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Ep. 102 : Deadline Roundup & July POTM PC · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode one oh two of
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  Speaker 1: Cards and Categories. I'm Mike Coolard from rass Ball. Joined
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  Speaker 1: is always my buying very good friend. Jeremy Burer, also
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  Speaker 1: from Rasball. How are you doing tonight, buddy? Is there
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  Speaker 1: a head still spinning from that trade deadline?
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  Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's It was a fantastic trade deadline. How
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  Speaker 2: about you felt like things were flying, mostly relievers, but
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  Speaker 2: it was. It was a grand old time. I love
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  Speaker 2: the trade deadline. I did get a chance to do
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  Speaker 2: it this year, but in the past I've actually taken
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  Speaker 2: off work just to sit there and watch them ob network, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: just just just for fun and just scroll on Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: Blue Sky, whatever it is and just enjoy the massive
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  Speaker 2: rampant rumors that never come to fruition. But it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a good time. I'm glad we got to
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  Speaker 2: chat about it last week and and him it was
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  Speaker 2: the gift that keeps on giving. We got more of
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  Speaker 2: this week.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's I mean we were recording right
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of some of it last week, So
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  Speaker 1: if you do go back to episode one on one,
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  Speaker 1: you'll kind of notice where the break was in terms
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  Speaker 1: of where the trades happened because we like broke the
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  Speaker 1: Michael Soroka trade to the Nats, but we had gotten
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  Speaker 1: the recording done before au Heenio Suarez went back to
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  Speaker 1: the MS, So we're gonna kind of tee this up.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about this week in
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  Speaker 1: terms of one the trade deadline fallout. Two Baseball still happened,
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  Speaker 1: so we still had our normal kind of machinations of
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  Speaker 1: trades and injuries and call ups and downs and all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of stuff going on there. And then it's also
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  Speaker 1: the first week of the month and here in August.
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  Speaker 1: As we're recording on August sixth, that means we have
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  Speaker 1: Player of the Month to cover from July. So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do a little bit of like our typical three
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  Speaker 1: act play that we revived in episode one hundred there
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  Speaker 1: and it's coming back, so if you really enjoy it,
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  Speaker 1: one oh two here I think is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a special treat because we're going to break it down
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  Speaker 1: first with some risers and followers from the fantasy perspective
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  Speaker 1: from the deadline, get into the news and notes, and
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  Speaker 1: then get into that Player of the Month PC. So
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  Speaker 1: let's just dive right into it on the trade deadline, because,
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  Speaker 1: as you alluded to, it was a very very chaotic deadline.
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  Speaker 1: I think the guys at Suspectus Barbecue tracked it as
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  Speaker 1: one of the heaviest, if not the heaviest trade deadlines
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  Speaker 1: of all time. And that's not even like factoring in
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  Speaker 1: we had Rafael Devers dealt you a month before this deadline,
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  Speaker 1: who would have been easily the biggest person to move
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  Speaker 1: at the deadline this year. It looks like it was
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  Speaker 1: somewhere around like fifty ish trades in the last thirty
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  Speaker 1: one hours, So we're not going to cover all of them.
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  Speaker 1: I figured what we'd do is we would hit the
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  Speaker 1: big ones, the just like Star Impact ones, and then
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  Speaker 1: go through some risers and followers in general from Fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're also looking for some of this coverage,
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  Speaker 1: I know you wrote about it a little bit this
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  Speaker 1: last weekend at Rasball. I did too at Rasball, So
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  Speaker 1: certainly go over there check out our articles that have
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  Speaker 1: run there. But there's just more info that's even come
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  Speaker 1: out since we had our post go up on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: and Sunday. In terms of watching these teams actually deploy
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  Speaker 1: their new rosters out on the field, So we've got
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  Speaker 1: a little more information to work off of, but like
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  Speaker 1: I said, let's dive into some of these specific trades first.
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  Speaker 1: So the biggest blockbuster I think we had of the
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  Speaker 1: day was pretty late during the trade deadline, Carlos Korea
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  Speaker 1: moving from the Minnesota Twins back to the Houston Astros.
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  Speaker 1: It has been an injury riddled season for Carlos Korea,
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  Speaker 1: but just a fascinating story in terms of he was
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  Speaker 1: part of that trash can banging scheme along with Josel Tuvey,
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  Speaker 1: really just about the only guys left with maybe a
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  Speaker 1: little bit your Don Alvarez mixed in there, left from
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  Speaker 1: that team. He was also kind of one of the
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  Speaker 1: leaders in terms of just standing up to the media
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  Speaker 1: presence and pressure posts trash can banging banging scheme fallout.
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  Speaker 1: But what do you see for Korea here going to Houston.
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  Speaker 1: He is filling in at third base now the Estoch
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  Speaker 1: Preydas is officially out for the rest of the regular
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  Speaker 1: season with the torn hamstring, but first time he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be manning the hot corner as he is deferring
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  Speaker 1: to Jeremy Penias still a shirt stop. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that Korea could find some new life again rejoining the
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  Speaker 1: Houston Astros. Yeah, I mean, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think that there's anything beyond adding third base eligibility
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  Speaker 2: that like gives like statistically says we should see a
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  Speaker 2: big boost for him. The power is not really what
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  Speaker 2: it once was. He's just, I would say, a slightly
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  Speaker 2: above average hitter at this point in time, like if
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  Speaker 2: you look at overall season ninety eight WRC plus. I
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  Speaker 2: think the bigger thing just is the mental aspect. You're
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  Speaker 2: you're moving from the Twins to the only team that
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  Speaker 2: he said he was willing to be moved to and
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  Speaker 2: waive his note trade clause, which is basically kind of
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  Speaker 2: going back home quote unquote to the Astros. And so
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit more intangible assessment here
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  Speaker 2: that I wouldn't be shocked to see him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pick things up a little bit just because he's somewherehere,
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  Speaker 2: he's comfortable with someone where he's been successful, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of getting the band back together to a degree,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think that he might see a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of pick me up from that. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that there's anything necessarily with the ballpark, which is
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  Speaker 2: a better ballpark in general hit him, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's anything substantial where I'm shooting him away at
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  Speaker 2: my rankings. But like I usually trades, I go the
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  Speaker 2: other way. Like when a guy trades, like that's usually
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  Speaker 2: time to move him, because like people are like all
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  Speaker 2: excited about him.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of the ones.
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  Speaker 2: Where I'm like, I actually think he could get a
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  Speaker 2: little intrinsic value just from being back in Houston, and
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  Speaker 2: he might get going a little bit of hot streak here.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm a little bit more excited about Carlos Korea.
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  Speaker 2: It's not saying much because I wasn't terribly excited in
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  Speaker 2: the first place, but I think this is really interesting
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  Speaker 2: to see him go back and at the third base eligibility,
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  Speaker 2: I think is a really great perk for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fantasy owners.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I honestly like it makes me
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  Speaker 1: a little fascinated with him from a dynasty perspective, because
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  Speaker 1: if he can get back to a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: that groove where he used to have, you know something
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  Speaker 1: in the the mid ish twenty homers, you know, eighty
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  Speaker 1: runs eighty RBI with a two seventy average. He wasn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily ever reaching those Apexes with Minnesota. I think also
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  Speaker 1: partly just because it plays cold at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the end of the season. No Crawford boxes, no familiarity.
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  Speaker 1: He's already been pretty hot there. In terms of today,
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  Speaker 1: roped two doubles against the Red Sox, has already popped
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  Speaker 1: a homer, So we could see a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a renaissance for college Korea only thirty years old.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you forget how young Korea is because he's been
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  Speaker 2: around so so long. So yeah, I'm there with you.
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  Speaker 2: There's a little there's a little bit of hope and
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  Speaker 2: silver lining in this one, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the next biggest one was another return we had
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  Speaker 1: in terms of third baseman au Heneo Suarez going from
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  Speaker 1: the Dbacks back to this Seattle Mariners in exchange for
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Locklear and a couple other pieces. We're gonna focus
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  Speaker 1: here on Suarez, who I mean, it was an incredible
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  Speaker 1: season before he left Arizona. Thirty six bombs, eighty six
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven RBI over one hundred and six games with
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  Speaker 1: a two forty eight average. He is going to settle
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  Speaker 1: right into the middle of that Mariners lineup. But we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get into our risers and followers a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't great. He was not fantastic when he was
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  Speaker 1: there in Seattle over two years in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, hit two, thirty four three, twenty seven,
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  Speaker 1: four to twenty three slash line over two years. It's
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  Speaker 1: a one eighteen WRC plus fifty three homers over this
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  Speaker 1: two years, and now he's up to thirty seven this year,
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  Speaker 1: so he can kind of see how that all went.
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  Speaker 1: Also a little bit odd that the reason he ended
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  Speaker 1: up in Arizona was a Seattle was dumping the salary
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  Speaker 1: of the contract he's still on and went back to Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm a little in terms of what this means
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  Speaker 1: for Suarez. There's a harder ballpark to hit in. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: get to play the Rockies very often anymore in the
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  Speaker 1: AO West. Are you on board there? Are you kind
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  Speaker 1: of ticking Sores down a little bit? Or have the
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  Speaker 1: changes he's shown over the past couple of years in
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  Speaker 1: Arizona enough to override that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm giving him a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt here, Like you have to
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  Speaker 2: give him a little tick down right that that ballpark
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  Speaker 2: is not as good to play in and he has
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  Speaker 2: struggled there to a degree in the past, but like
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  Speaker 2: you know, we say he struggled there. He he hit
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  Speaker 2: two thirty six his first season two thirty two, and
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  Speaker 2: he's hit in two forty three now. So like the
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  Speaker 2: bat hmvers is basically the same. His his run production
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  Speaker 2: was pretty good. He just has been on an incredible
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  Speaker 2: season and so you know, twenty twenty two he hit
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  Speaker 2: thirty one bombs, hit eighty seven rbi, one hundred fifty games,
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  Speaker 2: like that's still a very healthy pace. And he has
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  Speaker 2: made some adjustments as an overall hitter, Like his launch
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  Speaker 2: angle is just like rocketed through the roof. Like career wise,
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  Speaker 2: he was a seventeen eighteen degree launching guy. This this
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  Speaker 2: year it's jumped four whole points and he is getting
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  Speaker 2: everything out of every fly ball. So he's made some adjustment.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, like if I was to say, like
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  Speaker 2: give me a ninety five percent of what you Henniosuarez
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  Speaker 2: was in Arizona here in Seattle, I'm comfortable with that
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  Speaker 2: because you're not expecting Suarez to be this like massive
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  Speaker 2: doubles machine and all these kind of things, Like he
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  Speaker 2: hits bombs and they go far, and he's in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of a lineup that has looked a lot better
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  Speaker 2: as of late. So I'm taking them down a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But there's nothing here that's making me like move off
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  Speaker 2: of the Suarez. If you have him, you'd likely got
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  Speaker 2: him just as cheap as the Diamondbacks this season. So
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  Speaker 2: you're still, you know, playing with house money here with you,
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  Speaker 2: Heneo Suarez, and I think it generally plays through.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's all fair. So and especially
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  Speaker 1: like considering the draft costs that you probably put into
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  Speaker 1: a Hena Suarez, like, you still can't beat it for
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen over these last two months with
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  Speaker 1: the Mariners. Even if it is more of like a
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  Speaker 1: thirty homer pace than the fifty that he was on,
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  Speaker 1: that's still crazy good for a third basement in fantasy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And hey, he's a streaky hitter anyway, So
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  Speaker 2: he was down, he was due for a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of downturn and then come back. So like, it's no
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  Speaker 2: big deals, kin of what you thought with you, Henehol Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Next major deal we had involved the San Diego Padres
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  Speaker 1: because if there's anybody who loves the trade deadline more
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  Speaker 1: than you, Jeremy Brewer. It might be aj Preller could
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  Speaker 1: not just kind of keep his nose out of this,
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  Speaker 1: and once he sniffed that Mason Miller was on the block,
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  Speaker 1: he pursued it pretty hard. That like, there was not
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  Speaker 1: very many rumblings that the Athletics were going to be
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  Speaker 1: moving Miller, but aj Preller busted out the chip to
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  Speaker 1: get it done. Put Leodlls defrees on the table, dealt
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  Speaker 1: him to the Athletics to get Mason Miller and JP Sears,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of other minor leaguers, including Brandon Nett going
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  Speaker 1: back to the Athletics, but we're going to focus here
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  Speaker 1: on Miller and Devrese. So Miller with the A's was
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  Speaker 1: their closer head closed twenty games, twenty saves. That is,
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  Speaker 1: had a four h two ERA, but that also didn't
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  Speaker 1: quite tell the whole story. Is a three fourteen whip. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I'm also looking at the full season statistics. Let me
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  Speaker 1: actually split that so I can get you what it
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  Speaker 1: truly was distilled down with the Athletics is a three
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  Speaker 1: seventy six ERA with the Athletics a two to eighty
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  Speaker 1: eight whip with a thirteen point nine K nine just
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  Speaker 1: a lights out closer moving to the Padres into a
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  Speaker 1: setup role behind Robert Suarez. Kau Suarez is in trance there.
