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Bonus Episode: Conspiracies, Kanye, and Contrition · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast. It comes after the podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland. The after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after Party.
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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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Speaker 1: the party. The bridge to get you from one full
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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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Speaker 1: we are discussing Lady gagat conspiracies, Kanye West's apology, and
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Speaker 1: in our exclusive section, we're gonna dig into the David
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Speaker 1: Bowie Kanye West conspiracy to end all conspiracies, plus tell
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Speaker 1: the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end
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Speaker 1: up telling someone else. All Right, this goes, Let's get
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Speaker 1: into it, okay. As noted in our recent episode on
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Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, the best conspiracy theories are fueled by bizarre truths,
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Speaker 1: which is why the Gaga conspiracy theories are compelling compared
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Speaker 1: to say, the conspiracy theories about Kanye West. The theory
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Speaker 1: that Kanye is a clone, the theory that Kanye is
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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's protector, that Kanye is David Bowie's starman. This theory,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is batshit crazy, and Zeth and I
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Speaker 1: are unpacking it in the exclusive section of the After
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Speaker 1: Party that's coming up later. The Kanye Bowie theory aside, though,
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Speaker 1: there are also the numerous conspiracy theories Kanye himself has spread. Now.
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Speaker 1: Most are gross anti Semitic vitriol that I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to repeat here, but good examples of the awful behavior
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Speaker 1: that Kanye is now seeking to redeem himself of, and
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Speaker 1: that ladies and gentlemen is news. Okay, just this past Monday,
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Speaker 1: on January twenty fifth, twenty twenty six, Kanye, excuse me,
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Speaker 1: I keep calling him Kanye. I'm supposed to call him
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Speaker 1: ye or Yea or however the hell it's pronounced. I'm
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Speaker 1: calling him Kanye. Kanye took out a full page in
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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal earlier this week on Monday. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to read it in its entirety. Don't worry,
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Speaker 1: It's relatively short. But I'm doing this for a reason,
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Speaker 1: mainly because I want to know what you guys think
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Speaker 1: of this apology? Is it enough for you to forgive him?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're all aware of his transgressions, and he's
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the worst of them in this letter.
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Speaker 1: So I want to know if this apology, if it
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Speaker 1: if it holds up for you guys, if it carries
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Speaker 1: the water, and if not, why not. I'll let you
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Speaker 1: know my thoughts on the other end, all right? Like
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Speaker 1: I said, this is a paid advertisement in the Wall
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Speaker 1: Street Journal titled to Those I've Hurt by Ye Yay
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Speaker 1: I Can Never Get It Right, formerly known as Kanye West.
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Speaker 1: To Those I've Hurt. Twenty five years ago, I was
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Speaker 1: in a car accident that broke my jaw and caused
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Speaker 1: injury to the right frontal lobe of my brain. At
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Speaker 1: the time, the focus was on the visible damage, the fracture,
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Speaker 1: the swelling, and the immediate physical trauma. The deeper injury,
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Speaker 1: the one inside my skull, went on noticed. Comprehensive scans
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Speaker 1: were not done, neurological exams were limited, and the possibility
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Speaker 1: of a frontal lobe injury was never raised. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: properly diagnosed until twenty twenty three, and that medical oversight
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Speaker 1: cause serious damage to my mental health and let to
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Speaker 1: my bipolar type one diagnosis. Bipolar disorder comes with its
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Speaker 1: own defense system, denial. When your manic, you don't think
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Speaker 1: you're sick. You think everyone else is overreacting. You feel
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Speaker 1: like you're seeing the world more clearly than ever, when
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Speaker 1: in reality, you're losing your grip entirely. Once people label
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Speaker 1: you as crazy, you feel as if you cannot contribute
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Speaker 1: anything meaningful to the world. It's easy for people to
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Speaker 1: joke and laugh it off, when in fact this is
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Speaker 1: a very serious, debilitating disease you can die from. According
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Speaker 1: to the World Health Organization and Cambridge University, people with
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Speaker 1: bipolar disorder have a life expectancy that is shortened by
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Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years on average, and a two to
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Speaker 1: three times higher all cause mortality rate than the general population.
