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10/23/26: Midterms Bloodbath w/ Richard Ojeda, TX Voters Overwhelm Polls With Huge Turnout, AI Doomsday Hacks · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: Good morning, everyone. It's Friday, October 23rd. Here with a
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  Speaker 1: I believe you do.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I am in my proper era, I will tell you that.
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  Speaker 3: We have cash under the mattresses, and we're ready to
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  Speaker 3: do another Friday show here. We've got a lot of
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  Speaker 3: midterm stuff to cover. We have Richard Ojeda running for
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  Speaker 3: Congress in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 5: Ojeda. It's Ojeda. Damn it.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of interesting because he has, it's his grandmother
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  Speaker 4: that's Mexican.
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  Speaker 5: Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it was originally Ojeda. He certainly will not be
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  Speaker 2: upset being called that, but they pronounce it Ojeda in
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  Speaker 2: a very West Virginia-like fashion.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing a hard J this morning. Said with love.
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  Speaker 2: As a daughter of a West Virginia dad. So there
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 1: And as a prepper.
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  Speaker 3: Are going to be looking down at Texas. We've got
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  Speaker 3: Theo from Twitter, x.com, who's doing a lot of incredible data,
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  Speaker 3: specifically on the Texas race. And as Crystal alluded to,
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  Speaker 3: if you're still listening to this, that means the internet
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  Speaker 3: is still on for now, but there are a lot
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  Speaker 3: of alarm bells being sound in terms of AI exposing
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  Speaker 3: the majority of the internet, bank accounts, and a whole
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  Speaker 3: bunch of other great stuff creates the infrastructure of society
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  Speaker 3: is now exposed to AI hackers. We'll be looking at
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  Speaker 3: a lot more of that. But let's turn to a
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  Speaker 3: much more calm topic, the midterms. I've got a few
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  Speaker 3: things that we should start off with here, but I
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  Speaker 3: did just have sort of a roundup of organizations and
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  Speaker 3: their congressional control forecast. This is from Zachary Donini, who's
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  Speaker 3: going to be on the show later next week, but
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  Speaker 3: he says by Silver Bulletin has a 95% chance of
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  Speaker 3: Democrats taking the House and a 76% chance of Democrats
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  Speaker 3: taking the Senate. 50 plus one, that's 99% House, 75% Senate.
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  Speaker 3: Split Ticket is 89% House, 65% Senate. And Vote Hub
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  Speaker 3: is 88% House and 60% Senate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's easy at this point to kind
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  Speaker 2: of take for granted that Democrats have a very strong
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  Speaker 2: chance to win back the Senate. But it's worth reminding
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  Speaker 2: that going into this, everyone was looking at the landscape
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  Speaker 2: just of the map that they would have to prevail
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  Speaker 2: in and going, I don't think so. Like, y'all are
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  Speaker 2: going to win Alaska. and Ohio and Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That is the level of what it takes for Democrats
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  Speaker 2: to be able to take back the Senate. And at
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  Speaker 2: this point, every major analyst is saying that is more
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  Speaker 2: likely than not. And then so that's already a crazy scenario.
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  Speaker 2: Democrats winning Texas is already a crazy scenario. And now
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  Speaker 2: we have it seems like every day there's a new
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  Speaker 2: state that's like maybe that one's in play. Maybe Mississippi
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  Speaker 2: is in play. Maybe Kansas is in play. Maybe South
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  Speaker 2: Carolina is in play. You're looking at the early vote
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  Speaker 2: coming in, and this is part of why we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have Zachary Danini on next week, because he's one
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  Speaker 2: of the few people I trust to actually do this
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  Speaker 2: in an adequate fashion and not just cherry pick and
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  Speaker 2: look for what they want to see. But early vote
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  Speaker 2: is looking very much like the polls have been looking.
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  Speaker 2: So the notion that there is going to be this
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  Speaker 2: big polling miss, a 2016 or 2020 or 2024 style
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  Speaker 2: polling miss, that is underestimating Republicans. Well, when we talked
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  Speaker 2: to Rich Barris yesterday, who's a MAGA-friendly pollster who called
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  Speaker 2: those particular misses correctly, he says, I think it's more
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  Speaker 2: likely it goes in the other direction. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: more likely that the polls are underestimating Democrats. That's what
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  Speaker 2: he said. And again, this is someone who has called
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  Speaker 2: the other cycles where the mainstream polls were incorrect. He
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  Speaker 2: called them correctly. I want to put this up on
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  Speaker 2: the screen because, frankly, I think this might be the
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  Speaker 2: most important metric that we can look at here going
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  Speaker 2: into the elections. Look at the price of oil this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Brent crude at $ 1. 14 a barrel. This is approaching— Scroll down.
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  Speaker 4: Scroll down.
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  Speaker 2: What are you looking for? 10-year Treasury yield.
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  Speaker 4: It's not on there.
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  Speaker 2: What are you looking for? The gas price?
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  Speaker 3: Very tough, right?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Brent at the top there. I see it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Brent's at the top.
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  Speaker 5: 114.
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  Speaker 6: 114.
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  Speaker 3: They're keeping it small so you don't get scared. Good Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Approaching the peak.
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  Speaker 3: 114.
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  Speaker 2: Approaching the peak of what we saw at the height
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  Speaker 2: of the war. And this is heading into the midterms.
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  Speaker 2: And that is going to show up in gas prices
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  Speaker 2: over the coming weeks, inevitably. So, you know, gas prices
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  Speaker 2: have been holding steady somewhere around 430 a gallon. Diesel
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  Speaker 2: continues to go up. It's sky high, still continuing to
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  Speaker 2: hit records. those prices per barrel in the market that
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  Speaker 2: are being reflected are going to be reflected also at
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  Speaker 2: the gas pump. So, you know, this is another thing
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  Speaker 2: Rich said to us yesterday that really landed with me.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, forget about the polls. Like, just pretend like
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  Speaker 2: you don't see any polls. Pretend you're a historian looking
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  Speaker 2: back at this period. And you would say, deeply unpopular war,
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  Speaker 2: sky-high gas prices, president is one of the most unpopular
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  Speaker 2: in history. What do you think is going to happen
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  Speaker 2: in the midterm election? Like, it doesn't take a rocket
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  Speaker 2: scientist to figure out how this is going to go.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the question of underpolling Democrats, I'm so glad
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  Speaker 6: you guys have to go back and watch that interview.
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  Speaker 6: I'm glad you guys got to that. That is one
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  Speaker 6: of the things that I think is totally possible as well,
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  Speaker 6: and especially possible in a place like Texas. Now, it's
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  Speaker 6: also possible that there's not adequate rural polling in places
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  Speaker 6: like Texas and Maine yet, but it is also possible
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  Speaker 6: that pollsters have been overcorrecting for the Trump era in
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  Speaker 6: ways that have missing voters because Trump voters are flipping.
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  Speaker 6: And if you're trying to overcorrect and overweight for people
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  Speaker 6: who are with Trump, who have moved since, it completely
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  Speaker 6: messes up the modeling in especially like a Rust Belt
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  Speaker 6: place like Ohio, where you did have Obama, Trump, Biden,
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  Speaker 6: Trump voters.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Ryan.
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  Speaker 4: No, yeah, that's just such a key point that what
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  Speaker 4: we can model when it comes to the early vote
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  Speaker 4: is party registration coming out to the polls. And then
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  Speaker 4: you bank like, OK, in the past, X percent of
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  Speaker 4: Democrats voted for the Democrat, X percent of Republicans voted Republican.
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  Speaker 4: And then in this state, X percent of independents split
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  Speaker 4: this way. But there's no reason to think, to Emily's point,
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  Speaker 4: that those splits are going to break down in the
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  Speaker 4: same way that they were in earlier pieces of the
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  Speaker 4: Trump era. Like, I would imagine that you're going to
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  Speaker 4: get more Democrats voting for Democrats, more unity, and that
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  Speaker 4: at least some non-trivial sliver of Republicans who are in
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  Speaker 4: that early vote number are voting for Democrats and that
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  Speaker 4: the independent number is probably going to be a little different.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of cherry picking real quick, here's that South Carolina
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  Speaker 4: number that I was looking at first day of early voting.
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  Speaker 4: In 2024, it was a 27.8 Republican margin. In 2026,
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  Speaker 4: it's 1.7% for the Democrat now. And they're showing that
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  Speaker 4: a huge, this is a huge turnout among black voters,
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  Speaker 4: which is something that isn't getting talked about as much,
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  Speaker 4: but the attempt to knock down the voting rights act
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  Speaker 4: and to really, uh, gerrymander out a huge portion of
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  Speaker 4: the congressional black caucus has apparently deeply resonated with black voters,
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  Speaker 4: particularly around the South. And they're coming out in ways
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  Speaker 4: that I think Republicans did not anticipate. And if they
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  Speaker 4: had might not have, um, kind of made this move.
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  Speaker 1: Ralph Norman probably would not be struggling. He would be struggling.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think he would be struggling on the level
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  Speaker 6: of Darlene Graham because people now resent that she has
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  Speaker 6: all of the baggage of her brother, who's increasingly unpopular,
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  Speaker 6: but they also feel like it was jammed down their
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  Speaker 6: throats by people in Washington and the president.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the exact wrong time.
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't have that Lindsey Graham charm.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's the exact wrong time to try to
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  Speaker 6: do something like that. And she immediately made major mishaps
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  Speaker 6: by saying, well, I don't really know about foreign policy.
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  Speaker 1: It just.
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  Speaker 6: If she loses, it's going to have been very predictable
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  Speaker 6: when people look back on the arc of the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a Trump fail right there because he
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  Speaker 2: just he, you know, blessed her and really pulled her
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  Speaker 2: through the primary. Otherwise, she wouldn't have have won. Just
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  Speaker 2: on the note of potential Democratic polling underestimation, there is
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  Speaker 2: there are a few points of data that do support
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  Speaker 2: that theory, which is. First of all, all of the
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  Speaker 2: polling has shown that Democratic voters tend to be more
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  Speaker 2: enthusiastic this cycle than Republican voters, again, for obvious reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Yet you have a number of pollsters whose registered voter
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  Speaker 2: model is showing better numbers for Democrats than their likely
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  Speaker 2: voter models. That seems very unlikely, given the fact, OK,
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  Speaker 2: if you take the entire pool of voters and you say, OK,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to apply my likely voter screen and try
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  Speaker 2: to figure out which ones of these are most likely
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  Speaker 2: to show up, that should be leading to. more Democratic
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  Speaker 2: overperformance because those are the people who are definitely the
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  Speaker 2: most hyped up to vote, according to all of the
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  Speaker 2: polling and all of the sentiment and all of the
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  Speaker 2: conventional wisdom that you could possibly find. So that would
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  Speaker 2: support the theory that they are really scared of underestimating Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: And so they're putting a thumb on the scale with
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  Speaker 2: their likely voter screens to really juice up those Republican numbers.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing I would point to is while we
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  Speaker 2: obviously have some really high profile examples of Republican underestimation
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  Speaker 2: in 16, 20 and 24. Well, what are those three
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  Speaker 2: elections have in common? Trump is on the ballot and
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  Speaker 2: it's a presidential year. In the midterms, the story's been
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  Speaker 2: quite different. In fact, in 2022, Democrats were underestimated. You
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  Speaker 2: guys will remember we thought there was going to be
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  Speaker 2: a red wave. There was not a red wave. Then
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  Speaker 2: in the most recent election cycle and off your election
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  Speaker 2: cycle of 2025, huge Democratic underestimation. you know, the New
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  Speaker 2: Jersey polls were looking like it was going to be close.
