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92. Marguerite de Valois - Queen of Navarre - Part II · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're listening to an Airwave Media podcast. Hello delicious friends,
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Speaker 1: and welcome back to part two of Queen Margot Marguerite
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Speaker 1: develop Queen of Navarre, Queen of France. Yeah, things things
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Speaker 1: started getting a bit long there, and we are at
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Speaker 1: the start of a coup against Henry the Third, who,
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Speaker 1: as we remember, has been an absolute dick. So he's
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Speaker 1: been a piece of as we know, and so he's
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Speaker 1: just very aggressive, you know, against the usual arts Protestants, Calvinists,
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Speaker 1: so on and so forth, and so reasonable Catholics who
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Speaker 1: are just fucking done with bloodshed and a bunch of
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Speaker 1: where were now just again, the aforementioned Protestants just don't
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Speaker 1: want this anymore. And as such, they're trying to put
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Speaker 1: the younger brother, Francoise on the French throne. They're trying
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Speaker 1: to usurp him, and so they're working towards this, and
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Speaker 1: Henry of Navarre and Francoise there they're getting involved in
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Speaker 1: a coupe. And Margo she's a way bit involved in this,
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Speaker 1: I say, I say she yeah, because Henry of Navarre
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Speaker 1: he's involved, and initially she's not into it. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to get involved in this, and she denounces it,
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Speaker 1: and later she becomes a mediator. She switches aside, so
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Speaker 1: instead of being on the side of her king, she's
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Speaker 1: on the side of her husband, and so she is
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Speaker 1: sort of negotiating between like these you know, more contents,
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Speaker 1: these moderate Catholics and the Fusionals, and so between Margot
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Speaker 1: and you know, the rest of her her Muses of Paris,
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Speaker 1: Henriette of Nivelle's Claude Captain of Clemont, and a bunch
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Speaker 1: of other people, like they are organizing this the Coudata,
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Speaker 1: like the Muses, Oh that the music has got in
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Speaker 1: on it. They're like, well, we are going to do
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Speaker 1: this will looking fabulous. But by April of fifteen seventy four,
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Speaker 1: so like a year later, when she's like twenty one,
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Speaker 1: the conspiracy is exposed and all of its leaders, including
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Speaker 1: Margo's lover Joseph Bonavarti di La Mole, they're arrested and
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Speaker 1: Joseph Boniface is decapitated. Yeah, the leaders are arrested in decapitated.
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Speaker 1: He's basically the fall guy for this. But Francois of
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Speaker 1: alan Son and Henry of Navarre, like they beg for
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Speaker 1: forgiveness and they are held as prisoners at the Shettleton
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Speaker 1: Vincent after this field plot, and so Margot she ends
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Speaker 1: up writing a letter like to the king pleading on
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Speaker 1: behalf of her husband, you know, the supporting statement for
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Speaker 1: Henry of Bourbon, which is like he's the Bourbon, like
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Speaker 1: he is the reason we get all of the Louies.
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Speaker 1: And I'll explain that later on a re minute. So
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Speaker 1: basically she writes this letter on his behalf saying that
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have anyone to advise him, and she's here
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Speaker 1: to clear the name of her husband and brother, like
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Speaker 1: they don't have support, they don't have anybody. I'm here
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Speaker 1: to stand up for them. Meanwhile, Charles the ninth dies
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Speaker 1: and Henry becomes Henry the third, So Henry of Anjou
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Speaker 1: becomes Henry the third, and so when he takes the
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Speaker 1: throne Franzott of allan Son or he becomes France that
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Speaker 1: of Andou. I think at this point and Henry of
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Speaker 1: Navarre are released, but under surveillance, like they're being spied upon,
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Speaker 1: but they are allowed at court, and despite sort of
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Speaker 1: giving them a free pass, Henry does not forgive nor
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Speaker 1: does he forget Margo's supposed betrayal. You know, because he's
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Speaker 1: an arsehol and he's paranoid that Margot is going to
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Speaker 1: you know, pot kettle black a situation. So Margot isn't
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Speaker 1: allowed back at court because he's just consistently pissed off her.
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Speaker 1: Probably doesn't he that, you know, she's the good looking
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Speaker 1: child and everyone else is like a monther, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's so he wants to fuck
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Speaker 1: things up for Margot even more because he's not happy, right,
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Speaker 1: He's not happy that she is just out there living
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Speaker 1: her best life, and so he arranges for Henry of
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Speaker 1: Navarre to get a mistress who is part of Catherine
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Speaker 1: de Medici's flying squad. And so over this time, relations
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Speaker 1: between Margot and her husband, Henry of Navarre they get
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Speaker 1: shitty because Henry's got all of these mistresses and including
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Speaker 1: shall dissolve, which is the flank god. And this causes
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Speaker 1: major fucking issues, especially because so far there are no heirs.
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Speaker 1: There were no babies either, you know, she's got the
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Speaker 1: rhythm method down pat or in fertility issues. So even
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Speaker 1: though like she's outliving her best life, he's out you know,
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Speaker 1: putting his spoon and everybody's honeypot. Like their marriage is
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Speaker 1: like a solid political alliance. So even though you know,
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Speaker 1: like emotionally, relationship wise they're on shaky ground. Henry only
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Speaker 1: really goes to Margot when it serves his political interests,
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Speaker 1: and Margot because he's not that interested in her and
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have jealousy and she doesn't have to deal
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Speaker 1: with that nonsense. A man comes into her life, the
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Speaker 1: wonderfully named Boussey Dunblise. That's right, Boussey Bussy. It's then,
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Speaker 1: whereas Boss that's him, and he is a dandee swordsman.
