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IFH 842: The Art of Networking in Hollywood – Real Strategies That Work with Erman Baradi & Brandon Waites · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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Speaker 3: Without further ado, I talk to two guys who have
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Speaker 3: been named some of the best networkers out in Hollywood.
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Speaker 3: These guys are both fantastic and we talk a lot
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Speaker 3: about networking, getting your foot in the door, meeting people
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Speaker 3: at parties. I mean, not how do they attend parties,
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Speaker 3: but they also throw their own parties. This is episode
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Speaker 3: with guests are Mom Brody and Brandon Waits.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, growing up, I always had a strong interest
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Speaker 4: in going to the movie theaters and watching movies, reading books,
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Speaker 4: and you know, in my own imagination created creating that
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Speaker 4: book within my own mind. And as I got older
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Speaker 4: into the military, a lot of our off time we
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Speaker 4: would watch movies. There's not much else to do, uh,
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Speaker 4: So I started watching movies over and over and at
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Speaker 4: a certain point it's more like, Okay, what else can
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Speaker 4: I learn about this movie? So I started doing you know,
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Speaker 4: whether it's research or watching behind the scenes, and I
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Speaker 4: just got more and more interested within the filmmaking aspects,
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Speaker 4: producing and directing all that. And while I was in
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Speaker 4: the military, I actually had the opportunity to do security
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Speaker 4: for the guys Michael Bay and his team for the
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Speaker 4: Transformers movies, and that just basically kind of reinforced my interests.
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Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, this is definitely what
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Speaker 4: I want to do. And once I got out, I
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Speaker 4: you know, started building my connections and going from there,
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Speaker 4: met Ramon and we built a couple of companies and
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Speaker 4: we're still pushing it.
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Speaker 3: So when you were working with security for Michael Bay,
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Speaker 3: was that like all the Transformers movies or just particular one.
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Speaker 4: It was the first one that was based out in
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Speaker 4: Alan mcgwordo White Sands area, and then I ended up
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Speaker 4: moving once I got out of the military and moved
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Speaker 4: out here to you know, tuth On, Arizona at that time,
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Speaker 4: and that started filming. I want to say it was
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Speaker 4: the second one out here in the boneyard. So I
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Speaker 4: was around for two of the films.
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Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotch because I remember the second one is the
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Speaker 3: one where or maybe it was the third one where
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Speaker 3: they went to Egypt, and I can't remember which transformers
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Speaker 3: that is, but I remember they went to Egypt for
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Speaker 3: one of them, and I just I just remember, but well,
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Speaker 3: well not just Egypt, but they I remember they were
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Speaker 3: going to all of these different places like that. And
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Speaker 3: I'm always just wondering, you know, about about security about
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Speaker 3: places like that, because you brought it up, because you know,
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Speaker 3: you see all these big, big productions, and even when
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Speaker 3: they're here in Philadelphia or in New York, you know,
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Speaker 3: usually they have PA's that are like guarding entrances and exits,
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Speaker 3: and they always think to myself, you got to have
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Speaker 3: somebody else, you know, you know, a twenty year old
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Speaker 3: PA telling you not to go down an alleyway or
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Speaker 3: whatever is it sometimes just doesn't cut.
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Speaker 4: It right, right. Yeah. What we did more so was
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Speaker 4: security for the actual like aircraft and the flight lines,
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Speaker 4: anything that was military related, making sure no one was
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Speaker 4: going where they weren't supposed to, you know, certain parts
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Speaker 4: of aircraft, arms supposed to be filmed, and then making
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Speaker 4: sure the filmmakers aren'tn't being bugged by, you know, anybody
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Speaker 4: trying to get on base just to see them. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: so that was kind of my job at that.
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Speaker 3: Time, gotcha, And that's you know, And I wasn't completely
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Speaker 3: off base when I was talking about the PA because
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Speaker 3: I was wonder because you mentioned the IAEA. You kept
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Speaker 3: people off, you know, certain people off the out of
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Speaker 3: their way, which is important. Really cool quick story. I
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Speaker 3: was actually one time filming at a on an air
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Speaker 3: cra at a on an airstrip, and we got approached
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Speaker 3: by one of the I hear what you've even called
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Speaker 3: maybe a director of whatever, and she goes, okay, you
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Speaker 3: guys have to stop filming at this particular time, and
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Speaker 3: we said why and she goes, there's a VIP coming in.
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Speaker 3: And so as we're filming, these two jets came in
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Speaker 3: and then we were told that we absolutely had to
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Speaker 3: end right now. And later on we found out Joe
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Speaker 3: that was Joe Biden coming in.
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah where was Was it on a military
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Speaker 4: installation or.
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Speaker 3: No, it was a it was a airport up here
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Speaker 3: in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 4: Oh cool? Cool?
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Speaker 3: Uh so apparently, I mean, I don't think he landed there.
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Speaker 3: I think the airspace like everything had to be cleared out,
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Speaker 3: or maybe he did, because they said if we if
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Speaker 3: we didn't leave, we're gonna we were gonna get stuck there.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, probably security was gonna get super tight or something.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's when there s all the jets, like
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Speaker 3: these are fighter jets, and I was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: this isn't you know what I mean, this is kind
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Speaker 3: of odd. So that's when I, uh, I uh we
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Speaker 3: we just kind of broke down and left. But but yeah,
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Speaker 3: that that's that's my one brush. And then I I
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Speaker 3: later on I got to meet Joe Biden again at
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Speaker 3: another event. But I'm sorry, that's a whole nother story.
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Speaker 3: I don't think people want to hear me talk about
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden.
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Speaker 5: No, No, you're good, that's for another that's for another episode.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the Joe Biden episode.
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Speaker 4: So my question is that when you met him the
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Speaker 4: second time, did you tell him thank you for interrupting
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Speaker 4: your filming.
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Speaker 3: I only got to shake his hand for you know,
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Speaker 3: and it was like he was gone. I didn't get
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Speaker 3: to talk to him or anything. So okay, because it
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Speaker 3: was in passing and it was it was what what
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Speaker 3: That's a whole nother story though, But Uh. And then
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Speaker 3: also joining us uh is armand Orma. I want to say, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, thank you so much for coming on because
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Speaker 3: you and I have been back and forth, and you
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Speaker 3: and I met even before I met Brandon. You and
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Speaker 3: I have been talking back and forth. Uh. And then
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Speaker 3: I had on a mutual friend of ours who name
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Speaker 3: excase me at the moment. Damn it always happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but Who's I always do this, I always blank out
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Speaker 3: when I'm interviewing people. But she and I were talking
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Speaker 3: and oh, this is gonna kill me. She's gonna murder
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Speaker 3: me that I can't remember her name right now? Anyways,
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Speaker 3: what does she do? She's she's, she lives in Dallas.
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Speaker 3: She's a consultant. She does Uh Whitney Davis. There you go, Yes,
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Speaker 3: as you tell, I'm an excellent storyteller. Remember, that that
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Speaker 3: person you do that thing.
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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, so that that one city, that one state, Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 6: that person she does that thing.
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah. So uh so she she kept saying when
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Speaker 3: she was on, She's like, you gotta have her mon on,
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Speaker 3: you gotta have her mom on and so uh I said,
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Speaker 3: you know what, I've been friends with him for a while.
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Speaker 3: I've been trying to get him on, but it's like
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Speaker 3: we can never actually get our schedules to meet.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've been Twitter friends for what maybe five years now?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we kept we just kept like in passing, like hey,
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Speaker 5: what are you doing this Saturday?
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Speaker 3: Or you know, like.
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Speaker 5: It's like we always miss each other, but hey, we
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Speaker 5: we have each other now. So that's that's what's important.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like two ships of the night, my friend.
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Speaker 3: We were just constantly and so uh yeah, so so
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Speaker 3: we had I remember when I first met you on
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Speaker 3: Twitter too, again the power of Twitter through networking, and
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Speaker 3: I remember, you know, us going back and forth and
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Speaker 3: uh now you know, and then we when uh you know,
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Speaker 3: we got to talking again, uh pretty regularly. I was like,
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Speaker 3: oh great, you know his his he's built up this following.
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Speaker 3: I see all these awesome things are doing. And now
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Speaker 3: I'm glad that we can actually talk because I want
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Speaker 3: to actually, you know, we can sort of start getting
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Speaker 3: into this stuff. But so I'm going to ask you
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Speaker 3: though the same question of mine, as you know, how
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Speaker 3: did you get started in this whole, whole wacky world
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Speaker 3: what we call the film industry.
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Speaker 6: So I also had a curiosity in storytelling. When I
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Speaker 6: was a kid, I was just like anyone else in
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Speaker 6: the nineties. I was a big fan of power Injurers
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Speaker 6: and all that stuff. So as a kid, I thought
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Speaker 6: it'd be cool to be like that on TV. I
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Speaker 6: thought I would want to be a performer, so you know,
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Speaker 6: I would play pertend with my brothers, you know, at
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Speaker 6: home and be Powerngers.
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Speaker 5: And other kind of superheroes. Come sixth grade, I entered.
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Speaker 6: A very smart school for it was a magnet school,
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Speaker 6: that is what we called it in Virginia Beach.
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Speaker 5: And you know, I.
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Speaker 6: Found myself not so academically academically gifted as other people.
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Speaker 6: So I kind of used the outlet of writing to
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Speaker 6: get away, if that makes sense. And I was given
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Speaker 6: the opportunity to join actaclass or other electives, but you know,
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Speaker 6: I didn't see them a lot of Asian Americans on television.
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Speaker 6: So I thought, okay, I probably, uh, I need to
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Speaker 6: go towards another route. So, you know, I would be
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Speaker 6: sitting there in math class and science class, and while
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Speaker 6: other people writing formulas, I would be writing like stories
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Speaker 6: in my notebook, you know. So I kind of cultivated
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Speaker 6: my love of writing in middle school and then in
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Speaker 6: high school, all my all my English teachers were like, yeah,
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Speaker 6: you needed to be a writer. You used to pursue
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Speaker 6: this more so like every year they did say this,
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Speaker 6: say exact same thing, and I be like okay. So
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Speaker 6: I took their words to consideration and I went to
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Speaker 6: film school out of Virginia Beach. After film school, I
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Speaker 6: you know, did a lot. I did some internships here
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Speaker 6: and there in Virginia Beach and then it kind of
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Speaker 6: led me to an internship in La So I went
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Speaker 6: to Mosaic, which shares the same floor as Atleass Entertainment.
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Speaker 5: So Alice. Alice Entertainment does all.
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Speaker 6: Like the big movies like they just did Just League,
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Speaker 6: they did Wonder Woman, they did the Dark Knight series.
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Speaker 6: Mosaic was more so the literary slash managements. So I
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Speaker 6: learned how to do script coverage there. I did a
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Speaker 6: lot of script reading, and then after that I went
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Speaker 6: back to bridging the beach, and I hopped on social
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Speaker 6: media and kind of created a name for myself on
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Speaker 6: social media. So I created the name erm on LA
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Speaker 6: because it was kind of like a wink wink, nudge
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Speaker 6: nudge people think.
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Speaker 5: People thought I was in LA and I was not
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Speaker 5: in La.
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Speaker 6: So I'll get all these organizations contacting me because they
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Speaker 6: thought through social media, I thought I was in LA.
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Speaker 6: So there was these conferences, these screen night on organizations
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Speaker 6: asked him to hire me, and you know, I kind.
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Speaker 5: Of play along. I was like, yeah, sure, I'll do this.
