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The Woman Upstairs: The House Between Two Births · Echoes of the South

• 1:31
  Carrie Genzel: Welcome to Echoes of the South. I'm Carrie Genzel. Every old house has a history. Sometimes history has unfinished business. Today I'm joined by spiritual medium Morrighan Lynne and lead investigator Jonathan Morgan as we investigate a home built in the 1890s in Macon's historic downtown district. It's an area we know well, rich in history and stories waiting around every corner. With a baby boy due in the coming months, it felt like the perfect time to explore whether anything from the home's past might still be lingering. We expected to explore another chapter of Macon's history. Instead, We encountered a story that had been waiting a very long time to find its ending when we met the woman upstairs. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that every story shared on Echoes of the South reflects the first-hand experiences and perspectives of those involved. We invite you to draw your own conclusions. Let's begin.
• 2:59
  Carrie Genzel: Alright, starting upstairs.
• 3:00
  Morrighan Lynne: Great staircase.
• 3:17
  Jonathan Morgan: Alright, we're two.
• 3:18
  Morrighan Lynne: Different energy up here.
• 3:19
  Jonathan Morgan: Want to put one here? So what we're gonna do, we're gonna turn off the the temperature. So just turn it on first, this one here, mute. Okay.
• 3:38
  Morrighan Lynne: You have one job. It's stupid, but you're gonna do it. Do we want the fan off? Is that
• 3:48
  Carrie Genzel: Who might want to turn that off?
• 3:49
  Jonathan Morgan: Yep, you're right. Good call.
• 3:55
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, it feels I I feel bad going in their room but
• 3:57
  Carrie Genzel: We're allowed to go in. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's okay. This feels The most
• 4:08
  Morrighan Lynne: Do you wanna just put this up here like that? You turn it on for me. I don't have my glasses is why I'm saying that. So
• 4:15
  Jonathan Morgan: That's okay.
• 4:17
  Morrighan Lynne: I can't see it anyway.
• 4:28
  Jonathan Morgan: Crank it all the way up. Yeah, that's that's the way I like it. Right.
• 4:33
  Morrighan Lynne: Start raving.
• 4:35
  Carrie Genzel: It is like a rave.
• 4:37
  Jonathan Morgan: I gotta set this one real quick. There we go. All right.
• 4:47
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, there's a little bit of an energy in here. Kind of So the energy changes upstairs. It's different. I don't
• 4:56
  Carrie Genzel: Interesting.
• 4:57
  Morrighan Lynne: know what it is yet. It could be that there's like so much downstairs feels lighter, feels joyful. Like this feels a little bit not as joyful. And I don't think it's a reflection of the family. I feel like it's there's a a more somber or s slightly oppressive.
• 5:27
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 5:27
  Carrie Genzel: Well, I think that like what we find a lot of times in these older homes is like The second floor is a private area. Mm-hmm. Right? Downstairs is where they receive people, everything's great. Welcome to our home.
• 5:45
  Morrighan Lynne: Right.
• 5:47
  Carrie Genzel: Fun Yeah, and then upstairs they would never receive people up here. So this is where real life happens. And real life is a lot of things, it's a lot of flavors. Right? It's and life was hard for a lot of people. There was a lot of loss of life, a lot of people that got sick.
• 6:09
  Morrighan Lynne: A lot of secrets.
• 6:11
  Carrie Genzel: worry, you know, the Great Depression. I mean there's a lot of different a lot of things. True. You know, this was a very affluent neighborhood that you know, we kind of were talking earlier a little bit of like keeping up with the Joneses. So you think like all these families were you know
• 6:34
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 6:38
  Morrighan Lynne: So that looks like a bedroom on that side, like a Jack and Jill bed bathroom. Yeah.
• 6:42
  Jonathan Morgan: it is, yeah.
• 6:44
  Carrie Genzel: Well there's a wow. No, that's a walk in closet. yeah. Yeah.
• 6:51
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 6:53
  Morrighan Lynne: That's a nice walk in closet. Yeah.
• 6:55
  Jonathan Morgan: yeah. That's a closet. This is a huge bathroom.
• 6:58
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, it's a huge bathroom.
• 7:00
  Jonathan Morgan: Beautiful.
• 7:04
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm just gonna I'm gonna take some time to see
• 7:06
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 7:07
  Morrighan Lynne: what's going on.
• 7:08
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 7:40
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, so this room has an imprint memory. I d I'm don't know if it's spiritual yet. It might just be a a memory. 'Cause right away I see a woman giving birth in the bed. Mhm. Right away. And it's not going well. It it's pretty violent, like it's pretty There's lot of fear, there's a lot of screaming, there's a lot of blood. So it's not going as planned. And I get that she dies in the childbirth. Yeah, she's a woman with brown hair.
• 8:44
  Carrie Genzel: Is that the REM pod clicking?
• 8:46
  Jonathan Morgan: I don't know. See that went off. Yeah.
• 8:49
  Carrie Genzel: Didn't you did you hear it? Yeah.
• 8:51
  Jonathan Morgan: it is. I got a slight proximity. Very slight.
• 8:53
  Morrighan Lynne: Proximity. I do get that she it is spiritual for her, but the memory is very imprinted. So I'm trying to filter through like so so imprint is sometimes you can see the memory, like the the room will house the memory, right? But she is a I'm trying to determine if she is spiritual or if she's part of the imprint. And trying not to be like distracted by that and just really feeling it. I do feel that that's her. It is her, but she is a tangerine. She does not Mm-hmm. And she's very faint too. There's not a lot of well, she she lost a lot of blood. So she's very weak. So her awareness is that she's very weak. Yeah. So there's that's a it's a gentle pulse of energy. She's not like a big part of the energy. So I d I do get that.
• 10:08
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, that which is interesting 'cause it's
• 10:12
  Jonathan Morgan: A gentle pulse. The
• 10:14
  Morrighan Lynne: yeah.
• 10:14
  Jonathan Morgan: proximity is like tapping just very
• 10:17
  Morrighan Lynne: Very weak. Yeah. Is it almost like a heartbeat?
• 10:23
  Carrie Genzel: oh my gosh
• 10:25
  Jonathan Morgan: oh, yeah.
• 10:26
  Carrie Genzel: Michael, do you wanna get the REM pod just swing over for a little bit just to get that? 'Cause it's
• 10:36
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, that's her. Because there's a the the baby is born and she's fading as like I see this, the baby is coming out of her, she's fading with it. And so I
• 10:55
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 10:57
  Morrighan Lynne: I feel like the baby lives. And so she's kinda like I see her spirit kind of following the baby as they take it away. So she fades with the baby coming out. And so That's
• 11:26
  Jonathan Morgan: And it just stopped. there it goes.
• 11:30
  Carrie Genzel: I've never seen it do that like for a long period of time. It's such a little
• 11:35
  Jonathan Morgan: Little tap.
• 11:35
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah and it's been on the whole time until we connected with her and then it started tapping.
• 11:40
  Jonathan Morgan: Right.
• 11:41
  Morrighan Lynne: So I know it's not a a glitch in the
• 11:45
  Carrie Genzel: Electrical or something.
• 11:53
  Morrighan Lynne: Are you feeling okay? Are you feeling like your energy's coming back? Feeling a little stronger? If you if you get a little bit closer to that it'll it'll have more energy. You can make it Make the light stay on a little longer. They're just getting your baby cleaned up. And so it's okay to rest right now, okay? Yeah, they'll bring'em back. It's okay right now. 'Cause that is that's the the f the frantic. It's still a soft frantic, but it's still a where are they taking him? And so it ash and I can see them going out, so she's like passing through, trying to follow. But it's okay for you to rest right now. You did good. Yeah, that's so unique. I've never seen it do that before.
• 13:39
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, first time for me too. Yes, that's light. Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.
• 13:47
  Morrighan Lynne: 'Cause it's where it's where she is. 'Cause she would have
• 14:00
  Jonathan Morgan: Check us up to real quick.
