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Growing Beyond Conflict: The Power of Polarity Thinking for Healing, Thriving, and Becoming Wiser · Deep Transformation

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  Our
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  minds
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  continuously
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  divide
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  the
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  world
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  into
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  opposites,
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  good
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  and
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  bad.
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  Like
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  me,
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  not
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  like
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  me.
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  And
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  then
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  we
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  spend
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  our
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  lives
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  compulsively
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  chasing
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  one
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  and
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  avoiding
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  the
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  other.
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  What
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  if
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  we
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  could
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  free
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  ourselves
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  from
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  this
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  endless
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  compulsive
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  pursuit?
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  That's
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  the
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  promise
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  of
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  Polarity
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  management.
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  And
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  we
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  have
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  two
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  of
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  the
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  world's
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  experts
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  with
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  us
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  today
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  to
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  explain
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  this
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  new
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  field
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  to
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  us
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  and
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  to
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  point
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  out
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  its
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  benefits
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  for
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  our
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  lives
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  and
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  for
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  understanding
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  the
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  world.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation.
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  And
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  today
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  we
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  have
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  the
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  opportunity
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  of
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  exploring
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  a
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  really
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  important
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  way
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  of
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  looking
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  at
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  dynamics
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  in
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  the
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  world,
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  a
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  way
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  titled
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  Polarity
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  Management,
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  pioneered
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  by
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  Barry
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  Johnson,
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  who's
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  with
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  us
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  today.
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  Barry
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  developed
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  this
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  field,
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  which
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  is
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  now
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  a
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  thriving
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  field,
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  particularly
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  in
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  the
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  consulting
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  and
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  business
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  world.
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  He's
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  the
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  author
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  of
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  two
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  books,
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  three
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  books
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  actually.
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  Polarity
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  Management,
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  maybe
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  four
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  books,
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  I've
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  lost
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  count.
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  His
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  first
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  on
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  the
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  topic
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  Polarity
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  Management
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  and
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  recently
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  a
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  book
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  titled,
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  the
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  main
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  title
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  is
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  One
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  Word
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  and
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  the
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  subtitle
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  is
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  Making
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  a
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  Difference
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  by
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  Leveraging
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  Polarity,
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  Paradox
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  or
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  Dilemma.
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  It's
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  a
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  very
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  rich
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  book
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  which
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  we'll
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  be
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  focusing
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  on
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  today.
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  And
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  he
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  is
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  the
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  receiver
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  of
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  the
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  Lifetime
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  Achievement
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  Award
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  from
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  the
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  Organization
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  Development
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  Network.
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  Also
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  with
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  us,
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  Beena
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  Sharma,
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  a
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  world
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  authority
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  on
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  adult
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  development,
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  a
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  real
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  pioneer
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  in
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  that
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  research
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  field,
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  who
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  is
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  the
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  founder
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  of
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  veda,
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  the
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  Vertical
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  Development
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  Academy,
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  which
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  offers
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  webinars
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  and
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  training
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  programs
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  and
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  testing.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  I've
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  done
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  almost
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  every
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  webinar
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  she
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  offers.
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  She's
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  a
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  master
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  teacher.
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  And
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  today
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  we
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  are
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  exploring
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  both
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  polarity
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  management
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  and
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  also
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  bringing
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  in
• 2:08
  Beena's
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  adult
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  development
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  perspective
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  to
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  add
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  a
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  further
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  dimensional
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  context
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  to
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  this.
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  So
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  Barry,
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  let's
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  start
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  with
• 2:16
  you.
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  First
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  off,
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  how
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  did
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  you
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  discover
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  polarities
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  and
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  their
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  importance
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  and
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  what
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  the
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  heck
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  is
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  a
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  polarity?
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  Well,
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  first
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  of
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  all,
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  thanks,
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  Roger
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  and
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  John
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  for
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  having
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  me
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  here.
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  I'm
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  appreciative,
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  especially
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  joining
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  Beena
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  because
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  we've
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  been
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  working
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  on
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  this
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  together
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time.
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  So
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  the
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  first
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  polarity
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  map,
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  which
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  is
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  essentially
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  an
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  infinity
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  loop
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  at
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  its
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  basic
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  core,
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  emerged
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  as
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  working
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  as
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  a
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  Gestalt
• 2:42
  therapist
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  50
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  years
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  ago.
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  So
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  this
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  is.
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  I'm
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  a
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  slow
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  learner,
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  so
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  I've
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  been
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  working
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  with
• 2:47
  it
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  for
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  a
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  while
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  and
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  we
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  keep
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  learning.
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  Hopefully
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  another
• 2:50
  learning
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  session
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  happened
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  today
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  as
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  we
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  try
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  to
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  apply
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  polarity
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  thinking
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  to
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  issues
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  that
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  we
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  confront
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  every
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  day
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  within
• 2:59
  our
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  personal
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  lives,
• 3:00
  our
• 3:00
  organizational
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  lives,
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  and
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  also
• 3:02
  in
• 3:03
  terms
• 3:03
  of
• 3:03
  international
• 3:03
  affairs.
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  So
• 3:04
  it,
• 3:04
  it
• 3:05
  works
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  at
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  every
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  level
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  of
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  system,
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  which
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  excites
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  me.
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  And
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  the.
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  The
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  essential
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  dimension
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  of
• 3:09
  polarity
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  is
• 3:09
  it's
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  about
• 3:10
  interdependent
• 3:11
  pairs.
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  So
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  I
• 3:13
  believe
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  that
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  we
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  have
• 3:14
  a
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  universal
• 3:15
  interdependence
• 3:16
  of
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  all
• 3:17
  of
• 3:17
  life
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  and
• 3:18
  all
• 3:18
  of
• 3:18
  matter.
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  And
• 3:19
  there's
• 3:19
  a
• 3:19
  universal
• 3:20
  interdependence
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  there,
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  which
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  for
• 3:21
  me
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  also
• 3:22
  is
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  the
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  most
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  clear
• 3:24
  example
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  of
• 3:25
  divine
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  unconditional
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  love.
• 3:27
  Our
• 3:27
  universal
• 3:27
  interdependence
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  and
• 3:29
  the
• 3:29
  polarity
• 3:30
  is
• 3:30
  essentially
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  the
• 3:31
  smallest
• 3:32
  element
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  within
• 3:33
  our
• 3:34
  universal
• 3:34
  interdependence,
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  which
• 3:35
  is
• 3:35
  the
• 3:35
  independence
• 3:36
  of
• 3:36
  two.
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  And
• 3:38
  so
• 3:38
  that's
• 3:38
  where
• 3:39
  the
• 3:39
  name
• 3:39
  comes
• 3:39
  from.
• 3:40
  It's
• 3:40
  about
• 3:40
  our
• 3:41
  interdependent
• 3:42
  pairs
• 3:42
  that
• 3:42
  show
• 3:42
  up.
• 3:42
  And
• 3:43
  we'll
• 3:43
  get
• 3:43
  into
• 3:43
  that
• 3:44
  in
• 3:44
  a
• 3:44
  moment.
• 3:45
  Great,
• 3:46
  good.
• 3:47
  And
• 3:47
  Beena,
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  changed
• 3:49
  my
• 3:49
  life
• 3:49
  when
• 3:49
  you
• 3:50
  said
• 3:50
  your
• 3:50
  life
• 3:50
  had
• 3:51
  been
• 3:51
  changed
• 3:51
  by
• 3:52
  discovering
• 3:53
  polarity
• 3:54
  management.
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  So
• 3:56
  what
• 3:56
  did
• 3:56
  you
• 3:57
  realize
• 3:57
  that
• 3:57
  this
• 3:58
  has
• 3:58
  become
• 3:58
  so
• 3:59
  important
• 3:59
  to
• 3:59
  you?
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  Well,
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  first,
• 4:01
  I'm
• 4:01
  thrilled
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  be
• 4:02
  here,
• 4:02
  especially
• 4:02
  with
• 4:03
  you,
• 4:03
  Barry.
• 4:03
  Barry
• 4:03
  is
• 4:04
  my
• 4:04
  hero.
• 4:05
  You
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:05
  this
• 4:05
  is
• 4:06
  one
• 4:06
  of
• 4:06
  the
• 4:06
  moments
• 4:06
  where
• 4:07
  when
• 4:07
  something
• 4:07
  earth
• 4:08
  shaking,
• 4:09
  transformational
• 4:09
  happens,
• 4:10
  you
• 4:10
  remember
• 4:10
  where
• 4:10
  you
• 4:11
  were,
• 4:11
  you
• 4:11
  remember
• 4:11
  what
• 4:12
  you
• 4:12
  were
• 4:12
  wearing,
• 4:12
  you
• 4:13
  remember
• 4:13
  what
• 4:13
  time
• 4:13
  of
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  day
• 4:14
  it
• 4:14
  was.
• 4:15
  So
• 4:16
  when
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  heard
• 4:16
  first
• 4:17
  about
• 4:18
  just
• 4:18
  this
• 4:18
  infinity
• 4:19
  loop
• 4:19
  that
• 4:20
  is
• 4:21
  like
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  lightning
• 4:22
  strike
• 4:22
  that
• 4:22
  brings
• 4:23
  two
• 4:23
  things
• 4:23
  together
• 4:24
  in
• 4:24
  an
• 4:24
  integrative
• 4:25
  way
• 4:26
  that
• 4:26
  was
• 4:26
  separated
• 4:27
  before
• 4:29
  then,
• 4:30
  it
• 4:30
  was
• 4:30
  just
• 4:31
  like
• 4:31
  a
• 4:31
  bombshell
• 4:32
  exploding
• 4:32
  for
• 4:32
  me.
• 4:32
  And
• 4:33
  it
• 4:33
  is,
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  believe,
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  most
• 4:34
  important
• 4:34
  thing
• 4:35
  I
• 4:35
  have
• 4:35
  learned,
• 4:35
  because
• 4:36
  it
• 4:36
  connects,
• 4:36
  connects
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  everything.
• 4:38
  And
• 4:38
  it
• 4:39
  is,
• 4:39
  in
• 4:40
  a
• 4:40
  way,
• 4:40
  I
• 4:40
  would
• 4:41
  call
• 4:41
  it,
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  driving
• 4:42
  motor
• 4:43
  of
• 4:44
  maturity
• 4:45
  and
• 4:45
  human
• 4:45
  development,
• 4:47
  this
• 4:47
  capacity
• 4:48
  to
• 4:48
  integrate
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  things
• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
  are
• 4:50
  separate
• 4:50
  and
• 4:51
  to
• 4:51
  see
• 4:51
  interdependence
• 4:53
  is
• 4:53
  the
• 4:54
  driving
• 4:55
  engine
• 4:56
  of
• 4:56
  human
• 4:56
  maturity.
• 4:57
  So
• 4:58
  I
• 4:58
  might
• 4:58
  end
• 4:58
  up
• 4:58
  saying
• 4:59
  a
• 4:59
  lot
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  bombastic
• 5:00
  statements.
• 5:00
  I'll
• 5:01
  start
• 5:01
  with
• 5:01
  one,
• 5:01
  which
• 5:02
  is,
• 5:02
  there
• 5:02
  is
• 5:03
  no
• 5:03
  human
• 5:03
  endeavor
• 5:04
  in
• 5:04
  which
• 5:04
  this
• 5:05
  principle,
• 5:06
  this
• 5:06
  reality,
• 5:07
  this
• 5:08
  approach,
• 5:09
  this
• 5:09
  way
• 5:10
  of
• 5:10
  sense
• 5:10
  making
• 5:11
  is
• 5:11
  not
• 5:12
  applicable,
• 5:12
  period.
• 5:13
  It
• 5:14
  applies
• 5:14
  everywhere.
• 5:15
  It's
• 5:15
  the
• 5:16
  most
• 5:16
  expansive,
• 5:18
  explanatory
• 5:19
  and
• 5:20
  applicable
• 5:21
  idea.
• 5:22
  And
• 5:22
  it's
• 5:22
  not
• 5:22
  an
• 5:23
  idea.
• 5:24
  It
• 5:24
  brings
• 5:24
  one
• 5:25
  closer
• 5:25
  to
• 5:25
  reality.
• 5:26
  So
• 5:26
  that's
• 5:27
  a
• 5:27
  little
• 5:27
  bit
• 5:27
  of
• 5:28
  how
• 5:28
  significant
• 5:29
  this
• 5:30
  work
• 5:30
  is,
• 5:30
  has
• 5:31
  been
• 5:31
  for
• 5:31
  me,
• 5:32
  and
• 5:32
  it
• 5:32
  has
• 5:32
  expanded
• 5:33
  my
• 5:34
  own
• 5:34
  work
• 5:35
  within
• 5:35
  adult
• 5:36
  development.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:37
  so
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  might
• 5:37
  even,
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  start
• 5:38
  off,
• 5:38
  make
• 5:39
  that
• 5:39
  distinction
• 5:39
  between
• 5:40
  polarity
• 5:40
  management
• 5:41
  and
• 5:41
  polarity
• 5:42
  wisdom.
• 5:43
  There's
• 5:43
  a
• 5:43
  difference
• 5:44
  there.
• 5:44
  Management
• 5:45
  is
• 5:46
  an
• 5:46
  early
• 5:46
  word,
• 5:47
  we
• 5:47
  might
• 5:47
  say.
• 5:48
  It
• 5:48
  points
• 5:48
  to
• 5:49
  managing
• 5:49
  things,
• 5:50
  whereas
• 5:50
  wisdom
• 5:51
  is
• 5:51
  a
• 5:52
  more
• 5:52
  mature
• 5:52
  word,
• 5:53
  more
• 5:53
  sophisticated.
• 5:55
  And
• 5:55
  I'm
• 5:55
  not
• 5:55
  comparing
• 5:56
  those
• 5:56
  terms
• 5:56
  as
• 5:57
  much
• 5:57
  as
• 5:57
  using
• 5:57
  it
• 5:58
  as
• 5:58
  an
• 5:58
  example
• 5:59
  to
• 6:00
  show
• 6:00
  how
• 6:01
  language
• 6:02
  embeds
• 6:03
  maturity
• 6:04
  and
• 6:04
  how
• 6:05
  polarities
• 6:06
  are
• 6:06
  at
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  core.
• 6:07
  Polarity
• 6:07
  thinking
• 6:08
  is
• 6:08
  at
• 6:08
  the
• 6:09
  core.
• 6:09
  It's
• 6:09
  a
• 6:10
  muscle
• 6:10
  that
• 6:10
  we
• 6:10
  can
• 6:10
  develop.
• 6:12
  So
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  just
• 6:13
  implied.
• 6:14
  Well,
• 6:14
  we
• 6:14
  could
• 6:14
  have
• 6:14
  a
• 6:15
  whole
• 6:15
  conversation
• 6:15
  just
• 6:16
  to
• 6:16
  what
• 6:16
  you've
• 6:16
  said.
• 6:17
  Yeah,
• 6:17
  that
• 6:17
  was
• 6:17
  a
• 6:17
  brilliant.
• 6:18
  But
• 6:19
  we
• 6:19
  better
• 6:19
  start
• 6:20
  with
• 6:20
  some
• 6:20
  basics.
• 6:21
  One
• 6:21
  of
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  implications
• 6:22
  of
• 6:22
  what
• 6:22
  you
• 6:23
  said
• 6:23
  is
• 6:24
  that
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  polarity
• 6:25
  management,
• 6:25
  which
• 6:26
  possibly
• 6:26
  mature
• 6:27
  into
• 6:27
  polarity
• 6:27
  wisdom,
• 6:28
  is
• 6:29
  a
• 6:29
  way
• 6:29
  of
• 6:29
  thinking.