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Speaker 6: So when I did the commerces, when I did other
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Speaker 6: script coverage for other organizations, we kind of segue into
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Speaker 6: doing events, segued into doing celebrity interviews and interviewing filmmakers,
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Speaker 6: et cetera. So all that kind of snowball is just
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Speaker 6: a network of people. So I told myself, you know,
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Speaker 6: before I moved to LA. By the way, it took
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Speaker 6: me five years before I moved to L I want
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Speaker 6: to at least five hundred people. So that was my
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Speaker 6: goal was to just create a network of people, because
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Speaker 6: I know a lot of people kind of rush into
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Speaker 6: the city without a plan, without knowing anybody, and I
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Speaker 6: was I was not going to be that person. So yeah,
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Speaker 6: it took me a few years to just snowball my network.
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Speaker 6: So that's why I started doing events. You know, me
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Speaker 6: and Brandon do a competition, screenwrite competitions, film making competitions.
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Speaker 6: So it was a five year six five six year
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Speaker 6: plan for me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you find that that's that that's kind of
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Speaker 3: common where people just move to La without a plan.
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Speaker 6: I've I've had a lot of friends who lasted like
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Speaker 6: a month, few months because you know, I get it.
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Speaker 6: A lot of people just want to do it, you know,
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Speaker 6: and it's hardsh men because you know, I had nothing.
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Speaker 6: I'm not talking bad about anybody, but some people come
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Speaker 6: here to do the whole you know, a bartender thing,
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Speaker 6: waitress thing, waiter thing, and they're miserable and they don't
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Speaker 6: know anybody in the industry and they come out to
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Speaker 6: these like you know, like club events even like or
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Speaker 6: they expect to meet like a producer at the bar,
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Speaker 6: you know, they they it's funny and you know, and I,
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Speaker 6: like I said, I wasn't gonna be that person. I
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Speaker 6: want to know people beforehand before coming out. So I
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Speaker 6: used lead a foundation, you know, whether it be social media,
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Speaker 6: through events, through just asking people to take meetings.
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Speaker 5: That was my foundation.
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Speaker 6: Sorry, I did that for many years, and uh it's.
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Speaker 5: It's been growing. It's been growing.
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Speaker 6: So for other people who want to come to the cities,
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Speaker 6: I would just have a plan, you know, or even
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Speaker 6: network beforehand before coming out here. Before you change your address,
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Speaker 6: make sure you know quite a few people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I know, Whi's exactly what you mean.
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Speaker 3: Or my I've had friends too who have moved out
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Speaker 3: to LA without a plan, and some of lasted, like,
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Speaker 3: you know, a couple of months, some lasted a week.
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Speaker 3: I actually had a friend who moved out there for
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Speaker 3: a week. He moved away. Yeah, yep, he actually flew
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Speaker 3: out there, and he was like, I just got to
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Speaker 3: do it on a whim. He like, just got all
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Speaker 3: this stuff together. He didn't. He didn't really know anybody
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Speaker 3: per se. He had a few friends here and there,
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Speaker 3: but they were in the same boat. They were all
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Speaker 3: like struggling working as bartenders or whatever, hoping to meet
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Speaker 3: somebody at a bar, just like you stay, you know,
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Speaker 3: just like you said, and uh he was here for
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Speaker 3: about here. He was there for about a week and
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Speaker 3: then he said, uh, I just can't do it. He
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Speaker 3: ran out of money, he he and uh, he had
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Speaker 3: nowhere else to go. And he actually got you got
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Speaker 3: the plane ride back and that was it and has
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Speaker 3: never been back.
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Speaker 5: So this I know. Uh, oh good.
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Speaker 3: No, I was gonna make a joke, but it's I
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Speaker 3: was just gonna say the city, the city kind of
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Speaker 3: crushed his soul.
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Speaker 5: But oh no, yeah, I know.
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Speaker 6: Ah, a film fell Filmston of mine who came to
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Speaker 6: l a thought he had the best ever said to himself,
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Speaker 6: you know, I'm gonna get hired in the month.
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Speaker 5: And a month went by and he nothing happened. So
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Speaker 5: we left.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So you know, as we sort of talk about,
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Speaker 3: you know, the the how, you know, a lot of
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Speaker 3: people have gone and and and experienced you know, the
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Speaker 3: you know, the the sort of the dark side of it.
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Speaker 3: Have either of you, Brandon Orman, have either one of
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Speaker 3: you had somebody who's actually gone out there and gotten gotten.
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Speaker 3: You know, I hit or gotten I don't know what.
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Speaker 3: Maybe in play I guess I don't know, have your
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Speaker 3: either of you ever ever known somebody like that, who
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Speaker 3: who's actually gone out there and kind of struck old.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. Actually, we've had a few people from
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Speaker 4: our Mixnology events that have you know, networked through our
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Speaker 4: events and uh, just by doing that, they've been able
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Speaker 4: to secure some type of job. Orman. I don't know
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Speaker 4: if we're allowed to you know, say names or anything,
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Speaker 4: but if we are.
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Speaker 5: I don't want to say Dave.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but uh, going off of what Brandon said, or
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Speaker 6: we had somebody who come in from my home home city.
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Speaker 6: She came in and a week after coming in, she
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Speaker 6: went to one of our events, and we'll behold, she
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Speaker 6: got a she got an assistant position within ACTER that's
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Speaker 6: pretty pretty well known nowadays because he can see the
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Speaker 6: event too.
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Speaker 3: So not like that.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we've we've been blessed to help people, to
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Speaker 6: help people other people. But even I do know somebody
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Speaker 6: who came out here, uh you know, having having the talents.
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Speaker 6: She she didn't stake gold right away, but maybe like
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Speaker 6: a year or two later, she got one of those
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Speaker 6: uh what do you call it? You know, those comedy
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Speaker 6: troops that have those writing initiatives. It was one of
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Speaker 6: those things where she had like one of those writing
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Speaker 6: she became a member of those writing troops based on
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Speaker 6: her talent. So it can't happen. It can't happen. And
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying I'm not saying that people it doesn't
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Speaker 6: happen of some people, but a lot of people just
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Speaker 6: don't have plans. So s going back on that, Yeah,
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Speaker 6: it's it is kind of does kind of crush you
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Speaker 6: here if you don't have any goals lined up, you know,
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Speaker 6: like yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say. It could also be a lot
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Speaker 4: of luck, you know, being at the right place at
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Speaker 4: the right time and bumping into somebody who you know
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Speaker 4: has the ability to hire you, you know, out of
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Speaker 4: Starbucks or whatever. So I recommend if you know anybody
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Speaker 4: that either they're not from more from LA or they
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Speaker 4: are from LA, get out to as many like networking
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Speaker 4: events as possible because you never know who you're gonna meet.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and dressed nicely.
17:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny in mind. I remember one
17:39
Speaker 3: time I went to an event here in Philadelphia and
17:41
Speaker 3: I was going to talk to this to this person. Again,
17:44
Speaker 3: I'm not using any names or anything. It's just you know,
17:46
Speaker 3: all just as a story. And I ran into this
17:49
Speaker 3: person who I was going to meet randomly because I
17:54
Speaker 3: looked for him when I got there, he wasn't there.
17:56
Speaker 5: You know.
17:56
Speaker 3: An hour or so went by, and finally, as I
17:58
Speaker 3: was getting ready to leave, here he is. This guy
18:01
Speaker 3: was so belligerently drunk. The bartender was trying to take
18:06
Speaker 3: his keys away from him, so he didn't try to
18:08
Speaker 3: drive home.
18:09
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, yeah, don't do that. Don't do that at
18:11
Speaker 4: network in advancing, you know, Arman and I kind of
18:14
Speaker 4: have a funny story, and I'll try to I'll try
18:17
Speaker 4: to make it quick so I don't take up too
18:18
Speaker 4: much time, but just to go off of you never
18:21
Speaker 4: know who you're gonna meet, and you never know where.
18:24
Speaker 4: Armand myself and armand myself and another friend we decided
18:28
Speaker 4: to go see a movie at the Arc Light in
18:30
Speaker 4: La and uh we ended up you know after the
18:34
Speaker 4: movie was War of the Worlds, right or not? War
18:36
Speaker 4: the World's War? The Planet of the Apes, right, Arman, Yes, sir, yeah.
18:40
Speaker 4: So we we finished the movie and we walk out
18:43
Speaker 4: and I tell Herman, I have to good. He's the restroom.
18:45
Speaker 4: So I go to the restroom real quick. And while
18:47
Speaker 4: I'm in the reshroom. He ends up texting me, but
18:49
Speaker 4: I don't get his text because the service in the
18:51
Speaker 4: little bathroom area. So I come walking out and he's like, hey, man,
18:55
Speaker 4: he's over at the bar area. He's all excited, and
18:57
Speaker 4: I'm like, oo, I thought he was talking about our
18:59
Speaker 4: friend who went to go valid Is parking, And I
19:02
Speaker 4: was like, who our friend? And he's like, no, man,
19:05
Speaker 4: didn't she get my text? And I was like no.
19:07
Speaker 4: And so we're walking up the stairs during this conversation
19:10
Speaker 4: and he's like qt Quentin Tarantino and I'm like no way.
19:14
Speaker 4: Like I started shaking with excitement. I look over and
19:16
Speaker 4: there's Quentin Tarantino standing at the bar with his fiance,
19:20
Speaker 4: and I mean, that was such a cool opportunity. We
19:24
Speaker 4: hung out there for like thirty minutes. We chatted and
19:26
Speaker 4: shook his hand. Super cool, super cool moment.
19:32
Speaker 3: So was he actually approachable when he went up to him?
19:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, he totally was. He's gonna let me buy a
19:36
Speaker 4: drink for his fiance. But when she came back, shoes
19:39
Speaker 4: in the rushroom as well. When she came back, he
19:42
Speaker 4: told her like, Hey, these guys are gonna buy These
19:44
Speaker 4: guys are gonna buy you a drink and she's like, no, no,
19:47
Speaker 4: it's all right, I'm not thirsty, So you know, he, yeah,
19:51
Speaker 4: he came over to us and told us like, hey,
19:53
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. So that was kind of a
19:55
Speaker 4: little letdown because you know, we sat as an opportunity
19:57
Speaker 4: to chat with him some more. Once we brought the rinkover.
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20:11
Speaker 6: But funny story is, after that happened, we kind of
20:14
Speaker 6: like took the l We took the loss, and we
20:16
Speaker 6: sat down for like thirty minutes trying to figure out
20:19
Speaker 6: what's our next move? How do you play this? So
20:22
Speaker 6: sat there for thirty minutes like just trying to figure
20:24
Speaker 6: it out, and finally we we got the courage again
20:27
Speaker 6: to reapproach him and say, hey, this is what we do.
20:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we give him our business cards, and then
20:32
Speaker 4: we shook his hand one more time and we took off.
20:34
Speaker 4: We don't want to bug him too much, but he
20:36
Speaker 4: was super approachable. He was cool. You know. I don't
20:39
Speaker 4: know if anyone's seen that clip of him where, you know,
20:41
Speaker 4: I think it was up in what's called parks. Yeah, yeah,
20:46
Speaker 4: up at Sundance where the Papa Rozzi's filming him and
20:49
Speaker 4: he kind of goes off on the dude at Starbucks,
20:52
Speaker 4: kind of pushes him. He's not like that. I mean,
20:55
Speaker 4: the dude just wants wants his own space. And I
20:58
Speaker 4: think he asked that dude, you know, hey, leave me alone, man,
21:01
Speaker 4: and the dude was kind of antagonizing the situation. He's
21:04
Speaker 4: not like that. You respect him like a human being,
21:06
Speaker 4: and he's gonna treat you like when I asked him
21:08
Speaker 4: if I could take a picture and he said he like,
21:11
Speaker 4: he appreciated that I was there. He definitely shake my hand,
21:14
Speaker 4: but he didn't feel like taking pictures at the moment.
