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Chad Davidson: Wrestling With Discipleship · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Fierazzo.
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Hey friends, thank you so much for tuning in.
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God bless you.
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We appreciate you always sharing the podcast, have another brother back with us again.
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I love this ministry, GoodFight.org, GoodFight Ministries, and based on a Seamy Valley, California
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Pastor Joe Shimmel and Chad Davison, we're bringing on Chad again.
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He's an elder and a youth pastor at Blessed Hope Chapel in Seamy Valley.
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He's also the host of The Good Fight Radio Show and 5-Eleven News.
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Both shows discuss contemporary issues and pop culture in light of the Bible.
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And he's an author of the brand new book, Wrestling with Discipleship.
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And that's why we brought him on today on World View Matters, Chad Davison.
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Welcome.
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Good to see you again, brother.
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Hey.
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Thank you so much, bro.
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And I saw you just had your 100th episode.
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So congratulations to that.
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Yeah.
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It's amazing.
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It's what a blessing.
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It's, you know, little landmarks, right?
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Little accomplishments.
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But so you came out with this book.
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The last time you were on, we teased it because it was about to come out maybe, you know,
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a few weeks from when we did that show.
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But now we get to really dig into the topic.
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And I got a few questions about a few of the chapters.
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But before we go there, and there's the book, by the way, Chad, I know you can go to
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goodfight.org and there's a link right on the homepage.
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But there's a website.
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Is it wrestling with discipleship.org?
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Is there its own dedicated website too?
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You got it.
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Like you just said, wrestling with discipleship.org, yes, we have our own website and you can go
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to there and check it out.
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I'll be updating that as well, putting different devotionals on there as well.
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But yes, we have our own website.
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Good.
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So thank you for writing it.
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I plugged it because it is an important topic that's, as I said, isn't neglected.
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And yeah, we've, we've got to work a little bit harder at that, especially youth to disciple
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the youth in the church.
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So Chad, before we do anything else, we, this where are we now, we're in March.
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We had a Super Bowl again, early February or whenever.
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And Christians are often concerned about not only the commercials and the Woke NFL, but
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the half time entertainment.
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The shows are often sexualized.
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They're often demonic sometimes openly, worshiping Satan and all these symbolic images.
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This one, I don't remember if it was, I don't know a lot about usher.
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You guys did a video expose.
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Can you break that down in the bullet points on that and what were your concerns and what
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did you share on this?
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Yeah, I think one of the biggest things and we actually did multiple episodes on it.
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And one of it had to do with the devil's disciples because a lot of what was going on
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there, you know, obviously there was, you know, some symbolism, some sexual nature in
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the lyrics and all of that stuff going on.
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Plus he was, you know, grinding up and down with a married woman, but nonetheless, if
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that wasn't enough for you, one of the things that was really sad is to just look back
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in Usher's history and to see somewhat of the grooming that had happened when his mom
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handed, even in custody over to P Diddy and in handing him over to P Diddy to kind of
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disciple him and to give him, you know, all the stardom and so forth.
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It was sad not only for Usher, but we showed this is exactly what happened with Justin
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Bieber as well.
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And what's interesting is when Usher was no longer kind of under his hand and, you know,
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Usher had talked about like the wild and crazy parties, especially considering how young
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Usher was even at age 14 at these wild and crazy parties and they were like, oh, yeah,
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it was crazy.
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And he was on Howard Stern talking about it.
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And then when they asked, well, would you allow your child to go there?
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He's like, no, no, I can't even say what he said, but he said, no, I would never let
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my child go near, you know, P Diddy and one of his parties.
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And it's sad because Mark Curry, who worked alongside P Diddy, talked about the voodoo
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that he would do over these albums and some of the stuff they'd get involved in.
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And it's no, it's no question.
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I mean, you're looking at a bunch of songs that are talking about sleeping with other
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people that are not, not your wife and everyone's having this nostalgic moment where they're
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remembering their songs and their dances, which, you know, I mean, I'm in that era.
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That was my, you know, when I was in junior high and high school, I think every single
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prom or dance or anything, you danced at least to one or five, ten ushered songs, you
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know, and, and so a lot of people like my age of stuff watching were really nostalgic about
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it.
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But when you get down to the lyrics and you find out it's all about, you know, romping
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around, it's like, what are we doing here, guys?
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Gruming youth is what we're doing.
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And that's the message that's been selling through the music industry.
