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Killer Dad Chris Watts Secret Prison Bride, Steamy Makeout Sessions · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Killer dad Chris Watts murders his pregnant wife Shenan and
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Speaker 2: their unborn baby boy Nico, and both office little girls
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Speaker 2: Bella and Celeste. Tonight, bombshell Chris Watts, secret prison bride
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Speaker 2: who is marrying family annihilator Chris Watts, And to just
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Speaker 2: top it off, steamy makeout sessions behind bars with witnesses.
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Speaker 2: Ew Good Evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to trust me that when I tell you that
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Speaker 3: these two beautiful girls right here, I did nothing to them.
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Speaker 4: And to my beautiful wife, I did nothing to her.
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Speaker 4: I don't think anything.
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Speaker 3: I could out him by the thing I'd ever knew it,
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Speaker 3: but I did. I had put my hands around my
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Speaker 3: wife's man. I looked at her and I.
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Speaker 5: Just call top her.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know she ly should.
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Speaker 6: I didn't find out she was disappeared, like she had
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Speaker 6: gone missing until like he was being investigated. I remember
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Speaker 6: I was doing a haircut at the like when it
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Speaker 6: came on the radio. We were with the radio. We
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Speaker 6: were listening to you at work, and they had said
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Speaker 6: something about like husband of you know she and they
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Speaker 6: said Chris Watt, and I was like, that sounds so familiar,
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Speaker 6: but I just I didn't think anything of it. And
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Speaker 6: then I was going through on her Facebook and I
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Speaker 6: saw like an article, you know, like I saw I
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Speaker 6: recognize his his face. I can't put the tune together.
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Speaker 6: And that's what I kind of, you know, that kind
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Speaker 6: of kicked off from there. I felt horrible, horrible for
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Speaker 6: for for her and those little girls. You know that
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Speaker 6: that was initially, you know, just just devastate on us
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Speaker 6: if he had the capacity to do that to his
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Speaker 6: own family, Like, you know, like I'm just, you know,
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Speaker 6: some some chick he was he messed with.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 6: I hate the things that I let him do to me.
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Speaker 6: I hate the things that I put up with from him.
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Speaker 6: I hate the things that you know, if if how
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Speaker 6: if getting away with what he was doing to me
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Speaker 6: gave him a little bit more confidence to you know,
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Speaker 6: treat the next one worse.
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Speaker 2: That is one of killer Dad, Chris wats many many mistresses.
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Speaker 2: That was Amanda McMahon speaking to our friends at Daily Mail.
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Speaker 2: Now whoa, whoa. Don't get confused, because that is not
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Speaker 2: the prison bride joining us an All Star panel the
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Speaker 2: phenomenon law of who would move their whole family across
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Speaker 2: the country to be closer to a convicted killer, much
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Speaker 2: less a convicted three time killer. Straight out to Ruth
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Speaker 2: Bashinski joining US investigative crime reporter Daily Mail, who broke
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Speaker 2: the story. Ruth, who is the mysterious Lizzie?
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Speaker 8: She sure as mysterious Nancy.
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Speaker 9: So her name is Lizzie Henderson, and what we know
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Speaker 9: about her is actually a thirty ninety year old realtor.
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Speaker 9: She was living in Cleveland, Ohio, just doing multiple jobs,
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Speaker 9: and she basically was in a lot of you know,
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Speaker 9: different relationships with it seemed like older men that nothing
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Speaker 9: seemed to ever. You know, she never got married. She
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Speaker 9: was pretty much living a single life. And she we
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Speaker 9: don't really know how she met Chris, but they've been
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Speaker 9: together for we could say since with certainties, since twenty
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Speaker 9: twenty four. And she basically picked up and moved from Cleveland,
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Speaker 9: Ohio to racing in Wisconsin to be closer to the
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Speaker 9: present where he is going to be in for the
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Speaker 9: rest of his life.
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Speaker 2: I wonder how that works. Oh okay, I've got a
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Speaker 2: question for the New York Control Room. Why is it
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Speaker 2: every time we cover Chris Watts. You insist on showing
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Speaker 2: him without a shirt? Nobody cares. Yes, that take it
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Speaker 2: down now. I wait, let's just have a little refresher
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Speaker 2: about who is Chris Watts who apparently is having steamy
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Speaker 2: makeout sessions behind bars with his new prison bride who
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Speaker 2: moved across the country to be with him. Dave Matt
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter. What happened to Shenan, Nico, Bella
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Speaker 2: and Celeste.
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Speaker 10: Chris Watts strangled Shane Anne, who was pregnant with their
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Speaker 10: son Nico. After strangling her, Chris Watts suffocated his little girls,
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Speaker 10: Bella who was only four, and Ceci, who was three. Then,
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Speaker 10: after suffocating these precious children, he shoved them through an
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Speaker 10: eight inch hole into a crude oil container where he worked,
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Speaker 10: leaving marks on their little heads from shoving them through
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Speaker 10: the holes into those crude oil containers. And he buried
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Speaker 10: Shane Anne in a shallow grave. That's what Chris Watts did.
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Speaker 11: I like that?
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Speaker 8: Sure, really, really, that's awesome.
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Speaker 9: So pink means that's just the test.
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Speaker 3: The pink is going to be girls.
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Speaker 2: That's awesome, No idiot, When the line comes across the
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Speaker 2: ept that means you're pregnant. The fact that the line
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Speaker 2: is pink does not mean it's a girl. Out of
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Speaker 2: all the women you cheated on Shannan with. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, Dave mac, it's not Shane ann it's Sanan With.
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Speaker 2: All the women you cheated on Shanan with, you should
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Speaker 2: know about pregnancy tests. That's Shanane. She had on an oops,
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Speaker 2: we did it again t shirt and he comes out
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Speaker 2: and goes really while he went on to murder her
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Speaker 2: their unborn son, Nico, and that will all his whole family,
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Speaker 2: including the two little girls. And speaking of listen to Bella.