• 6:30
  And
• 6:31
  maybe,
• 6:31
  Barry,
• 6:32
  you
• 6:32
  could
• 6:32
  say
• 6:33
  something
• 6:33
  about
• 6:34
  the
• 6:34
  nature
• 6:34
  of
• 6:35
  this
• 6:35
  thinking,
• 6:35
  and
• 6:36
  maybe
• 6:36
  I'll
• 6:37
  just
• 6:37
  kind
• 6:37
  of
• 6:37
  seed
• 6:38
  it
• 6:38
  by
• 6:38
  saying
• 6:39
  you
• 6:41
  contrast
• 6:42
  throughout
• 6:43
  your
• 6:43
  books,
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  idea
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  usual
• 6:46
  way
• 6:46
  we
• 6:46
  think
• 6:46
  is
• 6:47
  either
• 6:48
  this
• 6:48
  or
• 6:48
  that.
• 6:49
  One's
• 6:50
  right,
• 6:50
  one's
• 6:50
  wrong,
• 6:50
  one's
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  truth,
• 6:51
  one's
• 6:52
  false.
• 6:53
  But
• 6:53
  you
• 6:54
  contrast
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  not
• 6:55
  as
• 6:55
  an
• 6:56
  opposite,
• 6:56
  but
• 6:56
  as
• 6:56
  a
• 6:56
  polarity
• 6:58
  with.
• 6:58
  With
• 6:59
  polarity
• 6:59
  thinking.
• 7:00
  So
• 7:01
  maybe
• 7:01
  you
• 7:01
  could
• 7:02
  explain
• 7:02
  that
• 7:02
  for
• 7:02
  us.
• 7:03
  Yeah,
• 7:03
  and
• 7:03
  let
• 7:03
  me
• 7:04
  say
• 7:04
  this
• 7:04
  is.
• 7:04
  Just
• 7:04
  really
• 7:05
  important
• 7:05
  to
• 7:05
  me.
• 7:05
  All
• 7:06
  right.
• 7:06
  And
• 7:06
  we're
• 7:06
  going
• 7:07
  through
• 7:07
  some
• 7:07
  times
• 7:07
  in
• 7:07
  our
• 7:08
  country,
• 7:08
  in
• 7:08
  our
• 7:08
  world,
• 7:09
  where
• 7:09
  we
• 7:09
  need
• 7:10
  this
• 7:10
  kind
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  wisdom.
• 7:11
  So
• 7:11
  I'm
• 7:11
  sure
• 7:11
  you'll
• 7:11
  do
• 7:12
  this,
• 7:12
  but
• 7:12
  just
• 7:12
  give
• 7:12
  us
• 7:12
  some
• 7:13
  concrete
• 7:13
  examples
• 7:14
  of
• 7:14
  very
• 7:14
  important
• 7:15
  things
• 7:15
  and
• 7:15
  how
• 7:15
  this
• 7:16
  thinking,
• 7:16
  this
• 7:17
  method
• 7:17
  can
• 7:17
  enlighten
• 7:18
  us
• 7:18
  or
• 7:18
  help.
• 7:18
  Us
• 7:19
  get
• 7:19
  through
• 7:19
  it.
• 7:19
  Sure.
• 7:20
  Just
• 7:20
  a
• 7:20
  couple
• 7:21
  of
• 7:21
  examples.
• 7:22
  In
• 7:22
  terms
• 7:22
  of
• 7:23
  leadership
• 7:23
  and
• 7:24
  democracy,
• 7:24
  to
• 7:25
  take
• 7:25
  one
• 7:25
  dimension
• 7:26
  that's
• 7:26
  going
• 7:26
  on
• 7:26
  around
• 7:27
  the
• 7:28
  planet,
• 7:28
  one
• 7:29
  of
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  key
• 7:29
  polarities
• 7:30
  is
• 7:30
  claiming
• 7:30
  power
• 7:31
  and
• 7:31
  sharing
• 7:31
  power.
• 7:32
  And
• 7:32
  if
• 7:32
  we
• 7:32
  claim
• 7:33
  power
• 7:33
  without
• 7:33
  sharing
• 7:34
  power,
• 7:34
  it
• 7:34
  becomes
• 7:35
  an
• 7:35
  abuse
• 7:35
  of
• 7:35
  power.
• 7:36
  And
• 7:36
  if
• 7:37
  we
• 7:37
  share
• 7:37
  power
• 7:37
  without
• 7:38
  claiming
• 7:38
  power,
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  allows
• 7:39
  the
• 7:39
  abuse
• 7:40
  of
• 7:40
  power.
• 7:41
  So
• 7:41
  the
• 7:41
  power
• 7:42
  dynamic,
• 7:42
  which
• 7:43
  is
• 7:43
  important
• 7:43
  in
• 7:43
  democracy
• 7:44
  especially,
• 7:45
  is
• 7:45
  about
• 7:45
  claiming
• 7:46
  power
• 7:46
  and
• 7:46
  sharing
• 7:46
  power.
• 7:47
  Within
• 7:48
  all
• 7:48
  of
• 7:48
  our
• 7:48
  various
• 7:49
  faith
• 7:49
  traditions,
• 7:50
  there's
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  natural
• 7:51
  tension
• 7:52
  between
• 7:52
  justice
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  mercy,
• 7:53
  and
• 7:54
  how
• 7:54
  are
• 7:54
  those
• 7:54
  played
• 7:55
  out.
• 7:55
  And
• 7:55
  we
• 7:55
  see
• 7:56
  that
• 7:56
  when
• 7:56
  we
• 7:57
  look
• 7:57
  at
• 7:57
  what's
• 7:57
  going
• 7:57
  on
• 7:58
  in
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  world
• 7:58
  as
• 7:58
  well.
• 7:59
  But
• 8:00
  before
• 8:00
  getting
• 8:00
  into
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  lot
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  descriptions
• 8:02
  of
• 8:03
  polarities,
• 8:03
  I'd
• 8:03
  like
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  introduce
• 8:05
  people
• 8:05
  to
• 8:05
  get
• 8:06
  to
• 8:06
  experience
• 8:07
  this
• 8:07
  dimension
• 8:08
  in
• 8:08
  its
• 8:08
  simplest
• 8:09
  form
• 8:09
  and
• 8:10
  then
• 8:10
  build
• 8:10
  out
• 8:10
  from
• 8:11
  that.
• 8:11
  So
• 8:11
  what
• 8:12
  I'd
• 8:12
  like
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  do,
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  start,
• 8:13
  as
• 8:14
  Beena
• 8:14
  mentioned,
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  model
• 8:16
  in
• 8:16
  its
• 8:16
  simplest
• 8:17
  form
• 8:17
  is
• 8:17
  an
• 8:18
  infinity
• 8:18
  loop,
• 8:18
  which
• 8:18
  is
• 8:19
  like
• 8:19
  a
• 8:19
  figure
• 8:19
  eight
• 8:19
  that's
• 8:20
  laid
• 8:20
  on
• 8:20
  its
• 8:20
  side.
• 8:21
  And
• 8:21
  so
• 8:22
  I'd
• 8:22
  like
• 8:22
  people
• 8:23
  to
• 8:23
  experience
• 8:24
  physically
• 8:25
  this
• 8:25
  infinity
• 8:26
  loop
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  how
• 8:26
  it
• 8:27
  works.
• 8:27
  And
• 8:28
  so
• 8:28
  what
• 8:28
  I
• 8:28
  like
• 8:29
  everybody
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  do
• 8:29
  is
• 8:29
  if
• 8:30
  you'd
• 8:30
  close
• 8:30
  your
• 8:30
  eyes,
• 8:31
  and
• 8:32
  I'd
• 8:32
  like
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  to
• 8:32
  put
• 8:32
  your
• 8:32
  finger
• 8:34
  right
• 8:34
  on
• 8:34
  the
• 8:34
  bridge
• 8:34
  of
• 8:35
  your
• 8:35
  nose
• 8:35
  between
• 8:35
  your
• 8:36
  two
• 8:36
  eyes.
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  what
• 8:37
  I'm
• 8:38
  going
• 8:38
  to
• 8:38
  have
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  do
• 8:39
  is
• 8:39
  essentially
• 8:40
  trace
• 8:41
  your
• 8:41
  two
• 8:41
  eye
• 8:42
  sockets
• 8:42
  in
• 8:42
  the
• 8:43
  form
• 8:43
  of
• 8:43
  an
• 8:43
  Infinity
• 8:44
  loop.
• 8:44
  And
• 8:44
  I'll
• 8:44
  guide
• 8:44
  you
• 8:45
  through
• 8:45
  this.
• 8:45
  And
• 8:46
  after
• 8:46
  getting
• 8:46
  into
• 8:47
  it
• 8:47
  a
• 8:47
  little
• 8:47
  bit
• 8:47
  so
• 8:47
  you
• 8:48
  get
• 8:48
  the
• 8:48
  feel
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  this
• 8:49
  process,
• 8:50
  then
• 8:50
  I'm
• 8:50
  going
• 8:50
  to
• 8:50
  ask
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  to
• 8:51
  engage
• 8:51
  inhaling
• 8:52
  and
• 8:52
  exhaling
• 8:53
  as
• 8:53
  a
• 8:54
  process
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  flowing
• 8:55
  through
• 8:55
  this
• 8:55
  loop
• 8:55
  as
• 8:55
  a
• 8:55
  simple
• 8:56
  metaphor
• 8:56
  for
• 8:56
  all
• 8:57
  polarities.
• 8:58
  So
• 8:58
  I'd
• 8:58
  like
• 8:58
  you
• 8:58
  to
• 8:59
  start
• 8:59
  by
• 8:59
  just
• 8:59
  going
• 9:00
  from
• 9:00
  the
• 9:00
  bridge
• 9:00
  of
• 9:01
  your
• 9:01
  nose
• 9:01
  to
• 9:02
  your
• 9:02
  left
• 9:03
  eyebrow
• 9:04
  and
• 9:04
  follow,
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  can
• 9:05
  just
• 9:05
  feel
• 9:05
  the
• 9:05
  rim
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  your
• 9:06
  socket.
• 9:06
  Follow
• 9:07
  it
• 9:07
  down
• 9:07
  to
• 9:07
  your
• 9:07
  left
• 9:08
  cheek.
• 9:10
  Then
• 9:10
  slowly
• 9:10
  move
• 9:11
  across
• 9:11
  your
• 9:11
  nose
• 9:11
  to
• 9:12
  your
• 9:12
  right
• 9:12
  eyebrow.
• 9:14
  Follow
• 9:14
  that
• 9:14
  socket
• 9:15
  down
• 9:15
  to
• 9:15
  your
• 9:15
  right
• 9:15
  cheek.
• 9:17
  And
• 9:17
  let's
• 9:17
  cross
• 9:17
  over
• 9:17
  a
• 9:18
  couple
• 9:18
  more
• 9:18
  times
• 9:18
  up
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  your
• 9:19
  left
• 9:19
  eyebrow,
• 9:21
  left
• 9:21
  cheek,
• 9:23
  right
• 9:23
  eyebrow,
• 9:25
  right
• 9:25
  cheek.
• 9:26
  Okay,
• 9:27
  so
• 9:27
  now
• 9:27
  if
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  stop
• 9:28
  here
• 9:28
  at
• 9:28
  your
• 9:28
  right
• 9:28
  cheek
• 9:29
  for
• 9:29
  a
• 9:29
  second.
• 9:29
  Now
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  want
• 9:30
  you
• 9:30
  to
• 9:30
  incorporate
• 9:31
  inhaling
• 9:32
  and
• 9:32
  exhaling
• 9:33
  and
• 9:33
  I'll
• 9:33
  guide
• 9:34
  you
• 9:34
  through
• 9:34
  it.
• 9:34
  And
• 9:34
  then
• 9:34
  I'll
• 9:35
  let
• 9:35
  you
• 9:35
  just
• 9:35
  follow
• 9:35
  your
• 9:36
  own
• 9:36
  breathing
• 9:36
  pattern
• 9:37
  and
• 9:37
  try
• 9:37
  to
• 9:38
  have
• 9:38
  your
• 9:38
  breathing
• 9:39
  match
• 9:40
  your
• 9:40
  movement
• 9:40
  through
• 9:41
  this
• 9:41
  infinity
• 9:41
  loop.
• 9:42
  So
• 9:42
  starting
• 9:42
  with
• 9:43
  your
• 9:43
  finger
• 9:44
  on
• 9:44
  your
• 9:44
  right
• 9:44
  cheek,
• 9:45
  you're
• 9:45
  going
• 9:45
  to
• 9:45
  cross
• 9:46
  to
• 9:46
  your
• 9:46
  eyebrow.
• 9:47
  As
• 9:47
  you
• 9:47
  inhale,
• 9:48
  your
• 9:48
  left
• 9:48
  eyebrow.
• 9:50
  So
• 9:50
  go
• 9:50
  ahead,
• 9:50
  inhale,
• 9:51
  cross
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  your
• 9:51
  left
• 9:52
  eyebrow,
• 9:52
  down
• 9:53
  to
• 9:53
  your
• 9:53
  left
• 9:53
  cheek.
• 9:54
  Now
• 9:54
  exhale
• 9:57
  to
• 9:57
  your
• 9:57
  right
• 9:58
  eyebrow,
• 9:58
  right
• 9:59
  cheek.
• 10:00
  Inhale
• 10:00
  again
• 10:00
  to
• 10:01
  your
• 10:01
  left
• 10:01
  eyebrow,
• 10:03
  left
• 10:03
  cheek,
• 10:04
  Exhale
• 10:05
  to
• 10:05
  your
• 10:06
  right
• 10:06
  eyebrow.
• 10:07
  Just
• 10:07
  go
• 10:07
  through
• 10:07
  a
• 10:07
  couple
• 10:08
  times
• 10:08
  at
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  pace
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  your
• 10:09
  own
• 10:09
  breathing.
• 10:20
  Okay,
• 10:21
  thank
• 10:22
  you.
• 10:24
  Now
• 10:24
  I'd
• 10:24
  like
• 10:25
  to
• 10:25
  just
• 10:25
  comment
• 10:25
  about
• 10:27
  this
• 10:27
  infinity
• 10:28
  loop.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  breathing
• 10:30
  is
• 10:30
  a
• 10:30
  metaphor.
• 10:31
  So
• 10:31
  within
• 10:32
  all
• 10:32
  polarities,
• 10:33
  you
• 10:34
  have
• 10:34
  two
• 10:34
  upsides
• 10:35
  or
• 10:35
  two
• 10:35
  benefits.
• 10:36
  Each
• 10:37
  pole
• 10:38
  brings
• 10:38
  something
• 10:38
  to
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  relationship
• 10:39
  and
• 10:40
  they
• 10:40
  show
• 10:40
  up
• 10:41
  in
• 10:41
  this
• 10:41
  case
• 10:41
  as
• 10:41
  the
• 10:42
  two
• 10:42
  upsides
• 10:42
  or
• 10:42
  our
• 10:42
  two
• 10:43
  eyebrows.
• 10:44
  So
• 10:44
  when
• 10:44
  you
• 10:44
  inhale,
• 10:45
  for
• 10:45
  example,
• 10:45
  you
• 10:45
  go
• 10:46
  to
• 10:46
  your
• 10:46
  left
• 10:46
  eyebrow.
• 10:47
  When
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  inhale,
• 10:48
  you
• 10:48
  get
• 10:48
  oxygen.
• 10:49
  It's
• 10:49
  absolutely
• 10:50
  essential.
