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Caplan vs. Mosher: ITB 53-Man Roster Projection Battle!! · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on, everybody? It's
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan. It is that time of
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  Speaker 1: the year of the end of training camp where Adam
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  Speaker 1: and I do our 53-man roster projection. And I will
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  Speaker 1: insert the word, quote, initial projection. roster projection. This was
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  Speaker 1: a tough one. Adam, you alluded to this last pod
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  Speaker 1: that we, when we foreshadowed this, that there were going
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  Speaker 1: to be some really difficult decisions to make. And I
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  Speaker 1: found like the first 46 or 47 to not be difficult.
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  Speaker 1: And even the last five or six, it wasn't about
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  Speaker 1: talent for me or who deserves to be. It was
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  Speaker 1: more about the organizational philosophy of and whether certain things
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  Speaker 1: would change or not change based on new offense. A
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  Speaker 1: couple of players, of course, were IPP players, things like that,
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  Speaker 1: offensive line development. So they had a lot of numbers, right,
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  Speaker 1: at a lot of certain positions. And that's where I
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  Speaker 1: was fighting is like, do they hold on to this
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  Speaker 1: guy because they want to develop him, or do they
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  Speaker 1: think they can get him onto the practice squad? It
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  Speaker 1: was more that to me than who deserves to make
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  Speaker 1: it and not deserves to make it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that where I struggled with is, okay, corner,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to that. But corner versus backup nickel versus safety,
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  Speaker 2: then team value. Ties go to the teams, to special
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  Speaker 2: teams value. That always has. For sure. That will never change.
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  Speaker 2: You just take the guys, give you a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more value because you do need special teams players.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You need elite coverage players. We can say what we
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  Speaker 2: want about Ringo. he's technically a corner, but he won't
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  Speaker 2: be playing corner barring an emergency, but he's got elite
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  Speaker 2: special teams value. He's I have them on my 53.
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  Speaker 2: Some other people will not, they don't like the player,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't understand the way teams think. But then
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  Speaker 2: it comes down to kind of what you talked about.
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  Speaker 2: This is a team and we still don't know this
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  Speaker 2: in nine years. Why don't more teams put value on
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  Speaker 2: offensive defensive lines like the Eagles do? Why are they
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  Speaker 2: consistently really good? Right. Right. Don't understand it. It, Now,
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  Speaker 2: I also, this is where I struggled. You know, I'd
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  Speaker 2: said at the start of training camp or a little
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  Speaker 2: bit into it that there are probably six to seven
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  Speaker 2: open spots. Like you can go, like you said, 46.
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  Speaker 2: It's the final six or seven where you go, wow,
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  Speaker 2: there are a lot of guys who could actually make
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  Speaker 2: it who you probably didn't think so in April. But
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  Speaker 2: now it's a little bit harder because you now have
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  Speaker 2: the results of training camp, joint practices, which are immense,
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  Speaker 2: as Vic Fangio said, most important, some of the best
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  Speaker 2: ones he's been involved with. And you got three preseason
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  Speaker 2: games of tape information. But, man, and then contracts matter.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Hollywood Brown. I don't see there's any way
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  Speaker 2: that he's not going to be on the team. We
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  Speaker 2: talked about this at a signing. Once I got the breakdown,
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  Speaker 2: they guaranteed all five million. They're not going to cut him.
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  Speaker 2: It's just not going to happen. Plus, he really came on.
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  Speaker 2: And they need one guy who could run. They need
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  Speaker 2: somebody who could run vertically.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think depth too, right? We've
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  Speaker 1: talked for a while about how they just have not
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  Speaker 1: had depth at wide receiver, but they could get by
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  Speaker 1: when you had two receivers capable of having 1,200, 1,300-yard
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  Speaker 1: seasons in Devontae Smith and A.J. Brown, and you were
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  Speaker 1: a heavy run team. You're still going to be a
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  Speaker 1: heavy run team, but after Devontae Smith, there's some real
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  Speaker 1: question marks as to what the real ceiling is for
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  Speaker 1: any of these guys. I mean, Lemon's a first-round pick
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  Speaker 1: in his rookie year. He may have a high ceiling,
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  Speaker 1: but he ain't going to reach that year one. I
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  Speaker 1: understood my own decisions to keep Brown and even go
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  Speaker 1: a little bit deeper with veterans there that we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about the one. So this is going to be fun
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  Speaker 1: for YouTube watchers because I'll be the first woman. I
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  Speaker 1: am not a great like visuals PowerPoint or whatever guy,
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  Speaker 1: but I did throw together a chart that shows who
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  Speaker 1: we kept the numbers, the best that I could in
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  Speaker 1: the limited time to do it. So, you know, people
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  Speaker 1: can make fun of me, but at least we'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to go through it and see the names. But
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  Speaker 1: the one, area where I think it matters right between
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  Speaker 1: that one guy is that I decided from a special
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  Speaker 1: team standpoint to not keep a long snapper and that's
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  Speaker 1: why we call it the initial 53 of course they're
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  Speaker 1: going to have a long snapper on their 53 they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to sit there and go three weeks three
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  Speaker 1: weeks three weeks with new new elevations but for the
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  Speaker 1: initial 53 I only kept the two special teams guys,
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  Speaker 1: Braden Mann and Elliott, to keep an extra player who
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  Speaker 1: in three or four weeks will probably be on the
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  Speaker 1: practice squad. But you went with three special teams. You
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  Speaker 1: went with the traditional kicker, punter, long snapper with Rocco
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  Speaker 1: Underwood as the snapper.
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  Speaker 2: So what Howie did last year was because Charlie Hewlett
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  Speaker 2: is vested, he cut him at the initial 53 deadline.
