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Normally Podcast: Daniel Penny is Not Guilty · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are back on normally the show with normalish
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  Speaker 2: takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary
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  Speaker 2: Katherine Ham.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Carol Markolitz. How's it going, Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 1: It's going all right.
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  Speaker 2: The University of Georgia Bulldogs are SEC champions and going
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  Speaker 2: to a playoff that does not include Alabama, So sorry,
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  Speaker 2: Alabama fans.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm taking a cheap shot at this moment.
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  Speaker 2: In your life, but it's like one of the first
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  Speaker 2: times that this has happened to y'all.
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  Speaker 3: I am very happy for the sports ball whatever this means.
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  Speaker 2: You're celebrating with me. My Ki's watched it with me
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  Speaker 2: and they have about the same take on it as
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  Speaker 2: you do. But I felt their solidarity with me exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, I would say that my kids and I root
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  Speaker 3: for Georgia because of you, but also because of that
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  Speaker 3: song where the girl falls in love with somebody from
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  Speaker 3: Tennessee and then starts wearing his Tennessee stuff, And my
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  Speaker 3: kids are just like, that is not done. No switch
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  Speaker 3: team allegiances because we get married.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That song is called Tennessee Orange and it is a travesty.
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  Speaker 2: And your children are correct, they have the correct moral compass.
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  Speaker 2: It's right, and I can't believe that it's about a
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  Speaker 2: Georgia football fan and a female Georgia football fan, which
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  Speaker 2: makes me it's like.
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  Speaker 1: A pox on my house and I don't appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Right. I think that song attacks you personally.
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  Speaker 2: It sort of does, like girl, pull it together. You
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  Speaker 2: don't have to wear that color orange. You have a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful flowering red.
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  Speaker 1: That you can exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: So, as we're recording this, just a few minutes ago,
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  Speaker 3: the charges against Daniel Penny were dismissed in New York.
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Penny, for those who don't know, is the man
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  Speaker 3: on the subway who protected an entire subway car full
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  Speaker 3: of people from a belligerent homeless man, Jordan Neely, and
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  Speaker 3: for his bravery, he's been accused of crimes and so
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  Speaker 3: he's been on this trial. It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 3: On Friday, the jury was unable to reach a verdict
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  Speaker 3: on the main charge of manslaughter, and when they came back,
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  Speaker 3: they said, we're unable to reach the charge. Unable to
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  Speaker 3: reach a verdict on this charge. The judge dismissed that
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  Speaker 3: charge and asked them to consider the lesser charge of
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  Speaker 3: criminally negligent homicide, which they came back today and said,
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  Speaker 3: not guilty. Now, I try to say that it's unusual
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  Speaker 3: to do that, and from what I've read, it's almost
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  Speaker 3: never done where you just.
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  Speaker 1: So unusual, no one could find a precedent for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they dismissed. I'm dismissing the bigger charge and
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  Speaker 3: asking the jury to consider a smaller charge. Daniel Penny's
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  Speaker 3: lawyers had called for a mistrial. The judge said no,
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  Speaker 3: And so it's interesting that it worked out the way
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  Speaker 3: it has. I am super relieved. I mean that's the
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  Speaker 3: feeling I felt when I read that he was not guilty.
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  Speaker 3: Extreme relief. I'm so happy for him and his family.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of these moments where when this originally happened,
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  Speaker 2: and as the trial progresses, it's one of those moments
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  Speaker 2: where I feel most out of step with the left
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  Speaker 2: and this country is on issues of self defense and
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  Speaker 2: this this kind of incident, because there will be a
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  Speaker 2: very quick gelling of public opinion that this guy does
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  Speaker 2: something wrong with him Daniel Penny, and I go. My
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  Speaker 2: immediate reaction is he did the correct thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're allowed somebody would do on our subway car.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you're allowed to defend yourself and others, and in fact,
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  Speaker 2: defending others at risk to your personal safety is bravery,
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  Speaker 2: it's honorable, and so to watch this happen makes me
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  Speaker 2: sick to my stomach to watch people dragged through this.