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Speaker 12: My daddy is a hero.
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Speaker 2: He helps me grow up sun He helped me.
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Speaker 3: Oh s good too.
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Speaker 8: He reads me books.
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Speaker 2: He's calashes.
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Speaker 7: A few.
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Speaker 13: Food blue my daddy, Daddy, and love you.
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Speaker 2: Bella and Celeste were horribly murdered and they were stuffed
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Speaker 2: into cylindrical oil containers about that big, about eleven or
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Speaker 2: twelve inches wide. To doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief
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Speaker 2: Medical Examiner Terran County, Fort Worth, Star Off Mayhem and
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Speaker 2: the Morgue. He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett
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Speaker 2: School of Medicine at TCU and has performed literally thousands
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Speaker 2: of medical autopsies. Doctor Kendall Crowns explain how the two
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Speaker 2: little girls, Bella and Celesti we were just watching were
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Speaker 2: d sleeved and what does that mean.
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Speaker 14: So desleeved is basically when you begin to decompose, your
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Speaker 14: skin surface begins to come off, the bonds between the
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Speaker 14: epidermis and dermas start breaking down, and your outer skin
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Speaker 14: surface comes off. Now, the older girl, I believe her
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Speaker 14: name was Bella, she also had abrasions on her body
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Speaker 14: from being shoved through the opening of the oil drum,
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Speaker 14: causing abrasions on her chest and back and buttocks as well.
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Speaker 14: And also if you look at her autopsy report, she
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Speaker 14: may have she probably struggled because there's injuries to her frinula,
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Speaker 14: her gum lawe from being smothered. And then she also
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Speaker 14: has the oil in her stomach, so I think she
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Speaker 14: was possibly alive and gulping in the oil after she
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Speaker 14: was shoved into the oil drum.
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Speaker 2: Put up, Doctor Crown's, please hold on, I'm processing what
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Speaker 2: you just said because I've heard about the skin coming
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Speaker 2: off the little girl's arms being desleeved that I'll just
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Speaker 2: checked on my notes and that container was only about
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Speaker 2: eight inches that he shoved their bodies into. But I
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Speaker 2: had not heard that the girls had oil in their stomach.
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Speaker 14: What so it's the older one, Bella has oil in
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Speaker 14: her Let me see what the autopsy report exactly says.
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Speaker 14: But she has oil in her stomach contents, and she
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Speaker 14: also on her tuxqoloity showed hydrocarbons and oxygenated volatiles, which
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Speaker 14: would be associated with the oil drum itself. So to me,
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Speaker 14: it looks like she could have been alive, like he
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Speaker 14: smothered her. There's bruising on the frinula and on the
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Speaker 14: gum line, but she was passed out and then he
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Speaker 14: shoves her through the oil drum, causing the abrasions on
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Speaker 14: her body, and then she may have woken up once
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Speaker 14: in the oil drum and then drowned. Essentially an oil
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Speaker 14: because you shouldn't have a positive tuxicology result if you
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Speaker 14: were dead, because it wouldn't be able to circulate into
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Speaker 14: your body. And also when you compare the two Bella
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Speaker 14: to Celeste, the younger child, Celeste does not have any
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Speaker 14: oil in her stomach, so she's probably dead when she
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Speaker 14: goes in, whereas the older child who obviously fought back
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Speaker 14: because she's bitter cheek. She's got damage of her frinuline
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Speaker 14: and gum line. She possibly was still alive when she
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Speaker 14: was put into the oil drums.
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Speaker 2: Franz of Borkart criminal defense attorney, founder Boorcart Law Firm.
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Speaker 2: Why should he get a prison bride and steamy makeout sessions?
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Speaker 11: I don't think he can. Wisconsin is a non conjugal
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Speaker 11: visit state. Nancy, so well, I'm just worrying.
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Speaker 2: What has it's happening.
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Speaker 11: I'm telling you, they're not supposed to.
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Speaker 2: Let that happened. Yeah, Nanny, Nanni, boo boo, don't do
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Speaker 2: dead again. It's already happened. How is it happening?
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Speaker 11: So, Nancy, even though he's incarcerated for the rest of
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Speaker 11: his life, he still enjoys the same constitutional rights that
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Speaker 11: we do. That includes the right to have visitors, the
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Speaker 11: right to be married. As sick and as disgusting as.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm looking at the Constitution, the pocket Constitution
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Speaker 2: I carry with me. I don't see any thing in
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Speaker 2: here about a three times Some would argue four time
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Speaker 2: convicted killer having a right to conjugal visits. The Constitution
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Speaker 2: does not have the word conjugal in it in one place?
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Speaker 2: Would you like to tell everybody what conjugal means sex?
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Speaker 11: Conal means intimacy, intimacy?
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Speaker 2: Okay, what look around are you in pre k No?
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Speaker 2: Conjugal visits mean sex visits like your van der Sloot
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Speaker 2: has with all the women that come to see him.
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Speaker 2: I believe he's father two children since he was behind bars.
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Speaker 2: That's what conjugal visits mean. Oh dear, don't take him down.
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Speaker 2: The sight of him makes me ill. That's what a
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Speaker 2: conjugal business. I don't see where the founding father says
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Speaker 2: convicted killers have a right to get it on.
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Speaker 11: But he hasn't had conjugal visits. Is there an allegation
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Speaker 11: that he's had so with this woman? I don't think
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Speaker 11: there is.
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Speaker 2: Head blowing off? Dave Matt, can you please help Franz Bordheart,
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Speaker 2: It's already happened. There are witnesses that saw the steamy
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Speaker 2: makeout session behind bars on visiting day.
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Speaker 10: Nancy in Wisconsin. In this prison, each inmate is allowed
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Speaker 10: eight to ten seconds of physical contact with their visitor
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Speaker 10: when the person arrives and when they leave. But for
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Speaker 10: anybody who's familiar with how the prison system works, and
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Speaker 10: our witnesses in there that saw the makeout session, it
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Speaker 10: can go much longer than the eight to ten seconds.