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  Speaker 2: And then later in the week, because as you said,
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  Speaker 2: they had to have a long snapper. Because there was
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  Speaker 2: roster gymnastics. There were a couple things they had to
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  Speaker 2: get through. And then once they got to the 53,
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  Speaker 2: then the rules were a little bit more relaxed. There's
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  Speaker 2: certain things you can do, but you can't at the 53.
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  Speaker 2: There are certain things you have to handle and certain
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  Speaker 2: things that were relaxed last season. Our buddy Frank from
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  Speaker 2: our Patreon group pointed out, I totally forgot about this.
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  Speaker 2: Then I got the language. For decades, you had to
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  Speaker 2: be able to designate guys for return, you had to
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  Speaker 2: hold them at the initial 53. Then hours later, you
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  Speaker 2: could then designate up to two guys initially. Right. Right. Then, then,
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  Speaker 2: and then the remaining six, you could do up to
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  Speaker 2: eight and then playoff teams get to designate up to 10.
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  Speaker 2: But bottom line is there, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: roster rules, like a lot of roster rules. The, the, not,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't, this one doesn't apply to the Eagles part
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  Speaker 2: of it does, but not totally. depending on what they
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  Speaker 2: do with Grenard, but for years it was six weeks
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  Speaker 2: or six games for reserve PUP or reserve non-football injury,
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  Speaker 2: non-football or non-football illness. Now they reduce it to four.
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  Speaker 2: And then the big one, and this is, and COVID
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  Speaker 2: had a lot to do with this. If you recall
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  Speaker 2: for decades, like 40 years, 50 years, you put on
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  Speaker 2: anyone on IR, they're out for the season, even if
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  Speaker 2: they had a two week injury, Yeah, stinger. Could have
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  Speaker 2: been a stinger. Right. The clubs will tell you that
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  Speaker 2: the league was so concerned about Phantom IR and fake injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Though you have to prove it. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: the league will come. They do periodic checks where the
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  Speaker 2: operations people show up. And they want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that the injuries... You have to have documentation that you
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  Speaker 2: electronically send in. But they will show up on and out.
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  Speaker 2: Like they... they'll come up whatever, whatever period they want
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  Speaker 2: and make sure everything's being done the right way. So
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  Speaker 2: that's just some of the rules. And we'll, we'll, as
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  Speaker 2: we go forward in the coming days and weeks, we'll
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  Speaker 2: explain once they get for a Monday show, we'll have
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  Speaker 2: more information on the rules. Cause we'll be in the
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  Speaker 2: regular season.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of though. That's hump week. What we call next week.
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  Speaker 2: Cause there's no, there's no preseason and they're there. The
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  Speaker 2: regular season is the following week. That's the in between
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  Speaker 2: week as we call it. But yeah, a lot, a
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  Speaker 2: lot has changed over the years and, pandemic changed a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm glad you brought that up. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: one thing about us doing this 53. Well, there's many things,
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  Speaker 1: but one thing that really could throw a monkey wrench
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  Speaker 1: into it, a little fly in the ointment as Bruce
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  Speaker 1: Willis would say, die hard.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Is that we try to get this done out Saturday morning,
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  Speaker 1: right after the Friday night preseason game. We don't know
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  Speaker 1: what kind of IR situations could arise that could change
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  Speaker 1: the how the 53 would look, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes guys pop up with injuries after a preseason game.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even know that they had. So, so we
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  Speaker 1: did our best here without having all the Intel on,
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  Speaker 1: on the medicals coming out of that game. So without
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  Speaker 1: further ado, I will bring up the charts for us
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  Speaker 1: and we'll go through our, both our 53 man roster projections.
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  Speaker 1: How's that look? You like that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. You said using the Google, Google doc.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah using the google doc yep i probably there's
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  Speaker 1: probably something better but this is uh this is all
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  Speaker 1: i know for now so.
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  Speaker 2: I have to uh i can i expand this hang on.
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  Speaker 1: Yes yeah yeah i'm.
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  Speaker 2: On my laptop so this is great yeah yeah because
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  Speaker 2: jeff and i run our company through google docs you're
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  Speaker 2: great man oh wow wow okay okay okay i see.
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  Speaker 1: Now remember, there's people listening and not watching, so we
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  Speaker 1: have to be specific on what we're going to say.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, you did something that I completely struggled with, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to give it away.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: One you have in green on offensive line, that was
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  Speaker 2: one of the ones where I just could not make
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  Speaker 2: a decision.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why I did it when we
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  Speaker 1: get to that. I have it thrown wrong, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: I'll change that in a minute. But all right, let's
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  Speaker 1: just go straight on through. Because I think you and
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  Speaker 1: I did something similarly that I don't believe is going
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  Speaker 1: to be I don't think a lot of other people
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  Speaker 1: doing or whatever will, but you and I both have
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  Speaker 1: three quarterbacks hurts McKee and Dalton, and people are going
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  Speaker 1: to automatically react and say, you guys must be smoking crack.
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  Speaker 1: If you think the Eagles are going to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not keep Cole Payton after they drafted him in the
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  Speaker 1: fifth round. And while I struggled with it a little bit, Adam,
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  Speaker 1: I thought my philosophy is the Eagles have learned. You
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  Speaker 1: can draft a quarterback on day three and get them
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  Speaker 1: through waivers. And, and maybe Kyle McCord is, He had
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  Speaker 1: a bad preseason. He was not good. He's obviously not fit,
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  Speaker 1: but he came out of college way more as a
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  Speaker 1: pro-ready thrower of the football than Cole Payton. Cole Payton
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  Speaker 1: needs a ton of work. I I believe Cole Payton
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  Speaker 1: is a guy that the Eagles shouldn't be afraid to
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  Speaker 1: wave and try to get back on the practice squad. And,
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  Speaker 1: I think if they didn't have Dalton here, which has
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  Speaker 1: been an issue for them because he's not playing real
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  Speaker 1: well and he's not going to be the QB too,
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  Speaker 1: but you're paying him something and he's probably got some value.