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  Speaker 1: He's actually signed through twenty twenty sevens. There are rumblings
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  Speaker 1: that the Padres want to convert Miller back into a
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  Speaker 1: starter kind of the way that they have done previously
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  Speaker 1: with Michael King and with Seth Lugo in prior years,
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  Speaker 1: but that's going to be more of an off season project.
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  Speaker 1: Gives them a dynamic probably the best bullpen in the
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  Speaker 1: majors as we get into the playoff stretch between Miller, Suarez,
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  Speaker 1: Jason Adam, Jeremiah Strata, even like you got guys like
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  Speaker 1: Peralta there, who is just guy? If I got Adrian Morohane,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of who I always call more John in
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  Speaker 1: honor of our friend John, who always does that in
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  Speaker 1: our leagues. Loves saying more John. But so you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a downgrade for Miller for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the year based on moving into that
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  Speaker 1: setup role. So let's focus the conversation there first before
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  Speaker 1: coming back to Debrees. What are you doing with Miller?
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  Speaker 1: Is he still elite enough of a reliever that you
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  Speaker 1: want to keep him around for the ratios and the k's,
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  Speaker 1: And then what are you doing with him in Dynasty
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  Speaker 1: long term? Are you going out and moving him up
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  Speaker 1: your list because of the possibility of starting or I'm
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  Speaker 1: leaning maybe a little bit this direction. I might be
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  Speaker 1: moving him down in terms of value because we saw
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  Speaker 1: him try to start for the a's. He is not
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  Speaker 1: built for starting pitching. I don't believe in terms of
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  Speaker 1: his lengthy injury history, his violent arm action, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't see how Miller can hold up to one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty innings over an entire year. So what do
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  Speaker 1: you think about Mason Miller on the Padres going forward?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for Miller it's a mixed bag. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's strong enough as a reliever that you hold
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  Speaker 2: on to him and hope for some ratio and strike out. Upside,
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  Speaker 2: he's also gonna be, i think, deploying a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more of the fireman role. So you probably can vulture
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  Speaker 2: some wins from Miller here because he's gonna be put
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  Speaker 2: in all those hard scenarios and since he can go
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  Speaker 2: multiple innings, whether they play it or not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they seem more willing to do that, though I think
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  Speaker 2: that he'll pick up some wins. I'm very concerned if
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  Speaker 2: he goes into the rotation. To you, Frank, I just
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  Speaker 2: don't think that Arm's gonna hold up. This is coming
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  Speaker 2: from a guy that loves injured pitchers and so like,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's very, very concerning for Miller. But ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: like long term, I'm actually excited for this one, which
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  Speaker 2: might sound funny, because Robert s. Wrez has an opt
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  Speaker 2: out after this season on his contract and he's only
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  Speaker 2: making basically it's two eight million dollar player options. So
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  Speaker 2: maybe not an opt out the traditional way, but he
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  Speaker 2: will be thirty five with two eight million dollar player
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  Speaker 2: options in front of him, and so this is his
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  Speaker 2: last chance, arguably to really go get a bigger contract
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  Speaker 2: and make that a three or four year deal making
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  Speaker 2: twelve thirteen million a year. So I think Surez is
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  Speaker 2: opting out and we're declining his player option this this offseason,
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  Speaker 2: and therefore Miller becomes the closure next year. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: still from a dynasty perspective holding on to Miller. If
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  Speaker 2: the sniffing of starting continues, then I'm on jumpin' ship
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  Speaker 2: at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I that's a good point because he will be
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  Speaker 1: one of the main closers out there. Obviously you'll have
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  Speaker 1: Devin Williams on the market too, but it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a pretty rap.
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  Speaker 2: I take that. I have to go look at the
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  Speaker 2: contract because he actually might be ARB eligible if he
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  Speaker 2: opts out. That's a good point because he came over
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  Speaker 2: and so I'd have to dig to see if because
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times when guys come over older, they
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  Speaker 2: put a clause in there to basically if they opt
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  Speaker 2: out or decline an option, that they become understruct for
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  Speaker 2: free agents. But I think he wouldn't actually be eligible
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  Speaker 2: till twenty eight if he follows the standard path. So okay,
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  Speaker 2: I might be speaking wrong. That's that's an interesting one.
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  Speaker 2: I need to dig into more because he might have
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  Speaker 2: one of those player options that he can exercise if
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  Speaker 2: he was having really a downturn here again, he might
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  Speaker 2: he might decline that and try to complete their art proces,
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  Speaker 2: which would probably wk out pretty well for him, but
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  Speaker 2: they might be able to hold on to him. So
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  Speaker 2: it looks like I've got some contract you can do
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  Speaker 2: later tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get into those details. I mean Tim
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  Speaker 1: Durkiss of MLB trade rumors does have him slighted on
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  Speaker 1: the free agent list for this offseason based on that
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  Speaker 1: player option, and so if you're if you're wrong and
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  Speaker 1: will be trade rumors is also wrong, which doesn't happen
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  Speaker 1: very often, so it would be quite the rare sight.
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  Speaker 1: But let's focus back on Leo Devrese here, one of
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  Speaker 1: the top prospects in the game. He's only twenty first
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  Speaker 1: on the Fangrafts rankings just because they're a little bit
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  Speaker 1: unsure of the ultimate kind of power and the eventual
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  Speaker 1: spot where he's going to play in the field, but
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  Speaker 1: pretty much consensus top five dynasty Fantasy prospects, just because
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty messianic bat here out of Leo Devrees.
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  Speaker 1: He's only eighteen years old and has held his own
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  Speaker 1: in High A. I'll give you the full line because
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  Speaker 1: he's now put in five games with the Athletics. It's
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  Speaker 1: a two five three point fifty three four h nine
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  Speaker 1: slash line. Doesn't sound too special, but again, he's eighteen
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: years old in High A with putting up a one
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to fourteen WRC plus with eight homers eight Stonlee bases.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: This is a guy who would be would have been
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: draft eligible out of high school and is going to
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: be rounding into double A next year. So there's possibility
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we see him in twenty twenty six, but it's probably
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: more of a twenty twenty seven arrival horizon for Leo Devrees.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Any kind of maneuvering that you're doing with his ranking
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and dynasty going forward, Any concerns maybe with the athletics
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: developmental program, Yeah, if any, Like.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I No, I don't think I'm moving to him really
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: adjusting him any long term rankings, like if anything, it's
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: just a little interesting, But I do think that the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: athletics development program is maybe not as strong as he
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: would have had in San Diego. That said, i'd you
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: think Oakland, Sorry, Las Vegas, sacrament I don't know who
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: they are athletics, they're they're they're gonna be a little
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: bit more timid with him because they want to capitalize
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: on getting the most out of them, whereas I think
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the Padres would have been a little more aggressive in
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: moving him up. And so maybe it's delays your timetable
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit, and you know, you end up playing
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit more of the service time game here.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, he's still a
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: top prospect. You know, kudos to Preller for being willing
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to make make make a move here, uh and be
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: bold because I did not see, didn't have my BINGO
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: card to have Leo de Freeze moving this this trade
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: trade season.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean I do wonder if this
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: is one that kind of like James Wood, Mackenzie Gore
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: trade turner, some of the high profile guys that Preller
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: has moved comes back to bite him when especially he
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: has to watch a thirty four year old Xander Bogart's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: men shortstop for him next year, that he might be
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: wishing that he had a nineteen year old the Ood
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Debree that he could start moving to. I do also
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: think that like it's a nice spot in for the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Athletics where they don't really have a great long term
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: solution at second or third base. Obviously they have Jacob
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Wilson who will be pretty entrenched at shortstop. So I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to alter the timeline for
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Derese too much if he produces, just because a guy
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: like that, it seems like the sky's limit. Okay, let's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: stick back in San Diego as they made probably the
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: fourth largest trade I would say in terms of going
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: to the Orioles acquiring Ryan O'Hearn acquiring Ramon Loreano, which
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the Loreano one was especially surprising for the Orioles because
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: he was ar be eligible. He still had some arbitration
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: left between, like what he was running off from his
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: original time with the A's, so it's not like he
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: was a free agent that needed to be moved by Baltimore.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: O'Hearn was going to be out the door as he
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: is a pending free agent. So what do you think
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of these guys landing in San Diego, between Ramon and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Loriano and Brian O'Hearn, any sort of value adjustments you're
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: doing with them considering their move over from Baltimore.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the the O'Hearn, I'm not not doing
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: much with. I think o'hearne is who he is, you know, platoon, bat,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: streaky power. I don't think it really matters. Where's that
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe slightly better lineup, but also the playing time maybe
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a little more questionable. I'm not sure we're gonna see
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: how that still plays out. Loriotto, on the other hand,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: like he has been hot, he has been producing, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: it's been a long time, I would say a long time.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Has he ever been on a competitive team like.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Some of those A teams went to the playoffs back
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of the day.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, we'll give it that. But like he he
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: seems like a guy that really, you know, could benefit
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: from like that spark. He seems to be kind of
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a streaky guy, and so I think I'm a little
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: more intrigued for him to see what happens in a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: stronger lineup, have a little more play protection around him.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I think he really can do some more damage. He's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: always been a health concern. He's he's already nearing, you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: career highs and games here. His career high has actually
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: one twenty three, but he's only eclipsed one hundred games
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: twice in his career and he's at eighty seven Ordy
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: this year. So he might be hurt tomorrow for all
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I know. But he seems to really be kind of
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: lean into playing in new space, and I think that's
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: gonna play well for him. So again, not more of
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: an analytical perspective here saying it's a better ballpark or
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: anything like that. It might be slightly better for him,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: But I do think that just being in that playoff race.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: The excitement of that move is going to play well
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: for Loretto, so I'm a little bit more intrigued with him.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: He's just looked a lot better as of late.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I think even in like keeper
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: dynasty situation's big up arrow for Loreo. I know, moving
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to San Diego, he's going to be the starting left
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: fielder probably for twenty twenty six as well. So nice
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: little lineup to settle into. Don't have to worry about
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: being a part of that next wave of another Baltimore rebuild.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Probably so well, you got Prober at the helm here,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: so you never know.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: True. But I mean, he's on a four million dollar
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: deal for next year. It's gonna be tough for aj
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to walk away from a four million dollars starting Yes.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: He needs a lot of four million dollar guys around.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's been here exactly. Okay, next trade we have
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: is Meryl Kelly, who's a free agent to be moving
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: from Arizona to Texas and not necessarily a huge return
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: going back to Arizona. So we're gonna focus here on
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Meryl Kelly, who before joining the Rangers had put up
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a three to twenty two Era over one hundred and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: twenty eight and two thirds innings, going nine and six
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: with the Dbacks. Looks sharp. In his first outing with
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the Rangers at Seattle, went five and two thirds tow runs,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: six walks or six k's six walks will be bad
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: no walks, six k's no walks, and so great little
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: debut for him. It's been a solid season for the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: thirty six year old, and I love this move for Kelly.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: He's been sneaky great this year if you've had him
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: in spots, and this only boosts the value because do
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you know where Globe Life Field ranks on park factors
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: for this year.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I haven't looked. You're leading the witness here, but go ahead,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: because I have not looked. And traditionally it's been a
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: decent park, but I'm taking this looked. It's it's actually
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the gone the other way. It's actually become more of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a picture save him.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: It's the number one pictures park in baseball right now,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: which I mean I think it also explains a little
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: bit of than Nathan Neovaldi, like what's going on there.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I do wonder I want somebody to like look into
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this that I wonder if there's also a little bit
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of like a Metro Dome air conditioning situation, where at
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the old Metro Dome in Minnesota, the facilities team was
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: very well known for making sure the AC was blasting
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and blowing in when the away team was batting, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: not blasting when the Twins are up. I wonder if
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that going on down in Texas,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: because visiting teams really struggled there. On top of also,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the next one is t Mobile Park, which we know
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the second to worst, So I guess third worst would
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: be Milwaukee, which it used to be in Tampa would
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: be down there. There's a little bit of like something
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: with led lighting in Texas. They're constantly playing indoors. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: don't know when the last time that they've had that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: park open was, so's there's a factor there too. So
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: great landing spot for Merriel Kelly. Anything that you think
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I might be overlooking, anything that you don't like about
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: the profile, or you kind of on board with me here, No,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I'm jenerlling.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: On board like Kelly is just for the last few
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: years has been this kind of unassuming workhorse and like
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: there's nothing that he's just like unbelievable at he gets
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: decent strikeouts, he doesn't walk too many, he goes deep
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: into games, he doesn't blow up like he's just a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: workhorse for for your rotation, and so not a better
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: spot than to move into a team that's you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit more competitive than where he was coming from.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's, you know, to your point,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: coming to a better ballpark because you know, Arizona was
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: not necessarily the greatest bictuest park by any means. I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: think that this only arrows up for him, and you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: he's gonna get a little more run support. So you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the the nine and six record was actually pretty pretty
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: decent at least, you know what he's at now, add
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: another four or five wins throughout the rest of the season,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: he can maybe sniff fifteen. Like it's a great, great
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: season for Meryl Kelly. So I really I do like this,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and you know, he's probably got a few more sneaky
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: good seasons left in him.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think it's gonna be a nice
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: kind of pickup for the Rangers down the stretch as
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: they are really right in that wild card battle right now. Okay,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: next one, This one was also very surprising. We had
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the Guardians moving Shane Bieber, who has been out all
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: season with Tommy John surgery. They sent him over to
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the Toronto Blue Jays and honestly, the brown This time
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: next week we might be talking about Shane Bieber pitching
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: for the Toronto Blue Jays because just on August third,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: he made his fourth rehab start since he was kind
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of reactivated after he was shut down. The reactivation happened
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in mid July. He's made four starts of two innings,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: three innings, four innings, then five innings. Over those fourteen
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: total innings, two fifty seven ERA twenty two strikeouts against
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: just two walks. It has come against complex high A,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: double A, triple A pitchers, So take that with a