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Speaker 10: Once you allow touching, it goes as far as they
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Speaker 10: can possibly take it.
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Speaker 1: And that's what apparently is happening.
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Speaker 10: Garts just turned the other way.
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Speaker 2: To Ruth Bashenski, joining US investigative crime reporter at deal Email,
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Speaker 2: who broke this story. There are steamy makeout sessions going.
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Speaker 2: I don't know who this woman is. But before I
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Speaker 2: get to who is mysterious Lizzie?
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Speaker 1: What can you?
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Speaker 2: Can you refresh Franz more parts recollection, in other words,
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Speaker 2: talk some sense into him. It's happening. It's not not
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Speaker 2: supposed to happen. It's already happened.
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Speaker 9: Nancy is right, Franz, it is happening. They have apparently
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Speaker 9: they did get married somehow. You know, we attempted to
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Speaker 9: get those records and what we were getting some pushback from,
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Speaker 9: I guess the officials in Wisconsin because unless I was
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Speaker 9: next to Ken, they wouldn't release any information about what
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Speaker 9: officially went down with Lizzie Henderson and Chris Watts. But
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Speaker 9: what we know is that she was wearing a wedding band,
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Speaker 9: a wedding ring, she legally changed her name to Lizzie Watts,
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Speaker 9: and it just seems like it seems crazy. I mean,
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Speaker 9: I'm sitting here and this whole story is bizarre. I
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Speaker 9: think we're all wondering the same thing. Why would she
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Speaker 9: want to be with someone who is an absolute psychopath.
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Speaker 9: I'm still trying to investigate that, you know, God willing
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Speaker 9: off on the answer at some point.
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Speaker 8: But yeah, so it's happening in real time, and I'm.
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Speaker 9: Sure she's still going to continue seeing him because now
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Speaker 9: she's his wife.
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Speaker 2: You were seeing pictures of Lizzie Henderson, the blushing Bride
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Speaker 2: from our friends at Daily Mail.
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Speaker 7: I was in a really, really, really bad place and
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Speaker 7: I got friends to friend request from Chris on Facebook
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Speaker 7: and I was like, Ah, what the heck, I'm never
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Speaker 7: going to meet him, except well, one thing led to another,
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Speaker 7: and eight years later, we have two kids, we live
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Speaker 7: in Colorado, and he's the best thing that has ever
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Speaker 7: happened to me.
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Speaker 2: That is Shenan Watts, pregnant with baby Nico at the time.
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Speaker 2: She was murdered and buried in a shallow grave not
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Speaker 2: far from where her two daughters were disposed of in
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Speaker 2: those oil canisters. Dodger Kendel Crowns, could you explain what
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Speaker 2: is coffin birth.
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Speaker 14: So Coffin birth is when a pregnant individual decomposes and
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Speaker 14: the gases that are formed by the bacteria of decomposition
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Speaker 14: causing the body to swell and bloat up and the
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Speaker 14: pregnant person these gases begin to push on the uterus.
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Speaker 14: They and if it creates enough pressure, it actually forces
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Speaker 14: the unborn fetus out of the birth canal along with
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Speaker 14: the placina. So coffin birth is a pregnant woman who
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Speaker 14: is decomposed and then the decomposition gas pushes the baby out.
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Speaker 2: Shanan had coffin birth there in that shallow grave at
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Speaker 2: the Enadarco oil field. Baby Niko was born, both of
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Speaker 2: them dead of course when her body was discovered. So
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Speaker 2: now we've got Lizzie Henderson under his spell, we had
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Speaker 2: Shenann under his spell, and here is Amanda McMahon clearly
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Speaker 2: under his spell. What spell that is, I'm not sure,
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Speaker 2: but listen, he just.
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Speaker 6: Kind of pulled the next to me and he rolled
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Speaker 6: down the pastor window and I rolled down, you know,
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Speaker 6: my window, and he was like, come, in or you know,
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Speaker 6: I'm mocked, he's a get in here or whatever. It
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Speaker 6: was very he was very sure, very forward, very sure
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Speaker 6: of himself. He was able to turn in term a
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Speaker 6: charm for anything he needed from.
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Speaker 2: Our friends at Daily Now.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I need help. A guy comes up, rolls down the
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Speaker 2: window and says, get in and you just jump in.
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Speaker 2: Okay to Dater Jeralan Utter, joining us clinical psychologists specializing
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Speaker 2: in psychological evaluations, just like this, author of main lining
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Speaker 2: Past Events shake up your life Today, and produced from
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Speaker 2: Startup Utter Nonsense, help me out. He rolls down the
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Speaker 2: window and says, get in, and she just jumps in,
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Speaker 2: like curb service, you know, like an asnic you pull up,
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Speaker 2: you toot too, and they bring you a hamburger like that.
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Speaker 12: Like that, exactly like that. So I think it's important
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Speaker 12: to pay attention to what she said after that. She
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Speaker 12: said he was very forward. Was she indicated that he
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Speaker 12: was very assertive. And there's something that I kind of
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Speaker 12: want to bring to everyone's attention. There's a psychological concept
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Speaker 12: Nancy called the halo effect and the halo effect has
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Speaker 12: to do with what somebody looks like. So people who
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Speaker 12: are perceived objectively as more attractive or handsome, they tend
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Speaker 12: to like positive traits get associated or attached to them,
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Speaker 12: whereas somebody who's less attractive.
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Speaker 2: You know, he's handsome, doctor Jerlyn, I think he looks
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Speaker 2: like Satan.
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Speaker 12: He looks like Satan to you, But there are people
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Speaker 12: and women out there that find him attractive, and don't
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Speaker 12: put me in that list, because I'm with you, Nancy.