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  Speaker 1: You're hoping that maybe you can move him later. You're
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  Speaker 1: not going to cut Andy. I just don't see it happening.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I don't see room for four quarterbacks. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they'll struggle with the concept of getting Cole
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  Speaker 1: Payton back on the practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so look, Howie's cut a fifth-round quarterback before. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't cut him the first year. He cut him
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  Speaker 2: the second. Actually, he did cut him the first year.
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  Speaker 1: Who's that? McCord, yeah, last year.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no. McCord was a sixth-rounder. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 2: fifth-round quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Was that Thorson?
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  Speaker 2: Clayton Thorson, yes. He was a fifth-rounder.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I thought he was a fourth.
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  Speaker 2: You're right.
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  Speaker 1: He might have been a fifth. Good point.
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  Speaker 2: He was a fifth. He was a fifth in 2019.
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  Speaker 2: And remember, Eagles want to sign him to the practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: He refused. He went to Dallas. I remember Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 2: won a record saying, yeah, he turned down our offer
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  Speaker 2: to come back, and he never made it. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: history has shown that. To me, Cole Payton is so
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  Speaker 2: far away. He's such a project mechanically. He needs so
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  Speaker 2: much development. That's what the practice squad is for. Why
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  Speaker 2: would you hold him? You would not want him active
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  Speaker 2: for any reason this season. To me, it's pointless to
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  Speaker 2: keep him. If you lose him through waivers, oh, well. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I was, well, it wouldn't surprise me by the way,
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  Speaker 1: if Howie tried to play this like really cute and
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  Speaker 1: tried to even wave them early, you know, like among
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  Speaker 1: the first, just to be like, yeah, he's not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like just sort of like you send a message. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's not there.
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  Speaker 2: We'll wait.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be among the first. But remember, wait real quick.
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  Speaker 1: My devil's advocate. was trying to say, man, bad teams
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  Speaker 1: are looking for quarterbacks. Well, bad teams use the waiver
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  Speaker 1: wire to try to get better. So they try to
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  Speaker 1: use the waiver wire to get players that they think
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  Speaker 1: can help them because you have to put the guy
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  Speaker 1: on your 53. So unless you're in total tank mode,
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  Speaker 1: which in the NFL you don't really see that, that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't enough to weigh me to keep him on the 53.
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  Speaker 2: Now, if they trade Dalton, if they do move him,
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  Speaker 2: then that would be a reason to keep Cole Payton.
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  Speaker 2: Because you've not created a spot. He'll be the inactive
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  Speaker 2: third quarterback all year pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, he needs a full offseason of development to
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  Speaker 2: work on his passing mechanics. Because, man, I'll tell you what, though.
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  Speaker 2: When he's scoring up correctly and his throwing plan is
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  Speaker 2: what it's called, when it's balanced, there's arm strength there.
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  Speaker 2: But the problem is you have no idea where the
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  Speaker 2: ball is going.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want this guy playing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, make no mistake. The Eagles want Cole Payton.
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  Speaker 1: They want to develop him. They have a weird situation
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  Speaker 1: here that we've talked about all season long. Dalton, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in your mind, if you're Howie, you're thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: someone's going to get hurt along the way. A team's
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  Speaker 1: going to need to go to its backup quarterback, maybe
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  Speaker 1: within the first three weeks.
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  Speaker 2: And then Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: And then, well, yeah, there you go, Atlanta. And then,
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  Speaker 1: then that, then you're like, oh, that team's back. Now
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  Speaker 1: that team's backup is a guy who's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Cade Klubnick, like the Jets, a rookie, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you may want a little bit more, especially
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  Speaker 1: if you think, you know, three or four weeks in,
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  Speaker 1: you're a decent team and you just need some veteran presence.
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  Speaker 1: The Jets did, well, not the Jets. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to use the Jets, but remember when the Eagles traded
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  Speaker 1: Flacco to the Jets? I think at the time they
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: were trying to like hold the fort down and they
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  Speaker 1: wound up trading for Joe Flacco. So that, I see
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  Speaker 1: that Cole Payton will be on the Eagles in the future.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that this is how the 53 first 53.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Running back. I mean, to me, and it was,
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  Speaker 1: it's too bad because, you know, I was at practice
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  Speaker 1: the other day, Adam, and I thought Damian Pierce kind
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  Speaker 1: of had, you know, cause he missed some time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he showed a little, a nice burst. It was the
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  Speaker 1: last practice, but he started off showing some bursts, but
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  Speaker 1: he got hurt and I just didn't see the need.
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  Speaker 1: I know the Eagles love their fourth running back sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And Carson steel made a, Nice push, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that there's any more reason for them to keep
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  Speaker 1: more than one.
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  Speaker 2: He's a vested veteran, by the way, if they really
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  Speaker 2: want him. Right. You just work it out with the
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  Speaker 2: player and the agent. I didn't even think about this one.
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  Speaker 2: This was simple. Now, could Carson Steele make it? We
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  Speaker 2: talked about this a week ago after his great game.
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  Speaker 2: The thing with Carson Steele is it's like he'll never play.
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  Speaker 2: You're just holding a spot because he's got some special
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  Speaker 2: teams value. He could run downfield. He just doesn't. He's
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  Speaker 2: never going to play on offense. If everybody's healthy, Shipley
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  Speaker 2: had a really good camp. Like, he really dominated camp.
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  Speaker 2: He was never challenged. I see no point in keeping
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  Speaker 2: Carson Steele, to be honest with you. Good point. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So this is wide receiver, and we both have six.
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  Speaker 1: We both saw the first five exactly the same. Devontae,
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  Speaker 1: Mikhail Emin, Tawix, Hollywood Brown, Darius Cooper.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: I really struggled with this and then rationalized Elijah Moore.