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Speaker 1: He is a lover of all genders. I made a
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Speaker 1: mistake earlier. I just realized Joseph de Bonafasci is a
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Speaker 1: friend of Francoise. He was a friend. He was not
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Speaker 1: a lover. Now Boussie danbo was. He is allegedly, allegedly,
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Speaker 1: allegedly a lover of Enley, the third Enley, previously of Anjou. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: don't do this, this is not a game. The whole
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Speaker 1: family can play. Bussy, don't do that. No, So he
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Speaker 1: becomes close to Margo because Bussy again a lover of
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Speaker 1: all genders, bisexual, or as I like to call him, ambisextress.
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Speaker 1: He is he is, he is. They're having a good time.
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Speaker 1: They're close, shall we say, probably shagging because she deserves this.
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Speaker 1: I don't care so Francoise and in Navarre they are
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Speaker 1: being spied on and they're they're you know, constantly surveyed.
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Speaker 1: But in fifteen seventy five and fifteen seventy six, respectively,
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Speaker 1: each of them escape. Now they don't even tell Margo
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Speaker 1: they're doing this, and so she gets confined to the Louver,
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Speaker 1: which was a palace at the time and not just
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Speaker 1: like an art gallery. So she is, you know, held
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Speaker 1: in the louver because she's suspected of being an accomplice,
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Speaker 1: even though she hadn't a notion, right, She's completely fucked
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Speaker 1: over by her husband and her brother because they decide
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Speaker 1: to just buger off and leave all there. But it's
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Speaker 1: not all, you know, rain drops in sadness because Margot
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Speaker 1: I'm being confined, being held prisoner in the louver. Not
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Speaker 1: exactly the worst time for her, because she has a
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Speaker 1: good time. She starts reading books and I can appreciate
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Speaker 1: that she has time alone and gets to read books,
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Speaker 1: like that's just a good time had by all in it.
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Speaker 1: So like I love that she had some me time,
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Speaker 1: which at this point she fucking deserved. Now, her book
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Speaker 1: reading does get interrupted after, you know, a couple of
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Speaker 1: years because Francois, her younger brother, allies with the Huge
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Speaker 1: Nots and he demands that Margo is released, and she
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Speaker 1: is kind of because she is let out a wee
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Speaker 1: bet to assist Catherine de Medici in peace talks leading
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Speaker 1: to the edict of Billieux for the Huge Nots. And
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Speaker 1: Henry of Navarre he is Protestant again, he reconverted and
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Speaker 1: he's looking for Margot to rejoin him in Navarre. Now,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately this doesn't quite happen because Henry the Third and
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Speaker 1: Katherine de Medice they're worried that, you know, she might
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Speaker 1: become a hostage of Henry of Navarre and this might
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Speaker 1: strengthen the alliance between in May of Navarre and Francoise,
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Speaker 1: and they try and use Margot as bait to sort
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Speaker 1: of lure and of Navarre to Paris and get him
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Speaker 1: to change his religion again. But this doesn't doesn't quite work,
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Speaker 1: and a couple of years later, Margot requests permission to
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Speaker 1: go on admission to the Netherlands on behalf of her
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Speaker 1: brother Francoise because they're hoping to like make Francois less
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Speaker 1: of a problem by making him like ruler of the Netherlands,
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Speaker 1: because the Flemings have been rebelling in Spanish rule and
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Speaker 1: they thought it might be better to offer the throne
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Speaker 1: to like a more tolerant foreign prince and you know,
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Speaker 1: also get military support and diplomatic support, like all this shit.
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Speaker 1: And Henry the third he's like, yes, Margot, go off,
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Speaker 1: and you know, get rid of the inconvenience of Francoise,
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Speaker 1: like he's annoying. Deal him and so under under the
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Speaker 1: pretext of going to Spa a spav is it in Spa,
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Speaker 1: Margo leaves powers with her court and for two months
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Speaker 1: travels around the Netherlands. She goes to receptions and tries
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Speaker 1: to persuade sort of anti Spanish nobility to join her
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Speaker 1: brother Francoise, and she meets the governor of the Netherlands,
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Speaker 1: Don Juan of Austria, and like, like she is so
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Speaker 1: into this mission, like the majority of her memoirs, like
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Speaker 1: two quarters of it like are specifically, like specifically about
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Speaker 1: this mission. And she spends two months just trying to
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Speaker 1: like wheel and deal and negotiate, and it's really fucking
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Speaker 1: dangerous for her because she could have been captured by
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Speaker 1: the Spanish. She could been captured by anybody and used
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Speaker 1: as you know, leverage because she's the king sister. You know,
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Speaker 1: that's still you know a big deal. But she it
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Speaker 1: is also like in danger if she returns to France.
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Speaker 1: She's in danger if she's in the Netherlands. Like, nothing
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Speaker 1: is really easy for her during this time when she
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Speaker 1: does like try and get things going, like she arranges
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Speaker 1: what she can and she builds up alliances where she can.