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Speaker 12: I don't feel as though he's attractive at all. But
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Speaker 12: there's a concept called the halo effect, a psychological concept,
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Speaker 12: and that concept has to do with people who are
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Speaker 12: perceived as attractive. It's hard for you to associate bad
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Speaker 12: things with them. So if you're attractive and you're good looking,
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Speaker 12: then people can't, you know, wrap around their heads that
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Speaker 12: they could do something like this. They essentially get away
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Speaker 12: with more, which is a perfect concept or quality to
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Speaker 12: have if somebody perceives you as attractive and to also
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Speaker 12: be a sociopath, which is what Christopher Watts is.
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Speaker 2: To Ruth Bishenski, joining US investigative crime reporter at Daily Mail,
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Speaker 2: who broke this story. Ruth, what can you tell me
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Speaker 2: about the prison visit.
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Speaker 8: So, Nancy, there was a I found this woman.
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Speaker 9: She actually was visiting a loved one at the Dodge
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Speaker 9: Correctional Facility where Chris is staying in for the rest
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Speaker 9: of his life, and she saw she was actually in
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Speaker 9: shock because Chris was a few feet away from her.
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Speaker 9: She was with her person, just having a snack. The
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Speaker 9: next thing she knows, she turns around and sees Chris
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Speaker 9: Watts with this woman. They were reading the Bible together.
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Speaker 9: She was kind of having like a silent freak out,
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Speaker 9: like turning around, goving, does anyone see what I'm seeing?
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Speaker 8: This is Chris Watts.
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Speaker 9: He killed his wife and on born son and two
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Speaker 9: little daughters. And she was kind of having like a moment,
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Speaker 9: and she walked closer to him so she can see
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Speaker 9: his name tag that said Chris Watts. And she told
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Speaker 9: me that she so wanted to see to him. You're
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Speaker 9: my hero, Daddy's my hero. But obviously she knew she
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Speaker 9: would get kicked out of the facility.
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Speaker 8: If she did.
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Speaker 9: But she was thinking what we're all thinking, why is
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Speaker 9: he allowed to have this so called girlfriend now wife?
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Speaker 9: And she was just as you know, agitated as we
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Speaker 9: were like thinking, how could this go on? And when
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Speaker 9: I spoke to Lizzie on the phone, she basically doesn't.
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Speaker 9: She was very angry that I was actually trying to
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Speaker 9: find her. She was angry that I was reaching out
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Speaker 9: to family members. She did not want to be called.
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Speaker 9: She doesn't want to be in the public eye. She
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Speaker 9: basically was very defensive of being with Chris, and she
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Speaker 9: was saying like it was between her, Chris and God,
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Speaker 9: and that you know, people could perceive their relationship as
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Speaker 9: being very strange and weird, and Chris knows how she feels.
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Speaker 9: But she said that, you know, basically it's really no
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Speaker 9: one's business. Yes, And you know, she's kind of like
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Speaker 9: an alternative universe. I feel like she just is in
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Speaker 9: denial with these heinous crimes that he committed, and she
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Speaker 9: doesn't want to be in the public eye. And she's
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Speaker 9: telling me she's a very private person. But meanwhile she's
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Speaker 9: with America's most hated person in.
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Speaker 8: The world, you know, kill her dad, Ruth.
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Speaker 1: But she's gay.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate them reading the Bible together, But what about
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Speaker 2: the makeout session, as Franz board Card says, that didn't happen,
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Speaker 2: Yes it did. It's called a conjugal visit boardcard. Is
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Speaker 2: she the same one that saw that go down?
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Speaker 11: She saw?
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Speaker 9: Okay, so when she was in the visiting room and
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Speaker 9: she saw Chris Watts, she saw them.
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Speaker 8: They're not allowed to.
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Speaker 9: Have any physical touch during the actual visit. All they
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Speaker 9: can really do is talk and hold the Bible and pray.
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Speaker 9: But when it was time to when they she arrived
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Speaker 9: and when she left, they will really hugging and making
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Speaker 9: out and kissing.
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Speaker 8: They were literally all over each other.
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Speaker 9: And then they got to take a picture together and
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Speaker 9: you know, I don't know, he pays for it out
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Speaker 9: of his commissary.
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Speaker 8: It's like got dollas twenty five. And you know she
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Speaker 8: saw them. They were ahead of her holding each other
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Speaker 8: for this prison photo. And of course I was going
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Speaker 8: to see that prison photo. I'll never get to see
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Speaker 8: and I hope, but never say never.
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Speaker 9: And yeah, she saw it with her own eyes, and
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Speaker 9: she was freaking out, and I'm so happy that she
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Speaker 9: shared this story with me and I got to report
23:35
Speaker 9: on it.
23:36
Speaker 8: So yeah, who knows, maybe she'll be pregnant.
23:39
Speaker 11: Who knows.
23:40
Speaker 6: We kind of connected or bonded over the fact that
23:44
Speaker 6: we were both going through what he told me separation
23:47
Speaker 6: from his He called her his baby mama or like
23:52
Speaker 6: just like he never referred to her as his wife.
23:55
Speaker 6: Like never remember him saying that he took the angle
23:59
Speaker 6: that she was using the kids as a pond for
24:04
Speaker 6: him and kind of just dingling him and making his
24:06
Speaker 6: life miserable about it, you'd call her a psycho and
24:12
Speaker 6: cool digging just like any like just shot that you
24:16
Speaker 6: could take he took, you know, like, he said that
24:20
Speaker 6: her purpose in life was to make him miserable. At
24:22
Speaker 6: one point I knew you know what it was when
24:24
Speaker 6: going into it, and he made it very clear.
24:27
Speaker 2: Okay from our friends at Daily Mail, let me understand
24:29
Speaker 2: that what I'm seeing right there. To Ruth Bashinski, there
24:32
Speaker 2: you seeing one, I mean, get in line of his
24:36
Speaker 2: many mistresses. That's a Manda mcmon stating we connected and
24:41
Speaker 2: bonded over the fact we were going through what he
24:43
Speaker 2: told me separation. You mean they're still married, that's what
24:46
Speaker 2: that means. He called her his baby mama. It's a
24:50
Speaker 2: good thing I don't have a gun because if my
24:52
Speaker 2: husband ever called me that, there would be some shooting. Okay.