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  Speaker 2: And then Mikey Shera pulls off a blowout double digit victory.
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  Speaker 2: Abigail Spanberger, it looked like she was ahead, but it
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  Speaker 2: was close. Again, blowout victory. So there are some reasons
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  Speaker 2: to believe that that could be the case. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying it is, but it's not a crazy thing to
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  Speaker 2: imagine that that's the case. And I would say at
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  Speaker 2: this point, there's probably more evidence in that direction than
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  Speaker 2: in the Republican hopium that the polls are all wrong. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Rich Barris, who's caught these things before. He's
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  Speaker 2: wrong and everybody's wrong. The sentiment's wrong. And actually, everybody
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  Speaker 2: loves the high gas prices and the pedophile protection. Final
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  Speaker 2: message here down the stretch.
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  Speaker 6: The two places before we get to the guests, the
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  Speaker 6: two places that I think it's possible that it could
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  Speaker 6: go in either direction are Maine and Texas because of
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  Speaker 6: the rural polling, which is so difficult when landline use
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  Speaker 6: is going down. We saw a huge polling error in
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  Speaker 6: 2020 with the Sarah Gideon Maine race, and they're trying
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  Speaker 6: to correct for that now, which could create interesting things
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  Speaker 6: if you have Trump voters flipping or Or if you're
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  Speaker 6: still just not picking up on genuine support for Collins,
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  Speaker 6: which isn't always Trump supporters are not always Collins supporters
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  Speaker 6: are not always Trump voters if you're looking at the polling.
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  Speaker 6: So I would I would just be I'm more cautious
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  Speaker 6: about those two places. But even in those two places,
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  Speaker 6: it could go the other way. It could be that
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  Speaker 6: the poll is running the other direction.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to talk to a Texas analyst later.
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  Speaker 2: He can tell us what the early vote looks like there.
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  Speaker 2: And whether it supports a possibility of, you know, Republicans
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  Speaker 2: overperforming the polls, I'm sure that's still a possibility that's
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  Speaker 2: on the table. Maine, from what I've been seeing also,
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  Speaker 2: has been rich. Yesterday said that the Maine early vote
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  Speaker 2: data looks disgusting for Republicans.
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  Speaker 3: That was his.
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  Speaker 4: And to your point, Crystal, the recent poll that came out,
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  Speaker 4: the very sophisticated one, had Collins and Jackson 49-49 among
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  Speaker 4: likely voters. But then among registered voters, it was like,
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  Speaker 4: 51-48 or something, Jackson.
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  Speaker 5: Jackson.
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  Speaker 4: So if, I think your point is excellent. Who's more
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  Speaker 4: likely to come out? The people that want to come
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  Speaker 4: out or the people that are like not enthusiastic about
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  Speaker 4: coming out? And then you map that against the early
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  Speaker 4: voting data that you're seeing. You're like, if I have
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  Speaker 4: to choose between the pollster trying to, you know, cover
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  Speaker 4: their ass and what registered voters are saying and doing
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to turning in their ballots, probably want
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  Speaker 4: to go with the registered voters.
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  Speaker 1: Only pollster I believe is Wedgwood.
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  Speaker 2: SoCal. I would add them to the list, Emily. Very
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  Speaker 2: high quality.
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  Speaker 4: In SoCal, we trust around here. All right.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Richard Ojeda standing by. He's a congressional candidate
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  Speaker 2: in North Carolina's 9th congressional district. Let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: bring him in. All right. So retired major Richard Ojeda
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  Speaker 2: joins us now. He is running in North Carolina's 9th
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  Speaker 2: congressional district. And part of why we wanted to talk
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  Speaker 2: to him is he's running in a district Trump won
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  Speaker 2: by something like 16 points. A normal cycle. No one
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  Speaker 2: would be talking to him. No one would be interested
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  Speaker 2: in this race. It would be a blowout. It would
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  Speaker 2: be a foregone conclusion. However, that is not what the
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  Speaker 2: polls are showing. And Richard can give us an update
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  Speaker 2: from the ground about how he's feeling about the early
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  Speaker 2: vote numbers that are coming in here. But it's so
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  Speaker 2: narrow and so much in play now that you've got
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  Speaker 2: some significant party packs that are taking a look at this,
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  Speaker 2: sending polling memos around saying, hey, this one may be
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  Speaker 2: in play. And the incumbent that Richard is up against
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  Speaker 2: is a guy by the name of Richard Hudson, who
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  Speaker 2: who leads the RNCC. So he's like the chief fundraiser
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  Speaker 2: for the Republicans in the House. That's, again, a sign
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  Speaker 2: that they think, oh, this is somebody who's in a
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  Speaker 2: safe seat. He can just run around fundraising. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really have to worry about his own district. Richard Ojeda
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  Speaker 2: has something else to say about that. So, Richard, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Great to see you.
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  Speaker 5: Awesome. Glad to be on here. Glad to finally be
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  Speaker 5: on a camera with Ryan Grimm again, too. You know,
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  Speaker 5: that's always great to see you. Let me tell you.
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  Speaker 5: So we're breaking records in North Carolina. In Cumberland County
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  Speaker 5: and in Hoke County, I mean, people are on fire.
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  Speaker 5: They're tired of this garbage. Richard Hudson has given them
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  Speaker 5: a representative that has never shown up in 15 years.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't live here. He just shows up down here,
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  Speaker 5: takes a couple pictures in gated communities and disappears. And
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  Speaker 5: we have put the work in and we have showed
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  Speaker 5: these people that there's an alternative that actually puts boots
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  Speaker 5: on the ground and works its butts off. And that's
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  Speaker 5: what we do. And I'm going to tell you, if
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  Speaker 5: you look at right now versus two years ago, two
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  Speaker 5: years ago is a presidential election. Most people vote in
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  Speaker 5: presidential elections and they do midterms. Republicans are at a
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  Speaker 5: 42 percent decrease in where they were right now, this
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  Speaker 5: time two years ago. OK, I'm telling you right now.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, I feel very comfortable that I'm leading in
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  Speaker 5: six of the of the seven counties. And I'm talking
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  Speaker 5: by quite a bit. I think right now they were
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  Speaker 5: saying that something like Guilford County was a D plus 38.
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  Speaker 5: Alamance County was D plus 18. Cumberland County is a
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  Speaker 5: D plus 46. Hoke County is a D plus 50.
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  Speaker 5: Chatham County is a D plus 46. Moore County, it
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  Speaker 5: looks like him and I are almost in a dead tie,
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  Speaker 5: but there's 37% unaffiliated. We're killing it with unaffiliated voters.
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  Speaker 5: And of course the reddest county in the state of
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  Speaker 5: North Carolina is Randolph County. But I'm gonna tell you
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: right now, I'm getting every democratic vote. I'm getting the
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: majority of the unaffiliated votes. And every single day we
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: have more people saying, I've never voted Democrat in my life,
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: but I'm voting for Richard Ojeda. And we're seeing this
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: all over the district. I got Republican farmers that have
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: met with me that said, my family's, you got our
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: family's support and we're going to spread the word. I'm
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: telling you, Richard Hudson has taken this district for granted
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: for far too long. And we are going absolutely nonstop.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: And I'm telling you, you can feel it. I mean,
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: people are coming up to me everywhere that I go.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: You know, most people don't even know what Richard Hudson
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: looks like. The guy never shows up. But another big
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: piece here is the whole affordability piece. He's doing nothing.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: And this administration is doing nothing for these people. And
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: these people are struggling greatly. I got farms that I'm
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: going to and visiting that are struggling because the diesel
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: prices are making it almost impossible for them to be
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: able to, you know, farm their land. You know, people
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: people can't afford the seed. I mean, everything is more
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: expensive right now. And Richard Hudson is not showing up
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: and basically going to gated communities and golf courses. And
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I'm showing up and explaining to these people what I
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: want to do, which will absolutely help, you know, make
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: things more affordable. So, you know, I think people are
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: starting to to to hear our message. And I think
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: they're fired up and I think they're fired up all
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: across this country.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Richard, can you just give people a little bit of
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: a sense of your district? Fort Bragg is in your
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: district that they may not be familiar with these counties.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: It's mostly rural. You know, give people like a little
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: bit of the lay of the land here.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: So so obviously the part that I have in Cumberland,
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: I have about a third of Cumberland County, maybe even
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: less than a third. But it's got all of Fort Bragg,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Spring Lake. Cliffdale area and the area that goes into
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: Hoke County. Now, Hoke County is another county that is
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: on fire. They are rushing to the polls. They're doing phenomenal.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: This district's kind of gerrymandered, but I don't think it
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: benefits him that great right now because what they did
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: was it's a lot of communities of color and he
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: never shows up in communities of color. And I spend
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: most of my time in communities of color. So Hoke
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: County is absolutely killing it right now. Moore County, of course,
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: where I actually live, this is where the U.S. Open
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: was recently held. You know, this is a really big
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: golfing and horse community. And then, of course, I've talked
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: about Randolph and Chatham. Chatham County's biggest issue right now
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: is a pipeline that they're trying to push through that
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Richard Hudson said, that's not my lane. I'm sorry, but
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: that's your constituents and this is your district. It is
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: your lane. So you need to get involved with that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: But then we have Alamance County and Guilford County. Guilford
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: County is basically I have all of the eastern, northern
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: and southern part of Greensboro, but not Greensboro itself.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: When the Iran war started, we did a survey where
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: we asked people, do you think that President Trump started
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: this war, at least in part to basically push the
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Epstein files off the front page? And this is a
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: national survey. And by a 50 to 42 percent majority,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: American people said, yeah, at least in part, he launched
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: this war to cover up the Epstein files. So I'm curious,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: as you go around the district, the war did kind
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: of push the Epstein files off the front page and
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: off the off of cable news. But did it push?
