Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Brother Mark (5/9/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. One
- 0:04of the people that we don't talk about too often
- 0:07as far as the Jeffrey Epstein case goes, is Jeffrey
- 0:11Epstein's brother Mark Epstein. Now there has been some questions
- 0:15about their business ties together and about what ties they
- 0:20had as far as any sort of illegal enterprise. Now
- 0:24nothing has been proven one way or the other. And
- 0:26in fact, the Feds haven't even really engaged in the
- 0:30sort of financial investigation that they should have, especially considering
- 0:35all of the information that has been available throughout this
- 0:39whole entire thing. Now, we have had a lot of
- 0:42lip service, a lot of platitudes from the federal government
- 0:46and from investigators telling us that co conspirators are going
- 0:49to be brought down, that they're still investigating people, and
- 0:53that there's going to be movement. Well, here we are,
- 0:57and now all we see so far is Gallaine Maxwell
- 1:00being prosecuted, but nothing else. No Sarah Kelln Vickers, no
- 1:06talk about going after Andrew hard, no talk about any
- 1:10of the men who have been accused of abusing Virginia.
- 1:15So is what exactly is the federal government doing about
- 1:19these co conspirators. Well, today We're going to talk about
- 1:23Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark and their business ties, and to
- 1:29do that we have an article from The Intelligencer headlined
- 1:35Jeffrey Epstein's curious ties to his brother's real estate business.
- 1:40This article was authored by James D. Walsh. Jeffrey Epstein's
- 1:46apparent suicide over the weekend likely means that his criminal
- 1:49case will not proceed, but in a statement on Saturday,
- 1:53Attorney General William Barr issued a sharp warning any co
- 1:57conspirators should not rest easy. There has been plenty of
- 2:01speculation as to whom may be held responsible for helping
- 2:05or enabling Epstein from his alleged madam you mean co
- 2:08conspirator and general all around scuzbag Glain Maxwell to the
- 2:12attorneys who handled his business dealings for decades. While he
- 2:16has not been accused of involvement in the sex offenders' crimes,
- 2:20new details about Jeffrey Epstein's younger brother, Mark Epstein have
- 2:24raised questions about their business ties and how close the
- 2:28pair really were. Now, Mark Epstein, let's be very clear here,
- 2:33has not been accused of abusing any women or anything
- 2:36like that. What we're talking about here is his business
- 2:39ties with Jeffrey Epstein. He had the building over on
- 2:44East sixty six, and we know that's where a lot
- 2:46of the traffic girls were kept. But if there's any
- 2:50money left over from the estate, which there shouldn't be,
- 2:54guess who gets it all. That's right, mister Mark Epstein.
- 3:01Jeffrey and Mark grew up together in the Seagate community
- 3:04in Brooklyn. Mark, who is a year and a half
- 3:06younger than his brother, went on to start a silk
- 3:09screening business, and having semi retired at age thirty nine,
- 3:13he dabbled in real estate and philanthropy. Semi retired at
- 3:17age thirty nine. Yo. Talk about a dream, come Drue.
- 3:22I'm forty two right now, and to think about retiring
- 3:25and doing whatever I want for however long I want,
- 3:28for the rest of my life is just an amazing thought. Unfortunately,
- 3:33I do what I have to do eighty percent of
- 3:35the time, and I only get to do what I
- 3:37want to do about twenty percent of the time. And
- 3:40you have all of these rich, disgustingly rich people out
- 3:43there that can do whatever they want with their time,
- 3:46and they choose to spend it abusing people. It is
- 3:51just unbelievable to me. That there's people like that out there.
- 3:54But guess what, folks, there's a whole host of them.
- 3:57And the problem certainly didn't start her stop at Jeffrey Epstein.
- 4:04In two thousand and nine, Mark was named chair of
- 4:06the Cooper Union board that ended with his resignation in
- 4:10twenty fifteen after the school's controversial decision to begin charging
- 4:15students tuition for the first time in the college's one
- 4:18hundred and fifty year history. So, so far, so good, right,
- 4:22nothing that looks so bad. Guy that wants to be
- 4:24part of the community. Okay, the Epstein's brothers relationship in
- 4:30adulthood is opaque? Now, is that by design? We know
- 4:35that Jeffrey Epstein was working in the shadows, we know
- 4:37that he was an asset, We know that he knows spycraft,
- 4:41and we know he knows how to cover his tracks.
- 4:43So was this by design? In filings, the US Attorney
- 4:49for the Southern District had said Jeffrey had no known
- 4:52immediate family and no meaningful family ties. Yet in two
- 4:57thousand and nine deposition, Mark said that he he knew
- 5:00Donald Trump flew on Jeffrey's plane numerous times and that
- 5:03he'd personally seen Trump on his brother's plane once they
- 5:08were good friends. Mark recently told The Washington Post, I
- 5:10know Trump is trying to distance himself, but they were.
- 5:14After Jeffrey pleaded not guilty last month the sex trafficking
- 5:17of miners, Mark offered his Florida home to guarantee his
- 5:20brother's bond. Now, look, there is no doubt that Trump
- 5:25and Epstein were breaking bread all the way up until
- 5:28they had their falling out. And people will go back
- 5:31and forth about what that falling out was over a
- 5:33real estate deal gone bad, girls being trafficked at mar
- 5:36A Lago. But what happened for sure is that there
- 5:39was a falling out. But up until that point, anyone
- 5:42who's out here trying to act like Trump wasn't boys
- 5:45with this dude is crazy. Donald Trump has been a
- 5:48notorious womanizer for years. He was running these pageants. You
- 5:53all know how I feel about people men who were
- 5:55running any kind of beauty pageant. What's your real motivation? Bro?
- 5:59What are you doing, old ass, gross dude, fatty shit
- 6:02sitting around oogling over all these young girls. Come on, man,
- 6:06get it together. I see right through that shit. So Trump, Epstein,
- 6:11les Wexner, any of these dirtbags who were running these
- 6:14stupid ass pageants and stuff. I mean, you're not making
- 6:18money on that shit, right, that's not a big money
- 6:21making operation. That so you can google over these girls.
- 6:25And for Jeffrey Epstein and les Wexner, well it was
- 6:28for something else, right, to recruit these girls. Last month,
- 6:34Mark told Crane's New York that he had no business
- 6:37connection to his brother, But document show that Mark's real
- 6:41estate business, OSA Properties is linked to Jeffrey Epstein in Company,
- 6:46the company through which Jeffrey managed retail billionaire Leslie Wesner's assets.
- 6:52So the ties were there, right, But the SDNY once again,
- 6:57Well they came out and said, well, he has no
- 6:58familial ties, no, no close family. What are you talking about.
- 7:02He has a brother, doesn't he an employee at OSA Properties.
- 7:07Jonathan Barrett, who was also an asset manager for Jay
- 7:10Epstein in Company, told Cranes that the connection between the
- 7:15two companies was a mistake, reminiscent of the recording error
- 7:19that linked private equity tycoon Leon Black's foundation to Jeffrey
- 7:23years after he was convicted of soliciting a minor for
- 7:26prostitution in Florida. Well, we know that wasn't a mistake. Okay,
- 7:30none of this was a mistake. You really think people
- 7:34that have this kind of money, that are in these
- 7:36kinds of positions of power make those kinds of mistakes.