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, Francois just could not defeat the Spanish army
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Speaker 1: and as such all of it was for not really
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Speaker 1: But when she you know, returns to court, and there
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Speaker 1: are major fucking issues between Henry the Third and Francois,
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Speaker 1: Like their supporters are just at each other's throats and
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Speaker 1: it is constant, you know, and it doesn't help that
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Speaker 1: Henry is absolutely paranoid. Henry the third just has major
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Speaker 1: trust issues. But again, his mother is Katherin de Medici,
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Speaker 1: so I'm not fucking surprised, and guests to the point
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Speaker 1: where Francoise asks to be absent from court to be
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Speaker 1: allowed to, you know, go away and do some shit,
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Speaker 1: and naturally, Henry the third incredibly suspicious and so he
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Speaker 1: assumes there's going to be a conspiracy going on. It's
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Speaker 1: led by Francoise, and so he has him arrested and
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Speaker 1: he's imprisoned with Margo. So it's just like just starts
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Speaker 1: arresting a fuck town of people. Even bousy dumb was
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Speaker 1: is taken to the best deal and a couple of
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Speaker 1: days later, Francois actually escapes again, but this time Margot
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Speaker 1: is involved because she throws a rope down from her
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Speaker 1: window sneaky, sneaky, and Francois escapes. But then she's like,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't involved in this, and everyone believes her, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know that rope that's hanging from your window. Yep,
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Speaker 1: it's made from your sheets, is it? That's an interesting situation,
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Speaker 1: you know, do you were you involved in this? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't involved in anyway. Have you seen thoseknots that's
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Speaker 1: clearly tied by a sailor. I don't know how to
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Speaker 1: sail I'm a woman, you know what I mean. It's like, no, like,
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Speaker 1: was not me? No, yeah, not at all? But yeah,
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Speaker 1: they just kind of go cool, and so she gets
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Speaker 1: permission to go see her husband in Navarre. And at
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Speaker 1: this point there still isn't a valois Air. There wasn't
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Speaker 1: an heir to the throne, because like Elizabeth made into Spain,
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Speaker 1: you know, there was just these other households, but there
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Speaker 1: isn't a valois Air, and so they're trying to get
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Speaker 1: marriages going on, and they're hoping, they're hoping that, you know,
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Speaker 1: they'll be sort of offspring between Navarre and Margot and
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Speaker 1: if that doesn't happen, maybe some someone else. Not only
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Speaker 1: are they open, you know, for baby Vala, but they're
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Speaker 1: also hoping that there is issues going on in sort
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Speaker 1: of the southern regions and maybe maybe that Margo being
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Speaker 1: there can sort of settle it down a wee bit.
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Speaker 1: And so she returns to her husband, accompanied by Katherin
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Speaker 1: de Medici and Chancellor Gey DEFLORDI Buback. And this journey
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Speaker 1: was supposed to like solidify sort of French royal power
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Speaker 1: and sort of strength and just strength and ties like
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Speaker 1: all along the way and trying to reduce conflict like
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Speaker 1: through the regions. So Henri of Navarre and Margo they
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Speaker 1: were they were sort of staying in different areas, and
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Speaker 1: they were staying in Bao, but they weren't super fond
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Speaker 1: of Catholics and so not great from ourgo and they
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Speaker 1: ended up moving to Narak, which is part of the
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Speaker 1: kind of of France, and it's a bit more tolerant,
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Speaker 1: so you could kind of worship, you know, whichever way
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Speaker 1: you know, whichever way you want to appreciate God, go
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Speaker 1: do that. That's fine. And it's here where she starts
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Speaker 1: working to establish this more refined court, forms a literary
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Speaker 1: academy with figures like a group of Dubina so lute,
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Speaker 1: Baldaz and Mondagne. I have pronounced those names all real blay,
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. And you have all of these like
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Speaker 1: writers and artists and poets, and they have created this
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Speaker 1: like the salon, these courts. It's just buzzing with you know,
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Speaker 1: great thoughts and of course super sexy fun times like
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Speaker 1: the Court of Noak is oh, like infamous for amorous
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Speaker 1: adventures that actually inspires Shakespeare's Loves Labors Lost. And during
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Speaker 1: this time, like everybody's just they're just boinking everybody else,
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Speaker 1: you know, smut, salaciousness, shagging everywhere, and you know, Henry
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Speaker 1: of Navarre is just going after all the maids of honor,
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Speaker 1: so all of her ladies in waiting. He's trying to
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Speaker 1: like knock him all through, Like what, like, it's not
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Speaker 1: tenpin bowling. You don't have to knock all the pins down, mate,
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Speaker 1: It's it's not what you're supposed to be doing. And
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Speaker 1: also weird that this is your specific aim, like, hey,
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Speaker 1: I want to fuck all the people that are close
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Speaker 1: to my wife, but not my wife. Cool. What No,
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Speaker 1: that's weird. I don't know who you are, but that's
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Speaker 1: fucking weird. So he's trying to shag women with pulses
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Speaker 1: and Margot she has an affair with Vcomduterin and they
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Speaker 1: have this sort of like deep connection and she writes
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Speaker 1: about it and her memoirs and it's it's like she's
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Speaker 1: just giving herself to it and you have to appreciate that, like, Margo,
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Speaker 1: live your best life. But yeah, fifteen seventy nine, shit
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Speaker 1: breaks down because the huge nos in Kinghund the third,
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Speaker 1: there's war, the lover's war breaks out and it is
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Speaker 1: just shit. And so Margot she said to the husband
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Speaker 1: during the conflict, which only lasts a year, and she suggests,
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Speaker 1: you know, getting Francis involved in negotiations, which what do
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Speaker 1: you know, fucking works manages to like save the day.