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: little bit of grain of salt, but you do love
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to see that twenty two k's to just two walks,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: especially coming off with Tommy John surgery. We're looking at
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: its former sy Young winner here. How much are you
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in love with Shane Bieber? Are there any leagues that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you don't own him in?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I was going through the leagues. I think I own
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: him in every single league I'm in, so very very
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: fair point. I absolutely love Shane Bieber. This is one
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: of the like if you listen to pod you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the profiles that go after like he is the epitome
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of the profile and go after good control, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: good good decent, you know, movement, good ground ball rates.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Like He's the kind of picture I absolutely love. And
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I think from what I've seen, he's probably
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: two more rehab starts, so Saturday he's going to get
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a start, and they expecting one more after that before
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: he makes his debut. So we're looking right mid August
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: here to your point, we're probably tucking you know, tend
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: to fourteen days before we're seeing him for the Blue
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Jays for a month and a half. What's really interesting
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: here is what's this gonna look like, you know, this
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: first time with a new organization, playing playing in Toronto. Like,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I think this is gonna be just fine for him.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: He he's an he's he's a really professional pitcher, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: so I think, you know, everything he's done so far
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: in his rehab, you know, kind of gives me the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: brand Woodruff vibes, which is like he is who he
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: is and he's coming back strong and he should be
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: absolutely good. The question really comes down to, this is
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: just an interesting trade for the Blue Jays.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: They gave up a decent prospect for him, but Bieber's
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: got a player option for next year. So they just
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: traded for like a month month and a half here
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of Shane Bieber, which I mean I get that they
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: that they need him and trying to you know, solidify
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that spot. So they're probably looking for the Hey, if
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be what we expect him to be, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: clearly they have zero concerns about the Hell that's what
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I'm actually most intrigued here for if you're trained for
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: a guy like Shane Bieber. There's been a lot of
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: injured guys this year that like you thought were going
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: to come back. You're looking at you, Shane McClanahan, and
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: they just haven't made it back, or they've just been
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you know, seeing time after time or you know, rehab
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: start blowing up things like that. And Bieber looks good.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They're confident in them, and they're paying a good prospect
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: for a month and a half and maybe the playoff
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: run regardless of what happens next year with them. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sold you already knew that because that's just who
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I am with Shane Bieber.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't mean to lead the witness
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: on that one. Knew where you were going to go,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: So I honestly I'm in I'm in lock stuff with you,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: especially when you're looking at the strikeout to walk rate.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And it didn't ever seem like the injury that he
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: suffered last year, even though it was Tommy John, it
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: didn't seem like quite the hurdle of some of these
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: other tjs that we've we've heard of, where especially given
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that I'm there's probably two or three years that Bieber
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: was pitching with a torn ish ucl that, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I think he had gotten used to the process that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he's just been such an elite control artist too, where
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it's not like it's a guy who was was really
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: relying on pumping ninety eight mile an hour gas pitch
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: after pitch after pitch to be able to survive that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things in Bieber's profile
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that will carry through well as he kind of comes
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: through through with the Blue Jays down the stretch. All right.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Last main trade that I want to hit is Cedric
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Mullens move into the New York Mets, and so this
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: was actually my pick for the buye from the Baltimore
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Orioles before the season, just mostly because it was fifteen homer,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: sixteen stolen bases over ninety five games out of Mullins
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: before he moved. The batting average was low at two
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: twenty four. But if you need a guy who offered
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: power and speed, prices didn't get too much better. But
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Mullens offered you out there, so should go to New
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: York and do relatively the same. He when I posted
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: this just the other day, he was not in a
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: platoon situation for the Mets. Has on roster resource has
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: been moved into a strong side platoon, but that's only because,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: like he also might have just gotten a day off
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: against a lefty and they let Tyrone Taylor play. So
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I do think that Mullens will probably play eighty five
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time in center field for the Mets,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: given how poor their center field situation has been. I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of an up arrow, just
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: given the overall offensive lineup that he's moving to New York.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: What about you?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a slight up arrow. Like I've
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: really struggled with molds in the past, Like, I just
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the overall profile does not do it for me. But
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: then is this guy that you keep looking at the
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: end of the season be like, how do you manage that?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Like this kind of feels like an Anthony Bulby kind
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of thing here where it's like the whole seasons of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: pain and you look back and he went twenty twenty
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: and hit two forty, You're like, well, where did that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: come from? And so like, I feel like that's kind
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: of the the Mullens pace that we're on this year.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: And to your point, in a competitive, more competitive lineup
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: doing you know, expecting to to contribute and you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: really the fielding hasn't been the big concern in the past,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: so and if there's any team that's struggled with outfielders,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: definitely been the been the Mets. So I think this
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: is a slight up arrow. I'm I'm still there's a
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: part of me just can't really fully buy into Mullins
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: because it just always looks like the wheels are just
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: about to fall off. But you can't negate the fact
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: that the production just continues to be there as long
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: as you're not going back to you know what Mullens
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: was a handful of years ago when he had his
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: little homer outburst. We hit thirty homers back in twenty
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: twenty one. Like, I think that just on a sudden
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: unreasonable expectations for Mullens for like two three years, because
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that's just not the guy he was. And if you
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: if you get comfortable with him being this mid teens homer,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: you know, twenty steel guy hitting two thirty like that,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: that's fine, that's who he is, you should be really happy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So I think slide up arrow from Rolins here, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I'm still hesitant overall because I feel like I've been
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: burned too many times by this play.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hear it. Okay, Well, that kind of
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: summarizes what I think where the biggest trades in terms
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: of name value, kind of impact, especially you're kind of
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: looking at all of those dudes that we just discussed
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: were certainly owned and shallower leagues like ten teamers as well,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: so lots of impact there. I figured we would also
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: focus on some of the other pieces of fallout in
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: terms of where there's shuffling of teams and rosters, where
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: new players might be taking over roles or just new
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: kind of situations on new teams leading to downgrades and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: roles as well too. So let's focus on some of
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the risers first from a fantasy perspective. So we've actually
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: got two outfielders here who I think both are gonna
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: get significant up arrows just because of their situations and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: they're kind of linked. So we have Hayesu Sanchez and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Jacob Marcy. Hayesu Sanchez was dealt from the Marlins to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the Astros and is now just the two hole hitter
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: for the Astros, which has been he was a great cheap,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: cheap power speed combo for the Marlins before arriving in Houston.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Had put up ten homers, nine stolen bases, two fifty
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: six average over eighty six games with the with Miami,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: that's a great, great outfield option for what he cost
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: at the draft table for fantasy. So in terms of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that arrival in Houston, do you agree up arrow just
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: because he's hitting in the two hole for the Houston Astros.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's pretty simple here. Better ballpark, better position,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: better team. It's it's gonna be good. The only only
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: question I have here is the speed. I think you
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: actually maybe get a little down arrow in the speed
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: if you've not, or have you played our favorite game
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: already or you.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Page, let's go there.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: So Jesus Sanchez has nine steals this year on eleven attempts,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: sixteen steals last year for the Marlins. What's the sprint speed?
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Is this going to play in Houston?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I guess it's actually probably around the fifty percentile mark
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: thirty six. Okay, Yeah, this is a six four two
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: twenty two. Is a big boy and big strides. Yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: big big strides, as you know.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: And so I do think that they're not looking for
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: him to run necessarily the Marlins. You know, We're able
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to let him kind of do his thing, be a
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: little more aggressive, try to manufactured things. I think Houston,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: especially in the two holes in front of some some
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: decent hitters there, I think they're gonna pull back on
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the steels a little bit. But you see improvement in
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: the runs. RBIs maybe a little of the power department,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: So overall up arrow, little caution in the steels.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it is only a handful of games,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: but you can already see that the contact rate is
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: improved with the Astros two. So so I think there
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: is more meat on the bone in terms of development
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for Sanchez. He's only twenty seven years old, is that right? Yeah,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: twenty seven, so you especially look at also just the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: size is pretty comparable to Jordan Alvarez that you know
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: there has been success with this type of profile in
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Houston in the past. I would not be surprised to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: see him really take off and become especially a big
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: sleeper pick going into next year, considering that role in Houston.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: But let's focus on Jacob Marcy because I think this
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: guy is probably the winner from Fantasy in terms of
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the deadline fallout, just period. Because he was on fire
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: in Triple A before this call up. It was a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: two forty six three seventy nine. So you can see
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: right there, that's like a sixteen percent walk rate, four
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: thirty eight slash line. That's a one twenty six WRSC
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: plus fourteen homers forty seven stolen bases in ninety eight games.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You and I had actually both written about him before
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the call up because we both saw kind of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: tea leafs coming together. I was going through the Jacob
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Marcy tags on Rasball this afternoon. I was like, oh,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: this is great because I think we got the two
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Marcibros together on this pod talking about him immediately has
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: paid dividends in Miami walking into that starting lineup. I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: think they were saying it was like one of the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: weirdest stats. I think it was like in his first
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: was it eight plate appearance or something, he had like
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: four walks and four extra base hits. Because this dude
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: is also just like an absolute grinder too, Like he
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: has no sense of caution. I think in terms of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: both playing at the plate, you'll see like every at
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: bat he grinds out and expects to get a hit,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: like I've just seen him battle every single at bat
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: that I've watched him play, and top of like when
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: he's on the bass pass, he's looking to go. It's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of like a Pete Curl Armstrong kind of profile.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I think in terms of what he can offer, not
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: quite the same pedigree, also just a little less contact ability,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: but honestly a way better. I he is never run
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a walk rate lower than twelve point nine percent in
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the minors, and that was only last year at Triple
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: A for the first time for twenty two games. So
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: this dude gets on base. I think he's gonna win
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: some leagues down the stretch because the stolen bases are
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: gonna be tremendous. Am I over hyping Jacob Marcy too much?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. Was he gonna win the leagues?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: We'll see, But like obp leagues certainly like that that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: this is guy's a cheat code there, Like he's a
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: bit of it. It's an odd scenario of a free swinger,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: but not like and I think that's what throws you
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: off there is that like to your point, like he
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: will fight things off, he will get on base, but
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: average is still gonna be a bit of a challenge
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: for him because he's not the most powerful hit. He
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: is more of a spray hitter, your doubles hitter. He's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe gonna sniff double digit home runs across
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the season. And but he he's got this incredible piece
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: that a lot of speedsters don't have, which is that
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: ability to get on base, and that absolutely gives him
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a floor that is admirable. And he's always been a
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: very efficient base runner, like this year is probably his worst,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and he's stolen forty seven and sixty attempts in the minors.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Last year he stole fifty one and fifty eight. You know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: he's always been a very efficient base runner. So like
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: if you like Chandler Simpson, you should like Jacob Marcy.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Like there's there's just no question. It's just a little
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: bit of different mold, lower average, you know, a little
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: bit more power. He's also gonna be a streaky type
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: of hitter for for sure, with the with the approach
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: he has, you're gonna, you know, especially again if you're
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: not in a walks type of reward league, he's gonna
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden walk four times in the game and
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be completely useless to you. But I really
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: really like this this profile again playing for the Marlins.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: They're gonna let him do, They're gonna let him go
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and this it makes to be exciting to see. So
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: this is the kind of guy that you can absolutely
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: be counting on to to do some damage. And that's
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: why I wrote about him like a month ago. It's like,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: if you're if you're looking for steels, pick this guy
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: up because when he gets the call, it's it's cheat code,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: absolutely cheat code. So love him. Jacob Barci here. It'll
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: be fun to watch to see how much they let
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: him run early on here.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean it's gonna be fun to watch
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: the Marlinists on the stretch because they're of the periphery
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of this wild card race, and I like the team.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's a fun little team that Peter Bendex is finally
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: kind of put together. So we'll see how they go forward.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: All right, next risers we have are new closers. There's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: always new closers as the old ones were shipped out
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: during the trade deadline. If you do want the breakdown
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: of all the trades, because I know we only covered like,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: what was that seven of them in total, out of
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: the fifty or whatever, so that is in the show notes.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: You can go and see the whole list. You can
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: see all of the closer moves and stuff that we
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: didn't discuss because we're breaking it down here. New closers
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that I've got listed are Jose Ferrara in Washington, Jojo
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Romero in Saint Louis, Randy Rodriguez in San Francisco, Dennis
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Santana in Pittsburgh. I'm gonna set Randy Rodriguez aside because
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that's probably that's easily the number one name out.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Of I wanted the gimme like, that's yeah, there's no question.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Because he has put up a twelve point three K
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: nine over forty six and two thirds a one fifty
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: four era. This dude is one of the most electrical
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: relievers in all the game. Easy like top eight closer
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: probably the rest of the way, just given the profile.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Should have been closing for a while, maybe in San
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Francisco before Deval got shipped out. Of the other three
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Forrere Romero Santana, if you had to pick one, who's
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: your go to?