- 7:39They do not. This is all by design, and they
- 7:42were all rolling with each other because they felt like
- 7:45Epstein was being protected. I am a thousand percent convinced
- 7:49of that at this point. There is no other reason
- 7:52why these people would be safeguarding their money with Epstein
- 7:55unless Epstein could provide assurances that he had other people
- 7:58safeguarding it for them. At the center of the curious
- 8:07connection between Mark's real estate company and his brother is
- 8:10a condominium at three to zero one East sixty sixth Street,
- 8:13a fifteen minute walk from Jeffrey's mansion on East seventieth Street.
- 8:18Mark owns the majority of the units in the Bland
- 8:21sixteen story, two hundred unit building, which he purchased from
- 8:25Wexner in the early nineteen nineties. Another tie to Les Wexner,
- 8:30you mean to tell me, as an investigator for the DOJ,
- 8:33you don't look at all of this and say, oh
- 8:35my god, this is a dream come true. They dropped
- 8:38this rico into my lap, I'm gonna prosecute all of
- 8:40these people, and then I'm gonna run for president on
- 8:43that shit, because you know, all of these prosecutors want
- 8:46other jobs, right, so go make your bones. Remember in
- 8:49the old days, that's how it worked. I know Rudy
- 8:53Giuliani isn't the most favored guy in the world these days,
- 8:56and understandably so. But remember it was Rudolph Giuliani who
- 9:01went after the mafia in such a fashion that pretty
- 9:04much brought them down, and then he rode that into
- 9:07his political office. Right. So, if you're a hard charging
- 9:10prosecutor and you go after real scumbags, you can propel
- 9:14yourself from that into the stratosphere of politics. And nobody
- 9:20has decided to do it. That should tell you, folks,
- 9:22just how dangerous this situation is for people, how volatile
- 9:27it is. Marcus said his brother does not own a
- 9:32share of the building, but for years Jeffrey allegedly housed friends, employees,
- 9:37and associates, and apartments in the buildings, including models connected
- 9:41to mc squared, the modeling agency in which he invested.
- 9:45The Daily Beasts recently reported that Mark also began dabbling
- 9:49in the modeling industry around the same time, Jeffrey invested
- 9:53in MC squared. In twenty ten, a former MC squared
- 9:57employee said in a sworn statement that the MC squared
- 10:00models were in fact victims of Epstein's underage sex trafficking
- 10:05ring Bingo Bango. That's exactly what it was. These girls
- 10:09were being brought over from you know, war tornations, developing countries,
- 10:15and they were being abused, promised jobs's models, then brought
- 10:18here and traffic to Jeffrey Epstein and John Luke Brunell's friends.
- 10:25That's a gigantic story right there. Where's the hard charging
- 10:29gray Lady? Where is the Washington Post? Jeffrey ran several
- 10:38apartments there where he keeps his girls, alleged models for
- 10:41the mc squared agency that he owns. Florida attorney Brad Edwards,
- 10:45who represented a number of Epstein's alleged survivors, told Page
- 10:49six in two thousand and nine, but Mark acts like
- 10:52he doesn't even know his brother. Of course he does.
- 10:55You want to have that layer of you know, flex
- 10:58between the two of you. Oh, I don't know what
- 11:00he's up to. What are you talking about? Plausible deniability
- 11:03and all right. In addition to the models, The Jeffrey
- 11:06Epstein associates who also rented apartments or ran businesses out
- 11:11of the building included an ex girlfriend of his pilot
- 11:14and his MC squared business partner, Jean Luke Brunel. One
- 11:18of Epstein's alleged survivors, has claimed she was forced to
- 11:21have sex with Brunell. Two other potential Jeffrey Epstein co conspirators,
- 11:25Nadio Marsenkova and Sarah Kellen, both operated businesses that were
- 11:30registered at the building. Now Listen, when it comes to Nadia,
- 11:34I have a whole different feeling about what her situation
- 11:37is than when I first started looking into this case.
- 11:40And again that's because, folks, I just follow the evidence
- 11:43here right. I am willing to go wherever the evidence
- 11:46leads me. And personally, the evidence has led me to
- 11:49believe that Nadia was not, in fact somebody who was malicious.
- 11:54She was somebody who was abused, groomed and led along
- 11:57and let astray herself. The rest of them, they can
- 12:01all burn. Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehwood Barock, who was
- 12:07photographed outside Jeffrey's townhouse in twenty sixteen, also regularly spent
- 12:12time at the condo. I don't live in that building,
- 12:15Mark told Cranes, I don't monitor who uses those apartments.
- 12:19A typical slumlord, right, If I owned a building, you
- 12:23better believe I'd be checking in on it, checking in
- 12:25on my tenants, making sure everybody was gully. But Nah,
- 12:29why would Mark Epstein do anything like that? And when
- 12:33we read this through, of course there's more tidbits right
- 12:36Hwood Barock twenty sixteen. Still at this building? What is
- 12:40this guy doing with Jeffrey Epstein. I guess we're gonna
- 12:43have to revisit some Ehud Barock episodes, huh, get a
- 12:46fresh new take on them. I know we've talked about
- 12:49them before previously, but since we're going through some of
- 12:52these older articles right now, I think that we're gonna
- 12:56dive back in and take a look at edhwood Barock
- 12:59over the next couple of As far as this building
- 13:02over on E sixty six, obviously bad shit was happening here.
- 13:06Obviously girls were being trafficked from here. Now, I'm not
- 13:09saying Mark Epstein was involved in any of that, but
- 13:12there's no doubt in my mind that financially he certainly
- 13:15was tied to his brother and the question once again becomes,
- 13:19how is it that there is no Rico in a
- 13:22case like this? All right, folks, that's gonna do it
- 13:26for this episode. If you'd like to contact me, you
- 13:28can do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com.
- 13:32That's Bo Bby c ap u Cci at ProtonMail dot com.
- 13:37You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore
- 13:42cap u Cci. The link that I discussed can be
- 13:46found in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome
- 13:51back to the Epstein Chronicles. Jeffrey Epstein had a lot
- 13:55of high powered, high profile friends and associates, whether that
- 14:00is in the world of politics, the world of finance,
- 14:03the world of academia. It didn't matter wherever Epstein went.
- 14:07He was collecting powerful people, and he would entice these
- 14:10powerful people by playing to their urges, right, whether that's
- 14:14greed or whether that's spending time with a young woman
- 14:17down on his island. That's how Jeffrey Epstein rolled. And
- 14:21according to multiple survivors, multiple people who had access to
- 14:25the homes, the houses were wired for surveillance so that
- 14:29he could record these encounters between these high profile people
- 14:34and these underage girls. The question is whatever happened to
- 14:38all those tapes, because we haven't heard anything about those
- 14:41tapes that were seized, And what about the computers that
- 14:44were taken out of the house before the raid even happened.
- 14:47Let's not forget that he was tipped off that he
- 14:49was about to get raided, so he was able to
- 14:51remove all those computers, all those hard drives to god
- 14:54knows where. So when it comes to the tapes, there's
- 14:58no doubt that there's tapes out there. Question is where
- 15:01are they? Who has them? Is it the FBI or
- 15:03are they stashed somewhere else. But according to Jeffrey Epstein's
- 15:08brother Mark, he said that Jeffrey Epstein told him that
- 15:12if he revealed what he knew about the political candidates
- 15:15from twenty sixteen, the whole election would have to be canceled.