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Did it push it out of people's minds? Do you
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: do you hear it in relationship to the Iran war?
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: And like, what are the things that are really kind
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: of resonating with people now?
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, obviously, the war is we've got to
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: stop this war because the prices are just they're killing people.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, let me tell you, people. are severely struggling
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: right now. And I tell people, look, MAGA, knock it off.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: You know, you're not doing better than you were two
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: years ago. There is no way, shape or fashion that
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: you can be doing better. Grocery prices are up. Gas
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: prices are up. Diesel prices are up. Everything in the
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: stores is up because of what's going on in Iran.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: And we have to First, we've got to stop this war.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And as far as how do we stop this war?
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: You know, right now, I honestly I don't know any
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: other way other than basically us looking at Iran and saying, look,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: you know, we're going to end this this nightmare and
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: we have to come with hat in hand. I mean,
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: you know, we we we we we attack them. We
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: killed children. We blew up a children's hospital. We blew
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: up a school. I mean, these are horrible things that
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: have happened. And there's going to be people that are
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: going to be held accountable for these atrocities. But I'm
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: telling you right now, people have not forgotten about the
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Epstein files. People are still very, very agitated about the
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Epstein files because once again, we know what happened. We
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: know that this was the billionaire boys club. And we
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: know that these people absolutely deserve to be held accountable.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: And that's what they're doing. They're trying to do everything
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: in their power to make this not a thing anymore
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: because they know that if this could crash, maybe our
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: economy could destroy the corporations that run this country.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So?
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: I don't care if you molested children, beat, trafficked, raped, threatened,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: maybe even murdered. You need to go down for that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: And people have not forgot about the Epstein files. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: they're not going to forget about the Epstein files. But
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: as far as having Fort Bragg in my district, let
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: me tell you, I'm going to paint a picture for you.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: So every time I got ready to deploy to combat,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: We knew it was going to be a year-long deployment.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: So not only was I training, there was also things
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: out there for my family to prepare them for what's happening.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: When you leave and you don't come back, especially if
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: you're a child, you know, we want to make sure
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: that the families are prepared for this. That's not what
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: happened here. They deployed an entire brigade combat team to combat.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: And of course, you know, daddy got up, mommy got up,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: kissed her kids and said, we'll be back in about
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: two weeks. And then they got told when they got there,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: it's a year-long deployment. I'm going to tell you that
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: those families are literally just, it's like at their wit's
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: end right now. Because I actually have a family member
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: who just had a brand new baby girl. And now
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: he left, but was told, hey, don't worry about it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: We'll be back in a week. No biggie. Year-long deployment.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: I mean... People are devastated. People are angered. They're mad
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: about this garbage. This is not the way that we
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: treat our soldiers. But what do you expect when we
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: have an administration that doesn't understand how to treat soldiers?
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: And that's including Pete Hegseth, who absolutely is. I'm more
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: qualified to be the secretary of defense than Pete Hegseth is.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: And I'm not nowhere near qualified to be the secretary
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: of defense. That's a fact.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: You know, I have heard from Republicans who say they
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: voted for Trump and are considering not just sitting it out,
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: but actively voting for Democrats. As you said, you're hearing
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: that yourself. So I wonder, one of the things that
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: I hear from those people who are going through that
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: decision personally is, well, what are Democrats going to do
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: when they get elected to bring prices down? If they
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: get the House and the Senate, what can Democrats do
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: if Trump is still president to bring prices down and
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: stop the war?
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: OK, so, you know, I obviously I'm not sitting inside
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: those those circles right now talking about this stuff. But
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: ending the war has got to be a number one priority.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: But here's another thing, too. We can't just jump in
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: there and impeach Donald Trump. If we impeach Donald Trump
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: on day two, they're going to martyr this guy. The
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: MAGA will always scream, you did it because you couldn't
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: handle him. We need, and listen to what I'm saying,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: and maybe we need to spread this word. We need
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: to investigate Donald Trump and this administration so thoroughly. And
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: we need to do like 6 o'clock to 8 p.m.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: every single night. Tune in and you get to watch
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: it all. Because here's the thing. We may never wake
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: MAGA up. Unless we show them everything, the worst of
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: the worst, because maybe then they'll go, wow, I'm not okay.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: I got to walk away from this. That may be
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: the only way we help these people. Look, I want
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: to bring people back to reality. I don't want a
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: whole entire group of millions of people that are going
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: to spend the rest of their lives griping at the
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: fact that how somehow we stole their messiah. You know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: we've got to investigate Donald Trump. But we also got
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: to figure out how we're going to be able to
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: stop this war with Iran, open the Strait of Hormuz.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: And and we've got to figure out how we can
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: do that without them saying, no, we're going to just
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: keep going, because they've said that they're not going to
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: open the Strait of Hormuz until Trump is gone. So
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: maybe I don't know. I mean, I just there's got
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: to be something that we have to come up with,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: you know, with with Iran to get things moving again.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: And once again, Iran is not the enemy here. You
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: can claim. But it wasn't they didn't attack us. We
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: attacked them. Benjamin Netanyahu has been looking for his useful
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: idiot for the past 40 years and he found it
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: in Donald Trump. And Donald Trump is willing to do
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: anything to keep people's eyes off of the daggone Epstein files.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Because guess what? He raped kids. You think I'm scared
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: to say that? I'm not scared to say that. I'll
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: say that on the House floor. And once again, you
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: want to sue me, sue me, because we'll bring the
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: records in to prove that I'm telling the truth. And
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: the reason why I'm so confident in saying this is
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: because I've watched Ted Lieu. look into a camera multiple
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: times and say, the reason why they're doing all this
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: is because Donald Trump raped kids. And Ted Lieu has
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: looked in those files. So he's seen it. So I'm
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: not worried about it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Richard, you seem anything but scared. You also served multiple
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: tours in Iraq and received two Bronze Star medals. Trump
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: seems to be prepared to strike Iran again. this time
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: with a lot less resources, a lot less U.S. Army bases,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: and a lot less ways to protect our troops. A
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: widower recently spoke to J.D. Vance at a town hall
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: and talked about how his wife, who died in a strike,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: was saying that they didn't feel safe, that they didn't
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: feel protected. What do you think about the current state
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and if we strike Iran again? What do you think
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: about the safety of our troops?
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I think that they're in serious jeopardy here. I mean, look,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, I've been on some
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: of these bases. The protection are HESCO barriers and things
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: like that. That's the protection. You know, very, very little
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: protection from mortars and rockets from the sky. You know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: that's just a fact. And everything is within reach, easily
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: within reach. So our troops are definitely in harm's way.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, we've already had over 800 wounded in action.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Because of these attacks. It's just the way that it is.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: You know, it's extremely dangerous. The way that you make
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: it even safer is inside the area. You still put
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: walls everywhere. But I mean, literally, I'm telling you right now,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: you can get the sense where you're literally just walking
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: around in a maze the entire time you're there. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: with these bases getting hammered and hit, a lot of
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: people don't understand. Now, a lot of those bases are closed.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: And we got troops over there that don't really have
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: access to now mail capabilities and resupply capabilities. And that's
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: what's really the worst for those troops over there right now.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Because they're not getting to do anything, see anything. They're
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: lacking in food and all this other stuff. Kind of
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: like looking at the USS Abraham Lincoln. And how dare,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: you know, Donald Trump, when they finally was going to leave,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: he was like, they should have stayed longer. He was
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: mad because sailors got tired of being stuck on a
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: ship for literally nine straight months with not one port call.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: That's what makes life hard.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Livable on these ships is that you stop at ports
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: quite often and you get to get off and stretch
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: your legs and spend a day or two looking at
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: things and hanging out with your fellow sailors and going
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: and eating and stuff like that.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: And that didn't happen. I'm going to tell you, if
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: you've ever been on a naval ship, Everything is really,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: really close in proximity to one another. So you only
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: have like a small section here with where you can
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: put your knickknacks. And that's pretty much. And then you've
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: got like a closet for your clothing. That's all you've got. So,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's miserable for these people over there. It's
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: absolutely miserable. And it just it bothers me as a
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: person who spent 24 years in the military, how callous
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: these people are towards our troops. You know, they want
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: to act like they they walk with every single troop.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: They don't care about our troops.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: I've heard from several service members and a few family
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: members of those serving who say that after they've been
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: wounded in combat, the Pentagon is telling them because Hegseth
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: declared a ceasefire or declared the end of major combat operations,
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: that they don't actually count as being wounded in combat.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: And this is not a service-connected injury. And as a result,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: then they're not eligible for all of the various VA
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: benefits and other benefits. that come from a combat-connected injury.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Have you heard of this from people that you've been
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: talking to around Fort Bragg or elsewhere?
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I haven't, but let me tell you something. These people
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: are wounded because of strikes.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, from Iran, literally.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: That's right. That's right. That's right. So let me tell
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: you something. Every single one of those people that served
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: are going to get 100 percent of the benefits that
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: they deserve. And we're not going to let people like
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Pete Hegseth and them try to say, well, we we
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: we we said no right before this time. So they
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: don't get nothing. They're deployed. They're serving their country. They
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: were in and they are in harm's way and they
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: have been wounded and they're going to get every single
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: benefit that comes from that. And if this administration wants
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: to sit there and say that they won't, then fine.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: That'll just help us send this administration to the damn dustbin.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: And that's what's going to happen when this is over with.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: On the Epstein files, just want to note that President
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Trump has not been charged with any criminal conduct and
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: denies any criminal conduct. On the note, though, of Republicans
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: closing here with an Epstein files related pedophile protection message. Richard,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: have you been following this thing that's going on with
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Vivek Ramaswamy in Ohio?
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I have. I have. And once again, I mean, look,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: first off.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Let me play for you. Let me go and play
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: for you. Griffin can pull it up. President Trump is
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: standing by this ad. I'm sure everybody watching this knows
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: at this point Vivek Ramaswamy has now put $ 4 million
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: behind an ad of Amy Acton's estranged mother who stood
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: by the rapist of her daughter and fled the state
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: along with him and hadn't seen her since she was
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: 12 years old because she chose the abuser over her
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: own daughter who had been accused not only by Amy
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: but by the daughter of a previous one of his
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: wives in a different marriage. So a court, of course,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: removed Amy from their custody based on the evidence that
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: they saw. President Trump lauding that ad and saying, you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: standing behind it, saying that he thinks anyone would would
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: want to run this ad. And the only reason that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: people don't like it is because it looks so bad
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: for Amy Acton. Let's go and take a look. Listen
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Great state, a great state.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: And.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: If it's even a little bit true, you don't want
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: her as governor.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: That's her opinion. I'm defending it because I know that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: if that ad were about my mother, you would love it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: You would love every inch of it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Of course, he's going to take the side.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Of the rapist.
