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Did the Pirates do enough before the trade deadline? · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bucko Territory, presented to
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Speaker 2: you by the Foul Territory Network. I'm Noah Hiles, joining
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Speaker 2: me as always oh my co host Josh Harrison, and
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Speaker 2: Platinum Key aka Mark. We have a special Tuesday edition
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Speaker 2: of Bucko Territory, no Wednesday mail Bag this week. It's
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Speaker 2: just gonna be the Tuesday Trade deadline recap show. We
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Speaker 2: were recording this Monday evening at eight o'clock Eastern time.
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Speaker 2: I just filed my column for the Post Gazette, which
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Speaker 2: you should totally read. I also just got off a
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Speaker 2: zoom with Ben Cherrington, which all the media we're on.
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Speaker 2: Mark is just got done doing his laughs of celebration
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Speaker 2: because the Pirates finally addressed the bullpen and Josh joined
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Speaker 2: us too, so we've.
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Speaker 1: Got a lot to go on.
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Speaker 2: The Pirates made three really interesting moves on the final
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Speaker 2: day before the deadline. They acquired Luke Weaver, they acquired Kirbyates,
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Speaker 2: and they acquired Lake Boker. We're gonna break down all
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Speaker 2: three of those moves, but before we do, guys just
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Speaker 2: want to get your overall thoughts on the Pirates trade
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Speaker 2: deadline activities. They in the end add four right handers
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Speaker 2: to this bullpen. Looks like Carmon Machinsky's moving to the
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Speaker 2: starting rotation now that Mitch Keller, as they just announced,
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Speaker 2: will be out for the rest of the year. So guys,
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Speaker 2: what do you think for new righties? It's a brand
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Speaker 2: new bullpen for this team.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 4: It It needed some rewiring, and you know, I think
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Speaker 4: they addressed in a lot of ways. And as you mentioned,
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Speaker 4: Mitch Keller went you know, went down, so I think
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Speaker 4: that also boosted it. Knowing that, you know, given you know,
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Speaker 4: what Mitch was undergoing, they addressed the need. And when
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Speaker 4: I saw the moves come across, it was, you know,
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Speaker 4: pretty exciting to see, you know, them making some moves.
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Speaker 5: Obviously to a US a bullpen that needed some help.
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Speaker 4: So initial reaction was, Okay, they addressed something that was
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Speaker 4: a dire need from the beginning, and we'll see how
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Speaker 4: itppens out. But first, first initial reaction was they got
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Speaker 4: some guys that you know, definitely pick your interest.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really happy. It was a bit of a
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Speaker 3: stressful day just because the pirates waited until quite literally
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Speaker 3: almost the last minute, and so you're sitting there just
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Speaker 3: being like, are are they gonna make a move. You're
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Speaker 3: seeing all these other trades happen. The stove was really hot,
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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you start hearing the rumors like, oh,
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Speaker 3: Luke Weaver, Pirates getting close, and then it happened, and
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Speaker 3: I am just I'm over the moon right now. This
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Speaker 3: this bullpen needed a shot in the arm. They got
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Speaker 3: three of them and four of them if you're counting
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Speaker 3: to vall as well, so it's completely revamped. Like you said, Noah,
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Speaker 3: very very exciting from a Pirates fan perspective. I've seen
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Speaker 3: a lot of people that are very very pleasantly surprised,
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Speaker 3: or not surprised but pleased, I should say, with how
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Speaker 3: this trade deadline went. Maybe one piece short, like if
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Speaker 3: you wanted a bat, but I mean, if you're gonna
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Speaker 3: miss on one thing, you couldn't miss on the bullpen
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Speaker 3: and getting Luke Weaver to add to this back end,
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Speaker 3: just yeah, that's gonna be a huge help. Or are
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Speaker 3: your thoughts Noah, Yeah, I just.
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Speaker 1: I mean overall, I agree.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the only thing that keeps this
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Speaker 2: from an A plus is the fact that they didn't
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Speaker 2: add a starter, although they technically did with Carmen exactly right,
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Speaker 2: and they added so many right handers that, like, I
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Speaker 2: don't see how you could have kept Carmen in the
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Speaker 2: bullpen with all of this else.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they could have, but they would have had
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Speaker 1: to use them in a role anyway. So there's that
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Speaker 1: part of it. But also just like looking what they
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Speaker 1: gave up.