- 15:19Now we know that Jeffrey Epstein liked to use a
- 15:22lot of hyperbole, but I don't think he's too far
- 15:25off here. There's no doubt that this dude had dirt
- 15:28on people like you wouldn't believe. And can you imagine
- 15:31what kind of chaos the whole entire thing would have
- 15:33been thrown into if some dossier's would have started to appear. Now,
- 15:37obviously that didn't happen, And we do have to keep
- 15:39in mind that Jeffrey Epstein liked to talk a lot
- 15:42of talk and didn't do a lot of that walk.
- 15:44So this could have easily just been him using some
- 15:47hyperbole with his brother. Oh yeah, you know the things
- 15:50I know, well, it would end the election. Now, there's
- 15:53no doubt that he certainly has some secrets about these people.
- 15:57There's no doubt that he spent time with these people
- 15:59Trump in the early years, right before they had their
- 16:02falling out, and then the Clintons. Forget it. The relationship
- 16:05with the Clintons is just out of control. I mean,
- 16:08going to Chelsea Clinton's wedding, all the stuff we've talked
- 16:10about for the last few days. So that is something
- 16:13that really needs to be addressed as far as that
- 16:16relationship and how deep it goes. But there is no
- 16:19doubt that Jeffrey Epstein had his fingers in many, many pies.
- 16:23We've talked about all the donations that he made politically,
- 16:27We've went through that list before. Maybe I should go
- 16:29through that list again. Knock your socks off all the
- 16:32people that this dude was donating to and don't even
- 16:35get me started about the USVII. All those politicians down
- 16:38there in the USVII that were running around while Epstein
- 16:42was active. All those people had their hands in the pot.
- 16:45They were all taking money from them. And that's after
- 16:48he was already convicted. You see, before you was convicted,
- 16:51you at least have a leg to stand on. Right. Look,
- 16:53I didn't know what he was doing. He wasn't convicted
- 16:55when him and I were hanging out. Now do I
- 16:58believe you if you say that, I have my doubts,
- 17:00But at least you have a leg to stand on.
- 17:03After he was convicted. I don't want to hear shit
- 17:06from anybody about oh well, this is the reason why. No,
- 17:09there is no reason. The dude was convicted of trying
- 17:12to procure a minor for sex, and you're gonna hang
- 17:14out with them, and then you're gonna try and pitch
- 17:16me some bullshit gaslight story where I should just accept it.
- 17:20You got the wrong guy, Keep that shit moving, find
- 17:22somebody else, all right onto the article. Today's article is
- 17:26from the New York Post, and the headline Jeffrey Epstein said,
- 17:30if he revealed what I know about both candidates, twenty
- 17:33sixteen election would have to be canceled, according to his brother.
- 17:38This article was authored by Reuven Fenton and Alex Oliviera.
- 17:43Jeffrey Epstein had information on Donald Trump and the Clintons
- 17:47so incendiary it could have upended the twenty sixteen presidential
- 17:51election if made public. According to the dead financiers younger brother, well,
- 17:56who would be surprised about that? Considering this dude's ties
- 17:59to everybody in power, from the Clintons to Trump to
- 18:03you name it. I'm not surprised by any of it.
- 18:06And this has been the message here on this podcast
- 18:08for the last four years. The whole lot of them
- 18:10are corrupt. None of them care about you. None of
- 18:12them care if you have a better life. None of
- 18:14them care about your future, your goals, or your ambitions
- 18:17or your dreams. They care about power, plain and simple.
- 18:21Here's a direct quote. If I said what I know
- 18:24about both candidates, they'd have to cancel the election. That's
- 18:27what Jeffrey told me in twenty sixteen. Mark Epstein told
- 18:30The Post Wednesday, we're calling a conversation he had with
- 18:33his brother about the showdown between Trump and Hillary Clinton. However,
- 18:37property developer Mark sixty nine, the murdered when pushed to elaborate,
- 18:42saying his brother never revealed to him exactly what he
- 18:45knew about the then presidential hopefuls. Remember, we have to
- 18:48keep in mind that Epstein was very, very boastful, and
- 18:52not everything he said. In fact, a lot of what
- 18:54he said was straight up bs. That's why I always
- 18:57tell you to check the court documents, because saying that
- 19:00Jeffrey Epstein was a little bit loose with the truth
- 19:03is being a bit generous. Both candidates were known to
- 19:06have moved with Epstein's circle, either directly or indirectly. Trump
- 19:11flew on Epstein's private jets seven times in the nineties,
- 19:14according to flight logs, jetting between pom Beach, Florida, and
- 19:17New York accompanied by family members on at least two occasions. Yeah,
- 19:21well what about the other five? And furthermore, all these
- 19:24people that have their own private jets, why are they
- 19:26using Jeffrey Epstein's private jet? Seems weird to me. I
- 19:31think I'd much rather be on my own jet. No.
- 19:34Hillary is not known to have consorted with Epstein personally,
- 19:36but her husband, former President Bill Clinton, was a friend
- 19:39of Epstein's dating back to at least nineteen ninety three
- 19:42during his first term in the White House. Bill and
- 19:45Epstein visited each other numerous times over the years, including
- 19:49Epstein making at least seventeen visits to the White House.
- 19:52While somebody mentioned it, hallelujah, all these different articles talking
- 19:57about their relationship and nobody's talking about that seems to
- 20:00be pretty important to me. No. The ex president also
- 20:03traveled across the world aboard Epstein's jet, making trips to Europe, Asia,
- 20:08and Africa. In two thousand and two and two thousand
- 20:11and three, Mark said his brother taking Clinton on a
- 20:14philanthropic trip to Africa was what first put him under scrutiny.
- 20:19He added, well, then Jeff first took Clinton and I
- 20:22think it was Chris Tucker and some other people to Africa,
- 20:25Which was a mistake my brother made by doing that
- 20:28because prior to that he was under the radar. Nobody
- 20:31was looking at him. But when he flew Clinton there,
- 20:34it was like, who's this guy flying Clinton. Epstein's jet
- 20:38was later notoriously dubbed the Lolita Express as he used
- 20:41it to sex traffic underage girls between his various properties.
- 20:45Clinton is expected to be identified as John Doe thirty
- 20:48six In a Trovelcorp documents related to Epstein set to
- 20:52be released on Wednesday, The seventy seven year old is
- 20:55mentioned at least fifty times across the documents, which come
- 20:58from a twenty fifteen Lowe suit by Epstein accuser Virginia
- 21:02Roberts against his right hand woman, Gallainne Maxwell. Maxwell, a
- 21:06co conspirator in the sex ring who is now jailed
- 21:09in Florida, allegedly claimed Epstein had videotapes showing Trump and
- 21:14Clinton in compromising positions with women. If you get the
- 21:18tapes on Trump, you have to do Clinton, Maxwell said
- 21:21during a twenty sixteen interview Former sixty Minutes producer Ira
- 21:25Rosen alleged in his book Ticking Clock Behind the Scenes
- 21:29at sixty Minutes. Boy, I'd like to see that interview. Huh,
- 21:32that'd be something. Maxwell then allegedly said she didn't know
- 21:37where the tapes were located. No such tapes have ever
- 21:39come to light. Well, we know that the tapes are
- 21:42out there. The question is where are they? Like I
- 21:45said earlier, does the FBI have them? Does somebody else
- 21:48have them? Do Indike and con have them? Are they
- 21:50at the bottom of the ocean. Where are they? However,
- 21:54Clinton is not expected to be implicated in any illegal activity.