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Hello, we sold, they sold their souls for rock and roll.
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Pastor Joe Schimmel going back to the 60s, but I don't want to give it away, but I'm going
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to the end of the expose, Brock Purdy, kudos to this young man in the NFL who quarterbacks
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the San Francisco 49ers who was playing in the Super Bowl.
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I was, I'm not a 49ers fan, I can't stand much about San Francisco, but I was pulling
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for them because I wanted him to have the opportunity to hoist the Lombardi trophy and
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say, I give all glory and praise to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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They did not get that opportunity.
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It hasn't happened.
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I believe since 2016 from the Philadelphia Eagles, whose coach was a Christian, offensive
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coordinator was a Christian, starting quarterback, backup quarterback, tight end.
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They had just had a nucleus plus the team chaplain baptizing guys, you know, it was just
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an amazing year, very odd spiritually for that kind of revival to happen on an NFL team.
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You're thoughts about the difference in some, just some of the players Brock Purdy were
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talking about now and even, you know, what was going on the halftime show versus his testimony
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of being a sold out believer in Christ.
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Yeah, it was really, really encouraging and, you know, if it wasn't, you know, praise
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God that, as you mentioned in 2016, you know, that God was so glorified back then.
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I mean, I couldn't stand the Eagles, you know, with everything in it, but that was
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great.
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I was pulling for him.
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Yep.
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It makes you was pulling for him at that time, especially with all the voodoo going on
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from the witch known as Giselle Bunchen and so forth.
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It is interesting when we kind of look at it because you talk about Brock Purdy and his
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testimony and he just got married, by the way, you know, praise God for that as well and
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it was really encouraging to see him so openly talk about Jesus and really know the scriptures
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and, you know, bring about and talk about certain verses that you're like, man, this
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guy seems to actually dig and in, you know, it's, it's great.
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I love John 316 as much as the next guy, but it is really cool when, you know, he's quoting
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verses about picking up your cross and carrying it daily, those, you know, self denial verses
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that so many people want to shy away from and then, you know, sadly enough, you know,
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on, he has other teammates, you know, like, like George Kittle, who is a phenomenal athlete
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and amazing blocking tight end catching and so forth.
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But this guy is somebody who likes to practice manifestation.
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What people call the law of attraction and talk about that and it was almost a running
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joke.
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Even the NFL was putting out different videos that were kind of talking about, oh, look,
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they manifested this because they, he talked about it.
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You're going to score this touchdown and now they manifested it and it is just common
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to talk about it this way, not realizing really ultimately where the law of attraction
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comes from, Elaine Blavatsky and from Satanism and people are doing this and they really
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do believe they're manifesting their own reality rather than, you know, being under the
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sovereign will of God.
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Yeah.
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There have been a lot of people that have made that popular.
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Aaron Rodgers is absolutely and many others, if you've done exposés and stories on him,
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but let's get to the book now.
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Speaking of Brock Purdy and a young man who was, it seems like he was discipled in the
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right way.
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Nice segue.
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Huh?
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Let's talk about your book wrestling with discipleship.
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Chad, one of the chapters, first of all, the description of the book, it combines the physical
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discipline of wrestling and Chad is still a wrestling coach and the spiritual journey
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of discipleship.
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So before we dive into it, one of the chapters you share your testimony and without giving
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it away, Chad, what's one part of your testimony that maybe people might be surprised by when
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they read the book?
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Yeah, I think, you know, one of the big things was people finding out that, you know, I
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got in a major DUI hit and run, you know, prior to me coming to Christ and ultimately
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that that turned my heart away from God for quite a long time, actually, and what kind
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of took me over the edge at that time and what made me an atheist was actually at a church.
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I had shown up to a church because a friend invited me after a party at my house.
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And when I got there, a number of the people that were raising their hands at this church,
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not the current one I go to, but at this church that's locally here where I am, I realized
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I said, you know what, this whole thing is fake, you know, all the things that I was
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always the most popular kid and I always had the biggest parties and all this stuff going
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on.
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And then all of a sudden, now I got a DUI and I'm having to go to court and I'm doing
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all this.
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And then when someone tries to, you know, pull me out of that and be like, hey, maybe church
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of either right thing, then I see all these people that were partying with me.
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And I'm like, well, this stuff's fake.
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I don't believe this and never mind.
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I don't believe in God and I hate him.