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Speaker 2: I wrote about this extensively, and I also I feel,
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Speaker 2: like we've talked about on the show last year, one
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Speaker 2: of their top priorities at the deadline was just strength
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Speaker 2: than the lower levels of the farm system, and a
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Speaker 2: handful of prospects that they acquired last year at last
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Speaker 2: year's deadline were used to make this year's team better,
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Speaker 2: the most notable being Sammy Stefora, the number nine prospect.
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Speaker 2: The only top ten prospect that they moved was used
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Speaker 2: to acquire Luke Weaver, and the Mets liked this guy
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Speaker 2: so much that they ate a huge chunk of weavers
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Speaker 2: salary to get him. And if I told you at
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Speaker 2: the beginning of July that this is what they would
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Speaker 2: get without giving up only you know two of their
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Speaker 2: top twenty. The other guy was Omar Alfonso and the
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Speaker 2: Deval deal and Alfonso's going to be Rule five eligible
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Speaker 2: at the end of this year, and he was not
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Speaker 2: getting added to this forty man so they were going
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Speaker 2: to lose him anyway, potentially to the Rule five draft.
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Speaker 2: And then everything else. I mean, one of the guys
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Speaker 2: in the Bednar return went in the Bocker package, and
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Speaker 2: I just and they essentially flipped Alika Williams for Kirby Yates.
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Speaker 2: The guy that they got in return for Alika Williams
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Speaker 2: is what they used to get the one rental player here.
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Speaker 3: For Luke Weaver.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to Brian Hayes for Luke Weaver is a remarkable return.
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Speaker 2: But overall, you look at it, you give up hardly
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Speaker 2: anything from your farm system, and the one significant prospect
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Speaker 2: that you did give up is a shortstop.
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Speaker 1: You got shortstop covered for a long time, so.
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Speaker 2: That's gonna be okay. So you didn't give up a
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Speaker 2: lot of prospect capital. You didn't really add any salary
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Speaker 2: at all, which you know some fans can take a
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Speaker 2: gripe with. But overall, I mean, they kind of did
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Speaker 2: it efficiently at least, and yeah, they followed their plan
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Speaker 2: from last year. There's just a lot to like. Three
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Speaker 2: of these four guys have at least one more year
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Speaker 2: of remaining control. Bokers under control through twenty thirty, and
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Speaker 2: three of these four guys have pitched in the postseason,
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Speaker 2: which is the clear goal that they have now backed
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Speaker 2: up twice, once in the offseason and once in the
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Speaker 2: regular season now with this trade deadline. So that's my
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Speaker 2: analysis on the overall thing. But really what makes this
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Speaker 2: a good deadline for the Pirates is Luke Weaver. If
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Speaker 2: they get Baker and if they get Yates and Dovall,
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Speaker 2: you feel fine. But Baker's able to be what Boker's
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Speaker 2: going to be, which is essentially last year's Karmen Majinski,
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Speaker 2: and Yates is able to be essentially a right handed
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Speaker 2: version of Sodo, and Dovaal is able to be the
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Speaker 2: project that he's supposed to be rather than a guy
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Speaker 2: that you're forcing into a high leverage role.
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Speaker 1: Because you went and acquired probably the best relief.
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Speaker 3: Pitcher that was doubt about to say.
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Speaker 2: And we already talked about the package, but I mean
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Speaker 2: they they literally, I mean you could have gone gotten better, obviously,
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Speaker 2: like you could have got Mason Miller.
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Speaker 1: You could have.
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Speaker 2: As far as everyone who has moved, I don't see
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Speaker 2: a reliever that was moved that I like more than
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Speaker 2: Luke Weaver. And the fact that you're paying him the
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Speaker 2: league minimum for the remainder of this year, and you're
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Speaker 2: gonna pay him less money next year than what you're
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Speaker 2: paying Gregory Soto this year. That is a dream scenario.