- 21:58ABC News reported and as no, I've ever been accused
- 22:00of any wrongdoing in relation to anyone in Epstein's orbit.
- 22:04And that's true. I'll say it again for the people
- 22:07in the back that don't want to pay attention. There's
- 22:10no indication here that Bill Clinton was abusing anybody, but
- 22:14the enabling, the helping build the foundation for which Epstein
- 22:19used to abuse people. And there's no doubt that that
- 22:22foundation was built on the relationship that he had with
- 22:25Bill Clinton. Roberts has alleged she met Clinton on Epstein's
- 22:29private Caribbean island, Little Saint James, where the sex offender
- 22:32committed many of his lewde and horrific crimes. Clinton has
- 22:36denied ever visiting the island, and currently available flight records
- 22:40support his claims. Well, Doug band corroborated what Virginia said.
- 22:45So that's another problem that Bill Clinton has. Doug Ban
- 22:48was Bill Clinton's right hand man for years, and he
- 22:52too said that Bill Clinton was on the island. Now, again,
- 22:55that doesn't mean that he was engaging in abuse. It
- 22:58doesn't mean that you're on the island, so automatically you
- 23:01were abusing people. What it means is you were hanging
- 23:04out with a scumbag and at the very least enabling
- 23:07his bullshit. That's what it means. Now, if you were
- 23:10taking part in the abuse, well, that's a different level.
- 23:13And like I always say, there are levels to this shit.
- 23:16You have enablers, you have people that were procures, you
- 23:20have people who were actually partaking in the abuse. So
- 23:23this is very nuanced. It's not a black and white
- 23:26situation where you look at it and you're like, oh, okay,
- 23:28I see what's going on here. You have to really
- 23:31go deep. And if you're not willing to put in
- 23:33the time to try and understand all of the nuances,
- 23:36you're gonna be completely lost. In July twenty nineteen, after
- 23:40Epstein had been arrested in New York and charged for
- 23:43a second time with sex crimes involving underage girls, a
- 23:46spokesperson for Clinton said he knew nothing about the terrible
- 23:50crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago,
- 23:54or those which he was recently charged in New York.
- 23:58And again, that's fine, but that needs to be challenged.
- 24:01They need to ask him why Epstein was at the
- 24:04White House seventeen times, Why did Epstein bring these girls
- 24:07to the White House? Why did Hillary Clinton get Alexander
- 24:10Derossi a job at the State Department. These are questions
- 24:13that need to be asked. And look, they might go nowhere, right,
- 24:16they might end up being a big, fat nothing burger.
- 24:19But if that's the case, and if Bill Clinton has
- 24:21been honest and truthful this whole entire time, why not
- 24:24go and get the post, sit down for a deposition,
- 24:27and get it all on record. I don't care if
- 24:30you were the ex president. What does that mean? Those
- 24:33days are long over. You're not the president anymore. You're
- 24:35just a regular citizen like the rest of us. So
- 24:38what's the deal hating. It is unclear whether Trump will
- 24:42appear in the documents, but his known interactions with Epstein,
- 24:45including pictures of them socializing, suggest he could and we
- 24:48know he did. Who's shocked by that? Maybe people that
- 24:51haven't been following along, But there is no doubt that
- 24:54Trump and Jeffrey Epstein had a relationship previous to their
- 24:58falling out. But just like with Bill Bill Clinton, I'm
- 25:00not going to sit here and tell you Trump was
- 25:02abusing people. We haven't heard that. That's not something that's
- 25:06popping up in core documents. So, just like with Bill Clinton,
- 25:10it comes down to enabling and not just those two
- 25:13the whole entire political structure. Those two are just the
- 25:16face of it. My issue runs deeper than both of
- 25:19those dudes. Those dudes are a symptom the corruption that
- 25:22we see from the so called delete Well, that's the problem.
- 25:25Only worrying about Trump, only worrying about Prince Andrew, only
- 25:29worrying about Bill Clinton, is only worrying about the symptoms.
- 25:33It's like having cancer and only going after the things
- 25:35that are making you feel sick that day, and not
- 25:38attacking the actual cancer. And that actual cancer, folks, as
- 25:41we all know, is the corruption at the very top.
- 25:45Many of the names are expected to be previously known associates,
- 25:48co conspirators, or employees of Epstein, and many previously anonymous
- 25:53accusers are expected to be named. Mark Epstein, who believes
- 25:57his brother was murdered after his twenty nineteen arrest and
- 26:00did not commit suicide, does not expect much to come
- 26:03of the files. My brother used to have conferences on
- 26:07the island with noted mathematicians and scientists. So now they're
- 26:11going to get smeared because they participated in one of
- 26:13these scientific panels, he told the Post. Now, look again,
- 26:17I'm not saying everybody who went to that island was
- 26:20abusing people. And I'm sure that there were conferences there
- 26:23that were very mundane, but that was all part of it.
- 26:27That was all part of the facade. So later on
- 26:30down the road, you can say exactly what you just
- 26:32said here. Oh yeah, it was just, you know, a conference,
- 26:35just like when he paid those little girls a few
- 26:37hundred bucks. So later on down the road he could
- 26:40call them prostitutes if he ever got caught. And that
- 26:43was all baked into the plan. It's not my job
- 26:46to defend my brother. That's not what I'm here for.
- 26:48The only thing I'm looking at are the circumstances of
- 26:51his murder, he added the Post. Request to comment to
- 26:54both Trump and Clinton were not immediately returned. Oh, and
- 26:57I doubt they will be. And I'd love to hear
- 26:59them or from Mark Epstein. And I do hope that
- 27:02Tucker Carlson follows through and has that interview with him.
- 27:05That would be pretty interesting to listen to. So hopefully
- 27:08that happens, because I think Mark Epstein has some interesting
- 27:11things that he might be able to tell us. Furthermore,
- 27:14Mark Epstein better be happy that this didn't turn into
- 27:16a Rico case, because everybody would have been caught up.
- 27:20And that's the rub, right. If they really cared about justice,
- 27:24this would have been a Rico case, but it wasn't. Instead,
- 27:27what we got was this piecemeal just enough to throw
- 27:31the masses a little bit of red meat. But the
- 27:34truth is, if they really wanted justice here, if they
- 27:37really wanted to give people justice to the survivor's justice,
- 27:41this would have been a Rico case and we could
- 27:43have had all of this settled. Now ask yourselves why
- 27:47everybody else got hit with Rico but Glaine Maxwell didn't.
- 27:51Why didn't Jeffrey Epstein? Could have anything to do with
- 27:54their connections to the rich and the powerful and those
- 27:57very people who make the laws that could have anything
- 28:00to do with it? Could it? Could it all right?