21:16
Speaker 4: So you know, I respected hit his wishes and I
21:20
Speaker 4: didn't get punched.
21:25
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you were in the Air Force, so Brian,
21:27
Speaker 3: and you can take care of yourself.
21:28
Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, definitely definitely go ahead.
21:32
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, like, you know, I don't know
21:34
Speaker 3: if if they're still doing the hand to hand or
21:36
Speaker 3: if they're just going to all BJJ, but I'm sure
21:38
Speaker 3: you're the way you can hand yourself, right.
21:40
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, they teach you all that. My career
21:44
Speaker 4: field with security forces, which people aren't familiar with that.
21:47
Speaker 4: In the Air Force, it's basically the MPs for the
21:50
Speaker 4: Air Force Military Police. So yeah, we have to go
21:54
Speaker 4: through all that training over at San Antonio, San Antonio's
21:58
Speaker 4: Air Force Base, which is also known as LACK when
22:00
Speaker 4: they're Force Space.
22:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, Randon gets only take on.
22:05
Speaker 3: QT for sure. We got to talk to the UFC
22:10
Speaker 3: see if we can get this to happen. But but
22:13
Speaker 3: so let me just ask you this. You guys, you
22:15
Speaker 3: know you did everything professional. Obviously. You don't want to
22:19
Speaker 3: be that person two that goes up and says like, oh,
22:23
Speaker 3: here's my screenplay or here's my movie pitch. You don't
22:25
Speaker 3: want to be that person obviously, because the three of
22:27
Speaker 3: us know better than that. So let me ask you this,
22:30
Speaker 3: just looking back on it, is there anything that you
22:34
Speaker 3: guys would have done differently? Uh?
22:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one thing I would say, somebody like Quentin Tarantino.
22:42
Speaker 4: You know, there's a handful of people in the film
22:44
Speaker 4: industry that you know, I would love to meet just
22:47
Speaker 4: because I'm a big fan, and I kind of I
22:51
Speaker 4: would say we probably approached him before we gathered our senses.
22:54
Speaker 4: We were super excited, you know, you you're adrenaline takes
22:58
Speaker 4: over and you kind of start shaking. So I would say,
23:01
Speaker 4: take a deep breath, uh, realize that they're people too,
23:05
Speaker 4: you know, and approached them calm because honestly, Raman can
23:12
Speaker 4: attest to this. I love Clinton's movies, pulp fiction, uh
23:19
Speaker 4: with dogs, yeah, yeah, Reservoir Dogs. I was trying to
23:22
Speaker 4: think of the one with Jamie Fox slipped my mind right, yeah,
23:26
Speaker 4: Jangle and Chain. You know, I love all those movies.
23:28
Speaker 4: So when I saw them, I just I kind of
23:31
Speaker 4: like lost my senses. Instead of being like a you know,
23:35
Speaker 4: a filmmaker who wants to work with him one day,
23:36
Speaker 4: I became a fan and I lost my senses for
23:40
Speaker 4: that moment. And instead of you know, approaching him to
23:43
Speaker 4: talk about you know, like hey, I'm a filmmaker too,
23:47
Speaker 4: it was more so like, hey can I take a
23:48
Speaker 4: picture with you? Like I didn't know what to say.
23:51
Speaker 4: You know, I kind of lost I lost my brain
23:53
Speaker 4: for a moment. But like her mom said, like her
23:57
Speaker 4: mom said, we sat down at the tables near the
24:00
Speaker 4: bar where he was sitting, and we kind of talked
24:03
Speaker 4: through each other and you know, took deep breasts and
24:05
Speaker 4: figured out how we could reapproach him professionally and he
24:08
Speaker 4: was super cool. Uh. He he took our business cards,
24:12
Speaker 4: thanked us for being in respectful to him and his
24:17
Speaker 4: his fiance tried to give a muff into our other
24:19
Speaker 4: friend that was there. So I mean, were they were
24:21
Speaker 4: cool people?
24:22
Speaker 3: Yeah?
24:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I would have for me, just going back
24:27
Speaker 6: on the whole playing thing, we could have, I guess,
24:30
Speaker 6: you know, teamed up first and kind of strategized before
24:33
Speaker 6: approaching him because Brandon, uh, Brandon calls me like, Brandon calls.
24:38
Speaker 5: Me the less shy one of the of the two.
24:40
Speaker 6: But for me, like as a fan, I literally brand
24:43
Speaker 6: could tell you I stood behind Brandon. I was like Brandon,
24:45
Speaker 6: like I can't talk to him right now, Like I'm sweating,
24:47
Speaker 6: like my needs are shaking right now, dude. So Brandon,
24:51
Speaker 6: Brandon had a bigger call that day. He approached and
24:54
Speaker 6: I kind of stood behind him like yeah what he said?
24:56
Speaker 5: What he said? Like I was just super shy man.
24:59
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah he was. He was my hype man
25:02
Speaker 4: that day. Yeah, well he said, yeah, yeah, we we
25:05
Speaker 4: want to take a picture.
25:08
Speaker 3: So preserve her mind. Was kind of like the flavor flave.
25:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
25:15
Speaker 5: You know.
25:16
Speaker 3: And then friends who've actually on the Actually I've had
25:18
Speaker 3: people on the podcast who've actually worked with with Quentin
25:21
Speaker 3: and and and and actually they worked on Django together. Uh.
25:25
Speaker 3: And it was his name was uh John Connor. Uh
25:30
Speaker 3: not the guy from Terminator, but uh Connor. He he
25:32
Speaker 3: actually worked in the Cowra department for for Django. And Uh.
25:36
Speaker 3: He was like, Yeah, qt is one of the greatest
25:38
Speaker 3: guys to work with. And uh, you know, he goes,
25:41
Speaker 3: he he knows his stuff and he's just you know,
25:44
Speaker 3: he the days are are long, but he goes, everyone's
25:48
Speaker 3: having fun. He goes like you know, Tarantino directs in
25:52
Speaker 3: his crazy way. He's energetic. Uh, and he goes. He's
25:55
Speaker 3: just an awesome guy to you know, just in general
25:57
Speaker 3: to work with.
25:58
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I believe it because when we met him,
26:01
Speaker 4: he was the same way. He's like, oh, hey, guys, hey,
26:03
Speaker 4: like like super excited to like meet It's so yeah, yeah,
26:07
Speaker 4: you can buy your drink Like, like, I think that's
26:09
Speaker 4: just how he is. He he has an energetic personality
26:13
Speaker 4: about him, whether he's actually shooting a film or if
26:16
Speaker 4: he's you know, hanging out at a bar. He's just
26:19
Speaker 4: a really cool person.
26:20
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:21
Speaker 6: I saw a behind the scenes feature at one time
26:24
Speaker 6: of a scene shot for for uh not Workers Dogs
26:30
Speaker 6: pulp fiction, it's the twist scene and he's like behind
26:33
Speaker 6: the camera dancing himself. So like that that type of
26:36
Speaker 6: personality we want to work within the feature, you know,
26:39
Speaker 6: those types of directors and producers and cetera who have
26:43
Speaker 6: fun while on set.
26:44
Speaker 5: Not just like we're not just Miltont on set.
26:46
Speaker 6: You know, you do this, you do that, but who
26:48
Speaker 6: can provide a really energetic fun atmosphere exactly?
26:55
Speaker 3: So is there has there ever been another time though,
26:57
Speaker 3: like you've sort of been going on these networks. That's
27:00
Speaker 3: because you know, I wanted to talk to you guys
27:01
Speaker 3: about you know, networking and hustling in Hollywood. I know,
27:04
Speaker 3: hustling sometimes can be you know, a weird word. Uh.
27:07
Speaker 3: Sometimes it has a negative connotation. But I think it's
27:10
Speaker 3: a good thing now, you know. But people say hustling,
27:13
Speaker 3: it's not, you know, it just means you're you're grinding
27:15
Speaker 3: it out, you're working, You're you're trying to pursue something,
27:17
Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, And that's what I wanted
27:20
Speaker 3: to talk to you guys mainly about, is you know,
27:21
Speaker 3: hustling and networking in Hollywood and so just to sort
27:26
Speaker 3: of to to just can continue this conversation. You know,
27:29
Speaker 3: what were some of the things that when you know,
27:31
Speaker 3: when you first got to town, maybe that or even
27:35
Speaker 3: just networking online with people like Arman you you mentioned
27:38
Speaker 3: this too or earlier on about networking online. You know,
27:40
Speaker 3: what are some of the things that that you've done
27:43
Speaker 3: or you do now that really have benefited you And
27:46
Speaker 3: just and just finding and talking to people, like finding
27:49
Speaker 3: certain people to talk to or even have people or
27:51
Speaker 3: even the best when people reach out to you and
27:53
Speaker 3: say hey, or you know, hey Brandon herem on, I
27:55
Speaker 3: found you online. You know, like, so, so what are
27:57
Speaker 3: some of the tips that you could share that of
27:59
Speaker 3: some stuff that's that helped you out?
28:02
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, Romm yeah yeah. I'll go first,
28:06
Speaker 4: just something that I've noticed, whether it's you know, people
28:08
Speaker 4: reaching out to us because we are starting to produce projects, uh,
28:12
Speaker 4: we're getting in contact with finance areas who want to
28:14
Speaker 4: produce films that we're producing or whatever. The big thing
28:21
Speaker 4: is when you reach out to somebody is don't don't
28:26
Speaker 4: make it seem like you you just want to use
28:30
Speaker 4: that person for the resources you need to be more
28:33
Speaker 4: so like you want to build a relationship or friendship
28:37
Speaker 4: with that person. So like when Arman and I first
28:40
Speaker 4: reached got together, Arman was holding a event and I
28:46
Speaker 4: could have been one of those people that just you know,
28:47
Speaker 4: messaged her Mon and was like, hey, Rman, like can
28:50
Speaker 4: I can I get some tickets to your event? Like
28:52
Speaker 4: hook me up? Dude? I wasn't like that. I had
28:54
Speaker 4: messaged Herman and I was like, hey Man, you know what,
28:57
Speaker 4: I'm actually a student at one of your your school
29:00
Speaker 4: in Virginia, but I was taking the online masters program
29:04
Speaker 4: and we from there, we just kept talking and we
29:07
Speaker 4: built a friendship that turned into a partnership. So building
29:11
Speaker 4: a actual relationship and not just trying to use somebody
29:15
Speaker 4: for their resources. And that's a very valuable tip I
29:18
Speaker 4: would I would share.
29:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, And going off of that, like people may find
29:28
Speaker 6: a first stating that build my relationship takes over.
29:30
Speaker 5: It takes time, but it does take time.
29:32
Speaker 6: You know you're not gonna work with someone cell because
29:35
Speaker 6: you messaged it one time and be like hey can
29:37
Speaker 6: I work with you?
29:38
Speaker 5: Now?
29:38
Speaker 6: It's gonna it takes It's gonna take a series of
29:40
Speaker 6: conversations before you finally work with somebody.
29:43
Speaker 5: So that is very key what Brandon said.