• 10:51
  Over
• 10:51
  time,
• 10:51
  however,
• 10:52
  if
• 10:52
  you,
• 10:52
  as
• 10:52
  you
• 10:53
  swing
• 10:53
  down
• 10:53
  to
• 10:53
  your
• 10:53
  left
• 10:54
  cheek,
• 10:54
  you
• 10:55
  experience
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  limits
• 10:56
  of
• 10:56
  inhaling
• 10:56
  alone.
• 10:57
  The
• 10:57
  natural
• 10:58
  self
• 10:58
  correction
• 10:59
  then
• 10:59
  is
• 10:59
  to
• 11:00
  go
• 11:00
  to
• 11:00
  your
• 11:00
  right
• 11:01
  eyebrow
• 11:01
  by
• 11:02
  exhaling,
• 11:03
  which
• 11:03
  is
• 11:03
  great,
• 11:04
  and
• 11:04
  it
• 11:04
  contributes
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  getting
• 11:05
  rid
• 11:05
  of
• 11:06
  carbon
• 11:06
  dioxide.
• 11:07
  And
• 11:07
  if
• 11:07
  you
• 11:07
  hold
• 11:07
  that
• 11:07
  exhalation
• 11:08
  long
• 11:08
  enough,
• 11:09
  you
• 11:09
  experience
• 11:09
  the
• 11:10
  limits
• 11:10
  of
• 11:10
  exhaling
• 11:11
  and
• 11:11
  you're
• 11:11
  down
• 11:11
  to
• 11:12
  your
• 11:12
  right
• 11:12
  cheek
• 11:12
  and
• 11:12
  you
• 11:13
  start
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  process
• 11:13
  all
• 11:14
  over
• 11:14
  again.
• 11:15
  So
• 11:15
  with
• 11:15
  all
• 11:15
  polarities,
• 11:16
  there's
• 11:17
  a
• 11:17
  couple
• 11:17
  of
• 11:17
  important
• 11:17
  points
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  be
• 11:18
  aware
• 11:18
  of.
• 11:19
  First
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  they
• 11:21
  are
• 11:21
  interdependent.
• 11:22
  They
• 11:22
  need
• 11:22
  each
• 11:22
  other.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:23
  over
• 11:23
  time,
• 11:24
  both
• 11:24
  need
• 11:25
  to
• 11:25
  be
• 11:25
  included
• 11:26
  and
• 11:26
  incorporated.
• 11:28
  And
• 11:28
  each
• 11:28
  one
• 11:29
  brings
• 11:29
  something
• 11:29
  special
• 11:30
  to
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  relationship.
• 11:31
  And
• 11:31
  so
• 11:32
  over
• 11:32
  time,
• 11:33
  when
• 11:33
  you
• 11:33
  go
• 11:33
  after
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  benefits
• 11:34
  of
• 11:35
  one
• 11:35
  pole,
• 11:35
  over
• 11:35
  time
• 11:36
  you
• 11:36
  experience
• 11:36
  its
• 11:36
  limits
• 11:37
  and
• 11:37
  it
• 11:37
  brings
• 11:38
  you
• 11:38
  back
• 11:38
  to
• 11:38
  the
• 11:39
  upside
• 11:39
  of
• 11:39
  the
• 11:39
  other
• 11:39
  pole.
• 11:40
  So
• 11:40
  that's
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  essence
• 11:41
  of
• 11:42
  all
• 11:42
  polarities.
• 11:43
  And
• 11:44
  Beena,
• 11:45
  when
• 11:45
  we
• 11:45
  were
• 11:45
  talking
• 11:45
  about
• 11:46
  this
• 11:46
  earlier
• 11:46
  this
• 11:47
  morning,
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  anticipation
• 11:48
  of
• 11:48
  this,
• 11:49
  you
• 11:49
  were
• 11:49
  talking
• 11:49
  about
• 11:49
  Indian
• 11:50
  wisdom
• 11:50
  around
• 11:51
  this
• 11:51
  oscillation
• 11:52
  of
• 11:52
  the
• 11:52
  infinity
• 11:53
  loop
• 11:53
  around
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  two
• 11:53
  eyes.
• 11:54
  Could
• 11:54
  you
• 11:54
  share
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  little
• 11:55
  about
• 11:56
  your
• 11:56
  response
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  that
• 11:57
  as
• 11:57
  we
• 11:57
  talked?
• 11:58
  Yeah.
• 11:58
  First,
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  want
• 11:59
  to
• 11:59
  say,
• 11:59
  so,
• 11:59
  Peri,
• 11:59
  you've
• 12:00
  been
• 12:00
  teaching
• 12:00
  this
• 12:00
  for
• 12:00
  50
• 12:01
  years,
• 12:01
  and
• 12:01
  it's
• 12:01
  only
• 12:01
  recently
• 12:02
  that
• 12:03
  you've
• 12:03
  offered
• 12:03
  this
• 12:04
  as
• 12:05
  an
• 12:06
  experiential
• 12:07
  embodied
• 12:07
  metaphor,
• 12:08
  which
• 12:08
  I
• 12:08
  think
• 12:08
  is
• 12:09
  absolutely
• 12:09
  brilliant
• 12:10
  because
• 12:10
  it
• 12:10
  puts
• 12:10
  it
• 12:10
  in
• 12:11
  my
• 12:11
  body.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:12
  what
• 12:13
  was
• 12:13
  so
• 12:13
  interesting
• 12:13
  for
• 12:14
  me
• 12:14
  is
• 12:14
  to
• 12:14
  relate
• 12:15
  it
• 12:15
  to
• 12:15
  the
• 12:16
  Indian
• 12:17
  idea,
• 12:18
  because
• 12:18
  we
• 12:18
  do
• 12:18
  look
• 12:19
  at
• 12:19
  the
• 12:19
  left
• 12:19
  and
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  right
• 12:20
  side
• 12:21
  as
• 12:21
  being
• 12:22
  two
• 12:23
  opposites,
• 12:23
  if
• 12:23
  you
• 12:24
  will.
• 12:24
  So
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  left
• 12:25
  side
• 12:25
  is
• 12:26
  the
• 12:27
  feminine,
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  right
• 12:28
  side
• 12:28
  is
• 12:28
  the
• 12:28
  masculine.
• 12:29
  The
• 12:29
  left
• 12:29
  is
• 12:29
  night,
• 12:29
  the
• 12:30
  right
• 12:30
  is
• 12:30
  day,
• 12:30
  the
• 12:31
  left
• 12:31
  is
• 12:31
  moon,
• 12:31
  the
• 12:31
  right
• 12:32
  is
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  sun.
• 12:33
  So
• 12:33
  all
• 12:33
  dualities
• 12:35
  are
• 12:35
  encompassed
• 12:36
  in
• 12:36
  left
• 12:36
  and
• 12:37
  right.
• 12:38
  And
• 12:38
  then
• 12:38
  this
• 12:38
  part,
• 12:39
  which
• 12:39
  is
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  center
• 12:40
  of
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  forehead,
• 12:41
  which
• 12:41
  is
• 12:41
  above
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  two
• 12:43
  eyes,
• 12:44
  that
• 12:44
  is
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  space
• 12:45
  where
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  opposites
• 12:46
  get
• 12:46
  integrated.
• 12:47
  So
• 12:47
  that's
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  third
• 12:48
  eye.
• 12:49
  So
• 12:49
  you
• 12:49
  have
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  left
• 12:49
  eye
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  right
• 12:50
  eye,
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  then
• 12:51
  you
• 12:51
  have
• 12:51
  the
• 12:51
  concept
• 12:51
  of
• 12:51
  the
• 12:52
  third
• 12:52
  eye.
• 12:53
  So
• 12:53
  in
• 12:53
  just
• 12:53
  very
• 12:54
  simple
• 12:54
  terms,
• 12:55
  the
• 12:55
  third
• 12:55
  eye
• 12:55
  is
• 12:56
  the
• 12:56
  integrating
• 12:57
  wisdom
• 12:58
  that's
• 12:58
  not
• 12:59
  limited
• 12:59
  by
• 13:00
  the
• 13:00
  left
• 13:00
  or
• 13:00
  the
• 13:01
  right,
• 13:01
  but
• 13:01
  includes
• 13:02
  and
• 13:02
  transcends
• 13:03
  both.
• 13:04
  And
• 13:04
  so
• 13:05
  that
• 13:05
  was
• 13:05
  very
• 13:05
  exciting
• 13:05
  for
• 13:06
  me
• 13:06
  to
• 13:06
  have
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  little
• 13:07
  metaphorical
• 13:08
  embodiment
• 13:10
  link
• 13:10
  up
• 13:10
  to
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  ancient
• 13:12
  wisdom
• 13:12
  of
• 13:13
  my
• 13:13
  culture
• 13:14
  and
• 13:14
  also
• 13:15
  linking
• 13:15
  it
• 13:15
  to
• 13:15
  inhaling
• 13:16
  and
• 13:16
  exhaling.
• 13:17
  So
• 13:17
  I
• 13:17
  always
• 13:18
  like
• 13:18
  to
• 13:18
  say
• 13:18
  this,
• 13:19
  that
• 13:19
  if
• 13:19
  you
• 13:19
  are
• 13:20
  doing
• 13:21
  either
• 13:21
  or
• 13:21
  thinking
• 13:22
  in
• 13:23
  this
• 13:23
  example,
• 13:23
  it's
• 13:24
  as
• 13:24
  if
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  say
• 13:25
  that
• 13:25
  inhaling
• 13:25
  is
• 13:26
  better
• 13:26
  than
• 13:26
  exhaling,
• 13:27
  or
• 13:27
  you
• 13:27
  either
• 13:28
  inhale
• 13:28
  or
• 13:28
  exhale,
• 13:29
  or
• 13:30
  inhalers
• 13:31
  are
• 13:31
  better
• 13:31
  than
• 13:32
  exhalers.
• 13:33
  That's
• 13:33
  what
• 13:33
  we
• 13:33
  do.
• 13:34
  That's
• 13:35
  what
• 13:35
  we
• 13:35
  do
• 13:35
  in
• 13:35
  the
• 13:36
  way
• 13:36
  we
• 13:36
  see
• 13:36
  people.
• 13:37
  That's
• 13:37
  what
• 13:37
  we
• 13:38
  do
• 13:38
  when
• 13:39
  we
• 13:40
  take
• 13:40
  an
• 13:40
  interdependent,
• 13:41
  interconnected
• 13:42
  pair
• 13:42
  necessary
• 13:43
  for
• 13:43
  life
• 13:44
  and
• 13:44
  wholeness,
• 13:45
  and
• 13:45
  then
• 13:45
  we
• 13:45
  separate
• 13:46
  them
• 13:47
  using
• 13:47
  the
• 13:47
  or.
• 13:49
  Yes,
• 13:50
  that's
• 13:50
  very
• 13:50
  helpful.
• 13:51
  So
• 13:51
  what
• 13:52
  happens
• 13:52
  with
• 13:52
  all
• 13:53
  polarities
• 13:53
  to
• 13:54
  remember
• 13:54
  is
• 13:54
  that
• 13:55
  each
• 13:55
  brings
• 13:56
  something
• 13:56
  important
• 13:57
  that's
• 13:58
  essential
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  the
• 13:59
  relationship.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:00
  so
• 14:01
  if
• 14:01
  we
• 14:01
  look
• 14:01
  at
• 14:02
  leadership,
• 14:03
  for
• 14:03
  example,
• 14:03
  we
• 14:04
  have
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  simple
• 14:04
  polarity
• 14:05
  of
• 14:06
  being
• 14:07
  clear
• 14:07
  and
• 14:08
  being
• 14:08
  flexible.
• 14:09
  If
• 14:10
  you're
• 14:10
  clear
• 14:10
  without
• 14:11
  being
• 14:11
  flexible,
• 14:11
  you're
• 14:12
  seen
• 14:12
  as
• 14:12
  rigid.
• 14:13
  If
• 14:13
  you're
• 14:13
  flexible
• 14:14
  without
• 14:14
  being
• 14:14
  clear,
• 14:15
  you're
• 14:15
  seen
• 14:15
  as
• 14:15
  wishy
• 14:16
  washy.
• 14:16
  So
• 14:17
  the
• 14:17
  question
• 14:17
  is,
• 14:18
  how
• 14:18
  do
• 14:18
  we
• 14:18
  as
• 14:18
  a
• 14:19
  leader
• 14:19
  be
• 14:19
  able
• 14:19
  to
• 14:19
  be
• 14:20
  both
• 14:20
  clear
• 14:20
  and
• 14:21
  flexible?
• 14:22
  Being
• 14:22
  self
• 14:23
  assured
• 14:23
  and
• 14:23
  Humble.
• 14:24
  If
• 14:24
  you're
• 14:24
  self
• 14:25
  assured
• 14:25
  without
• 14:25
  being
• 14:26
  humble,
• 14:26
  you're
• 14:26
  seen
• 14:26
  as
• 14:26
  arrogant.
• 14:27
  If
• 14:27
  you're
• 14:28
  humble
• 14:28
  without
• 14:28
  being
• 14:28
  self
• 14:29
  assured,
• 14:29
  you're
• 14:30
  again
• 14:30
  seen
• 14:30
  as
• 14:30
  sort
• 14:30
  of
• 14:31
  mealy
• 14:31
  mouth
• 14:31
  or
• 14:31
  whatever.
• 14:33
  So
• 14:33
  these
• 14:33
  dimensions
• 14:34
  show
• 14:34
  up
• 14:34
  in
• 14:34
  leadership,
• 14:35
  they
• 14:35
  show
• 14:35
  up
• 14:35
  in
• 14:35
  organizations.
• 14:36
  Do
• 14:36
  we
• 14:36
  centralize
• 14:37
  in
• 14:38
  order
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  get
• 14:39
  systematic
• 14:39
  organization
• 14:40
  and
• 14:41
  coordination,
• 14:42
  or
• 14:42
  do
• 14:42
  we
• 14:42
  decentralize
• 14:43
  in
• 14:43
  order
• 14:43
  to
• 14:43
  be
• 14:44
  responsive?
• 14:45
  The
• 14:45
  answer
• 14:46
  is
• 14:46
  yes.
• 14:47
  And
• 14:47
  we
• 14:47
  need
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  get
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  benefits
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  each
• 14:49
  and
• 14:49
  over
• 14:50
  time
• 14:51
  when
• 14:51
  we
• 14:51
  focus
• 14:51
  on.
• 14:52
  I'll
• 14:52
  use
• 14:52
  one
• 14:53
  more
• 14:53
  basic
• 14:53
  metaphor
• 14:54
  here
• 14:54
  as
• 14:54
  we
• 14:54
  move
• 14:55
  on
• 14:55
  the
• 14:55
  metaphor
• 14:56
  of
• 14:56
  activity
• 14:56
  and
• 14:57
  rest.
• 14:58
  So
• 14:59
  this
• 14:59
  is
• 14:59
  a
• 14:59
  slightly
• 15:00
  larger
• 15:00
  cycle
• 15:01
  time.
• 15:01
  Inhaling
• 15:01
  and
• 15:02
  exhaling,
• 15:02
  you
• 15:02
  know,
• 15:03
  is
• 15:03
  a
• 15:03
  moment
• 15:03
  by
• 15:03
  moment
• 15:04
  cycle
• 15:04
  time.
• 15:05
  Activity
• 15:06
  and
• 15:06
  rest
• 15:06
  has
• 15:06
  a
• 15:06
  slightly
• 15:07
  longer
• 15:07
  cycle
• 15:07
  time,
• 15:08
  but
• 15:08
  it
• 15:08
  happens
• 15:08
  within
• 15:09
  a
• 15:09
  24
• 15:09
  hour
• 15:09
  period.