• 14:12
  Morrighan Lynne: She's just at the foot of the bed. It's not temperature. We turned the temperature off. Yeah. So the fan won't matter.
• 14:24
  Jonathan Morgan: Its, ah, electromagnetic.
• 14:31
  Morrighan Lynne: Is it okay if I come sit next to you? I'm just gonna sit right there next to you, okay? I just wanna I'm wanna turn on this.
• 14:45
  Jonathan Morgan: Come here one just like.
• 14:47
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm just gonna sit next to you, okay? And start.
• 14:52
  Carrie Genzel: it's back.
• 14:53
  Jonathan Morgan: In the middle one lit up.
• 14:55
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm just gonna sit here next to you, is that okay? You can just hold my hand. Yeah. They're bringing back it's okay. It's all right. We're gonna play with another one, okay? We're just gonna play with another one. that does that cause it?
• 15:28
  Jonathan Morgan: It would. Okay. Yeah. Not too close. Yeah. Yeah. Good.
• 15:36
  Morrighan Lynne: So this one allows us to have a conversation with you if you're open to that. I mean we're resting and you know, we can we can just have a conversation. Is that a deal? So if you'll just bring your attention over to this one. It's kind of a unique A unique way to talk. So I'm so sorry I haven't introduced myself. No wonder you're a little bit shy. My name's Morrighan I'm here with my friends and they can tell you their names.
• 16:28
  Jonathan Morgan: I'm Jonathan.
• 16:29
  Carrie Genzel: I'm Carrie.
• 16:31
  Jonathan Morgan: And I'm Michael.
• 16:33
  Morrighan Lynne: They're just getting your baby cleaned up. He'll be back. So the issue sometimes with tangerines is they are really blinded to their own and I feel like she's really locked in to her own story, so is having a hard time like registering what we're doing. One for yes, thank you, and two for no. Can you do that for me? Is that okay?
• 17:09
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay, okay, okay.
• 17:10
  Morrighan Lynne: No. Are you looking for your baby? Yes. They're just getting him cleaned up. You did good. They'll bring him back in a minute. Is that okay?
• 17:28
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. Yes.
• 17:30
  Morrighan Lynne: So are you the lady of the house? Is this your home? Yeah. That was a hard labor. You did a good job. Are you feeling okay? A little tired. Yeah. I know there's probably some pain, but I think that's pretty normal. I think that's pretty normal. You did good. Yeah. Yeah.
• 18:04
  Carrie Genzel: She's gone.
• 18:07
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. That's that's intelligent. I don't know if there's anything we're gonna be able to do for her. Because she is locked in.
• 18:22
  Jonathan Morgan: Do you think that she's actually still here or it's a imprint?
• 18:26
  Morrighan Lynne: No, that's what I mean, like it's intelligent. Yeah. Like once they start answering, then and we could probably spend a lot of time with her and get her to get it. But that will take some time because she's so locked in. Because see, she's just still frantic. Yeah.
• 18:43
  Carrie Genzel: So what do we do for
• 18:45
  Morrighan Lynne: I need you to come back, please. We're gonna have one more conversation, okay? Yeah, her child is a boy. I do know that.
• 19:07
  Jonathan Morgan: Anything like together we can do to help right.
• 19:12
  Morrighan Lynne: trying to find the right words. I'm trying to lock in on how she can hear that. I feel like She got replaced really fast. So there was a a remarriage.
• 19:29
  Carrie Genzel: Little baby is a boy who's on its way.
• 19:35
  Morrighan Lynne: we need to help her move on. And and now the energy has changed when I said remarried. The energy just changed my ears.
• 19:44
  Jonathan Morgan: Maybe have her relax into the relief of like afterwards.
• 19:54
  Morrighan Lynne: Hey honey. I'm gonna have to have a hard conversation with you. Are you okay with that? I'm gonna help you find your son, but I need to have a really honest conversation with you. Okay. So Your son is safe, but he's not here. Yes. And you shouldn't be here. Your son needs you, but he needs you in a different place. Are you open to going and finding him? Okay. So I have a friend that's gonna help you find your child. Are you open to going with that friend?
• 20:41
  Jonathan Morgan: No.
• 20:42
  Morrighan Lynne: Your your baby's not here anymore. You have to You have to go find him. The atmosphere's changing in the room. I my head feels real swimmy and full. So this is sort of an a accelerated process.
• 21:01
  Carrie Genzel: Of course, well sure.
• 21:04
  Morrighan Lynne: And that's starting to tap faster.
• 21:06
  Jonathan Morgan: Do you think you can have her relax into the relief of you know, once you give childbirth, you just want to relax, you just wanna collapse, you just wanna like just let go give in, let go. Maybe give into that let go, right? Maybe.
• 21:22
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm trying to get her to leave the house though.
• 21:24
  Jonathan Morgan: Well if she let yeah.
• 21:27
  Carrie Genzel: I know. Like really let go.
• 21:30
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah. Just relax, let go into it.
• 21:36
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm gonna go ahead and preemptively just I'm gonna call in Archangel Gabriel. And Gabriel, if you could please help me find her child. It's getting faster.
• 21:54
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, it is.
• 21:56
  Morrighan Lynne: So Archangel Gabriel, please help me find this woman's child. And please if you will stand right over there for her so that she can see you bring the baby in. Do you see your child? Either one, you can say yes here or you can do a stronger grab here. So it's picking up.
• 22:23
  Jonathan Morgan: It is.
• 22:25
  Morrighan Lynne: So Gabriel's bringing your baby. Gabriel's my friend. Do you see him? Can you come here please? I need to make sure you see. You're gonna be able to go with your child.
• 22:42
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 22:44
  Morrighan Lynne: I just want to make sure you're safe. That's so amazing. Just calm down a little bit, just breathe. She's starting to get aware. She sees what's happening.
• 23:12
  Jonathan Morgan: Here we go.
• 23:13
  Morrighan Lynne: Alright, sweetheart, do you understand what's happening?
• 23:16
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 23:19
  Morrighan Lynne: One for yes, two for no. Do you see what's happening? Yes. So Gabriel has your child. Gabriel is an angel. You passed. You passed away. No. I know. You passed away in childbirth. And you've been waiting to find your child. There's your child. Are
• 23:45
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 23:46
  Morrighan Lynne: you ready to go and be with him? Yes. That was a sing song-y. You can go. You can go be with your baby now. You don't have to be here anymore. You've waited long enough. You did great. You did great. Yeah. Do you wanna go? Are you ready? You guys are gonna get to go to a whole different beautiful place. No. Yeah, you get to go to a different place. You get to be at peace. You wanna be at peace? Go
• 24:19
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 24:20
  Morrighan Lynne: raise your child? Yes. You can go ahead and go now. He's gonna help you go home.
• 24:26
  Jonathan Morgan: It's okay to go with your son.
• 24:30
  Morrighan Lynne: Yes, it's okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, you can go. Don't be afraid. Mothers have to be brave for the babies, so you can be brave, I believe you. You can be brave. call in Michael as well, just Michael if you'll help her with her fear. Help her release that.
• 25:05
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 25:13
  Morrighan Lynne: It's like she doesn't want to let go of this room because it's her connection to the baby.
• 25:18
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 25:27
  Morrighan Lynne: There's some anger now coming up. What's the anger about? don't feel like the husband was very nice to her. He doesn't have to come with you. It can just be you and your baby. He's not going with you, don't worry about that. Go ahead. You can go. You don't you don't need to be here anymore. This is not your home anymore, honey.
• 26:05
  Jonathan Morgan: You can rest, you can be at peace.
• 26:08
  Morrighan Lynne: There's something I'm missing. I can't put my finger on it. There's a little girl, like they had a daughter. She's probably about four. Yeah, I'm missing something. I'm missing a piece of the puzzle. But she's not very she's not talking to me about it. So I'm I'm gonna go ahead and just like Take care of it because she needs to not be here.
• 26:53
  Carrie Genzel: she's back.