29:47
Speaker 6: Another thing I would say is kind of like podcasts
29:49
Speaker 6: like this, I I would take even starting off, you know,
29:54
Speaker 6: the last three or four years, I would take any interview,
29:57
Speaker 6: no matter how big or small was.
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Speaker 6: Because if someone wants to work, they can literally google
30:13
Speaker 6: me and see my my history, my background. They can
30:16
Speaker 6: see in my interview, see who what I'm about. So
30:19
Speaker 6: if if someone approaches you about an interview, no matter
30:22
Speaker 6: how big or small, it may feel take it. And
30:26
Speaker 6: uh yeah. So when I reach out to this when
30:29
Speaker 6: we when we do events or do contests, and when
30:30
Speaker 6: we do some ouach I say, hey, here's some background
30:33
Speaker 6: on us.
30:34
Speaker 5: You know, would you like to do it with us
30:35
Speaker 5: or not?
30:36
Speaker 6: And because of the fact that we have searchable names, it
30:42
Speaker 6: does go on our feet.
30:46
Speaker 3: So you know, you mentioned bigger, small. I mean, so
30:48
Speaker 3: you've you've gotten so you're doing a pretty small interview
30:51
Speaker 3: right now, arman. But but no way, so but no, no, no, yeah, yeah,
31:01
Speaker 3: it's there. There's me and then there's like the Mark
31:03
Speaker 3: Maroon podcast, right so uh so, but no, it's you know,
31:08
Speaker 3: all kicking aside. You know, I realized that too Whereman is.
31:12
Speaker 4: Uh.
31:12
Speaker 3: You know, there's when I a couple of years ago
31:16
Speaker 3: when I was doing projects I I and I I
31:18
Speaker 3: just sort of reached out and said, hey, you know
31:20
Speaker 3: what's out there because I didn't know. And there's so
31:22
Speaker 3: many people who wanted to me to come on to
31:24
Speaker 3: do different things or do a podcast or and that
31:27
Speaker 3: this is like it when it was still in it
31:28
Speaker 3: and it's still it's somewhat infant stages. And there were
31:32
Speaker 3: you know, different people w asked me to do like
31:33
Speaker 3: you know, articles or not articles, but like an interview
31:36
Speaker 3: and it'd be written up and stuff like that. And
31:38
Speaker 3: you know, I started to realize when people are going
31:41
Speaker 3: out to do projects like let's just say you you
31:44
Speaker 3: have a movie at Arman and you're looking to you know,
31:46
Speaker 3: get publicity for it and everything. You know, I think
31:49
Speaker 3: everybody wants to be in like the Hollywood reporter of Variety. Uh.
31:54
Speaker 3: They also want to be on Mark Maron's podcast and
31:56
Speaker 3: all this and that. But then I go on the
31:58
Speaker 3: flip side and I say, you know, what if you
32:01
Speaker 3: just did instead of just doing doing one interview to
32:04
Speaker 3: hit like a million people, what if you did ten
32:08
Speaker 3: interviews that did one hundred thousand each or twenty that
32:11
Speaker 3: did ten thousand each. Do you see what I'm going
32:12
Speaker 3: with this? Right?
32:14
Speaker 4: Right?
32:15
Speaker 3: And I think you have more of a shot with
32:17
Speaker 3: the ladder because you know, most of us don't have
32:19
Speaker 3: friends that have you know, a million reaching whatevereverever they do,
32:22
Speaker 3: whether it be YouTube or podcasts. So I think that's
32:25
Speaker 3: that's something that a lot of filmmakers, especially you know,
32:28
Speaker 3: indie filmmakers who have a budget of you know, let's
32:31
Speaker 3: just say under what, under under four million or under
32:34
Speaker 3: five I don't know's just use that as a barometer
32:37
Speaker 3: if they have that. You know, usually there's a market
32:40
Speaker 3: for that, there's a niche for that, and then also
32:42
Speaker 3: there's a you know, there's a lot of different ways
32:44
Speaker 3: you could play that in terms of going onto podcasts.
32:48
Speaker 3: Even when I get pitched this podcast, it's I get
32:51
Speaker 3: so many emails and that's why and I'm like a
32:54
Speaker 3: little nobody in Philadelphia. I couldn't even imagine what it
32:57
Speaker 3: would be like to be like Mark Marrin or Adam
32:59
Speaker 3: Corolla running these other guys. I mean, they must get
33:01
Speaker 3: floored every every five seconds.
33:04
Speaker 5: That's so true.
33:05
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but see also, if I was a celebrity
33:09
Speaker 6: and I was approached by a podcast like that that's
33:11
Speaker 6: brand new and that had like maybe two listeners, I
33:14
Speaker 6: would actually take it because what if that podcast blew
33:17
Speaker 6: up because of me? Then I can be like, hey,
33:19
Speaker 6: I help this new you know, media company blow up.
33:26
Speaker 6: So who knows, man, you might be able to get
33:28
Speaker 6: like a big time filmmaker one day and they help
33:31
Speaker 6: your numbers grow and they can be like, hey, I
33:34
Speaker 6: helped Dave Bull's podcast become what it is today.
33:38
Speaker 3: I've actually reached out to a lot of people to
33:41
Speaker 3: kind of do that. Hopefully I end up being the
33:43
Speaker 3: filmmaker that does it for myself, you know what I mean.
33:45
Speaker 3: I could kind of be like, guy, hey there you go,
33:48
Speaker 3: you did better. Yeah exactly. I like to be the
33:50
Speaker 3: guy who loaded, you know, and then you kind of
33:52
Speaker 3: have the pot you kind of live in both worlds
33:55
Speaker 3: because you know, again, you just trying, because I see
33:57
Speaker 3: people in a lot of the time, they're always trying
33:59
Speaker 3: to get like you know, Kevin's Smith or whoever on
34:01
Speaker 3: their podcast. And and by the way, I think Quentin Tarantino,
34:06
Speaker 3: I think he's very smart for acting on social media
34:08
Speaker 3: because because I think he realizes if he got on there,
34:10
Speaker 3: it would be nothing with people just pitching him with stuff.
34:13
Speaker 5: Oh geez.
34:15
Speaker 7: Absolutely, so as we as we sort of talk you about,
34:20
Speaker 7: you know, and then you know, that's what again one
34:22
Speaker 7: of the reasons it's it's it's one of the bad
34:24
Speaker 7: spots of social media.
34:25
Speaker 3: You know. But but usually social media, you know, I
34:28
Speaker 3: always tell people it's a tool like anything else. You know,
34:32
Speaker 3: sometimes you can go really bad. Sometimes he can go
34:34
Speaker 3: really well. And that's why, you know, I think a
34:37
Speaker 3: lot of celebrities, though they get pitched all the time,
34:39
Speaker 3: Like I mean, Kevin Smith, uses it to kind of
34:41
Speaker 3: sort of dialogue with people. Sometimes Tom Cruise just just
34:45
Speaker 3: talks one way, you know what I mean. It's so
34:48
Speaker 3: it's kind of, you know, everything is kind of you
34:51
Speaker 3: know how you wield it. And you know, just before
34:53
Speaker 3: I forget, I wanted to mention too, wheremn I you
34:56
Speaker 3: mentioned people reaching out to you on Twitter. I actually
34:59
Speaker 3: had somebody reach out Instagram, and Instagram is solely becoming
35:02
Speaker 3: my favorite social media site. And I had this this
35:06
Speaker 3: company reach out to me and they sell they help
35:09
Speaker 3: you get the real estate company in Hollywood, and they
35:12
Speaker 3: started following me and I followed them back and they
35:14
Speaker 3: reached out to me immediately, so it's like, you know,
35:17
Speaker 3: an auto DM And right off the bat, they're asking
35:20
Speaker 3: if you know, I'm in the market for a home
35:23
Speaker 3: out in Hollywood, and I'm just thinking, I'm just I'm
35:27
Speaker 3: already I'm like, oh right, we're we're already getting the
35:30
Speaker 3: conversation just started. And you want me you want to
35:32
Speaker 3: sell me a three million dollar home? All right? Sounds great?
35:35
Speaker 5: Oh my god, wow people.
35:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just funny, man, because I was like,
35:44
Speaker 3: you know, usually you have some kind of you know,
35:48
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, a pitch like that is
35:49
Speaker 3: is really hard to swallow. Being like, hey, you want
35:52
Speaker 3: to buy a house out in Hollywood. I'm like, no,
35:54
Speaker 3: what the hell. That's a hell of a way to
35:56
Speaker 3: start something. But yeah, because I had the writer of
36:00
Speaker 3: John Wick on on the podcast, Derek Colstead and and
36:03
Speaker 3: Derek Nice, and Derek was even joking about that, he goes, yeah,
36:07
Speaker 3: he goes his wife before he wrote John Wick was like, listen,
36:10
Speaker 3: you know, when you write something, we'll and sell it.
36:13
Speaker 3: We'll go in we'll buy a house in Malibu or whatever.
36:16
Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, we went look at houses after
36:19
Speaker 3: he sold john Wick and they were starting at like
36:22
Speaker 3: one point five for these little dinky houses that were
36:25
Speaker 3: like absolutely nothing, and he's like, this is one point
36:27
Speaker 3: five million dollars. Wow, you know what I mean, It's
36:32
Speaker 3: just like the real estate market. Yeah, it's just crazy.
36:34
Speaker 3: It's the real estate market is just crazy. Man. It's
36:37
Speaker 3: just I don't know, I just always find that stuff funny,
36:40
Speaker 3: especially because I saw there was a there was a
36:42
Speaker 3: news story recently about this house in California. It was
36:46
Speaker 3: foreclosed on and it went for like one point two
36:49
Speaker 3: million or something like that or something, and it was
36:52
Speaker 3: like this little dinky house that was in total disrepair.
36:55
Speaker 3: But the real estate market out there is just in
36:57
Speaker 3: such demand that that's that's how that that your crappy household.
37:02
Speaker 3: So it just it just goes to show you man.
37:05
Speaker 3: But you know, just as we get to talking about networking,
37:08
Speaker 3: you know, Brandon, I want to ask you and then
37:10
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw the same question to you ormon you know,
37:12
Speaker 3: what was what what was? What is like the worst
37:16
Speaker 3: networking experience you've ever had?
37:18
Speaker 4: Oh uh, that's a good question. Can I think of anything?
37:26
Speaker 4: I mean, most of my networking experiences have been pretty good.
37:32
Speaker 4: Uh rmanic. Can you think of anything I've told you
37:35
Speaker 4: in the past that has gone gone wrong for me?
37:39
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, everything's gone good.
37:47
Speaker 7: You know.
37:47
Speaker 6: I I've never met personally, like, I don't have any
37:49
Speaker 6: stories of me like messing up. But I will say this,
37:52
Speaker 6: I this is something I witnessed firsthand. We had an
37:55
Speaker 6: event back to my hometown, Bridginy Beach, two years ago,
37:59
Speaker 6: and one of the main speakers was Alan Lancotts, who
38:03
Speaker 6: was OSCAR nominated for.
38:07
Speaker 5: Yeah.