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  Speaker 2: There was another incident where a bodega owner, also almost
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  Speaker 2: prosecuted by Alvin Bragg in New York, shot someone who
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  Speaker 2: robbed him and was threatening him, and he was put
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  Speaker 2: in rikers at least briefly until public outroar got him
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  Speaker 2: or outrage got him moved out of there and the
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  Speaker 2: charges dropped. But Bragg routinely lets criminals slide and then
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  Speaker 2: nitpicks and punishes the law abiding.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. He is known for basically making crime legal
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  Speaker 3: in New York City, where it's very hard to get
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  Speaker 3: arrested for a crime. It's very hard to be charged
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  Speaker 3: or held or anything for a crime.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: But these examples that you've given are exactly who he
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  Speaker 3: targets he needs to go. I'd like to see some
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  Speaker 3: larger campaign against him. This last election has shown that
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  Speaker 3: the country wants to move in a different direction, and
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  Speaker 3: that includes Donald Trump moved New York City right ward.
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  Speaker 3: He got more votes than he did in the previous
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  Speaker 3: two elections. It was a real groundswell of support for him. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: it's still a deep blue city, so he's not going
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  Speaker 3: to win, but it was a movement, and I think
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  Speaker 3: people have had enough. They don't want to live in
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  Speaker 3: a place where the criminals get off and then the
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  Speaker 3: guys trying to stop crime are the ones who get punished.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that includes New York. I'm from South Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 3: It's you know, where I grew up, and that's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty deep red area at this point, and it gets
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  Speaker 3: redder every election because people are trying so hard to
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  Speaker 3: vote themselves out of that madness. So I know that
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  Speaker 3: on the right especially, there's a lot of like, who
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  Speaker 3: cares about New York? These people vote all wrong, But
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  Speaker 3: you have to picture these areas that are really trying
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  Speaker 3: and working and getting better all the time. Who are
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  Speaker 3: you know, hoping for a better life? And you know
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  Speaker 3: they're in the minority, yes, but they're doing their very
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  Speaker 3: best to vote themselves to sanity right well.
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people reacted in cities.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's partly why the swing was strong in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of cities, we're reacting to the on the
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  Speaker 2: ground results of governance by very far left Democrats, and
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  Speaker 2: the product is bad. The product is bad and often
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  Speaker 2: dangerous for good people who are trying to live and
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  Speaker 2: put together lives in these cities.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Penny's a.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty four year old former marine who probably saved a
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  Speaker 2: couple people from at least like from who knows what
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  Speaker 2: all that point because he was right, but Neeli came
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  Speaker 2: onto the train. I think it's important for context saying
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  Speaker 2: someone's going to die today and ranting, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people the witnesses testify to hiding and praying while
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  Speaker 2: he was on the car with them, so he was
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  Speaker 2: restrained and then this death happened. I just think that
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  Speaker 2: the more you tell people that this bad product is
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  Speaker 2: fantastic and they just have to put up with it,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's schools or city governance or this kind of thing,
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  Speaker 2: the more people are going to reject you.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. There's also the factor where we want people
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  Speaker 3: not to be bystanders, right. There's a lot of like
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  Speaker 3: when something goes wrong, we're like, why didn't anybody do anything?
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  Speaker 3: And Daniel Penny did do something, and he was punished
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  Speaker 3: for that, he was charged with a crime for that,
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  Speaker 3: and it's the reality is that I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: about what kind of you know, children I want to
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  Speaker 3: raise into adults, and I want my kids to be
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  Speaker 3: the kind of people that do step in and say
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  Speaker 3: something is going wrong here, I'm going to help. That's
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  Speaker 3: very hard to do when they see the good guys
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  Speaker 3: get punished, and that's a concern for us all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, the process is also a punishment.
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  Speaker 2: He did come out in the end not guilty here,
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  Speaker 2: I think rightly. But living in New York is going
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  Speaker 2: to be hard for him if he wishes to do that,
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  Speaker 2: which is where he was making his life. The can't
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  Speaker 2: imagine what he's spent. And I have assumed that others
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  Speaker 2: have chipped in and that he has probably some pro
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  Speaker 2: bono help at times, but to have good representations very expensive.