• 26:54
  Morrighan Lynne: All right, sweetheart. Are you looking for your daughter as well? Do you have a daughter? One for yes, two for no.
• 27:11
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 27:12
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. Do you see your daughter standing over there as well with Archangel Gabriel? Gabriel has has your child. Yes. Yes. You ready to go? You ready to go with them? Is that the last piece of what you were looking for?
• 27:34
  Carrie Genzel: No.
• 27:36
  Morrighan Lynne: You're gonna have to let your anger go. You have to let your husband go. He's not here anymore. Yes. He's not here anymore. He can't hurt you and he can't hurt the children.
• 27:52
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 27:53
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 27:55
  Morrighan Lynne: That was like an agreement. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's gone. It's you and your children and you all get to go together. Yes. So you get to go play, you get to go have fun, you get to go be happy. You ready for that? No.
• 28:10
  Jonathan Morgan: No.
• 28:12
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm missing something. Are there other children? Do you ha did you give birth to more? There's
• 28:29
  Carrie Genzel: No.
• 28:29
  Morrighan Lynne: more children, but
• 28:35
  Carrie Genzel: She's gone.
• 28:37
  Morrighan Lynne: There's like a responsibility.
• 28:41
  Carrie Genzel: Is it just it could it be just family? A lot of times if something happened, the family would take in children if there was
• 28:52
  Morrighan Lynne: Mm, kinda really nauseated right now.
• 28:54
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 28:58
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm missing something.
• 29:01
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Morrighan Lynne: It feels like a responsibility, like she can't go. She has to take all the children. And I don't know what that means.
• 29:21
  Jonathan Morgan: Are the children unsafe? Are they not safe here?
• 29:26
  Morrighan Lynne: I don't know that I don't know if it's safety, it feels like responsibility. Like it's her job or her role or her purpose. It could be other family members, but it feels bigger than that.
• 29:40
  Carrie Genzel: Let me ask you this there used to be an orphanage.
• 29:46
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 29:49
  Morrighan Lynne: I couldn't figure out where
• 29:50
  Carrie Genzel: Right here next door for girls.
• 29:57
  Morrighan Lynne: yeah. I'm
• 29:58
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 29:59
  Morrighan Lynne: like, I just saw a bunch of children and I'm like, she didn't give birth to all those kids, that's a lot of kids. She
• 30:04
  Carrie Genzel: He wants to save all the kids.
• 30:06
  Morrighan Lynne: wants to save all the kids.
• 30:10
  Carrie Genzel: So was she actually tied to this property or
• 30:14
  Morrighan Lynne: I see her in this bed.
• 30:16
  Carrie Genzel: But the children maybe were next door and she
• 30:19
  Morrighan Lynne: Maybe
• 30:20
  Carrie Genzel: and she wanted to care for
• 30:22
  Morrighan Lynne: Worked there or volunteered there, maybe, like she feels responsible. Specifically, she feels responsible, not this like I've gotta save the world energy. Can you come back? I think I understand now. One more time. One more time. You are trying to save all the girls, all the children. Is that right? Come back to me. Cause that's okay, I can do something about that. I can help you. But I need to have some answers so I make sure. Okay, come back to me. Okay, is that correct? Did you volunteer and or work at the orphanage next door? Were you involved in that? Yes. Is that what you're talking about? You want to save all the children, not just your babies, but all the babies.
• 31:35
  Carrie Genzel: Yes
• 31:36
  Morrighan Lynne: Alright, sweetheart. So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna make that doorway really, really wide. And I'm gonna ask Gabriel and Chamuel and Michael to just round up all the babies. No. It's okay. It's okay. We're gonna round up whoever's left, and you're gonna get to go with all of them. Yes. It's okay. I know this is weird and scary, but it's gonna be okay. You get to go with All the kids. Is that fair? Is that work? Yeah. You ready? 'Cause you get to go. You all get to go play and be happy. You
• 32:23
  Carrie Genzel: No.
• 32:23
  Morrighan Lynne: she's like something's wrong.
• 32:26
  Carrie Genzel: What is it that's stopping she's gone.
• 32:28
  Morrighan Lynne: I don't know. Something's not
• 32:31
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:32
  Carrie Genzel: Is it just the that it's
• 32:34
  Morrighan Lynne: But the reality part of it, she doesn't understand how that's gonna happen.
• 32:37
  Carrie Genzel: Right. Well it's a lot it's a big shift.
• 32:41
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, and it's a quick one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:43
  Carrie Genzel: A few minutes ago.
• 32:44
  Morrighan Lynne: I know, I know. Okay. Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna ask Archangel Michael to open up a doorway in the orphanage in her mind so she sees the orphanage. And then we're we're gonna invite her to go over there because it's it can't be here. She's too tied to this room. And so if she comes back, we're just gonna like go and move to that building.
• 33:19
  Jonathan Morgan: Shifting her reality, shifting her.
• 33:22
  Morrighan Lynne: She's listening. So I'm telling all of the girls to go pack their bags. That they're all going on a trip with you. And go ahead and pack your bags too, because that's what you're gonna do as well. They're getting the babies ready, your daughter and your son. And they're gonna the girls are getting their bags packed. And it was all girls.
• 33:42
  Carrie Genzel: I believe so.
• 33:52
  Morrighan Lynne: Is that fair? But you gotta go over there and get them all ready so that you can like round them up 'cause you know there's a lot of them. Just come back to me one more time and tell me if that's okay with you. It's lifting. I can feel the there's more happiness now. If this is the reason we're in this house for her in her pregnancy, this is really important. Like if this ends up being the reason this is a really important reason 'cause she needs to not be pregnant in this bed with this woman here.
• 34:46
  Carrie Genzel: She's back.
• 34:47
  Morrighan Lynne: Alright, sweetheart. The girls are getting their bags packed. Have you got your bag packed? Are you ready for a trip?
• 35:01
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. No.
• 35:02
  Morrighan Lynne: No. Well figure out what you need. Figure out what you need. It's time to go.
• 35:10
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 35:10
  Morrighan Lynne: The train is taking off. It's she's pissed. You need to show me what you need then. What do you need? I feel like it's tied to the husband.
• 35:28
  Jonathan Morgan: What you need to feel complete.
• 35:32
  Morrighan Lynne: She's so angry at her husband. Are you mad at your husband?
• 35:41
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah. He doesn't deserve you.
• 35:43
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. He's not gonna go with you. He doesn't get to go on this trip. Just you and the kids. He doesn't get to go. Exactly. He stays here, you all leave, you get to go.
• 35:59
  Jonathan Morgan: You're going to a much better place. Yeah. He doesn't deserve to go where you're going.
• 36:04
  Morrighan Lynne: Do guys want to go to the beach? Do you like the beach?
• 36:12
  Carrie Genzel: She's so tied to that.
• 36:15
  Morrighan Lynne: He did something to her and she's like not wanting him to like He doesn't get to get away with it. Right. It's like this like I he doesn't get to just live his life. Like it's revenge energy. Right.
• 36:32
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 36:38
  Morrighan Lynne: Is it about your husband? Did he hurt you? Yes. Did you lose another baby because of him? Did he punch you in the stomach? No. But you did lose another baby because of him. Is that right?
• 37:05
  Jonathan Morgan: Yes.
• 37:06
  Morrighan Lynne: I I see him like abusing her and she lost the baby. And that's the baby you're looking for? No. You just are pissed. He doesn't get to get away with it. 'Cause you died, he remarried. Yeah. She's pissed. She got replaced really fast. That's what it is. That's what it is. Or something around that. Like we could like dig up the whole intricate story with her. You're gonna have to let it go, honey. You're gonna have to let it go. I know. That's part of the healing. He got away with it. I'm so sorry that shouldn't have happened to you. But now you're free. You get to go. And he's tormented by what he did to you. That's what it is.
• 38:08
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 38:10
  Carrie Genzel: Now we're now we're marriage counselors.
• 38:12
  Jonathan Morgan: Right.
• 38:13
  Morrighan Lynne: Told you it's coaching.