24:57
Speaker 2: He called her the baby mama. Okay, what else? He
25:01
Speaker 2: never referred to her as his wife. He took the
25:05
Speaker 2: angle the children were a pawn, and he called her
25:10
Speaker 2: a psycho and a gold digger. She was the one working,
25:14
Speaker 2: having to travel out of town. She worked, She redecorated
25:18
Speaker 2: the whole home on a budget. She bought the clothes
25:21
Speaker 2: for the children, She took care of the children, She
25:24
Speaker 2: fed the children. He just showed up. What and he's
25:28
Speaker 2: calling her the gold digger.
25:33
Speaker 9: Well, it shows you how twisted his mind was. I mean,
25:36
Speaker 9: he was You're not dealing with someone normal, clearly. I mean,
25:41
Speaker 9: you know, when Amanda met Chris, they met on Tinder,
25:46
Speaker 9: and it just seems like he was, you know, going
25:49
Speaker 9: through all these dating apps and Amanda seemed like she
25:52
Speaker 9: was just part of his playbook. And you know when
25:57
Speaker 9: they met at the chick fil A, we were it
26:00
Speaker 9: on this and they went in the car that had
26:03
Speaker 9: the tinted windows, and then they drove to her apartment
26:06
Speaker 9: and they had, you know, their sexual encounter. They were,
26:10
Speaker 9: you know, playing a really strange movie.
26:12
Speaker 8: In the background. I'm sure you'll get to that. Shutter Islands.
26:16
Speaker 8: That movie was so eerie. It was about Leonardo DiCaprio
26:20
Speaker 8: was in it.
26:20
Speaker 9: It's about this marshal that kills his children first and
26:25
Speaker 9: then he kills his wife. And Chris was the one
26:28
Speaker 9: who decided to choose that movie. When he was alone
26:33
Speaker 9: with Amanda having you know, very rough sex that terrified
26:39
Speaker 9: her basically just like what went on in that bedroom.
26:44
Speaker 9: I just can't stop thinking about it because I felt
26:47
Speaker 9: like he was enacting what he was eventually.
26:50
Speaker 8: Going to do with Shanan, So I mean, I can
26:54
Speaker 8: go on it, you know.
26:57
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, she described it as, you know,
27:00
Speaker 9: he put his hands around his neck, he was choking her.
27:04
Speaker 8: He went from normal to crazy. His eyes just completely.
27:07
Speaker 9: Changed, and that he basically had this animalistic fury in him,
27:13
Speaker 9: so you know, he like turned her around and wanted
27:17
Speaker 9: to do things to her that you know, so violating.
27:21
Speaker 9: Like you know, they were they were pretty much on
27:23
Speaker 9: a first date. You know, it's one thing that they
27:26
Speaker 9: got intimate, but how he was acting towards her which
27:30
Speaker 9: just completely so scary. I mean, it's hard to believe
27:33
Speaker 9: they continued with this ten month relationship, but that's what
27:37
Speaker 9: they did. She was going through a tough time with
27:40
Speaker 9: her ex and custody of their kids. He was lying
27:44
Speaker 9: to her every minute. She was also addicted to prescription drugs.
27:49
Speaker 8: They were both in. She was in a bad place.
27:51
Speaker 8: She wasn't thinking rationally, That's why she chose Chris.
27:55
Speaker 1: But clearly he was.
27:57
Speaker 8: He's a madman.
27:58
Speaker 9: I have no idea what to see Hunterson season hell,
28:02
Speaker 9: and I'm just intrigued. As the whole contrary.
28:05
Speaker 6: When we met that first time in the parking lot.
28:08
Speaker 1: You know, crime stores with Nancy Grace.
28:19
Speaker 6: Knew what was going to happen. The whole thing was
28:21
Speaker 6: was just off. It was like, you know, it was
28:24
Speaker 6: like a snap of finger like things just kind of changed,
28:27
Speaker 6: Like he just got like it's like something came over
28:29
Speaker 6: him and we went from normal to crazy like brutal
28:33
Speaker 6: on those he just didn't look the same in his eyes.
28:36
Speaker 6: It happened way too fast, you know, and it threw
28:41
Speaker 6: it threw me off. I wasn't scared like I was
28:43
Speaker 6: going to die. I was scared like he was going
28:46
Speaker 6: to hurt me, you know, like not intentionally. We only
28:50
Speaker 6: ever had sex like maybe two other times. I would
28:54
Speaker 6: always you know, I mean, he definitely hit me up
28:56
Speaker 6: a lot more and for that we hung out a
28:58
Speaker 6: few more times without.
28:59
Speaker 5: The physical stuf.
29:00
Speaker 6: He was extremely rough and he didn't really ask permission,
29:04
Speaker 6: and he choked me. I'm pretty aggressive. It's so awkward
29:07
Speaker 6: for me to talk about all this. He had his
29:09
Speaker 6: hand on my neck and it probably eoks hu minutes
29:12
Speaker 6: in and that's when it kind of turned a little crazy.
29:15
Speaker 6: So he had put his hand on my throat and
29:18
Speaker 6: I got all freaked out anyway, and you just kind
29:21
Speaker 6: of have this like animalistic fury. Like it was just hard,
29:24
Speaker 6: it was rough, and he just went into his own
29:28
Speaker 6: He just didn't look the same in his eyes. He
29:31
Speaker 6: took me by by the neck and he grabbed me
29:33
Speaker 6: from underneath. He pulled me up and then he like
29:36
Speaker 6: turned me down and it was very, very uncomfortable. It
29:41
Speaker 6: was weird.
29:42
Speaker 2: That's from our friends at Daily Mail and the Trial USA. Well.