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Speaker 2: That is a dream trade win for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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Speaker 2: Even if Sammy Stefora pans out to be a really
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Speaker 2: good player, I have a hard time imagining he's going
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Speaker 2: to be better than Connor Griffin. So overall, that is
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Speaker 2: a massive win for the Pirates. And that's all I
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Speaker 2: have to say on Weaver.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when we brought up Weaver on the show earlier
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Speaker 3: as a potential trade target for the Pirates, we all
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Speaker 3: glow loved it. Obviously really talented, but we said there's
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Speaker 3: twelve and a half million reasons why it might not
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Speaker 3: make sense for the Pirates. And that was twelve and
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Speaker 3: a half million dollars that he is owed next year
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven. Now, the Mets gave what was
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Speaker 3: it like six million or something, so he's going to
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Speaker 3: be owed six and yeah year, So six and a
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Speaker 3: half million for Luke Weaver, which I mean, yeah, he's
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Speaker 3: he's on the like getting older, but still that that's
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Speaker 3: a steal for the level of production that he's been
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Speaker 3: putting up this year. So yeah, instantly address that concern. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: fantastic trade mets really really must like Sammy suffer. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he had a crazy month of July, like fourteen runs
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Speaker 3: or something, I want to say, just ridiculous. But also
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Speaker 3: that's in Greensboro where yeah a little bit easier today.
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Speaker 3: Hit home runs down there.
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Speaker 1: Sotstop in their low level, So.
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Speaker 3: That's no no, I yeah, completely agree. Yeah, but the
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Speaker 3: fact that they didn't give up anything more and got
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Speaker 3: cash back is just well done.
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Speaker 4: Ben, Yeah, that was gonna be the point that I
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Speaker 4: brung brung up because when we covered Luke Weaver, we
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Speaker 4: did say the price tag or whatever was going to
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Speaker 4: be something that they would have to get creative with.
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Speaker 4: And obviously they got creative with it was able to
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Speaker 4: make something happen, and they saw like we did and
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Speaker 4: a lot of other fans that you know, this is
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Speaker 4: a potential really good fit for Luke Weaver, and I
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Speaker 4: think a lot of people were excited for that. My
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Speaker 4: cousin had even texted me from Cleveland, you know, following
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Speaker 4: the Pirates. He said he was at work and he
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Speaker 4: was like, Weaver to the Pirates. Yeah, so people you
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Speaker 4: know that aren't even necessarily like every day Pirates fans,
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Speaker 4: you know, saw it as an exciting move.
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Speaker 5: So mm hm, kudos to that Land and Weaver.
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Speaker 1: All right, so we talked Weaver. We're going to take
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Speaker 1: a quick break.
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Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to talk Kirby Yates,
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Speaker 2: the second of the three right handers added by the
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Speaker 2: Pirates on Monday, Monday afternoon before the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: Kirby Yates was reliever number two added. I thought that
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Speaker 2: was the big move at the at.
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Speaker 1: The buzzer, Yeah, it was wrong. It got even better.
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Speaker 2: But Curbyates is a guy who has played a lot
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Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball. I mean yeah, look at his
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Speaker 2: draft year two thousand and five. That's more than twenty
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Speaker 2: years ago. And he's thirty nine years old. Veteran right hander,
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Speaker 2: a guy who you know his savant it's very hot
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Speaker 2: or cold.
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Speaker 1: He gets a lot, a lot of chase.
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Speaker 2: The numbers should probably be better what they are in
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Speaker 2: certain areas, but he's also going to.
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Speaker 1: Allow a lot of fly balls.