• 38:16
  Jonathan Morgan: So exactly. Alive or dead.
• 38:20
  Carrie Genzel: You wanna should I say something? Yeah. About downstairs?
• 38:25
  Jonathan Morgan: counselling, right.
• 38:27
  Carrie Genzel: many years the room right below us was a therapist's office turned
• 38:32
  Morrighan Lynne: That's hilarious.
• 38:33
  Carrie Genzel: off.
• 38:34
  Morrighan Lynne: That's hilarious.
• 38:36
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, so for many, many years right below us in the room below us was a therapist's office. Yeah. So that's what's interesting. I'm like, is she tied to this actual room? Well she's I think it's predates the therapist, so it's not that she
• 38:53
  Morrighan Lynne: No, but it that therap that therapy energy would have kept it going though. She would have fed off that. She would have fed off that. Like judging the couples, probably hating the men, like she is filled with anger. She is so
• 39:08
  Carrie Genzel: Like feeding off of all of the people coming in to work through their trauma. Yeah.
• 39:15
  Morrighan Lynne: And I do get that he moved on really fast because the baby lived. The husband needed a wife. Right. If he didn't already have somebody waiting, he married really quickly. Mm-hmm. And so she's livid. That he
• 39:28
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 39:30
  Morrighan Lynne: moved on that fast. And how he hurt her and she lost the baby. And so like there's all of this like it's not fair. Mm-hmm. She's not in that frantic anymore. I don't know the full story, but whatever it is, it's okay to rest now. You've held it together long enough. It is okay to let go. You have to go now. You you don't belong here anymore. This isn't your time, this isn't your home. It belongs to a different family.
• 40:03
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 40:04
  Jonathan Morgan: for your happiness, for your health, this is this is best. This is good.
• 40:11
  Morrighan Lynne: You have to go now.
• 40:14
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 40:15
  Morrighan Lynne: You have to go.
• 40:17
  Jonathan Morgan: Think of your health. There she goes.
• 40:24
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm gonna just clear her. She can't be here anymore. And now she's aware.
• 40:30
  Carrie Genzel: It's like let go or be dragged. We're we're in the dragging.
• 40:35
  Morrighan Lynne: We're in the dragging phase and normally I don't do that except it's terribly unhealthy for the family here to have her while they're pregnant. It's very unhealthy.
• 40:48
  Carrie Genzel: And it's not healthy for her.
• 40:50
  Jonathan Morgan: And she has a lot of anger.
• 40:51
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.
• 40:54
  Jonathan Morgan: Two toward man toward the husband.
• 40:56
  Morrighan Lynne: Not like that you were talking to her.
• 40:58
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 40:59
  Morrighan Lynne: She did not.
• 41:00
  Jonathan Morgan: Try to be as soft as possible.
• 41:02
  Morrighan Lynne: That was already too much. She was like, who are you to talk to me? And I was like, I'm
• 41:09
  Jonathan Morgan: Mm-hmm.
• 41:10
  Carrie Genzel: Okay.
• 41:11
  Morrighan Lynne: just gonna let that go. Yeah. Alright.
• 41:14
  Carrie Genzel: Tha.
• 41:15
  Morrighan Lynne: So
• 41:15
  Jonathan Morgan: I know.
• 41:19
  Morrighan Lynne: I'm s I'm so sorry, sweetheart, but you have to go now. So, Archangel Michael, I ask that you bring in your tunnel of lights and open up a doorway to take this beautiful woman to the her rightful place of expression so that she can be at peace, so that she can be with her children, and so that she can be with any other beautiful beings that want to support her so that she can finally rest and be out of this home. If you will open up that tunnel of light and please escort her.
• 42:00
  Jonathan Morgan: Got a lot more calm.
• 42:01
  Carrie Genzel: Think it stopped beeping. REM pods quiet.
• 42:05
  Jonathan Morgan: Wow. okay.
• 42:10
  Carrie Genzel: Archangel Michael w is very efficient.
• 42:13
  Morrighan Lynne: That you
• 42:14
  Jonathan Morgan: It stopped.
• 42:15
  Morrighan Lynne: have got to be kidding me.
• 42:17
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 42:18
  Carrie Genzel: Wait, there was one little flicker. She's like
• 42:22
  Morrighan Lynne: It's getting drag.
• 42:23
  Carrie Genzel: Girl, like go, go. Gotta let go. So peaceful.
• 42:27
  Morrighan Lynne: In fact I'd like for you to go through this entire home, Michael, and cut and sever and remove any attachments that are keeping her here. She doesn't need to be here anymore. You have to go. You have to go.
• 42:46
  Carrie Genzel: I think that's the sign.
• 42:48
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay. I'm like, what is that so white noise sound?
• 43:03
  Morrighan Lynne: Let it go. Michael just take her. It's not safe. It's not safe for the family that lives here. It's not right. She needs to go. Any and all cords or attachments, any all bindings, any and all residual emotions. Clear this home Don't make me get my loud voice on. Is this something else?
• 44:03
  Jonathan Morgan: It feels like she's like it it I felt the exhale.
• 44:06
  Morrighan Lynne: I felt her leave.
• 44:08
  Carrie Genzel: So what this did
• 44:24
  Jonathan Morgan: And now it stopped. Mm.
• 44:28
  Morrighan Lynne: That's it.
• 44:29
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, just
• 44:32
  Morrighan Lynne: It was clearing out.
• 44:36
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Carrie Genzel: It's just it's too late.
• 44:38
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. It feels like something else though.
• 44:47
  Carrie Genzel: During evidence review, Jon realized we captured an orb coming out of the bedroom and into the hall. Join us after the investigation to look into this evidence further.
• 45:40
  Jonathan Morgan: record this, we're going to that room and the REM pod's going off.
• 45:44
  Carrie Genzel: Hear it? Michael, are you rolling? I'm trying to get it on. Shit. What? Are you kidding?
• 45:54
  Jonathan Morgan: It's gone off hard.
• 45:55
  Morrighan Lynne: Can you get it with your
• 45:56
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, well yeah. Just sec.
• 45:59
  Morrighan Lynne: 'Cause it was going off as we walked down the hall.
• 46:08
  Jonathan Morgan: So the room that we're going into is going off.
• 46:12
  Carrie Genzel: So we're coming in here. No, I'm missing it too because I'm not set up for that, but you got it? We just come in here and the REM pod is going off hard.
• 46:25
  Morrighan Lynne: 'Cause this is the room we decided to go into.
• 46:28
  Jonathan Morgan: And we just discussed coming in here and it started hitting.
• 46:38
  Morrighan Lynne: Hello there.
• 46:40
  Carrie Genzel: Hi who's here?
• 46:45
  Morrighan Lynne: Can you back away so that we know it's not a malfunction? 'Cause there is no way that's
• 46:55
  Jonathan Morgan: It it wasn't going off until like two minutes ago or a minute.
• 46:59
  Carrie Genzel: So it'd been down here and it wasn't going off.
• 47:03
  Morrighan Lynne: Okay, thank you.
• 47:06
  Jonathan Morgan: Thanks for letting us know.
• 47:09
  Morrighan Lynne: You seem excited. I do turn on. I I'm turning it on, yeah. I just wanna see. Make sure to get both.
• 47:17
  Carrie Genzel: Okay.
• 47:23
  Morrighan Lynne: Okay, thank you.
• 47:27
  Jonathan Morgan: You're excited to talk to us, aren't you?
• 47:28
  Morrighan Lynne: You're like, Yay, my turn, my turn, my turn. But the way this works is you have to like take your hand off of it so that we can do some yes and no questions. Are you open to that?
• 47:51
  Jonathan Morgan: I'm just gonna hold it.
• 47:52
  Morrighan Lynne: Telling you equipment has been put it on this side.
• 47:57
  Jonathan Morgan: Going too. Yeah. Yep. That's where I"m goin'.
• 48:00
  Carrie Genzel: Should we take it away?
• 48:03
  Jonathan Morgan: I'm I'm gonna reset it. I'm gonna reset it.