29:47
Speaker 2: The new prison Bride, the mysterious Lizzie Henderson is not
29:53
Speaker 2: the first woman to fall for and marry a convicted killer.
30:00
Speaker 2: Until death do us part a forever? Promise to have
30:04
Speaker 2: it to hold But what if you can't hold them?
30:08
Speaker 2: What if they're behind bars for murder? Ted Bundy, Charles Manson,
30:14
Speaker 2: the Menindez Brothers, Chris Watts, they all found love in
30:19
Speaker 2: luck of as a victim of violent crime. Myself these
30:24
Speaker 2: murder matchups behind bars are very hard for me to understand.
30:29
Speaker 2: Why do women marry men who murder? Why with all
30:35
Speaker 2: the men and the world, would anyone ever marry a murderer.
30:41
Speaker 4: It feels wonderful.
30:43
Speaker 10: I'm so happy.
30:44
Speaker 15: I'm so thrilled, very proud, and a little believe that
30:51
Speaker 15: the bulk of the day is over and just hopefully
30:54
Speaker 15: I can enjoy the rest of my day in peace
30:56
Speaker 15: with Richard's family and think about the importance of what
31:01
Speaker 15: happened today.
31:03
Speaker 2: That from our friends at Foxination marrying a murderer, and
31:07
Speaker 2: from hard Copy that was Daren Lloyd, Richard Ramirez's wife.
31:13
Speaker 2: But there's more.
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Speaker 6: Have you ever found somebody that you kind of feel like,
31:17
Speaker 6: kind of saves you when you lost yourself.
31:19
Speaker 7: I almost feel like he's like my lighthouse. He guided
31:23
Speaker 7: me back to where I really needed to be.
31:27
Speaker 2: Gonzalez admits he takes the butt of a gun and
31:31
Speaker 2: beats Thornberg repeatedly in the head, bashing his skull in
31:37
Speaker 2: and leaving him on the floor to bleed out and die.
31:42
Speaker 2: Gonzalez confessed, and he pled guilty in court under oath.
31:49
Speaker 2: He pleads guilty to a brutal murder but it didn't
31:53
Speaker 2: matter to his prison bride, and we see it played
31:56
Speaker 2: out again now with killer Dad Chris Watson. That's from
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Speaker 2: our friends at Fox Nation, and you were hearing Kathy
32:02
Speaker 2: Gonzalez Tattoo. Gonzalez's wife. Joining us now is a special guest, CHERYLN. Catl,
32:09
Speaker 2: the author of The Murders of Christopher Watts and The
32:13
Speaker 2: Meany Faces of Christopher Watts, A five year update. Cherylin
32:18
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight. What's your take
32:21
Speaker 2: on the new prison Bride?
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm not surprised.
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Speaker 13: Back in early twenty four she messaged me and told
32:31
Speaker 13: me that she was kind of with him and wanted
32:34
Speaker 13: to know what I thought, And I told her what
32:37
Speaker 13: I thought, and she ended up cussing me out and
32:43
Speaker 13: telling me I was so totally wrong. That well, at
32:45
Speaker 13: the very beginning, when I asked him about her, he
32:48
Speaker 13: denied knowing her, and when I told her that, she
32:51
Speaker 13: got really angry. And I didn't know for sure, because
32:56
Speaker 13: there's a lot of women that have messaged me and
32:58
Speaker 13: so that they are getting letters with him from him,
33:01
Speaker 13: and they're very sexual and they felt, you know, this
33:04
Speaker 13: romantic tie to him.
33:05
Speaker 8: So I don't know about Lizzie here, She's not going to.
33:08
Speaker 2: Be the only one.
33:09
Speaker 8: I hope she realizes that.
33:11
Speaker 13: But what I question that I have, Nancy, is are
33:15
Speaker 13: those Shenan's wedding rings that Lizzie is wearing?
33:20
Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven. Okay, Ruth Bashinski? These are
33:27
Speaker 2: shots from the Daily Meal and with us is Ruth
33:30
Speaker 2: Bashinski who broke the story, the investigative crime reporter at
33:34
Speaker 2: Daily Meal. Is he using his dead wives wedding man
33:39
Speaker 2: and rings with Lizzie?
33:44
Speaker 9: That is literally the first thing that went through my mind.
33:46
Speaker 9: I'm like, that has got to be answerings. I mean,
33:48
Speaker 9: where would he get them? But we are looking into
33:53
Speaker 9: that right now, Nancy, because I need to find out
33:56
Speaker 9: where those rings came from.
33:57
Speaker 8: I doubt they came from. I don't know where they're from,
34:01
Speaker 8: but it seems like it. Hope you should.
34:03
Speaker 2: But it's Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, I guarantee you this. He
34:07
Speaker 2: did not get them at the prison Commissary. I believe
34:13
Speaker 2: you'd answer, what, if any financial gain could there possibly
34:19
Speaker 2: be to marry Chris Watts, a family annihilator, a guy
34:25
Speaker 2: that's had a string of affairs behind his wife's back.
34:31
Speaker 2: Let's think, think, think, ye we.
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Speaker 5: According to content creator Plunder, please go over subscribe to
34:39
Speaker 5: her channel, give her credit where it's due. Lizzy filed
34:44
Speaker 5: a Chapter seven bankruptcy before moving from Ohio to Wisconsin.
34:53
Speaker 5: Why do I bring this up?
34:55
Speaker 2: And why does Plunder bring it up as well?
34:58
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not here to air dirty laundry.
35:01
Speaker 5: Like I said, a lot of us have known about
35:02
Speaker 5: Lizzie for two years and have said nothing because we
35:08
Speaker 5: care about this woman's genuine safety.
35:11
Speaker 2: It's not about.