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Speaker 1: There's peace because Francois is one of the not shitty ones. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: when all of this political shit is going really well
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Speaker 1: for Margot, her marriage to Henry is absolutely crumbling, and
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Speaker 1: she falls in love with her brother's grand equerry, Jacques
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Speaker 1: de Alais, Lord of Champalon, and her letters to him,
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Speaker 1: they're just they're one of those deep emotional like just
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Speaker 1: for falling love. She's talking about fusion of souls like
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Speaker 1: they are connected. It's fucking beautiful and that's what she's
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Speaker 1: looking for. And but again he's, you know, the top
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Speaker 1: dude for her brother, So when he fucks off, Champalon
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Speaker 1: goes with them. Margo's situation just gets from bad to
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Speaker 1: worse because again she is without child, her husband is
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Speaker 1: not interested in her, and the person she does care
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Speaker 1: for is gone, and her husband is quote unquote having
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Speaker 1: a relationship. No he's not. He's an abusive power because
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Speaker 1: he is shagging La Belle Fusus, one of her ladies
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Speaker 1: in waiting, who is fourteen years old, like fuck, like
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Speaker 1: they keep referring to it as a passionate affair, like no,
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Speaker 1: that's that's abus man, it's fucking abuse Jesus Christ. So
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Speaker 1: they they're shagging, and lebelfa Sous becomes pregnant, and now
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Speaker 1: we know the problem is definitely with Margot and not
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Speaker 1: with you know himself. And so Margo suggests banishing lebel
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Speaker 1: Fossus and she just, like this fourteen year old I
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Speaker 1: appreciate greatly because she just bites back and goes, no,
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Speaker 1: you're not fucking banishing me. If you banish me, like
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Speaker 1: shit's gonna go down. I'm pregnant with the King's child,
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Speaker 1: like what you at? And so she is like pushing
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Speaker 1: in Lee to fight with Margot, like she's causing all
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Speaker 1: this extra tension in their marriage and she's causing all
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Speaker 1: the shit, and she is trying to sort of convince
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Speaker 1: Henri to marry her and get rid of like Margot,
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Speaker 1: who again, as far as we can tell, esterile, you know,
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Speaker 1: and like this seems to be like her physical issue.
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Speaker 1: Really she got the beauty bit. Maybe she's pcos or
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Speaker 1: something like we're not sure why, but she's just infertile.
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Speaker 1: And Margot and Henri they just stop communicating, their sleeping
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Speaker 1: in separate beds. They're in the same chamber, but they're
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Speaker 1: like separate beds. They're just not like together. It's like, really,
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Speaker 1: you know that really awkward silent treatment, Like I guess
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Speaker 1: it's probably like that. I have a feeling it's just
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Speaker 1: cold as fucking eyes. Now, Leabelle fo Sous gives birth
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Speaker 1: to a stillborn daughter and Margot, I mean, this is
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Speaker 1: absolutely fucking jogging about just it's very, very cold. Is
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Speaker 1: that Margo says it pleased God for this to happen,
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Speaker 1: Like again, what the actual fuck, Margot? That is an
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Speaker 1: awful statement. Like I understand the whole religious childhood of
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Speaker 1: wedlock scenario, but this is extreme because you know, you
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Speaker 1: are also shagging people outside marriage, like okay, okay. So
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Speaker 1: a few years later, fifteen to eighty two, Margot returns
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Speaker 1: to Paris and it's unsure why she's left. It could
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Speaker 1: because you know, all of this stuff's been going on
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Speaker 1: for a few years, but she doesn't have an air,
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Speaker 1: that's nothing going on, and she's just just noping out
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Speaker 1: of there. And so she goes here as well because
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Speaker 1: Katherin de Medici and Henry are like come back to
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Speaker 1: French court and yeah, yeah, they're hoping Navar is going
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Speaker 1: to come and they can you know, weasel the way
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Speaker 1: through and sort it out. Unfortunately, he doesn't come, and
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Speaker 1: her relationship with him just doesn't get any better because
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Speaker 1: there's sort of jokes going around about you know, his
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Speaker 1: morals and his relationships and his failures, and she kind
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Speaker 1: of stokes that fireye bit, because she's pissed at him,
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Speaker 1: as she should be, because fuck him, he's a prick.
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Speaker 1: So well, she's gone over here, right Leabelle Fossus is
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Speaker 1: still her lady in waiting, so she's like seventeen at
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Speaker 1: this point, and it's at this point she fires her,
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Speaker 1: like not the years before, like now she gets rid
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Speaker 1: of her. And this like pisses everybody off, Like Emile
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Speaker 1: of Navarre is just enraged thatsus has been gotten rid of,
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Speaker 1: like he's livid, and Margot spends her time was Chamfalon,
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Speaker 1: who is again her brother's grand equerry and they are
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Speaker 1: hitting it off again. That being said, rumors start spreading
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Speaker 1: because you know, she's taken the piss at the end
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Speaker 1: of the third and his advisors and you know all
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Speaker 1: the shit he did, and so they start, well the
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Speaker 1: rumor Metle starts printing pamphlets to tarnish our reputation. And
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Speaker 1: so these rumors start spreading about Margaret being pregnant, and
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Speaker 1: it's like, she's sick, so she's not well, like you,
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Speaker 1: no offense, but you know, medieval France, I would be
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Speaker 1: surprised if somebody didn't get a vomiting bug at least once, right, somebody,
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Speaker 1: you know, you didn't know how to wash your hands,
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Speaker 1: lads like what we're talking about. So, yeah, she's sick,
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Speaker 1: and so what happens, Oh women sick, are you pregnant?
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Speaker 1: Fucking not. I'm just sick, dickhead, get over it. But
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Speaker 1: rumors of Marco's pregnancy, you know, start spending on court,
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Speaker 1: and it gives Enry the third the perfect excuse to
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Speaker 1: get rid of her because of scandal scandal, and some
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Speaker 1: of her ladies in waiting, like members of her court,
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Speaker 1: are arrested and questioned. So they're like asking if she's pregnant,
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Speaker 1: if she's ever given birth, you know, all this kind
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Speaker 1: of nonsense, and you know, all of them are like, no,
27:49
Speaker 1: absolutely not, and so like they're tortured and shit like,
27:53
Speaker 1: and they do this just to find out or trying
27:57
Speaker 1: to force an answer. But none of them are given,
28:00
Speaker 1: but she gets expelled from court anyway, and she ends
28:04
Speaker 1: up in this really weird situation because she ends up
28:06
Speaker 1: in limbo because in Lee King of Navarre like refuses
28:12
Speaker 1: to receive her. He's he is quote unquote awaiting negotiations
28:19
Speaker 1: and this this does not go down well with like
28:22
Speaker 1: the huge no like warloads because they sort of spark
28:28
Speaker 1: these conflicts because they're like, what the fuck are you doing? Man?