• 48:06
  Morrighan Lynne: Can you come over here and touch this one? 'Cause this one actually has more lights. If
• 48:11
  Carrie Genzel: That one's actually cooler.
• 48:12
  Morrighan Lynne: you come over here instead, it does the same thing but it has different colored lights. Pretty cool.
• 48:19
  Jonathan Morgan: Can you move to the other one, please? Move to the other one.
• 48:25
  Morrighan Lynne: hi there. I feel like this is two different people. One for yes, two for no.
• 48:35
  Carrie Genzel: All right. Alright, let's move. there we go. Yeah.
• 48:39
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, two different people. Is there more than two people in this room right now? There's this guy, this guy, anybody else? Yeah.
• 48:52
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 48:53
  Morrighan Lynne: I get that there's like five other people other than the four of us, there's five of you. Is that correct?
• 49:03
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Morrighan Lynne: Five other people in this room. Okay, so one person here, one person here, and one person there. How about that? See that just stopped. So it's not the equipment. Okay,
• 49:16
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 49:17
  Morrighan Lynne: cause so can somebody come over here and touch this one? These are such cool toys, huh? Yeah.
• 49:26
  Jonathan Morgan: my god.
• 49:27
  Carrie Genzel: This one's even cooler.
• 49:29
  Morrighan Lynne: Like seriously, this is the best one out of all of out of all of them. 'Cause this one has different colored lights. This one
• 49:38
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 49:39
  Morrighan Lynne: No Yeah, no. Well just try it. You have to at least
• 49:43
  Carrie Genzel: The red light came on.
• 49:46
  Morrighan Lynne: You have to at least try it. No. You like this one. They like that one. Well, who wants this one?
• 49:54
  Carrie Genzel: There's another one up for grabs. I saw a little light flash. Yeah.
• 50:03
  Jonathan Morgan: Good Lord.
• 50:06
  Morrighan Lynne: Cause this would have been right under the bed, right? Okay. Towards the end of the conversation, I when I felt her leave, but I also the thing wasn't stopping. It kept, you know, tapping. I tuned in and it feels like there's a portal that did this. Like opened from the ground into where the REM pod was. And it feels like a
• 50:29
  Carrie Genzel: Double
• 50:32
  Morrighan Lynne: Like a like an hourglass shape. Okay. Portal. I don't know and I didn't understand, but this is also freaking out. This might be a very active this is where the
• 50:45
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 50:46
  Morrighan Lynne: right here, this table. Does that make sense?
• 50:50
  Jonathan Morgan: It does. One second, I wanna There we go. Boost that up a little bit. Tone it up, up, up.
• 51:04
  Morrighan Lynne: Alright, so
• 51:10
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, that's a lot.
• 51:11
  Morrighan Lynne: It doesn't do that. That's that's not That's
• 51:14
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, it shouldn't be doing that.
• 51:16
  Morrighan Lynne: him holding the antenna.
• 51:19
  Jonathan Morgan: Alright, yeah, there's nothing in the box.
• 51:21
  Morrighan Lynne: What's that?
• 51:29
  Carrie Genzel: It's like all right, there's
• 51:32
  Morrighan Lynne: See now it's not doing it. Yeah. Did you not like that we moved it? I wonder if there's wiring in the floor. What's underneath this?
• 51:47
  Jonathan Morgan: It's it's like a it it should
• 51:51
  Carrie Genzel: Probably.
• 51:51
  Morrighan Lynne: Because it also here's the debunking, it also wasn't going off the whole time. It was just when we said we're going to this room.
• 51:58
  Carrie Genzel: That REM pod has been on since we got here. John and I walked around and we put this is the one of the first ones we put and it never went off.
• 52:07
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, there's it's that is weird. Okay, maybe it's
• 52:12
  Morrighan Lynne: four.
• 52:14
  Jonathan Morgan: It's hitting two. There's something.
• 52:17
  Carrie Genzel: But why didn't it go off the for over an hour? I don't know. you got somebody.
• 52:24
  Morrighan Lynne: hi. Okay. Do you all live in this house? Is this your home? One for yes, two for no. Do you live in this house? I I got y some yes, some no. So s some of you do, some of you don't. Is that correct? No. No. Feels like a like a wayward traveler's
• 53:00
  Carrie Genzel: Like hey.
• 53:02
  Morrighan Lynne: kinda
• 53:03
  Jonathan Morgan: Well, if there's a portal then it will draw.
• 53:05
  Morrighan Lynne: That's right.
• 53:06
  Carrie Genzel: Yes. Big yes. There you go.
• 53:08
  Morrighan Lynne: You're on.
• 53:10
  Jonathan Morgan: So your drawn because of the portal, is it attractive? Like it is it lighting up for you?
• 53:19
  Carrie Genzel: Yes. Yes.
• 53:20
  Jonathan Morgan: It's Are you feeling energized? Are you feeling energized because of the portal? Because of the energy? You you feel better? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like a euphoric feeling. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:33
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. It's like a spring of life.
• 53:37
  Carrie Genzel: So is it something that's always here or is it something because we were working with Archangel Michael and to get
• 53:47
  Jonathan Morgan: It's always here.
• 53:50
  Carrie Genzel: But if we are doing that, does that make it brighter or does is are they not connected at all? Interesting.
• 53:56
  Jonathan Morgan: I think that's separate. Yeah, 'cause I I I do think this is like a natural vortex, a natural portal vortex.
• 54:04
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. They're natural.
• 54:08
  Jonathan Morgan: Maybe underground springs, limestone, or ley lines.
• 54:13
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. It's ley lines. Ley lines.
• 54:16
  Carrie Genzel: Interesting. Yeah. So there's like j it's like a transit station. There's like people coming and going.
• 54:21
  Morrighan Lynne: Little pockets of Almost like Yellowstone where it's like geysers kind of energy. It's like that, but it's it's invisible.
• 54:29
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay. Fascinating. And there's nothing to do about that. I mean it's it's a natural occurrence.
• 54:38
  Morrighan Lynne: There's nothing wrong with it. It just will be attractive.
• 54:41
  Jonathan Morgan: Attractive, yeah.
• 54:44
  Carrie Genzel: And so they just use that to come to go from their realm into ours and back.
• 54:50
  Jonathan Morgan: Depends on who they are.
• 54:52
  Morrighan Lynne: No, it's more like a well, like they drink from it. It's like that.
• 54:56
  Carrie Genzel: I thought it was like a doorway.
• 54:58
  Morrighan Lynne: It's
• 55:00
  Jonathan Morgan: Portals are.
• 55:01
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, that's not what?
• 55:02
  Morrighan Lynne: I did call it a portal, I'm sorry. It I changed really fast.
• 55:06
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. it's a vortex. okay. Sorry. That's all right.
• 55:10
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. So they'll drink from it and it's it's like revitalizing.
• 55:16
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 55:17
  Carrie Genzel: Interesting.
• 55:18
  Jonathan Morgan: And they could be different things.
• 55:21
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 55:22
  Morrighan Lynne: All the things.
• 55:22
  Jonathan Morgan: All the things on the astral, all the things in the other realm.
• 55:27
  Carrie Genzel: Now we as as the living, do we draw anything from it, even not knowing that it's there? Mm-hmm. Like so
• 55:35
  Jonathan Morgan: So this used to be where she would do her counselling. She was naturally drawn to to have this as her counselling place.
• 55:42
  Carrie Genzel: Right. This room.
• 55:44
  Jonathan Morgan: As opposed to another room.
• 55:46
  Carrie Genzel: Right. Yeah.
• 55:47
  Morrighan Lynne: And the living will feel it. Like we'll we'll feel like it is lighter in here. It feels I feel more awake in here.
• 55:54
  Jonathan Morgan: Earlier when sorry, yeah. Earlier when you and I walked in, you said it feels like a different time in here. Yeah. Like time slows down in here.