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  Speaker 1: You put Britton Covey on, I assume, because you feel
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  Speaker 1: like the Eagles need a punt returner. They do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: My thought was this. Elijah Moore is a second-round pick
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  Speaker 1: who's been in a lot of bad offense situations other
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  Speaker 1: than the Bills where he just– we talked about that.
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  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, he couldn't get on the field for
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  Speaker 1: the Bills, and that should be a knock against him.
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  Speaker 1: But he's had a really nice camp. He is a
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  Speaker 1: second-round pick. Joe Douglas, I believe, drafted him. He showed
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  Speaker 1: in an offensive environment in training camp that he can
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  Speaker 1: make some plays. I feel like organizationally thinking the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: will believe they can get Britton Covey on the practice
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  Speaker 1: squad for a few weeks and elevate him as a
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  Speaker 1: punt returner. And that given their uncertainty with Makai Lemon
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  Speaker 1: coming back from the injury and missing a lot of camp,
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  Speaker 1: that Elijah Moore is a valuable piece to have right now.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: And if you caught him, yeah, he's a vested vet too.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: You could do the thing where you agree. But I
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: think there are teams that would want him. I mean,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: look at the Dolphins. We talk, look at that, how
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: bad the Dolphins are receiving core. The Falcons, you just
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: mentioned them before. After Drake London, they've got Zaccheaus, they
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: have Dotson. They could use that. There are teams that
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: could use a player who is a second-round pick who
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: showed you something in camp. So I decided the Eagles
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: did it to hold on to a guy that maybe
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: might have a decent future.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Well, he has no chance, Lodge and Mortar, to help
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: them this season. Right.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I thought about that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Smith, Lemon. Lemon's healthy now. He'll be their slot. Right.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Tay Wicks is a starter. Hollywood Brown's on the roster.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: And Darius Cooper's on the roster. Yep. So, to me,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: this is where you use one of your practice squad
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: exceptions for veterans. And you work out with a player
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: and the agent. But as you said, and we agree,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: we talked about this a week ago. Yeah. Lodge and
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Mortimer would be great for a team that really needs them.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Like Miami, where you could probably start after a couple weeks.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Learn the offense. Sure. And they're running West Coast, so
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: This is West Coast here. He'll know the terminology. The
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: guy looked good. He had a good training camp. He
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: showed he could play. But to me, I think if
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I'm the player, I want to play, man. This is
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: a good story. It's been a good story for him.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Good for him that he's done a good job. But
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: to me, Britton Covey, you're right. I believe he's vested.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I'm reasonably sure he's been in the league long enough.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: He was on the Eagles 53-man roster long enough to
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: get an accrued season. I believe he got it. in
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: recent years. But anyway, even if he's not, you'd have
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to waive him. But if he's a vested veteran, that's,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: you could do what you suggested, play the roster tango
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: first three weeks, bring them on and off because elevations
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: don't count against your 53. Then they revert on Monday,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Sunday game. But to me, he's the best punt returner.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: He's an excellent punt returner. Like if you just want
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: to be average, but Kyle Lemon was a kickoff returner.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: He did. He only had like, like six part returns.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: You do it. Sure. Could Hollywood Brown sure do it.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Some teams don't care about punt returns. They just want
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: someone to one drop the football. To me, why not
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: be better?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Very good punt return. Yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I have. I would have Covey on the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: practice squad. I don't think he's going anywhere. And I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: also made this decision based on the injury histories for
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Devante Smith and then already so far what we've seen
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: from Lemon. I feel like it would help benefit the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Eagles more. to be a little deeper. You're right. More
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: can't help them unless that's the case, but that could
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: very easily be the case. Cause you know, we've seen
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Devante Smith get banged up and he's about to have
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: a a real heavy volume. So we'll, we'll see. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: definitely feel like that was an unpopular decision I made
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: and I can rationalize against it, but I don't, I
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: guess we're.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Popular in Covey people. I know people won't agree with me.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I see it a lot.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: The football people, Adam, the people who are smart know
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that that last wide receiver spot is usually a special team.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Spot, right?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: We forgot to mention he's, he doesn't really contribute on specials,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: although he can, we saw him return punts. So anyway,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: We both have six, but we differ on Covey and Moore.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. By the way, both may not
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: be on the roster.
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  Speaker 1: I was a little surprised that you went four. I
• 22:16
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• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so you keep Grant Calcaterra on with your four. Goddard, Munt, Stowers, Calcaterra.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I just kept it to Goddard, Munt, and Stowers. My theory,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: my philosophy on why not Calcaterra is because although he's
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a good pass catcher and they need that, I thought
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you sought some good pass catching from Stone Smart, who
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: could be on your practice squad if you need a guy.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I just don't know that he's going to contribute enough.