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Speaker 1: This is on par with severe heart disease, type one, diabetes, HIV,
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Speaker 1: and cancer, all lethal and fatal if left untreated. The
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Speaker 1: scariest thing about this disorder is how persuasive it is
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Speaker 1: when it tells you you do not need help. It
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Speaker 1: makes you blind, but convinced you have insight. You feel powerful, certain, unstoppable.
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Speaker 1: I lost touch with reality things got worse the longer
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Speaker 1: I ignored the problem. I said and did things I
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Speaker 1: deeply regret. Some of the people I love the most
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Speaker 1: I treated the worst. You endured fear, confusion, humiliation, and
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Speaker 1: the exhaustion of trying to have someone who was at
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Speaker 1: times unrecognizable looking back, I became detached from my true
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Speaker 1: self in that fractured state, I gravitated toward the most
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Speaker 1: destructive symbol I could find, the swastika, and even sold
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Speaker 1: T shirts bearing it. And one of the difficult aspects
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Speaker 1: of having bipolar type one are the disconnected moments, many
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Speaker 1: of which I still cannot recall, that led to poor
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Speaker 1: judgment and reckless behavior that oftentimes feels like an out
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Speaker 1: of body experience. I regret and in deeply mortified by
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Speaker 1: my actions in that state, and am committed to accountability,
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Speaker 1: treatment and meaningful change. It does not excuse what I did.
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Speaker 1: Though I am not a Nazi or an anti Semi.
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Speaker 1: I love Jewish people to the Black community, which held
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Speaker 1: me down through all the highs and lows and the
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Speaker 1: darkest of times. The Black community is unquestionably the foundation
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Speaker 1: of who I am. I am so sorry to have
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Speaker 1: let you down. I love us In early twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: I fell into a four month long manic episode of psychotic,
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Speaker 1: paranoid and impulsive behavior that destroyed my life. As the
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Speaker 1: situation became increasingly unsustainable, there were times I didn't want
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Speaker 1: to be here anymore. Having bipolar disorder is a notable
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Speaker 1: state of constant mental illness. When you go into a
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Speaker 1: manic episode, you are ill. At that point, when you
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Speaker 1: are not in an episode, you are completely normal, and
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Speaker 1: that's when the wreckage from the illness hits the hardest,
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Speaker 1: hitting rock bottom. A few months ago, my wife encouraged
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Speaker 1: me to finally get help. I have found comfort in
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Speaker 1: reddit forms of all places. Different people speak of being
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Speaker 1: in manic or depressive episodes of a similar nature. I
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Speaker 1: read their stories and realize that I was not alone.
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Speaker 1: It's not just me who ruins their entire life once
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Speaker 1: a year. Despite taking meds every day and being told
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Speaker 1: by the so called best doctors in the world that
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Speaker 1: I am not bipolar but merely experiencing symptoms of autism,
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Speaker 1: my words as a leader in my community have global
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Speaker 1: impact and influence. In my mania, I lost complete sight
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Speaker 1: of that. As I find my new baseline and new
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Speaker 1: center through an effective regime of medication, therapy, exercise, and
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Speaker 1: clean living. I have new found, much needed clarity. I
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Speaker 1: am pouring my energy into positive, meaningful art, music, clothing design,
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Speaker 1: and other new ideas to help the world. I'm not
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Speaker 1: asking for so empathy or a free pass, though I
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Speaker 1: aspire to earn your forgiveness. I write today simply to
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Speaker 1: ask for your patience and understanding as I find my
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Speaker 1: way home with love. Ye, So what do you think?
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Speaker 1: I really want to know, and I'm I'm hesitant to
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Speaker 1: let you know what I think because I don't want to.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to influence your opinion in any way.
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Speaker 1: And I guess I don't have I don't have a
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Speaker 1: firm take on this yet. You know, noticeably, the phrase
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry or I apologize is missing from that entire statement.