28:35
Speaker 1: And so she ends up waiting to see if she
28:38
Speaker 1: can go to Navar because she's kicked out of Henry
28:40
Speaker 1: the Third's court. And after a while, like she's allowed
28:46
Speaker 1: to return to Navar. I mean, she does return. It's
28:49
Speaker 1: not the warmest of receptions, and a couple months later,
28:56
Speaker 1: like things just again they get bad to worse for
28:58
Speaker 1: her from her youngest brother dies, so she loses like
29:06
Speaker 1: her best ally and it also bits more pressure on
29:10
Speaker 1: her relationship with Nri of Navarre because they are now
29:13
Speaker 1: expected to produce an air because there are none. There
29:18
Speaker 1: are no val Wat airs now again, there's no Vala air.
29:23
Speaker 1: And somehow I don't know how this line of essential
29:28
Speaker 1: worked because I don't feel like he's the closest living
29:31
Speaker 1: blood relative like I don't. But because of his marriage
29:37
Speaker 1: to Margot, Henri of Navarre becomes next in line to
29:41
Speaker 1: the French throne. And when Henri takes a new lover,
29:48
Speaker 1: La Belle Corrassande, because everyone has a fucking nickname. I
29:52
Speaker 1: don't know why, but they do, so let's just accept it.
29:56
Speaker 1: So corraissand she is sort of pushing and read to
30:01
Speaker 1: you know, divorce or get rid of Margo so that
30:05
Speaker 1: she can marry him and they can have you know, babies,
30:11
Speaker 1: And that very year Margo is well, she decides to
30:16
Speaker 1: just abandon her husband because fuck that. She rallies the
30:21
Speaker 1: Catholic League and works with them. They're basically this group
30:26
Speaker 1: of Catholics like all across Europe, and she unites with
30:30
Speaker 1: them and she orchestrates a coup de'ta and she sees
30:34
Speaker 1: his power over Agen and fortifies the city. But after
30:39
Speaker 1: a while that city is done with her. I don't
30:42
Speaker 1: know what's going on, but they are sick of her shit.
30:44
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. They're they're just not happy
30:48
Speaker 1: with her. And she has to deal with the revote
30:52
Speaker 1: and has to flee, and Kavin Imdici is trying to
30:57
Speaker 1: get her to go to a royal manor and Margot Wing.
31:01
Speaker 1: Margot straight up refuses and instead goes to the fortress
31:06
Speaker 1: of Calais with Jean de Laard de Gallad and appoints
31:11
Speaker 1: him captain of her guards. And she stays there for
31:19
Speaker 1: a little while and then ends up taking refuge in
31:22
Speaker 1: the Castle of Ibrais, which is then besieged by World Trips,
31:27
Speaker 1: leading to her imprisonment in the Castle of Usson in
31:30
Speaker 1: October of fifteen eighty six. So she's basically gone from
31:34
Speaker 1: like castle to castle, just fucking around and finding out,
31:40
Speaker 1: like that's basically and Jean de Lard de Gallad, her
31:49
Speaker 1: alleged lover after the World Trips, just basically storm and
31:53
Speaker 1: deal with them. He is executed right in front of her,
31:59
Speaker 1: because of course they do that. Of course they do.
32:01
Speaker 1: And because she, you know, has witnessed her lover, you know,
32:05
Speaker 1: murdered in front of her, she believes she's next, and
32:08
Speaker 1: so she writes a letter to her mother, and this
32:11
Speaker 1: is so fucking morbid, But she writes a letter to
32:15
Speaker 1: Katherin de Medici and says to her that she wants
32:19
Speaker 1: like a post mortem, because like you don'tusually do that.
32:21
Speaker 1: She's like cut me open and you will see that
32:24
Speaker 1: I'm not pregnant. Because again more rumors are flying that
32:29
Speaker 1: she's pregnant and you know she isn't, and so she wants,
32:35
Speaker 1: you know, proof, and she's like, if you kill me,
32:39
Speaker 1: can you please make sure that you put these rumors
32:42
Speaker 1: to rest, Like I'm I'm good, I didn't do this,
32:46
Speaker 1: you know. But things start, you know, turning up Millhouse
32:52
Speaker 1: because her jailer, marquis the kind of lac he switches sides.
33:00
Speaker 1: So he was originally on the side of hen with
33:02
Speaker 1: a third and then he moves to Margo side. But
33:06
Speaker 1: why did he switch sides? Was he influenced by a
33:09
Speaker 1: bribe or her vagina? We'll never know, but anyway he
33:16
Speaker 1: he releases her, but in a weird plot twist, she
33:21
Speaker 1: doesn't go anywhere. She's like, I'm going to stay in
33:24
Speaker 1: my castle and read, you know, get myself a face mask,
33:30
Speaker 1: drink some wine. Sometimes you just have to treat yourself,
33:35
Speaker 1: you know. She chooses to stay in the castle of
33:41
Speaker 1: Unson for eighteen years, and it's when she's there she
33:48
Speaker 1: learns that her family dies and her husband is now
33:51
Speaker 1: you know, the King of France. And when she's there,
33:56
Speaker 1: she establishes this court again her in her courts or salons,
34:02
Speaker 1: there's intellectuals, musicians, writers, poets. She restores the castle and
34:09
Speaker 1: of course her financial position. So yeah, when when she's there,
34:19
Speaker 1: like she reads information about herself, stories are told, and
34:23
Speaker 1: that's when she's again pissed off and decides that no
34:27
Speaker 1: one's going to tell her a story but her. And
34:29
Speaker 1: that's when she starts writing her memoirs. Now they aren't
34:32
Speaker 1: published until after she dies, but still it's pretty cool.