• 56:02
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. It felt like I said to John that it almost like I was wondering if the therapist because maybe she and you would know, Morrighan this is your line of work, right? That maybe she held space a safe space in here for her clients and so when you walk in it feels sort of almost like time slows down and it's like, like a warm blanket. Like mm-hmm. Yeah.
• 56:27
  Morrighan Lynne: Mm-hmm. Are we correct? Is it a vortex? A natural vortex. Maybe that's not your language.
• 56:40
  Jonathan Morgan: Do you feel a swirling energy? almost
• 56:44
  Carrie Genzel: No. No.
• 56:46
  Morrighan Lynne: It's it's a it's a whoosh, not swirling. It goes up like this. Kind of like a geyser or a volcano type energy, right? Yeah.
• 56:57
  Carrie Genzel: Yes.
• 56:58
  Morrighan Lynne: So it doesn't spin.
• 57:00
  Jonathan Morgan: See that fascinates me. Th what are they seeing visually on their side?
• 57:05
  Morrighan Lynne: It looks like a water fountain and it opens up like that and then opens up like that.
• 57:10
  Jonathan Morgan: Like a well spring. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 57:14
  Morrighan Lynne: It's where you it's where you feed, it's where you feel energized. Yeah.
• 57:17
  Jonathan Morgan: You drink from Yeah.
• 57:21
  Morrighan Lynne: Is that true? Yes. Does a lot of people pass through this this space? A lot of yeah.
• 57:29
  Carrie Genzel: They just pass through themselves. Exactly. See ya!
• 57:34
  Jonathan Morgan: So many passed through they they just left.
• 57:36
  Morrighan Lynne: Like I gotta go. I feel better now, thanks.
• 57:39
  Carrie Genzel: That's really interesting. So we haven't really talked about vortexes and what those are. I've definitely heard the term, but I've never really thought about exactly what it is. That just flashed the REM pod. Yeah. I that person obviously moved on because holy moly.
• 57:57
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah
• 57:57
  Morrighan Lynne: She was like
• 58:02
  Jonathan Morgan: God.
• 58:04
  Carrie Genzel: Fine. Or it was a little kid. It could have been from the orphanage or something. Yeah. That would
• 58:14
  Morrighan Lynne: Just turn that on.
• 58:16
  Carrie Genzel: be fascinating for a l a little little kid.
• 58:18
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, let's let's try
• 58:21
  Morrighan Lynne: Since there is a lot of passing we'll get a lot of different
• 58:24
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, a lot of hellos.
• 58:26
  Jonathan Morgan: Mm-hmm.
• 58:26
  Carrie Genzel: I thought I heard a woman right when you just now.
• 58:31
  Jonathan Morgan: I'm sweet.
• 58:32
  Carrie Genzel: Somebody's back someone's here more again. The ghost
• 58:35
  Morrighan Lynne: Honey. Yeah, everyone's welcome in this space. We're just gonna have kind of an open dialogue, open discussion with all our cool little toys. Is that interesting to you?
• 58:51
  Carrie Genzel: No.
• 58:52
  Morrighan Lynne: You're here for the vortex.
• 58:55
  Jonathan Morgan: Not here for us.
• 58:56
  Morrighan Lynne: You're here for the vortex, you're here for the the energy?
• 59:05
  Carrie Genzel: No. Huh. Maybe there's passing water.
• 59:09
  Morrighan Lynne: Are you here for? You're here 'cause we're so cute.
• 59:16
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 59:17
  Morrighan Lynne: I knew it was gonna say yes. It's a cheeky old man. It's a cheeky old man I can feel and he was like, I'm here for the women. Dirty old man.
• 59:29
  Jonathan Morgan: He's a
• 59:35
  Morrighan Lynne: Crazy guy.
• 59:38
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah
• 59:39
  Morrighan Lynne: Well sorry, we're both married ladies. There's no dating. I needed to make sure that was clear so he didn't come home with us.
• 59:50
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 59:52
  Morrighan Lynne: That's hilarious, like I gotta go. I gotta go. You're not available.
• 59:56
  Carrie Genzel: I'm moving on.
• 1:00:00
  Jonathan Morgan: my god.
• 1:00:02
  Morrighan Lynne: Okay, who wants to have a conversation? We've got this now where you can speak through.
• 1:00:18
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, it's very interesting. I haven't really heard anything. It's been on like forty five seconds. I know that's a short amount of time like this.
• 1:00:25
  Morrighan Lynne: Something needs to be touching the table. In the vortex.
• 1:00:31
  Jonathan Morgan: In the vortex. Let's put it in the board.
• 1:00:36
  Carrie Genzel: Cause I feel like if this is where they come to get energy or whatever, I feel like we're hanging out in their bar.
• 1:00:42
  Morrighan Lynne: Because it feels light and lovely. Right. On the other side.
• 1:00:45
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Jonathan Morgan: Alright, we have a radio here you can talk to. You can let us hear your voice. You can tell us about the vortex, tell us about the energy, tell us your name.
• 1:01:10
  Morrighan Lynne: Where are you from?
• 1:01:20
  Jonathan Morgan: Turn it up a little bit.
• 1:01:21
  Carrie Genzel: We gotta hit on the REM pod.
• 1:01:28
  Jonathan Morgan: Come get a drink of fresh water from the vortex from this this this well spring. Tell us where you came from.
• 1:01:47
  Morrighan Lynne: Do you need any help?
• 1:02:02
  Jonathan Morgan: I'm not getting anything.
• 1:02:06
  Carrie Genzel: Strange.
• 1:02:08
  Jonathan Morgan: We'd normally get at least something.
• 1:02:10
  Morrighan Lynne: Are you afraid of the equipment? Is this are you afraid of this?
• 1:02:17
  Carrie Genzel: There's no static.
• 1:02:20
  Jonathan Morgan: What is all that? That something outside?
• 1:02:23
  Carrie Genzel: No.
• 1:02:24
  Morrighan Lynne: No. No, that's this. it's a rampi.
• 1:02:33
  Carrie Genzel: Is it the REM pod?
• 1:02:35
  Jonathan Morgan: I've never heard that sound before.
• 1:02:37
  Carrie Genzel: But there's no static.
• 1:02:39
  Morrighan Lynne: What the hell is happening? Is this part of the vortex? there is. Is this the vortex energy?
• 1:02:49
  Carrie Genzel: Yes
• 1:02:49
  Morrighan Lynne: Really strong.
• 1:02:51
  Carrie Genzel: It what's beeping? Is it that? Holy moly.
• 1:02:58
  Morrighan Lynne: That was weird. It was a weird energy too.
• 1:02:59
  Carrie Genzel: It's weird not to get anything through.
• 1:03:02
  Jonathan Morgan: Wait. Did it stop? Did it stop? It stopped sweeping.
• 1:03:06
  Carrie Genzel: It did? Does it do that?
• 1:03:09
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay, this whole thing just reset. That's weird. Alright, I'm gonna turn it off Mac on. The whole thing reset.
• 1:03:17
  Carrie Genzel: So it wasn't even sweeping?
• 1:03:20
  Jonathan Morgan: I'm gonna turn it off. Yeah, everything w when I'm when I just slid back, it reset. Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  Morrighan Lynne: That's a powerful vortex.
• 1:03:36
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, I've got to restart it all.
• 1:04:32
  Morrighan Lynne: Two for no. No, you're not David, but I heard a David. Is David in the room? This guy's going, are you is there a thing is there No
• 1:04:51
  Carrie Genzel: David left. He's in the vortex. That's
• 1:04:53
  Morrighan Lynne: He's like It's like one of the mail slot things.
• 1:04:57
  Carrie Genzel: the thing I think I feel like they feel like they come in and they get a little energy and then they zip off. Yeah. Yeah. Like they don't hang.
• 1:05:10
  Morrighan Lynne: This is like the watering hole, right? This is where everybody comes to feel better. So it's always it's always changing.
• 1:05:20
  Carrie Genzel: REM pod Yes.
• 1:05:23
  Jonathan Morgan: Yes.