• 15:10
  We
• 15:11
  know
• 15:11
  that
• 15:11
  if
• 15:11
  we're
• 15:11
  active,
• 15:12
  it
• 15:12
  provides
• 15:13
  a
• 15:13
  great
• 15:14
  positive
• 15:15
  dimension.
• 15:15
  Being
• 15:15
  physically,
• 15:16
  mentally
• 15:16
  active,
• 15:17
  it's
• 15:17
  just
• 15:17
  wonderful.
• 15:18
  However,
• 15:19
  activity
• 15:20
  without
• 15:20
  any
• 15:20
  rest
• 15:21
  leads
• 15:21
  to
• 15:21
  burnout
• 15:22
  and
• 15:22
  dysfunction.
• 15:23
  And
• 15:23
  when
• 15:23
  you're
• 15:24
  experiencing
• 15:24
  that
• 15:24
  burnout,
• 15:25
  notice
• 15:25
  the
• 15:26
  natural
• 15:26
  self
• 15:27
  correction
• 15:27
  is
• 15:28
  to
• 15:28
  go
• 15:28
  to
• 15:28
  get
• 15:28
  the
• 15:29
  benefits
• 15:29
  of
• 15:29
  rest.
• 15:29
  The
• 15:30
  upside
• 15:30
  of
• 15:30
  rest,
• 15:30
  you
• 15:31
  incorporate
• 15:31
  that
• 15:32
  and
• 15:32
  it's
• 15:33
  easy
• 15:33
  to
• 15:33
  see
• 15:34
  burnout
• 15:35
  as
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  problem
• 15:36
  and
• 15:36
  rest
• 15:36
  as
• 15:36
  a
• 15:37
  solution.
• 15:37
  And
• 15:38
  in
• 15:38
  one
• 15:38
  sense
• 15:38
  it
• 15:39
  is,
• 15:39
  but
• 15:39
  in
• 15:39
  another
• 15:40
  sense,
• 15:40
  it's
• 15:41
  more
• 15:41
  accurately
• 15:42
  seen
• 15:42
  as
• 15:42
  a
• 15:43
  necessary
• 15:43
  self
• 15:44
  correction.
• 15:44
  In
• 15:45
  an
• 15:45
  ongoing
• 15:45
  oscillation
• 15:46
  of
• 15:46
  this
• 15:46
  infinity
• 15:47
  loop,
• 15:47
  you're
• 15:48
  burned
• 15:48
  out.
• 15:48
  You
• 15:48
  need
• 15:48
  to
• 15:49
  get
• 15:49
  some
• 15:49
  rest.
• 15:50
  You
• 15:50
  get
• 15:50
  the
• 15:50
  rest,
• 15:50
  which
• 15:51
  is
• 15:51
  rejuvenating.
• 15:52
  And
• 15:52
  then
• 15:52
  if
• 15:53
  you
• 15:53
  stayed
• 15:53
  in
• 15:53
  that
• 15:54
  rest
• 15:54
  position
• 15:55
  long
• 15:55
  enough,
• 15:56
  you'll
• 15:56
  experience
• 15:56
  yourself
• 15:57
  getting
• 15:57
  muscle
• 15:58
  atrophy,
• 15:58
  dysfunction.
• 15:59
  You
• 15:59
  need
• 15:59
  to
• 16:00
  get
• 16:00
  up,
• 16:00
  you
• 16:00
  know,
• 16:00
  get
• 16:00
  out
• 16:01
  of
• 16:01
  bed
• 16:01
  and
• 16:01
  be
• 16:02
  active
• 16:02
  again.
• 16:03
  So
• 16:03
  activity
• 16:03
  and
• 16:03
  rest
• 16:04
  is
• 16:04
  another
• 16:04
  example
• 16:05
  of
• 16:05
  this
• 16:06
  ongoing
• 16:07
  oscillation
• 16:07
  between
• 16:08
  the
• 16:08
  two
• 16:08
  poles.
• 16:09
  And
• 16:09
  with
• 16:09
  all
• 16:09
  polarities,
• 16:10
  once
• 16:10
  you
• 16:11
  are
• 16:11
  aware
• 16:11
  that
• 16:11
  you
• 16:11
  have
• 16:12
  one,
• 16:13
  first
• 16:13
  of
• 16:13
  all,
• 16:13
  the
• 16:13
  first
• 16:14
  thing
• 16:14
  you
• 16:14
  can
• 16:14
  do
• 16:14
  is
• 16:14
  stop
• 16:14
  fighting
• 16:15
  over
• 16:15
  whether
• 16:15
  you're
• 16:15
  going
• 16:16
  to
• 16:16
  be
• 16:16
  active
• 16:16
  or
• 16:16
  restful,
• 16:17
  because
• 16:18
  you're
• 16:18
  in
• 16:18
  both
• 16:19
  and
• 16:19
  you
• 16:19
  just
• 16:19
  have
• 16:20
  to
• 16:20
  take
• 16:20
  advantage
• 16:20
  of
• 16:21
  both.
• 16:21
  And
• 16:22
  what
• 16:22
  we
• 16:22
  talk
• 16:22
  about
• 16:22
  with
• 16:23
  leveraging
• 16:23
  polarities
• 16:24
  is
• 16:24
  you
• 16:24
  need
• 16:24
  to
• 16:24
  maximize
• 16:25
  both
• 16:25
  upsides
• 16:26
  and
• 16:27
  minimize
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  downsides.
• 16:28
  And
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  can
• 16:29
  be
• 16:29
  intentional
• 16:30
  about
• 16:30
  that
• 16:30
  if
• 16:31
  you're
• 16:31
  aware
• 16:31
  you
• 16:32
  have
• 16:32
  a
• 16:32
  polarity.
• 16:33
  So
• 16:34
  the
• 16:35
  notion
• 16:35
  of
• 16:35
  either
• 16:36
  or
• 16:36
  thinking,
• 16:36
  I
• 16:37
  want
• 16:37
  to
• 16:37
  be
• 16:37
  clear
• 16:37
  about
• 16:38
  this
• 16:38
  from
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  beginning.
• 16:39
  Either
• 16:40
  or
• 16:40
  thinking
• 16:41
  is
• 16:41
  absolutely
• 16:42
  essential.
• 16:43
  It
• 16:43
  is
• 16:44
  bedrock.
• 16:45
  We
• 16:45
  need
• 16:45
  either
• 16:45
  or
• 16:46
  thinking
• 16:46
  to
• 16:47
  differentiate
• 16:48
  our.
• 16:48
  We
• 16:49
  learn
• 16:49
  as
• 16:49
  a
• 16:49
  child,
• 16:50
  we
• 16:50
  learn
• 16:50
  to
• 16:50
  differentiate
• 16:51
  our
• 16:52
  eyes
• 16:52
  from
• 16:53
  our
• 16:53
  nose
• 16:53
  or
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  car
• 16:55
  from
• 16:55
  a
• 16:55
  house.
• 16:56
  So
• 16:57
  any
• 16:57
  language
• 16:58
  taught
• 16:58
  in
• 16:58
  any
• 16:59
  culture,
• 16:59
  all
• 17:00
  cultures
• 17:00
  have
• 17:00
  language.
• 17:01
  What
• 17:01
  the
• 17:01
  language
• 17:02
  has
• 17:02
  in
• 17:02
  common
• 17:02
  is
• 17:03
  it
• 17:03
  differentiates
• 17:04
  things
• 17:04
  from
• 17:04
  each
• 17:04
  other.
• 17:05
  So
• 17:06
  we
• 17:06
  learn
• 17:07
  math,
• 17:07
  we
• 17:07
  learn
• 17:08
  science,
• 17:08
  we
• 17:08
  learn
• 17:09
  our
• 17:09
  language,
• 17:09
  we
• 17:10
  learn
• 17:10
  our
• 17:10
  culture.
• 17:11
  That's
• 17:11
  all
• 17:11
  about
• 17:12
  differentiating
• 17:13
  in
• 17:13
  either
• 17:13
  or
• 17:13
  thinking.
• 17:14
  So
• 17:14
  it's
• 17:14
  absolutely
• 17:15
  essential.
• 17:16
  The
• 17:16
  problem
• 17:16
  with
• 17:17
  either
• 17:17
  or
• 17:17
  thinking
• 17:18
  is
• 17:18
  not
• 17:19
  inherent
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  either
• 17:20
  or
• 17:20
  thinking.
• 17:20
  It's
• 17:21
  either
• 17:21
  or
• 17:21
  thinking
• 17:22
  without
• 17:23
  its
• 17:24
  polarity
• 17:24
  pole,
• 17:25
  both
• 17:26
  and
• 17:26
  thinking.
• 17:27
  And
• 17:27
  that's
• 17:28
  when
• 17:28
  we
• 17:28
  get
• 17:28
  into
• 17:28
  trouble.
• 17:29
  So
• 17:29
  we
• 17:29
  need
• 17:30
  to
• 17:30
  supplement
• 17:31
  either
• 17:31
  or
• 17:32
  thinking
• 17:32
  with
• 17:32
  both
• 17:33
  and
• 17:33
  thinking.
• 17:34
  So
• 17:34
  we
• 17:34
  learn
• 17:35
  about
• 17:35
  either
• 17:36
  or
• 17:36
  thinking
• 17:37
  when
• 17:37
  we
• 17:37
  are
• 17:37
  growing
• 17:38
  up
• 17:38
  in
• 17:38
  school
• 17:39
  and
• 17:39
  when
• 17:39
  we
• 17:40
  have
• 17:40
  tests,
• 17:40
  we
• 17:41
  also
• 17:41
  learn
• 17:42
  about
• 17:42
  both
• 17:43
  and
• 17:43
  thinking.
• 17:43
  And
• 17:44
  the
• 17:44
  way
• 17:44
  this
• 17:44
  happens
• 17:45
  in
• 17:45
  our
• 17:45
  culture
• 17:45
  is
• 17:46
  less
• 17:46
  formal,
• 17:47
  but
• 17:47
  it's
• 17:47
  like,
• 17:48
  I'd
• 17:48
  like
• 17:48
  you
• 17:48
  to
• 17:48
  imagine
• 17:49
  for
• 17:49
  a
• 17:49
  second
• 17:49
  that
• 17:50
  you're
• 17:50
  two
• 17:50
  years
• 17:51
  old
• 17:51
  and
• 17:51
  you're
• 17:52
  playing
• 17:52
  in
• 17:52
  your
• 17:53
  home
• 17:53
  with
• 17:53
  either
• 17:54
  some
• 17:54
  siblings
• 17:54
  or
• 17:55
  some
• 17:55
  neighbor
• 17:55
  kids
• 17:55
  or
• 17:55
  whatever,
• 17:55
  and
• 17:56
  you
• 17:56
  got
• 17:56
  some
• 17:56
  toys
• 17:56
  on
• 17:56
  the
• 17:57
  floor,
• 17:57
  and
• 17:57
  you're
• 17:58
  getting
• 17:58
  into
• 17:58
  an
• 17:59
  argument
• 17:59
  over
• 17:59
  the
• 17:59
  toys,
• 18:00
  and
• 18:01
  one
• 18:01
  of
• 18:01
  your
• 18:01
  parents
• 18:02
  comes
• 18:02
  in
• 18:02
  and
• 18:02
  sees
• 18:02
  you
• 18:03
  arguing
• 18:03
  over
• 18:03
  the
• 18:03
  toys.
• 18:04
  What
• 18:04
  is
• 18:04
  it
• 18:04
  that
• 18:05
  our
• 18:05
  parents
• 18:05
  teach
• 18:06
  us?
• 18:06
  By
• 18:07
  two
• 18:07
  years
• 18:07
  old,
• 18:07
  we
• 18:08
  know
• 18:08
  if
• 18:08
  we're
• 18:08
  fighting
• 18:09
  over
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  toys,
• 18:09
  we
• 18:10
  should
• 18:10
  learn
• 18:10
  to.
• 18:11
  What
• 18:12
  about
• 18:13
  share?
• 18:14
  Yes,
• 18:15
  we
• 18:15
  learn
• 18:15
  to
• 18:15
  share.
• 18:16
  Right,
• 18:18
  Roger?
• 18:20
  I.
• 18:21
  I
• 18:21
  remember
• 18:21
  back
• 18:21
  when.
• 18:22
  Right.
• 18:24
  I
• 18:24
  did
• 18:24
  that
• 18:25
  once.
• 18:25
  Yes.
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  still
• 18:26
  don't
• 18:27
  get
• 18:27
  it.
• 18:27
  You
• 18:27
  know,
• 18:27
  I'm
• 18:28
  working
• 18:28
  on
• 18:28
  that.
• 18:30
  So
• 18:30
  in
• 18:30
  this
• 18:30
  teaching
• 18:31
  us
• 18:31
  to
• 18:31
  share,
• 18:32
  what
• 18:32
  our
• 18:33
  parents
• 18:33
  were
• 18:33
  helping
• 18:34
  us
• 18:34
  with
• 18:34
  or
• 18:34
  our
• 18:34
  teachers
• 18:35
  in
• 18:35
  early
• 18:35
  school
• 18:36
  or
• 18:36
  whatever
• 18:36
  were
• 18:36
  teaching
• 18:37
  us,
• 18:37
  is
• 18:37
  that
• 18:38
  we
• 18:38
  need
• 18:38
  to
• 18:38
  learn
• 18:38
  to
• 18:38
  take
• 18:39
  care
• 18:39
  of
• 18:39
  ourselves
• 18:40
  and
• 18:40
  take
• 18:41
  care
• 18:41
  of
• 18:41
  others.
• 18:42
  But
• 18:42
  rather
• 18:42
  than
• 18:43
  say,
• 18:43
  you
• 18:43
  need
• 18:43
  to
• 18:43
  understand
• 18:44
  polarities,
• 18:44
  they
• 18:45
  get
• 18:45
  right
• 18:45
  to
• 18:45
  the
• 18:45
  chase,
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  they
• 18:46
  say,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  need
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  learn
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  share.
• 18:48
  And
• 18:48
  then
• 18:48
  they
• 18:48
  help
• 18:48
  us
• 18:49
  figure
• 18:49
  out
• 18:49
  how.
• 18:49
  Well,
• 18:49
  how
• 18:50
  would
• 18:50
  I
• 18:50
  do
• 18:50
  that?
• 18:50
  Well,
• 18:51
  if
• 18:51
  you
• 18:51
  have
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  same
• 18:51
  toy
• 18:52
  you're
• 18:52
  fighting
• 18:52
  over,
• 18:52
  you
• 18:53
  say,
• 18:53
  well,
• 18:53
  you
• 18:53
  can
• 18:53
  have
• 18:53
  it
• 18:54
  for
• 18:54
  some
• 18:54
  time,
• 18:54
  and
• 18:54
  then
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  other
• 18:55
  person
• 18:55
  has
• 18:55
  it
• 18:55
  for
• 18:55
  some
• 18:55
  time,
• 18:56
  or
• 18:56
  you
• 18:57
  divide
• 18:57
  up
• 18:57
  the
• 18:57
  toys,
• 18:57
  but
• 18:57
  you
• 18:58
  figure
• 18:58
  out
• 18:58
  a
• 18:58
  way
• 18:58
  to
• 18:59
  take
• 18:59
  care
• 18:59
  of
• 18:59
  myself
• 19:00
  and
• 19:00
  take
• 19:01
  care
• 19:01
  of
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  other.