38:08
Speaker 6: So after the event, we had this mixer with all
38:11
Speaker 6: the speakers and all the attendees, and you know, we're
38:13
Speaker 6: fortunate to have all the speakers come out to actually
38:15
Speaker 6: attend and then hang out with the attendee, so that
38:17
Speaker 6: was cool. There was a person who approached a circle
38:22
Speaker 6: that Alan gathered, like you know, there's there's five speakers,
38:25
Speaker 6: and so each speaker had like their own pocket of
38:27
Speaker 6: people talking to them. And so Alan was talking to
38:30
Speaker 6: somebody and or a group of people and this random
38:34
Speaker 6: person I guess who came to the event. He approached
38:37
Speaker 6: him with a script in hand, not just any script
38:40
Speaker 6: in hand, but it was crumpled up like it was
38:42
Speaker 6: even like, first off, don't give someone your script first
38:44
Speaker 6: and foremost, like in the middle of a conversation, but
38:47
Speaker 6: like it was like crumpled up, like stains all over it.
38:52
Speaker 5: It was so unprofessional. It was so bad.
38:54
Speaker 6: And Alan's looked at him like, yeah, like I forgot
38:58
Speaker 6: what he said, but I can just imagine what was
38:59
Speaker 6: going through his head, like by the time, buddy, don't
39:01
Speaker 6: do that ever, So that was like, a that's a
39:05
Speaker 6: big no note when when you literally give your script
39:08
Speaker 6: to somebody, uh, in the middle of the mix there
39:11
Speaker 6: were middle of a conversation, that's like the absolutely wrong
39:14
Speaker 6: way to do it. So I'm I was very embarrassed
39:18
Speaker 6: about that, But that's a funny start to tell, like
39:21
Speaker 6: looking back, Yeah, it's the.
39:24
Speaker 3: Stories like that, you know, uh, which I was kind
39:28
Speaker 3: of you know, when I asked the question, I was
39:30
Speaker 3: kind of looking for because even you know most of me,
39:34
Speaker 3: you know you and Brandon, I know you guys. You
39:36
Speaker 3: know what you're doing and obviously you're not gonna, you know,
39:39
Speaker 3: go off the deep end or anything. And but usually
39:43
Speaker 3: when you see other people at networking events, that's when
39:45
Speaker 3: things start to go bad, especially when they're newbies and
39:48
Speaker 3: they're very, very desperate, you know, I've just seen, I've
39:52
Speaker 3: seen the gamut of things happen.
39:55
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40:05
Speaker 3: A funny, funny story speaking of Quentin Tarantino. A friend
40:08
Speaker 3: of mine ran into Tim Roth at a networking event
40:13
Speaker 3: and and true story. This is a true story. My
40:16
Speaker 3: friend goes, my friend goes, hey, he goes, so he
40:22
Speaker 3: meets Tim Ross I think it was his manager or agent,
40:25
Speaker 3: and he goes, so what do you do? He goes, Oh,
40:27
Speaker 3: I'm an agent manager, And he goes, my one of
40:29
Speaker 3: my clients is here, Tim Roth, and he and my
40:32
Speaker 3: friend says to Tim Roth, I shit you not. He goes,
40:35
Speaker 3: so what do you do? And Tim Roth goes and
40:38
Speaker 3: tim and Tim Roth goes, I'm an actor. He goes,
40:40
Speaker 3: I've ever seen any of Quentin Tarantino's movies. He goes, yeah,
40:43
Speaker 3: he goes, well, he goes, I'm pretty much all of them.
40:47
Speaker 3: And uh, my friend was like, oh really. So my
40:51
Speaker 3: friend tried to give Tim Roth his business card. He
40:54
Speaker 3: was non, no, no, I won't take yours, but you
40:56
Speaker 3: can take mine. And Tim just gave him his business
40:59
Speaker 3: card and that was it. I told my friend. He should.
41:02
Speaker 3: He should, you know, uh, whatever he has to do,
41:05
Speaker 3: even if he has to write a snail mail letter,
41:08
Speaker 3: just say, here you go. Remember me. I'm the guy
41:10
Speaker 3: who didn't know who you were. I think he was.
41:13
Speaker 3: I think he would have stuck so out, you know
41:14
Speaker 3: what I mean. I think he would have been so
41:16
Speaker 3: memorable that I think Tim would have remembered him if
41:18
Speaker 3: he had said that to him.
41:20
Speaker 6: I yeah, that would be a fantastic story or or
41:24
Speaker 6: kind of a throat.
41:25
Speaker 5: A callback, you know, like, uh, yeah, do you.
41:28
Speaker 6: Remember you because you're the guy who didn't remember who
41:30
Speaker 6: I was? And thanks for having the guts to to
41:33
Speaker 6: remind me.
41:33
Speaker 3: That you're Like, you're that guy who doesn't know anything,
41:37
Speaker 3: all right, So.
41:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry.
41:44
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I was gonna say. I think that's
41:46
Speaker 4: a great story to tell, because when you are at
41:48
Speaker 4: those networking events, you should you should do somewhat of
41:53
Speaker 4: your of your research on the people that are going
41:55
Speaker 4: to be there. And you know, if you know somebody's name,
41:59
Speaker 4: you know, but you don't know what they look like,
42:01
Speaker 4: google him real quick. I mean, we have the amazing
42:05
Speaker 4: technology within our fingertips. You know, you have a phone
42:09
Speaker 4: type in you know one of our good buddies. You
42:12
Speaker 4: could type in Jeff Howard. A lot of people, you know,
42:14
Speaker 4: they know his movies, but they might not know who
42:16
Speaker 4: he is. He's the co writer of Gerald's Game on Netflix,
42:20
Speaker 4: or Oculus or Ouigi, Origin of Evil, and he's a
42:22
Speaker 4: great guy. So you could hear that, Oh, Jeff Howard
42:26
Speaker 4: is going to be at this event. You might not
42:28
Speaker 4: know what he looks like, but before you walk into
42:30
Speaker 4: that event, google his name. You see what he looks like.
42:33
Speaker 4: Then you can walk up and not, you know, make
42:35
Speaker 4: the mistake of actually bumping into Jeff Howard and saying
42:38
Speaker 4: what do you do? You know, it makes you look
42:40
Speaker 4: a little more professional if you know who these guys are,
42:43
Speaker 4: even though they're not as famous as the guys in
42:45
Speaker 4: front of the cameras.
42:48
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know why people don't use the internet more.
42:52
Speaker 3: Or you have your phone with you at all times.
42:54
Speaker 3: Everyone has their phone with him at all times. Yeah, yeah, seriously,
42:57
Speaker 3: And I don't know why people don't use it more.
43:00
Speaker 3: They're going to go talk to people. I mean, there
43:02
Speaker 3: was a thing here in Philadelphia for m Night Shyamalan
43:05
Speaker 3: and like as soon as it was over and he
43:08
Speaker 3: was coming off the stage. People were like asking him, like, Hey,
43:10
Speaker 3: how can I pitch you a script? This and that?
43:13
Speaker 3: And he was you know and and and he uses
43:14
Speaker 3: the answer, oh, just send it to my office. Well,
43:17
Speaker 3: you know, I know exactly what's going to happen with
43:20
Speaker 3: that script if they ever send it where, it's just
43:22
Speaker 3: gonna go right into the shred her. So you know
43:23
Speaker 3: what I mean. But it's just, you know what I mean,
43:26
Speaker 3: It's just it's like they don't understand how anything works.
43:31
Speaker 3: And I think that it's like someone's gonna read their
43:33
Speaker 3: screenplay right then and there, you know what I mean.
43:35
Speaker 3: It's just, uh, you know what I mean, Like they
43:39
Speaker 3: just think that it's everyone's gonna stop whatever they're doing.
43:42
Speaker 3: And I had a friend of mine who was trying
43:43
Speaker 3: to give a script to Lee Shreiver, and I'm like, no,
43:46
Speaker 3: don't do that, Please don't do that. Don't just leave
43:48
Speaker 3: me alone. Because they She was like, because they were
43:52
Speaker 3: in the same place a couple of times, she goes,
43:54
Speaker 3: I think he's in here. I think I'm gonna give
43:56
Speaker 3: it to him, and I said, please don't, please, don't
43:58
Speaker 3: do it.
44:00
Speaker 4: That reminds me of the movie The Room with who
44:05
Speaker 4: was it. Jude Appetel's in that movie so painful. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
44:10
Speaker 4: it's crazy. Have you have you seen The Room, Dave?
44:12
Speaker 3: Yes?
44:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. You remember the scene where he walks up
44:16
Speaker 4: to Jude Appetel who's having dinner, and he wants to
44:18
Speaker 4: give him a script, and Jude Apptel's like, I wouldn't
44:20
Speaker 4: read your script in a million years, Like get out
44:22
Speaker 4: of here. You know. That's what it reminds me of
44:25
Speaker 4: is people trying to do too much. And again it
44:30
Speaker 4: goes back to what I said earlier, like if you
44:34
Speaker 4: somehow find a way to build a relationship with these
44:38
Speaker 4: power movers in Hollywood, like, oh, invite them out to coffee.
44:43
Speaker 4: You know that. That's a big thing that Arman and
44:45
Speaker 4: I do. Before we ask them to do events or whatever,
44:48
Speaker 4: We'll ask them if they'll meet up for coffee. And
44:51
Speaker 4: what that does is it lets them see that, you know,
44:55
Speaker 4: you're not just trying to make first contacts, say hey,
44:58
Speaker 4: let me see you a script. You're saying, hey, let
45:00
Speaker 4: me buy you a coffee so we could talk. I
45:02
Speaker 4: want to get to know you. And yeah, I'm not
45:05
Speaker 4: I'm not saying the odds are a lot better, but
45:07
Speaker 4: that actually makes them more open to meeting up with
45:11
Speaker 4: you if they have the time. A lot of these
45:12
Speaker 4: guys are busy eleven months out of the year, twelve
45:16
Speaker 4: months out of the year, they don't have any time.
45:18
Speaker 4: But if they do, you know, they're more than willing
45:21
Speaker 4: to meet for coffee and give advice.
45:26
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the worst thing that you can say is no,
45:28
Speaker 6: Like if they say no, it's like, okay, well, let
45:30
Speaker 6: us know when you are, let me know when you
45:32
Speaker 6: are available, and I would love to take you off
45:33
Speaker 6: you then. So a lot of times it'll be on
45:35
Speaker 6: town too busy, or they're none or they're noundated with
45:38
Speaker 6: its current project, like okay, well, hopefully next time when
45:41
Speaker 6: you're do you have breathing when you do have time
45:43
Speaker 6: to breathe, and let me know and I'll love to
45:45
Speaker 6: take you then. And just continue that conversation. Like even
45:48
Speaker 6: if they say no, like, don't just drop off, don't
45:50
Speaker 6: just end it there, make.
45:52
Speaker 5: Sure you kind of just follow up. Just what is
45:57
Speaker 5: the worst that could happen than them say no?
45:59
Speaker 4: You know?
46:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
46:00
Speaker 4: And another thing I want to say real quick is
46:04
Speaker 4: that you don't just need to build those relationships with
46:08
Speaker 4: the big producers, the big directors or whatnot. Try to
46:11
Speaker 4: find out who their assistants are, who interns for them,
46:14
Speaker 4: and build those relationships because most likely those guys are
46:19
Speaker 4: going to move up in Hollywood. And if you already
46:21
Speaker 4: have a friendship, you know with I don't know, the
46:24
Speaker 4: assistant to Steve Carroll, you know, that person might be
46:30
Speaker 4: the next studio head or the next producer of Steve
46:32
Speaker 4: Carroll's Steve Carroll's production company. I don't know, And it works.
46:38
Speaker 4: I mean, Dania Brunetti is a big producer in Hollywood.