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: He's Donald Trump.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: You know, he's going to take the side of the video.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Vivek Ramaswamy is absolutely sick. You know, we now go
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: back and look and find that, you know, he took
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: some type of a scholarship or something, whatever it was called,
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: that was supposed to go to poor immigrants. And he
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: had about $ 800, 000 in the bank when he took it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: This guy has no integrity whatsoever. That's the thing about
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: this whole MAGA and all these people within that circle.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: They have no integrity whatsoever. But for them to do
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: something like this, because let me tell you something, What
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: that did right there, that brought back so much pain.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: to that woman that's running for governor. It brought back
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: memories that she probably has worked her entire life to
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: try to hide. And that was as cruelty as what
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: that is. It is unacceptable. It just tells you what
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: type of people that we're dealing with here on the
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Republican Party. And this is the reason why, you know what?
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: I'm glad that we are seeing people rising up across
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: this country and pushing back to this garbage buffoonery I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: glad that we're seeing that, but we have to continue
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: pushing and we've got to win in 2026 and we've
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: got to win in 2028. And then we've got to
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: make sure that we hold everyone accountable for the crimes
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: that they have committed. We've got to get this country
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: back on track. You know, we got to start going
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: to Washington, D.C. and pushing legislation. that elevates people's lives.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: And I'm talking about the working class people in this country.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: We got to stop giving everything to the billionaire class.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I'm sick and tired of us, daggone, finding money. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: instead of using it for the people, we just figure
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: out how we can shove it in somebody's pocket who's
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: got more money than they could spend in a thousand lifetimes.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: It's time for us to stop that. The billionaire class
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: will be OK. Those that didn't, you know, handle their
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: business on Epstein Idol because we're going to go after them.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: This is my thoughts with that. Like I said, I'm
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: I'm just a candidate. And, you know, I'm not on
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: the inside right now. But my thing is, is, you
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: know what? We'll take every single one of those billionaires,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: corporate owners. I don't care what crashes. We're going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: take them. And every single person that they preyed upon,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: we're going to make them make those people, those victims vulnerable.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Multi-millionaires and then I say we take everything from them
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: seize everything their jets their homes their land Their cars
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: everything they have we sell it all and we put
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: it towards our national debt Maybe we could get this
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: national debt down by doing something like that because those
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: people do not deserve To live the rest of their
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: life and be able to just get away with what
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: they've done They need to pay for it dearly and
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: then they need to pay for it with their with
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: their freedom period Richard, do.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: You have any big money packs coming in off the sidelines?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: We saw some. What was that? Ryan House majority pack
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: that put out that memo polling memo saying, hey, this race,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you may not have it on your radar, but it's
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: in play. Are you seeing some people come off the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: sidelines for you? We are.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: We are. You know, we just recently got the bold pack.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: We've got quite a few congressional endorsements. We've got all
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: the union endorsements for the most part. Uh, but yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think, I think things are looking good.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: The DCCC is, is now really, really, you know, basically
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: they're with us. They're standing, they're like in the rooms
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: and stuff. So, uh, they're definitely, uh, you know, interested
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: in this race and, uh, yeah, I'm telling you, it
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: feels really, really good to be at this point right
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: now and, and looking at the numbers that we're seeing, uh,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: because I'm going to tell you, we, we, we're going
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: to win this. We are going to win this. The
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: people showing up at the polls, they're breaking records right now.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: And they're not showing up. I mean, the Republicans, once again,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: negative 42 percent of where they were two years ago
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: in a presidential election. That tells us that it's not
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: like they're waiting for November 3rd. That tells us they're
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: not showing up. Who do they have? Who are they
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: voting for? There's nobody exciting on the ticket for them
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: to vote for. So they're staying home. And the Democrats
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: are showing up. African-Americans absolutely showing up everywhere. And I'm
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: telling you right now, I love it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: The PAC for the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. At the top
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: of the show, I stupidly said I thought your grandmother
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: might have been from Mexico, but obviously it would would
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: have been one of your grandfathers. Then he come and
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: become a coal miner.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: So very, very wild. My grandfather left home when he
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: was 13 years old to ride with Pancho Villa. And
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: he ended up he ended up having to swim across
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: the Rio Grande to keep from being killed by the federales.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: And he made his way to Chicago and he worked
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: in the steel mills of Chicago for a while until
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: somebody said, Hey, cause people were dropping dead by from
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: the heat. And somebody said, Hey, anybody want to share gas?
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: There's jobs in West Virginia in coal mining. So he did,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: he went to West Virginia and my father was born
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: in Philbert, West Virginia, which is in McDowell County, the
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: poorest County in the country right now. And, uh, right
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: after my dad was born, a person knocked on the
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: door and it was, uh, His name was Condido. And
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: he said, we're your family and our father's sick and
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: you need to come home. And my family moved back
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: to Jalisco to a place called Techiluta del Montenegro. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: they lived there until my dad was eight. And then
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: they went back to West Virginia. And when they got
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: to West Virginia, the reason why we say Ojeda is
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: because when my grandfather made it back to the coal
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: fields of West Virginia and Logan County, They didn't understand
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: that J and H very well. So he just thought
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: that for them to be able to have a better life,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: they needed to assimilate and say, hey, we're just Ojeda.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: And that's how it was. But yeah, I'll be the
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: first Hispanic person to ever represent North Carolina in Washington, D.C.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: And I'm very proud of that. And I'm going to
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: tell you, I'm trying to mentally do it. I want
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: to bring it back. My name is Richard Ojeda.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: I want it to be Ojeda. That's how Griffin started
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the show.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Griffin, you didn't even know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: And can they roll their R's in West Virginia?
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Your grandfather might be the first guy who went to
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: the coal mines to get a more laid-back job.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he had a reputation. You know, he laid
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: track in the coal mines until he was in his 70s.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: He had a reputation. Even when he retired, they brought
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: him back because the new people had no idea how
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: to do that job the way he did. So he
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: had a great reputation. And you know what? I'm going
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: to hang his picture in our Capitol.
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Well, we're going to have to have you back on
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: to hear more of these Pancho Villa stories. But for now,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: we're focused on the midterms. We wish you luck. Where
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: can people find you or support you in these final days? Yeah,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: your website.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: So Ojeda4NC. com. Every night I do a nightly live. But
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: for some odd reason, I'm telling you, somebody's doing something.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: I have never in my life ever had a problem
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: getting on YouTube and now I just can't do it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: So it's happened within the last couple of days, but
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: nothing would surprise me here. But yeah, ojennifernc.com. If you
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: want to actually meet me, just go anywhere in the
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: ninth district and just stand there. Make no mistake about it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: I'll come by.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Well, maybe we can
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: talk to you two about that. I'll talk to my
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: guys at YouTube. See what's going on behind the scenes there.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: See if we can help you out. Richard, good luck.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: We'll be tracking your race on election night and we'll
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: hope to speak to you again soon.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at Texas. We have a Texas
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: data expert here, Theo, who we've been following from Twitter.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: He's been doing some excellent reporting on the polling and
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: data coming out of Texas for a race that everyone
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: is very interested in. Theo, welcome to the show.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: Welcome, everyone.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for welcoming us. I appreciate that. It's
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: nice to be welcomed.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: We all live in Theo's world. It's true.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: That's right. Texas is the center of the universe right now.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Now, Theo, I want to throw up your website here.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: This is, of course, TheoElections.com. It's very beautiful here. And you've,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: of course, been doing a lot of great data. And
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I encourage everyone to keep checking that out and following
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: him on TwitterX.com. But, Theo, we just wanted to start
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: more generally. You know, it's Friday right now. What are
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: you seeing currently in this race, in particular with the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Senate run with Tallarico versus Paxton?
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: So far, we are seeing the highest ever midterm turnout
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: in Texas history since 1976. We are on track to
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: seeing almost 10 million votes, which is only one million
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: short of a general election. And it's really impressive that
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: we are at this point in the midterm.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and pull up, Theo, something that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you shared here on Twitter, and you can just talk
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: us through what these maps are. So you've been tracking.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: The reason I wanted to talk to you is because
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: You've been tracking the early vote really carefully, and I'm
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: a little bit leery of reading too much into the
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: early vote. Maybe you can speak to that, what can
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: be learned and what shouldn't be learned from early vote.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: But here you say day two is almost done reporting
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: all of the early vote. This map visualizes primary voters
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: in early vote. There's a significant drop in turnout the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: third day in the reported counties. I'll update the map
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: as soon as they report early. So talk to us
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: about some of what you're seeing in the early vote,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: what we should read into it, and what things we
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: should still be cautious about.
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: The first thing I can say is that the early
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: vote is not the end results. There are going to
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: be almost 60% of non-primary voters that we have no
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: idea who they're going to vote for. But primary voters
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: are indicative of party's in lean and Democrats have started
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: really strong in the first and second day while Republicans
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: are improving. We need to see this going into the
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: second week. If this keeps up, this is going to
• 42:13
  Speaker 8: be a really big advantage for Democrats.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: And can I ask the broader question? Ryan brought this
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: up the other day when we were talking about early
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: voting in Texas. How does post-COVID population increase.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Affect some of these numbers?
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: Like you mentioned, highest early voter turnout since the 70s.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: Is any of that explained by the fact that Texas
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: has just grown since 2020-ish? Or are we genuinely seeing
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: shocking numbers here? This is about the same turnout as 2018.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: It's going to land around 53%.
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: So it is not actually that unusual. It is with
• 42:53
  Speaker 8: the political environment that we are in that voters are
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: driven to a midterm election. So this is just, I
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: would say, a polarized environment going to the ballots.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: You're seeing Republicans say that as more and more votes
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: are getting turned in, Republicans are narrowing the gap a
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: little bit. How much truth is there to that? How
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: much of the gap is narrowing? Is that something you
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: would expect at this point, or is it sign for
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: hope for Paxton and for Republicans?
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: For the side that we know, Republicans are improving their results,
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: but again, they're about 60% non-primary voters that we really
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: don't know what they're going to vote for. If they
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: really significantly lean towards Democrats, maybe every single Democrat will
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: have an advantage in the statewide races. If they lean
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: towards Republicans, maybe it will carry everyone to the finish line.