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: If I had to pick one, it would be Santana,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and the reason being, like I think there's a I
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: think Santana and Romero probably the best stuff. Romero being
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the only lefty in that Cardinal's bullpen, and I'm just
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: not sure that they're fully going to commit to him
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: in that role, so they might mix and match here
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: there they see, you know, a few strong lefties coming
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: through in the eighth, they might pull him there. So
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I think Santana has a little bit clearer path to
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the role. I feel like all three teams that they're
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: on aren'tetting a ton of wins, so it's not like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: there's a big team there in Ferrer, I just don't
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: think has as strong as an Arsenal. He's not a
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: prototypical closure. Not not that either the other two are
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: like prototypal, but they're like much closer than Frer. So
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I'm taking Santana slightly over Romero, both pretty handily over
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: for Ara.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm in the same boat. And honestly,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I like the skills for Forrere, but that is me.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: That bullpen in Washington now is maybe like one of
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: the worst bullpens I've ever seen. Like Colorado's up there
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: right now too.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like they're in double A right now.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, because that's gonna be The other issue is
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the bridge to get from a starter to Ferrara and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Washington is treacherous. So Romero, I think the only hesitation
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: is there's other dudes around in Saint Louis and he's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: only the only lefty in the pen right now. So
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be situations where Romero just needs to face
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: the best left handed batter and that's going to open
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: up Riley O'Brien or Kyle Lahey or who knows from
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the Saint Louis bullpen to finish out.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: A safe, But I do think both Romero and Santanai
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: absolutely be closures next year on these teams. I think
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: they're both going to get the run for it. For Are,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like he ver well could be, but
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: he gives me the the vibes of any Nationals closess
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: we ever have, which is, will they ge enough of
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: ours and they feel like they're about to blow upon you?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like that could be could be the case here,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But I like really all three of Romero, Rodriguez and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Santana to be closers in twenty six as well from
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: a dynasty perspective.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think that's that's a great call too.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on to the next riser who
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: he was a closer and it's the reason why Ferrera
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: has a job now, and that's Kyle Finnegan moving from
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Washington to Detroit. Looks like he took over that closer
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: job from Will Vest. Over the past week since the deadline,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: he's been pretty lights out, while Vest has been much
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: more shaky after holding down that role for a few months.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: So if you want to actually get into the preview
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: of one of our followers, I think Will Vest is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: there because surprisingly he's probably the only incumbent closer given
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: all the trade activity that lost his job at the
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: deadline and wasn't really slated too. It's just that within
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: this past week things switched so quickly in terms of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: vest just kind of regressing to the mean a little
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: bit and Finnegan finding a new level since joining the Tigers,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: where it does seem like the control took a tick
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: up where that was always kind of my issue with Finnegan.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: But if the Tigers have found something to unlock there,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: they might have found themselves a frontline closer. So where
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: what are you doing with Finnegan? Do you have that
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: level of trust with the Tigers kind of pitching development
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to start moving him into that more trusted circle of closers.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Uh, I'm not quite sure I'm there yet because they
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: haven't seen the true Like I agree with you that
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: they are better development and pitching than the Nationals, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: so I think that they are going to get more
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: out of Finnegan than what was out there in DC.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: But I do still see the Tigers as one of
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: these teams that they just will not commit to fully
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: saying that this guy's the closer they're gonna like they're
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: gonna act that way, but they're never going to fully commit,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and then something's gonna happen. You have a rough few
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: days and all of a sudden vest is gonna be closing,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Tyler Holton's gonna pick up
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: a safe just because, like, I think that's that's my
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: only hole up there. So I've got him more in
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that mid tier of closers, but compared to where he was,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: like being mid tier of closures and maybe being like
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: getting seventy eight ers in the opportunities in Detroit versus
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: everything in Washington might just be a wash and it
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: might be a slightly better pitcher, So like, yeah, I'll
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: give it a slight up arrow for for fitting in
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's all fair. Okay, next
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: three rises we have, I think are a little bit
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: more deeply guys, but I think also pretty significant upgrades
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: in terms of the value. First one we're gonna cover
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: is Freddy for Mean, who we really don't ever talk
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: about because he was a backup catcher in Kansas City,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: but now he's the starting catcher for the San Diego Padres.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: This is a guy who was that first type of
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: catcher with a two sixty eight three fourteen three eighty
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: three slash line. That's a six inety seven oh ps,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: which isn't fantastic, but when you're talking catchers, it's not
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: too bad. In four years with the Royals, where are
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you putting for me in terms of picking up for
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: catchers because catchers have been pretty good, but the back
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: end of the pool has started to thin out pretty quickly.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: So someone you're looking at in two team situations for
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: twelve teamers or is it more of a fifteen teamer
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: for Freddy?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: For me, yeah, I think it's more the two catcher leagues.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: He's probably in that fifteen to eighteen range from on
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: a catcher's perspective, So yeah, maybe maybe. You know, if
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you're running a few injuries in the fifteen teamers, you
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: have to remember fifteen teamers. Like with some of the
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: way that catchers came this year, Like there's a lot
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: of guys that came out of nowhere in it, you know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: let's be frank, a lot of more out of nowhere.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You should just seen a number of these coming. But
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I think what I've seen in a lot of leagues.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Is a lot of these guys you may have picked up.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: You may have had like an Adlie Rutchman or a
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you know, William Contreras or Wilson as whichever contro you
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: felt like playing, and then you end up with a
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Drake Baldwin or Augustin Ramirez or somebody like that as
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: your backup and so at the back of a fifteen team,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: or you might be looking at a Freddy Furman here,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: but I still think he's more on the alse had
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: looking in for me for the most part.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I think that's all fair. Just somebody to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: throw out there, put on people's radars if you are
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: hunting for a catcher. Next one we have is it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the minor league arm that went back to the Guardians
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: in exchange for Shane Bieber and he's been absolutely lights
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: out this year in Double A for Toronto. We are
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: talking Cal Stephen, who was really starting to shoot up
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: prospect boards. This is another guy I know I talk
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: about every once in a while. There's guys in our
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: autonew league where there's been several times in the season
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: where my finger like hovers over the auction button. Cal
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Steven has been there multiple times, because with Toronto it
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: was over actually three spots or three stops between a
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: ball hy A Double A had put up a two
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: oh six ERA and nine point seven K nine to
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: go with a one point eight walk per nine over
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: ninety one and two thirds innings. Everything was very glowing
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: in terms of the prospect reports coming back. Struggled in
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit in his first go at double A,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: but I mean, this is a guy who should be
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: ready for the rotation next year. Was drafted out of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Mississippi State last year in the second round by the
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays, So a pretty good get for the Guardians,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: especially given that pitching development system. Also, do you know
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: where cal Stephen was born?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I do not.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Danville's central reality not too far away. Okay, he's from Danville. Uh.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: And so this is a guy who is easily going
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to be a top one hundred prospect going into the
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: off season. I guess how far are you gonna like
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: push him up with those rankings considering is he reaching
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: up into those kind of like upper tier of like
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Bubba Chandler prospect him for you, or is he kind
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: of in that next wave where you wouldn't mind having him?
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: But he's not like a must own in a dynasty
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: keeper situation.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's probably that next tier for me
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: right now, Like everything looks really really good. It's I
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: actually absolutely hated that he got nominated in our new
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: league because I did not have a roster spot. But
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: he's like, he's the kind of guy that I'm really
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: excited about. Right organization, right profile, Arrow's point in the
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: right direction. But I think there's still like he's still
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: got a little bit more development to go. He is
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: a big guy, big arm, and so I think there's
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: a little little variability that can come with us. But
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: he is starting to knock on that next layer. I
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: want to see a little bit more at the next level.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: He's he's only got a whole four innings in double A,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: and so I'd like to see him at the upper
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: levels do a little bit more. But yeah, like I
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: feel like a lot of the top prospect pictures this
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: year actually stepped back, and so it's giving guys like
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Cal Steven opportunity to kind of break into that. So
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see. But I think he's going
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to be starting to say be on the edge that
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: top ten, top fifteen starting pitcher prospects in this offseason,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: and if he finishes the season doing what he's been
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: doing Toronto at the Double A level for Cleveland, then
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: I'm a lot more intrigued. So more to come, but
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I think he's an absolute buy in the dynasty right now.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm right locked up with you on cal Stephen.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: All right. Last winner that we have is some way
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: we've talked about a little bit on this pod, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: honestly I've been writing about for almost two straight months
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of my Waiver Wire article to tell people to start
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: stashing him away. It is Dylan Beavers from the Baltimore
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Orioles who isn't promoted yet. But I do believe if you, yeah,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, the forty man roster for the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles stands at thirty eight right now, and I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: think there's a reason for that because around August fifteenth,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: it will be the right number of days where players
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: can still be called up from the minor leagues and
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: still be eligible for the rookie incentives for next year
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: in terms of winning Rookie of the Year and getting
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the extra draft pick compensation for their teams. So I
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: think once we crossed that threshold, we're gonna be seeing
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Beavers in Baltimore along with Samuel Bassaillo. So there's a
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: reason why they had the two open forty man roster spots,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I think, and why they're limping along with the likes
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of Jeremiah Jackson and Vidal Bruhan and Luis Vasquez and
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Ryan Noda in Baltimore. So this is a guy, Dylan Beavers.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: It's been an incredible season. He's got nothing left to
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: prove at Triple as a twenty three year old up
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: to a three ten four to twenty three five thirty
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: nine slash line that's a one fifty eight WRC plus
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: eighteen bombs twenty two homers, has played all over the
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: outfield plays DH has been hitting first or second every
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: game in Triple A. Has certainly passed heston Kurstad and system.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: He is a big big boy. Six two six is
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: waistless to that. He's probably bigger than two six though,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: because I think that was his weight when he was
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: drafted back in twenty twenty two. I think at this point,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: like especially how close we are to the call up.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's probably next weekend that we see
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Beavers come up worth stashing and using a roster spot
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: in twelve teamers. Do you think.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely to your point, I think you make a good call.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Eight fifteen two or so or just under ten days.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Michae leis GM for Baltimore did say about four or
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: five days ago that it would be beneficial for Beavers
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: to get some seasoning this year at the major league level.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And so he's close to making his debut. Like it's
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: it's the writings on the wall here, and I think,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: you know, if you look at his prospectsavon page I
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: don't know how many categories there are on that page.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: There's like call it twenty. They're all like deep red
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: except for uh, he's a little aggressive in his swinging, like,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: which is not the worst thing when you're when you've
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: got the speed, you make the barrel contact, you hit
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: the ball hard, all those kind of things. And so
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: there's you know, he's maybe gotten a little lucky. He
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: might not be a three ten hitter, but like two
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: seventy five to eighty and like I don't think it's unreasonable,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: and like he's a speedster and he's been very efficient
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: in the minor leagues from a speed perspective. Over the
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: last two years, he has stolen fifty three bases and
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: got caught seven times and so and you know he's
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: also hit uh thirty three homers over that time, which
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: is just about to to ten games. So I think
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: we're looking at a guy here that's probably a twenty
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: thirty bat hitting two eighty and gonna score a boatload
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: of runs. And he like his The concern with him
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: early on was like, is he is the plate approach
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: gonna be what it needs to be, or is he
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: gonna be a high strikeout guy? Even though he never
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: really was a high strike out guy. That was always
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: like the concern that he was a well round enough hitter.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: He's actually almost walked more than he struck out this year. Yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: he is on base at a four twenty three approach.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: So I am really excited about Beavers. I think he
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: is I don't say a must own at this point,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: but he is a guy that you really need to
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: be investing in if you were trying to make a
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: run at the end here. The worst part here is
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: that he might get called up in ruin his status
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: for next year. From a sleeper perspective, yeah, that's really
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: what's gonna what's gonna happen? Like, so I'm I'm all
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: in on in Dylan Beaver's here, and you're absolutely right
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that the mould ones move and things like that really
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: opened up for him the rest of this year.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And on top of it too, like the
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: one maybe flaw he had was a little bit too
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: much swinging miss down in the minors, but he closed
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that gap out this year. Strikeout rates down to seventeen
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: point two percent. The in zone contact rate is up
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: ten percentage points this year versus last year. The overall
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: contact rate is up six percentage points. So, I mean,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you really love him to eighty. I don't know if
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I could go there. I was thinking more of like
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty two fifty, but that's still that's like still
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: that's a fifth rounder, right probably, Oh yeah, definitely, like
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be a very very hot commodity going into
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: draft season. So certainly if he's still hanging around, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: he is, because I know on CBS ownership rates like
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: he's still under ten percent, he's definitely out there, and
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: lots and lots of fifteen teamers maybe in a few
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: even ale only leagues, so scoop him up where you
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: can love Dylan Beavers. Okay, let's get into a few
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: of those followers. So we've touched in a couple of them.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I think Suarez is maybe a little bit of a
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: tickdown a Junuarez that is, Will vest is a tick
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: down considering he just kind of lost his closer role.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: The next big drop in value that we have is
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: the flip side of all those dudes that we talked
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: about being new closers, old closers going to teams where
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: they aren't closing anymore. So we have David Bednar, Camillo
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Duval both going to the New York Yankees and both
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: looking like absolute pooh with the rest of the Yankees
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: since they've gone at the trade deadline, Ryan Helsley going
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: to New York Mets, and Mason Miller going to the Padre.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: So we talked about a little bit outside of May.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I think Miller's probably still rosterable wherever you had him,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: But any of those other three still worth hanging on
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to outside safeholds leagues.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I think the only one that would be in like
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: a redraft league would be Bednar. He has not looked good,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: but that whole Yankees bullpen, as much as they made moves,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: has looked just dreadful. It looks like Definitely's may have
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: lost that job again. Weaver has not looked much better.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Jake Bird hasn't been to fall like, uh, maybe it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: the best of the worst kind of thing for Bednar here,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: so he might actually be back in the saves in
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: New York. Duval absolutely not. Hellsley and less there's an
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: injury isn't going to be there. Like I'd be willing
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: to hold on to him from a hope perspective, because
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I could see the the Mets mixing and matching a
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: little bit to keep Diaz healthy. But you know, overall
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: most of them you can you can let go. From
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: a dynasty perspective, I still think Hellsley and Miller are
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: both you know, worth hold on to keeping around because
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: you know it wouldn't be a shock that Helsley is
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: a closure again next year somewhere else.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I totally agree there. Okay. Next one that
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: we have as followers is just kind of those fringy
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: players who we're getting more regular bats in their old
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: teams and then since they've been shipped to new teams
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: are more in part time roles, utility roles. So we're
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: talking about the likes of Willie Castro going to the Cubs,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Jose Capillero going to the Yankees, will Wagner going to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the Padres and also demoted there too. So are all
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: those guys droppable for you or any salvage of value
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: you see?