34:39
Speaker 1: So what's interesting about her memoirs. It's like her autobiography.
34:47
Speaker 1: She may very well be I'm not entirely sure, but
34:49
Speaker 1: I think she might be the first woman, you know,
34:53
Speaker 1: to write a memoir about her life like properly. And
34:59
Speaker 1: maybe am I am I wrong? Am I might be wrong?
35:02
Speaker 1: Let me know if I'm wrong. And if I am,
35:05
Speaker 1: who was the first person, first woman to write her
35:08
Speaker 1: own memoirs? Because I would I need to know this
35:10
Speaker 1: information because I'm going to think it's this. Now loads
35:16
Speaker 1: of writers are visiting her in you know, her salon's
35:19
Speaker 1: her court bandome if Joseph Scaligi, like, there's loads, there's
35:25
Speaker 1: loads of them. And over this time, Henry is the
35:33
Speaker 1: King of France and he you know, still doesn't have
35:36
Speaker 1: an air, and he's still married to Margo, who is
35:39
Speaker 1: effectively the Queen of France at this point, and effectively
35:43
Speaker 1: she is the Queen of France. And so in fifteen
35:46
Speaker 1: ninety three he proposes an annulment of their marriage because
35:53
Speaker 1: he needs to get power because he's King of France,
35:57
Speaker 1: and he needs to marry again because he needs a
35:58
Speaker 1: fucking heir because his it's not great to be on
36:05
Speaker 1: the throne and not have an air. Oh my god,
36:07
Speaker 1: I actually forgot, Like the reason he is king is
36:09
Speaker 1: because Henry the third was assassinated, because not only was
36:13
Speaker 1: he assassinated, he was assassinated by a fanatical monk, Like
36:18
Speaker 1: of course he was like, that is wild, but yet
36:21
Speaker 1: there we go. So Engley the fourth and May of Navarre,
36:27
Speaker 1: he is trying to like another marriage, and Margo agrees
36:35
Speaker 1: to like be involved in this and to arrange the renumbment,
36:40
Speaker 1: but only if she gets to choose who he marries,
36:45
Speaker 1: like she needs, like phil veto power. And also he
36:50
Speaker 1: ensures that she is financially stable, like she wants money
36:54
Speaker 1: just you know, fair enough. So the negotiations begin and
37:00
Speaker 1: they go, you know forward with it, and they're like infertility,
37:06
Speaker 1: we can't have children. The marriage isn't you know, really
37:12
Speaker 1: legal technically because Protestant Catholic. They're like going through all
37:15
Speaker 1: of it, and then they are like citing like the
37:19
Speaker 1: rumors and before been like this was a forced marriage,
37:22
Speaker 1: we didn't want to do it, like they were just
37:23
Speaker 1: hitting every fucking mark like boom boom, boom, boom boom.
37:27
Speaker 1: And during during all this, like Margot just starts and
37:35
Speaker 1: things are going great for her. She's getting more money,
37:37
Speaker 1: things are going well up until the point Henry's like,
37:40
Speaker 1: I want to marry Gabrielle Ditri, who was his mistress,
37:46
Speaker 1: and Margot is having fucking none of that. She's like nope. Effectively,
37:51
Speaker 1: she calls her a whore and says she can't allow
37:54
Speaker 1: him to marry his mistress. And so the renowment is
37:58
Speaker 1: kind of like put on hold at this point because
38:01
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not gonna let this marriage dissolve just
38:04
Speaker 1: for you to marry her, Like I'm not doing that.
38:07
Speaker 1: But as luck would have it for Henri, Gabrielle dies.
38:12
Speaker 1: Everybody dies, and this it's just very sad, and so
38:16
Speaker 1: Margot she gets back to like getting the annoyment on
38:20
Speaker 1: the roll and she gets financial compensation. She's like, give
38:25
Speaker 1: me money, and I still want to be called like
38:29
Speaker 1: Queen of Navarre, Queen of France, you know, of Voa,
38:33
Speaker 1: Like I want my titles and I want my money,
38:37
Speaker 1: and he's like sold, And so they bring it towards
38:41
Speaker 1: the Pope Clement the eighth, and so he puts out
38:49
Speaker 1: a paper bill there's an annulment on it for October
38:52
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, fifteen ninety nine, and the Archbishop of a
38:56
Speaker 1: Nulls formally finalizes the annoyment in December of that year.
39:02
Speaker 1: And the very next year Henry remarries, and he marries
39:07
Speaker 1: a cousin, like a distant cousin of Margot, and she
39:14
Speaker 1: is Marie de Medici, and things actually work out better.
39:20
Speaker 1: You know, when you split with somebody and you're actually
39:22
Speaker 1: better off, sort of not in a relationship but maybe
39:27
Speaker 1: not even friends, but like acquaintances, like you're much better,
39:31
Speaker 1: like better off, And that's kind of what happens here.
39:35
Speaker 1: So Margot and Henry just become like a bit more chill,
39:40
Speaker 1: like they get on much better after this, and she
39:45
Speaker 1: enters the good graces of the kind of Frans after
39:50
Speaker 1: fucking twenty years in exile, like she is just finally
39:56
Speaker 1: doing well for herself. And it's during this time that
40:03
Speaker 1: there's a conspiracy going on with the Count of Alven,
40:08
Speaker 1: who's like a nephew ish of Inley, and this is
40:13
Speaker 1: conspiracy going on because he is trying to like usurp Throwne.
40:21
Speaker 1: But the funny thing is as well is his mum's
40:23
Speaker 1: also like Navarre's mistress, so like, it's just fucking weird.