• 19:02
  So
• 19:03
  this
• 19:03
  basic
• 19:04
  understanding
• 19:04
  of
• 19:05
  our
• 19:05
  interdependence
• 19:06
  and
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  need
• 19:06
  to
• 19:07
  share
• 19:07
  and
• 19:07
  both
• 19:07
  and
• 19:08
  thinking,
• 19:08
  it's
• 19:08
  in
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  culture.
• 19:09
  It's
• 19:09
  just
• 19:10
  not
• 19:10
  as
• 19:10
  powerful
• 19:11
  as
• 19:12
  the
• 19:13
  either
• 19:13
  or
• 19:14
  thinking
• 19:14
  model
• 19:15
  is
• 19:15
  because
• 19:15
  it's
• 19:16
  so
• 19:16
  fundamental
• 19:16
  to
• 19:16
  language
• 19:17
  and
• 19:17
  culture
• 19:17
  and
• 19:17
  science.
• 19:19
  So,
• 19:19
  Beena,
• 19:19
  would
• 19:20
  you
• 19:20
  share
• 19:21
  otherexamplesaboutbothand
• 19:24
  thinking
• 19:24
  andhowit
• 19:24
  showsup
• 19:25
  in
• 19:25
  leadersorin
• 19:26
  organizations?
• 19:28
  Yeah.
• 19:28
  You
• 19:29
  gave
• 19:29
  a
• 19:29
  good
• 19:29
  example
• 19:30
  of
• 19:30
  being
• 19:30
  clear
• 19:30
  and
• 19:30
  flexible,
• 19:31
  and
• 19:31
  you
• 19:31
  said
• 19:31
  we
• 19:31
  are
• 19:32
  seen
• 19:32
  as
• 19:32
  that.
• 19:32
  And
• 19:32
  I
• 19:33
  am
• 19:34
  quite
• 19:34
  interested
• 19:35
  in
• 19:35
  how
• 19:37
  we
• 19:37
  project
• 19:38
  on
• 19:38
  others.
• 19:39
  So
• 19:39
  it's
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  same
• 19:40
  dynamic.
• 19:40
  So
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  might
• 19:41
  be.
• 19:42
  I'm
• 19:42
  just
• 19:43
  thinking
• 19:43
  I
• 19:43
  have
• 19:43
  A
• 19:44
  brother
• 19:44
  who's
• 19:44
  quite
• 19:44
  cautious,
• 19:45
  and
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  tend
• 19:46
  to
• 19:47
  be
• 19:47
  more
• 19:47
  adventurous.
• 19:49
  But
• 19:49
  we
• 19:49
  both
• 19:49
  decided
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  one
• 19:50
  is
• 19:50
  the
• 19:51
  better
• 19:51
  way.
• 19:52
  He
• 19:52
  thinks
• 19:52
  it's
• 19:52
  better
• 19:52
  to
• 19:53
  be
• 19:53
  cautious
• 19:53
  because
• 19:53
  then
• 19:54
  I'm
• 19:54
  safe.
• 19:54
  And
• 19:55
  I've
• 19:55
  decided
• 19:55
  it's
• 19:56
  better
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  be
• 19:56
  adventurous
• 19:57
  because
• 19:58
  it's
• 19:59
  exciting.
• 19:59
  And,
• 19:59
  you
• 19:59
  know,
• 20:00
  there
• 20:00
  are
• 20:00
  so
• 20:00
  many
• 20:00
  possibilities.
• 20:01
  And
• 20:02
  so
• 20:02
  I
• 20:02
  think
• 20:02
  this,
• 20:03
  first
• 20:03
  of
• 20:03
  all,
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  key
• 20:03
  word
• 20:03
  is
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  better.
• 20:04
  You
• 20:04
  know,
• 20:04
  that's
• 20:05
  the.
• 20:05
  That's
• 20:05
  problematic.
• 20:06
  If
• 20:06
  you
• 20:06
  privilege
• 20:07
  one
• 20:07
  pole
• 20:07
  over
• 20:08
  the
• 20:08
  other,
• 20:08
  then
• 20:08
  there
• 20:09
  will
• 20:09
  be
• 20:09
  a
• 20:09
  point
• 20:10
  in
• 20:10
  which
• 20:10
  you
• 20:11
  will
• 20:11
  enter
• 20:11
  the
• 20:12
  downside
• 20:12
  of
• 20:13
  over
• 20:13
  focusing
• 20:14
  or
• 20:14
  privileging
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  pole.
• 20:15
  And
• 20:15
  that's
• 20:16
  why
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  say
• 20:16
  preferences
• 20:17
  are
• 20:17
  the
• 20:17
  root
• 20:17
  of
• 20:18
  evil.
• 20:19
  Because
• 20:19
  when
• 20:20
  you
• 20:20
  prefer
• 20:20
  something,
• 20:21
  then
• 20:21
  you
• 20:21
  will.
• 20:22
  Then
• 20:22
  there
• 20:22
  is
• 20:22
  some
• 20:23
  sort
• 20:23
  of
• 20:23
  dysfunction.
• 20:24
  And
• 20:24
  if
• 20:24
  you
• 20:24
  do
• 20:25
  it
• 20:25
  in
• 20:25
  an
• 20:25
  extreme
• 20:25
  way,
• 20:26
  then
• 20:26
  extreme
• 20:27
  dysfunction
• 20:27
  can
• 20:28
  become
• 20:28
  evil.
• 20:29
  But
• 20:30
  what
• 20:30
  we
• 20:30
  also
• 20:31
  do
• 20:31
  is
• 20:31
  see
• 20:31
  the
• 20:32
  downside
• 20:32
  in
• 20:32
  the
• 20:32
  other.
• 20:33
  So
• 20:33
  he
• 20:34
  sees
• 20:34
  me
• 20:35
  not
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  adventurous
• 20:36
  and
• 20:36
  all
• 20:36
  the
• 20:37
  wonderful
• 20:37
  thing
• 20:37
  that
• 20:37
  comes
• 20:37
  with
• 20:38
  adventure.
• 20:38
  He
• 20:39
  sees
• 20:39
  me
• 20:39
  as
• 20:39
  foolhardy,
• 20:40
  you
• 20:40
  know,
• 20:41
  just
• 20:41
  sometimes
• 20:41
  just
• 20:42
  wasting
• 20:42
  time
• 20:42
  and
• 20:42
  flailing
• 20:43
  and,
• 20:43
  you
• 20:43
  know,
• 20:43
  you
• 20:43
  should
• 20:44
  be
• 20:44
  resting
• 20:44
  and
• 20:44
  you
• 20:45
  shouldn't
• 20:45
  take
• 20:45
  on
• 20:45
  too
• 20:45
  much
• 20:45
  and
• 20:46
  all
• 20:46
  the
• 20:46
  things
• 20:46
  that
• 20:46
  come
• 20:47
  with
• 20:47
  my
• 20:48
  adventurousness.
• 20:49
  And
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  tend
• 20:50
  to
• 20:50
  see
• 20:51
  him
• 20:51
  as
• 20:51
  more
• 20:51
  fearful,
• 20:52
  narrow,
• 20:52
  constricted,
• 20:53
  constrained,
• 20:53
  you
• 20:54
  know,
• 20:54
  contracted.
• 20:56
  So
• 20:56
  that's
• 20:56
  also
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  other
• 20:57
  dynamic
• 20:57
  that
• 20:58
  happens
• 20:58
  in
• 20:58
  interpersonal
• 20:59
  context
• 21:00
  or
• 21:00
  relationships
• 21:01
  is
• 21:01
  we
• 21:01
  see
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  positive
• 21:04
  value
• 21:04
  that
• 21:05
  we
• 21:05
  are
• 21:05
  upholding
• 21:06
  that
• 21:06
  we
• 21:06
  are
• 21:06
  pursuing
• 21:07
  as
• 21:07
  part
• 21:07
  of
• 21:07
  our
• 21:08
  preferred
• 21:08
  pole.
• 21:09
  But
• 21:09
  we
• 21:10
  see
• 21:10
  the
• 21:10
  downside
• 21:10
  in
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  other.
• 21:11
  And
• 21:12
  so
• 21:12
  I
• 21:12
  see
• 21:12
  the
• 21:13
  downside
• 21:13
  of
• 21:13
  his
• 21:14
  preferred
• 21:14
  value.
• 21:14
  He
• 21:15
  sees
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  downside
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  my
• 21:16
  preferred
• 21:16
  value.
• 21:17
  Now,
• 21:17
  can
• 21:17
  you
• 21:18
  imagine
• 21:18
  all
• 21:18
  the
• 21:18
  different
• 21:19
  things
• 21:19
  that
• 21:19
  that
• 21:19
  leads
• 21:20
  to?
• 21:20
  It
• 21:20
  means
• 21:20
  then
• 21:20
  he
• 21:20
  can't
• 21:21
  appreciate
• 21:21
  adventurous.
• 21:22
  Not
• 21:22
  only
• 21:22
  that,
• 21:22
  he
• 21:22
  can't
• 21:23
  claim
• 21:23
  it
• 21:24
  for
• 21:24
  himself,
• 21:25
  so
• 21:25
  he
• 21:25
  disowns
• 21:26
  it.
• 21:26
  And
• 21:26
  then
• 21:26
  he
• 21:27
  projects
• 21:27
  the
• 21:27
  downside
• 21:28
  of
• 21:28
  it
• 21:28
  on
• 21:28
  me,
• 21:28
  and
• 21:29
  I
• 21:29
  do
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  same.
• 21:30
  So
• 21:30
  I
• 21:30
  can't
• 21:31
  claim
• 21:31
  my
• 21:31
  cautiousness,
• 21:32
  my
• 21:32
  sense
• 21:32
  of
• 21:33
  safekeeping.
• 21:34
  And
• 21:34
  then
• 21:34
  I
• 21:35
  interpret
• 21:36
  that
• 21:36
  as
• 21:36
  that's
• 21:36
  being
• 21:37
  fearful.
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  never
• 21:37
  want
• 21:38
  to
• 21:38
  be
• 21:38
  fearful,
• 21:38
  so
• 21:39
  I'm
• 21:39
  never
• 21:39
  going
• 21:39
  to
• 21:40
  embrace
• 21:40
  that.
• 21:41
  So
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  essence,
• 21:42
  I
• 21:42
  think,
• 21:42
  of
• 21:42
  polarity,
• 21:43
  wisdom
• 21:43
  is
• 21:43
  embracing
• 21:44
  the
• 21:45
  wisdom
• 21:45
  in
• 21:45
  the
• 21:46
  opposite
• 21:47
  interdependent
• 21:48
  value
• 21:48
  that
• 21:49
  is
• 21:49
  also
• 21:49
  needed
• 21:50
  for
• 21:50
  health
• 21:50
  in
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  system.
• 21:52
  Because
• 21:52
  both
• 21:52
  of
• 21:53
  us
• 21:53
  are
• 21:53
  going
• 21:53
  to
• 21:53
  end
• 21:54
  up
• 21:54
  over
• 21:54
  time
• 21:54
  in
• 21:55
  the
• 21:55
  downsides.
• 21:55
  I'm
• 21:55
  going
• 21:56
  to
• 21:56
  end
• 21:56
  up
• 21:56
  being
• 21:56
  more
• 21:57
  foolhardy
• 21:57
  than
• 21:57
  adventurous.
• 21:58
  He's
• 21:59
  going
• 21:59
  to
• 21:59
  end
• 21:59
  up
• 21:59
  being
• 21:59
  more
• 22:00
  fearful
• 22:01
  than
• 22:01
  cautious
• 22:02
  if
• 22:02
  he
• 22:02
  continues
• 22:03
  to
• 22:03
  privilege.
• 22:04
  If
• 22:04
  both
• 22:04
  of
• 22:04
  us
• 22:05
  continue
• 22:05
  to
• 22:05
  privilege.
• 22:05
  So
• 22:06
  hope
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  sort
• 22:06
  of
• 22:07
  breaks
• 22:07
  it
• 22:07
  down
• 22:07
  a
• 22:08
  little
• 22:08
  bit
• 22:08
  deeper
• 22:08
  into
• 22:09
  the
• 22:09
  Deeper
• 22:09
  sort
• 22:10
  of
• 22:10
  psychological
• 22:10
  dynamic
• 22:11
  that
• 22:11
  happens
• 22:12
  when
• 22:12
  we
• 22:12
  privilege
• 22:13
  one
• 22:13
  pole
• 22:14
  over
• 22:14
  the
• 22:14
  other.
• 22:15
  And
• 22:16
  we
• 22:16
  need
• 22:16
  to.
• 22:16
  In
• 22:16
  some
• 22:17
  situations.
• 22:17
  In
• 22:18
  some
• 22:18
  situations
• 22:18
  it
• 22:19
  is
• 22:19
  more
• 22:19
  helpful
• 22:19
  for
• 22:20
  me
• 22:20
  to
• 22:20
  be
• 22:20
  adventurous.
• 22:21
  And
• 22:21
  in
• 22:21
  some
• 22:21
  situations
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  better
• 22:23
  be
• 22:23
  cautious.
• 22:24
  Yes.
• 22:25
  And
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  extend
• 22:26
  from
• 22:26
  what
• 22:26
  you're
• 22:26
  saying
• 22:27
  there
• 22:27
  at
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  end,
• 22:27
  Wiener,
• 22:28
  one
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  things
• 22:29
  I
• 22:29
  appreciate
• 22:30
  about
• 22:30
  this
• 22:30
  way
• 22:31
  of
• 22:31
  thinking
• 22:31
  is
• 22:32
  its
• 22:32
  inherent
• 22:33
  flexibility.
• 22:34
  And
• 22:35
  it
• 22:35
  seems
• 22:36
  like
• 22:36
  an
• 22:36
  antidote
• 22:37
  to
• 22:37
  the
• 22:38
  automatic
• 22:38
  rigidity
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  is
• 22:39
  built
• 22:40
  into
• 22:40
  our
• 22:41
  psychological
• 22:41
  systems
• 22:42
  of
• 22:42
  kind
• 22:43
  of
• 22:43
  getting
• 22:43
  into
• 22:43
  ruts.
• 22:44
  And
• 22:44
  this
• 22:45
  polarity
• 22:45
  thinking
• 22:46
  expands
• 22:47
  our
• 22:47
  openness,
• 22:48
  our
• 22:48
  repertoire
• 22:49
  and
• 22:50
  range
• 22:50
  of
• 22:51
  possibilities.
• 22:53
  Just
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  say
• 22:53
  that
• 22:53
  that
• 22:54
  rigidity
• 22:54
  is
• 22:55
  what
• 22:55
  we
• 22:55
  call
• 22:55
  polarization.
• 22:57
  Right.
• 22:58
  And
• 22:58
  so
• 22:58
  I
• 22:58
  might
• 22:59
  make
• 22:59
  another
• 22:59
  bombastic
• 23:00
  statement
• 23:00
  that
• 23:01
  polarity
• 23:01
  thinking
• 23:02
  heals
• 23:03
  polarization.
• 23:05
  Oh
• 23:05
  boy,
• 23:05
  do
• 23:06
  we
• 23:06
  need
• 23:06
  polarity
• 23:06
  thinking.
• 23:07
  Man,
• 23:07
  I'm
• 23:08
  telling
• 23:08
  you,
• 23:09
  there's
• 23:10
  one
• 23:10
  other
• 23:10
  distinguishing
• 23:11
  characteristic
• 23:12
  that
• 23:12
  hasn't
• 23:13
  been
• 23:13
  mentioned
• 23:13
  yet,
• 23:13
  and
• 23:14
  I'd
• 23:14
  love
• 23:14
  to
• 23:14
  have
• 23:15
  either
• 23:15
  or
• 23:16
  both
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  you
• 23:16
  speak
• 23:16
  to
• 23:17
  it.