35:14
Speaker 5: Going after her because she's with Chris Watts. We're here
35:17
Speaker 5: to be like honey, we want you to find Jesus
35:21
Speaker 5: and get away from Chris Watts. But anyway, digress. So
35:28
Speaker 5: the reason we bring up the Chapter seven bankruptcy is
35:31
Speaker 5: it would show motive as to why would you marry
35:35
Speaker 5: Chris Watts.
35:36
Speaker 2: To Cherylyn Catle joining us, author of the Murders of
35:39
Speaker 2: Christopher Watts. In the Many Faces of Christopher Watt's A
35:42
Speaker 2: five year updates Cherylyn. Isn't it true that Christopher Watts
35:47
Speaker 2: stated at some point during the investigation he took Sheenan's
35:50
Speaker 2: rings off her finger and set them on the bedside table.
35:54
Speaker 13: Yes, and I do believe that his mother ended up
35:57
Speaker 13: with him for him, There's very few things that they
36:02
Speaker 13: were able to keep, but the wedding rings were.
36:05
Speaker 8: I would be so shocked that those are not the
36:08
Speaker 8: wedding rings that sNaN wore.
36:10
Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Jerald utter, what does that mean? Who wants
36:14
Speaker 2: to wear a murdered woman's wedding rings and band? This
36:21
Speaker 2: has got to mean something psychologic. But I'm just a
36:25
Speaker 2: trial lawyer, So what does it mean.
36:29
Speaker 12: If we assume that that's even true. I mean, with
36:31
Speaker 12: my experience working with incarcerated individuals and people who love them,
36:36
Speaker 12: a lot of the times, the women who get married,
36:38
Speaker 12: you know, to men who are incarcerated or partner who
36:40
Speaker 12: are incarcerated, are actually out there buying their own rings
36:43
Speaker 12: on their own dime. So I wouldn't be surprised if,
36:46
Speaker 12: if you know, if she purchased them herselves. But I think,
36:49
Speaker 12: but I think the bigger issue here is and what
36:51
Speaker 12: people are like. I don't understand how all person can
36:53
Speaker 12: do this, How can a woman do this? He's an annihilator,
36:56
Speaker 12: he's a sociopath. But this is one thing psychologically that
37:00
Speaker 12: you want to pay attention attention to a lot of women,
37:03
Speaker 12: aren't this woman in particular, Lizzie is not seeing the
37:07
Speaker 12: Chris that killed his family. Yes, intellectually she has received
37:12
Speaker 12: that information and she knows. But what she what she's
37:15
Speaker 12: saying and what her own psyche's doing, is she's thinking, well,
37:18
Speaker 12: you know, I can get to the good man underneath,
37:21
Speaker 12: like I know that there's a good guy there and
37:23
Speaker 12: I'm the one me, Lizzy, I'm the one who has
37:26
Speaker 12: helped bring that out. And you know, this relationship is
37:29
Speaker 12: going to be different. Another thing that is really important
37:31
Speaker 12: to understand is regardless if you're getting conjugal visits or
37:34
Speaker 12: you're getting a little sexy or intimacy or whatever you
37:36
Speaker 12: want to call it with someone in prison, the other
37:39
Speaker 12: thing that you want to remember is it does not
37:41
Speaker 12: test what happens in the rural world. He will never
37:44
Speaker 12: be able to do to Lizzy what he did to
37:48
Speaker 12: Amanda and obviously what he did to Shanan. So him,
37:51
Speaker 12: you know that dark, the eyes getting dark, and having
37:55
Speaker 12: like sex with her and it being rough, It'll never
37:57
Speaker 12: get like that with her. So for Lizzie, it affords
38:00
Speaker 12: her the opportunity to continue living in this fantasy world
38:04
Speaker 12: that isn't representative of the real Chris. So you know,
38:08
Speaker 12: when people say, how can a woman be like that?
38:10
Speaker 12: It's because they're getting a version, not the murderer version.
38:15
Speaker 12: They're getting a different version of this person, and they'll
38:17
Speaker 12: never get close to Chris Watt's the murderer. She'll never
38:21
Speaker 12: see that the way that other people in the outside
38:23
Speaker 12: world have.
38:24
Speaker 5: I don't think that that Ted belongs in jail. The
38:28
Speaker 5: things in Florida don't concern me any more than the
38:31
Speaker 5: things out west do.
38:34
Speaker 11: And those are the things you think.
38:35
Speaker 8: These are trumped up charges.
38:38
Speaker 7: I don't think they had reason to charge Ted Bendy
38:41
Speaker 7: with murder in either Leon County or Columbia County.
38:46
Speaker 13: Are you in love?
38:49
Speaker 12: Yeah, the paperwork hasn't gone through yet, but we already
38:54
Speaker 12: con consider each other to be a husband and wife.
38:57
Speaker 12: People think you're crazy.
39:00
Speaker 8: I really don't care.
39:02
Speaker 16: There are many who would look at Richard Ramirez in
39:04
Speaker 16: the eye and say he is the face of evil,
39:10
Speaker 16: And yet you look at him and you see the
39:12
Speaker 16: man of your dreams.
39:14
Speaker 2: Yes, who needs glasses here?
39:18
Speaker 8: I can't help the way the world looks at him.
39:21
Speaker 8: They don't know him the way I do.
39:23
Speaker 2: Okay, just to quick round up, the first woman you
39:25
Speaker 2: saw is Carol Ann Boone. Ted Bundy's wife. The next
39:30
Speaker 2: is from our friends at CNN. That's often star Elaine Burton,
39:34
Speaker 2: Charles Manson's fiance. And the last one you saw is
39:38
Speaker 2: Daren Lloyd Richard Ramirez's wife. Okay, I'd like to just say.
39:44
Speaker 1: What's wrong with them?
39:46
Speaker 2: But they seem normal to Franz, Borcart joining US veteran
39:53
Speaker 2: trial lawyer out of the Baton Rouge jurisdiction. Could this
39:57
Speaker 2: be a ploy to dig herself out of a BA cruptcy?
40:00
Speaker 2: Is that why she's with Chris Watts?