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: So that's the most important group of voters in the electorate.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Do you have any sense, Theo, of what the numbers
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: would need to be among those voters, like for all
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the Democrats to prevail, how much of the nonpartisan, unaffiliated
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: voters would they need to be able to secure?
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: They would need to win them really easily. And if
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: they end up really closed, Republicans will have an advantage
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: because Trump won the state by more than 10 percent.
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: And it's a Republican-leaning state. Even if it's a blue
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: wave or a blue midterm, the best way for Democrats
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: to win is the non-primary voters.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Let me put this other chart that you made here
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: and you posted this. You said, as we get full
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: results from day three of early voting in Texas, we
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: now have a clear picture. From now on, we will
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: see a substantial amount of turnout. from voters who do
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: not vote in primaries. And let me just blow this
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: up a bit. Can you explain what you're tracking here,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: what we're looking at?
• 45:02
  Speaker 8: Texas does not have a traditional party registration. So every user,
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: every voter goes to the ballots in March to pick
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: a party primary because they're not assigned as Democrat or Republican.
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: In two different years, they can pick Democrat and Republican
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: in two different years. In the past six years, right now,
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: we are at 36% Democratic primary voters and 34% Republican
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: primary voters. And as the election continues, more non-prospanity.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Voters go to the ballots.
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: So we will have more voters that have an unknown
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: history go to ballots every single day.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: So I've also heard people say that there are more
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: polling locations this cycle in 2024, that it's just kind
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: of there's more hours that they're open. It's easier. It's
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: a little bit easier to vote than 2024. And so
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: there's an apples to oranges element that gets inserted into
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: the calculation that way. Is that true? Like what like
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: what what on the ground changes should we be incorporating
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: into this analysis?
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: There have been a lot of lines in front of
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: voting centers that More than 45, 60 minutes of lines.
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: I have heard a lot of people not vote the
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: same day that they go. They just going to say
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: they're going to vote later. We don't know if they're
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: going to vote later.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: If they do, voting.
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: Centers should not be a criteria to decide the election,
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: but it's going to come down to the election day
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: if they really going to vote because Voting centers are,
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: I would say, not enough because this was a midterm
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: and no one was expecting a general election like turnout.
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: And some counties have gone to decrease their number of
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: voting centers. I think Dallas County has increased them. So
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: Dallas has seen higher turnout than 2024. Wow. We just
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: have to see where this ends instead of where this starts.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to underscore that for people to
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: take in. Theo's saying that Dallas is seeing higher turnout
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: in a midterm election thus far than they saw any
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: presidential election, which is damn near unprecedented. Theo, I'm just curious.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: This is my last question. Others can jump in. The
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: polls have tended to have Tallarico up by a little bit.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Is there anything that you're seeing in the early vote
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: that is changing your opinion of where the numbers may
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: ultimately end up and your sense of whether those polls
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: are more or less accurate?
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: In the last polls in the last few weeks, Ken
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: Paxton has... has been losing about 10% of every Republican.
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: So even if we have a really Republican-leaning electorate, I
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: think Ken Paxton would have this disadvantage going into election day.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: So in any scenario, Tallarico would be the more confident
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: side going into election day. I think governor's race will
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: be more of a decider on who the electorate has more.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I wanted to ask about the governor's race, actually. Sorry,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like, do you want to go first?
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: Well, I was just saying, are we seeing anything interesting
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: in rural areas? Any patterns that are interesting there?
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: Definitely rural areas have seen less turnout than urban areas.
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: But again, we have to see two weeks of this
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: election to see who's actually turning out.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wanted to ask about the governor's race because,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: you know, most of the nation is more focused on Tallarico. But,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I... Grew up summers in Houston, and then
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I lived in Austin for a lot of my adult life.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: And Greg Abbott has been such a large character and
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: fixture in Texas for very long, for a large portion
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: of my life. I actually remember being a busboy at
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: a restaurant in Austin, and I actually wheeled Greg Abbott
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: through the restaurant to his seat. So I have very
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: intimately been aware of Greg Abbott for a long time.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Your forecast here that I want to put up, shows
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: that it may still be looking pretty good for Abbott.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: You have here Gina Hinojosa at 46.8% and Abbott at 51.3%.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: You think her chance of beating Abbott's around 22%. Can
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: you tell us more about that race? And do you
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: think that it's not going to be that close? Do
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: you think it's going to be a nail biter? What
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: do you think about the governor's race?
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: This forecast was updated on October 12th. So this is
• 50:10
  Speaker 8: not updated with the early vote. I think it's going
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: to be, it should be updated by weekend. But pre-early vote,
• 50:18
  Speaker 8: Greg Abbo had a confident, he was confident going into
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: the early vote because he's not as unpopular as Paxton.
• 50:29
  Speaker 8: He does not get affected by the national environment as
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: other people do. And he gathers support from all kinds
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: of demographic groups that usually do not vote for Democrats,
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: do not vote for Republicans. So he's kind of an
• 50:47
  Speaker 8: unusual candidate, and we have to see if he will
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: be unusual this election, too. I mean, a lot of
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: things have changed in the last four years, so we
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: have to see the ballots counted.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: You said he was confident going into the early vote.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: Has.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: some of that confidence eroded, you think, as the early
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: vote numbers have come in?
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: I think three days of early vote is still not
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: enough data, but if Democrats keep this lead, I would
• 51:19
  Speaker 8: not say he would still be confident.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: All right. What about the House races? Republicans redrew these
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: districts in order to add. They were trying to add
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: five seats. to their Texas congressional delegation that triggered Democrats
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: then redrawing districts in California and elsewhere to add seats
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: to their own tally. Are they going to end up
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: adding seats in Texas or what's your sense at this point?
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: A lot of the redistricted Southern districts are leaning towards
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: Democrats because of the Hispanic shift from the 2024 election.
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: So I think Republicans may add one maybe two seats,
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: but it definitely backfired that the redistricting was focused on
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: the Southern voters.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Um, sorry. Uh, you got another one, Griffin.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I just want to ask Theo, do you have a
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: car or you're in college? What's the gas prices like
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: and where you are in Texas? Do you even have
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: a car?
• 52:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I have a car and this, I think I
• 52:27
  Speaker 8: opened that for you a few days ago. Um, The
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: gas station near my campus ran out of diesel. And
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: I was really surprised by that. I've never seen that before.
• 52:40
  Speaker 8: So I think that's maybe affecting a lot of people.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: And you're driving a big truck, right? You're driving like
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: a giant truck. That's Crystal. Well, Crystal, do you have
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: a last question or do we want to send Theo off?
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I was just going to ask Theo what he's studying
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: in college.
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: I'm studying astrophysics.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go. The ability to crunch the numbers
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense then, given that. Theo, thank
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: you so much for hanging out with us and breaking
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: down the numbers that you've been seeing. I've been really
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: appreciating your post on Twitter and getting a lot out
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: of it. So we really are grateful and our audience
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: is grateful for your time and your analysis this morning.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: TheoElections.com. And what's your handle on Twitter so people can
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: follow you and keep tracking these races on their own?
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: It's Theo Elections.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Theo Elections. All right.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Easy.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Easy to remember. That'll be in our video description. Theo,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: thank you very much. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's going on this morning
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: in the stock market, which has not been doing well.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And this is one of Trump's favorite metrics heading into
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the midterm elections here. We've got everything in the red,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: some pretty significant drops here to start the day. This
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: follows on a very bad day yesterday as well. Griffin,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: click on the oil tab there up at the top.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: We checked in on this earlier, but this continues to
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: be increase. We've got now Brent up to 116 a barrel, again,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: approaching the levels that we saw at the peak of
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the kinetic action with regard to the Iran war. So
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: really dire landscape here. And in terms of the stock market,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: there's a lot going on. There's fears that the AI
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: bubble may be nearing the top. Don't know if that's
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: real or not, but there are some indications in that direction. Obviously,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: you have the continued hostilities with the Iran war and
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: some indications we may be going back to, you know,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: more kinetic action there. Continued attacks from Iran in the
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Strait of Hormuz. Obviously, you've got the Houthi, Yemen, Saudi
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Arabia situation with the Bab al-Mandab as well. But in
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: addition to that, you also have what is being described
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: as Black October. Sagar and I covered a bit of
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: this yesterday, but effectively, we are now experiencing historic levels
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: of cybersecurity incidents that are quite grave. And the people
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: that I'm reading online and watching their podcasts, many of
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: whom are experts and many of whom are sort of
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: optimistic about AI and haven't been in the Doomer Club
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: and aren't effective altruists, are saying, We have a major
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: problem on our hands because the cyber, the hacking capabilities
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: of the AI models, including not even the frontier models
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that exist now, are at the level of the most
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: expert of human beings. And then guess what? They don't
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: get tired and you can deploy a thousand of them
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: at a problem and they can work 24 hours a day.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: So what does that mean? You already have superhuman hacking
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: capabilities in the hands of literally anyone around the world
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: who wants to have them. Couple that with what Sagar
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: and I talked about yesterday, which is this major security
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: flaw they found in PHP. Again, they used AI. They
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: literally gave AI the command, find vulnerabilities in PHP.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: It did.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: It was something that had been identified previously, but they
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: thought previously when they identified it, oh, this would be
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: too hard for a human to exploit. Well, now with AI,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: it is no longer too hard to exploit. And this
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: is a flaw that is estimated to impact, ready for this, 70%
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: of all internet websites worldwide. You've already had a bunch
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: of governments take down their websites, and that's just the
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg. The number of cybersecurity incidents is
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: truly spiraling. Griffin, I think you have a list here.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: of some of the ones that have been tracked. And
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: what people are saying is we are now having many multiple,
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: what would have been the worst of the year incidents
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: that are coming within 48 hours. So you've got Microsoft,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: you've got CrowdStrike here, autonomous AI agents reportedly used to
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: compromise 100 plus corporate websites. Major US banks say they're
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: dealing with issues with AI agents inside of bank accounts
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: that likely people gave them access to by the way.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: that are taking actions that may not be sanctioned. I
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: saw there was a big, what was the big medical organization?
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Quest Diagnostics, which I just paid a bill for, by
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: the way. So I'm very excited.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't wait to see it.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: You would be hard pressed to find any person in
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: the country that hasn't had some interaction with Quest Diagnostics
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: because that's the kind of place that you go. I mean,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: even like if you have to get a drug test
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: before you start a job or you get any kind
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: of blood work done, like, Did we drug.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Test Ryan before he started this show?