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And that was ultimately what happened and how I became an atheist until, you know, God
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called me to himself using they sold their souls for rock and roll and the good person
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test prior to that.
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I like to say for those who know Ray Comfort's ministry, living waters that Ray planted
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the seed that Joe watered it and God caused the growth.
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But yeah, that was how I ended up coming to Christ.
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Praise God.
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So we're talking about the book wrestling with discipleship by Chad Davidson.
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And one of the sentences in the description talks about the book stands as a testament
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to the profound truth that anything we dedicate our minds to can become a vessel for spreading
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the gospel.
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In your life, Chad, that's wrestling.
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You've been a wrestling coach.
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You were a wrestling coach before BC before Christ before your believer.
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And now you're using that and you tie in a lot of that experience with scripture and
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discipleship.
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So share that part of the journey.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And one of the things for me was when I came to Christ, I didn't know this was sharing
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the gospel, right?
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I remember somebody's like, Hey, we're going to go out and share the gospel.
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But for me, it was like, I am a bigger who found bread and I'm showing everyone else
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where the bread is.
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That's all I knew.
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And so what, who would I talk to the most?
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The one thing is is people don't realize how interactive wrestling is or just coaching
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any sport really with your athletes.
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And for wrestling, you're five days a week together and a lot of times, six days a week
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because of wrestling tournaments on Saturdays and so forth.
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So if I'm going to have hours and hours each and every day, I spend more time.
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And I just finished wrestling season this year as a head coach.
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I spend more time and the parents will tell you this by far more time with their children
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than any of their parents, just because not much they're at school.
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I coach at a secular high school, just because how much were at practice for three to four
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hours every day together working on things.
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So if I am going to have that sort of access to people, guess what, they're going to hear
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about my testimony.
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They're going to hear about the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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And that's not just for wrestling.
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I didn't write this book only for wrestlers.
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It's just, this is just happens to be the way that God has used me in sharing the gospel
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and a number of my wrestlers over the years have come to Christ or maybe have had their,
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you know, walks edified.
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And so I get to come to church every Sunday with a number of wrestlers sitting all around
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me because they, they recognize the truth of the gospel.
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They know I care about them and I'm with them all the time.
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So whatever somebody has, using all the might that the Lord has given you to bring forth
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the gospel, I, I hope it's a lesson in that for everybody.
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Yes, you used a word that's always been very sobering when the context is children and
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that is access.
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There are people in this country purposely who do not have a biblical worldview that
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want to access young children and make social justice disciples or disciples of the left
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or take them down that path of whatever it might be, drugs, the law of attraction, the
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LGBTQ social justice, whatever it is.
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So Chad, what you said, I got this vision of the small number of teachers or coaches
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that probably do what you do and praise God, but it really is sobering when you think
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of the odds that are against most kids hearing anything to do with the biblical worldview
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let alone the gospel in sports or in the public schools.
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You're quick thoughts before we take a break.
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Yeah, I couldn't agree more and that actually happened and I realized exactly what you're
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saying.
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My first year coaching as a believer when someone came and after, after practice, we're
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just talking and he said, yeah, plan parenthood came and they told us we don't make any money
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off of abortions.
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All of our money comes from other things and I thought, oh, you've been lied to and propagandist
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have been brought into the school and I realized, wow, how quickly this can happen.
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And by the way, they make over a billion in revenue plan parenthood does and I think it's
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over $535, $540 million that they make through taxpayer funding and the Biden administration
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gave plan parenthood a raise.
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So don't believe that, life, friends, where with Chad Davidson, the book is called wrestling
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with discipleship will be right back on World View Matters.
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Chad Davidson, you're one of my favorite.
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I can call you young because I'm a bit older than you.
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Young truth, proclaimers and defenders.
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I wanted to ask you about your book, a general question.
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The new book explains why discipleship is one of the most misunderstood ministries in
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the church.
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A question that is natural, at least in my mind, that you might not be able to cover entirely
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in the book, since it is quite misunderstood discipleship in the American church, what's
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part of the answer?
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I know you go through some of the nuts and bolts of discipleship, but what's part of
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the solution to that misunderstanding of discipleship in the church?
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Yeah, I think this is such an important topic to discuss.
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I think it is the topic to discuss.
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Jesus said, go forth and make disciples teaching them all that I have taught to you.
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The reason why I think this gets really, I guess I would say like for a lot of churches,
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one, it's sad that it's not more of a focus that it isn't like, hey, this should be the
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marquee focus.