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  Speaker 2: The process is very stressful and painful, and I'm very
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  Speaker 2: glad that he will be able to make a new
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  Speaker 2: life at this point, whatever he chooses for that to be.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I recommend Florida. So Daniel Penny, come on
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  Speaker 3: down to Florida. We are waiting for you.
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  Speaker 2: Shall we talk about another weird Manhattan crime incident. Yes, so,
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  Speaker 2: the CEO of United Healthcare to Health insurance Company, one
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  Speaker 2: of the giants, Tom Brian TOFs, was murdered in cold
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  Speaker 2: blood on the streets of Manhattan. I believe a person
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  Speaker 2: of interest has been picked up at this point, and
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  Speaker 2: there have been photos released by NYPD and FBI of
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  Speaker 2: someone caught on surveillance camera.
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  Speaker 1: We get a pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Decent look at the face, but it looks like a
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  Speaker 2: targeted execution. The discourse post execution has been another thing
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  Speaker 2: that makes me feel out of touch with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the elite opinion in our country, because it seems
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  Speaker 2: very okay with people to go straight from cold blooded
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  Speaker 2: murder to well, don't get me wrong, I don't love murder.
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  Speaker 3: Right right, I just tolerate it in certain cases.
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  Speaker 2: But didn't the murderer kind of have a point because
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  Speaker 2: healthcare and I reject that pivot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right. And what's interesting is that there's so many
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  Speaker 3: journalists posting that. I forgot who tweeted it, but somebody
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  Speaker 3: was like, do you know what people think of journalists?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: If we're just killing people that whose professions we don't like,
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  Speaker 3: journalists are in trouble. There's also this, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the left lives out this French Revolution thing
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  Speaker 3: where where they could just imagine their bourgeoisie enemy getting killed.
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  Speaker 3: And this one guy yesterday on X was saying like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is I understand why people would go after the
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  Speaker 3: super wealthy. And then somebody asked him, like, do you
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  Speaker 3: live in Brooklyn And he said no, I live in Illinois.
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  Speaker 3: And somebody said red Illinois or blue Illinois and he
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  Speaker 3: said both. I have two houses. Like, dude, you're the
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  Speaker 3: first in line for the guillotine. What do you think
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  Speaker 3: the guy with two houses thinks that he's going to
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  Speaker 3: be on the right side of that revolution up against
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  Speaker 3: the wall?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think that the rhetoric is kind
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  Speaker 2: of how our elite folks sort of shield themselves from
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  Speaker 2: the two houses accusation. Right, They're like, I so woke
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  Speaker 2: that I can't be bad. Right, But it's it's bad
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  Speaker 2: to pivot, may it's bad to celebrate murder, which some
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  Speaker 2: people did, and be it bad to pivot from a
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  Speaker 2: murder to your preferred policy prescriptions. I don't think that's convincing.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's pretty gross, and I don't doubt that
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: we have problems with our health insurance and healthcare regimes
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  Speaker 2: in this country, which I was reliably told we're fixed
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  Speaker 2: by Obamacare entirely.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say, I think you've written some
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  Speaker 3: of the best stuff that I read about how bad
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  Speaker 3: it got with Obamacare and how it affected you personally.
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  Speaker 3: I think I know you should relink that piece at
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: some point, because it really was one of the better
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  Speaker 3: ones on it. And yeah, like the health care policies
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  Speaker 3: that you don't like were put in place by Obama.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's what the story is, that healthcare was fixed.
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  Speaker 2: But also we're so angry about healthcare we need to
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  Speaker 2: murder people in vigilante attacks. This doesn't make sense. And
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  Speaker 2: I do think look, if the target of something is
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  Speaker 2: like sort of approved disapproved by lefties, is a right
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  Speaker 2: coded target, then we very quickly can move on from
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  Speaker 2: the actual violence, whether it's an assassinationship attempt don Trump
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  Speaker 2: or this to the thing the left wants to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: and if it or the other way around, No, you
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  Speaker 2: don't get to pivot to talking about tax cuts.