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Speaker 1: He does talk about earning our forgiveness, he does talk
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Speaker 1: about his regret over what he had said, and he
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Speaker 1: clearly damns and judges himself for it. So that could
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Speaker 1: just be a semantic thing. But everything else seems so
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Speaker 1: intentional in this letter that it also seems kind of
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Speaker 1: intentional that that phrase wasn't there. I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm willing. I guess what I'm saying is,
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Speaker 1: I'm willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Speaker 1: I think Kanye West is one of the greatest musical
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Speaker 1: artists from pop music that we've we've ever had. He's tremendous,
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Speaker 1: tremendously talented, you know, on the level with the great
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Speaker 1: greatest of all time. And I think what has happened
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Speaker 1: to him is to use a word intentionally disgraceful. And
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Speaker 1: you know, though I'm not part of the black community,
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Speaker 1: I do feel let down by him just as a
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Speaker 1: as not even as a Kanye fan, but just as
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Speaker 1: a fan of music. So I don't really know what
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Speaker 1: to make of this. I'm willing to give him the
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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. I'm trying try not to look
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Speaker 1: at this with one cynicism, because that's not that's not
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Speaker 1: my jam. That's not how I look at anything really
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Speaker 1: except politics. So it's a difficult one. I think what
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is, you know, I've done some some
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Speaker 1: thinking here. Okay, I've done very little research, but I've
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Speaker 1: done some thinking, and you know that thinking, you know,
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Speaker 1: let me. When I read this, I had a couple thoughts. First,
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Speaker 1: why now why is he doing this now? Second, is
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Speaker 1: Kanye broke And the answer to that question is no,
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Speaker 1: not even close. After his racist breakdown, his net worth
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Speaker 1: plummeted from two point seven billion down to an estimated
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Speaker 1: four hundred million. Now, Kanye disputes this valuation, pegging his
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Speaker 1: net worth himself closer to the original two billion, but
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Speaker 1: after losing valuable partnerships with Adidas the gap Balenciaga said,
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Speaker 1: I pronounce that bllan. It's hard to see how that
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Speaker 1: two bill number is even the less than two point
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Speaker 1: seven bill, the two bill number that Kanye is saying.
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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to see how that's accurate. But still,
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Speaker 1: even if it's just four hundred million, that's four hundred million.
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Speaker 1: And I don't care who you are, what type of
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Speaker 1: lifestyle you are used to, four hundred million is still
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Speaker 1: fuck you money. So no, Kanye West isn't broke and
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Speaker 1: he doesn't need the money here. So if it's not
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Speaker 1: the money, can we presume perhaps the Kanye, despite whatever
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Speaker 1: other selfish reasons he might have, social standing, access to
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Speaker 1: his kids, audience, growth, whatever, can we presume here that
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Speaker 1: he's being sincere that his bipolar condition is the actual
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Speaker 1: reason and that he's truly sorry. I can buy the excuse,
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Speaker 1: I guess I think, even though that's not what he's
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Speaker 1: calling it. I don't want to put words in his mouth.
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Speaker 1: He didn't really come out and literally say this is
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Speaker 1: the excuse, though he is giving. It is a reason.
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Speaker 1: Lots of people are sick, and Kanye West certainly seems
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Speaker 1: like he's one of them. But is he truly sorry that?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope so. So what I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna do is dig more into Kanye West and try
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Speaker 1: to find out all to say, it feels like there's
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Speaker 1: a Kanye West episode coming soon. In the meantime, however,
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Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys think of this apology.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe number one, do you believe his remorse
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Speaker 1: is sincere? And number two? Can you still listen to
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Speaker 1: his music? Either or both? Answers to six one seven
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Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight to let me
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Speaker 1: know and you might hear your answer on next week's
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Speaker 1: after Party Bonus episode. And don't sleep on this, David
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Speaker 1: Bowie Kanye West conspiracy theory that I mentioned earlier, Zeth
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Speaker 1: and I are unpacking it in the exclusive section of
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Speaker 1: All right back to Gaga in the Conspiracy Theories, our
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Speaker 1: slot is our Kendrick Lamar episode, and then next week
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Speaker 1: our brand new episode on Jane's Addiction. This is part
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Speaker 1: two of our Jan's Addiction story. We'll be rolling out
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Speaker 1: Part one on Monday from our archive as a refresher,
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Speaker 1: and then the new Jane' Ediction story on the grimy
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Speaker 1: true crime origins of the band will hit on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: So when you're listening to Jane's edition, part to be
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Speaker 1: thinking about which band best embodies the nineteen nineties? Is
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Speaker 1: it Jane's addiction? Now hold up. I know some of
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Speaker 1: you are going to go straight to Nirvana or to
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Speaker 1: another Seattle band, but without Jane's addiction paving the way
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Speaker 1: through the mainstream First, As we discussed in this coming episode,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine Nirvana or anyone else breaking out
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Speaker 1: in that most glorious decade. So the question is which
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Speaker 1: or call me and leave me a voicemail six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight, and you
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Speaker 1: might just hear your answer on next week's after party.
