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Ask Greg Cosell on Patreon: What Traits Are Best In Pass Rushers? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 2: I just keep thinking if they stick and pick at
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  Speaker 2: twenty three, there's just no way that the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the quote unquote best players on the board, and that
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  Speaker 2: might not be Pheneman and McNeil Warren. And I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to ask you, like, who schematically fits the Eagles more.
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  Speaker 3: It's an interesting question because they're they're kind of built differently,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because McNeil Warren is kind of long, lanky,
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  Speaker 3: gumba ish, you know, he's he's a really interesting athlete.
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  Speaker 3: Thinnerman is is. I mean, he's he's stockier looking, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's just the way he's built. I I think that
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  Speaker 3: they would think, and again I'm trying to get into
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  Speaker 3: the head of the Eagles and their scheme. I would
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  Speaker 3: think Thinnermon would be more the guy that they'd want
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  Speaker 3: because I think he'd be one of those guys that's
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  Speaker 3: really steady as well as potentially I don't even want
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  Speaker 3: to use the word spectacular, but you know, but that
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  Speaker 3: has that does have big play elements to his game.
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  Speaker 3: How do you define what's a first round draft pick
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  Speaker 3: guy versus not being even the drift first round. I
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  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of subjectivity in that. I would
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  Speaker 3: say in a normal year, teams would tell you that
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  Speaker 3: there's fifteen to eighteen players that they probably give first
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  Speaker 3: round grades to. Now, it's not all the same fifteen
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  Speaker 3: to eighteen obviously, because it's teams are they think about
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  Speaker 3: it as far as their team and scheme as well,
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  Speaker 3: because there's not fifteen transcendent players that are just automatically
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  Speaker 3: first round picks. No matter what you know, there might
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  Speaker 3: be five or six or seven of those guys that is, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's a first round pick. No matter what draft
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  Speaker 3: were in, I would say this year and this is
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  Speaker 3: this would be my opinion obviously, but I would say
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  Speaker 3: that this year there might be ten to thirteen that
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  Speaker 3: would be definite first round grade.
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  Speaker 4: Like when you want a player you know exactly, Like,
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  Speaker 4: can you take me through your process of watching a
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  Speaker 4: player coming out and then evaluating him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I have a sheet that has strengths, weaknesses, transition,
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  Speaker 3: and other so as I watch, you know, I type
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  Speaker 3: in things you know, and sometimes you can watch the
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  Speaker 3: first game and you know, then you get to games two, three,
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  Speaker 3: and four and you see something different, So you change
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  Speaker 3: it as you go because obviously you have to see
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  Speaker 3: the same things over and over again. And the more
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  Speaker 3: you see the same things over and over again, that
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  Speaker 3: defines the player. And that's why I try to watch,
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  Speaker 3: and particularly with defensive players, because very often, depending on
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  Speaker 3: the position, with defensive players, they don't necessarily have big stats,
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  Speaker 3: like defensive tackles don't necessarily make a lot of tackles,
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  Speaker 3: So you can't look at a stat sheet and decide,
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  Speaker 3: you know, some of the best defensive tackle prospects might
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  Speaker 3: have thirty tackles in an entire season. You can't just
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  Speaker 3: watch those thirty plays defensive players, You've got to watch
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  Speaker 3: full games. So I sit and I grind through and
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  Speaker 3: watch full games of a team's defense, and that takes time,
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  Speaker 3: and I try to watch five or six games of
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  Speaker 3: all the defensive players. I watch receivers. It's a little different.
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  Speaker 3: I start out with receivers by watching all their targets.
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  Speaker 3: I just got one name for you, is their world.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got hurt this year, do you think that
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  Speaker 3: would make him drop where his skills is so good
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  Speaker 3: to keep them high. You know, I think he's got
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  Speaker 3: good size, good length. I think his athleticism is plus
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  Speaker 3: for sure. I think you know, he can pass protect
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  Speaker 3: one on one. I think he's you know, being a
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  Speaker 3: good athlete. He's got good knee bend, he's got good balance.
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  Speaker 3: I think his lateral movement's good. I thought his run
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  Speaker 3: blocking has gotten better because I watched him last summer too,
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  Speaker 3: when he was actually at Nevada. So you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: an interesting prospect. He's not gonna be a high pick,
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  Speaker 3: just you know, for obvious reasons. He's coming off an
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  Speaker 3: injury and he's not considered special. But you know he'll
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  Speaker 3: get drafted. You know, guys like that, you just don't
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  Speaker 3: you don't know when they're gonna get drafted. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you're dealing with a guy. I mean, he's a big man.
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  Speaker 1: H Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Green, the quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: He kind of reminds me. I listened to you everywhere
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  Speaker 5: you go, and you know, I thought he would be
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  Speaker 5: a guy that people want to talk about more, but
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't seem like it. So I just wanted to
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  Speaker 5: get your just like assessment of him as a quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: as someone who can progress. He reminded me a lot,
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  Speaker 5: just as college tape of and when this guy was
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  Speaker 5: in college of Dak Prescott.
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  Speaker 3: But I wanted to get like your assessment of him.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned him because I've been doing a
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  Speaker 3: lot of thinking about the quarterback position and the way
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  Speaker 3: people think about the position now on Yebo and just
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  Speaker 3: before we get to Green, just you know, a little
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  Speaker 3: general point. For some reason, I think that we've spent
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  Speaker 3: so much time now on talking about what are perceived
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  Speaker 3: as physical traits, and we think of those traits as
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  Speaker 3: having a strong arm and being able to run around
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to and we don't celebrate anymore, seemingly the
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  Speaker 3: ability to play the position from the pocket. It the
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  Speaker 3: right way, and by the way, that's a trait. You know.