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  Speaker 3: My dude, that's not how Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely. They
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  Speaker 3: use this violence for their own political means and it's
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  Speaker 3: really gross. I know, I know nothing about the details,
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  Speaker 3: just like most people, all people. I My guess, just
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  Speaker 3: as an avid law and order watcher, is that I
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  Speaker 3: think it's not connected to his work. And again this
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  Speaker 3: is a guest. I don't know, but it seems like
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  Speaker 3: a very personal murder. It does not seem like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the kind of hit where it would be a political statement.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just can't see it. I could
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  Speaker 3: be wrong. The whole thing with the etching on the bullets,
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  Speaker 3: which is the name of a book, it's Deny, No,
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  Speaker 3: it was, but it was. It was insurance terms were
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  Speaker 3: etched on the bullets. I almost think that's like a
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  Speaker 3: red herring. And it seemed meant to throw the yah
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  Speaker 3: a little bit too much. So we'll see. We don't
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  Speaker 3: know where this is going to go. If it's a
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  Speaker 3: story that has nothing to do with his job, or
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  Speaker 3: maybe like a a just gruntled employee, or who knows
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  Speaker 3: what it could be. Maybe we wait and see before
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  Speaker 3: the celebrations over his murders begin in blue cities.
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  Speaker 2: Just thought well, or also like, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the issue that's upsetting you, maybe wait until
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  Speaker 2: the murderer is apprehended and then we sort of figure
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  Speaker 2: that out before you move on to your nice discussion.
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  Speaker 1: I just find it so gross.
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  Speaker 3: Offer your suggestions for how we can change Obamacare into
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  Speaker 3: a system that actually works, because a lot of us
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: think that it doesn't and it hasn't, So you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe let's start there.
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  Speaker 2: Deny, depose, defend right the letters, allegedly messages allegedly etched
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  Speaker 2: into the bullets there. There has been somebody apprehended in
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania somewhere, apparently at a McDonald's, so we will find
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  Speaker 2: out more about him in the future.
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  Speaker 3: McDonald's is delicious, as we have discussed on this show before,
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  Speaker 3: so it makes a lot of sense that that's where
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  Speaker 3: this guy would be. We'll be right back on. Taylor Lorenz,
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  Speaker 3: formerly of The Washington Post and The New York Times,
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  Speaker 3: is one of the more famous people being outspokenly happy
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  Speaker 3: about his murder, and she wrote this thing where she
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  Speaker 3: said just because she's happy about his murder doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: she's calling for other CEOs to be murdered, although she
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  Speaker 3: did post a picture of the Blue Cross Blue Shield CEO,
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  Speaker 3: so not not sure what she's calling for exactly. Apparently,
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  Speaker 3: she and Vox have parted ways, which was news to
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  Speaker 3: me because I didn't know she was on Box and
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't know Vox was still around, So this was
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  Speaker 3: all a very exciting morning of news for me personally.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's worth contemplating that I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to give Taylor Lorenz too much attention, however, No, just attention. Yeah, However,
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  Speaker 2: it is worth contemplating that a person who is tweeting
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  Speaker 2: these things or blue skying them or whatever, and does
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  Speaker 2: they do over there publicly, unabashedly going on follow up
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  Speaker 2: interviews to talk about how just because I'm wishing death
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  Speaker 2: on CEOs doesn't mean I'm like asking for people to
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  Speaker 2: murder them per se. Okay, this is beyond the pale.
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  Speaker 2: This is bad public behavior. If I were doing this,
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  Speaker 2: I would.
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  Speaker 3: Be fired instantly.
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  Speaker 2: Until recently, this woman was a leading light of American journalism,
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  Speaker 2: fought over by the Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Post in the New York Times.