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Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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Speaker 1: You guys, want to send me a voicemail. You want
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Speaker 1: to leave me a message, You want to answer one
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Speaker 1: of our questions, the question of the week. You want
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Speaker 1: to send me a text? All that through six one
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Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight. You want
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Speaker 1: to connect with me in any way, that is the
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Speaker 1: best way to do it. Let's check out this voicemail.
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Speaker 1: It's a long one, but it's a good one, this
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Speaker 1: one from the nine to one six.
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Speaker 2: Jake, this is mister Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina calling
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Speaker 2: in about last week's bonus episode about the Grammys and
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Speaker 2: then the Grammys are iconic. You know, I agree with
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Speaker 2: your take that it's a mess. It's totally unrepresentative of
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Speaker 2: what the fans really care about. It has everything to
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Speaker 2: do with what the industry wants to push. But there's
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Speaker 2: been so many great Grammy moments. I think back to
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Speaker 2: Henry Rawlins performing a liar to a stunned crowd of
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Speaker 2: tuxedo clad music executives, while Henry Rollins is himself wearing
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Speaker 2: a tuxedo, but of course he's barefoot, as he always is.
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Speaker 2: You know, Eddie Vedder said it best when he accepted
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Speaker 2: his Grammy in nineteen ninety six for Vitology. You know,
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Speaker 2: I'd understand what it means to get to an award
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Speaker 2: for art. What does it really mean? Or even just
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Speaker 2: this last year, when Kendrick Lamar swept the Grammys and
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Speaker 2: had an entire arena of Drake's collaborators and so called
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Speaker 2: friends singing the seminal line from one of the great
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Speaker 2: distracts of all time. You know, The Grammys have some
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Speaker 2: full circle too. Here we are this year, and I'm
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Speaker 2: encouraged to see bands like Turnstile and Wet Leg and
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Speaker 2: Amel and the Sniffers and Young Blood had been nominated.
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Speaker 2: But in those same categories you have the Death Tones
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Speaker 2: in Lincoln Parks nominated. So if you go back to
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Speaker 2: Jethro Toll beating out Metallic, which at times seemed crazy
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Speaker 2: to me, you know, seventeen years after Apalong came out
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Speaker 2: and they were no longer relevant, You've got the Death
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Speaker 2: Tones up against Turnstile twenty six years after their breakout
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Speaker 2: album lay Tony was released, and they might just win.
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Speaker 2: Do I want to see the Death Tones when Grammy? Hell,
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Speaker 2: yes I do. But you know, would it be a
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Speaker 2: shame for Turnstile to lose? Definitely? But I guess either
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Speaker 2: die a hero you live long enough to see yourself
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Speaker 2: become the villain. Anyway, it's going to be a mess.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be watching. It's always fun. We hate the
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Speaker 2: Grammys until the band that you love wins one, and
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Speaker 2: then you feel like you're validated. I'd understand it, but
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Speaker 2: that's part of the fun of being a music fan.
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Speaker 2: That's all I gotta say rock a Roller, Jacob, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, I love this. It's thoughtful nine to one six.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and I love I love how
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Speaker 1: you framed the death Tones. The Deaftones are are to
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Speaker 1: Turnstyle what Jethrow Tall was to Metallica. You didn't say
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Speaker 1: it quite that way, but that's essentially what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: and it makes it makes a lot of sense. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: if the Deaftones win, I'm gonna be upset, because yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love your whole take here, and to your point,
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Speaker 1: we do hate the Grammys until the band that we
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Speaker 1: love knabs one. So I will be upset if the
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Speaker 1: Deaftones win and Turnstyle loses. In conversy, I'll be excited
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Speaker 1: if Turnstyle wins. There, you got me. There it is.
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Speaker 1: I don't hate the Grammys, I guess. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: hear from the five.