40:27
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Margot discovers this conspiracy. She uncovers it,
40:35
Speaker 1: and this leads to her sort of reclaiming sort of
40:38
Speaker 1: money from the Court of Verne because she's like, oh no,
40:42
Speaker 1: they owe me this because of ABC, And so the
40:44
Speaker 1: king allows her to come to court and come to
40:47
Speaker 1: Paris to manage your case. And so in sixteen oh five,
40:51
Speaker 1: after being an ooss on forever, she returns to Paris
40:55
Speaker 1: and she manages to impress everybody there, even though to
40:59
Speaker 1: them she is an absolute fucking weirdo. You know when
41:02
Speaker 1: women get to a certain age where they no longer
41:04
Speaker 1: give a fuck about other people, Like that's the age
41:07
Speaker 1: she's at now, because she's kind of dressed weird and
41:10
Speaker 1: she's eccentric, but she's just like a cool, old older lady,
41:15
Speaker 1: like that's where we're at now. And so she comes
41:21
Speaker 1: there and she's just a benefactor of the poor, and
41:26
Speaker 1: she's like just a mentor of the arts, and she
41:30
Speaker 1: has become like extra devout in this time away. So
41:33
Speaker 1: she's just the epitome of what like a French noble
41:38
Speaker 1: should be at this time. And she's like like acquaintances
41:46
Speaker 1: with Vincent de Paul of you know, Saint Vincent de
41:50
Speaker 1: Paul fame, like here is are traveling like they are
41:53
Speaker 1: close because again she's like that way bit extra religious
41:57
Speaker 1: in life, like in later life. And she wins the
42:03
Speaker 1: sort of the lawsuit against Auvergne like the following year,
42:09
Speaker 1: and she gets like a bunch of inheritance from her
42:15
Speaker 1: mother's side of the family because he had it because
42:18
Speaker 1: he was a dude or whatever. But she gets it.
42:20
Speaker 1: And yeah, and when she gets all of this money
42:25
Speaker 1: and titles and everything else that goes with it, she
42:28
Speaker 1: names the Dofain Louis as her heir, which is a
42:33
Speaker 1: big fucking deal because this is like the Louis, all
42:37
Speaker 1: of the Louis of France, Like this is the house
42:38
Speaker 1: of Bourbon. This is where it starts, because Bourbon of Navarre,
42:44
Speaker 1: and so this sort of solidifies her as being this awesome,
42:50
Speaker 1: amazing person and puts her in a very good sort
42:55
Speaker 1: of political situation, a very prominent position. And this yes
43:00
Speaker 1: also solidifies the transition from the Valois family to the
43:05
Speaker 1: Bourbon dynasty. And this also strengthens Margo's relationship in friendship
43:11
Speaker 1: with Queen Marie de Medici, like things are things are
43:17
Speaker 1: going well because like her naming Louis as her heir,
43:24
Speaker 1: the Dauphin as her heir, it just shows that this
43:29
Speaker 1: sort of weird family situation has the backing of the
43:32
Speaker 1: Queen of France, because again she got to retain her titles.
43:38
Speaker 1: So she is active in court events, and she like
43:43
Speaker 1: is very close to Henri and Marie's children, like she
43:48
Speaker 1: is the godmother of Prince Gaston, Yes Gaston, and her
43:56
Speaker 1: household is basically in the left bank of the Seine,
44:00
Speaker 1: and she establishes Lostelle de la Rene Maried and it's
44:06
Speaker 1: sort of this is it's her saloons. It's this amazing
44:12
Speaker 1: intellectual and political center in Paris. And in sixteen ten
44:20
Speaker 1: Marie gets coronated at Saan Denis. And what is absolutely
44:25
Speaker 1: wild is the day after the coronation, Henri is assassinated.
44:30
Speaker 1: So when Marie is named Queen of France in Margot's
44:34
Speaker 1: own attendance, the very next day Henry is killed. Yeah,
44:41
Speaker 1: Francois le Riec and Marie de Medici. So she's obviously
44:48
Speaker 1: like the regent at this point because she is the
44:53
Speaker 1: mother of the Daufin who's going to be the it
44:56
Speaker 1: is at this point the next king of France. He
44:58
Speaker 1: is the regnant and she's regent. She is ruling in
45:01
Speaker 1: a stead. But she keeps Margo on as a political
45:06
Speaker 1: advisor because she is i mean, she knows what she's
45:11
Speaker 1: doing and she's there to support them, and her and
45:14
Speaker 1: Marie are just very close over the years, and it
45:18
Speaker 1: just shows you that sort of bygones to be bygones,
45:21
Speaker 1: because she has nothing against Marie, Like she could probably
45:24
Speaker 1: get rid of her if she really wanted to, but
45:27
Speaker 1: like they're fairly close, and it gets to the point
45:30
Speaker 1: where she's just i mean, she's close to their kids,
45:34
Speaker 1: and she's involved in like diplomatic roles and being just
45:38
Speaker 1: petty enough. Right, The Jesuits put this text out and
45:47
Speaker 1: they have this massive misogynistic bullshit text in which Margot
45:55
Speaker 1: responds to them the woman question learned in suttle discourse,
46:01
Speaker 1: in which she argues for the superiority of women over
46:05
Speaker 1: men as opposed to being the other way around. And
46:08
Speaker 1: I'm just like, absolutely Margo tell them to go fuck himself.
46:12
Speaker 1: But she does that. She also like negotiates the Estate
46:17
Speaker 1: General of sixteen fourteen, and she does that with like
46:20
Speaker 1: the clergy, so she's sort of negotiating on behalf of
46:24
Speaker 1: like the church and the crown. She's just fucking amazing.
46:29
Speaker 1: But the following year, in sixteen fifteen, she gets really
46:32
Speaker 1: fucking sick. She's so ill. Now I have looked and
46:39
Speaker 1: looked and looked, but I cannot, for the life of me,
46:42
Speaker 1: find what exactly she died of. Just like she got sick,
46:46
Speaker 1: very sharply, very quickly, and within a month she passes away.