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, and I passed.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: He passed because he had all the right drugs in
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: his system that we were looking for. But in any case,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: this is extremely dire and I'm seeing all kinds of
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: crazy like, oh, the Internet may just not really exist
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: anymore the way that we feel, you know, the way
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: that it is now because it can't be protected. These
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: things are already out of control and sort of taking over.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: in a way that we didn't expect. Much of this done,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: of course, this isn't like rogue swarms. Some of it
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: might be, we don't know, but this is war being
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: deployed by malicious human beings because of the expert level
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: of capabilities that you've now put in the hands of
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: anyone who has any sort of nefarious aims.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Go for it, Ryan.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: The thing on the AI bubble front that really sparked
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: the sell-off was that Facebook put out, or Meta, whatever
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: it calls itself now, put out in its SEC filings Basically,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: they were seeing a drawdown in capital expenditure when it
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: came to this data center build-out. And it's like, oh,
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: we might have reached peak data center build-out. And the
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: revenue coming in isn't matching the $ 10 trillion in debt
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: or whatever that has been piled on top of it.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: And very interestingly, in that same filing, as Gabriel Zuckman,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: the economist, flagged, they mentioned the California billionaire's tax like
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: 25 times. and say that they are preparing to restructure
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: the company so that Mark Zuckerberg can pay his $ 10
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: billion wealth tax to California without it diluting his voting shares.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: So they're putting out this new class of non-voting shares
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: connected to the AI build out. giving him a bunch
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: of those shares so that he can then sell them.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: And because they're non-voting, he remains in full control of
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: the company. So in other words, Zuckerberg promised that he
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: was going to leave California if they passed this wealth tax. Clearly,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: it was a bluff, and they're structuring the company so
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: that he can pay it if it does pass. Now,
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: polls have it losing very narrowly. Well, maybe this helps.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: But guys, if you're in California, the brother is sitting
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: there waiting to write you a $ 10 billion check. You
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: just have to, like, ask for it. Jensen Wong also
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: said he was not going anywhere. He's like another $ 10
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: billion guy. That's $ 20 billion from two guys. The number
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: of billionaires in California has actually increased since they put
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: this on the ballot, not decreased. Anyway, that's a side point.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: And also, these guys are collectively destroying the internet, so
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: why are you being so nice to them? Like, pass
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: the billionaire's text.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: I also just wanted to say what's happening right now
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: is vindicating for the people who are not necessarily like,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: quote unquote, doomers, but are pro-AI and said that the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: rollout was wild and irresponsible and reckless and extremely risky.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: Because obviously right now people are discovering or AI is
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: discovering and then people are discovering what the AI is discovering,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: which is vulnerabilities that they hadn't even thought about.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: And they hadn't even been.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: It's like a scenario where you don't know what you
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: don't know. And that is what is especially frightening with AI,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: because when you don't know what you don't know, the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: AI might find out what you don't know before you do.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of what, Griffin, maybe we have some
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: examples that we can put up, but it's happening at
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 6: a really quick clip right now. That means it can snowball.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: People genuinely should. I'm not fear-mongering. I guess in a
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: literal sense, I am mongering some fear because I think
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: there's rational fears to be had right now about what
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 6: could transpire, not just in the weeks and months to come,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: the days, weeks and months to come, but in the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: years to come. And on a political note, people won't
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 6: forget when this starts going really south that it happened
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: under the watch of this administration that has refused to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: do virtually anything to rein this in.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: And that could haunt them. That could haunt J.D. Vance.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that could haunt Republicans who have their.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: Fingerprints on this for literally years to come because it
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: is likely to get very bad.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: So... Can I just.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: I just want to drill down on Emily's point there
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: in the best way as a non-technical person, as I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: understand it. So normally in the before times, in the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: before superhuman AI times.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: You would.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Like a year ago.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, you know, let's say six months ago.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: You would.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: hacker would discover this potential exploit. These are things, by
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: the way, that you can sell on like an open market, like, oh,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I found a problem in this program, you know, and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: then companies buy it. And then there's a patch that's developed.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: And then the patch is deployed so that people can
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: fix this security vulnerability in whatever it is.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: And over time, given enough time, hackers who would like
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: to exploit that vulnerability can can dig into the patch
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: and see what it is doing and sort of reverse
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: engineer what the problem is, what would be available to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: be exploited here. Now, when you put the patch out,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: anyone can go and use AI to say, what is
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: this patch? What is it doing? What is it fixing?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: What is the exploit? And like this, you know right away.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: So whereas previously there was a benefit of time, Because,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, with something like PHP, again, 70% of all websites,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: these are, I was reading someone who was like, we're
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: trying to find our, sir, we can't even find what
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: all's running these things. Like, it takes time for small
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: business owners, you know, the government of Topeka, Kansas, like,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just, you know, random entities and small businesses, all
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: these people all around the world have to find and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: apply this patch. You have to absorb this information, apply
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: the patch. Previously, you had some time. You no longer
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: have that time. And so now the race has sped
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: up to this extraordinary degree. And that's part of why
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: it's a different landscape now between the people who are
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: on the offense and and the people who are playing
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: defense to try to protect from these hackers who want
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: to get your data and do nefarious things.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: And I'd like to read a story from an IT
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: guy who is trying to patch the PHP right now. Now,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: what I've kind of heard from online is these bigger
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: banks who have large teams are able to patch this easily.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: But as Crystal said, This is across small businesses, and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: this is just one story from an IT guy. He says,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: security called me at 6.12 a.m. today, patch every pH
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: server immediately. I asked what happened, two critical vulnerabilities, no
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: authentication required. He says, how many pH servers do we have?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: According to inventory 12. According to reality, nobody knows. We
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: found one running WordPress, three running old internal tools, one
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: under someone's desk. two inside vendor appliances, a forgotten employee
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: directory from 2016, and a server named PHP old do
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: not touch. Naturally that one runs payroll exports. Then the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: documentation says the documentation for the box. The documentation on
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: the box says, Brian, Brian left in 2019. We called Brian.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: He said, oh, wow, that's still running? By 8 a.m.,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: leadership joins the call. CEO, can hackers get in? Security says, yes.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Without a password? Security says, yes. CEO, then why do
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: we need passwords? It goes on and on. But, you know,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: this happened for multiple days without anyone even knowing where
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: the hell the boxes are or what to shut down.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: And that is currently happening across companies. all over the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: country and potentially world. I wanted to pull up this
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: tweet from an anthropic employee, Jason D Clinton, who says
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: as bad as things have gotten in the past four days,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: they're going to get a lot worse before they get better.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Security leaders never let a crisis go to waste. Please
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: go to your boards and ask for help right now.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Not for AI for the basics. We need to hold
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: on for approximately 18 months. Um, and then, let's finish
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: it off with.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: A, I am so sick of hearing that shit from
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: people at anthropic and open AI, especially the people at
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: anthropic who at like want us to believe they have
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: moral high ground and all of this.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: And they're not the same. I'm just so fucking.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Sick of seeing this stuff from, It's like someone setting
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: fire to your house and being like, someone's got to
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: figure out how to stop these fires.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: It's like someone looting small businesses in Paris. Like, come on, man.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: Like, if we care about that, it's happening just digitally
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: and you don't give a damn about it.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 9: I don't even know what a dramatic enough word to use.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 9: But the problem coming towards us, I think, is still
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: something that we have not as organizational leaders or countries
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: or individuals taken seriously. There was like a moment earlier
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: this year where it was like the mythos freak out
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: or whatever people called it. And I think things did
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: get somewhat better. Like people definitely patched some bugs, but
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 9: it was another one of these cases where people didn't
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 9: really intuit the exponential. So it's like, okay, there are
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 9: these models. They can find a bunch of security vulnerabilities.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: Those are probably all of the security vulnerabilities that exist
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 9: or all the security vulnerabilities that models are ever going
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 9: to find. And I don't think most people sort of said, okay,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: the models are going to get much smarter.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: They can probably find bugs.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 9: Like crazy bugs, you know, bugs that are outside of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: the normal threat model of what we think a hacker
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 9: can do. You know, hardware level, insane stuff, whatever. And
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: so people fix some bugs. And, you know, security professionals
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: still freaking out. CISOs still freaking out. But largely speaking,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: I think most organizational leaders have.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Somewhat moved on.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 9: And the models have kept going. And I no longer
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: think we're going to be able to just patch all
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: the bugs. I think we're going to have to completely
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 9: switch the defense model to sort of using the same
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: technology for sort of a new kind of defense shield.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: And I think it's a huge safety and security issue.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I like the passive voice that the models have moved
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: on as if the models are just independently. I mean,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: we haven't gotten to full recursive self-improvement yet. So it's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: not just the models moving on. You, sir, have decided
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: to move the models on. But I love the complete,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: to Emily's point, you know, denial of any responsibility as
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: if this is all out of their hands. But he's like, yeah,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: it's going to get worse. The product I am releasing
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: and training and continuing to push the boundaries on is
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: is going to make everything dramatically worse. And by the way,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: if you're loving the massive cybersecurity hacking incident and potential
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: end of the internet, you're also going to really enjoy
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: the job loss that is apparently picking up steam. This
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: is from Zero Hudge this morning. He says, the AI
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: layoffs are here. American Express to cut 5% of jobs.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: They specifically named AI. Now, sometimes these companies, by the way,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: they want to do layoffs anyway, and they use AI
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: as the excuse. Keep that in mind with these, but still.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Barclays to cut 5,000 jobs as AI starts creating efficiency.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: eBay confirms job cuts of about 9%. Netflix to lay
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: off 6% of global staff or about 1,000 jobs. And
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: there's more and more data coming out showing that college
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: graduates in AI-exposed fields are getting absolutely fucked.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: So.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: It's here. So, you know, even the good scenario, and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: this is something actually Ezra Klein really drilled into this week,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: and Sagar's been making this point as well. Like, we
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: know the bad scenario, we're all dead. The good scenario
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: is that nobody has jobs and all the power and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: money is concentrated in the hands of like two people.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: So that's, you know, that's the track that they're hoping
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: for here.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: Which goes to directly to the point that Sam Altman
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: was making there towards the end. Notice he said, unfortunately
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: and totally unforeseeably, everybody's going to have to use our
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: product for defensive purposes against the offense that we've basically created.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: It's a real shame.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: Nobody saw that coming. But luckily, we can patch that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: up for you. And so basically, he would then control
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: the entire internet. Now, the good news is I'm older
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: than all of you guys. I can tell you life
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: before the internet was actually great.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: It was fine.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: I had to bring a magazine if you went to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: meet somebody because case they were late you couldn't just
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: scroll your phone you're in the post office line you'd
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: read a magazine instead of being on your phone like
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: it's it's gonna be you know you you call somebody
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: on a landline say we're gonna meet at this time
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: and then you both plan to arrive there at that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: time and you don't have to actually text walking up
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: around the block turns out you can actually meet without
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: doing that like it i know it sounds crazy How.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: Do you find the place, Ryan? You have this thing
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: between your ears.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: So we used to put numbers on the buildings.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: There's numbers on the buildings?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Numbers on the buildings and the streets would have names
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: and the streets have numbers too. And it corresponds to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: a location. And then you get from where you are
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: to there based on your kind of knowledge of the area.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: You can even use the sun for this, I'm told.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Emily's taking it way back. Well, we're going to have to.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: We've already discussed that we're becoming preppers. We're in our
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: prepper era. And so we might as well be in
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: our orienteering era.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: But I actually just want.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: To make a follow up on that kind of like