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Speaker 3: Away as Mike from the five Away, And so I
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Speaker 3: was thinking about, you know, the previous question of the
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Speaker 3: best female artist to cover. You know, I noticed that
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Speaker 3: unless after perty with all the talk about the first
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Speaker 3: generation punk bands and you know, and the throwback episode
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Speaker 3: to MC five, we forgot a humongous, glaring RT, which
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Speaker 3: is why is there no episode on Patti Smith. It
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Speaker 3: just it's like duh. But anyway, other than that, a
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Speaker 3: few other suggestions I had, maybe share Beyonce, Carol King,
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Speaker 3: maybe an episode on the Fujis because now apparently two
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Speaker 3: out of three members are have gone to jail. So anyway,
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Speaker 3: Rock and Roller five.
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Speaker 1: Owight, great call, great call. You know I have. I
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Speaker 1: think I have all of the Patti Smith books, like
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Speaker 1: the ones that have been released recently. That started with
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Speaker 1: I think jess Kids was the first one about her
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Speaker 1: relationship with Robert Maplethorpe, and and I purposefully and then
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Speaker 1: and so I bought that in that I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I bought her my sister got it for me,
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Speaker 1: but I got it early on and I purposefully did
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Speaker 1: not read it exuse I was like, I'm eventually going
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Speaker 1: to get into researching her, and I'll read it then.
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Speaker 1: And from that point that book came out and like
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Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen, something like that.
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Speaker 1: From that point on, everybody not everybody, but I've just
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Speaker 1: gotten as gifts the other Patty Smith books and I
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Speaker 1: haven't read any of them for the same reason. So
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Speaker 1: now's the time. Thank you for Resurfing, Resurfacing this and
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Speaker 1: five O eight. If you haven't seen the movie Maplethorpe,
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Speaker 1: or any of you guys haven't seen it, I highly
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Speaker 1: recommend it. It's great Patty Smith. There's a small part
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Speaker 1: for the Patti Smith character in there as well, which
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Speaker 1: is really good. The movie's fantastic. It's I really loved it.
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Speaker 1: I think it's it's better than most music biopics that
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Speaker 1: are released these days. It kind of has everything that
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Speaker 1: I love about biopics. It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't
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Speaker 1: shy away from the darkness in uh in any way. Really,
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Speaker 1: it's fantastic. All right, let's go to text from the
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Speaker 1: four oh two says please do an episode on Kim Deal.
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Speaker 1: I noticed we got an email on that same artist's
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Speaker 1: suggestion this week as well. I would love to dig
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Speaker 1: into some Pixies and Kim Deal research. I got to
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Speaker 1: figure out if there's if there's a crime anywhere near this.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there is. There might be. I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying there's not, but that'll be my first, my first peek,
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Speaker 1: and if there is, we'll find a way into telling
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Speaker 1: the story on Kim Deal. Seven two four texts and Hey,
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Speaker 1: this isn't really anything related to music, but hope you
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Speaker 1: and your kids were able to enjoy the winter storm.
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Speaker 1: The fiance and I made snow angels and keep the
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Speaker 1: spirit of youth alive. Get a little picture of a
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Speaker 1: backyard covered in snow. I'm not sure where the seven
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Speaker 1: two four is texting from, and got the nice little
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Speaker 1: snow angels there. Very cool out looking through the text
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Speaker 1: right here seven two four. This is I believe from
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Speaker 1: somewhere in the South, though I cannot nail down the
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Speaker 1: location from this text thread. Anyways, I appreciate it. You
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Speaker 1: guys got buried in snow. I feel for you. I
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Speaker 1: did not. I'm a bit further south these days, and
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Speaker 1: it is cold, though colder than it's ever been for
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Speaker 1: me down here, but I will be back up in
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Speaker 1: the Northeast in a couple of days. I'm gonna visit
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Speaker 1: my family, gonna see my newborn nephew, and I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: watch my New England Patriots in the Super Bowl with
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Speaker 1: the fam up in New England, as it should be done.
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Speaker 1: And I'm hoping for snow. One I'm up there more snow.
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Speaker 1: I know you don't want to hear it, but That's
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Speaker 1: what I'm hoping for. Five eight oh rights in hey
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Speaker 1: Byork might be a really interesting story, maybe too weird,
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Speaker 1: but definitely punk. Five eight oh we got a b
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Speaker 1: York episode in the archive and it's really good. Check
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Speaker 1: text in Jackie Fox was on Jeopardy and she was amazing.