• 22:44
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• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But Calcaterra, yeah, it comes down to this. We've talked
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: about it. If Goddard gets hurt, they have a major problem.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Stowers is not ready to contribute. He's on the roster,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: but he's a non-factor, at least as of now. You're
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: basically playing with two tight ends, one who could only
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: block Johnny Montse, old-school why. He just says, and that's
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: all he does, is block. And Goddard's their pass catcher.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And Calcaterra's going to be here one way or the other.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: He's either going to be on the 53. Mm-hmm. or
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the practice squad, unless he decides to sign elsewhere. To me,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: because you're probably not going to play Stowers very much initially,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: he gives you that opportunity. If you want to play
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: 12 personnel, you can go with Munt and Calcaterra. You
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: can play, Goddard could be the Y, Calcaterra could be
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the move. We'll play the F position, which you'll see
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: if you watch. They're lined up. They're not really a fullback.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: They're not that deep.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: In the backfield.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: They're a little bit farther up. But anyway, Eagles did
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it with Ertz. They have a history of using an
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: F-tight end. A lot of teams do. So, as much
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: as fans don't like him, I'm just telling you, they
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: look at it differently.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I totally understand the need to... And, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: he knows the team. He's been there. The one guy
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that you and I both are a big fan of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and we both left off because it felt like the
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: writing was just on the wall. The messages were clear.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Cam Latu.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Just.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And I still think he could help this team in
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: both ways, as a blocker and a receiver. But when
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you don't see him used that way, you can tell
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the coaches just have a different idea than what we see.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Honestly, to me, EJ Jenkins got more run than Latu.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're hiding him. I don't know.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. No, but it wasn't as though– like
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: in training camp, he just– he was the four or
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the five. Like he was a four– And then there
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: were some times he was not the four. I don't
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: know what these staffs don't like in this guy, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: he's way better than he's given opportunity to. So, to me,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I have him on my 60-man practice squad, plus the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: international player. I would have Lato if he passes through waivers.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. All right.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just funny. For as much as we talked
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: about him, right, neither of us put him on the.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: The 53 based on what we see. And so we'll see.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't even struggle with it to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: be honest. I didn't like, I just, it just didn't,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: like I said, sometimes you see it and it's not there.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I would have done three like you did,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: but to me early on, because we know that, I mean,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not rolling out stars being active early. We'll see.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: We'll see if he's active. Cause again, where's he going
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to contribute? Okay. He could run down on special teams. Okay.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Tucker Derrick can do that. You can have him run
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: down special teams. If he's used correctly, the guy can
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: help you. We know he can't block, okay? We know that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: But he's an athlete.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's no question he can help. And he would help.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He'd be on the field. I agree with that. All right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Offensive line, we both took 10. The starting five, Mailata,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Johnson to tackles, Dickerson, Steed at guards, Juergens to center.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: We both had the same first four backups of Kendall, Johnson,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Markel Bell, and Lampkin. We just had a different tent.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: You had Micah Morris, the rookie guard, six-round pick out
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of Georgia. I kept the tackle guard. They're cross-training him.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: John Jukwu. I'll tell you what stood out to me
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: about this guy, Adam, is that right off the bat,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: they liked him. They were playing him at second-team left
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: tackle when Lane was out. They were playing him at
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: left guard on the second team. Then he got a
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: peck strain, and it seemed like, oh, man, that's the worst.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: He came back sooner than expected, and he immediately took
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: his spot right back on with the second team. So
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: in my mind, the Eagles clearly like him, and I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: wonder if they see him– as the Fred Johnson of 2027.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: They're going to have Markel Bell maybe starting. They're going
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to need a backup tackle who's cost-controlled. And this guy
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: played in the NFL last year for the Titans as
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a draft pick a couple of games. They clearly thought
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: he's somebody worth developing. It's tough to get rid of tackles.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: That's a position where you worry about exposing guys. Would
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that be waivers? It would be waivers?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's waived. A couple of things, a couple of corrections.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: He was not drafted by the Titans.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: My fault. He played two games.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: He was not training.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he actually started at right tackle.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Eagles, as you said, they've cross-trained in a bunch of positions.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: It's John Ojuku. That's how you pronounce it. It took
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: me a while to get it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I think I spelled it wrong.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. He, the thing, and by the way, just to,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: we don't know that it was a pec strain. It
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: was lysis pectoral. The reason why I say that, he
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: was back in like three days. You're not straining your
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: pec and being back in three, like you're not, that's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: not happening.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: If he had a spasm, I talked about this last week. Um,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: cause you know, like you, once I saw him, like,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: are you serious that this guy's doing so well? Uh,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: but then he returned to practice a little limited, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he was back. Um, I, this is the one of
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: everything that I struggled with. This is the number one
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: struggle I had. Uh, I just, here's what I'm just
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: thinking this season. Fred Johnson's has, he can back up
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: both positions. They like Freddie's, but a good, he's plenty
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: of starting experience or playing experience rather, uh, marco bell's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: going to back up right for i could back up
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: right or left do you need a third string tackle
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: honestly is it no no this for me.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Was just developmental like you don't want to lose the
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: guy you want to develop him yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: You don't want to wave him yeah he's subject to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: waivers he was an undrafted free agent in 23 i
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: i hear you that that's the thing i thought about
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: i'm like i just don't when roster spots are at
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a premium yeah you could You'll hear this with me
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: on defense where I struggled positionally and then numbers-wise, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I just felt like to keep 11, it's got to
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: be more than, okay, well, he could be here next year.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: He's got to be able to contribute if someone got hurt.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Because guys are in front of him, I just didn't
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I didn't think 11 was normal either.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It's rare, but I had them uh, waving the rookie