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Speaker 2: And you know it's hard kunkie barrelum. Yeah, in hard
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Speaker 2: contact boom or Bust. I'm not super pressed on breaking
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Speaker 2: down Kirby Yates. I feel like if you've watched Major
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Speaker 2: League baseball over the last decade, you have an idea
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Speaker 2: of what this guy can do. But one thing I'm
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Speaker 2: very interested to get is Josh's opinion on the value
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Speaker 2: that comes with adding a player like Kirby Yates to
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Speaker 2: this type of team. He's thirty nine years old, He's
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Speaker 2: played a lot of baseball, He's had success in his career,
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Speaker 2: He's pitched in the postseason. Josh, when you add that
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Speaker 2: rental veteran, everyone talks about the big sexy, you know, superstars,
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Speaker 2: and in a way they did that with Weaver, right,
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Speaker 2: they got one of the best relief pitchers in Major
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Speaker 2: League Baseball. But there is a lot of unspoken value
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Speaker 2: that doesn't show up on a savant chart or you know,
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Speaker 2: on the back of a baseball card that comes from
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Speaker 2: adding a vet who has literally seen it all. And Josh,
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Speaker 2: can you just kind of give us some context as
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Speaker 2: to what that brings to a clubhouse, especially to an
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Speaker 2: area of the team that was really lacking that confidence
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Speaker 2: and perspective.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you mentioned a guy that's been around, and
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Speaker 4: you mentioned he's seen it all, coming to a bullpen who, unfortunately, you.
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Speaker 5: Know, has had his fair share of struggles.
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Speaker 4: And when you say a guy that's seen it all,
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Speaker 4: he's also seen his fair share of struggles. But you
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Speaker 4: know what you have is a fresh face, you know,
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Speaker 4: a fresh voice that you know these guys in the
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Speaker 4: bullpen can resonate with to say, Okay, this guy's been
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Speaker 4: where we've been before, you know, so so he can
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Speaker 4: not necessarily show them the way, but you know, show
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Speaker 4: them in moments like, yeah.
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Speaker 5: Man, I've been there before.
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Speaker 4: You know, I know what it's like, you know, in
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Speaker 4: a postseason hunt, I know what it's like when you're
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Speaker 4: in these crunch time games and you know you're the
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Speaker 4: guy called upon in a bullpen struggling. You know, they
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Speaker 4: really didn't have much of that, and you know he's
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Speaker 4: gonna be a fresh face, a fresh voice that you know,
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Speaker 4: when when you can pick the brain of somebody that's
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Speaker 4: done what you're trying to do for quite a bit,
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Speaker 4: there's nothing like experience. And when you can find a
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Speaker 4: guy who's had some experience, had success, who's been through
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Speaker 4: it all, who's had some failures, what better person to
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Speaker 4: learn from than somebody that, as you have said, has
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Speaker 4: seen it all, and like you said, you know what
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Speaker 4: you're gonna.
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Speaker 5: Get with him from what I remember facing Kirby, you know.
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Speaker 4: He's got a split throws, you know, fastball, a little
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Speaker 4: bit of sinker. But with that sometimes you're gonna run
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Speaker 4: into issues where I'm sure when he's getting hit it's
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Speaker 4: probably familily being to split up because I think that's
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Speaker 4: when he got in trouble when we would face him.
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Speaker 4: But as I said, a guy who has you know,
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Speaker 4: lived and died with you know, being convicted, you know,
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Speaker 4: with his pitches, that's the reason he's been around for
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Speaker 4: that long. And you know, guys that are convicted usually
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Speaker 4: walk around with a lot of confidence. And those are
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Speaker 4: guys that you really can't get to and in a
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Speaker 4: in a bullpen that's been you know, kind of beat
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Speaker 4: up and bruised a little bit. It'll be nice to
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Speaker 4: have somebody that's like, hey, whatever's been done in the past,
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Speaker 4: trust me, there's more ahead that you know, you can
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Speaker 4: you can write the ship and you know pretty much
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Speaker 4: say what happened in the past is in the past.
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Speaker 5: That's that's tough thing for relievers to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I was just gonna say, I was
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Speaker 2: going to tee you up here as a guy who
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Speaker 2: you know has played a little less Major League Baseball
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Speaker 2: than Josh. I know you can't really follow with that
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Speaker 2: type of perspective, but just overall your thoughts on just
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Speaker 2: what he could provide to this team as far as
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Speaker 2: you know what you see on the statue, Josh gave
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Speaker 2: the off the field stuff, the plubhouse stuff, But like,
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Speaker 2: what do you think he adds as far as what
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Speaker 2: the numbers show?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, pull back up his stackcast page here. The chaf
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Speaker 3: and chase and with percentage are what jump out of me.