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If these were the last words that Jesus gave as disciples at the end of Matthew, chapter
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28, we should probably have a big focus on this.
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And what I've noticed is that I've watched video after video.
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Obviously, I did a lot of research for the book, you know, reading through different books
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on discipleship and what people think it means.
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And one of the biggest things is there was this common saying specifically around the
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time of Jesus, even in some of the Talmudic literature and so forth, that talked about
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getting dusty with that person who was discipling you, that you would be so close to them that
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you would actually be getting dusty from them.
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And that one stuck out to me because for me personally, when I was discipled by Pastor
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Joe, who you mentioned, I got dusty from him.
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Like I was around him and I got to know him.
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And I think that so many people, even in ministry, are a little nervous to have people around
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them and to see them and to see their warts and so forth.
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And for me, I've always discipled people with my children, my wife right around me because
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they're going to see me, not my Instagram pictures that I post, but they're going to
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see me.
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And when Jesus was discipling his disciples, you saw that, you saw the warts of Peter.
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That's one of the things that's great when you read the scriptures.
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We get to see the the bruises, the cuts and the warts from our greatest heroes, whether
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it's King David, whether it's Abraham, you know, whether it is Peter himself over and
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over again, we actually get to see when miscusive happened.
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And I think that's really important.
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It's different because Jesus never sent, but for other people to realize that it's not
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just teaching, but you know, the kind of working definition that I give in the book for
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discipleship is living and learning from those who love Jesus.
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It is really, I believe that simple and profound at the same time.
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And you know, in the book, I go over a method that the Jewish people in the time of Jesus
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in a method of teaching that they did because what happened was right before you, well,
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not just right before Jesus, but prior to the time of Jesus, Alexander the Great had
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conquered most of the known world.
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And guess what happened?
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The Jews didn't want their children to become Greeks.
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And so what they did is they formed a three prong education system that they would literally
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train them as little children to know the Torah, then train them to know the teachings
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and then train them to be discipled.
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So they were doing something in order that their children would not become Greek, would
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not would not all of a sudden start following these Greek gods and so forth.
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And so I think it's sad because we send off our kids to Caesar.
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We don't expect them to come back as Romans and it is a danger.
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And I'm like, man, we need to get them fully understanding the word of God.
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My children do Christian, Christian classical education.
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My kids, when I was leaving the house today with my wife and my children, they were in
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their one hour of Bible reading before they even start their schooling at 8 a.m.
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And I'm like, you know, more people need to understand we establish these children in
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the word of God.
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And that's what the three prong system did for those in the time of Jesus and prior to
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and really after that establishing the teachings.
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And also guys being real with people and and really discipling them as them as a part
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of your day to day life and not just a video that somebody may watch.
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So discipleship, what you would call it a discipline, right?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, we don't struggle with like you're wrestling with discipleship.
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I like that.
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We don't wrestle with God's favor.
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We don't wrestle with his mercies that are new every morning.
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We don't wrestle with the hope, the blessed hope that we have.
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We have to look forward to but things like discipleship sanctification and other things.
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We can wrestle and we need to one of your chapters is called Embrace the Grind.
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I love that Pastor Joe Shimmel contributed one chapter to the book and chapter one starts
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off.
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The Bible says imitate God.
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Therefore I wrestle.
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So Chad, open that up for us a little bit more.
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Yeah, I'd love to.
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You know, that was actually something I had thought about a long time ago and I tell
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this in the in the book, but the night I gave my life to Christ, I remember coming home
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and googling at the time, like wrestling in the Bible, because I knew it was there.
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I just didn't know where it was and that's you know, I hadn't read the Bible or anything,
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but I was like, I just gave my life to Christ.
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I know I'm going to read the Bible, I want to read about this.
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And then when I read a Jacob story, and I was like, wow, he even says I saw God face
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to face and face to face and yet live.
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But then digging deep into his story, seeing how mischievous he was prior to wrestling with
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God and how he would call God over and over again, the God of Abraham, the God of his father.
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It is not until Jacob wrestles with God is given the name Israel that he actually refers
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to God.
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In the chapter, in chapter one, in verse 20, it's the first time he actually refers to
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God as his God and it's when the mischievous nature kind of stops and that's when he goes
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before Esau and comes to him thinking, my brother's going to kill me, but I got to go to him
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anyways, but you kind of see that after he had wrestled with God and said, no, I am not letting go.