46:44
Speaker 4: He's done House of Cards, he's done Captain Phillips, and
46:46
Speaker 4: one of my really good friends is his assistant and
46:49
Speaker 4: I think now he's his creative executive for companies. So,
46:54
Speaker 4: I mean, you never know where those assistants, interns are
46:57
Speaker 4: going to end up. A lot of people, you know,
47:00
Speaker 4: see the assistant and they're like, oh, you're just his assistant.
47:02
Speaker 4: They don't realize how much work these guys put in
47:05
Speaker 4: for these big A list producers, A list stars, directors,
47:09
Speaker 4: and they get noticed and that gets them bigger jobs.
47:13
Speaker 4: So that's something else that I would I would share.
47:17
Speaker 6: Definitely is the stints are point and everybody said it's
47:20
Speaker 6: too like everybody who's been to our panels just said,
47:23
Speaker 6: make sure you get well.
47:24
Speaker 5: You make sure you get on the radar feach sins.
47:27
Speaker 6: They will come bigger in the future, and you are
47:31
Speaker 6: technical gatekeepers to anything you do with their BODI. You
47:34
Speaker 6: send them an email if you're if you're not nice
47:37
Speaker 6: to them, they can literally block it.
47:40
Speaker 4: You know.
47:41
Speaker 6: Also agents, managers and publicists getting along with them too,
47:45
Speaker 6: because they're the ones who are the team of uh,
47:48
Speaker 6: these power players, So make sure you have a good,
47:52
Speaker 6: danding relationship with them as well.
47:56
Speaker 3: You know, somebody once told me a tip, and I
47:59
Speaker 3: want to get you guys, your your your guys opinion.
48:02
Speaker 3: That was excellent English, by the way. Uh, I'm talking
48:06
Speaker 3: like you guys opinion. So I want to get both
48:08
Speaker 3: of your opinions on this. Uh. So many once told
48:11
Speaker 3: me that if you want to get a screenplay to like,
48:13
Speaker 3: let's just say, a producer, a manager, an agent, that
48:17
Speaker 3: you should send it specifically to the assistant first. And
48:22
Speaker 3: what I mean by that is you actually address it
48:25
Speaker 3: to them and say, like, if I like, let's just say, uh,
48:28
Speaker 3: you know, Brandon, let's just say you were Orman's assistant
48:32
Speaker 3: and and you know you and I addressed it, and
48:37
Speaker 3: you said you and I wrote in the email or
48:40
Speaker 3: I wrote in the in you know whatever, and I said,
48:43
Speaker 3: you know, mister Waits, I think this would be an
48:44
Speaker 3: excellent project for your for your boss.
48:47
Speaker 4: Uh.
48:48
Speaker 3: You know, mister Brady, you know, could you know if
48:50
Speaker 3: you read this? I I I really think blah blah blah.
48:53
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe even write something in the subject line just
48:55
Speaker 3: to get to open the email. Like you know, this
48:57
Speaker 3: has been script recommended by one of the script the
49:00
Speaker 3: script reading services. And in the body you write, you
49:04
Speaker 3: directly you make it right to them. That way, you're
49:07
Speaker 3: it's it, and you are sincere about it. That way,
49:10
Speaker 3: you're not just kind of like, you know, treating them
49:12
Speaker 3: like sort of like a lackey, you know what I mean,
49:14
Speaker 3: and saying like, hey, look, I just want to get
49:15
Speaker 3: to your boss. What do you think about that?
49:19
Speaker 4: I think it's a good idea. Honestly, I think that
49:21
Speaker 4: you don't even have to mention, like you know, if
49:24
Speaker 4: if I was Orman's assistant, uh and you're sending it
49:27
Speaker 4: to me, I don't even think you have to mention
49:29
Speaker 4: herman uh by sending it to me, because you know
49:33
Speaker 4: that if it's good, I'm going to get it into
49:35
Speaker 4: her Mon's Herman's hands, and uh, if I get it
49:40
Speaker 4: into his hands and this is his assistant, then I'm
49:42
Speaker 4: going to get recognized for finding the material. So you
49:45
Speaker 4: could send it to me, like dear Brandon, Uh, I
49:48
Speaker 4: wrote this amazing script that I think fits your guys'
49:52
Speaker 4: slate of films, and I would like for you to
49:53
Speaker 4: check it out and give me your feedback. And you
49:56
Speaker 4: never mentioned Herman's name.
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Speaker 4: And I feel like, Okay, I'm being recognized. I'm his assistant,
50:12
Speaker 4: and this person's recognized me as part of the company.
50:14
Speaker 4: And you know, I read the script and I love it,
50:16
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna reply back to you. You know what.
50:19
Speaker 4: I think this has some potential and I'm gonna take
50:22
Speaker 4: it to them on and uh, I think by doing that,
50:24
Speaker 4: you're right it. It develops a relationship with the assistant
50:30
Speaker 4: and makes them feel important as well, you know, because
50:33
Speaker 4: like Raman said, they are the gatekeepers. They are the
50:35
Speaker 4: guys who get the screenplays, they read the screenplays, and
50:39
Speaker 4: they're the ones that tell their bosses whether they're good
50:41
Speaker 4: or not.
50:43
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
50:45
Speaker 6: In addition to that, country present agree with Brandy. In
50:49
Speaker 6: addition to that, I would go with these says to
50:51
Speaker 6: two because if you go to the agent or manager
50:54
Speaker 6: of Reson's gonna ask is you know much are you offering?
50:57
Speaker 6: So because they can think of from the from the
51:00
Speaker 6: business aspect. But if you hit up the assistant, yeah
51:03
Speaker 6: what Brandon said, they may think, Okay, well this script
51:06
Speaker 6: is fantastic, this is the as system. I think, this
51:08
Speaker 6: is my end, this is my way of getting uh
51:12
Speaker 6: getting bigger in the industry. So yeah, I think it's
51:15
Speaker 6: smart to hit the assistants first. I actually did a
51:19
Speaker 6: think about it that way until you mentioned it and
51:20
Speaker 6: I was like, ah, that makes sense. So uh yeah,
51:24
Speaker 6: I do agree with you guys on that one.
51:27
Speaker 3: So and just just to continue along with that too.
51:30
Speaker 3: Query letters you know, I mean, you know you guys
51:32
Speaker 3: have have you know, interned agencies. You guys have been
51:35
Speaker 3: on all these producers and now and you know, as
51:37
Speaker 3: you guys have progressed in your careers, how have query
51:41
Speaker 3: do queries letter like? Query letters? Do they still works
51:44
Speaker 3: as well as they used to? Like if I were
51:46
Speaker 3: to email somebody, you know, first off, if do they
51:49
Speaker 3: even work still. And two if they do, like what
51:52
Speaker 3: are some of the things that that you've seen or
51:55
Speaker 3: her or producers have said that I've actually gotten them
51:57
Speaker 3: to either open up the email or the assistants to
52:00
Speaker 3: open female rather And actually, you know, I think that's
52:03
Speaker 3: the hardest part because I think I think you see
52:05
Speaker 3: all these emails that are keep coming in, and I mean,
52:08
Speaker 3: I mean I remember talking to somebody at Waymore's Endeavor
52:11
Speaker 3: and he said that he usually you know, nine a
52:13
Speaker 3: percent of the time and he just without even opening
52:15
Speaker 3: he just clicks all the uh on the side panel
52:18
Speaker 3: there and just clicks the lead, delete, the lete, delete, delete,
52:20
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and doesn't even open them.
52:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it depends on the uh how busy
52:28
Speaker 4: the company is. You know. They're smaller production companies that
52:30
Speaker 4: are very successful. I interned with Benderspink uh at that
52:35
Speaker 4: time it was called Benderspink under J. C. Spink and
52:38
Speaker 4: Chris Bender. Uh. They're the producers of Where the Millers,
52:42
Speaker 4: the Hangover movies, a lot of comedies. They were also
52:46
Speaker 4: Oscar nominated for a History of Violence. So I think
52:49
Speaker 4: one of the important things is there's so many companies
52:52
Speaker 4: like that that are successful but not really known, and
52:56
Speaker 4: by researching them, seeing what type of genres they do,
53:00
Speaker 4: you can send those query letters and if if your
53:04
Speaker 4: screenplay matches their slate of films, I think they would
53:08
Speaker 4: be open to it. But you need to be able
53:12
Speaker 4: to ward your you know, your your query a certain way.
53:16
Speaker 4: It can't be a whole bunch of rambling, you know.
53:18
Speaker 4: It has to be short, sweet, and to the point.
53:21
Speaker 4: When I entered there, they did go through query letters,
53:23
Speaker 4: but there had to be something within the meat of
53:26
Speaker 4: the email that interests them, you know. And vendor Spink
53:32
Speaker 4: was known for mostly comedies. Like I said, if they
53:35
Speaker 4: got I don't know, some drama that didn't fit their
53:38
Speaker 4: their slate, they're not going to look at it. They're
53:39
Speaker 4: looking more for the stuff they ever first look deal
53:42
Speaker 4: with New Line cinema, So they're looking for films that
53:44
Speaker 4: New Line wants, you know what I mean.
53:47
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And on that same note, yeah, to try
53:51
Speaker 6: to be succinct as possible. Don't make it a long
53:53
Speaker 6: letter because obviously you know has time to read that,
53:55
Speaker 6: you know, don't send an email. Don't send an email
53:57
Speaker 6: with the message of like that's to take up like
54:00
Speaker 6: you five six paragoffs.
54:01
Speaker 5: They're not gonna have time for that. Absolutely don't. If
54:04
Speaker 5: you're saying queer letter, don't attach a script already.
54:06
Speaker 6: That's a big no note, Like, like the point of
54:09
Speaker 6: the queer letter is to get the attention of it
54:11
Speaker 6: of the person reading, not to already send your your material.
54:15
Speaker 5: So that's a huge no no. And I've it's happened.
54:18
Speaker 6: I've experienced that at at at Mosaic, you know, when
54:20
Speaker 6: I entered there, people doing that as a writer. I've
54:25
Speaker 6: done that in the past, to my mistake, but you know,
54:28
Speaker 6: I've grown from it. But yeah, and on the same notes, Uh,
54:32
Speaker 6: for queer layers, I think they still do work. But
54:34
Speaker 6: you got to remember that people like W E. They
54:36
Speaker 6: only they're gonna work with you if you already had price,
54:39
Speaker 6: if you already have a name. So if you're a
54:41
Speaker 6: brand new to the industry, like you, try not to send.
54:45
Speaker 5: Letters to agencies of that stature. You know, C A,
54:49
Speaker 5: W M, E, E T A.
54:51
Speaker 6: Aim for the smaller ones, aimed for the bot ones,
54:53
Speaker 6: because they're the ones who are still looking for talents,
54:55
Speaker 6: new talents. So my advice is to go for the
55:00
Speaker 6: for the smaller level.
55:02
Speaker 4: UH.
55:03
Speaker 5: Manager companies and agencies.
55:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, because once it gets into their hands, they're the
55:09
Speaker 4: guy that they can take it up to those bigger
55:10
Speaker 4: studios management companies. Yeah.
55:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and that kind of leads into my next question.
55:17
Speaker 3: You know, you guys started the film Empire, and you
55:20
Speaker 3: know there's a there's a writing contest. Uh. You know
55:23
Speaker 3: that that's sort of that that sort of it's kind
55:26
Speaker 3: of the nucleus of the whole of the whole thing.