46:53
Speaker 1: On the twenty seventh of March sixteen fifteen, at the
46:57
Speaker 1: Hostelle de la Rene Mariede and Pari, Marguerite de Bellois,
47:04
Speaker 1: Queen of Navarre, Queen of France, passes away and she
47:12
Speaker 1: is buried in the Finery Chapel de Velois and the
47:15
Speaker 1: Basilica of San deny, but at some point, like her
47:21
Speaker 1: casket disappeared and we have no idea what happened to
47:24
Speaker 1: her remains, like we don't know where she is now.
47:27
Speaker 1: She could be anywhere, And what is so strange is
47:32
Speaker 1: like over the years, like there's a whole myth. There's
47:34
Speaker 1: like a movie Rene Margo, Queen Margot and Alexander Duma,
47:40
Speaker 1: who basically writes fan fiction about Royalty, like he does
47:45
Speaker 1: it all the time, like the man, I'm not gonna
47:48
Speaker 1: say he's the Philippa Gregory of his time. But also
47:53
Speaker 1: like they were all of these sort of La city
47:58
Speaker 1: libel going around like throughout her lifetime, and then it
48:02
Speaker 1: built on that that she was an inform maniac, like
48:04
Speaker 1: there was at one point rumors that like she had
48:08
Speaker 1: an incestuous relationship with Henri, the third Unrie of Angel,
48:14
Speaker 1: which is why he was so like jealous, Like there's
48:17
Speaker 1: all this kind of weird, creepy like rumors going around
48:20
Speaker 1: and that she was just a big, massive slut when
48:23
Speaker 1: really she was banging people just about as much as
48:26
Speaker 1: anybody else is banging anybody, Like yeah, what's okay for
48:31
Speaker 1: men to do but not women? Oh, I don't know,
48:33
Speaker 1: have sex apparently. Yeah weird, but yeah, misogynists throughout history
48:41
Speaker 1: will work really really hard to just fuck things up.
48:49
Speaker 1: They can't help themselves, like they would rather show a
48:54
Speaker 1: woman in this sort of slut light than as in
49:01
Speaker 1: fully fledged human being. But yeah, that's that's just how
49:07
Speaker 1: it is. And I am absolutely sick of this bullshit.
49:10
Speaker 1: I'm fucking done with it. I'm done, and I will
49:14
Speaker 1: continue to make this podcast and I will continue to
49:16
Speaker 1: talk about these women. I mean, I will talk about
49:18
Speaker 1: men too, because you know, I'm an equal opportunities person.
49:22
Speaker 1: But I think we really need to step back and
49:25
Speaker 1: have perspective and really respect these women, because again, fuck it,
49:30
Speaker 1: fuck this, fuck that, fuck them, fuck it all. I'm done.
49:34
Speaker 1: We should have zero tolerance for bullshit and history, regardless
49:39
Speaker 1: of locale or the person involved. You know, we need
49:45
Speaker 1: to just have a clear review and not have propaganda
49:50
Speaker 1: or sensationalism orches convenient lize like cloud or judgment. You know.
50:00
Speaker 1: That being said, if you enjoyed this episode, you feel
50:05
Speaker 1: free to rate and review five stars on Spotify, on
50:08
Speaker 1: Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. Would be
50:10
Speaker 1: great to hear you. I am glad to be back.
50:13
Speaker 1: I am I'm gonna have to split this into two parts.
50:16
Speaker 1: If you're listening now, it means this is the end
50:18
Speaker 1: of the second part. I'm glad you were involved. Thank
50:22
Speaker 1: you for staying with me this whole time. And follow
50:27
Speaker 1: me on the social Media's the social media. I'm on
50:29
Speaker 1: threads now woo. I'm on TikTok, threads, Instagram, Twitter or
50:37
Speaker 1: whatever Twitter is called now I don't know a squiggle
50:39
Speaker 1: and adult. I'm on Facebook too. I'm everywhere. I'm everywhere, friends,
50:42
Speaker 1: I'm everywhere. But with that, oh god, recommendation time, I
50:46
Speaker 1: am going to recommend that you watch you know what,
50:52
Speaker 1: I'm going to recommend you watch Murderers Easy to two parts.
50:55
Speaker 1: The mini series that came out on was it the BBC?
50:59
Speaker 1: It might be the Baby Say, but it's out and
51:01
Speaker 1: it's by Agatha Christie and it's a really it's a
51:04
Speaker 1: really good retelling. I really enjoyed it, and not just
51:07
Speaker 1: because of my unnatural obsession with Agatha Christie. So there's that.
51:11
Speaker 1: And of course we have listening. I have been listening
51:16
Speaker 1: to Missing and Murdered. It's on the missing and murdered
51:22
Speaker 1: Indigenous women in Canada. It's it's so good it's harrowing,
51:27
Speaker 1: but it's so good. And I would advise anybody who
51:32
Speaker 1: doesn't listen to Indigenous stories, POC stories to listen to
51:38
Speaker 1: it to give you a better understanding of the Highway
51:42
Speaker 1: of tears and things like that, and to understand what
51:45
Speaker 1: these people are going through. I mean, maybe not fully
51:48
Speaker 1: comprehend it, but at least have an inkling. And I
51:53
Speaker 1: guess something joyful to read. Oh my goodness, have I
51:57
Speaker 1: got a thing joyful to read? You know what? Go
52:00
Speaker 1: read a cozy mystery. Go read Richard Osmond's The Thursday
52:04
Speaker 1: Murder Club. There you go, go do that. Okay? With that,
52:08
Speaker 1: I shall bid you adieu, Adios au revoir of them,
52:13
Speaker 1: my friends, bye bye.