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Speaker 3: I mean he is looking for strikeouts and if that's
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Speaker 3: that's how he's going to pitch.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Really nice to have a guy in your bullpen who's
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Speaker 3: gonna have that kind of k rate that you can
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Speaker 3: go to. Like if you have runners on and you
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Speaker 3: need a guy who's gonna get strikeouts, you can turn
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Speaker 3: to Kirby and go, hey, you're you have eleven plus
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Speaker 3: years of service time, you've done this before. You can
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Speaker 3: trust him and rely on him. So I really like
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Speaker 3: the move. I think you guys hit the nail on
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Speaker 3: the head talking about just bringing the veteran leadership aspect,
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Speaker 3: because if you look at this Bullpen, I mean they're
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Speaker 3: just really wasn't a lot of that at all, and
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Speaker 3: the guys who have been there, you know, have been struggling,
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Speaker 3: Like Dennis Santana, he's gone now. He was probably one
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Speaker 3: of your leaders, Johan Santana or Johan Johann Ramirez as
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Speaker 3: like he's always happy, like go lucky, but like I
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Speaker 3: don't know if you're looking at him as like you're
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Speaker 3: the leader of your like or Bullpen. So yeah, it's
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Speaker 3: bringing that kind of voice, like Joshua saying, I think
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Speaker 3: even as a fan, you can just recognize, like in
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Speaker 3: your own life, you've seen people that have that kind
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Speaker 3: of experience that have been through the Ringer and can
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Speaker 3: help you. Now I have to learn those mistakes on
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Speaker 3: your own, if you will. So yeah, really looking forward
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Speaker 3: to seeing what Kirby can bring you. Found thoughts on.
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Speaker 2: Him, No, Yeah, I just kind of look at it
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Speaker 2: like you look at his stats, Like two years ago,
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Speaker 2: I think he had thirty three saves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah really really yeah, and that's not the player the
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Speaker 1: Pirates are acquiring anymore.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we at.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just need average relief pitching, and that's what
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Speaker 2: this guy is. He's an average reliever, he's a seventh
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Speaker 2: inning guy. He's a second right handed option, you know,
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Speaker 2: because if they want to use Weaver as your traditional
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Speaker 2: ninth inning guy, which I wouldn't be opposed to doing.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be like I'm lobbying for
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Speaker 1: that to be the thing that they use or the
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Speaker 1: way they use him.
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Speaker 2: But if he is, you now have like I said,
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Speaker 2: I think he's just a right handed greg and Sodo
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Speaker 2: probably in an eighth inning role or eighth inning if
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of lefties coming up, makes sense. In
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Speaker 2: the same thing for Yates, and especially now that you
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Speaker 2: have other options, you can use Montgomery or Balker, who
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about next They have just so
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Speaker 2: many more options, and he's just one of many options.
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Speaker 1: If it was just him, don't love it.
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Speaker 2: But the fact that he's one of a whole bunch
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Speaker 2: of options that makes this team.
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Speaker 1: A lot better.
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Speaker 3: He's an improved up, yeah.
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Speaker 1: For sure.
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Speaker 1: Mark. I'm not even gonna play the clip. Just play
18:50
Speaker 1: the clip.
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Speaker 5: Amazing.
18:51
Speaker 2: So Lake Boker, if it happens, you heard it here
18:54
Speaker 2: from Yeah, I will take the most nauseating.
19:02
Speaker 3: You'll be watching this. I know his Twitter right now, Yeah,
19:05
Speaker 3: I'll be.
19:05
Speaker 2: I'll be calling everyone I know in that front office
19:08
Speaker 2: being like I.
19:08
Speaker 3: Deserve you guys, got this from me, just so you do.
19:12
Speaker 1: And I want to be abundantly clear.
19:14
Speaker 2: I have not talked to anyone in any baseball organization
19:18
Speaker 2: ever about Lake Boker. I have never had one conversation.