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think they're all drop well at
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: this point. I mean, if if you want to squint
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: and say, you know, Willie Castro just always seems to
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: find a way. I don't see the way right now,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: but Willie Castro always seems to find a way to
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: get on the field. You know how many different positions
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: is he played this year? Right, center, left, short, third,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: second and pitcher? Uh, I mean it was only one.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't think he was immaculate by any means,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: but I think, you know, this is a guy that
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: will find the lineup a little bit more. But still,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I think most of these guys are guys you can
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: walk away from.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. Even I mean Castro right now,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Raster resource says he's a starter, but if you also
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: look at it, he's also just kind of given Michael
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Bush a little bit of a break given say a
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Suzuki a break, given Kyle Tucker a break. That they've
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: been using him a lot over the first week to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: give their guys breaks. But I think he's gonna shift
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit more into that bench role considering Matt
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Shaw has been very hot for the Cubs, so I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: think they want to find a way to get that
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: bat into the lineup every day. Last faller, this one hurts.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's time to finally pour one out for the twenty
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: twenty five season of Gavin Sheets. My boy, But what
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: a ride it was, because if you had had him
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: up until now, it's been a one hundred and four
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: games with fifteen homers, forty runs, fifty four RBI at
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: two forty eight three twelve four point twenty one slash line,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: it's one oh seven WRC plus. It was all absolutely free,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Like there's no way you paid any draft capital for
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Gavin Sheets for those fifteen homers. But man, that was
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: fun while it lasted, and it's been nice cold the
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: past month or so late.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I say, if you got out of it before July,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: you were really happy.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly because it was the batting aver, which was fantastic
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: and he's moved into just a pure pinchhit bench roll
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: for the Padres. But wow, Gavin Sheets, I knew you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: could do it. So proud of you, and I want
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: to go back and find the episode where he was
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: getting that spot and you were just so unhappy that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: you knew. I was gonna be able to talk about
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: more Gavin Sheets since this season went on. But this
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: might be it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: This Gavin Sheets will be back. Like if is there
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: not a more Colorado Rockies player than Gavin Sheets.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be like the easiest forty taters you've ever seen.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: If he goes to Colorado, it's gonna.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Be absolutely and then they're gonna bench him like or
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: something funny like. It's just I'm bold predictions Gavin Sheets
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: is the Rockies Player of the Year next year.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's gonna He's still got two more
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: years of our bluft so yeah, they'll move them probably
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: like there's anybody, I mean, Jered Poto versus a j Peler,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Like you pick your between those two guys, Like you know,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe he's gonna be playing the Seattle, but.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going bold.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: He also might be back because Ryan O'Hearn the DH
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: there now is a free agent that we might just
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: be Gavin sheets again in March. Last April, the un
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: back them up for twenty twenty six.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Run them back.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna take a short break. We'll be right back.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: We just need to rehydrate, stretch a little bit. We'll
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: be back with the normal news and notes after the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: short break. Stick around, all right, Welcome back, everybody. We
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: did flip the script on you a little bit because
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: of that trade deadline. We had to get through all
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: those trades and their little tentacles that kind of stretched
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: out throughout the league. First, before we get into our
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: normal news and notes, covering some injuries. Cover in we
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: got one promotion and then a couple of fun, little
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: bit more off the beaten path stories to go through.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: So let's get into those injuries first. We've got two
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: major ones in Milwaukee that are going to really shake
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: up the playoff race. First one maybe a little less
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: major because I think it's a little bit more of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: a hey, uh, Jacob Miskirawski, did you did I see
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: you bump your shin there on the bed in the hotel,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: because I think you did and you're going to the il.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: He's hitting the al with a quote unquote tibia contusion.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: But this is just a ploy to save Jacob Missirawski's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: bullets for the playoffs, isn't it.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, And I mean I actually will
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: go a little bit further. It's a ploy to save
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: them for the playoffs and not give teams more chances
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: to scout them by the playoffs. Because I this is
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: gonna probably be blasphemous, but I'm not that high on Mzowski.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Relata is probably a lot out there out there. I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: do think that he has little bit too much control
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: challenges that long term, Like once people kind of get
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: used to him, it's gonna be able to be exploded.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: And so so I think the perfect thing right now
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: for them is just to kind of hold him back,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: bring him and then, like I don't whether he's starting,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: whether he's fireman roll or whatever, it's going to be
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, Like he's going to be be valuable.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: But I'm concerned with Mazerowski really long term. The biggest
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: thing here is that I was excited to see Logan
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Henderson coming back up, who actually think is maybe the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: guy i'd actually rather have in the rotation long term.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: His looks absolutely dominant when he's been up as well.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: He just hasn't got the same fanfare because he's not
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: blown folks away quite as bad as Misarowski has been.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: He didn't get make the All Star Game after three pitches,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this is unfortunate about not worried about Miserowski
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: from an injury perspective at all.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's a it's a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: profile where he is certainly living on that heat. You
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: can kind of see where the big league club just
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: kind of told him, like, hey, just throwing this zone
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: like you throw one hundred and one miles an hour.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: No one's touching this. It's just too nasty. And so
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: as long as he can get away with it, I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: think it'll work. But any the moment where Missie Rowski's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: fastball loses a tick or two, then I think we're
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: starting to talk about trouble. So I think I'm maybe
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: not quite as concerned as you are going through the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: rest of this season and even into twenty six. But
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: if you're looking in terms of long term dynasty value,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: this isn't This isn't Paul Skins This is not a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: guy who knows how to dot the edges at all
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: that he's going to he maybe he'll learn it, but
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: he certainly doesn't know it yet. So I think that's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: fair on Missy Raski. Okay. The next one that we
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: have in Milwaukee, though, this one is a little more concerning.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Is it relates to Jackson Curio. The youngster is going
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: on the IELT with a strained hamstring after I mean,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: he was starting to put it together a little bit
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: more where just kind of like last year, he started
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit slow, but when you kind of looked
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: back up his lines right where it was last year,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: like honestly right on the dot in terms of seventeen
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: homers eighteen stone bases to seventy six three eleven four
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: seventy four slash line. That's pretty much a copy and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: paste of his twenty twenty four rookie year. Even the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: WRC plus is one nineteen last year, one seventeen this year.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: So maybe not quite rounding into that next level where
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: we thought he might turn into like an easy first rounder.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Still probably a decent value for where you took him
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: in drafts at the beginning of the second round, just
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: because the floor was so great if you're talking to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: seventy five average with a twenty five to twenty five profile,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: But we are looking at somebody who, honestly, I can't
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: think of the last time we've talked about the twenty
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: one Jackson twenty one year old Jackson trio together. So
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I wanted to also check in on here because it
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the hamstring is too significant a little
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: bit more of Also, hey, they're trying to find a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: spot where they can make sure that they've rest him
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit. He is going to be out maybe
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: two to four weeks, but nothing in terms of like
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: etok parade as you know, types of concerns. So what
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: do you think about Cheerio going forward? Is this kind
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: of like do you think he is capped out at
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: more of this twenty five to twenty five profile or
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: do you think there is another level where he gets
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: into that Ronald Acunya forty forty superstar level.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I never want to predict a forty
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: forty kind of guy, but like, I think there's more
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: meat on the bone here. Like I he's been a
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: guy that just hasn't seemed to put it together for
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: a full season at this point, like it's been kind
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: of up and down than to your point. You kind
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: of look at but and it's been great like he
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: had in May where hit two thirty seven and hit
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: three bombs full nine, had nine steals where he hit
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: six bombs in May. In April and stole two bases.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just like he's been just a little
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: all over the place and just the floor has been incredible,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: but he hasn't put it fully together, and like he's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: he was actually doing relatively in July and making things
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: look look you know, relatively easy at this point. And
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: so you know, if he can just start to string
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: those things together, I don't think it's out of the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: question for him to do the damage he's doing. I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: think the easiest ballpark to do in it. No, but
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I you know, if I was to say thirty thirty,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: if you were just put it there, I definitely think
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: that he has that in him. And you know, flashes
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: of something more would not shock me. He's still just
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and this isn't like the end of
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: twenty one he was. He turned twenty one during I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: think spring training this year and So there is absolutely
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: a guy that I think has an up arrow and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: he still is a guy that I think we will
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: be talking about as a first rounder in the future.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And I don't think this injury it's it's not quite
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: the same thing as Miserowski, where like like it didn't
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: you couldn't even see it happened with Misterowski. Sure you'll
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: like actually got hurt on the field, But I don't
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: think it's that bad. I think it's one of those
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: that they're gonna use the opportunity to try to make
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: sure he's healthy, like they're in the driver's seat, and
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: then I'll central they want to have a healthy team
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: going to the playoffs, and they look like one of
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: the better teams in the league this year.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. Okay, next injury we have is another
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: one that's really gonna hurt. Considering this dude, he's he
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: really carried my RCL team in the Perts League for
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: a long time at first base, where things have been really,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: really shallow all season. We're talking Jonathan Ronda from the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays, who is hitting the shelf with a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: fractured wrist and suffered in a collision with Gian Carro
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Stanton at first base, which, yeah, not many risks are
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: going to win a battle with Gill Carlo Stanton, even
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: if he is only moving you want to talk about
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: slow sprint speeds. That dude is down there, but still
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: enough half to when he's coming down to fracture a
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: wrist as he has with Rondo. But great, great value.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Also a little bit of a pick, a breakout pick,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I think for lots of folks coming into the season,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: as it was pretty evident that Ronda was gonna get
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: full run for quite a while in Tampa, and he
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: made the most of it. Slashed three sixteen, three ninety four,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: four seventy eight for a one forty four WRC plus
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: tw homers in one hundred and three games. The risk
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: is concerning, though. You don't ever love to see risk
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: injuries and especially fractured risks unless your corp and Carol
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I guess, but this is a guy who probably considering
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: the draft costs and lots of leagues, cheap keeper for
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: lots of folks, pretty great dynasty keeper. He's only twenty
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: seven years old. I believe we haven't necessarily gotten like
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: official announcements, I believe, but the race should be in
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: Steinbrenner Field, probably at least for another season plus maybe
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: another like they might be there for a couple of years,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: and that right field porch has certainly helped around in
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: the power department here. So as you can tell, I've
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: really liked this profile, especially you give that you combine
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: it with the park, and then the Rays have just
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: been a better offensive team because of that. He's also
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: just a really really solid hitter. Just he's going to
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: finish third probably in this Well, he's not going to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: qualify for the batting title, but he's gonna end up
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: probably finishing third behind like Aaron Judge and either Peina
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: or Jacob Wilson. So what do you think about Ronda
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: going you know, more of a long term dynasty keeper situation.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably not as high on Ronda as some
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: others because he is blistering the ball and he has
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: been making that contact. His plate approach is not necessarily
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: the cleanest. I don't think he's always doing the best
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: from what he's picking out to hit. But the biggest
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: concern I have is like I feel like this is
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: a Yandi Diaz clone, which his stat cast always looks
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: better than the ultimate results because he doesn't lift the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: ball the way that he needs to. He's he's a
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: line drive hitter that randomly will hit home runs and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: he just doesn't put in the air enough to take
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: full full advantage of the solid contact is And there's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that from a real world baseball perspective.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: He's a very valuable player in that real world perspective,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: but in our game, where he isn't a speed guy,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: you need that to really manifest in in the power.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's where really his downfall is
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: going to be, is that he's going to be a
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: decent average guy and he's gonna be middling power, like
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking teens power, like Yandi Diaz maybe sniffing at
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: twenty here and there, and it's just gonna always look
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: better than it actually is. Is really my fear with
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Aronda here. So I'm I don't think it's a bad
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Dynasty play, but like, keep those expectations in check at
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: the Yandi Diaz expectations, which is the guy that looks
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: like he should be a top thirty hitter and it's