55:28
Speaker 3: And uh, somebody once also told me that that the
55:31
Speaker 3: writing competitions are really what they look for because they
55:35
Speaker 3: can see now if this writing piece can stand out
55:37
Speaker 3: against all these other writers. Uh, you know, and that way,
55:40
Speaker 3: you're not sending, you know, emails to managers whoever just
55:42
Speaker 3: saying hey, read my screenplay because they don't know if
55:44
Speaker 3: it sucks. I mean, let's be honest here, guys, there's
55:46
Speaker 3: probably a good chance it does suck, you know what
55:48
Speaker 3: I mean. They you know, I remember there was a
55:52
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, there's a guy on Twitter called
55:53
Speaker 3: the Bitter Screenwriter or the Bitter screen Reader, and he
55:56
Speaker 3: just you know, he's seen so many of these scripts.
55:59
Speaker 3: He's just like, what the hell is going on here?
56:00
Speaker 3: You know, So so you know, That's why I think
56:05
Speaker 3: again screawriting competitions. I think that piece of advice is
56:07
Speaker 3: really good just making sure you focus on the on
56:10
Speaker 3: the writing competitions. But you know, just to just to
56:13
Speaker 3: go into that, you guys created the film Empire. Uh
56:16
Speaker 3: and and when when you guys decided to form a partnership,
56:19
Speaker 3: you know what what is you know, the the the
56:22
Speaker 3: your screenwriting competition aspect, you know, you know what is
56:26
Speaker 3: was there? Did you think that there was maybe a
56:29
Speaker 3: feel that there was a need for you know, a
56:31
Speaker 3: different kind of of a screen guarding competition, you know
56:35
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, so, so what was kind of
56:36
Speaker 3: the impetus to create the film Empire and the writing competition?
56:42
Speaker 4: A lot of go ahead Ormont.
56:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, so being you know, doing events and all stuff
56:51
Speaker 6: for people. That was one level of helping you network
56:55
Speaker 6: and break in, right, having a face a face. We
56:58
Speaker 6: wanted to take it up a notch and reach people
57:00
Speaker 6: on a global scale. So because events are are very
57:03
Speaker 6: brick and mortar, right, So when you do contests, literally
57:07
Speaker 6: anyone from anyone in the world can can win and
57:09
Speaker 6: take a meeting and take a skype session with any
57:11
Speaker 6: of the mentors.
57:12
Speaker 5: So what we want to do was mentor meetings.
57:14
Speaker 6: So it's one thing to to to win a contest
57:18
Speaker 6: and get cash, right, awesome, Cool, you got fifty hundred
57:21
Speaker 6: dollars awesome.
57:22
Speaker 5: You know that pays your your runt for the month.
57:24
Speaker 5: That's fantastic.
57:25
Speaker 6: But we wanted to What we wanted to do was
57:28
Speaker 6: have people already in the industry give feedback and mentor
57:32
Speaker 6: meetings to our winners because it's it's it's more than
57:38
Speaker 6: just a meeting. It's it's about cultivating their talents. And
57:41
Speaker 6: our winners get to ask questions that they may not
57:45
Speaker 6: have a chance to otherwise.
57:46
Speaker 5: You know.
57:47
Speaker 6: For example, one of our mentors for our our very
57:53
Speaker 6: recent mentor contest is Tommy Harper, who was formerly of
57:57
Speaker 6: bad Robart bad Robart, but he executive producer for like
58:01
Speaker 6: The Mission Possible films and the Star Wars films, et cetera.
58:04
Speaker 6: So on a on a regular day, someone in London
58:09
Speaker 6: may not be able to meet him, right, but through
58:12
Speaker 6: our contest, we break down my wall. Our winner gets
58:15
Speaker 6: a chance to have a skype session or in person
58:19
Speaker 6: meeting depending on where they're located with people like him,
58:23
Speaker 6: because it allows them to uh cultivate their their their
58:27
Speaker 6: talents and you know, ask questions that they would have
58:32
Speaker 6: no the chance of doing so.
58:33
Speaker 5: In any other situation. So we want to give we
58:37
Speaker 5: want to provide.
58:37
Speaker 6: It a kind of a platform, if you will, for
58:40
Speaker 6: blossoming from the filmmakers and gerenators that could use the
58:45
Speaker 6: extra push or advice from people already working in the industry.
58:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the pick and the piggyback off of what
58:55
Speaker 4: Ramon is saying and something that I said earlier, quit
59:00
Speaker 4: doing this. Our winners are able to in their mentor meetings.
59:04
Speaker 4: They're able to develop the relationship, you know, instead of
59:08
Speaker 4: you know, just bumping into them and saying, hey, read
59:10
Speaker 4: my script. This is their opportunity to sit in front
59:13
Speaker 4: of them build a relationship. If they hit it off,
59:16
Speaker 4: who knows, maybe the producer of their meeting loves the
59:20
Speaker 4: script that they want through our contest, and that producer
59:23
Speaker 4: now wants to produce their pilot or their their feature film,
59:27
Speaker 4: or maybe just slice their attitude and wants to hire
59:29
Speaker 4: them for some position. So our contest mentor meetings is
59:35
Speaker 4: the opportunity to develop more intimate meetings mentorships for our winners.
59:43
Speaker 6: Not Yeah, the first thing to the first thing to
59:46
Speaker 6: any the first thing to any readership is getting the
59:48
Speaker 6: room with somebody, you know, so where Brenda said, even
59:52
Speaker 6: if they don't get their script made per se from
59:55
Speaker 6: this producer or whoever their meeting, they imagin something else
59:59
Speaker 6: for them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And the meetings are the mentor meetings are important.
1:00:15
Speaker 8: That's the person's opportunity to provide a first impression. So
1:00:19
Speaker 8: we're all about developing relationships. That's how Arman and I
1:00:24
Speaker 8: both have.
1:00:26
Speaker 4: Started off and made our way to where we are
1:00:29
Speaker 4: now within Hollywood. We're still young, we still have long
1:00:33
Speaker 4: ways to go, but that's that's like the core of
1:00:36
Speaker 4: where we've got where we are, and we're trying to
1:00:39
Speaker 4: help other people that may have the screenplays that are
1:00:45
Speaker 4: really good but don't have the opportunity to get in
1:00:46
Speaker 4: the room. And we're opening those doors for those people.
1:00:53
Speaker 3: And I think that's the that the crux of all
1:00:57
Speaker 3: this opening doors, you know what I mean. I think
1:01:00
Speaker 3: that's this whole business of relationships. Hell life is about relationships,
1:01:04
Speaker 3: and I think opening doors is one of the flip
1:01:06
Speaker 3: parts of it exactly. So, so how can people enter
1:01:12
Speaker 3: the screening competition by the way, yes.
1:01:16
Speaker 6: Either the film Empire dot com or you can find
1:01:18
Speaker 6: us on film Freeway. On film freeway dot com is
1:01:21
Speaker 6: the platform we use. I think a lot of festivals
1:01:26
Speaker 6: and contests used as well, but definite check us out
1:01:28
Speaker 6: at the film Empire film empire dot.
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Speaker 3: Com and I'm gonna link to that in the show
1:01:36
Speaker 3: notes everybody you know at Dave Pools dot com. But
1:01:39
Speaker 3: before we sort of kind of uh, before we get
1:01:43
Speaker 3: to the parting thoughts, I just want to ask one
1:01:45
Speaker 3: one final question Brandon and Rman. Is there anything so Brandon,
1:01:49
Speaker 3: I'll shoot you this this this question you first. Is
1:01:52
Speaker 3: there anything that you'd like to say to sort of
1:01:55
Speaker 3: port a period at the end of this whole conversation.
1:01:59
Speaker 4: No, I just really and I know I keep stressing it.
1:02:03
Speaker 4: To get into the industry, you got to have thick skin.
1:02:06
Speaker 4: You have to be able to you got to be patient.
1:02:09
Speaker 4: One of our good buddies, Adam Robatel, he's a director
1:02:12
Speaker 4: of The Taking a Deborah Logan and a new movie
1:02:16
Speaker 4: calling called Escape Room. I want to say when we
1:02:20
Speaker 4: met him over at Blumbhouse. Also, he didn't insidious the
1:02:24
Speaker 4: last key he told us that he'd been pushing for
1:02:28
Speaker 4: what ten fifteen years? Are mon Yeah, and he said,
1:02:32
Speaker 4: you have to have a lot of patients. And it's
1:02:34
Speaker 4: been about fifteen years. I want to say that he's
1:02:36
Speaker 4: finally getting his opportunities doing Sony movie. Now he's pitching
1:02:40
Speaker 4: all over doors. I mean, the doors have been open
1:02:44
Speaker 4: for him, but opportunities are just coming for him. And
1:02:46
Speaker 4: that's because he's you know, he's pushed through the ups
1:02:50
Speaker 4: and downs of being in the industry. And there's gonna
1:02:53
Speaker 4: be lots of downs. There's gonna be days where, you know,
1:02:56
Speaker 4: you get an email from a producer that says, you know,
1:02:59
Speaker 4: leave me the excuse me, I won't cuss, leave me alone.
1:03:02
Speaker 4: You can Okay, yeah, you'll. I mean I've gotten somewhere,
1:03:07
Speaker 4: producer wid be like, leave me the fuck alone, you know, uh,
1:03:10
Speaker 4: don't message me again. It happens, and it's gonna feel
1:03:14
Speaker 4: like a punch to the stomach and it sucks. But
1:03:17
Speaker 4: the tough, the people who really want to be in
1:03:21
Speaker 4: the industry, they're just gonna shrug that off and go
1:03:23
Speaker 4: on to the next producer, to the next director that
1:03:25
Speaker 4: they want to work with and try to get into
1:03:28
Speaker 4: their door and develop a relationship with those guys. So
1:03:31
Speaker 4: develop those relationships have its thick skin. No, it's not
1:03:34
Speaker 4: gonna be easy. Just keep building relationships and those relationships
1:03:38
Speaker 4: are going to grow upon each other. So those are
1:03:41
Speaker 4: probably my partying words.
1:03:44
Speaker 3: Do you think it's wise though, Like if a producer
1:03:46
Speaker 3: would say that, like leave me the fuck alone, like
1:03:48
Speaker 3: he because you could be the next big thing and
1:03:51
Speaker 3: you could come back and say, hey, you're the guy
1:03:52
Speaker 3: who told me to fuck off.
1:03:54
Speaker 6: Ha ha.
1:03:56
Speaker 4: I'm hoping. I'm hoping, but no, I don't think. Yeah,
1:04:04
Speaker 4: you know, I the producer that I talked to, I
1:04:09
Speaker 4: want to say he was more so a co producer
1:04:11
Speaker 4: or whatever. But you know, I'm not really gonna take
1:04:14
Speaker 4: that to heart. If I work with him someday, awesome,
1:04:18
Speaker 4: But I don't know. Maybe he was just having a
1:04:21
Speaker 4: bad day the day he told me that. But there's
1:04:24
Speaker 4: so many producers out there in Hollywood. A majority of
1:04:27
Speaker 4: them want to see other people succeed, people who are
1:04:30
Speaker 4: dedicated and want to be in this industry, and they're
1:04:33
Speaker 4: willing to talk to you. But I mean in every
1:04:35
Speaker 4: industry there's a jerk out there, and those jerks, you know,
1:04:40
Speaker 4: their karma will come but yeah, you just have to
1:04:44
Speaker 4: have that thick skin because you are going to get
1:04:45
Speaker 4: some emails from some rude people sometimes. You know it's
1:04:52
Speaker 4: gonna happen, So just have that thick skin.
1:04:56
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely.