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Speaker 1: Three six zho is texting in regards to Jackie Fox
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Speaker 1: from the Runaways episode we featured last week on Jeopardy.
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Speaker 1: Something we share in common with ms Fox the whole
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Speaker 1: being on Jeopardy thing over on Instagram. Doctor Momo dot
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Speaker 1: nine seven four rights in relation to our Lady Gaga episode.
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Speaker 1: You watched Billy Corgan's interview too, Maybe he got inspired
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Speaker 1: by you in the first place as well. Not sure
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Speaker 1: about that. I didn't know what doctor Momo nine seven
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Speaker 1: four was talking about, but apparently Billy Corgan has been
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Speaker 1: going deep into the occult on his podcast and did
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Speaker 1: not interview Lady Gaga. That's what I was hoping for.
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Speaker 1: That'd be great Billy Corgan interviewing Lady Gaga. Let's make
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Speaker 1: that happen. We get this email from listener Knox Bronson
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Speaker 1: on the subject of the jone Jet cult. The Cult
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Speaker 1: of Jon Jet, Knox writes in Jake Knox Bronson Here. Hi.
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Speaker 1: Back in the mid nineties, I picked up a little
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Speaker 1: black and white freebie magazine eight and a half by eleven,
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Speaker 1: printed on newsprint, probably at Amba Records or Rasputants in Berkeley.
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Speaker 1: It was called The Node and it was run by
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Speaker 1: a couple of women. They seem to have a collective
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Speaker 1: in the Hayte Ashbury in San Francisco, and they did
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Speaker 1: Macintosh oriented computer services. I can't remember exactly what it's
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Speaker 1: been thirty years, but they did worship Jon Jet, absolutely
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Speaker 1: no question, very prominent in the magazine. I never saw
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Speaker 1: another copy of The Node. I of course found it
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Speaker 1: fascinating still do kind of, especially after your episode about it.
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Speaker 1: But I can assure you without any doubt that there
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Speaker 1: was some tiny cult who worshiped jone Jet and the
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Speaker 1: Hate in San Francisco in the nineteen nineties. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember me, but I'm the one
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Speaker 1: who told you the story about John Spacey and who
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Speaker 1: really killed Nancy Sponge In anyway, I just wanted to
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Speaker 1: let you know it did exist, and I sure wish
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Speaker 1: I had that little magazine now yours. Knox Bronson of
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Speaker 1: Oakland Knox. Thank you, my man. Knox is writing in
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Speaker 1: in reference to our mini episode on the cult that
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Speaker 1: worships Joan Jet as a God. We released that mini
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Speaker 1: episode last week in tandem with our new Runaways episode.
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Speaker 1: Mini episodes are of course available to All Access members.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Fascinating story, one of many fascinating stories that we come
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Speaker 1: upon in our research that doesn't really fit into the
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Speaker 1: story we're we're trying to tell in the full episodes,
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Speaker 1: So those, as most of you know, become mini episodes. Uh,
25:34
Speaker 1: just these little anecdotes that are just fascinating for music history.
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Speaker 1: And they're short, they're sweet. They're about five minutes long,
25:42
Speaker 1: five to ten something like that. They make for good,
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Speaker 1: gotta kind of you gotta keep Polly Walnuts occupied and
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Speaker 1: you need a story to tell them. That's kind of
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Speaker 1: what these stories are. They're short, but they are really
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Speaker 1: kind of like holy shit, there's a cult that worshiped
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Speaker 1: Jon Jet as a god. Like that's I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I find that interesting. Maybe you will too, And if so,
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Speaker 1: that's what those mini episodes are. Therefore, actually that's what
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26:28
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26:29
Speaker 1: episodes are like the shot. The beers are like the
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Speaker 1: full episode. I don't know what the fun I'm talking about.
26:34
Speaker 1: All right, I'll be back after this. All right, Guys,
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31:57
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Speaker 1: let's recap, shall we? Number one? This week? Our Lady
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Speaker 1: a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares
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Speaker 1: all right. Back on October fourth, two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 1: Lady Guy Guy's bestie, Lina Morgana took a dive off
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Speaker 1: of the roof of the Staten Island Hotel and unknowingly
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Speaker 1: same time. This is what America was listening to on
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Speaker 1: that day, according to the Billboard Charts, Number one Live
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