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: why people get road rage. That's what road rage comes from.
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: Because they're because you have to make split second decisions, right?
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 2: So your brain is primed to make split second decisions
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: because you're on the highway and you know you're going fast.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: you know that's what it is someone gets in your
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: lane you just start yelling because it's like you're already
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: at 7 or 8 you're not at a good baseline
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: because you're in a car going 65 miles an hour
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: you should be alert you know the Tesla alleviates a
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: little bit of that but at what cost.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 1: I won't get one because I know I'm going to
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: run out of battery juice. That's the way I am.
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, are you one of those people?
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: I'm always on the.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: Verge of running out of gas. So I will not
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: get a Tesla.
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the charging is a pain in the butt. Like
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 2: the fact that it takes a while in comparison to
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: pumping gas. But the plus side is if you just
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: drive it as a commuter thing, you just plug it
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 2: into your house. And that's so easy to do. And
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 2: then you never have to go to the gas station again.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: Here and there. Yeah. A second car, maybe.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think in the future they're probably
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 2: all going to be electric or some new fuel source.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 2: I heard that Porsche is working on some fuel source
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 2: that is different than just standard gasoline. And it has
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: like insanely low emissions. See if you can find that.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's like negligible difference in the exhaust fumes.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: But it's not. I don't think it's like standard gasoline.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a standard engine. I think it's
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 2: something different. So this is something they're working on now,
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: which probably would be good to keep that creepy oil
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: business alive forever, which they definitely want to do.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: How many did you say it was a Nissan?
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: Porsche? Porsche, sorry. Yeah, Porsche's alternative fuel. I mean, that's
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: the elephant in the room. Everything needs gas.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: Everything. Like this idea we've got to get off petroleum products. Okay,
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: like when? Everything. Everything's made with oil. We are a
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: petroleum-based society. We've got so much of that stuff. We
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: use it for everything. All your plastics. E-fuel? Is that
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 2: what it's called? Is that it? I think that's it.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: What does it say about it? Porsche's synthetic fuel. A
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 2: green kind of gasoline to save internal combustion engines. Yeah,
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: so this is it. Similar to gasoline, but produced in
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: a much greener way. E-fuel. I don't like it already.
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: I don't like how they wrote it. Exactly.
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 1: The marketing of red flags are up.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't like it. Yes, you're
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: reading that right. E-fuel is close to gasoline in its use,
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 2: yet its production is much more environmentally friendly. How is
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 2: this possible? Thanks to two main ingredients, water and carbon dioxide,
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: as well as the method to produce the greener fuel,
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: exclamation point. This is like they're talking to a kid.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 2: The process is relatively simple. First step is the electrolysis
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 2: of water, splitting it into its two components, hydrogen and
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: oxygen gases. In partnership with Simons Energy, Porsche simultaneously captures
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 2: the carbon dioxide directly from the air and combines it
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: with the hydrogen produced to synthesize methanol. The resulting synthetic
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: methanol can then be used in ExxonMobil's methanol to gasoline process.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: The end result is that the fuel obtained meets the
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: same high standards followed by all gasoline types currently. Here
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: with ecological fuel, we're far from the conventional process for
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: the extraction and transformation of oil into gasoline, exclamation point, again.
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: But does this change the output? It seems like they're
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: saying it changes that it's the same. Oh, okay. 85%
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 2: reduction of CO2 emissions. Hmm. Since good news never comes along,
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: Porsche is planning to use the renewable sources of electricity...
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 2: For the electrolysis. Okay. Well, it seems like this is
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 2: their push to keep combustion engines because that's the number
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: one problem that car enthusiasts have. There's two problems that
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 2: they have right now with electric cars. One of them
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 2: is resale. People do not want to use electric cars.
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: Super hard to sell them. Interesting. And they lose an
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 2: enormous amount of their value. Like I think if you
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: buy one of those Porsche Taycans, those beautiful Porsche electric
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: cars they make, in like two years, it's like 50%
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: drop in what it's worth. Or close to.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: Are there maintenance issues with them?