- 28:04Everybody that's gonna do it for this one. All of
- 28:07the information that goes with this episode can be found
- 28:10in the description box. Tonight, we have an article from
- 28:12the New York Post and it has to do with
- 28:14the Mark Epstein, Jeff Epstein's brother, and I guess he's
- 28:19worried that he his life is in danger as well.
- 28:22So I think that's a pretty interesting piece of news
- 28:24that we should add to our daily drop catalog here,
- 28:28and that's exactly what we're going to do. But before
- 28:31I do that, if you would like to contact me,
- 28:33you can do that at Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com.
- 28:36That's bo b b y c ap U c c
- 28:39I at ProtonMail dot com. All right, so pretty interesting
- 28:45that Jeffrey Epstein's brother thinks his life is in danger.
- 28:47We heard this earlier he said that, and now it's
- 28:50coming out again in this article from the New York
- 28:52Post today that he really feels like he his life
- 28:57might be in danger from the same people that might
- 28:59have might have killed his brother. So I think it's
- 29:03gonna be pretty interesting to see what he has to
- 29:05say about this, see if his tune has changed at all,
- 29:08considering that we've heard this from him previously but was
- 29:11a blurb, and now they have a whole post article
- 29:13about it. So we're definitely gonna read this article and
- 29:16see what's what. Why don't we just go ahead and
- 29:19jump right in, folks. The article is from the New
- 29:22York Post. The headline Jeffrey Epstein's brother fears his life
- 29:26may also be in danger, authored by Jackie Sallow. Jeffrey
- 29:31Epstein's brother fears that his life may also be in
- 29:34danger if the convicted pedophile was the victim of homicide,
- 29:37according to a private pathologist hired to look into the
- 29:40mysterious death. Okay, so this is about Michael Boden. So
- 29:44Michael Boden is, you know, the pathologist who has been
- 29:47involved in a lot of these big name cases. Right,
- 29:49He's been involved in a bunch of this stuff. So
- 29:52it was good enough for him to be involved in
- 29:54all of that stuff, and it was good enough for
- 29:55the media to trot him out and well look what
- 29:58doctor Bowden said, and he had that show on HBO,
- 30:02and but now all of a sudden, he doesn't have
- 30:04any credibility to some people in the media. He's not credible.
- 30:07He's a quack. Oh, he's just looking for attention. Well
- 30:10that might be the case. He might be looking for attention.
- 30:13He might be looking to increase his profile. I can't
- 30:15blame him for that. The question is what about his
- 30:17work is his work good. If his work is good,
- 30:21then I don't really care if you like him as
- 30:23a person. Doctor Michael Boden said that the degraced financier
- 30:28is younger brother Mark Epstein. Disgraced financier pedophile Mark Epstein
- 30:33has concerns about his own safety after his brother's hanging death.
- 30:38Mark the brother, his concern is that he wants to
- 30:41know if it's suicide or if it's homicide, because if
- 30:44it's homicide, then his life may also be in danger.
- 30:47Boden told radio host John Castematis Sunday on AM's nine
- 30:50seventy The Cats Roundtable. This is interesting stuff, right, this
- 30:54is very interesting stuff. Now he's on a radio show,
- 30:58Doctor Boden's on a radio show, and I guess they
- 31:00get around to talking about Jeffrey Epstein, and Mark Epstein
- 31:03comes up in the case, I'm guessing comes up, and
- 31:07he brings up the little blurb that Mark the brother
- 31:09is nervous that you know, if this wasn't suicide, is
- 31:12he next to people think that might he might know something?
- 31:15Do they think he might have some evidence or some information?
- 31:18Who knows? We're dealing with incredibly evil people, right, These
- 31:22are evil actors. Bro, These are bad guys, these are
- 31:25bad women, These are really bad people we're talking about.
- 31:28The people that were running this operation are some of
- 31:31the worst people ever ever. And its spans continents. They
- 31:35were on multiple continents running this operation from South Africa
- 31:39to Israel, to Yugoslavia to you name it, you name it.
- 31:43These scumbags had their hands in deep So if you're
- 31:46a family member and you think that your life might
- 31:48be in danger as well, considering you bring in this
- 31:51famed pathologist, doctor Boden, and he doesn't really agree with
- 31:54what the medical examiner comes out in reports, well, what
- 31:58are you gonna think? Right? It might be some confirmation
- 32:01biased right, he might think, Well, I want to think
- 32:03that Jeffrey didn't kill himself. I want to think that
- 32:05Jeffrey was killed. Who knows. I'm not in Mark Epstein's
- 32:08head and I wouldn't want to be. But my point
- 32:10is this. My point is this, the people that Jeffrey
- 32:16Epstein were involved with are very capable of not only
- 32:19killing Jeffrey Epstein, but certainly capable of killing Mark as well,
- 32:22if that's what they wanted to do. Right, I'm not
- 32:24saying I have evidence of that. Or that's what's going
- 32:27to occur. But it's something that you have to think
- 32:29about if you're this guy. These are incredibly dangerous people.
- 32:33These are very, very, very powerful, powerful people. New York
- 32:40City Chief Medical Examiner doctor Barbara Sampson ruled the death
- 32:44of suicide after Jeffrey Epstein was found hanged at the
- 32:47Metropolitan Correctional Center in August for suicide. And how long
- 32:53Jeffrey Epstein after the first case, he had the whole
- 32:56wing and all the preferential treatment. He thought he was
- 32:59getting off on this case with technicality. The night before,
- 33:01his lawyer said he was in good spirits. Nobody reported
- 33:04that he was suicidal except for the first supposed attempt
- 33:06on his life. So excuse me if I'm a bit
- 33:09skeptical of the narrative. I think the narrative is the
- 33:12conspiracy theory. At this point, folks, we've moved on from that.
- 33:15We've graduated on this podcast. There's no conspiracy theory around
- 33:19these parts. We've graduated to the cover up phase. All right.
- 33:24This is an absolute, full blown cover up for Jenior.
- 33:26Roberts has said it, numerous people have said it. Whitney
- 33:29Webb believes it's a cover up. And you know what,
- 33:32even Amy Robock, if you read the transcript, said she
- 33:35doesn't believe that Epstein killed himself. So take your conspiracy
- 33:38theory wacko calling people wackos and this, that and the
- 33:41other thing, and talking down about them in your silly
- 33:43articles and shove it, because this is This is anyone
- 33:47who is thinking logically, anyone who looks at the whole
- 33:51entire body of evidence as opposed to just what confirms
- 33:54their biases. There's really no other way to look at this, right.
- 33:58You have to look at this and say, there is
- 34:00so many coincidences leading up to this man's death, so
- 34:04many coincidences, and if you're his family member, especially even
- 34:10with Boden involved, of course you're going to question if
- 34:12he killed himself or not. If Boden came to that determination, well,
- 34:16why the hell wouldn't you think that Boden knows what
- 34:19he's talking about. I'm sure he paid him a pretty
- 34:21penny for that. But Mark Epstein hired Boden, who served
- 34:26as the New York City's chief medical examiner in the
- 34:29late nineteen seventies, to oversee the autopsy, and Boden has
- 34:33insisted that three bone fractures in Jeffrey Epstein's neck points
- 34:36towards homicide rather than suicide. The private pathologist said that
- 34:41Mark believes that it's possible that others wanted his brother
- 34:44dead because he knew too much. How is that not
- 34:47a logical statement? How is that not a logical statement?