• 23:17
  And
• 23:17
  that
• 23:17
  is
• 23:17
  one
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  the
• 23:18
  things
• 23:18
  that
• 23:18
  really
• 23:19
  struck
• 23:19
  me
• 23:20
  in
• 23:20
  distinguishing
• 23:21
  either
• 23:22
  or
• 23:22
  thinking
• 23:23
  from
• 23:23
  polarity,
• 23:24
  both
• 23:25
  and
• 23:25
  thinking
• 23:26
  is
• 23:26
  that
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  either
• 23:27
  or
• 23:28
  inherently
• 23:29
  leads
• 23:29
  to
• 23:30
  an
• 23:30
  assumption
• 23:31
  that
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  can
• 23:33
  handle
• 23:33
  this
• 23:33
  problem
• 23:33
  once
• 23:34
  and
• 23:34
  for
• 23:34
  all.
• 23:35
  Okay,
• 23:36
  I'm
• 23:36
  going
• 23:36
  to
• 23:36
  choose
• 23:37
  this.
• 23:38
  You
• 23:38
  know,
• 23:38
  conservatism
• 23:39
  is
• 23:40
  the
• 23:40
  way
• 23:40
  to
• 23:40
  go,
• 23:40
  and
• 23:41
  that's
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  end
• 23:41
  of
• 23:41
  the
• 23:42
  problem.
• 23:42
  But
• 23:43
  you
• 23:43
  point
• 23:43
  out
• 23:43
  that
• 23:44
  with
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  both
• 23:44
  and
• 23:45
  thinking,
• 23:45
  it's
• 23:46
  never
• 23:47
  final.
• 23:48
  There's
• 23:48
  always
• 23:49
  an
• 23:49
  ongoing
• 23:50
  balancing
• 23:50
  game.
• 23:52
  Yes,
• 23:52
  there's
• 23:52
  an
• 23:53
  ongoing
• 23:53
  dynamic
• 23:54
  between
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  two.
• 23:54
  Over
• 23:55
  time,
• 23:55
  you
• 23:55
  have
• 23:55
  to
• 23:56
  incorporate
• 23:56
  both
• 23:56
  or
• 23:57
  you
• 23:57
  get
• 23:57
  in
• 23:57
  trouble.
• 23:57
  Just
• 23:58
  like
• 23:58
  over
• 23:58
  time,
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  have
• 23:59
  to.
• 24:00
  If
• 24:00
  you've
• 24:00
  been
• 24:00
  inhaling
• 24:01
  for
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  while,
• 24:01
  you're
• 24:01
  going
• 24:01
  to
• 24:02
  have
• 24:02
  to
• 24:02
  exhale.
• 24:03
  If
• 24:03
  you've
• 24:03
  been
• 24:03
  active
• 24:04
  for
• 24:04
  a
• 24:04
  while,
• 24:04
  you're
• 24:04
  going
• 24:05
  to
• 24:05
  have
• 24:05
  to
• 24:06
  get
• 24:06
  some
• 24:06
  rest.
• 24:07
  So
• 24:07
  there
• 24:08
  is
• 24:08
  this
• 24:08
  ongoing
• 24:09
  nature
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  all
• 24:10
  polarities
• 24:11
  and
• 24:11
  there
• 24:12
  are
• 24:12
  tons
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  problems
• 24:13
  we
• 24:13
  need
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  solve
• 24:14
  which
• 24:14
  they
• 24:14
  finalize.
• 24:15
  Like
• 24:15
  how
• 24:15
  do
• 24:15
  we
• 24:15
  get
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  the
• 24:16
  moon
• 24:16
  and
• 24:16
  back
• 24:16
  safely?
• 24:17
  That's
• 24:17
  a
• 24:17
  problem
• 24:18
  to
• 24:18
  solve,
• 24:19
  involves
• 24:19
  all
• 24:19
  sorts
• 24:20
  of
• 24:21
  this
• 24:21
  necessary
• 24:21
  problem
• 24:22
  solving
• 24:22
  aspect.
• 24:23
  And
• 24:24
  so
• 24:24
  that's
• 24:24
  absolutely
• 24:25
  essential.
• 24:26
  So
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  problem
• 24:27
  with
• 24:27
  either
• 24:27
  or
• 24:28
  thinking
• 24:29
  is
• 24:29
  that
• 24:30
  either
• 24:30
  or
• 24:30
  thinking
• 24:31
  without
• 24:31
  its
• 24:32
  pole
• 24:32
  partner,
• 24:32
  the
• 24:33
  polarity
• 24:33
  of
• 24:33
  either
• 24:33
  or
• 24:34
  thinking
• 24:34
  and
• 24:34
  both
• 24:34
  and
• 24:35
  thinking
• 24:35
  is
• 24:35
  essential.
• 24:36
  So
• 24:37
  both
• 24:37
  and
• 24:38
  thinking
• 24:38
  has
• 24:38
  its
• 24:38
  own
• 24:39
  downside.
• 24:39
  This
• 24:40
  is
• 24:40
  important.
• 24:40
  We're
• 24:41
  not
• 24:41
  advocating
• 24:42
  that
• 24:42
  both
• 24:42
  and
• 24:43
  thinking
• 24:43
  is
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  wave
• 24:43
  of
• 24:44
  the
• 24:44
  future
• 24:44
  and
• 24:44
  either
• 24:44
  or
• 24:45
  thinking
• 24:45
  is
• 24:45
  to
• 24:45
  be
• 24:45
  left
• 24:46
  behind.
• 24:47
  We're
• 24:47
  saying
• 24:47
  no,
• 24:47
  no,
• 24:48
  either
• 24:48
  or
• 24:48
  thinking
• 24:48
  is
• 24:49
  absolutely
• 24:49
  essential.
• 24:50
  It's
• 24:50
  bedrock
• 24:51
  and
• 24:52
  it
• 24:52
  gets
• 24:52
  us
• 24:52
  into
• 24:53
  trouble.
• 24:53
  As
• 24:53
  a
• 24:53
  matter
• 24:54
  of
• 24:54
  fact,
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  will
• 24:54
  go
• 24:55
  so
• 24:55
  far
• 24:55
  as
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  say
• 24:55
  that
• 24:56
  either
• 24:57
  or
• 24:57
  thinking
• 24:58
  without
• 24:59
  Its
• 24:59
  necessary
• 25:00
  partner,
• 25:00
  both
• 25:00
  and
• 25:01
  thinking
• 25:02
  is
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  root
• 25:02
  cause
• 25:03
  of
• 25:03
  poverty,
• 25:04
  racism,
• 25:04
  sexism
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  war.
• 25:07
  And
• 25:08
  this
• 25:08
  is
• 25:08
  fundamentally
• 25:09
  important.
• 25:09
  So
• 25:09
  if
• 25:09
  we
• 25:10
  try
• 25:10
  to
• 25:10
  bring
• 25:11
  either
• 25:11
  or
• 25:11
  thinking
• 25:12
  without
• 25:12
  both
• 25:13
  and
• 25:13
  thinking
• 25:13
  to
• 25:14
  address
• 25:15
  poverty,
• 25:15
  racism,
• 25:16
  sexism
• 25:16
  or
• 25:17
  war,
• 25:17
  it
• 25:17
  will
• 25:18
  not
• 25:18
  work
• 25:18
  because
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  absence
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  both
• 25:20
  and
• 25:20
  thinking
• 25:21
  is
• 25:21
  what
• 25:21
  caused
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  difficulty
• 25:23
  in
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  first
• 25:23
  place.
• 25:24
  So
• 25:24
  using
• 25:24
  either
• 25:25
  or
• 25:25
  thinking
• 25:25
  alone
• 25:26
  to
• 25:26
  address
• 25:26
  the
• 25:26
  results
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  either
• 25:27
  or
• 25:27
  thinking
• 25:28
  alone
• 25:28
  will
• 25:28
  not
• 25:29
  work.
• 25:29
  We
• 25:30
  absolutely
• 25:30
  have
• 25:31
  to
• 25:31
  supplement
• 25:31
  either
• 25:32
  or
• 25:32
  thinking
• 25:32
  with
• 25:32
  both
• 25:32
  and
• 25:33
  thinking.
• 25:33
  Absence
• 25:34
  of
• 25:34
  both
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  thinking
• 25:35
  leads
• 25:35
  to
• 25:36
  our
• 25:36
  tendency
• 25:37
  along
• 25:37
  with
• 25:37
  either
• 25:38
  or
• 25:38
  thinking.
• 25:39
  One
• 25:39
  of
• 25:39
  our
• 25:39
  tendencies
• 25:40
  is
• 25:41
  the
• 25:41
  assumption
• 25:42
  that
• 25:42
  if
• 25:42
  we
• 25:42
  have
• 25:43
  an
• 25:43
  evil
• 25:43
  result,
• 25:44
  we
• 25:45
  need
• 25:45
  to
• 25:45
  find
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  inherently
• 25:47
  evil
• 25:47
  source.
• 25:48
  This
• 25:48
  is
• 25:48
  the
• 25:48
  foundation
• 25:49
  of
• 25:49
  all
• 25:49
  James
• 25:49
  Bond
• 25:50
  movies
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  all
• 25:50
  crime
• 25:51
  movies,
• 25:51
  et
• 25:51
  cetera.
• 25:52
  You
• 25:52
  know,
• 25:52
  it's
• 25:52
  like
• 25:52
  if
• 25:53
  there's
• 25:53
  some
• 25:53
  evil
• 25:54
  that's
• 25:54
  being
• 25:54
  perpetrated,
• 25:55
  then
• 25:55
  we
• 25:55
  say,
• 25:56
  well,
• 25:56
  okay,
• 25:56
  we
• 25:56
  need
• 25:56
  to
• 25:57
  get
• 25:57
  at
• 25:57
  the
• 25:57
  root
• 25:58
  cause
• 25:58
  here,
• 25:58
  find
• 25:58
  who
• 25:59
  it
• 25:59
  is.
• 25:59
  So
• 25:59
  at
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  opening
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  a
• 26:00
  James
• 26:00
  Bond
• 26:00
  movie,
• 26:01
  you
• 26:01
  have
• 26:01
  some
• 26:02
  evil
• 26:02
  that's
• 26:02
  happening,
• 26:03
  and
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  need
• 26:04
  to
• 26:04
  somehow
• 26:04
  track
• 26:05
  down
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  evil
• 26:05
  source
• 26:06
  and
• 26:06
  destroy
• 26:07
  or
• 26:07
  whatever
• 26:08
  this
• 26:08
  evil
• 26:08
  source.
• 26:09
  And
• 26:09
  everybody
• 26:09
  cheers
• 26:10
  when
• 26:10
  this
• 26:10
  villain
• 26:11
  has
• 26:11
  been
• 26:12
  destroyed.
• 26:13
  But
• 26:14
  this
• 26:14
  notion
• 26:15
  that
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  root
• 26:17
  cause
• 26:17
  of
• 26:17
  evil
• 26:18
  is
• 26:18
  an
• 26:18
  inherently
• 26:19
  evil
• 26:19
  source
• 26:20
  is
• 26:20
  something
• 26:20
  that
• 26:21
  I'm
• 26:21
  suggesting
• 26:22
  is
• 26:23
  actually
• 26:23
  a
• 26:23
  false
• 26:24
  assumption
• 26:25
  and
• 26:25
  a
• 26:25
  false
• 26:26
  pursuit
• 26:27
  that
• 26:27
  there
• 26:28
  is
• 26:28
  no
• 26:28
  inherently
• 26:28
  evil
• 26:29
  source.
• 26:30
  An
• 26:30
  alternative.
• 26:31
  Well,
• 26:31
  so
• 26:32
  then
• 26:32
  what
• 26:32
  is
• 26:32
  the
• 26:32
  source
• 26:32
  of
• 26:33
  evil?
• 26:33
  And
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  source
• 26:34
  of
• 26:34
  evil
• 26:35
  results
• 26:35
  is
• 26:36
  is
• 26:37
  pursuing
• 26:38
  either
• 26:38
  or
• 26:38
  thinking
• 26:39
  to
• 26:40
  the
• 26:40
  neglect
• 26:40
  of
• 26:40
  both
• 26:40
  and
• 26:41
  thinking.
• 26:41
  So
• 26:42
  it's
• 26:42
  evil
• 26:43
  comes
• 26:43
  in
• 26:43
  pairs
• 26:43
  and
• 26:43
  so
• 26:44
  does
• 26:44
  good.
• 26:44
  So
• 26:44
  let
• 26:45
  me
• 26:45
  share
• 26:45
  how
• 26:45
  this
• 26:45
  happens
• 26:47
  in
• 26:47
  all
• 26:47
  nations,
• 26:48
  large
• 26:48
  or
• 26:49
  small,
• 26:49
  all
• 26:49
  groups,
• 26:50
  there's
• 26:50
  some
• 26:50
  form.
• 26:51
  I'm
• 26:51
  focusing
• 26:51
  on
• 26:51
  justice
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  mercy.
• 26:52
  Now,
• 26:52
  this
• 26:53
  polarity,
• 26:54
  there's
• 26:54
  some
• 26:55
  set
• 26:55
  of
• 26:55
  rules.
• 26:55
  They're
• 26:55
  either
• 26:56
  written
• 26:56
  like
• 26:56
  the
• 26:57
  Ten
• 26:57
  Commandments
• 26:57
  or
• 26:58
  they're
• 26:58
  in
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  culture.
• 26:59
  You
• 27:00
  understand,
• 27:00
  these
• 27:00
  are
• 27:00
  things
• 27:01
  you
• 27:01
  don't
• 27:01
  do.
• 27:02
  And
• 27:02
  that's
• 27:02
  to
• 27:02
  guide
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  culture
• 27:03
  in
• 27:04
  order
• 27:04
  to
• 27:04
  help
• 27:04
  people
• 27:05
  survive.
• 27:05
  So
• 27:05
  we
• 27:05
  have
• 27:06
  these
• 27:06
  rules
• 27:06
  or
• 27:06
  guidelines
• 27:07
  for
• 27:07
  how
• 27:07
  we
• 27:07
  should
• 27:08
  survive.
• 27:09
  So
• 27:09
  that's
• 27:09
  on
• 27:09
  the
• 27:09
  justice
• 27:10
  side
• 27:10
  or
• 27:10
  the
• 27:10
  law
• 27:11
  side.
• 27:12
  And
• 27:12
  what
• 27:13
  happens
• 27:13
  in
• 27:13
  a
• 27:14
  very
• 27:14
  linear
• 27:14
  process
• 27:15
  is
• 27:16
  that
• 27:16
  if
• 27:16
  some
• 27:16
  laws
• 27:17
  are
• 27:17
  good,
• 27:18
  the
• 27:18
  linear
• 27:19
  assumption
• 27:20
  would
• 27:20
  be
• 27:20
  that
• 27:21
  more
• 27:21
  laws
• 27:21
  would
• 27:21
  be
• 27:22
  better.
• 27:23
  So
• 27:23
  you
• 27:23
  can
• 27:23
  see
• 27:23
  where
• 27:23
  this
• 27:24
  is
• 27:24
  headed.
• 27:24
  Draws
• 27:24
  lots
• 27:24
  and
• 27:25
  lots
• 27:25
  of
• 27:25
  laws.