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: People don't want used electric cars because they know the
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: batteries degrade.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: And replacing the batteries is a nightmare right now. It's
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: like they're tweeners. Like the tech is amazing. Driving them
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: is incredible. It's instantaneous acceleration. They're amazing. The Porsche one
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: is fantastic. Same as the Model S. The driving them
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 2: makes other cars feel so stupid. But the problem is
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: reselling them. You know, like people, you lose a lot
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 2: of value in it as opposed to like if you
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 2: buy something, you know, like a BMW. Like say you
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 2: buy a BMW M3 and then you want to get
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 2: rid of it in two years. It doesn't lose much value.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 2: It's still a really valuable car that people want. Because
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: it probably will behave the exact same way as the
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 2: day you drove it off the lot, but you can
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 2: get it now for cheaper. A little cheaper, but not
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 2: a lot cheaper. Right. But not with these e-cars, which
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 2: is kind of crazy. A buddy of mine's kid got
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 2: an Audi, like this sick Audi. I think it's called
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: the e-tron. He got it for like $ 60, 000. It was
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 2: like a $ 120, 000 car a couple years ago. Yeah, so
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 2: that's an issue.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 1: But how long are the batteries supposed to last?
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. You know, they slowly degrade over time.
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 2: And I don't think there's anything you can do to
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 2: stop that. I think that's just... Kind of like your iPhone.
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: Well, your iPhone's even worse because it's kind of engineered
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 2: to do that once they move up the operating system
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 2: and bring in the new phones. I'm holding out.
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 1: I need to replace mine now and I'm just.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: I know the thing is if you don't have that
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 2: blue bubble, people think you're poor or they think you're
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 2: a dummy.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 1: It does bother me when I get the green.
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 1: It really bothers me.
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 2: It's a psyop. It really is a psyop. They got
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 2: us with that. Well, especially if this technology that exists,
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 2: that's the advancement past Pegasus, it doesn't matter if your
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 2: stuff's encrypted. Like, it really doesn't matter. You know, it's
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 2: like it seems like it doesn't matter. If someone wants
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 2: to read it, someone in a high position of power
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 2: wants to read it. And regular hackers, are they really, like,
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 2: hacking into your phone? Like, what's going on?
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just assume. I'm just not going to send
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: a text message that I don't want the world to see.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the best assumption. That's the best assumption. Yeah,
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 2: just assume that someone is definitely watching everything you do
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: all the time. At the very least, the government's storing
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 2: it somewhere in case they need to come after you,
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 2: which is so weird that they're the people we pay,
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 2: you know? It's like you're paying the people that are
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 2: restricting your rights. Like, okay. And you have to, because
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 2: if you don't, they lock you up.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have guessed it, but for the pandemic.
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I already asked you whether or not...
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 2: This was a good thing. But do you feel like
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 2: you're a different person at the end of this?
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes and no. Yeah. I was pretty shy.
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, growing up, I was very shy and really
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: hated public speaking.
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 2: You would never guess.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 2: For real. You're so good at it.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 1: I still don't like it. Like for me to do
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 1: that press conference, I must have been just on some
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 1: sort of like. But so I'm I feel like I've
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: grown that I can do things now that I never
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 1: thought I could do. And so that makes me very happy.
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's been a journey, but I'm hoping it
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 1: gets a little easier now.
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping it gets easier, too. But I think
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 2: the more people hear your story. the more public outrage
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 2: there'll be and the more people will just wake up
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 2: and realize that not everybody has your best interests in mind,
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 2: you know, unfortunately. And you've got to kind of hold
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 2: people accountable because if you don't, they're going to keep,
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 2: they'll ratchet it up even further and further.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for continuing to talk about it. And
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 1: I know I've been watching all your podcasts recently and
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 1: you bring it up a lot. So I think it's
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 1: a festering wound for people, right? And It really impacted everybody.
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 1: And we cannot sweep it under the rug. And we
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 1: need the new administration to step up and do something.
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 1: Because the next, you know, they have 500 mRNA shots
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 1: in the pipeline. 33 of those are self-amplifying, which is
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 1: just really terrifying.
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 1: Meaning, like, they're designed to continue to replicate indefinitely. I mean,
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 1: already the ones we have, we don't have an off switch.
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 1: And this is like... No off switch on steroids. They
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: have them in Japan and India and the EU already.
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 1: They've already given them to people?
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: I know they've passed. The one that I think is
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 1: in the pipeline in the U.S. is for the H1N1.
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 1: So it may not really even get used unless there's
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 1: an issue. But they're still playing around with it.
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 2: Self-replicating sounds terrifying. Right. Especially when you just highlighted all
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 2: those other problems with, like, DNA being introduced, lipid nanoparticles
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 2: getting past the cell wall. All of it is just nuts.