• 1:05:27
  Morrighan Lynne: Does it tickle I lost them. They're
• 1:05:28
  Carrie Genzel: That's really interesting.
• 1:05:29
  Morrighan Lynne: f they just come in and out. So it's not a a hindrance or a danger to the family.
• 1:05:36
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. It almost feels like, you know, knowing that this is here, it's like this would be a great s to b space to make a creative space or you know, 'cause it you might be very inspired in this room. Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Morrighan Lynne: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:50
  Jonathan Morgan: Okay.
• 1:05:54
  Carrie Genzel: What why is it quiet again?
• 1:06:01
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah, it's been acting weird lately.
• 1:06:04
  Morrighan Lynne: Everything has everything.
• 1:06:07
  Carrie Genzel: The whole street. It's the it's whole street. Well, it's the whole area. Yeah. This whole historic district downtown. There's so much activity.
• 1:06:17
  Jonathan Morgan: 'Cause normally I we we'd be getting just a few voices. Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Carrie Genzel: A ton Yeah. Usually we get a lot of stuff through there. Mm-hmm. And it's been on now for a while. We always get voices. Right. But I think that, you know, the spirits that are in the room, they don't stay long. They come get what they need and they take off. They're not like hanging out like what are you doing? They don't care. They don't
• 1:06:40
  Morrighan Lynne: They're like sh like an elf. It's sucky.
• 1:06:53
  Carrie Genzel: There were like a couple voices I heard like in the background, but it was almost like you know they were passing through in the background, like, then they're like
• 1:07:05
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah. How we feelin? A little bit longer here.
• 1:07:10
  Morrighan Lynne: I I feel like we're complete. Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Carrie Genzel: Do you feel like we need to kind of do a walk around the house and just kind of clear?
• 1:07:17
  Morrighan Lynne: No, the house feels pretty clear. I'm just gonna check on the woman in a couple of days. Okay. Just to make sure. Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. Well that was like we just really stumbled on that because
• 1:07:31
  Morrighan Lynne: That was the purpose. That was the reason.
• 1:07:35
  Carrie Genzel: And it's important because there is a baby on the way in this home.
• 1:07:40
  Morrighan Lynne: And that's their bedroom. They
• 1:07:41
  Carrie Genzel: And that's their bedroom.
• 1:07:42
  Morrighan Lynne: have a child. Yes. And then a husband that can get a lot of that backlash energy for no reason.
• 1:07:50
  Carrie Genzel: And that's that's why we were here.
• 1:07:53
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Carrie Genzel: It's very interesting how and I say this all the time, like a lot of the spirits we encounter are living in their trauma.
• 1:08:08
  Jonathan Morgan: Right.
• 1:08:09
  Carrie Genzel: Right? We've encountered it before. 1842 Inn we encountered it. Hay House. gosh, you know, on Georgia Avenue. It's there's
• 1:08:20
  Morrighan Lynne: It's universal.
• 1:08:22
  Carrie Genzel: so much, right? It's like people in life don't let go of things and then they carry it. They drag it with them in the afterlife.
• 1:08:35
  Morrighan Lynne: Well I it's my theory that that is literally why there are hauntings. People don't stay on this side because they're at peace. They stay on this side of the veil because there's unfinished business, there's fear, there's regret, there's guilt, there's shame. That's all trauma. So there's hauntings specifically because of trauma. Right. Which is why I talk about how it's no different. Let it go. Well, whether they're alive or dead, I'm still working through the trauma because if we can get them to unlock their grip on why they think they deserve to be punished or why they wanna punish somebody, right? 'Cause that's all human emotional trauma. Yeah. If we can get them to unlock that and let it go, then the natural order is to cross over. To 'cause that is the natural order of things. And so if we can just get their story and get why they're still here. help them alleviate whatever that is, then the the flow takes them. Like that just naturally will go 'cause that is the way it's it's supposed to be.
• 1:09:38
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. Yeah, we've encountered a lot of different scenarios. And then you know, I think about Catherine at Rose Hill Cemetery who was looking for her friends and family. Right. Right? Who didn't want to leave and leave anyone behind, which was really beautiful. So there's a lot of different reasons why a spirit may be earthbound, or is that the right way to say? Yeah.
• 1:10:00
  Morrighan Lynne: Correct, yeah.
• 1:10:01
  Carrie Genzel: And then I think of Randall at the Grand who pops in and out. Right, because he is a guardian of space, right? So not everyone we encounter is stuck or confused. There's those that pop in and out and are like, Hey, I
• 1:10:17
  Jonathan Morgan: He has a purpose.
• 1:10:18
  Carrie Genzel: have a purpose. And I feel like with him too, he really wanted to tell the the whole story of what happened.
• 1:10:25
  Morrighan Lynne: Right. That was his trauma. He didn't want to be remembered that way. Yeah. So even though he has a different way that he moves through the building, it's still regret and trauma based. So if that's the whole thing about being storytellers is you tell their stories. They feel seen, they feel validated, they feel at peace.
• 1:10:45
  Carrie Genzel: Well that's what I was gonna say. I think that there's and there's definitely more stories that we're going to look into that are not told correctly. REM pod, maybe somebody here now. That
• 1:11:00
  Morrighan Lynne: Right here.
• 1:11:01
  Carrie Genzel: are not told correctly and they wanna be remembered or they don't wanna be forgotten. I think about the hay ho not The Hay House The Big House and how the girl we encountered talked about how her story got buried underneath the rock and roll history and you know wanted to share her story. So there's that too. It is about honoring those who came before us. Yeah. Seeing if there's anything they need. and seeing if their story was told correctly or is being told correctly because there's a lot over the years, right? It chang it changes, people forget and they embellish or make up the stuff they forgot. Exactly. And for the spirit it may be very important to them to have the truth be
• 1:11:50
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 1:11:51
  Carrie Genzel: and the validation. And the acknowledgement. Right. Yeah. I was thinking about how we've encountered several spirits in our investigations who have worked in these big homes and how The name that you get isn't their given name, that it was the name the family gave them and how even when we ask them to identify themselves, they don't actually give us their name. And to me that's sort of heartbreaking because it's like their individuality has been stripped away and then they just took on this other name. So it's interesting to look back in history and encounter people in different timelines. We come in with them with respect, no matter who we encounter, right? And but that wasn't afforded to a lot of the people that we encounter. True. Depending on what timeline they're in. Right. That's true. And what their station was in life or who they were in this society. Mm-hmm. Right.
• 1:13:09
  Morrighan Lynne: Exactly.
• 1:13:11
  Carrie Genzel: So I love that. I love that we're ending with a the fountain of energy. I feel like I need to dive in.
• 1:13:19
  Jonathan Morgan: And I'll drink it.
• 1:13:20
  Morrighan Lynne: Let me have some. Even just a
• 1:13:22
  Carrie Genzel: Ha ha.
• 1:13:23
  Morrighan Lynne: little splash black.
• 1:13:26
  Carrie Genzel: I get can I order one of these for my office? Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  Jonathan Morgan: Very nice.
• 1:13:37
  Carrie Genzel: Every single one of these is so different. And I always like look forward to like walking in and having that fresh space. And being like, I don't know what we're gonna encounter. We've had s such a variety of things. Yeah. and people and different reasons why they're there. So today it felt like we were definitely being of service to the family, and that's important. And Hopefully we've like Lightened up that space. Right. Yeah. And
• 1:14:13
  Jonathan Morgan: Yeah.
• 1:14:14
  Carrie Genzel: done what's right for the spirit too, because she shouldn't be living in anger and trauma.
• 1:14:21
  Morrighan Lynne: She needed to move on. Yeah. It's always nice when they go on their own volition but it this is not their plane of existence. So technically they are guests. We just have to get them to get that. And if they don't wanna go but they're they pose a threat or a danger to the living, we we have to remove them because it's it's not healthy for anybody. Right. And so I don't like doing it like that. Very rarely do I have to force them to leave, but when it's a danger, when it's not healthy. 'Cause she could have drained the family or leached onto the mom or or un inappropriately leached on to the infant. So it's just not it's not a good setup.