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: a top seventy hitter, Like that's who Yandy Diaz is.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's who Jonathan Ronda is, and I'm going
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: to temper the expectations. If that's what you're expecting a
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: seven top seventy eighty hitters, it's going to give you
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: some good power, some some good average, and a number
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: of counting stats. That's fine. That then you should be
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: pretty happy with that. But that's because the cost is
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: low for eminence.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think that's fair. All right, let's go
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: back to Baltimore where we've had lots of conversation today.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: But we're talking Grays and Rodriguez again. So we were
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: talking when he came down with the elbow pain the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: other week that we were both out, and now we
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: have since learned that he has undergone season ending elbow
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: de bridemint surgery, which I'm looking at this it's so vague.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: This is even like more concerning, I think than maybe
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: just like Tommy John because if you're looking at what
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: elbow de bride mint surgery can do, it can be
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: just cleaning up scar tissue under like an arthur'scopic surgery situation.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: It could be removing loose bodies. It can also be
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: removing a bone spur and kind of like shaving down
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: a bone spur within the elbow. Given the track record
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: here for Grayson Rodriguez, I almost want to say it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: probably is the bone spur which is the most significant
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: recovery timeline, because like, if it's just a cleaning up
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: of loose bodies, it looks like I mean, I'm no doctor,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: but Google is and it's telling me like that would
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: only take you know, four to six weeks to kind
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: of recover from, but if you're removing a bone spur,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: you're looking more like multiple months. And so totally lost
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: season for Grayson Rodriguez when I know plenty of folks
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: that were drafting him as like a number two starting
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: pitcher back in the spring. Shoulder issues, lat issues, elbow issues,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: elbow clean up. Now, no way I'm touching him, are
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: you No?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: I know I'm the king of this and no, I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: just I just can't do it at this point, Like
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: you just he has just not been able to stay healthy.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: And when he's healthy, he's a good picture. He really is.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: But man, I like, you know what, the over under
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: next year for starts is probably like like eight, like yeah,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: and maybe that's generous, and so like I'm just I'm very,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: very concerned that, uh, you're not gonna get things back,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: and I it's gonna be like almost a year and
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: a half fully without really being in competitive games. That's
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: also concerning as well. So yep, fully out Grayson Rodriguez.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Love the profile, love the talent, hate how it's ending.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And you're also he hasn't,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: like you said, didn't even ever get into like a
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: rehab situation like these are all injuries that cropped up
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: when he was just like doing mound sessions. So that's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: not encouraging either. Where Honestly, this is starting to look
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit like Daniel espino Ish where the shoulder
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: goes and just the rest of the kinetic change just
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: blows out on a pitcher. So certainly, I think anywhere
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Grayson Rogriez can just kind of be left for those
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: waiver wires, and if he does start kind of showing health,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: then I'll buy back in maybe, but it's going to
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: be a very very long road where to earn that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: trust back. Okay, next injury we have is this is
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: another one that's kind of lining up to be relatively concerning.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: We have Austin Riley going back in the aisle with
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: the same intercostal strain that he just had and returned from,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: just reaggravated that same injury. I think at this point
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Atlanta probably just shuts him down. Considering it's the reaggravation
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: of an old injury. You're also looking at where they
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: are at in the standings, and it is just not good.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: There's no reason for Austin Riley to see the field
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: again the season. Let him get healthy, come back next
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: year and try to run it back. Also, I mean,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: maybe a little extra run for our boy Nacho Alvarez Junior,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: who's back in the majors. But another kind of just
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: banged up season from Riley. If it's actually just like
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Jackson Truiro, you kind of take last year's twenty twenty
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: four production put up against twenty twenty five for Riley,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: they're pretty much mirror images of each other. He is
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: who he is in terms of two fifty five two
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: sixty hitter, you know, around a one tennis WRC plus
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: nowadays what would pace out to a round thirty homers,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: but one hundred and ten games last year, one hundred
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: and two games this year. What are you doing with
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Austin Riley going into next year, he's going to be
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: twenty nine. Aged twenty nine, turn twenty nine at the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: beginning of the season in April. But it is kind
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: of a profile where he was an all masher, kind
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: of a stiff dude. Honestly, this isn't the type of
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: profile that usually ages very well.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know, I'm I don't think age
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: is the biggest issue yet. To give us another three
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: or four years before I start to get concerned there,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: But like second straight year of injury after having you know,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: missed a total what like eight games three years before that,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: So like it's it's a really perplex scene, and I'm
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: with you. I think they have to show him down
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: the rest this year because the guys signed a ten
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: year contract like not too long ago, and so you
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: know he's got another what seven or eight years to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: go on the on that deal, so they absolutely have
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: to get him healthy. He's like, maybe that's one of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: the saving graces. I see that, Like, this is the
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: guy They're gonna do absolutely everything. I don't think this
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: is a Chris Davis situation where he's like off the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: map at your point when he plays he's good, and
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: yeah the number has been a little down the last
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: two years, but he's also been battling injuries. So like,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: assuming he was healthy, you know, fully healthy, I think
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: he still is that thirty homer, one hundred rbi two
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: sixty ish two fiftiest bat. You know, it's maybe trny
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: more to Ennio Sores profile than you know, something something greater,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: which that's not bad, but we're talking maybe more a
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: fifth to seventh rounder with with with some of that
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: risk that has the potential to do more. So I'm
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not fully out on on Riley, but like you
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: have to bake in the risk here, you just have
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: to expect maybe one hundred and twenty games from from
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Riley and if you get more, be happy with it.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: So think they're gonna get him healthy. I'm not fully
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: out on Riley, but I think there's a big biggle
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: warning sign going to the next year.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm right there, which also means I
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: don't think either of us are going to be rostering
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: too many Austin right, just because the draft price is
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: not going to fall to there.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see him still
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: going like the fourth.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, just because third base is still
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: going to continue to be pretty shallow, and I think
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: even with Manny Machado's like fantastic season, people are going
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: to see that age next to him and really knock
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: him back. Suarez same sort of thing. So uh yeah,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: it's going to be dicey kind of figuring out what
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: to do at the hot corner in twenty twenty six. Again, Okay,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: let's move on to our next injury. This concerns the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs, who maybe we should have put the team
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: on their on the fallers, Jed Hoyer just falling flat
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: on his face. I think at the deadline, considering this team, well,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe I should focus on Soroka first. Makes
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: one outing was their big acquisition at the deadline, third
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: inning bump shoulder. Honestly, this might be the end of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Michael Soroka's season two because this guy who has had
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: multiple shoulder issues as he was with Atlanta, and the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: way that he kind of left and was very quickly
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: subsequently placed on the al not exactly a great kind
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: of sequence of events there. But I do want to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: shift the conversation back here to the Cubs because what
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: are they doing, Like you have Kyle Tucker for one year,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Jed Hoorr did get an extension somehow and then just
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: kind of goes out and they're sitting on so much
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: trade capital and they just totally biffed it. This is
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: a team that's gonna I mean, I know we're not
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: exactly the most positive like Cubs people around here, but
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: this they're slated for a first round exit, right. You
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: can't what they've got on the on the team is
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: not going to hold up against the likes of the Mets,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers, the Brewers, even the Padres, the Phillies in
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and it's probably a wasted opportunity with what
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: they got out Kyle Tucker and probably career year out PCA.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: So what do you think is this? I'm baffled by
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: what the Cubs did at the deadline, are you?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: I absolutely am, Because you know you look at you
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: talk about career years, right you're looking here, Michael Bush.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Our argument on a career year PCA, probably career Carson
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Kelly absolutely a career year like that. They they're hitting
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: above their capability. But they're a good, good team and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: you know the bullpen has held together really well and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: you know, we love you know, uh Andrew Kittridge making
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: it over there, so it's, you know, a good move.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: But this this rotation is just so rough. It is.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: That's that's what their downfall is going to be. And
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: bringing Soroka over was like a consolation prize, Like it
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't a big move. They didn't, you know, go after
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: the big stars like Merril Kelly would have been like
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: what you needed to do here, and so rolling out
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Matthew Boyd and Colin Ray and Ben Brown and hopefully
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Imon Haga is gonna be, you know, the guy he
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: could he could be, Like that's what you're hoping for.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: So it's it's concerning. I think that they did kind
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: of botch this one, and I'm I'm thinking they're playing
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: with a house of cards the rest of the season,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: and yes, the first round exit might actually be the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: best case scenario. I'm sitting here going are they going
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: to make the playoffs? Because they've got a REDS team
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: that's not too chairly far behind him doing some damage.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: They have the padres in the Mets definitely breathing down
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: their their Okay, let's not go that far, but like
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't know if their playoff odds
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: are right right now, but I feel like whatever they
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: are is overstated. Uh, here we go. Playoff odds for
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: the Cubs right now are ninety seven percent, which feels hot.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I feel significantly high because I think there's some other
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: teams that can definitely make a run with them, and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be the vulnerable team the rest
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: of the season.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the one thing about the Reds is the strength
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: of scheduled on the stretch is brutal, and so that
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: is why they're kind of hanging in it. That's why,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: like it was a little weird when they were just
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: like I think there were like two games out of
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: the wild Card and their playoff odds were like below
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: ten percent. Still because it's a rough stretch for the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Reds down the stretch, but I agree that it's going
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: to be. It's just such a blown opportunity for the Cubs,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: where like I think the reason I'm really negative on
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: them so much is that like this team could be
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers, that could be the Mets. It has a
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: lot of the pieces that those teams, yes, in terms
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: of like the national presence, the ownership of their own network,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: the just all of Wrigleyville being built out and owned
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: by the It's like there's a lot of powder that
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: they could be using that they don't, and it's just
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: kind of perplexing, especially like as a Cardinal slash White
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Sox fan, where Like again, those constraints that those owners
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: the ownerships groups put on the teams are a little
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: bit like self owning, like, but they don't also have
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: the tier of being able to get into the type
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: of money and contracts that the Cubs certainly could. So
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: it's a it's an odd franchise, I would say.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: It is, and you're just waiting like this is the
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: year they make the big splash and free agency and
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: go all in. Nope, it doesn't happen.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Nope. Okay, let's get on to our next injury, because
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: this one does hurt a little bit. We have Tommy
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Edmin going to the iel with a sprained ankle, and
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: you saw it right off the bat. He twisted it
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: like on on base hit and was rounding the base.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I believe it was against the Cardinals this week, so
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: it was it stood out right away. This is maybe
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: a victory lap we shouldn't have taken in mid April,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: and now that I'm looking back on it, because I
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: think we probably did it around. You can see right
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: after like April sixteenth, the first twenty games, he had
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: popped six homers, hit two sixty three and was still
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: kind of like all the projections were putting him in
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: like a twenty five to twenty five season. One thing
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: that we might have overlooked is out of those first
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: twenty games, six of them came against the Nationals and
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: the Rockies, and another three came against the Braves, who
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: we didn't know were bad yet. And so there's a
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: little bit of like just that in the mix. Because
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: when you look at up at it, you want to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: talk about another guy who just kind of found his
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: level by the time the season were on. It was
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Tommy Edmond. He's right back where he was in terms
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: of battling constant injuries, not hitting the ball very hard,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: eighty ish WRC plus a little bit of pop. No
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: speed though, because I think the Dodgers are trying to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: limit him, and so I think I'm back on the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: outs with Tommy Edmund. What about you?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: I think so like maybe the worst thing for Tommy
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Edmund was the power barage he did in the playoffs
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: last year, because like that just raised the expectations doing
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: that for the Dodgers team, Like that's who. That was something.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: But now like Edmunds, it's it's not it's a weird
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: injury history here, Like it's not like one of those
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: guys where it's like a core injury all the time
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: or they really have the like leg injuries he has,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: like wrist and ankle issues like and and those are
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: pretty important when you play baseball. I get like your
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: backs and all the other like, but that like it's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: it's odd. This seems like that's always what it is,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: like the soft tissue type of ligament injuries that are
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: just kind of draining away. And for all the talent