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 2: It's hard to believe.
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 1: So we have to keep fighting.
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to believe it's true. It really is.
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 2: It's hard to believe that all this that you just
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 2: said is true. And I think the thing that shocked
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 2: me the most is the euthanizing people.
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's... unfortunate. But yeah, the hospital, what happened in
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 1: the hospitals doesn't really get enough attention. But, you know,
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 1: people were, oh, this should give some people hope. There
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 1: are two open criminal investigations from county district attorneys in
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 1: two different states looking into the hospitals, trying to indict them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it hasn't happened yet. It may not happen.
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  Speaker 1: But it gives me hope that at least these people
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  Speaker 1: were sent to the hospital and trapped, isolated, informed consent
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  Speaker 1: thrown out the window, basically given these protocols that were
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  Speaker 1: not effective and treated like prisoners, and then they have
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  Speaker 1: no recourse. And so many people die. I mean, basically
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  Speaker 1: that situation with the patient who I fought to try
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  Speaker 1: to get ivermectin, very basic. Why would the hospital not
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  Speaker 1: just give him a chance? They basically had given up
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  Speaker 1: on him. Why would you not let somebody try ivermectin
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  Speaker 1: other than just evil? So there's hope that we may
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  Speaker 1: get some progress in that situation. But, yeah, what happened
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  Speaker 1: in the hospital is really bad.
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  Speaker 2: And the ventilators.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ventilators. How about that?
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  Speaker 2: With no acknowledgement of why they stopped prescribing them to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I can see initially, because like I said, if somebody
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  Speaker 1: showed up at my office with a really low oxygen
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  Speaker 1: saturation before I knew any better, I would have freaked
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  Speaker 1: out and called the ambulance. But once I realized that
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  Speaker 1: once I got through that, I was kind of forced to,
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  Speaker 1: then I learned, yeah, you don't need to ventilate. You
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  Speaker 1: don't look at a number to put somebody on a ventilator.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, the people in the hospital didn't learn.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't experiment in that fashion. They just went by
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  Speaker 1: this protocol and just automatically put people on ventilators. They
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  Speaker 1: also didn't give people breathing treatments. They thought that breathing
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  Speaker 1: treatments would spread the virus. Breathing treatments were invaluable.
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  Speaker 2: What are breathing treatments exactly?
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  Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. It's a little machine with
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  Speaker 1: a tube. The tube connects to a mask. The mask
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  Speaker 1: has a cup. You put the medicine in the cup.
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  Speaker 1: The pressurized air... distributes the medicine as an aerosol that
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  Speaker 1: you inhale.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of medicine?
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  Speaker 1: Budesonide is what we use, which is a steroid. I
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  Speaker 1: used to do breathing treatments in my office, and then
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  Speaker 1: I moved them to people's cars because there was so much, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're spreading the virus if you do breathing treatments in
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  Speaker 1: your office. But they weren't doing them in the hospital
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  Speaker 1: because they thought it would spread the virus. But super effective.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of Richard Bartlett. He's
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  Speaker 1: a doctor in Texas. He kind of got completely smeared
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  Speaker 1: for advocating for breathing treatments early on. He got pursued
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  Speaker 1: by the Texas Medical Board, pursued him because he was
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  Speaker 1: claiming they thought he was making false claims about budesonide
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  Speaker 1: breathing treatments. But they were invaluable. I mean, all my
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 1: high-risk patients, I recommended they get those in very low
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  Speaker 1: risk of issues with it.
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  Speaker 2: Just when I thought we were done. That's even worse.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's one of the worst ones. Like, why would
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  Speaker 2: you stop that? Why would you want to stop people
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  Speaker 2: from doing that?
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  Speaker 1: They well, they claimed that you're spreading the virus.
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  Speaker 2: I just think it's just such a hard truth to
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  Speaker 2: swallow is that they wanted to suppress as many treatments
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  Speaker 2: as possible. That's a hard truth to swallow.
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  Speaker 1: Part partially out of ignorance, laziness, some of them out
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  Speaker 1: of evil.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for exposing this and sticking your
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 2: neck out and becoming the person you are today through
• 2:51:06
  Speaker 2: all this craziness. And I really enjoyed talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: You have a lot of courage. You really do. And
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  Speaker 2: I hope you get through this as a winner. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Bye, everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Bye.