- 34:50We've seen it time and time again with people involved
- 34:53in these large criminal conspiracies. When somebody becomes dead weight,
- 34:57that's it. They're clipped, they're done, They get rid of them.
- 35:00They're not carrying around people that are liabilities, Not when
- 35:02you're running around in these power circles, Not when you
- 35:05have the ability and the power at your fingertips to
- 35:08end people the way they do. You really think they
- 35:10were gonna let Epstein sing? You think Epstein was gonna
- 35:14go the route of Joe Volacci. He wasn't singing. Jeffrey
- 35:17Epstein wasn't. There was never going to be a chance
- 35:19where that man was going to name names in a courtroom.
- 35:23He'd have some kind of weird heart. Something would have
- 35:25happened to him a bus, I mean a van ride
- 35:28from the prison as he's going to jeff It would
- 35:30have been something, and then they would have force fed
- 35:32it down your throat. They would have force fed their
- 35:34narrative down your throat. And if you don't believe it,
- 35:36well you're the crazy one. You're the conspiracy theorist b
- 35:41s BS because his brother knew too much, and whoever
- 35:48killed Jeffrey might then think Mark knows too much, even
- 35:51though his life was entirely different than his brothers. See,
- 35:54that's not completely true. They had that building in Manhattan,
- 35:58the sixty six east Man had and that they owned together,
- 36:01and out of that building, Jeffrey Epstein was operating the
- 36:05young models through the MC two modeling agency, So he
- 36:14had all those apartments there where all these girls were
- 36:17logged in their five six seven deep sleeping on the floor.
- 36:20He had the rooms were the apartments where his pilots
- 36:24and staff, etcetera, etcetera, all lived, and it was in
- 36:26Mark Epstein's name, so that they didn't have completely different lives.
- 36:31Let's be honest here, let's always let's let's try and
- 36:34separate the BS from the real. Boden told the radio host,
- 36:40the brother who hired me to be president at the
- 36:42autopsy is concerned as to whether or not his life
- 36:45is in danger from this. The brother has requested information
- 36:48from New York authorities about the hanging death. According to
- 36:51the pathologist, it's five months now, and why the dead
- 36:55body has been removed from the cell, destroying ability to
- 36:58do any forensic investigation hasn't been explained. So the family
- 37:01is waiting for more information, Boden said, and so were we.
- 37:05Jeffrey Epstein might have been one of the most heinous,
- 37:07disgusting monsters in the whole entire world, but his family
- 37:10deserves to know the what's what, especially when the medical
- 37:13examiner has come out and said that they already given
- 37:15all the information over That's what we've covered previously here.
- 37:18So somebody's not telling the truth. Somebody's lying once again.
- 37:22The federal government's playing games, all right, and there's nobody
- 37:26we can trust in the Department of Justice. I don't
- 37:27trust Bill Barr a Bush Holdover. There's no way. I
- 37:32don't trust none of these people. I don't trust bar
- 37:34I don't trust any of his lackeys. I don't trust
- 37:37anybody in the Justice Department at this point, none of
- 37:40the leadership and the case agents. Well, they can only
- 37:43do so much, right, they can only do so much
- 37:45if they're going after a big fry. They got to
- 37:47put they got to pass that up the chain. This
- 37:50doesn't happen in a vacuum. We've seen that with the
- 37:53Trump case. We see who ran the Operation Hurricane. Who
- 37:57we seen who ran that. It was all the top
- 37:59people and all the top organizations, and the same thing
- 38:02definitely occurs in something like this. So I'm not really
- 38:04gonna blame the rank and file. You really can't. They
- 38:07can only do so much. Their hands are tied. They
- 38:09do the preliminary investigations, they bring all the evidence forward,
- 38:13and then there they're the head honchos. Their bosses tell them, no,
- 38:16we're not doing that. They never get an explanation why
- 38:20all their hard work goes by the wayside, and the
- 38:22hanchos probably getting their pockets lined or however it works,
- 38:25trading political favor for another favor. Who the hell knows.
- 38:28But what we do know is that justice is rarely
- 38:32served to people like Jeffrey Epstein, and in the year
- 38:36twenty twenty, that is all going to change. This is
- 38:39the year the predator becomes the prey. If you would
- 38:45like to contact me, you can do that at Bobby
- 38:47Kapuci at proton mail dot com. That's bo b b
- 38:50Y c ap u Cci at ProtonMail dot com And
- 38:55if what's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein chronicles. Yesterday,
- 39:01the Inspector General finally dropped their report on what happened
- 39:06to Jeffrey Epstein while he was in lock up at
- 39:09the MCC. And according to that report, what happened to
- 39:13Epstein was the cause of negligence, malfeasance, and just straight
- 39:18up carelessness by the Bureau of Prisons. And they say
- 39:23that the carelessness led directly to Jeffrey Epstein having the
- 39:28perfect environment for him to kill himself. And for some folks,
- 39:32the fact that the ig report is out that puts
- 39:35everything to bed. That's the exclamation point they've been waiting
- 39:39for me. However, you already know how I feel about
- 39:43internal investigations, and that includes the Inspector General. Do you
- 39:47know that the Inspector General isn't even able to charge
- 39:51anybody with anything. All the Inspector General can do is
- 39:55refer charges to the Attorney General. And I think if
- 39:58we've seen anything in the past six eight years, it's
- 40:01that the Inspector General is toothless. And for all of
- 40:05these big claims in this ig report, all the talk
- 40:08about negligence, all the talk about systemic errors. Who was
- 40:12held responsible for that? Oh? Of course the guards were
- 40:16held responsible for a day. But what about their bosses
- 40:19and their boss's bosses. Nobody else was held responsible? Huh?
- 40:24And how about the chain of custody for the surveillance
- 40:26video from the alleged first attempt on Jeffrey Epstein's life
- 40:30while he was in the cell with Tartaglioni. And pay
- 40:33close attention to all of the lies of a mission
- 40:36that you see here. The fact that Nicholas Tartaglioni is
- 40:40not even really a part of this report is laughable
- 40:43at best. And the fact that they would believe Nicholas
- 40:46Tartaglioni's story is also laughable at best. I mean, if
- 40:52he's such a truthful guy, why didn't we just listen
- 40:54to him when he said he didn't kill Diego, Luna
- 40:57and those other three dudes? Such a truthful guy, right,
- 41:01he didn't try to strangle Jeffrey Epstein, That's what he
- 41:04told us anyway, So why not just believe him that
- 41:07he didn't kill those four people? Why go to trial?
- 41:10Why convictim for four murders, and this is their source
- 41:14from inside of the jail cell from the first time
- 41:16around that just conveniently didn't have the cameras working at
- 41:20the time that he was in this jail cell with
- 41:23this four time murderer. And then you have the audacity
- 41:26to try to pitch to me that this four time
- 41:28murderer is actually a hero and he was trying to
- 41:31save Jeffrey Epstein's life. That's the story that the government's
- 41:34giving you, not me. I didn't just sit around and
- 41:37make that up. That's what the government's telling you, that
- 41:40this four time murderer, Nicholas Tartaglioni, is a hero and
- 41:44he actually intervened to save Jeffrey Epstein's life the first
- 41:48time around. And I guess there's people out there that
- 41:52actually believe that. I see people running around talking like
- 41:55it's definitive now what happened in that jail cell. But
- 41:59for me personally, I'm not swayed one way or the other. Still,
- 42:02I'm exactly where I was before this IG report came out,
- 42:06and in fact, I'm even more suspicious of the government now.