• 1:15:09
  Carrie Genzel: Right.
• 1:15:10
  Morrighan Lynne: It's appropriate to lovingly force her to leave.
• 1:15:14
  Carrie Genzel: Well she had, you know, the trifecta leading her leading her down the right path. So she had a great send off.
• 1:15:23
  Morrighan Lynne: Had the best, the best of the best. No offense to the other guys. That's right.
• 1:15:27
  Carrie Genzel: That's right. But she had a first class escort. That's right. Three. Yeah,
• 1:15:32
  Morrighan Lynne: I mean what what else is there?
• 1:15:34
  Carrie Genzel: to take her home. So she went first class all the way.
• 1:15:39
  Carrie Genzel: Sometimes the reason we're called to a place isn't the reason we're meant to be there. As one family prepared to welcome a baby boy into the world, we encountered a woman who had lost her life giving birth. Not knowing she had passed, she was still searching for her son. If our team was able to help bring understanding, And reunite a mother with the children she'd been searching for, then perhaps, as Morrighan said, that was the true purpose of our visit. Our intention is always to lead with service to the living and to the dead. And on this day, I believe we were able to do both. If you've had an unexplained experience or would like to request an investigation, visit EchoesOfTheSouth.com Join us as we continue uncovering the stories, the history, and the mysteries that echo throughout the South. Until next time, stay close.
• 1:17:01
  Carrie Genzel: Hey guys, how are you?
• 1:17:03
  Morrighan Lynne: Woohoo, so excited to be here.
• 1:17:04
  Jonathan: No, don't write. Yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Carrie Genzel: Well, I'm excited to dive into this Echoes Explained because I think there's a few things we can explain. I'm gonna start off with tangerine and I'm gonna throw this one to Morrighan So explain to everyone why the word tangerine and and why we use that when we're investigating.
• 1:17:25
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah. This comes from way back in the day when my friends and I would get together and we would channel. And in one particular session, I made the mistake of asking the spirit that was in my friend, hey, how long have you been dead or when did you die or something like that? And then quickly realized that he didn't know he was dead. And so he flipped out And then I, as soon as that session was over, we came up with a safe word. And we wanted to pick a word that was benign but still common enough to where we would understand if we were saying it. And so Tangerine was born. And that's our way of just letting the crew know: hey, I think we're talking to somebody that maybe. They don't know they've died. And so let's watch what we say. Let's watch, you know, the questions that we ask. a lot of the reason just for kindness so that we're not throwing them into a shocking moment of awareness.
• 1:18:25
  Carrie Genzel: it's something that we're very conscious of and it's something that does come up for us in investigations that we do that sometimes they're not aware.
• 1:18:33
  Morrighan Lynne: there there gets to be some compassion about that process for me. So that's why, that's why I approach it like that.
• 1:18:39
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah. Well I I think that it it's a really gentle way to communicate between all of us so we know not to say anything and to and so we immediately
• 1:18:48
  Morrighan Lynne: Exactly.
• 1:18:50
  Carrie Genzel: switch gears to talking always in the in like the present tense, right? So we're not saying
• 1:18:55
  Morrighan Lynne: Exactly.
• 1:18:56
  Carrie Genzel: anything that might be confusing for them. Jon I want to jump into the XLS video that
• 1:19:01
  Jonathan: Mm.
• 1:19:01
  Carrie Genzel: you sent. And I always get excited when I get a text message from Jon that says, I have an orb video you're going to be really excited about.
• 1:19:09
  Jonathan: I I you know, and moments like like this is makes it all worth it because you know, you if you look at the entire file, it's like there's about two hours worth of footage. Thankfully, this happens within like the first five minutes. And I'm like, Yes, but I
• 1:19:26
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Jonathan: still have to review the other like, you know, hour and fifty minutes worth.
• 1:19:30
  Morrighan Lynne: Two hours then.
• 1:19:32
  Jonathan: So
• 1:19:31
  Carrie Genzel: That's right. What if it comes back?
• 1:19:33
  Jonathan: right, right,
• 1:19:33
  Morrighan Lynne: Just in case.
• 1:19:34
  Jonathan: right. So yeah, Course, I I use the XLS, which is the 3D imaging mapping camera. it also has four microphones to pick up like sound, so it's almost it's usually like a sonar type mapping in 2D, infrared, 3D. the beautiful thing about the X with the LS. you can actually move it around and take a look at it. I can screen share and show. Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah, please do. Yeah, let's get into it.
• 1:20:09
  Jonathan: we're first we're gonna look right here. the this is raw video straight from the device, everything's flipped. So this bedroom here is the main bedroom that we talked to the lady that had the child. So this is that bedroom So we're just gonna watch here and I'll pause it once I see it. And the first one goes by really fast. So we'll just pop this, boom, right there. Super fast, a little tiny, but you can see right here, it's it's already looking different than other orbs that I've seen. It has like a a round smoothness to it, which is interesting. now I'm gonna let it keep advancing a little bit more. We're looking at here. And then we're gonna look over here because you're gonna see it travel. And keeping in mind There's a distance of this bedroom door is behind like about five feet. So let me pop this real quick here and we're watching. Boom. So see, we're looking at here, and now it's bigger. So it's going
• 1:21:31
  Carrie Genzel: Yeah.
• 1:21:31
  Jonathan: from this distance and like toward the camera. And and it still has that smooth round area, that roundness to it. But you can see it looks bigger because it's closer to the camera. That's telling me it's the same freaking orb. so this is the 2D infrared. Fascinating. But wait, there's more. Let's look at
• 1:21:56
  Morrighan Lynne: No
• 1:21:57
  Jonathan: the 3D.
• 1:21:57
  Carrie Genzel: There's always more.
• 1:21:59
  Jonathan: It's always more.
• 1:21:59
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, such a dork.
• 1:22:01
  Jonathan: So if I go to this image, here's the couch. You can already see that dark image here. That's the the bedroom here. So I'm just gonna zoom, zoom, zoom. spin it around i expected it to be by the couch but it's in the wall and it came from the bedroom th this direction and then forward into the camera. So I think it went into the wall and now it's coming out of the wall.
• 1:22:34
  Carrie Genzel: I see.
• 1:22:36
  Jonathan: That's yeah, that's what it looks like.
• 1:22:39
  Carrie Genzel: Interesting.
• 1:22:41
  Jonathan: If I just zoom back out here, you'll see, see, here's the couch. It's back here on the wall. We went down the hallway. Y'all went down the stairs and I took my XLS and I just put it on the shelf, left it turned on. So that's eight, ten minutes afterwards where it comes out of the bedroom.
• 1:22:59
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, that feels about right. Cause remember when we
• 1:23:02
  Carrie Genzel: Well they
• 1:23:03
  Morrighan Lynne: finished and we and we were debriefing with the owner, I said, Well, I'm gonna check in in a couple of days just to make sure and I did and she ever you know, she was clear, but I just don't think that she left right in the that second. I think she needed a minute just to get herself together and be brave and do the thing that was scaring her to do for whatever reason.
• 1:23:27
  Carrie Genzel: Right. And we talked about that because we went well, she had a lot of discovery that day in a very short period of time. You know, there was a lot of things that she had to kind of come to grips with. it wasn't just one thing. So
• 1:23:39
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Carrie Genzel: yeah, I can understand that that that would take a moment. And, you know, maybe us leaving was kind of like, okay, they've left and I guess I gotta deal with this.
• 1:23:55
  Morrighan Lynne: Yeah, 'cause the angels were still there. I didn't they didn't leave. So I kinda knew they were all in the space when we walked back downstairs. Yeah.
• 1:24:04
  Jonathan: Yeah.
• 1:24:05
  Carrie Genzel: Well, thank you for breaking all this down. I think it's really fascinating. And I look forward to doing more of these during, you know, the series when we have evidence we want to dive into, or maybe we're discuss we discussed something that's a little out of the ordinary. I'm sure we'll have a lot more of these conversations.