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  Speaker 3: So Green is a guy that is obviously a great athlete, okay,
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  Speaker 3: but he's going to have to learn how to play
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  Speaker 3: from the pocket at an appropriate NFL level, and that
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  Speaker 3: makes him a work in progress. Now what's the balance there?
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  Speaker 3: That's the question teams always have to decide. In other words,
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  Speaker 3: if you draft him and he's not going to be
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  Speaker 3: drafted in you know, in the first fifty. But if
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  Speaker 3: you draft him and you decide he's your backup, uh,
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  Speaker 3: and he has to go in the game, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the question is what's he going to do for you? Now,
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  Speaker 3: there's no question that defenses have to play differently, and
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  Speaker 3: that's where he poses a problem because obviously he's a tremendous,
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  Speaker 3: tremendous athlete. But his twenty twenty five tape was littered
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  Speaker 3: with too many plays where he was slow processing. He
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  Speaker 3: was a beat late with throws. Oddly enough, his delivery
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  Speaker 3: there's no twitch to it. It's kind of slow, it's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit elongated. But he's got this magnetic athletic ability.
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  Speaker 3: So what is the balance? You know, the guys who
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  Speaker 3: are pure pocket guys, if we want to put a
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  Speaker 3: numerical number on it, those guys to play really well
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  Speaker 3: have to be a nine or ten. Can a tail
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  Speaker 3: in green be a five from the pocket and still
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  Speaker 3: be a really good NFL quarterback because of the other elements.
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  Speaker 4: How much stock is actually put into like these pro
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  Speaker 4: days and the combine, Whereas like you know, I would
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  Speaker 4: think that people will specifically focus on the tape that's
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  Speaker 4: out there for these players.
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  Speaker 3: I see guys who do this, you know, quote unquote
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  Speaker 3: draft gurus who freaking change their their evaluations every week now,
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, what, you know, these guys haven't played
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  Speaker 3: football why because they spoke to a scout or a
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  Speaker 3: GM who told them that, hey, we like this guy
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  Speaker 3: more so now they say, oh, I've rewatched some tape
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  Speaker 3: on this guy, so I've moved them up. It's just
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  Speaker 3: because they talk to someone. These you know, the the
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  Speaker 3: Pro days on the combine are team and organization specific.
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  Speaker 3: But for the most part, the way teams look at
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  Speaker 3: at evaluation is tape and the person. That's the way
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  Speaker 3: most teams do it, you know. It's the other stuff
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  Speaker 3: is more to make sure that there's not a red
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  Speaker 3: flag or that there's something that's so incredibly positive that
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  Speaker 3: it makes you think, oh, yeah, Wow, we really liked
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  Speaker 3: his tape, and then look at this guy. Look at
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  Speaker 3: the athletic testing measurables. They're great. That validates what we
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  Speaker 3: saw on tape, but they use that more as validation
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  Speaker 3: one way or the other. They don't use it as
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  Speaker 3: the foundation.
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  Speaker 2: Greg, I'm gonna stick in the secondary here because there's
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  Speaker 2: a guy. If Eagles do stick and pick at twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: which I did, I don't believe will happen, but if
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  Speaker 2: they did, there's this kid from San Diego State who
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  Speaker 2: I really like. I think he matches set. Yes, he
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  Speaker 2: matches exactly the way that Avic Fangio would want a
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  Speaker 2: corner to play.
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  Speaker 3: He's a zone corner, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I've watched him again. I'm a novice obviously, but from
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  Speaker 2: what I see, he kind of reminds me a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of Quenya Mitchley.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Johnson. I watched five full games. He's
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  Speaker 3: six feet plus one ninety three. Testing measurables were very good.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was. He played left corner for them
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  Speaker 3: pretty much, so he's a solid outside corner prospect. He's
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  Speaker 3: got really good length. He's very controlled and calculated with
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  Speaker 3: his movement. He has extensive experience playing both man and zone,
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  Speaker 3: more zone than man, and he plays it well. There's
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  Speaker 3: a physical component to his game, which I really really
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  Speaker 3: like he's an attitude corner. We know, Fanjoe would love
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  Speaker 3: that he's competitive. He's got that outstanding playing personality. I
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  Speaker 3: like Chris Johnson. The only concern is he's not necessarily
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  Speaker 3: sudden or twitchy. And the question is, you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: quicker than fast in the way in which he played
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  Speaker 3: at times he didn't show recovery birth or accelerating speed,
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  Speaker 3: so you have to decide what that means. I would
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  Speaker 3: say that's probably the only thing that really stood out
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  Speaker 3: to me in his you know, in his tape, you know,
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  Speaker 3: is so he's a little I don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: he's tight. He's not tight the way you think of tight.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a lot to like about him. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's just one of those guys that's a really solid prospect.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like he's a high floor player, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not the highest ceiling, but a higher floor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The way in which he plays, I would have
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  Speaker 3: to believe that he works at it because he plays smart,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So again, sometimes you can tell that by
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  Speaker 3: the way a guy plays that hey, he works at it,
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  Speaker 3: he studies, you know. That's the way I kind of
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  Speaker 3: felt watching him, that that he's very controlled, very calculated
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  Speaker 3: that he understood, you know, he's a good prospect. He's
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  Speaker 3: just not a special physical talent.