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  Speaker 2: Since then, she has comported herself so badly that she's
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  Speaker 2: lost several jobs. But it's not like she was well
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  Speaker 2: behaved before that, right, right, absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: That's yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When you get too bubbleized, you look at Taylor Lorenz
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  Speaker 2: and you go that makes sense maybe we should pay
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: her a lot of money to do the news reporting
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  Speaker 2: exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: So she was, you know, in line with their values
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  Speaker 3: for a long time. When she tried to out libs
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: of TikTok higher chik, she went to her family member's
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  Speaker 3: house and knocked on their doors, and that was all
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  Speaker 3: seen as okay, exposing an anonymous account on the internet
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  Speaker 3: and trying, you know, potentially exposing her to violence. Fine,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: but she would also constantly plead victim and say that
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  Speaker 3: she was being attacked and she was the victim of
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: threats and all of this, and it was like, girl,
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  Speaker 3: you're causing all of this. You're the problem.
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  Speaker 1: It's you.
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  Speaker 2: It's a classic sort of left leaning dynamic, which is
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  Speaker 2: that not wearing a mask or like having the wrong
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  Speaker 2: words is violence, but actually wishing violence upon people, that's
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  Speaker 2: a okay, right, words are violence. Violence is not that violent,
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  Speaker 2: not so much violent?
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  Speaker 1: All right, Carol.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk a little bit about the vibe shift.
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  Speaker 3: There's a vibe shift, for sure, the.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Cultural vibe shift continues.
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  Speaker 2: I want to play us a clip of Lana del Rey,
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  Speaker 2: singer Lendada Ray's comments on her marriage. But recently she
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: married a somewhat unexpected figures. It's like an airboat captain
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  Speaker 2: from the Everglades.
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  Speaker 3: I mean those airboat captains. They're like rugged, manly men,
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  Speaker 3: and I get.
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  Speaker 2: It, like if I may as someone from the South.
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  Speaker 2: She found herself a good old boy and I wholeheartedly approve.
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  Speaker 2: And everyone in the pop culture world was like, this
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  Speaker 2: is a weird match. But let's play a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a want of already talking about her marriage to
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  Speaker 2: her husband.
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  Speaker 4: He's a big reason why I waited so long to
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  Speaker 4: get married and why I met my amazing husband. And
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: I really feel like there's kind of a singer's curse around,
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  Speaker 4: like meeting an honest partner who has no skin in
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  Speaker 4: the game, no dog in the race, And it's super
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: nerve wracking to have to kind of hold on to
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  Speaker 4: an innocent perception of how things could go when you're
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: in an industry where maybe your values and your morals
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  Speaker 4: don't quite match up with what's going on.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, But his name is His name is Jeremy Dufrain,
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  Speaker 2: a Louisiana based alligator tour guide.
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  Speaker 1: Get it girl, But.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this is sort of feels a little like coded
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  Speaker 2: language for it.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed like she wanted to say Republican.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like maybe I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like hanging with a bunch of people whose values
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  Speaker 2: didn't align with mine, and then I found an alligator
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  Speaker 2: tour guide and his did Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: But what you're saying is really interesting, is it is
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: the vibe shift.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: It's something that I don't think she would be able
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: to say even two years ago, let alone four years
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: ago when things were really crazy. But it's like the
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: permission has been given to be yourself and to be different,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: and not to fall in line and not to kind
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: of walk that narrow path that you're supposed to walk
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: as a celebrity, which is the you must be a leftist,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: You must be like this and only like this.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Right says By the way, This went a little viral,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and a number of yours surmised that the star was
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: alluding to her own political beliefs being at odds with
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the majority in Hollywood, which has traditionally been seen as
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: being the base of democrat leaning celebrities. And of course,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot of hate based upon that.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: But I would like to just step out and say, Alana, enjoy,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: enjoy your marriage to Jeremy Dufrain speak openly about it.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: There's been you know, sort of knows in the air
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: commentary about her husband since it was announced that they
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: were married, and it took people by surprise.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: But I enjoy this storyline very much.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I agree, And I'm a huge Lana del Rey fan.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I called her since Video Games. I just I think
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: she's so fantastic and I love her music and it's okay,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: And in fact, it used to be a plus to
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: be unusual and original in Hollywood, and now it's become,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: you know, this really cookie cutter thing where everybody has