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: that he has and he can play all over the field,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: he's you know, gold glove in his past. Like there's
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: a lot to like here from Edmund, but man, it
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: just seems like every time he tries to get back
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: and finally getting trenched somewhere, it just does not happen.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: You know. Being a Cardinals fan and seeing them giving
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: away for peanuts, I was not happy about that, but
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: it just seems like maybe they did know something that
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: the Dodgers were. I think the Dodgers probably knew it too,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: and they just had the resources to take a chance
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: on it. But yeah, I think the edmund you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: I it's outside of the positional eligibility. The value is
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: not very much there anymore.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: No, No, because it's actually like it's a profile. When
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: you have that position on eligibility, you actually want a
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: little bit more of like that Wheely cashtro set up,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: where it's more speed, more average, because it just kind
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: of helps paper over things where if it's just middling
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: power and the speed's not there and he's hitting like
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: two forty, it's just really not even worth kind of
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: keeping around at that point. Okay, well we're out of
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: the injury kind of weeds. Now we have one we
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: want to talk about. And this is another guy who
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I was kind of putting together to roster early. I
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: think you actually this week wrote some denigrating things about him.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: So we have a little bit of a disagreement, which
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen too often in this podcast. We're talking Cjkafis
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: of the Cleveland Guardians, who was promoted and is playing
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: a combination of first base and right field, essentially just
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: taking over Nolan Jones's job because Nolan Jones just does
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: not look like a big leaguer and so Cafus is
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: stepping into that role. At Triple A. Before his call up,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: was hitting three hundred and three ninety five thirty nine
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: for a one fifty one WRC plus fourteen homers in
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: eighty six games. He's twenty three years old, in twelve
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: plate appearances, sixteen plate appearances. He's got four more today
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: and put together two more hits, so that's going to
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: help me. It's up to the average, but it's a
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: little bit more of an elvak rate. But again we're
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: only talking sixteen plate appearances. I liked him just because
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: he's never not mashed throughout the minor leagues. Double digit
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: walk rates, the k's I could live with because of that,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: where if you're mashing, you're walking. I'm okay with it.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: But what flaw do you see in him that you
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: don't like Cafas?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're absolutely right. Like when I first started
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: looking deeper into him, like he's always hit everywhere, it's like, okay,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: this is good. And then the thing that really concerned.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: There's two things, Like there is definitely a little platoon
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: play in the profile. He definitely has some platoon risk there.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: But the bigger thing is like he seems to have
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: feasts on fastballs in the minors and just absolutely crushed them.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: And I don't have it in front of me, I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: pull it up, but I saw some stats that basically
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I'm from a breaking ball perspective, he was hit like
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: two hundred, like with one homer, Like he has not
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: hit breaking balls at all this season, and I think
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: that's really that's the kind of thing gets exploited quickly
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: in the majors, and if you have tune risk, you
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: can't hit the breaking ball, which means there's a big
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: old hole somewhere in your swing. And I'm not convinced
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: on the full time playing time. I just think that
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: at this point they have nothing else to prove in
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: the minors and so like they're gonna kind of shuffle
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: them around. Like there's just like too many concerns for me,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: uh for this year. I think long term that you know,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: I'm still interested in intrigued by Capus, but he still
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: has some development to do. And that's why for at
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: least for this year. I'm not I'm not buying. I
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: think long term he's still maybe a top eight to
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: ten first base outfieldish prospect, but I'm it's still not
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: a guy that I'm like jumping out of my C
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: two after because I just think it's too easy to exploit.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair because that I mean there
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: is now that I look at it, there is. Honestly,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: That's what Nolan Jones's problem is too, is that like
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: he could only hit fastballs. Actually he can't even hit
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: fastballs anymore, so well, really do it for you? Yeah?
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: That will? So that is that's an intriguing thing with
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Cafus is maybe to keep an eye on it too,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: if like you're also looking for that corner turn into
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: something where it's a dependable star. If he starts finding
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: an approach against sliders. That was always kind of like
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Matt Olsen's like when he jumped to that next level
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: of being an upper tier all star was learning to
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: hit sliders and having an approach that we'll see if
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Cafus can learn that at the big leagu global only
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: twenty three years old, so plenty of time to still
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: fully develop. But there's two routes that you can see
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: where you can go. Now, yep, Okay, let's get into
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: some other news that first last week, when we were
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: going through and rattling through the entire show, we actually
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: didn't even have like a normal subject because there's just
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: so much trade deadline and injury talk to get through.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: This was one of the stories that we didn't get
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: to talk about that I thought would be a little
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: fun to bring back up. There was a little bit
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: of a spat between the Philadelphia Phillies and Rob Manfred
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: as Manfred has been going around to these various locker
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: rooms and trying to do a little spiel where he's
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: also just totally like giving away what he's trying to
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: do in terms of beating the players in this upcoming
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: labor battle, is just trying to buddy up to them
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: and find a different route to talk directly to some
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: of the players that might not have gotten their bigger
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: chunk of the pie yet and telling them, hey, you
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: could get a bigger chunk, YadA, YadA, yadda. I think
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: we all kind of know how labor relations and owners
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: go in not only Baseball but America at large. So
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: like I'm not sure how well Rob Manfred's message has
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: been landing, but we know it certainly did not land
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: with one Bryce Harper. And this is a what of
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: a fantastic kind of like story here that apparently when
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: he went into he being Rob Manfred went into the
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: Phillies locker room, they were not necessarily having anything to
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: do with that message, and eventually Bryce Harper came up
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: to him and told him to get the f out,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: and Rob Bnfred said, I will not get the f out.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: And also within the relays of these stories, Bryce Harper
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: was holding a bat throughout this too, which is kind
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: of intriguing, but it's just also a pretty cool turn
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: I think in terms of Harper has always become more
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: and more likable. I think as he's kind of been
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia between I love all the Fanatics gear that
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: he wears, the Philly Fanatic gear, not the Fanatics the
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: other you know, corporate unity that we denigrate a lot.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: But this is kind of Max Scherzer took this turn too,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: where he became like a big labor person during the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: last battle, and so any thoughts here in terms of
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: like where we're going with this labor battle after the
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: end of this CBA, because it's looking like it's going
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: to be pretty contentious and it's gonna involve some pretty
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: in sense personalities between the likes of Bryce Harper's and
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Mechschuers yours is against your Manfred's as well as like
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: some of the former players that he's been reeling into
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: between like C. C. Sabbathia, Mark de Rosa was apparently
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: in this meeting and was trying to like back up
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: Manfred as well too. So it's been just a fascinating
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: story to see kind of where the dividing lines are
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: starting to form for this CBA battle, because it's gonna
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: be very contentious, and honestly, I'm very concerned that we're
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: gonna lose big chunks of baseball because they do seem
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: to be, just like in other realms of this country nowadays,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: just a polarization that has happened where it's gonna be
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: tough to find the middle ground.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this is some kind of folk
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: tale where just every time you hear about it just
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: gets larger and larger and more ridiculous. Like I don't
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: really know what happened. There's some type of confrontation and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Harper standing up like it was like first was like
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: at the end of the meeting, he kind of had
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: a hard discussion with them and they went their separate ways.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: It's like at the beginning of the meeting that he
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: was got a bat like. I don't know what actually happened,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: but I think the takeaway is exactly what you said,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: is that the last time we went through this and
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: there was the lockout risk, which you know did come
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: to fruition, there felt like there was a lot more
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: to lose, Like baseball was not in the same space
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: that it is today. And I feel like both sides,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: players and owners see that the game is in a
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: really healthy spot and they aren't concerned with the health
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: of the game. They're more concerned with taking care of themselves.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: And that's the worst thing for the fans because I
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: think that there is a high high likelihood of a
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: lockout here and it's not gonna be the shortest one
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: and the only losers they are the fans, and that's
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: that's unfortunate. And also from a fantasy perspective, be careful
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: in your rebuild leagues. You got to go for it
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: next year because you don't know what the year after
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: that looks like and so it's a really interesting dynamic
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: of don't sell too early in your dynasty keeper leagues
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: because you might be waiting for two years.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. That is going to be fascinating
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: how we handle that going into next year, because that
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: is who knows like and what kind of how many
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: games we might get in twenty twenty six is another
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: factor because if you look at like the sixty game
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: season from twenty twenty, you can actually look at like
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: some of the historic performances that happened in like our leagues.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: It was bananas. It was just a total crapshoot because
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: over sixty games, anybody can win in terms of then
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: you layered on the whole COVID thing. But I mean
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: you just look at some of the ups and downs.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you had had twenty games of Tommy
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Edmond in April, you'd be sitting pretty pretty pretty in
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: your standings, you know, in a sixty game season. So
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: it will be really how do you play that going
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: into the tail end of next year. So I will
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: actually mark that down. I mean, assuming we're still going
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: as a podcast. I would hope we still are, but.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hope you know, I hope that you stick this out.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: I mean I might hold pull a hammy here there,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: but I can make it off the injured list.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for getting in there. So okay, we are
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: going to wrap up with a little bit of card
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: news before we take a break to talk about the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Player of the Month PC for July. So, first bit
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: of news that we have is that we were worried
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: about this when TOPS Chrome came out and we discovered
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: that PCA Pete crow Barmstrong and Cal Rowley, who were
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: both kind of neck and neck with Aaron Judge and
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: sho Hey Otani for the MVP, we're not in the
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: regular TOPS Chrome because they were doing the MVP buybacks again.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Tops in the meantime has announced that TOPS Chrome Update
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: cards will work, so the same thing will apply. It's
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: just gonna honestly, the price of TOPS Update TOPS Chrome
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Update is going to shoot through the roof because of
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: this because right now, I mean, the Aaron Judge injury
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: that happened was pretty brief, but we'll see how it
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: affects this play going forward. Cal Raley's also kind of
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: cooled off a little bit too, so it's they're still
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: pretty neck and neck. Pete kar Armstrong is also cooled
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: off a little bit, but in terms of war, he
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: is starting to pull ahead of Otani because of the defense.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna kind of see how those things settle.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: A little bit of what we talked about with the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Cubs might come to play there for Pete kar Armstrong,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: but you also have the likes of Fornamo Tatist juniors
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: entering this discussion. Bobby Witt junior, Kyle Schwarber, Jose or
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: Carldo Perdomo is eleventh right now in total war in
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: the league, which won't be in there, but that's kind
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: of fascinating. So there's lots of other different ways this
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: can kind of dip and dive over the next two months.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: So what do you think about this? Do you think
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: it is a little bit too cheesy of tops to
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: also include update or do you think it's the right move.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's the right move, but it is an
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: unfortunate move because it takes little bit of the fun
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: out of it, which the fun with it being in
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Chrome was you didn't know who was gonna be and
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: so you're like, okay, should I you know, hoard my
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Aaron Judge cards or should I hold onto these? Whereas
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: when the timing of Chrome update, you probably already know
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: the MVP, and so it's just like up pull this guy,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Like it takes a little bit of that kind of
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: marketplay out of it. Like I said, I'm actually looking
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: at the MVP odds that just as of today, and
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: you know, Aaron Judge has the decent lead on Kyle
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Rally from like a betting perspective, Otani has the lead
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: in the NL, but it's actually Shorber who's moving up
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: that list as far as Vegas beliefs, and then PCA
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: behind him. And so Shorber actually is the one that
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: maybe is a little intriguing because I think he was
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: actually in Chrome. Maybe I'm wrong. So I think that
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: that is actually the really the interesting wrinkles that somebody
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: else is kind of sneaking in here. Maybe Tony gets
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: in the end or you know, slows down. I think
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: there's also there's risks for Otani and Judge, and I
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: would say kind of it's it's what we saw with
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: like Albert Poolholes and even Mike Trout, like there's this
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: like fatigue MVP voter fatigue thing that goes on where
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: there's like I want a new new guy, and so
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not certain that Otani and Judge, even if they
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: deserve a merit where we'll be slammed dunks this year.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's very fair. So and Colee Schwarber
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: cards are very very cheap, so certainly it could pay
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: off handsomely if that does come to fruition, because he's