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: guard out of Georgia, Micah Morris, who didn't start a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: whole lot. I mean, when you're drafted in the sixth
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: or seventh round, a lot of teams see you as
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: a priority free agent as well. So, I mean, he
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: only started, he's had very few starts at Georgia. Um,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it's a, it's a risk, but tackles man. And the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: fact that they showed what they were doing with him
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: so early in camp made me think that they really
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: liked this guy.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, they do like him, but, and then he'll
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: be back on the practice squad.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: If, if, uh, Well, he would have to go through waivers,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: so you don't hope that he would pass that. He's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the toughest one. Both defense and offense, he's the one.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that took me like five, ten minutes to just make
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a decision already. Then I would make my decision and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I had him off. Right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So we didn't really struggle with the Miles Hintons of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the world, the Cameron Williams. It wasn't really... Jake Majors,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I gave some thought to Adam, but because he's played
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: well and you could say he arguably deserves it, but
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: if you've got Kendall, who's a guard center, if you've
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: got Willie Lampkin, who's a guard center, if you've got
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Markel Bell, who can play some right guard, cross-train him
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: there a little bit, I believe, then I just don't
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: think that there was a need for another interior offensive line.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, especially if you think you can get him
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: back easily on the practice squad.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where it was either going to be,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, it was either him, Majors made it,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: or Michael Morris had just took the drafted player. Would
• 30:24
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• 30:26
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't even, like, It'll be one of the least
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: surprising things that happened. I just felt that here's a
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: developmental guard. They knew what was wrong when they drafted them,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: give them time. So there you go. All right.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: So that's we moved to defense. All right. And by
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the way, just for those who are not watching and listening,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I had 25 on offense out of a 26.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So now we're on defense. You like these visuals?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I know you're, you're very cool. Oh, wow. Wow. I am.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see, yeah, we purposely did not send ours
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• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, guys. You know, see, this is where, defense
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: is harder than I thought it would be. Yep.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yep, I agree.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's get started.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: All right, so why Adam is saying wow, we'll start
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: off with Edge. I have six, he has five. You
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: can guess who the top five are. Hunt, Smith, Grenard, Evachetti,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and Epinesa. I did keep Joshua Rue. I sort of
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: went against conventional. This is, again, the whole organizational philosophy
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: versus talent. I mean, the guy flashed a lot of athletic.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: You know he's an athletic freak of nature. He's an edge.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: He's not going to contribute at all. But I don't
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: think the Eagles want to expose him. So I kept him.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, he did flash some. He's well ahead
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: of Bernard. But Bernard, they knew. was a developmental player
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: who would not play year one for any reason. He's
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: just not going to be ready to contribute at all.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But because of the rules, you have, they count against
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the 53 in the fall, which it shouldn't do, but that,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: that the opposite should be true, but it's not the
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: way that they set this up for international players. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: now if they sneak, if you get them through waivers, yes,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: you could have an additional 17th player as your international player.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And because you're, you, you have to, Designate two, just
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: overall in general. But when you get them for waivers,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: only one could go to the practice squad as the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: 17th player. So, yeah, I just felt like, okay, after
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the season, let's extrapolate why you would keep Waitrose. Hunt
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: is going to be here a long time. Year three,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: this is his breakout season. Smith, they picked up his
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: fifth-year option. He could be here a while. Well, Garnard...
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: He'll be here for two years, at least, of his deal,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: because they guaranteed the first two years. Ebukedi's in a
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: one-year deal. Epinesa's in a one-year deal. Weiru, to me,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: is still like, I don't know that he'll ever contribute.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I couldn't make the case for it. No. And when
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: we get to defensive backs, specifically corner, it gets interesting.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Defensive tackle. Yeah, Ty Robinson... They finally got, and Vic
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: talked about what they were hoping from him. He was
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: phenomenal in two preseason games. Train camp, you couldn't make
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the case for him to be on the team. He
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: did nothing. He literally, last summer, super raw, only played
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: when he had to play, when they were down in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: numbers with the Carter situation. Now they've got Byron Young's
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a stud. He's their top defensive tackle. He was never
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: challenged in camp. And now Robinson, I'll be interested to
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: see if the Eagles get any calls on Ty Robinson.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: because this tape was really intriguing. Now, if you're the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Eagles past the season, Jomo's up. As of now, he's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: up unless they extend. Byron Young's up. He literally could
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: be the first guy off the bench next season if
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: he's here. It's interesting.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if the Eagles would get calls on
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Byron Young because he's a little older. He's proved a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: little bit more. He's now entering his second year.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: There's no way I'm moving him. There's no way because.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't move him because you're– yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Robinson's not ready. Again, it's what the coaches always
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: think this way. What happens if? If Ojomo, Davis, and
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Carter get hurt, what are you going to do? If
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: you trade Young, you're not going with Ty Robinson. It's
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: nice against backup players in the preseason. He looked great.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: But you ask yourself, do you think he's ready to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: be a starter? The answer is obviously not. Young can
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and has to.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yep, you're right. Vic said that. I was just about
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to point out, you're echoing the sentiment that Vic said.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Vic was asked about him, and Vic said, hey, look,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it's nice that he's come alive and he's off life
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: support and all that, but he said now it's got
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: to show that he can do it against first-teamers. So
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: he's clearly, you know, he's clearly making it obvious that
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Robinson has improved, but still has ways to go to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: really get in the good graces there.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's good they show the development, like they
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: needed to see it, and they did. Right.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: OK, so we all kept we both kept the six ideals.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Carter Davis, a Jomo Young, Robinson and Bernard. And let's see.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Let's go on to inside linebacker. I listen to Vic.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Vic says put put chance on your. He said to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the reporters, if you're doing your list, put Chance Campbell