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: to be the same, and it is unfortunate, it really is.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: And if you are a leftist, that's fine and okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: but I think a lot of people who aren't feel
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: like they have to pretend that they are, and that's
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: a problem. And I'm glad Lenna del Rey is maybe
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: who even knows. Maybe she meant he's just a norm
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: and she likes that, which is okay.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Even that would be out of bounds for many people
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood, right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: They like, how do you not marry like a billionaire?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: In that case, if you want tonore me, at least
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: make them a really rich one.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I also noticed the other day that Gwen Stefani, who
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: also married a country star Blake Shelton, was doing a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: hallow app ad, which suggests that Mark Walmerberg has done
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a bunch of this. But he's always been very open
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: about his faith, and he's been sort of an exception
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: in Hollywood for that reason. The idea that Stefani is
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: sort of jumping on.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: This is interesting to me.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Hallow app is like a prayer and meditation app but
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it has a very specific Christian bent. And then I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: noticed the other day that Drea de Matteo, who was
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: formerly of the most famous for the Sopranos, but came
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: out pretty forcefully as pro Trump pre election, and I
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: noticed she's still being used in a fairly high end
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: makeup ad campaign, and I thought, interesting, that's really two
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: years ago they would have booted her and claimed they'd
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: never known her, right.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Like j who who We're going to take a short
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: break and come right back with normally.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: And then we were talking about how Trump has been
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: received in France.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Things done changed, as Biggie Small said, Oh.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: My gosh, it's I think part of it, as we
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: talked about last episode, is that a lot of people
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: are relieved to have an American leader on the field at.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: All, leader just like somebody.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: However, it felt like he when Trump was meeting with
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: foreign leaders in France, it felt a little above and beyond.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Like Prince William, who's not a head of state and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't really need to be around Trump if it's not
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: good for his brand, took pictures with him and put
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: it on his Instagram.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the last time I saw Prince William that
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: excited to meet somebody was Taylor Swift.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does feel like even if Macrone seemed
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to be enjoying his time with him, and they.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Had the handshake back and forth that they like to have,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: like he pulls, he pulls, he pulls, and then Trump
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: always wins because he's bigger.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Well, and then then you had Joe Biden sitting next
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to him. Of course she's caught smiling chatting with him.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I think the thing you hear almost unanimously about Trump
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: is that he is basically unfailingly charming as a meet
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and greet guy, Like, if you meet him and have
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: a conversation with him, you're gonna like him in that moment.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And so, but it does feel like people have given
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: themselves permission to sort of publicly enjoy that right and
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: just treat him like, wait, what's the word normalize him?
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, they're normalizing the American president.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Anyway, the vibe shift feels very real. I keep seeing
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: signals for it all over the place.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Trump Dance obviously, as we discussed a few
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: episodes ago, normalized him on the field in NFL games.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And yeah, this trip to Europe is very different than
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: previous trips, where I thought he was on edge and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: he maybe wasn't being treated that nicely by the other leader.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: This time he's the man in charge and everybody knows it,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: and so good for him.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: By the way, there's a trajectory here from our first story,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: which was the Daniel Penny incident. Happened in May of
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Now, if you had asked me before
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I checked it, I would have thought it was earlier
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: than that, because it felt very twenty twenty twenty twenty one. However,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I think it shows how long the sort of hangover
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: was from peak Cancel, woke culture and this type of prosecution.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So the idea that we're here now it feels like
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a different world from when Daniel Penny was charged.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I agree, like right, really feels lighter. Everything feels better.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I know I don't attribute it just to Donald Trump's win,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but there again, it's the vibe shift. There has been
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: a shift in perspective, and I think that did lead
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: to Donald Trump's win. But everything feels a lot more hopeful.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I know that that's a word the Democrats get to us,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: but you know, maybe the right conclaim it is their
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: own for.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Now, hope and joy and maybe a little change.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 22:58
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• 23:02
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• 23:05
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• 23:08
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