1:04:58
Speaker 6: It's funny because just like a few months ago, I
1:05:01
Speaker 6: emailed this agent and it wasn't even about me. It
1:05:04
Speaker 6: was asked I was inviting him his I'm not not him.
1:05:07
Speaker 6: I was inviting his clients in e vent of ours.
1:05:09
Speaker 6: And this guy should have said, if he's taking me
1:05:11
Speaker 6: off your list, I'm like, I'm asking you about your clients.
1:05:14
Speaker 6: Don't you want that? Like, don't you want something for
1:05:17
Speaker 6: your client?
1:05:18
Speaker 4: You know?
1:05:19
Speaker 6: And people like that, it's like, well, you gotta consider
1:05:22
Speaker 6: even though it is a small town and where it
1:05:23
Speaker 6: gets around a lot. He's just one person, she's just
1:05:26
Speaker 6: one person, you know, so there's always other people to
1:05:32
Speaker 6: contact industry. So don't don't like, you know, don't put
1:05:37
Speaker 6: yourself down if you get a no, because it's gonna
1:05:39
Speaker 6: happen a lot. So there's gonna be a lot of nos.
1:05:41
Speaker 6: But once you get that yes, that's what that's what,
1:05:43
Speaker 6: that's what's important. You know, you can get a hundred
1:05:44
Speaker 6: no's and get that one yes, but that one yes
1:05:47
Speaker 6: is what's gonna be the the significant you know, answer
1:05:53
Speaker 6: that you'll get in your career. So yeah, going with
1:05:57
Speaker 6: brand and said have thick skin. Definitely definitely keep networking.
1:06:01
Speaker 6: And for I don't know if if everyone knows this
1:06:03
Speaker 6: out there listening, but you know what we think we
1:06:05
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier.
1:06:07
Speaker 5: It's not from LA. He's from Arizona.
1:06:09
Speaker 6: I just moved to l A last year, so I've
1:06:11
Speaker 6: been networking for five years. So with that being said,
1:06:14
Speaker 6: you can literally network from anywhere, you know, So with
1:06:17
Speaker 6: the with the invention of the internet, there's no excuse
1:06:21
Speaker 6: not to be able to reach out to somebody and
1:06:23
Speaker 6: create that poor from the comfort of your own home.
1:06:28
Speaker 6: So even if you're not in LA, you can still network.
1:06:32
Speaker 6: You know, networking isn't about the four the four, the
1:06:36
Speaker 6: four walls around you. It's about, uh, the the action
1:06:40
Speaker 6: of creating a relationship with somebody.
1:06:46
Speaker 4: Three gear V.
1:06:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I I see a lot of Gary
1:06:57
Speaker 3: v stuff. I actually got his latest book and I
1:06:59
Speaker 3: I took a few notes and I, you know, I
1:07:04
Speaker 3: have a friend of mine who does a lot of
1:07:05
Speaker 3: social media stuff and he swears by Gary Vee and
1:07:07
Speaker 3: everything he does and I have another friend who does
1:07:09
Speaker 3: social media stuff and he goes, don't buy books on
1:07:14
Speaker 3: social media. He was just just do it. So I
1:07:16
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, there's so much, so many tips
1:07:19
Speaker 3: on social media and you know, and I mean, Arman,
1:07:22
Speaker 3: you got twenty six thousand followers, so I'm pretty jealous.
1:07:26
Speaker 6: Has to start somewhere. I had to start at a
1:07:29
Speaker 6: point of where I can grow that.
1:07:30
Speaker 4: You know.
1:07:31
Speaker 6: I like to tell people this, to get a million
1:07:33
Speaker 6: dollar dollars, you to start with one dollar, you know.
1:07:36
Speaker 6: So for me, twenty six didn't come overnight. I had
1:07:38
Speaker 6: to grow that, but for the last five years. And
1:07:41
Speaker 6: I want to thank like you asked to do interviews
1:07:43
Speaker 6: because you know, if you were to google me, you
1:07:45
Speaker 6: can find all the interviews. I can't sell out an
1:07:47
Speaker 6: event because I can't sell out an event without people
1:07:50
Speaker 6: being to find it interviewing. It was like, oh, it's
1:07:53
Speaker 6: full of bet Well wait a minute, I don't ca
1:07:56
Speaker 6: can't find anything on you. Why would I buy tickets
1:07:58
Speaker 6: to your bet or while would I even go to
1:08:01
Speaker 6: the film mPire if I can't find an interview the fire.
1:08:04
Speaker 5: Now, So I think podcasts like you and any other press.
1:08:09
Speaker 6: That by opportunities like this because you're the reason why
1:08:13
Speaker 6: we get twenty six thousand, you know followers.
1:08:17
Speaker 5: So uh yeah, social media is very important. Definitely grow it.
1:08:21
Speaker 6: I guess to go back on the other question about
1:08:23
Speaker 6: uh where you can you know, partying words, but definitely
1:08:25
Speaker 6: to media important nowadays. So definitely grow your social media
1:08:28
Speaker 6: when you can. And social media is a different monster.
1:08:31
Speaker 6: But also kind of the our brands said earlier, you
1:08:36
Speaker 6: constantly do some outreach. You know, you might find some
1:08:38
Speaker 6: cool people on Twitter that you may not meet in
1:08:41
Speaker 6: person in any other given situation, so definitely hit them up,
1:08:45
Speaker 6: you know, contact them and kind of rule their relationship
1:08:47
Speaker 6: over time.
1:08:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And I think social media is important, especially
1:08:54
Speaker 3: when you use it correctly. You actually are are using it,
1:08:58
Speaker 3: and you're actually out there trying to network and meet people,
1:09:01
Speaker 3: and you know, just you know, generally, whatever your goal is,
1:09:03
Speaker 3: you're trying to achieve with that goal. But yeah, yeah, seriously,
1:09:09
Speaker 3: that's how we met man, just randomly. And I've met
1:09:12
Speaker 3: so many people on Twitter and now I'm meeting more
1:09:14
Speaker 3: and more people on Instagram. This is just a side note,
1:09:17
Speaker 3: by the way, I don't know, maybe you guys see
1:09:19
Speaker 3: this too. I see a lot of these. You know,
1:09:23
Speaker 3: I shouldn't even get into it. I'll say that you
1:09:25
Speaker 3: do it, okay, I will, I will give I will
1:09:29
Speaker 3: give it a peer pressure. So I see a lot
1:09:32
Speaker 3: of these models. Let's say, and I saw this girl
1:09:36
Speaker 3: the other day. I followed her her Instagram months and
1:09:40
Speaker 3: months ago, and this picture came up and it's her
1:09:44
Speaker 3: like bent over on a balcony, wearing almost nothing, and obviously,
1:09:50
Speaker 3: because you know, I'm a heterosexual guy, so it caught
1:09:52
Speaker 3: my eye.
1:09:55
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1:10:04
Speaker 3: But here's the funny part, Okay, In the text of
1:10:08
Speaker 3: the post, there was all this text about like she's
1:10:12
Speaker 3: gonna knock somebody out. She's talking about like empowering herself,
1:10:17
Speaker 3: She's talking about this. I mean, it was like it
1:10:19
Speaker 3: was so many points of topics she was going back
1:10:21
Speaker 3: and forth on and none of them had anything to
1:10:24
Speaker 3: do with the photo that she was that she took
1:10:26
Speaker 3: of her bent over on this balcony. And I'm just like,
1:10:28
Speaker 3: what message are you trying to convey here? Like I'm
1:10:31
Speaker 3: I'm lost, I don't know, I don't know what to
1:10:33
Speaker 3: feel about this post.
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Speaker 6: And Dave first advice I don't appreciate you talking about
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Speaker 6: my girlfriend like that.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 5: No, you'll get a lot of those nowadays.
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Speaker 6: You'll have like a model take a picture of themselves
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Speaker 6: and the biki and they try to have some time
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Speaker 6: of inspirational quote underneath it. It's like, what, like, you're
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Speaker 6: you're gonna get a like you're gonna get a like
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Speaker 6: on the picture because of what you're wearing, not because
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Speaker 6: of the quote underneath it.
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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, yeah, it's stuff like that. And I
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Speaker 3: just don't know, you know, I kind of go back
1:11:05
Speaker 3: with you know, in social media and I and we
1:11:08
Speaker 3: could do a whole podcast about this, but they always
1:11:10
Speaker 3: say the vern the reen which is you know, v
1:11:12
Speaker 3: R I N, which is valuable, rare, inimitable and not
1:11:18
Speaker 3: non exchangeable or not non whatever, non substitutable. And you
1:11:23
Speaker 3: look at that and I kind of as I've kind
1:11:26
Speaker 3: of had that in my mind now is of looking
1:11:27
Speaker 3: through other people's social media and I could see now
1:11:30
Speaker 3: why some people have taken off from other people haven't.
1:11:33
Speaker 3: And it's just you know, a lot of times when
1:11:35
Speaker 3: I see those those photos from from different you know,
1:11:38
Speaker 3: models and stuff like that with the inspirational quotes. I
1:11:41
Speaker 3: don't know. It's kind of like, I don't know because
1:11:44
Speaker 3: everyone because other models are doing the exact same thing
1:11:47
Speaker 3: where they're posting, you know, and they're they're posing in
1:11:49
Speaker 3: a certain way and they're also posting an inspirational quote
1:11:52
Speaker 3: or whatever. So the the rarity of that kind of
1:11:55
Speaker 3: goes down. By the way, I'm a huge Gary Vee guy.
1:11:58
Speaker 3: I've studied you know, Ty Lopez' stuff, you know, back
1:12:01
Speaker 3: and forth about you know, some of the social media stuff.
1:12:03
Speaker 3: So so I could talk your ears off about this,
1:12:06
Speaker 3: but I won't though, because you'll be all bored and
1:12:09
Speaker 3: be like, what the hell is this guy talking about?
1:12:10
Speaker 3: So I'll just be like, you know what I mean. Like,
1:12:15
Speaker 3: it's just sometimes with social media, I honestly think it's
1:12:19
Speaker 3: very easy to go down a rabbit hole with this stuff.
1:12:21
Speaker 3: And uh, I will save all that for a time, everybody. So, uh, Brandon,
1:12:26
Speaker 3: where'd people find you out online? Brand you there?
1:12:35
Speaker 6: Oh geez, I think we lost them. Well, if if
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Speaker 6: we lost, Mike can give you socials.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:12:42
Speaker 6: Yeah, So you can find Brandon Waits at b w
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Speaker 6: A I T E S zero seven, That is b
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Speaker 6: Waights zero seven on Twitter.
1:12:51
Speaker 5: And Instagram.
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Speaker 6: You can find me at Urmand undersquare La E R
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Speaker 6: m A n Underscore La on Twitter and Instagram, and
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Speaker 6: you can find the film Empire on Instagram at the
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Speaker 6: Film Empire and on Twitter at the Underscore Film Underscore Empire.
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Speaker 6: You can also find us at Mixnology on both Twitter
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Speaker 6: and Instagram.
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Speaker 5: M I x k n O w l E d
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Speaker 5: g y Rman.
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Speaker 3: I want to say thank you so much for coming on, Brandon.
1:13:14
Speaker 3: I want to say thank you for coming on. I
1:13:15
Speaker 3: think we launched you. In fact, I know we did.
1:13:17
Speaker 3: I can see he's not in the room anymore, but
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Speaker 3: I want to say thank you for both of you
1:13:21
Speaker 3: for coming on.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, sir. Until next time.
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