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I want to get this blessing from you.
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It was when he came into that intimacy with the Lord that things started changing.
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He wasn't just the God of Abraham and Isaac and his forefathers, but he was the God of Israel.
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Now he was the God of Jacob and for us as well, we, we need that and we do not.
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It's very clear.
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It's not just a flesh and blood battle, Ephesians 6, 12.
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We wrestle not simply against flesh and blood.
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There are Prince of power.
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There's powers.
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There's rulers and the darkness in high places.
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So if we are going to be believers, we're going to be wrestling and the first thing
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that I want people to know and it's funny.
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You mentioned embrace the grind and in light of that, that chapter because embrace the grind
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is a wrestling saying there's there's sweaters with it on there and and everyone knows like you
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just got to embrace the grind like it's going to be really hard.
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You know, it's two people meeting in a mat and you got to train and you got to wake up and
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and get your runs in early and you got to lift your weights and you got to wrestle and you got to do
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acrobatic stuff and everyone knows you got to embrace the grind but that's also true in our
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walks with Christ.
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You know, we have to pick up our cross and carry it daily, not just one.
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We have to continue in that and for people to understand that if we if we are really wrestling
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like this, we need to know that it is not going to be easy.
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We need to recognize beyond a shadow of a doubt that we need to sit down and count the cost
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to see if we have enough to finish the job because that's what Jesus said.
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Those are not my words.
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Those are the words of Jesus.
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And so we need to actually take this seriously.
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We got to wake up and embrace the grind and we got to know our enemy as well.
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And if we are sitting there not recognizing we are in a spiritual battle, not recognizing that
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we really do need to wrestle, then we're not going to embrace the grind.
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We're not going to put our best foot forward and guess what, we're going to end up losing.
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So Chad, you mentioned knowing our enemy as well.
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And chapter nine is knowing your enemy in the context of discipleship.
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So I know we just have like three minutes left.
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Just give us a few bullet point teasers on that one.
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Yeah, no problem.
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And one of the things I love, I love telling stories.
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I guess it's that, you know, if you're you do any youth pastoral ministry,
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you got to tell stories.
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You got to get these guys knowing what's up.
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But one of the things we talk about football in there actually.
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And knowing your enemy, John Lynch played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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He's now a part of the 49ers organization.
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But one of the things that happened with John Lynch was his coach, John Grootan,
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was the coach of the Raiders the previous year.
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And he knew the playbook so well that he acted like he was the quarterback, the whole practice.
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And the Tampa Bay Buccaneers routed the Raiders because they knew every play that was coming.
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And John Lynch, this is crazy.
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We know everything that's coming.
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And I try to make the point in the book as the fact that if you don't warn somebody
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you're discipling or if you're not recognizing this just as a personal level of discipleship,
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that God has given us the playbook of the enemy.
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He's shown us exactly how he works, how he's going to attack us.
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Imagine if John Lynch was like, you know what coach, I don't really need any of that information.
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I'm just going to go figure it out as I go along.
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And he goes, I didn't do all this work for nothing.
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I'm giving you this because I know how the enemy is going to attack.
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Guess what? We'd all be like, John Lynch probably needs to get out of there.
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Go get someone else in there.
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And we don't want God to see that about us.
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And so we want to make sure we're ready.
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We know what the enemy looks like.
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And we're ready for his attack because God has given us the playbook.
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Amen, brother, in our enemy prowls around like a roaring lion,
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seeking whom he might devour.
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And he's the father of lies.
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He comes just kill, steal, and destroy.
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There's a lot we can know about the enemy.
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But brother, thank you.
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The website is wrestling with discipleship.org.
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You can also go to goodfight.org friends and get it that way.
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Brother, we wish you good success on the book.
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I am just so thankful for your voice and who you're reaching.
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You're reaching people that I could never reach.
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And Kudos, brother, continued blessings on your wrestling as far as the coach,
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but also your discipleship.
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And you're just how you're raising your family too.
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That's a good example for those that are listening
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or younger parents that are going, yeah, that's good reminders.
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So Chad, brother, thank you so much.
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See you next time.
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Thank you so much for having me, brother.
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All right.
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Guys, thank you again.
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I go to goodfight.org.
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A great website.
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A lot of resources on there as well.
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But I appreciate you sharing the podcast.
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God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things.