• 27:26
  The
• 27:26
  other
• 27:26
  Truth
• 27:26
  about
• 27:27
  justice
• 27:28
  poll
• 27:28
  is
• 27:28
  if
• 27:28
  you
• 27:28
  have
• 27:29
  laws,
• 27:30
  you
• 27:30
  need
• 27:30
  to
• 27:30
  have
• 27:31
  some
• 27:31
  sort
• 27:31
  of
• 27:32
  consequences
• 27:32
  if
• 27:32
  you
• 27:32
  break
• 27:33
  the
• 27:33
  laws,
• 27:33
  right?
• 27:34
  If.
• 27:34
  If
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  don't
• 27:35
  have
• 27:35
  consequences,
• 27:35
  then
• 27:35
  the
• 27:36
  laws
• 27:36
  are
• 27:36
  meaningless.
• 27:37
  Now,
• 27:37
  if
• 27:38
  some
• 27:38
  consequences
• 27:39
  are
• 27:40
  effective,
• 27:41
  harsher
• 27:42
  consequences
• 27:42
  are
• 27:43
  probably
• 27:43
  better.
• 27:45
  So
• 27:45
  think
• 27:45
  about
• 27:45
  where
• 27:46
  this
• 27:46
  is
• 27:46
  headed.
• 27:47
  You're
• 27:47
  pursuing
• 27:47
  justice
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  the
• 27:49
  neglect
• 27:49
  of
• 27:49
  its
• 27:49
  interdependent
• 27:50
  pole,
• 27:50
  which
• 27:51
  is
• 27:51
  mercy
• 27:51
  and
• 27:52
  forgiveness.
• 27:53
  So
• 27:53
  let's
• 27:53
  just
• 27:53
  pursue
• 27:54
  the
• 27:54
  justice
• 27:54
  poll
• 27:55
  for
• 27:55
  a
• 27:55
  second.
• 27:56
  I
• 27:56
  have
• 27:56
  more
• 27:57
  and
• 27:57
  more
• 27:57
  laws
• 27:58
  and
• 27:58
  harsher
• 27:59
  and
• 27:59
  harsher
• 28:00
  consequences.
• 28:01
  What
• 28:01
  does
• 28:01
  this
• 28:01
  look
• 28:01
  like?
• 28:02
  It
• 28:02
  looks
• 28:03
  like
• 28:03
  if
• 28:03
  you're
• 28:03
  getting
• 28:04
  to
• 28:04
  the
• 28:04
  downside
• 28:04
  of
• 28:05
  this,
• 28:05
  without
• 28:05
  mercy,
• 28:06
  it
• 28:06
  looks
• 28:07
  like
• 28:07
  stoning
• 28:07
  a
• 28:08
  woman
• 28:08
  to
• 28:08
  death
• 28:09
  for
• 28:09
  being
• 28:09
  pregnant
• 28:10
  out
• 28:10
  of
• 28:10
  wedlock.
• 28:11
  Now,
• 28:12
  how
• 28:12
  did
• 28:13
  we
• 28:13
  get
• 28:13
  there?
• 28:15
  How
• 28:15
  did
• 28:16
  in
• 28:16
  the
• 28:16
  name
• 28:16
  of
• 28:17
  justice,
• 28:18
  how
• 28:18
  did
• 28:19
  we
• 28:19
  get
• 28:19
  to
• 28:20
  stoning
• 28:20
  a
• 28:21
  woman
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  death?
• 28:21
  And
• 28:21
  we
• 28:22
  do
• 28:22
  it
• 28:22
  self
• 28:22
  righteously.
• 28:24
  How
• 28:24
  did
• 28:24
  we
• 28:24
  get
• 28:24
  there?
• 28:25
  We
• 28:25
  pursued
• 28:26
  justice,
• 28:27
  laws
• 28:28
  and
• 28:28
  necessary
• 28:29
  consequences
• 28:30
  to
• 28:30
  the
• 28:30
  neglect
• 28:31
  of
• 28:31
  mercy.
• 28:31
  This
• 28:31
  is
• 28:32
  why
• 28:32
  Desmond
• 28:32
  Tutu's
• 28:33
  book
• 28:33
  no
• 28:33
  Future
• 28:33
  Without
• 28:33
  Forgiveness,
• 28:34
  he's
• 28:35
  emphasizing
• 28:35
  this
• 28:36
  other
• 28:36
  poll
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  whole
• 28:37
  reconciliation
• 28:38
  movement
• 28:39
  after
• 28:39
  apartheid
• 28:40
  in
• 28:40
  South
• 28:40
  Africa
• 28:41
  was
• 28:41
  about
• 28:42
  paying
• 28:42
  attention
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  the
• 28:43
  mercy
• 28:44
  pole.
• 28:45
  And
• 28:45
  so
• 28:45
  we
• 28:46
  need
• 28:46
  to
• 28:46
  pay
• 28:46
  attention
• 28:47
  to
• 28:47
  that
• 28:47
  mercy
• 28:48
  pole
• 28:48
  pole,
• 28:49
  which
• 28:49
  is
• 28:50
  the
• 28:50
  understanding
• 28:51
  of
• 28:51
  forgiveness.
• 28:53
  And
• 28:53
  without
• 28:53
  that,
• 28:54
  we
• 28:54
  just
• 28:55
  become
• 28:55
  extremely
• 28:56
  self
• 28:56
  righteously
• 28:57
  cruel
• 28:57
  to
• 28:57
  each
• 28:58
  other.
• 28:59
  That's
• 29:00
  an
• 29:00
  example
• 29:00
  of
• 29:00
  how
• 29:01
  that
• 29:01
  works.
• 29:02
  So
• 29:03
  if
• 29:03
  you
• 29:03
  could
• 29:03
  look
• 29:03
  at
• 29:04
  the
• 29:04
  two
• 29:04
  upsides,
• 29:04
  our
• 29:05
  two
• 29:05
  eyebrows,
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  two
• 29:06
  upsides
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  any
• 29:07
  polarity
• 29:07
  as
• 29:07
  good
• 29:08
  things.
• 29:08
  They're
• 29:09
  two
• 29:09
  good
• 29:10
  things,
• 29:10
  absolutely
• 29:11
  essential,
• 29:11
  and
• 29:11
  they
• 29:12
  need
• 29:12
  each
• 29:12
  other.
• 29:13
  And
• 29:13
  if
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  pursue
• 29:14
  one
• 29:14
  good
• 29:14
  thing
• 29:15
  to
• 29:15
  the
• 29:15
  neglect
• 29:15
  of
• 29:16
  its
• 29:16
  good
• 29:16
  partner,
• 29:16
  it
• 29:17
  becomes
• 29:17
  evil.
• 29:18
  So
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  source
• 29:19
  of
• 29:19
  evil
• 29:20
  is
• 29:20
  not
• 29:21
  something
• 29:21
  that's
• 29:21
  inherently
• 29:22
  evil.
• 29:22
  It's
• 29:22
  actually
• 29:23
  one
• 29:23
  good
• 29:23
  pursued
• 29:24
  without
• 29:24
  its
• 29:24
  partner.
• 29:25
  So
• 29:26
  what
• 29:26
  can
• 29:26
  you
• 29:26
  do
• 29:26
  to
• 29:26
  respond
• 29:27
  to
• 29:27
  that?
• 29:27
  You
• 29:28
  can
• 29:28
  pursue
• 29:28
  both
• 29:28
  goods.
• 29:30
  You
• 29:31
  pursue
• 29:31
  justice
• 29:31
  with
• 29:32
  mercy.
• 29:34
  That
• 29:34
  is
• 29:34
  the
• 29:34
  way
• 29:35
  to
• 29:35
  undo
• 29:36
  the
• 29:36
  over
• 29:36
  focus
• 29:36
  on
• 29:37
  one
• 29:37
  pole
• 29:37
  or
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  other
• 29:38
  is
• 29:38
  to
• 29:39
  pursue
• 29:39
  both
• 29:39
  poles.
• 29:41
  Barry,
• 29:41
  could
• 29:41
  you.
• 29:43
  I'm
• 29:43
  laughing
• 29:43
  at
• 29:44
  myself
• 29:44
  here,
• 29:44
  at
• 29:44
  the
• 29:45
  thought
• 29:45
  of
• 29:45
  one
• 29:45
  upping
• 29:46
  you
• 29:46
  using
• 29:46
  your
• 29:46
  own
• 29:47
  polarity
• 29:47
  management.
• 29:48
  Could
• 29:48
  it
• 29:48
  be
• 29:48
  true
• 29:49
  that
• 29:49
  you
• 29:49
  do
• 29:49
  a
• 29:49
  both
• 29:50
  and
• 29:50
  that
• 29:50
  there
• 29:51
  can
• 29:51
  be
• 29:51
  really
• 29:51
  malevolent
• 29:52
  people
• 29:52
  who
• 29:53
  we
• 29:53
  could
• 29:53
  quote,
• 29:53
  call
• 29:54
  evil
• 29:55
  and
• 29:56
  there
• 29:56
  can
• 29:56
  be
• 29:57
  a
• 29:58
  destructive
• 29:59
  evil
• 29:59
  things
• 30:00
  that
• 30:00
  happen
• 30:00
  as
• 30:00
  a
• 30:00
  result
• 30:01
  of
• 30:01
  focusing
• 30:02
  on
• 30:02
  one
• 30:03
  pole
• 30:03
  exclusively.
• 30:04
  I
• 30:05
  want
• 30:05
  to
• 30:05
  make
• 30:05
  sure
• 30:05
  I'm
• 30:05
  understanding
• 30:06
  the
• 30:06
  question,
• 30:06
  Roger.
• 30:07
  Well,
• 30:08
  you're
• 30:08
  saying
• 30:08
  that
• 30:09
  you
• 30:09
  made
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  pretty
• 30:10
  powerful
• 30:11
  statement
• 30:12
  that
• 30:12
  all
• 30:12
  evil
• 30:13
  can
• 30:13
  be
• 30:13
  traced
• 30:13
  to
• 30:13
  either
• 30:14
  or
• 30:14
  thinking.
• 30:15
  And
• 30:15
  I'm
• 30:16
  wondering
• 30:16
  if.
• 30:16
  Let
• 30:16
  me
• 30:17
  just
• 30:17
  back
• 30:17
  that
• 30:17
  up
• 30:17
  a
• 30:18
  second.
• 30:18
  Okay,
• 30:19
  thanks.
• 30:20
  Because
• 30:20
  this
• 30:20
  is
• 30:20
  important
• 30:20
  clarification
• 30:21
  that
• 30:21
  you're
• 30:21
  raising.
• 30:22
  It's
• 30:22
  a
• 30:22
  helpful
• 30:23
  point.
• 30:24
  It's
• 30:24
  either
• 30:24
  or
• 30:25
  thinking
• 30:25
  to
• 30:25
  the
• 30:25
  neglect
• 30:26
  of
• 30:27
  both
• 30:27
  and
• 30:27
  thinking.
• 30:29
  Okay,
• 30:29
  that's
• 30:30
  different.
• 30:31
  Either
• 30:31
  or
• 30:31
  thinking
• 30:31
  is
• 30:32
  not
• 30:32
  too
• 30:32
  much
• 30:32
  either
• 30:33
  or
• 30:33
  thinking.
• 30:33
  You
• 30:33
  can't
• 30:34
  get
• 30:34
  too
• 30:34
  much
• 30:34
  either
• 30:35
  or
• 30:35
  thinking.
• 30:36
  You
• 30:36
  can
• 30:36
  only
• 30:36
  get
• 30:37
  either
• 30:37
  or
• 30:37
  thinking
• 30:38
  dysfunctionally
• 30:38
  when
• 30:39
  it
• 30:39
  is
• 30:39
  pursued
• 30:40
  to
• 30:40
  the
• 30:40
  neglect
• 30:40
  of
• 30:41
  both
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  thinking.
• 30:42
  Now
• 30:42
  you
• 30:42
  can
• 30:42
  have
• 30:43
  both
• 30:43
  and
• 30:43
  thinking
• 30:44
  without
• 30:44
  enough
• 30:44
  either
• 30:45
  or
• 30:45
  thinking
• 30:45
  and
• 30:45
  also
• 30:46
  get
• 30:46
  yourself
• 30:46
  into
• 30:47
  trouble
• 30:47
  because
• 30:48
  again,
• 30:48
  it's
• 30:48
  a
• 30:48
  polarity.
• 30:49
  So
• 30:49
  if
• 30:49
  it's
• 30:50
  a
• 30:50
  polarity,
• 30:51
  both
• 30:51
  will
• 30:51
  bring
• 30:52
  a
• 30:52
  positive
• 30:52
  upside
• 30:53
  and
• 30:53
  both
• 30:54
  will
• 30:54
  have
• 30:54
  their
• 30:54
  own
• 30:54
  downside.
• 30:55
  And
• 30:56
  so
• 30:56
  there's
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  tyranny
• 30:57
  of
• 30:57
  both
• 30:57
  and
• 30:57
  thinking.
• 30:58
  And
• 30:58
  there's
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  tyranny
• 30:59
  of
• 30:59
  either
• 30:59
  or
• 30:59
  thinking.
• 31:00
  Yeah,
• 31:00
  the
• 31:00
  tyranny
• 31:01
  of
• 31:01
  both
• 31:01
  and
• 31:01
  thinking
• 31:02
  is
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  loss
• 31:03
  of
• 31:03
  all
• 31:04
  the
• 31:04
  benefits
• 31:04
  of
• 31:05
  either
• 31:05
  or
• 31:05
  thinking.
• 31:06
  Without
• 31:07
  either
• 31:07
  or
• 31:07
  thinking,
• 31:08
  we
• 31:08
  do
• 31:08
  not
• 31:08
  have
• 31:08
  language.
• 31:09
  We
• 31:09
  do
• 31:09
  not
• 31:09
  have
• 31:09
  science,
• 31:10
  we
• 31:10
  do
• 31:10
  not
• 31:10
  have
• 31:10
  moral
• 31:11
  principles.
• 31:12
  We
• 31:12
  do
• 31:12
  not
• 31:12
  have
• 31:13
  culture.
• 31:14
  I
• 31:14
  mean,
• 31:14
  it's
• 31:14
  absolutely
• 31:15
  essential.
• 31:16
  And
• 31:17
  so
• 31:17
  it
• 31:17
  is
• 31:17
  a
• 31:18
  huge
• 31:18
  gift
• 31:18
  that's
• 31:19
  essential.
• 31:20
  Without
• 31:21
  its
• 31:21
  partner,
• 31:22
  both
• 31:23
  and
• 31:23
  thinking,
• 31:24
  it
• 31:24
  becomes
• 31:25
  dysfunctional.
• 31:26
  We
• 31:26
  don't
• 31:26
  have
• 31:26
  to
• 31:27
  look
• 31:27
  for
• 31:27
  some
• 31:27
  evil
• 31:27
  person.
• 31:28
  Oh,
• 31:28
  it's
• 31:28
  this
• 31:29
  evil
• 31:29
  group.
• 31:30
  It's
• 31:30
  their
• 31:30
  fault.
• 31:31
  No,
• 31:31
  no,
• 31:31
  it's
• 31:32
  not
• 31:32
  something
• 31:32
  inherently
• 31:33
  evil
• 31:33
  about
• 31:33
  any
• 31:33
  of
• 31:34
  us.
• 31:34
  It's
• 31:34
  about
• 31:35
  our
• 31:35
  universal
• 31:36
  interdependence.
• 31:37
  And
• 31:37
  when
• 31:37
  we
• 31:37
  act
• 31:38
  as
• 31:38
  if
• 31:38
  we
• 31:39
  weren't
• 31:39
  universally
• 31:40
  interdependent,
• 31:41
  we
• 31:41
  become
• 31:41
  dysfunctional.