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: one off line that I made when I was having
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: a temper tantrum earlier about the like looting that people
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: are mad about. That is happening on a massive scale.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: And it's not poor people or middle class people who
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: are doing it. It is the richest of the rich
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: that are doing looting at a mass scale or enabling
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: looting at a mass scale for the sake of we
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: have to beat China or it's going to happen anyway.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: So somebody has to do it responsibly. Well, if somebody
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: has to do it responsibly, this sure as hell isn't
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: doing it responsibly because nobody People are genuinely, like, we
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: will be so lucky if people don't die because of this,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: but there will be serious, like, what we saw with.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: The OpenAI, I'm just.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: It's escaping me, Hugging Face.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: That's a real company. That's a real company that had
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: to deal with real consequences of essentially somebody breaking into
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: its business. Right. Just like someone would break into your
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: business and move stuff around. That was a real just
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: because it wasn't brick and mortar break in just because
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: it wasn't that doesn't mean that it wasn't a break in.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: And because these things are digital and virtual, Sam Altman
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: can get away with talking about them in this passive voice.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 6: And because it feels like it's different from our physical world.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: But these are like real flesh and blood conversations. people
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: that are going to be affected. And it's out of control.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: We're seeing the consequences of it on a day-by-day basis.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: And I feel like what's happening in the last couple
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: of days should be a massive wake-up call. Like, Hugging
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: Face was a wake-up call. And then it still wasn't
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: enough because this is moving so quickly. But hopefully before
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: something horrible happens, truly horrible happens, there's a wake-up call.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: I can remember Annie Jacobson talking about how she used
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: AI to find essentially classified information. That's possible right now
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: it's been possible for months and so as the technology
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: is gaining steam it can do things that we don't
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: even know to look for right and that's how she
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: has talked about using it to track down classified information
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: so god give us luck everyone because this is escalating so.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Quickly Yeah, because we clearly don't have wisdom, so we
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: have to rely on luck. Your point is so important, Emily,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: and really your point about the lack of focus on
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: the rich people looting and the obsessive focus on the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: poor people looting really warms my heart to hear you
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: say that. It's one of my favorite points I've ever
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: heard you make.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: I don't like any of it. I feel like that's consistent.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: Anti-looting, I absolutely agree with you 100%. Looting starts and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: shooting starts. Let me also just say on Hugging Face.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: is anyone being investigated for these crimes?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: There's not even a, I mean, there's not even a
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: pretext of it. And OpenAI, they let some researchers in
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: to do a limited analysis. And I really emphasize limited,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: and we're learning more and more about just how limited
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: that analysis was. We are just, you know, subject to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: their good graces and their whims as to what we
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: learn about what's going on inside of this company. And so, yeah,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: they're just that has set now the precedent that your
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: AI that you're training, clearly irresponsibly so, can go out
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: and commit crimes with impunity and no one is held accountable.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: That's the precedent that has been set right now.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Because they have ownership over it.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: They act like because it's distant and their intention is
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 6: not to loot, even though they know that the technology
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: that they have developed is going to loot. But because
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: their intention is not to loot, it's different.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: They know that this is a risk right now.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: It kind of feels like they released not a technology,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: but like a disease that now is spreading like around
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: the world. It has a pandemic feeling to it. And
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: I guess there's these like long term scary things of
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: it all being owned by billionaires and all this job loss.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not even sure if that's the most immediate thing,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: because I mean, what happens if Wells Fargo gets zeroed out?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: What happens if an electric grid gets taken down? Those
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: are the things that could happen maybe in the next
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks, potentially.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Wait a few months and we'll find out.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the anthropic says we have to make
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: it through 18 months and then it'll all get figured out.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: And their assumption is, is that 18 months from now,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: the whole world will have AI cybersecurity that they're selling
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: them that's strong enough to fight the AI attackers. And
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: that's all going to happen in 18 months. But it
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: does seem sort of like kind of like a power
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: scaling arms race where it's like, well, even if we
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: make our AI security defense a certain X strong at
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: some point, well, there's just going to be another AI
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: that exploits that one.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: And we'll be not just that. What Sam Altman alluded
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: to there is that having your site secured by these
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: super strong AIs creates its own security vulnerabilities. Because they're
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: so strong that we don't understand how they operate. So why,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like the king who has the Praetorian
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: guard that becomes very strong. Those kings don't tend to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: last very long. The guards are like, wait a minute.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: Why are we protecting this loser?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: And then they just become the kings. That's what's happened
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: throughout history.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: But I want you guys to understand this logic that
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: you're laying out right now, Ryan and Griffin. This logic
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: is core to the way that these AI people think
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: about how progress is going to work. I mean, we're
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: already in a place like to analyze the hugging face hack.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: you had to use AI because it was like, what's
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: the term? I can't even remember the term. It's like
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: an amount of data more than every book that's ever
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: been published.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: It's a petabyte.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: A petabyte, multiple petabytes, okay? That they had to analyze.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: So you're already dependent on the AI to analyze the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: AI's behavior. And nobody understands how these things really work
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: and what they're up to and whether or not they're
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: quote unquote aligned. And the biggest hope of people who
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: are in this space who are hoping to achieve some
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: sort of whatever alignment means is that you will have
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: a smarter AI who's going to tell us how to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: align the AI. Like, I'm not kidding. This is already
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: where we're at. And so with the hacking thing, in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: a way, Sam Altman is right. We are already no
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: match for this stuff. We already are in a position
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: where we do have to rely. By the way, the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: way that they shut down the Hugging Face AI hack, AI,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: that's how they did it. So this is already the
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: world that we live in. And so I hope people
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: can use a little bit of imagination to think about
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: where this leads. We're already outsourcing key security tools. components
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: to AI because it's already beyond our capability to deal with.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: That's where we are today, not in the future. That's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: where we are today. So what is going to look
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: like a month from now, two months from now, a
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: year from now, when as much as they say, oh,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: we got to pace the frontier, no one's doing it.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: The government is not solving collective action problems saying, no,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: we're going to pause until we figure out what the
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: fuck is going on here. No, none of that is happening.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: Also, can we get a tiny bit of humility from
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: Ed Zitron and his people at this point? Like, this
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: is quite obviously not just made up hype in order
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: to scaremonger for their IPO. Like, I understand why people
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: had that impulse to believe that because these are untrustworthy scammers.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: But at this point, it's time we kind of shed
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: that idea. Like we're beyond that. I've seen no humility
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: at all from Zitron.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Thoroughly discredited idea.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: Zitron is out doing like victory laps about the AI
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: bubble popping, which is like, well, nobody ever disagreed that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: there was an AI bubble.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: Both can be true.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's what I was going to say is
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: it's brilliant.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: That goes for a bunch of bunch of y'all viewers, too.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: Like a little humility on this.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: I think they've moved on this, to be honest with you, Ryan.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: I've seen an evolution in the audience and how they think.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Because it's just- Which is fine.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: How are we supposed to know? I was sympathetic to the.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: View, too.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: I was in the hype camp for a while, too, myself.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Because it makes, oh, these corporate- I mean, you're right
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: to mistrust these people. Continue to mistrust these people. But
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: the truth is- What you will hear again and again
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: from people who are journalists and people who have been
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: on the inside is, no, they are not hyping it.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: They are underselling the risk. That's what they're actually doing.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: The problem is on the other side. That guy, Dean Ball,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: came out and admitted, like, oh, yeah, I've been underplaying
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: the problems here.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: My bad.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do better. He used to be in
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: tech policy at the White House. Now he's back over
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: at OpenAI. And though my bad, I was just lying
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: to the public about the threats here, but I'm going
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: to do better in the future. That is actually what's
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: going on. When you talk to these people one-on-one, it's
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: what Kevin Roos told us when we interviewed him over
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: his book. They are much more dire in their predictions.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Their P-doom is much higher now. then they actually put
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: forward publicly because you sound insane when you talk about
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff. And because guess what? When you
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: want to sell a product, it is actually not good to...
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: advertise to everyone that the product is going to destroy
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: the entire world. That is actually not a good sales pitch.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: But now they have a better sales pitch to the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: point that Ryan made earlier, which is that, yes, the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: product's going to destroy the world, which is why you
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: need the product to prevent the product from destroying the world.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: They've created an army, and now they're saying the only
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: way to defeat that army is actually to hire our army,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: to buy our army government contracts.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Like, that is.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Self-licking ice cream cone.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Disgusting behavior.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: That's what they've designed.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: The left needs to move from its hype to lock
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: them up. The 2028 candidate needs to start locking people up.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: And maybe this is Pandora's box and it's too late,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: but people need to start being punished for this. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Bernie. Shout out to Greg Kazar, who've
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: been on it. Shout out to Abdul, who I've seen
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: really focusing on this as well. Yeah, I mean, there
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: have been some good voices, but yes, I agree, Griffin.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: We need to evolve to that position 100%.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm very scared for our internet business. You know,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: I am not a coder. We don't have an IT
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: guy on the staff. If something goes wrong, me and
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: Mac have to figure it out. I'm screwed.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Mac's a pretty good vibe coder.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: I trust Mac.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Well, okay. All right. Well, then it's all in Mac's hands.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: And if Mac can't figure it out, I'm going to
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: have to start sending the show out to people on
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: DVD again. So everyone get a DVD player. It'll be
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: like Netflix. We're going to be mailing breaking points like Netflix.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: We'll do that. We'll just go out and stand in
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: the town square and do live performances.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: This is going to turn us into open micers.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: We'll become like a roving band of performers.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Which people would love. They miss the live shows.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: We'll find our way by the stars, as Emily has indicated.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: All right. On that optimistic note, let's move on. And
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: it's our favorite time of the Friday show where we
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: answer some of your AMA questions. Let's start off with
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Evan Riley, who says, with all the AI discussion, can you,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: or if available, an expert provide some practical steps to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: safeguard your data from AI?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: We have no idea.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: You can do some basic stuff.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: What you got, Ryan?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: Well, one, you can put your devices, if you want
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: to get hardcore, put your devices on lockdown mode if
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: you use Apple. I don't know. Apple products. I'm not
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: sure what they have on the Android side there. But
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: also you should be using an authenticator app. Like too
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: many people are still, by now everybody understands you got
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: to do two factor, right?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: I just don't believe that's going to stop these super
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: intelligent AIs.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: All right. Griffin is one of your first targets.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Griffin, password 12345.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: If Griffin gets hacked.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: We all get hacked.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about what I do, but there are
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: authenticator apps out there that are good for two-factor so
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: that they can't basically steal, get a SIM and steal
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: your phone number so that they can then They can
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: get through the two-factor that uses mobile or email much
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: more easily than they can in an authenticator app. My
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: point about Griffin making himself a target here, you guys
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: know the joke about the two guys who are at
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: a campsite and there's a bear.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: And you only have to run faster than the other guy.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the guy's lacing up his shoes every time. You
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: can't outrun a bear. And the guy's like, I don't
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: So all you have to do is outrun Griffin.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Now, the problem is there are now.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: Infinite bears with infinite speed. So that's a problem.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that does change the calculation there, doesn't it?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw I was reading someone online who
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: was like the authenticator app. Use like the password generator thing.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: One pass.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: One pass.