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Speaker 11: Or or attention seeking behavior because she's got a platform
40:08
Speaker 11: now we're talking about her, we're on national TV, no less.
40:12
Speaker 11: So it could be that Wisconsin has a son of
40:15
Speaker 11: Sam law where he can't profit off of his crime.
40:21
Speaker 11: I don't know that it extends to her Nancy. So
40:24
Speaker 11: can she profit off of her story? Yeah? I think
40:28
Speaker 11: that she can profit off of the relationship.
40:31
Speaker 2: Yes, that's an excellent point. Franz to Sheryl and Catle
40:36
Speaker 2: joining us author of the Murders of Christopher Watts and
40:40
Speaker 2: The Many Faces of Christopher Watts a five year update.
40:44
Speaker 2: You worked with him extensively creating those two books. Is
40:50
Speaker 2: he that charming that he could literally charm the pants
40:54
Speaker 2: off this woman.
40:57
Speaker 13: Not to me, he's not, but I can see why
41:00
Speaker 13: some women who maybe have a need for the extra
41:03
Speaker 13: affection or attention, or maybe something happened in there. I'm
41:08
Speaker 13: not a psychiatrist, so I'm not able to say exactly
41:11
Speaker 13: what happened, but why she would want someone like that.
41:14
Speaker 13: It's got to be a tension seeking like they've said,
41:17
Speaker 13: or that she's had something.
41:21
Speaker 2: Look at your monitor. Yes, that's a sheet that she
41:26
Speaker 2: then was wrapped in. She had the baby in that
41:29
Speaker 2: she dirt. Yeah, what that's where she gave birth to
41:33
Speaker 2: baby Nico, and then he just shoveled the dirt on
41:37
Speaker 2: her face. And somehow he's still getting women even behind bars.
41:44
Speaker 2: A prison bride. Just a quick reality check to doctor
41:51
Speaker 2: Kendall Crown's esteemed a lecturer at the Burnett School of
41:55
Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU and are now medical examiner Dodger Kendall Crowns,
42:02
Speaker 2: could you just remind us what happened to Shenan?
42:06
Speaker 14: So Shenan had injuries of her neck that were consistent
42:09
Speaker 14: with a manual strangulation, hemorrhages in her neck musculature. So
42:14
Speaker 14: she was strangled until she passed out, and then her
42:17
Speaker 14: husband continued to strangle her for another three to four
42:20
Speaker 14: minutes until she was dead. Once she was dead, she
42:23
Speaker 14: was then buried in a shallow grave where she decomposed
42:27
Speaker 14: over time, her bodies changing green discoloration, skin stepping off,
42:33
Speaker 14: filling up with decompositional gases that then created the pressure
42:37
Speaker 14: that resulted in the coffin birth or the baby Nico
42:41
Speaker 14: being expelled out of the vaginal canal. So she died
42:45
Speaker 14: a fairly brutal death because it's a manual strangulation. So
42:49
Speaker 14: she probably fought back and was just strangled until she
42:54
Speaker 14: was dead.
42:55
Speaker 3: And then what happened?
42:58
Speaker 4: I looked at her just.
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Speaker 3: On the top or you gonna tell some Shenan did
43:03
Speaker 3: the same thing?
43:04
Speaker 4: Okay, did you.
43:05
Speaker 3: Get to knock her down?
43:06
Speaker 4: Oh?
43:07
Speaker 3: She was already on the ground, and I was like,
43:09
Speaker 3: I just pulled her off on the bed and oh,
43:11
Speaker 3: kind of one moved out. Okay. So it's not as though, yeah,
43:14
Speaker 3: and I didn't hold her out, No, like I went
43:16
Speaker 3: to fold her down like.
43:18
Speaker 4: I did that. I I didn't know.
43:20
Speaker 3: I lost it.
43:21
Speaker 4: Sure, Okay, So Sheinano was playing on the ground on
43:26
Speaker 4: the bed, on the bed.
43:27
Speaker 3: The babies are gone.
43:33
Speaker 4: Didn't uh?
43:34
Speaker 3: I had put my hands around my wife's neck and
43:37
Speaker 3: did that same thing.
43:41
Speaker 4: It did sinan play back at all.
43:49
Speaker 12: H just done.
43:54
Speaker 3: The rags that I had After seeing that, I.
43:58
Speaker 7: Not much.
44:00
Speaker 3: Are they in the tanks? Can somebody who doesn't know
44:04
Speaker 3: what they're doing helping us?
44:05
Speaker 4: Okay, you don't in the tanks.
44:08
Speaker 3: It's a mixture of oil and lurt.
44:17
Speaker 4: Tell me that she found out here? Where's that from?
44:21
Speaker 3: That was what Schanelle was wrapped in.
44:24
Speaker 4: What about the curlies? What were they wrapped in?
44:28
Speaker 3: Just a empatunas.
44:31
Speaker 4: Don't their blankets or anything? Where did their blankets and tight.
44:37
Speaker 3: Contracto m probably flew back and lend or something right here?
44:43
Speaker 4: Where did you shut them or put them?
44:45
Speaker 10: That was right here?
44:48
Speaker 2: Shenanne wants pregnant with Niko, four year old Bella three
44:55
Speaker 2: year old celest All dead and he their killer has
45:03
Speaker 2: a new prison bride and steamy makeout sessions. We wait
45:11
Speaker 2: as justice unfolds, And now we remember an American hero,
45:15
Speaker 2: Lieutenant John Stewart Lake CITYPD, South Carolina, killed in the
45:20
Speaker 2: line of duty after twenty one years on the force,
45:24
Speaker 2: leaving behind his sons, Nicholas and to Shaun American hero
45:29
Speaker 2: Lieutenant John Stuart. Thank you to our guests for being
45:33
Speaker 2: with us, but especially to you for being with us tonight.
45:36
Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see tomorrow night,
45:38
Speaker 2: and until then, goodnight,