• 31:42
  No
• 31:42
  problem
• 31:43
  with
• 31:43
  that.
• 31:43
  I
• 31:43
  can
• 31:43
  agree
• 31:43
  with
• 31:44
  all
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  that.
• 31:44
  And
• 31:45
  my
• 31:45
  question
• 31:46
  is,
• 31:46
  can
• 31:46
  it
• 31:47
  be
• 31:47
  both
• 31:48
  a
• 31:48
  dysfunctional
• 31:50
  overemphasis
• 31:50
  on
• 31:51
  either
• 31:51
  or
• 31:51
  thinking
• 31:52
  and
• 31:53
  malevolent
• 31:53
  actors?
• 31:55
  Yes,
• 31:56
  as
• 31:56
  a
• 31:57
  matter
• 31:57
  of
• 31:57
  fact,
• 31:57
  if
• 31:57
  you
• 31:57
  over
• 31:57
  focus
• 31:58
  on
• 31:58
  either
• 31:58
  of
• 31:59
  them,
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  end
• 32:00
  up
• 32:00
  getting
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  downside
• 32:01
  of
• 32:01
  both.
• 32:02
  Okay.
• 32:03
  And
• 32:03
  maybe
• 32:04
  the
• 32:04
  malevolent
• 32:05
  actors
• 32:05
  piece
• 32:06
  brings
• 32:06
  the
• 32:07
  maturity
• 32:08
  element.
• 32:11
  Yeah.
• 32:11
  And
• 32:11
  I
• 32:11
  wanted
• 32:12
  to
• 32:12
  want
• 32:12
  to
• 32:13
  ask
• 32:13
  you
• 32:13
  about
• 32:13
  that
• 32:14
  pina
• 32:14
  because,
• 32:14
  Barry,
• 32:15
  you're
• 32:16
  giving
• 32:16
  a
• 32:16
  very
• 32:16
  powerful
• 32:18
  argument
• 32:18
  for
• 32:18
  the
• 32:19
  importance
• 32:19
  of
• 32:19
  both
• 32:20
  ways
• 32:21
  of
• 32:21
  thinking.
• 32:22
  Yet
• 32:22
  the
• 32:22
  reality
• 32:23
  is
• 32:23
  we
• 32:24
  seem
• 32:24
  primed
• 32:25
  to
• 32:26
  emphasize
• 32:26
  the
• 32:27
  either
• 32:27
  or
• 32:27
  thinking.
• 32:28
  And
• 32:29
  if
• 32:29
  I
• 32:29
  understand
• 32:30
  your
• 32:31
  work
• 32:31
  correctly,
• 32:32
  Beena,
• 32:32
  you
• 32:33
  suggest
• 32:33
  that
• 32:34
  both
• 32:35
  and
• 32:35
  thinking
• 32:36
  requires
• 32:36
  a
• 32:36
  certain
• 32:37
  maturity
• 32:38
  process.
• 32:39
  Am
• 32:39
  I
• 32:39
  right
• 32:39
  there?
• 32:40
  That
• 32:40
  is
• 32:40
  true.
• 32:41
  We
• 32:41
  might
• 32:41
  say
• 32:41
  that
• 32:42
  to
• 32:42
  do
• 32:43
  only
• 32:43
  either
• 32:44
  or
• 32:44
  thinking,
• 32:44
  to
• 32:45
  do
• 32:45
  black
• 32:45
  and
• 32:45
  white
• 32:45
  thinking,
• 32:46
  to
• 32:46
  do
• 32:46
  mechanical
• 32:47
  thinking,
• 32:47
  is
• 32:48
  a
• 32:48
  function
• 32:48
  of
• 32:49
  less
• 32:49
  maturity
• 32:50
  or
• 32:50
  immaturity.
• 32:51
  And
• 32:52
  as
• 32:52
  we
• 32:52
  grow,
• 32:53
  as
• 32:54
  life
• 32:54
  teaches
• 32:55
  us
• 32:56
  about
• 32:56
  what
• 32:57
  is
• 32:57
  true,
• 32:58
  what's
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  better
• 32:58
  way
• 32:58
  of
• 32:59
  living,
• 32:59
  or
• 32:59
  as
• 33:00
  we
• 33:00
  realize
• 33:01
  that
• 33:01
  the
• 33:01
  world
• 33:02
  is
• 33:02
  not
• 33:02
  we,
• 33:02
  what
• 33:02
  we
• 33:03
  make
• 33:03
  it
• 33:03
  out
• 33:03
  to
• 33:03
  be,
• 33:03
  and
• 33:04
  we
• 33:04
  come
• 33:04
  into,
• 33:05
  we
• 33:05
  are
• 33:05
  disconfirmed
• 33:06
  in
• 33:06
  our
• 33:06
  beliefs
• 33:07
  about
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  world,
• 33:07
  then
• 33:08
  we
• 33:08
  begin
• 33:08
  to
• 33:09
  embrace
• 33:09
  the
• 33:10
  things
• 33:10
  that
• 33:10
  we
• 33:10
  leave
• 33:11
  out.
• 33:12
  So
• 33:12
  at
• 33:12
  early
• 33:12
  stages,
• 33:13
  there
• 33:13
  is,
• 33:14
  you
• 33:14
  know,
• 33:14
  in
• 33:15
  our
• 33:15
  work,
• 33:15
  we
• 33:15
  do
• 33:15
  an
• 33:16
  instrument
• 33:16
  that
• 33:17
  measures
• 33:17
  using
• 33:18
  language,
• 33:19
  how
• 33:20
  people
• 33:20
  see
• 33:21
  the
• 33:21
  world,
• 33:21
  how
• 33:21
  they
• 33:21
  make
• 33:22
  sense
• 33:22
  of
• 33:22
  themselves,
• 33:22
  how
• 33:23
  they
• 33:23
  make
• 33:23
  sense
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  others.
• 33:24
  And
• 33:24
  at
• 33:25
  early
• 33:25
  stages,
• 33:25
  we
• 33:25
  see
• 33:26
  a
• 33:26
  much
• 33:27
  narrower
• 33:28
  perspective
• 33:28
  taking
• 33:28
  the
• 33:29
  world
• 33:29
  is
• 33:29
  smaller.
• 33:30
  It's
• 33:30
  all
• 33:30
  about
• 33:30
  me.
• 33:31
  There
• 33:31
  is
• 33:31
  no
• 33:32
  capacity
• 33:32
  really
• 33:33
  to
• 33:33
  include
• 33:33
  the
• 33:33
  other
• 33:34
  person
• 33:34
  because
• 33:34
  of
• 33:35
  a
• 33:35
  function
• 33:36
  of
• 33:36
  my
• 33:36
  worldview.
• 33:37
  And
• 33:37
  it
• 33:38
  could
• 33:38
  be
• 33:38
  that
• 33:38
  I'm
• 33:39
  in
• 33:39
  a
• 33:39
  survival
• 33:39
  mode.
• 33:40
  There
• 33:40
  could
• 33:40
  be
• 33:40
  many
• 33:40
  reasons.
• 33:41
  It
• 33:41
  could
• 33:41
  be
• 33:42
  because
• 33:42
  of
• 33:43
  childhood
• 33:43
  difficulties,
• 33:45
  or
• 33:45
  it
• 33:45
  could
• 33:45
  be
• 33:45
  because
• 33:46
  of
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  conditions
• 33:48
  that
• 33:48
  are
• 33:48
  prevalent
• 33:49
  that
• 33:49
  call
• 33:50
  out
• 33:50
  the
• 33:50
  small
• 33:51
  side
• 33:51
  of
• 33:51
  me.
• 33:52
  But
• 33:52
  at
• 33:52
  the
• 33:53
  first
• 33:53
  stage
• 33:53
  of
• 33:53
  development,
• 33:54
  we
• 33:54
  really
• 33:55
  are
• 33:55
  so
• 33:55
  overly
• 33:56
  concerned
• 33:56
  about
• 33:56
  ourselves
• 33:57
  that
• 33:57
  we
• 33:57
  don't
• 33:58
  have
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  bandwidth
• 33:59
  or
• 33:59
  the
• 33:59
  capacity
• 34:00
  to
• 34:00
  even
• 34:00
  consider
• 34:01
  another
• 34:02
  person.
• 34:03
  So
• 34:03
  it's
• 34:03
  also
• 34:04
  called
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  self
• 34:04
  centric
• 34:05
  stage.
• 34:06
  But
• 34:06
  then
• 34:06
  as
• 34:06
  we
• 34:07
  develop
• 34:07
  and
• 34:07
  we
• 34:07
  get
• 34:08
  socialized
• 34:08
  and
• 34:08
  we
• 34:09
  realize
• 34:09
  that,
• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  know,
• 34:10
  we
• 34:10
  are
• 34:10
  living
• 34:11
  in
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  society,
• 34:11
  we
• 34:12
  need
• 34:12
  to
• 34:12
  follow
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  rules,
• 34:13
  we
• 34:13
  need
• 34:13
  to
• 34:14
  take
• 34:14
  care
• 34:14
  of
• 34:14
  other
• 34:15
  people,
• 34:15
  then
• 34:15
  we
• 34:15
  step
• 34:16
  into
• 34:16
  the
• 34:17
  next
• 34:17
  stage
• 34:17
  of
• 34:17
  development.
• 34:18
  There
• 34:19
  are
• 34:19
  these
• 34:19
  eight
• 34:19
  stages
• 34:20
  of
• 34:20
  development
• 34:20
  that
• 34:20
  we've
• 34:21
  gone
• 34:21
  through
• 34:21
  in
• 34:22
  an
• 34:22
  earlier
• 34:22
  conversation
• 34:23
  with
• 34:23
  you.
• 34:24
  So
• 34:25
  one
• 34:25
  of
• 34:25
  the
• 34:25
  interesting
• 34:26
  things
• 34:26
  I
• 34:26
  find
• 34:27
  is
• 34:27
  to
• 34:27
  look
• 34:28
  at
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  polarities
• 34:29
  or
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  poll
• 34:30
  preferences,
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  should
• 34:31
  say,
• 34:32
  that
• 34:32
  show
• 34:32
  up
• 34:32
  at
• 34:33
  each
• 34:33
  stage.
• 34:33
  In
• 34:34
  some
• 34:34
  ways
• 34:34
  you
• 34:34
  can
• 34:34
  say
• 34:35
  that
• 34:35
  stages
• 34:35
  can
• 34:36
  be
• 34:36
  defined
• 34:36
  by
• 34:37
  a
• 34:37
  series
• 34:37
  of
• 34:38
  pole
• 34:38
  preferences.
• 34:39
  You
• 34:40
  know,
• 34:40
  you,
• 34:40
  I
• 34:40
  pay
• 34:41
  attention
• 34:41
  to
• 34:42
  one
• 34:42
  pole
• 34:42
  only
• 34:43
  of
• 34:43
  another,
• 34:43
  one
• 34:44
  pole
• 34:44
  of
• 34:44
  another,
• 34:44
  one
• 34:45
  pole
• 34:45
  of
• 34:45
  another,
• 34:45
  and
• 34:45
  they
• 34:45
  all
• 34:46
  stack
• 34:46
  up
• 34:46
  and
• 34:46
  then
• 34:47
  very
• 34:47
  quickly.
• 34:48
  That
• 34:49
  is
• 34:49
  sort
• 34:49
  of
• 34:49
  the
• 34:49
  blueprint
• 34:50
  of
• 34:50
  a
• 34:50
  much
• 34:51
  narrower
• 34:52
  way
• 34:52
  of
• 34:52
  seeing
• 34:54
  dive.
• 34:54
  Deeper
• 34:55
  with
• 34:55
  us
• 34:55
  in
• 34:55
  part
• 34:56
  two
• 34:56
  of
• 34:56
  our
• 34:56
  exploration
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
  polarity
• 34:58
  management
• 34:58
  and
• 34:59
  its
• 34:59
  implications
• 34:59
  and
• 35:00
  applications
• 35:00
  for
• 35:01
  surviving
• 35:01
  and
• 35:01
  thriving
• 35:02
  in
• 35:02
  relationships,
• 35:03
  organizations
• 35:04
  and
• 35:05
  life.
• 35:06
  Thank
• 35:06
  you
• 35:06
  very
• 35:06
  much
• 35:06
  for
• 35:07
  being
• 35:07
  a
• 35:07
  part
• 35:07
  of
• 35:08
  this
• 35:08
  conversation.
• 35:09
  We
• 35:09
  hope
• 35:09
  that
• 35:09
  you
• 35:09
  were
• 35:10
  moved
• 35:10
  as
• 35:10
  we
• 35:11
  are
• 35:11
  moved
• 35:11
  being
• 35:11
  part
• 35:12
  of
• 35:12
  it
• 35:12
  ourselves.
• 35:13
  We'd
• 35:13
  also
• 35:13
  like
• 35:14
  to
• 35:14
  say
• 35:14
  that
• 35:14
  this
• 35:14
  is
• 35:15
  being
• 35:15
  funded
• 35:16
  by
• 35:16
  Roger
• 35:16
  and
• 35:16
  myself.
• 35:17
  It
• 35:17
  comes
• 35:17
  out
• 35:17
  of
• 35:17
  our
• 35:17
  pockets.
• 35:18
  So
• 35:18
  if
• 35:18
  you
• 35:18
  would
• 35:18
  like
• 35:19
  to
• 35:19
  help
• 35:19
  us
• 35:19
  to
• 35:20
  mainly
• 35:21
  to
• 35:21
  get
• 35:21
  this
• 35:21
  podcast
• 35:22
  out
• 35:22
  to
• 35:22
  more
• 35:22
  people
• 35:22
  because
• 35:23
  the
• 35:23
  bigger
• 35:23
  audience
• 35:24
  have
• 35:24
  which
• 35:24
  is
• 35:24
  steadily
• 35:24
  growing,
• 35:25
  but
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  more
• 35:25
  people
• 35:26
  we
• 35:26
  can
• 35:26
  reach
• 35:26
  and
• 35:26
  the
• 35:27
  more
• 35:27
  marketing
• 35:27
  we
• 35:27
  can
• 35:28
  do,
• 35:28
  the
• 35:28
  more
• 35:28
  positive
• 35:29
  effect
• 35:29
  we
• 35:29
  can
• 35:30
  have
• 35:30
  on
• 35:30
  the
• 35:30
  world.
• 35:30
  So
• 35:31
  we
• 35:31
  done
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  a
• 35:31
  couple
• 35:32
  of
• 35:32
  ways.
• 35:32
  But
• 35:32
  we'd
• 35:32
  like
• 35:32
  you
• 35:33
  to
• 35:33
  buy
• 35:33
  us
• 35:33
  a
• 35:33
  cup
• 35:33
  of
• 35:34
  coffee.
• 35:34
  Very
• 35:34
  simple.
• 35:35
  And
• 35:35
  I
• 35:35
  do
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  with
• 35:36
  podcasts
• 35:36
  that
• 35:37
  I
• 35:37
  support
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  I
• 35:38
  find
• 35:38
  it
• 35:39
  very
• 35:39
  satisfying.
• 35:40
  So
• 35:40
  thank
• 35:40
  you
• 35:40
  for
• 35:41
  your
• 35:41
  help.
• 35:41
  Thank
• 35:41
  you
• 35:41
  for
• 35:42
  your
• 35:42
  presence
• 35:42
  and
• 35:42
  thank
• 35:43
  you
• 35:43
  for
• 35:43
  all
• 35:43
  you
• 35:43
  are
• 35:44
  and
• 35:44
  all
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  do.
• 35:45
  We
• 35:45
  love
• 35:45
  you.
• 35:57
  Sa.