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  Speaker 4: Let them generate the passwords.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Do all that. And it's really easy. It's not it's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: not that hard. Like authenticator app. One pass or some
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: other password app that then generates brand new passwords for
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: everything you use. Stop using the same password for everything.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, the problem is going to be when they
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 6: get around those security things. They find ways to get
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: around any authentication anyway.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Well, let's not go full nihilist.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: We can do what we can do, and it may
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: or may not be sufficient, but at least we won't
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: be the easiest targets to pick off.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: How about that?
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: It's like the image of when people are like it's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: like the lock on the door held by like a Cheeto.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Like to me, that's that's two factor authentication at this point.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: So you have none?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do it. But it was your email
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: on one side. You give them your number on the other.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: So don't do that. Use the authenticator app.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: OK. Gotcha.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: Gotcha.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Gotcha. Gotcha.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you guys see one of the hacks was
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: of signal and some sort of bug that can make
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: it so that it leaves your mic and your camera
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: on after you've hung up the call? Oh, that was
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: a bad one. That's a really bad one.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: Start start taping your webcams or have a business business
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: computer and personal computer.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: It's so bad, though. I mean, we freaking carry these
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: around everywhere with us. And so we carry a literal
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: camera and microphone around with us everywhere we go.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Connected straight back to the oligarch database.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great. It's not great out there, folks.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: But do what you can do. At least you won't
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: be the first wave of targets. And maybe they'll start
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: taking things seriously before they get to you then.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: This next one for BP from the surprising TYT documentary
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: revealing Lindsey Graham as gay. Will BP create one about
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: a closeted bisexual president? He hides it so well from
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: loving musicals to objectifying men's bodies.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: We should.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I was thinking yesterday, I was thinking to tweet out like,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: I've got a hot scoop on how Sagar and Jenny
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: actually really hates weed.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is like surprising documentary. You know
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: what would have been more surprising? If the documentary revealed
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Lindsay was straight. Like they're like, we had him hooking
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: up with women. That would have been more surprising.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what's hilarious? Kyle and I interviewed Tim
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Miller yesterday from The Bulwark. We got, by the way,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: plug for that because we got into all the, like,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: left liberal drama stuff.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, good.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: So people will probably enjoy it. But anyway, at the beginning,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: we were just gossiping about Lindsey Graham. And I was
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: about to make the obvious joke of, like, oh, my God,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: who could have seen this coming? But Tim jumped in
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: and was like, I actually thought he was straight because
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: I hung out with him at a bar one time
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: and he didn't hit on me. He's like, I actually
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: am the one person who is a little bit shocked.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Or Tim.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: The old ego is taking a hit there.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Tim, you've aged out. Tim was flirting poorly. No, Tim's
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: aged out. Tim, if you're listening. Look at the guys
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: from the doc. You know, I think Tim is.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: I think this was a while ago.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: This was a while.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim would have been in his Republican era, you know.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his 20s and 30s.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: Julian said he was still hitting on him. And Julian's
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: more in his age category.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: Demographic.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Now, that's what I was going to say. I did
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: a piece on this.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 6: And I think the problem with that documentary is they
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: do have this massive claim, which is that Lindsey Graham
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: taped sex with a man who says he was underage. Now,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: he said he told Lindsey Graham at the time he
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: was 18. But that if you have like news judgment,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: you realize that's the whole ballgame. Like these people who
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: have already made comments about being hired to have sex
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: with Lindsey Graham. The documentary should center around this brand
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: new piece of information, which is that he potentially taped
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: himself having sex with somebody who was underage. And that's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: before he gets into the Senate. And then there's possibly
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 6: this blackmail that's spinning around out there. so i think
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: the documentary didn't do itself any favors by not like
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: they kind of buried the lead that was literally the
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: last interview yeah but it's just a claim though yeah
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 6: but it was backed up by documentation so yeah it
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: is just a claim but if you're gonna have someone
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: go on the record with a major claim like that
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: you should make the lead of the documentary anyway.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: It's also a bit grandiose to call it closetocracy when
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: you're just talking about one dude who we.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: All already knew was gay. Who's not there anymore.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: And who's dead. Yes.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: All of that.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: If I want, yeah, if we're going to get a documentary,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: I want to know how he died. Like, that's the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: rabbit hole, the conspiracy theory.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Now we're talking. That's true. Now we're talking.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: I know enough about how he lived. Don't need to
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: know anymore.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: And to the point of this closeted bisexual president, it
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: does seem like every rally now and it's almost a
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: little tired. But Trump is basically just like, I'm attracted
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: to these guys. Yeah, he's very out. He's very out.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: And it had me thinking. Our second president. Our second.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: That's right. You guess who the first one was?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: James Buchanan.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: James Buchanan.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the way that Eisenhower serves? The
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: way that Eisenhower serves, you could, oh, well, Abraham Lincoln,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: there's really something to that one.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: There is.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: No, there actually is.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: But it had me thinking about if Trump somehow lives
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: and continues like surviving, not just through 2028, but maybe
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: even like a 2032, just how disintegrated his mind will
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: be at that point that he will just be just
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: like moaning and commenting and all these Republican primary presidential
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: candidates and just talking about their looks.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: How advanced will the gay dementia be by that point?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: It's just going to be unreal.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: He will be with us for another 100 years.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: I see. Emily, I totally agree with you. Kyle is
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: all in on the like the health thing and the
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: hands and all this. And I'm like, you are fooling yourself.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: This man is never going to die.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: He will never die.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: He's too powerful.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: He has made a deal with the devil and he
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: is going to be with us forever. That is how
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: this is going down.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 6: How is he not ailing right now with his diet?
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: He is ailing.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Physically, he's not. He looks fine.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: Have you heard the sounds that he's making now?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: I know he is.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: There's a sound that he keeps making. He's like... I know,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: But he should be in a wheelchair. He should be
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: in a wheelchair. That's all I'm saying. Based on diet
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: and lack of exercise, he should be in a wheelchair
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: at this point.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm on Majority Report later, and Emma said that
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: one of the things we might talk about is the
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: weird noises he's making. So I actually hadn't tuned into
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: this particular thing to do some research.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: There are neurological analyses out there. You'll want to peruse
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: before you go on.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Kyle will be all over it. I'll just
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: ask him for some updates before I go on.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: He's doing noises like that. So I don't know what
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: that means.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: Our final question from W. Buddington. What are the host's
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: thoughts on Mehdi Hassan's interviews slash debates with Neera Tanden
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: and Matt Iglesias? Have you guys watched any of these?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: I have only watched a couple of clips. I feel
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: like if I had more time in the day, I
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: would love to like do that sort of thing.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: But it's just because it's just raw entertainment. But I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: just haven't had time to get to them.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually haven't watched it either because, I don't know,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: I just, like.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: I.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Know Mehdi, I'm sure, did a fantastic job because that's
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: just what he does, but I'm also just... Like, I'm
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: very familiar with the contours of this debate. I don't
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: really need any education on it, so it hasn't made
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: it into my playlist either yet.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's... Go ahead, Ryan.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, the commenter says, I'd probably agree more with
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: Mehdi on most issues, but I think he's doing a real...
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: disservice to the moderate versus progressive conversation by being overly
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: personal with these interviews slash debates. Emily, what do you
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: think about that?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched the debates.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Neera kind of deserves it. I know the one that
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: I did see is him talking about her bringing Netanyahu
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: In to cap. And then she was caught afterwards being like, yeah,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: it was worth it because, you know, we like got
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: some wealthy person on the board because of it. So,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's worth getting into some of those things,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: I think. And maybe that reads as personal. Maybe there
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: were other things. She's kind of personal, too, though.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: She's a big girl, man. She's she's very smart. Like,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: she's very capable. She handles herself. You know, you don't
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: need to have kid gloves there. She knows what she's doing.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: Iglesias, though, can't quite handle it. He's like basically bailing
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: on Twitter.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Iglesias has been face-planting a bit. But Nier is
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: a shooter. I got to respect her, you know? I
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: was like, she's very intelligent. And sometimes I think we
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: can make our ideological opponents stupider in our minds when
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: we're just engaging with them on Twitter. But she's very,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: very smart. She doesn't really get flustered. And, you know,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: sometimes it seemed like Maddie was the one getting a
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: little triggered. And so I think, you know, Neera has,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: it's also impressive that she's showing up to these spaces
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: where people are very, very aggressive to her and she's
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: ready to go. So I had to get some points
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: to Neera for all that.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: Ryan, you might remember this famous Real Housewives of New
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: York City quote where Kelly Ben Simone is telling Bethany Frankel, Well,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: you are in or no, it's not Kelly Ben Simone.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: It's I think it's Alexa or Alex McCord, who says, well,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: you are in high school. I am in Brooklyn. And
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: my version of that right now is, well, you are in. Well,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: you are in the.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: Medihacid near a tandem at Iglesias debate. I am in
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: PBD and Adam Friedland.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: That's the place to be. And Griffin is too. And
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Griffin is too.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: What do you want to get out of this, Emily? Like,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: what did you expect?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Fan experience.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: That's really what he said. We got to get on
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: TV sometime.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: You do.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: That's going to do it for us this Friday. I
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: hope you enjoyed the midterm madness and all of the
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: AI hacks. Hopefully the internet is still here when we're
• 1:35:00
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• 1:35:04
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• 1:35:06
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• 1:35:11
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• 1:35:36
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