- 42:10And like usual, the IG report was lacking. It didn't
- 42:13have any teeth and proved to be feckless. And there's
- 42:17one person out there, for sure who don't believe one
- 42:20single thing in this IG report, and that person is
- 42:24Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother. Now I don't really like
- 42:28to agree with Mark Epstein too often, but the guy
- 42:31brings up some valid points. So let's dive into this
- 42:34article from The Insider and let's see what's going on. Headline,
- 42:40Jeffrey Epstein's brother remains convinced the financier was murdered, calling
- 42:45new DOJ report blatant bs. This article was authored by
- 42:50Jacob Shamsien. When Mark Epstein saw the four years in
- 42:55the making Justice Department report into his brother's death on Tuesday,
- 42:59he in disbelief. It doesn't make sense. Could you get
- 43:04that through your f and head? It doesn't make sense,
- 43:07Epstein told Insider, pardon my language, but I got a
- 43:11lot of calls today and I've lost my patience for
- 43:13people that listen to this shit and don't ask the
- 43:16right questions. He's not wrong. So you have a bunch
- 43:20of people that will tell you that the governments not
- 43:23to be trusted, The government is up to no good,
- 43:26These agencies are out of control. Until their guy gets elected.
- 43:30Then all of a sudden, these agencies, they're beyond reproach.
- 43:35You can't say anything about them, and if you do well,
- 43:39you don't care about our democracy. As if these institutions
- 43:43are above reproach right, as if these people who work
- 43:46for these institutions haven't been involved in a bunch of
- 43:49bs before ever, hear al Larry Nasser. On Tuesday morning,
- 43:54the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General published its long
- 43:59awaiting report into Jeffrey Epstein's death. Epstein, a wealthy financier
- 44:04pedophile who ran in the same circles as Bill Clinton,
- 44:08Donald Trump, and Prince Andrew, was found dead in his
- 44:11Manhattan jail cell the morning of August tenth, twenty nineteen,
- 44:16while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. His death was
- 44:21a scandal for the Bureau of Prisons, which oversaw the
- 44:24Manhattan jail. It was also a blow to his many
- 44:27victims who had seen him of a justice over and
- 44:30over again. And you see, there is the inconvenient truth,
- 44:34and that truth certainly isn't addressed in this IG report.
- 44:38And that inconvenient truth is Epstein was allowed to get
- 44:40away with this by all of these scumbags for all
- 44:44of these years, When are we going to get an
- 44:46IG report on that. Epstein's body was examined by Christin Roman,
- 44:51a medical examiner for the City of New York. Mark
- 44:54Epstein hired Michael Bowden, a famed forensic pathologist, to oversee
- 44:59the four procedure. They came away with different conclusions. Baden
- 45:05still had questions about how Epstein's body was found. He
- 45:09believes the ligatures on Epstein's neck and the pattern of
- 45:12broken bones were more consistent with homicide, not suicide by
- 45:17hanging with a bed sheet. Roman was inconclusive, though her
- 45:21boss later ruled the death of suicide while offering little
- 45:25additional explanation to the public. The absence of information at
- 45:31Epstein's connections with powerful people bred theories that Epstein was
- 45:35murdered in his jail cell. Tuesday's one hundred and twenty
- 45:39two page report from the Inspector General's Office, which is
- 45:42statutorily protected from the political winds, was supposed to be
- 45:47the final word. Oh yeah, look here, folks, we investigated ourselves.
- 45:52It's all over and done with. There's nothing to see here.
- 45:54There were some systemic errors and a lot of failures,
- 45:57but were holding nobody responsible and so we hope that
- 46:00everybody just understands that we suck at our job. Mark
- 46:04Epstein isn't persuaded. There's a lot of really blatant BS
- 46:09things there. He said he got either punched or a
- 46:12karate chop into the neck by whoever killed him. That's
- 46:16a pretty big claim. But remember Mark Epstein has access
- 46:20to all of the autopsy information. He had doctor Boden there,
- 46:23and doctor Boden certainly didn't agree with the assessment made
- 46:27by the medical examiner and their assistant. Michael Thomas, the
- 46:32guard who found Jeffrey Epstein dead, said the financier's body
- 46:36was suspended from the top bunk in a near seated position,
- 46:40with his buttocks approximately one inch to one inch and
- 46:43a half off the floor and his legs extended out
- 46:46straight on the floor, according to the report. Here's my problem,
- 46:51Michael Thomas, the man making this report is one of
- 46:54the guards that fell asleep. So all of a sudden,
- 46:57this guy is the pinnacle of truth. He's a pillar
- 47:02of responsibility, and I should listen to what he has
- 47:04to say. Huh, everything that they talked about in this
- 47:07report is relying on second hand or third hand information
- 47:12that they got from an inmate. So all of a sudden,
- 47:14we should believe these inmates. Huh, the IG and people
- 47:17who support this IG report, they're really asking us to
- 47:22take some leaps of faith. And unfortunately for the Department
- 47:25of Justice and for the BOP, they haven't earned that
- 47:29sort of faith from me anyway. Now, what other people
- 47:32do and what other people think, that is not my business.
- 47:36I have never been in the business of trying to
- 47:38convince anybody of anything. But the marks from the noose
- 47:42fashioned from a torn orange bed sheet were on the
- 47:45lower part of Epstein's neck. Mark Epstein called that part
- 47:49of the report a glaring f up. He told Insider
- 47:52that if Jeffrey Epstein really died in that position, the
- 47:56news would have ridden up the neck and looped up
- 47:59near a zero. That makes sense when you look at
- 48:02it and you look at the way his body was
- 48:04allegedly found. Well, that ligature would ride up, wouldn't it.
- 48:09But that's not what the report says. The pictures I
- 48:12have from the autopsy showed that the noose mark was
- 48:15lower on his neck and it was more straight back
- 48:18as opposed to riding up in the back towards his ears,
- 48:22Mark Epstein said, So he couldn't have been hanging that
- 48:25way as they say and leaving this mark on his neck. Also,
- 48:30if he was hanging from the way they said, that
- 48:32doesn't match up where the broken bones are in his neck,
- 48:36he added. Epstein theorized that the marks came from somebody
- 48:40who punched or karate chopped his brother in the neck. See,
- 48:44I don't know about that either. Like I've said, I
- 48:47think the most important piece here is Nicholas Tartaglioni, and
- 48:51I'm more convinced of that fact each and every time
- 48:54one of these reports come out or there's a big
- 48:57talk about Epstein and Nicholas tartaglion and what happened to
- 49:01that jail cell the first time around is left out
- 49:04of the story. Remember, lies of omission are still lies.