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: on it. So I did because Vic doesn't really lie.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So he's on my list. And you have the top four. Bond, Campbell, Trotter, Mondon,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: but did not.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So you have five ILBs. See, this is where.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Again, fluid initial.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I know. Chance would be subject to waivers if they
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: cut him. This is, to me, a practice squad guy. Now,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: could he... Let me ask you this. Well, see, you
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: have Mondin and Campbell on the roster. They did it
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: initially because the Deems come back from entry last year.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: You don't have that situation anymore? I just can't make
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the case for it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: The only case you can make, Adam, is that you're
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: not going to get– usually you have an edge defender.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Your last edge defender is usually a guy who's going
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to really help you on special teams. Like who's the guy?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Patrick Johnson we talked about. The other guy, Kyron Johnson
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a couple years ago. because they're twitchy, they're fast, and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you don't have that. I don't think Waru, if they
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: keep him, is going to do that. Certainly not Bernard, right?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: So I felt like they needed a little extra on
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: special teams, and he's a really good special teamer for them, Campbell.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: It's a guy they're going to want to have one
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: way or the other. Guys have shown up in training camp,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: but it's kind of overkill to have five guys, and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Smile Monon is only a special teamer. Correct. But that
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: was it. I did struggle a little bit with him,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: but I felt there were just too many guys there.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: All right, and now we get to the boring part
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: of the show because we basically saw the same at
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: cornerback and safety and.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Nickel.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I think you could use the word begrudgingly in doing this, right?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, Keely Ringo, and Mack McWilliams are both of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: our three bench guys behind Woolen and Mitchell and begrudgingly. Again,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: initial 53. I wouldn't be surprised if this changed as
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: they try to maneuver the roster a little bit. in
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the 48 to 72 hours after the initial one. Um,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: safety though, I think that that's pretty safety slash nickel
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: is pretty set with the gene Macuba EPS Carter. Got
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to feel pretty good about that. Uh, I think Sam
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: is a guy you can be comfortably bring back on,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad. I really, I, I thought about, um,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: not pulley. I actually thought, um, the other one goose chicken, right.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Has actually looked a little bit more active, just noticed
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: him a little bit more at practice. Um, But, again,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I think that they can get him pretty easily on
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the practice squad. I wouldn't be worried about, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: exposing him to waivers.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Here's where I struggled. Mack McWilliams, I know Vic finally
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: spoke well of him. Yeah. He just is, he's just,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: there's something missing there with him. He's just, because I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: know he's a pretty competitive kid, really liked in the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: scouting community prior to last year's draft out of Central Florida.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But he hasn't been that guy yet. And he's got,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: he could play nickel, he could play corner. Gushikin, to me,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: has been better, but here's the problem. He's not a corner.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: He's a nickel or a safety. Special teams value. I've
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: got Mack over Gushikin. If the reverse was done, that
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me, but again, they need corners. Now, this is,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: as you said, the initial 53. I'd be absolutely shocked
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: if they don't have a veteran corner out here on
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: at least the 69-man roster, a.k.a. the practice squad, within
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the first three or four weeks. I just can't see
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: how they think With Jonathan Jones at 33 years old,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: this training camp hurt last year with Washington. Who knows
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: how good of a player he could be at this point?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: If Mitchell, Woolen get hurt, they're out a bit, Jones starts,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: they only have one choice internally. You're either moving Koop
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: back to corner or you're signing somebody. And Vic clearly
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: feels that Koop is better at safety than corner. Better
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: nickel than corner. We won't be doing this. You don't
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: just do it and wake up and say, I want
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: to do this. You have a reason to do it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Of course. He's made it clear that if they have to,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they'll move him back. But this is a problem. The cornerback,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: depth is a problem that it's, it's an issue. And
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I'm putting Mac McWilliams on now, but there's a, it
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: would not surprise me after six o'clock Eastern, which you'd
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: let people know six Eastern is the initial 53 man number.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't surprise me. After that on Monday, after waivers run
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: at 1 p.m. Eastern, when clubs go, because they have
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: to clear rosters out to bring in, to claim players.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So just after everything clears, it would not surprise me
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: if the Eagles had a veteran one way or the other.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: You got to be careful.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I think there could be as many as three to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: four changes on the initial 53 from the next 53.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, once you get closer to week
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: one and past that, All bets are off. I mean,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the whole 53 could look a whole lot different. For
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: those asking who are watching on YouTube, if you're wondering
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: why I put some names at the last names are
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: in green, those are just ones that I was weighing
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: back and forth and just sort of like my bottom
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: five or six that could have been interchangeable with some
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: other guys. The only reason I put McWilliams on, Adam,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to your point, is because Vic basically said he's in
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the top five for corners. if I would have not
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: kept them on, I probably would have went with Micah
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Morris as another.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's what you would have. Oh, I didn't know that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: That was my, that was my final difficult, but like
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: how I was seeing it. So it was one offensive
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: player for a defensive player, actually.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: So my one question to you would be the year
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: that Josh Sills made it, which I mean, I just
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: was like, how the hell did we miss that one? Right.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, I mean, I'm sure nobody had them
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: on there, I would think, who was doing these things.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Is there anyone like a Jose Ramirez? Now, if Grenard is,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: if they move him to reserve PUP, that means he's
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: got to miss four games at a minimum. They would
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: have a spot open. Is there a spot for, let
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: me give you a couple of names here. We mentioned
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Kapina Gushikin, our guy Maximus Pulley, Carl Wesneski, who's come
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: back yet from another injury.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Boy, that would be a real– if they kept Cole,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that's just like Howie keeping a draft pick or thinking
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that if you gave him more time, that's just tough.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I hear you.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Who's going to claim him off waivers after he– Probably not.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably not. I got two more for you.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Gabe Hall showed up in the preseason.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought about him for a second.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Any chance about Zion Wilson? I mean, it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: like how many D tackles are you going to keep?