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: in common boxes everywhere.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm thinking that that might be a really sneaky play.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: If I'm in the diamond boxes or something like that
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: and pick up a big old stack of Schwarber chromes
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: or some numbered things like that, that might be a
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: sneaky play right now, because the end of the day,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: if you buy a low numbered Shwarber for five bucks,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: and you can sell it for five bucks and then
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: in the off season most likely so say you heard
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: it here, first go pick up some college forward cards.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or even just snagging like two dollars worth of like,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: you know, eight base cards like that can pay off
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: pretty handsomely, considering if those would pay back at twenty
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: bucks apiece, So something to consider over the next few months.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Then we have the baseball card calendar for the releases
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: coming up as we're speaking here. On August sixth actually
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: had the release of twenty twenty five TOPS Archived Signature
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Series Active Players Edition. If not familiar with this product
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: is it's a one card box that goes for I
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: think they're going for like one hundred and thirty dollars
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: nowadays they used to be going for like eighty, which
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: is crazy considering you get one card, one shot. And
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: what it is is TOPS with these buybacks, they take
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: cards that were out in the market, bring them back,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: put a new stamp on them, have the player sign them,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: and turn in a bunch of common cards into one
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: of ones out of nowhere, which is I think it's
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: kind of fun, but like when you're paying one hundred
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: and thirty dollars for this lottery ticket, not so fun.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not. And then you gotta be really careful
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: because I've seen some of like these, like first Bowman's
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: they get bought back and then numbered of like one
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: of one and you're like I found the one on
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: one of like you're like whoa, whoa wait wait, like
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: it got broke out because they come in uh uh
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: one touch with a seal on it. Somebody breaks down
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: the seal all of a sudden, like you if you
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: don't see the stamp or whatever, like look what I hit.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh no, it's it's it's not it's
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a one to bee.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Plus we have seen in the past where Tops will
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: take like multiple of the same card and make multiple
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: one of ones over several years. With this, yeah, so
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: like it's a it is just it has really jumped
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: the shark.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Like I thought it's some Tops quality control. It's just
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: for sure here.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: I've had some fun with these over the past, but
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: like I mean, honestly, I've picked up one of one
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Ozzie's of these. This we're talking Active Players Edition here,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: which is even worse honestly than the Retired Players edition
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: because the entire players is usually chok full of Hall
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: of Famers. But like I paid eighty bucks for the
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: ones of ones of Ozzi and that's a sure fire,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: very collectible Hall of Famer. When you're paying one hundred
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: and thirty bucks up front. There are otanis and stuff
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: buried in there.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: But like, yes, it's thin though it's thin, so yes,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: So that is the released today.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Next week we got a pair of releases. On eight twelve,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: we have twenty twenty Tops Finest. On eight thirteen, we
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: have twenty twenty five Tops Prism eight fifteen. This one
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: got pushed back again. It's the second time I believe
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: it's been pushed back.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: We've been some of us for a while.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Panini Boys. This summer twenty twenty five, eight twenty nine,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: we have twenty twenty five Panini Impeccable. There's still a
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: lot of cards coming because we have not seen Alan
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: and Genter come out, which usually is a spring release.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: We'll have Tops update coming out soon. We'll have Chrome
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: update coming out soon. We'll have Stadium Club coming. There's
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: a lot that's going to be backed into the second
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: or honestly last quarter of twenty twenty five, so releases
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: that will be coming on that schedule. All Right, we're
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: going to take another short break, but we will be
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: back to discuss the July Player of the Month PC.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: So stick around, all right, Welcome back everybody to Act three.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: This is probably gonna be our favorite act because we
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: love doing this. Every month we are doing the Player
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: of the Month PC. This is also an important time
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: to go into those show notes or go to rasball
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: dot com. Actually go to both. Go to into the
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: show notes. Look at all the hard work I put
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: in there to link all the stuff out for you.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: It uh, it's not exactly easy, so you can check
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: that out. But do go to rasball dot com look
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: at the post related to this pod as well, because
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: not only will you be able to see all of
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: those show notes and be able to support us at
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: ras ball with a subscription if you would like to
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: help you win your fantasy leagues down the stretch, but
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: on the post, we'll have pictures of all of the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: cards that we're going to talk about here, all in
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: one spot, so you can peruse them, look at them
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: and not just have to listen to us talk about
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: trying to describe what these cards look like. If you're
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: not familiar with what we're doing here and it's your
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: first time listening to this pod. What we do on
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: a monthly basis is we go back and align with
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: what MLB's player the month choices were for the Hitter
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: of the month, the Picture of the month, and the
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the month to make a pod personal collection
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: PC selections that we put into our little collection, our
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: little haul this month. We actually we were pretty good
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: about not spending tons of money we had the chance to.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we do go big, sometimes we go home and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes go with some smaller base cards, stuff that you
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: can actually build out and collect, so you can put
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: together a little bit of a PC on the side
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: to follow along with this pod. I think we've got
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: some fun selections this month because when's the last time
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: we've had won these discussions and we haven't had Aaron
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Judge or show Heyo Tani featured.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's it's fun when I don't have to
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: go back and look me like have I picked this
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: card before? Like there's a little of that this time,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: but really just for two guys, And yeah, it's I've
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: got enough Otani Auto's my collection and I've cheated over
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: time to try to get like some dual like Otani
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: trouts in there. Like there's some fun stuff. Don't get
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: me wrong, But to your point, I think we're a
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: little bit more budget conscious this time around, but it
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: was still just as fun.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. So we're going to start with the
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: al side because the hitter and the rookie was the
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: same and this is a guy who we probably should
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: have given flowers to last week because another story we
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: kind of glossed over in another mayor than Pod last
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: week because we just didn't have the time. We're talking
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: the athletic first baseman Nick Kurtz, who not only had
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: that amazing maybe the best offensive game of all time
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: for homers, six for six with all six of those
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: were extra base hits eight rbi. I mean the fourth
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: homer did come off of a position player, so there's
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit of an aster.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Hey, but he got robbed of a fifth homer because
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: he one of those doubles. There was like feet away
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: from being a homer. And like when you're talking about
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: greatest game in history, if that would have gone out,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: this would have been like the greatest hitting game in history,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: no questions.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and has been electric, totally on fire, exactly
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: what I think we both expected. Also, I'm just kind
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: of glad that in my posts I don't have to
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: answer any more questions about whether or not to drop
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Nick Kurtz, because if anybody did, whoopsie, because in July
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: he hit three ninety five with eleven bombs and a
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: fourteen thirty three ops his slugging for the month nine
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: fifty three in July, as he is just absolutely a
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: glittering the ball, probably what like a second rounder for
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: fantasy next year, probably at this pace is gonna be
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: a hot commodity. And the A's will still be playing
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: in that minor league ballpark in Sacramento, So gonna be
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: a pretty significant player for our fantasy game. The card
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: prices are starting to shoot through the roof through Nick Kurtz.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: We did cover him last month because he was our
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Month in June. But we've got two
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: new cards here for July. So what direction did you go?
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, we covered last month. We were
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit higher in. We got some of that
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: base stuff that you have to have in any PC
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: of you know, first bowman type, that kind of stuff.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: And so I want to go a little bit further
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: off the beaten path and everyone in while we'd like
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: to dig into this and drop down to the minor
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: league cards. And I'm not talking like your bowman products here.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the good old choice products here, which is,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the one of the most common
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: providers of minor league team cards. And we're going with
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: his twenty twenty five Las Vegas Aviators Choice card, which
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: is you know, you can get an eBay for eight
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: dollars by it. Now, it's not even doesn't even have
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: a number on it. It's just a straight card of
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Nick Kurtz, a little bit of stats from Stockton Midland
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. Actually, never mind, there's card number
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: twenty one just barely hidden in there, so card number
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: twenty one, But it's just as much of an advertisement
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: for the Aviators team with all the websites and logos
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: and things on it is it is for the actual
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: card himself, and he just listed as an infielder on
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: the front of the car, just if like Nick Kurtz
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: is not just not playing across the enfield folks, this
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: is this is a first basement. But I also just
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: love the difference between like the minor league jerseys, which
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: you're basically like it's this is a home white with
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: an LV on it for Las Vegas and nothing else
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: like basic it's gonna be Aviator's actually have a pretty
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: cool logo, so that's also fun as well, and so
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: just a fun, you know, oddball card that you know,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: if Nick Kurtz's career keeps going the way it's going,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: like it could be just a kind of fun little
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: thing to have, you know, down the road, because he
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: did not play many games in the minors for any teams,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: let alone Las Vegas here before he made it up
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: to the Athletics.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean it's a sharp design for a
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: minor league card too, a little bit of a throwback
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: to the nineteen eighty two tops design with the kind
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: of like almost like racing stripes. I'm not exactly, but
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: just kind of there's pervy stripes and so like. It's
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: a it's a sharp little design for a minor league card.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Usually they're not exactly well put together, but I like
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: this card.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Great pick yep, So where did you go? Did you?
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: Did you go big with Nick Kurtz?
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: No, this one is gonna it has some pretty high
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: prices because it hasn't been officially released yet. It is
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: a tops Now card. I'm looking at the twenty twenty
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: five tops Now number four sixty four. It's gonna be
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: a rookie card for Nick Kurtz. It's to commemorate the
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: four homer game. I think you had to go this route.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a crazy huge print run. I think
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: it's like fifty six thousand or something like that. Insane,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: And so you're looking at a very common card. The
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: pre sales on them are pretty hefty. It's actually more
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: than you would have paid directly through TOPS. But I
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: think it will come down over time. I think if
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: you are starting a Nick Kurts PC though, this card's
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: got to be in there to commemorate his historic four
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: for four homer game and is going to be a
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: card to where like most tops Now card our cards
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: are not worth the money or worth the cardboard they're
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: printed on, you know, just because they don't really commemorate
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: anything that cool. You know, maybe it's like a two
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: homer game or a walk off homer, but like, yeah,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: it's not anything to the level of this kind of
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: four homer game. So you got your kind of classic
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: tops Now design where it's futuristic but still kind of
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: harkens back to some of the standard TOPS designs. But
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: I think you're not going to be able to go
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: wrong with this card. It's going to be a pretty
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: solid five to ten dollars rookie card as long as
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: it's in existence and Nick Kurtz is around.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a great call because there, to me,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: tops Now there's certain there's probably two key reasons to
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: have tops Now cards. It's these historic games, so like
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: the Atani fifty to fifty, the Poohole seven hundred home run,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: those kind of things are just cool to have a
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: card that commemorates that. I think the other side of
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: it is if you like to go to games and
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: something happens in the game that you're at, that's just
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: kind of a fun way to collect mebe a little
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: rainbow of that, that kind of thing. I know I've
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: done that with a game I've gone to before. It's
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: just kind of a fun little niche in the hobby
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, I was there, I witnessed this. That
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Usually not like a two homer game.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: It's usually there's something else going going on that makes
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: it worth it. Right. But I think this is a
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: great call because I this is the kind of card
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: like for Now you have to pay pay up more
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: than sticker price. In like three months, you're gonna find
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: them all over the place for like two dollars because
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: they much printing, and then over time it's gonna go
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: back up. So it's it's gonna be a fun one.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you're gonna be able to pick these up
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: left and right, because the thing with stops now is
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: people are searching for the parallels, and so they will
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: buy them in bulk. They will buy ten, fifty, one
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: hundred of them, and then they'll get their parallel. Hope
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: they hope they get their parallel or something like that,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: and that's where you know the fun is. And then
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: they throw these all in a bargain bin or something
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: like that. They flood eBay those kind of things, and
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: the prices drop pretty quickly right after the release.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, official print run on that card, it's gonna be
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: fifty three thousand,