- 49:08And if you're not going to add that part of
- 49:10the story, which we have no real information on besides
- 49:13what that pillar of society, Nicholas Tartaglioni told us, and
- 49:18let's not forget that Epstein also told people that Tartaglioni
- 49:21assaulted them. Then they say in that report that, well,
- 49:25that can't be the truth, because then Epstein has to
- 49:27be back in the cell with Tartaglioni, as if Tartaglioni
- 49:31couldn't have threatened him to say that is everybody new here?
- 49:34Does nobody know how it works in jail or in prison?
- 49:38There's a hierarchy, and if you're a scumbag who raped children,
- 49:41you're at the very bottom of that hierarchy. And furthermore,
- 49:45just a few weeks before Tartaglioni ended up in a
- 49:48cell with Jeffrey Epstein, the dude was busted for having
- 49:51a cell phone in the jail. Who is he talking
- 49:54to on that cell phone? Has that cell phone ever
- 49:56been purged? Where are all those numbers? And unfortunately, when
- 50:00we're talking about tar tag Leoni, who was originally scheduled
- 50:03to get the death penalty, by the way, it's just
- 50:06a black hole of information. Oh and by the way,
- 50:09he didn't get the death penalty. They pulled it off
- 50:11the table for some reason. So you mean to tell
- 50:13me that a guy who murders four people in cold
- 50:16blood like this doesn't deserve to get the death penalty,
- 50:20I guess not. Epstein noted that the Inspector General's Office
- 50:24in all of its four years of working on the
- 50:27report never asked Boden for an interview. Why wouldn't they
- 50:31do that? If you're the Inspector General and you have
- 50:34the power to interview people, wouldn't you interview every last
- 50:37person that was involved in this? Every last person? The report, however,
- 50:42notes that investigators spoke directly to Roman. She concluded that
- 50:47the hemorrhages, blood flow, and skin marks on Epstein's neck
- 50:51and face were more consistent with suicide than strangulation. She
- 50:56also noted there was no evidence of defensive wounds. If
- 51:00if Epstein had fought off an attacker, Epstein did not
- 51:03have any marks on his hands, no broken fingernails, no
- 51:06debris under his fingernails, no contusions to his knuckles that
- 51:10would have evidenced to fight, and the other than an
- 51:13abrasion on his arm, likely due to convulsing from hanging,
- 51:17no bruising on his body. The Justice Department report says, yeah, well,
- 51:21what about the broken hyoid? Pretty interesting that the hyoid
- 51:24bone was broken, because usually in a situation like this,
- 51:28that doesn't happen. In an interview Tuesday Night with Insider Boden,
- 51:32who estimated he's conducted over one thousand autopsies on deaths
- 51:36in New York State jails and prisons over the past
- 51:40five decades. Maintained that Epstein's injuries were more consistent with
- 51:44homicide than suicide. He also said a karate blow would
- 51:49have been the cause of death. A karate blow, so
- 51:52what we have ninja's running around this jail. The autopsy
- 51:55findings are much more suggestive of homicidal manual strangulation or
- 52:00compression of the neck with being stepped on or with
- 52:03a shoe or a knee, he said, or a karate
- 52:07blow can cause three fractures in the neck. You'd have
- 52:10to really know what you were doing, huh, if you
- 52:12slap somebody with a karate chop and break their hyoid
- 52:15bone and all the bones in their neck. So I
- 52:18don't know how likely that is. And like I've said before,
- 52:21I think that the first time around was a message
- 52:24from Tartaglioni, and that message was we can reach out
- 52:28and get you whenever we want. If you don't do
- 52:30what you have to do, we're gonna make your life miserable.
- 52:34So very possible that Epstein did take his own life,
- 52:38but at the hands of somebody else. So there's still
- 52:41a bunch of scenarios at play here, and I don't
- 52:43think that this IG report really clears anything up. The
- 52:48report dispels the theory that another inmate killed Epstein. Mark
- 52:53Epstein has sought to conduct his own investigation into how
- 52:56his brother died. In addition to the Boden report, he
- 52:59hired an attorney to look into the death. Insider previously
- 53:03reported one element that's bothered Mark is that investigators never
- 53:08interviewed the emergency medical technicians who responded when Jeffrey Epstein
- 53:13was found dead. He said, the EMTs have said that,
- 53:17especially on high profile cases like this, they're always brought
- 53:21in and interviewed to debrief. Mark Epstein said, they want
- 53:26to know what exactly took place. Nobody questioned the EMTs.
- 53:30Tuesday's report says the EMTs performed CPR on Epstein, intbated him,
- 53:35it administered medication to revive him, and transported his body
- 53:40in an ambulance to a hospital where he was found dead.
- 53:44But it does not say they were interviewed. So why
- 53:47wouldn't you interview the EMTs. I'm talking about everybody that
- 53:51was there should have been interviewed. Mark Epstein said, there
- 53:56are questions about the circumstances of his brother's death that
- 53:59he hopes those technicians could answer. They say that they
- 54:03found him in the morning, and the guards tried to
- 54:05do CPR on him. Then the EMTs came and took
- 54:09him to the hospital, Epstein said. They don't mention the
- 54:13fact that in between them finding him and the EMTs
- 54:16getting there, he was his body was taken to the infirmary.
- 54:21The report does, in fact say the EMTs moved Epstein's
- 54:24body on a stretcher from his cell to the jail's
- 54:28Health services unit. Additional personnel arrived four minutes later to
- 54:33move his body to the ambulance. So the whole entire
- 54:36jail cell should have been treated like a crime scene
- 54:39as well, and that didn't happen. Anytime there's a death
- 54:42inside of a jail, it's treated at first at least
- 54:45as a suspicious death. But here we didn't see that.
- 54:50Why wasn't this whole entire jail cell treated as a
- 54:54crime scene. Mark Epstein also previously floated the theory that
- 54:58the doors to Epstein's said well and other cells in
- 55:01the unit were unlocked, opening the opportunity for another inmate.
- 55:05To kill him. According to the report, the doors were locked.
- 55:10Investigators also spoke to three other inmates in the cell
- 55:13block who could see directly into Epstein's cell from their
- 55:17own cells. None of them saw or heard anyone going
- 55:21in or out, according to the report. None of them
- 55:24saw him kill himself either, obviously, So in other words,
- 55:26we saw nothing, we heard nothing, we know nothing. Mark
- 55:31Epstein remains unconvinced. Did you never think maybe they were sleeping?
- 55:36Epstein said, this took place in the middle of the night.
- 55:40So for me, folks, I am still unconvinced. This IG
- 55:43report certainly didn't tell me anything new. It just went
- 55:47over ground that has already been covered time and time again.
- 55:51And you would think after four years that they would
- 55:54be able to have a little bit more than one
- 55:56hundred and twenty eight page report. Why would it take
- 55:59us four years to get that report? How about we
- 56:02start there, mister Inspector General. It seems to me that
- 56:06this report is pretty cut and dry, and it certainly
- 56:08shouldn't take four years to compile all of this information.
- 56:12I wonder how many tax dollars were spent by the
- 56:15Inspector General in pursuit of this regurgitated information that we
- 56:19all knew already. All they did was put it into
- 56:22a report form and then drop it on us and say, oh, well,
- 56:26here's the official narrative. Well, folks, as you all know,
- 56:29I am never a fan of the official narrative, especially
- 56:32when that official narrative is filled with glaring holes. All Right, folks,
- 56:38that's gonna do it for this one. All of the
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