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah you never play yeah yeah i mean you've already
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: got two developmental tackles in robinson and or bernard and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but i get bernard's development is years from years but
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: i just you know you start to get into seven
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: dts which they did once if we we had so
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: much fun with that then they wind up trading um
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the guy to the falcons i can't remember his name
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: uh contavious street right right um there is always that
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: time where they do something that kind of shocks you,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: where they go really deep in, in one position. If
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it were, I guess it would be maybe going with that, uh,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: 11th offensive lineman. I mean, you and I both have 10,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: just a different 10. The thing about Sills, Adam was
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: he was six, six, what? Three 30 or something like
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: he was a tall, big dude. He even had like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Todd Harriman dimensions. Uh, And that's kind of where I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: guess I'm going with Wuru, just like athletic traits that
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you just keep and you hope you develop. There's nobody
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: that I left off that I think is just so athletic.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe Micah Morris would be. That's why I
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: said maybe you would go 11 with the project.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. There are going to be some surprises here
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: because this is special teams value, whether you think you
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: could sneak the guy through the practice squad. So just
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to give you an idea, I took a little deeper
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: this year. My practice squad would be? Cole Payton, if
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: he clears. Damian Pierce, veteran exception. That's the term that's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: used by clubs. Elijah Moore, veteran exception. Eric Ezekama, who's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: subject to waivers. You know, he showed up a little bit.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: He also was returning kicks. Cam Latu, if he clears.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Cam Williams, if he clears. Michael Jordan, vested veteran. He
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: just hasn't shown me enough. Ujuku, if he clears. Gabe Hall,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: if he clears. Zion Wilson, if he clears. Deontay Lawson,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: if he clears. Chance Campbell, if he clears. Gushakin, if
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: he clears and doesn't make the team. Maximus Poole, if
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: he clears. Wisniewski, excuse me. And Josh Waberu would be
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: the 17th guy. He would be my exception. He's the
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: 17th guy. And they've got a couple spots open here
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: as well. We'll see how it shakes out. The good
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: thing is, going through all this, they have a lot
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: of interesting developmental players you just don't have room for.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I think I would do everything you did on the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: practice squad. Obviously, you have Elijah Moore and Ajuku. Mine
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: would be Britton Covey and Micah Morris. But I probably
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: would try to keep another tight end. I might try
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to keep– I thought Stone Smart actually looked like he
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: could catch the ball a little bit, get open a
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: little bit. So it would either be between him or
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: EJ Jenkins. I would probably keep on. And so who
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: would I get rid of? I'm not quite sure. Maybe
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Zion Wilson. Maybe– Wisniewski, I might not bring back just
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: because I don't think he could stay healthy. But everybody
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: else you had, Deontay Lawson, Kuchikian for sure, Pulley for sure.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I had Campbell on already. Hall for sure. And yeah,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: so that would be my only one. And you have
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Woru here getting the international exemption. I think I would
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: just need one more tight end.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Jenkins could be on the practice squad. But
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: here's the thing with Underwood, you have him cutting him.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: He's not vested. He's an undrafted rookie. Subject to waivers. Now,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I think you're gambling it. No one will claim him.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm also thinking like there'll be someone cut that's probably
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: got some NFL experience. Yeah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you hate to do it late. You hate
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: to do it this late, but that would be interesting
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: if they did that.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I am almost of the mindset
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: that you can bring Underwood right onto your practice squad.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think that'll be an issue. And then still
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: get a veteran.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: No one will claim him, you mean. Okay.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Right, correct. And then you get a veteran, and if
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: you're not happy with Underwood after three elevations, you go
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to the veteran.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: He's there.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: He's been practicing. He's been competing nonetheless. And if you
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: are happy with Underwood, then you sign him. At that point,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: there'll be an injury. There'll be a way to get
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: him on the 53 that somebody else will go to
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the practice squad. We see that all the time.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. There'll be a veteran who's cut. Charlie Hewlett,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: by the way, retired. It's going to be interesting to
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: see what happens because they're always a surprise or two. Yep.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: And just remember, special teams value, that's where the ties go.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: They go to that guy. Yep. I would be floored
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: if they cut Ringo just because he's so good at that.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I know you don't want him out there as a corner.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: There is an opportunity. I'm going to be fascinated to
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: see how he does at corner.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. Would you be floored
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: if they tried to trade him, though? I don't know
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: who would want him, but. Yeah, I mean, as much
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: as we get down on Ringo, he's had an improved camp,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and cornerback play depth around the NFL is pretty bad.
• 47:09
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  Speaker 2: Well you know and he knows look as much again
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  Speaker 2: you don't want him out he doesn't know if he
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  Speaker 2: has to play At least he knows the match system. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, Ja'Cory Bennett, he just didn't get–
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  Speaker 2: he's hurt now, but he didn't get the match system.
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  Speaker 2: He never took advantage of the opportunity. He was given–
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  Speaker 2: I mean, literally, they were handing him the fourth corner spot. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Which is very important. Yep. And he just never got it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's too bad. And he's on the final year
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  Speaker 2: of his rookie deal. It's too bad. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just went through the roster really quickly to see
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  Speaker 1: if there's anybody like, you know, a quiz. No, there
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  Speaker 1: was just no one. Danny gray. Just, he actually stayed healthy,
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  Speaker 1: but he still, he didn't, we just didn't see the
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  Speaker 1: deep shots to Danny gray. In fact, the whole camp,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't really see a whole lot of driving the
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  Speaker 1: ball down the field. He could, he could come back
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  Speaker 1: on the practice squad. Possibly we'll see. It's just trying to,
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned your Corey and Bennett. It's an interesting, cause
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  Speaker 1: you know, they did trade a day three pick for him, but,
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, never got the system. Ambry Thomas and
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  Speaker 1: Sean Wade. I think we at least got the guys
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  Speaker 1: that either deserve to be on the practice squad or
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  Speaker 1: the 53. There might be a surprise. There was always
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  Speaker 1: a surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Ramirez is interesting, right? Because he's got some twitchiness to him.
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  Speaker 1: Jose Ramirez is a little bit of an interesting guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just small. So the timeline to finish this off,
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  Speaker 2: 6 p.m. Eastern on Sunday. I don't remember the last
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  Speaker 2: time that this deadline, the initial 53s, 6 p.m. Eastern, Monday,
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  Speaker 2: 1 p.m. Eastern, waivers run. Within the next hour, practice
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  Speaker 2: squads could be set, which are super fluid. No team
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  Speaker 2: in the history of national football, I'm sure, has ever
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  Speaker 2: kept the same guys from week one to now week 18.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, that's it. We'll see what happens. It was fun.
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  Speaker 2: You can see how we struggled.
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  Speaker 1: It was interesting. It lent itself to really good football
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  Speaker 1: conversation and roster construction conversation. That's going to do it
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