19:23
Speaker 2: I just watched him against the Pirates last year on
19:25
Speaker 2: Opening Day and I said that name rules, and I
19:27
Speaker 2: look into him and I can't get him out of
19:29
Speaker 2: my mind. He's just my favorite player that no one
19:32
Speaker 2: else talks about in baseball. Go get Lake Balker. Forget
19:35
Speaker 2: Jose Soriano, forget Sensor, Willie Castro or Jeffers.
19:39
Speaker 1: This is the Lake Balker episode.
19:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, Yeah, yes, perfect and yeah, Buddy Keby, Oh.
19:53
Speaker 1: My god, I listen to the Lake episode.
19:57
Speaker 2: I just cannot believe it, like that was one where again,
20:03
Speaker 2: like I do talk like in our group chat, I
20:06
Speaker 2: share some information with Josh and Mark that some things
20:10
Speaker 2: I don't even report just because I get told stuff
20:13
Speaker 2: on background or off the record, that it's just kind
20:16
Speaker 2: of like, you know, like just just to know maybe
20:18
Speaker 2: to keep me informed that if it does happened, I
20:21
Speaker 2: have some like background texts. And that's that's not me
20:25
Speaker 2: like saying that I'm doing anything different. That's how it
20:28
Speaker 2: works for a lot of people who report and cover
20:30
Speaker 2: a team for multiple years. I had nothing like, not
20:36
Speaker 2: once had I ever been tipped off that the pirates
20:39
Speaker 2: are interested in this guy.
20:41
Speaker 1: And I said that in that clip. I said that
20:43
Speaker 1: on that episode I will be accountable here.
20:46
Speaker 2: I think I did say that I'd be willing to
20:48
Speaker 2: move as Rwin Valdez.
20:49
Speaker 3: That was me, Uh yeah, that was that was me.
20:53
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing. Here's the thing.
20:56
Speaker 8: Valdez Valdez, he I mean, yeah, I don't even think
21:00
Speaker 8: he was in the major leagues, no way, for he
21:07
Speaker 8: was not that version of Valdez.
21:09
Speaker 1: So I'll give I'll give us a pass there. And overall,
21:13
Speaker 1: it's just it's just funny. It's just funny.
21:16
Speaker 2: I'm not what's in my muscle saying I do think
21:19
Speaker 2: I know a decent amount about major League Baseball. This
21:22
Speaker 2: is just a shot in the dark for like, it
21:26
Speaker 2: just it's it's it's no different than anyone who watches
21:29
Speaker 2: this show who comments their trade deadline targets. But I mean,
21:34
Speaker 2: this was a sick o pool. This was a sick
21:36
Speaker 2: pool again, and man, it's just great. It feels like
21:39
Speaker 2: when you pick the sixteen seed to win in March. Matt, Yes,
21:42
Speaker 2: that's what that feels like for me. But in reality,
21:45
Speaker 2: all jokes aside, all you know, all Noah Hyle's victory.
21:49
Speaker 1: Lap put to the side here.
21:51
Speaker 2: This was a really good addition for the Pirates for
21:53
Speaker 2: considering a what they gave up. They didn't give up
21:57
Speaker 2: anything for this guy. He's got so much club control.
22:00
Speaker 2: And ben Cherrington even said in his you know post
22:04
Speaker 2: deadline zoom, which of course I had to be the
22:06
Speaker 2: one to ask about Lake Balker, like there was just
22:08
Speaker 2: no way anyone else was going to get that question
22:10
Speaker 2: in before me. But he kind of noted, He's like,
22:13
Speaker 2: this is a guy who's going to be used probably
22:16
Speaker 2: in a similar way to how Karmen Majinsky was used,
22:19
Speaker 2: I would say in twenty twenty four, is probably the
22:21
Speaker 2: best comp.
22:22
Speaker 1: You can see him give multiple innings.
22:25
Speaker 2: He's gone as many as three ups regularly with the
22:27
Speaker 2: Miami Marlins.
22:28
Speaker 1: He can also pitch in high leverage.
22:30
Speaker 2: And this is a young youngish I mean, he's not
22:33
Speaker 2: super young, but he's not old. And he has so
22:35
Speaker 2: much control where you can develop this guy and use
22:38
Speaker 2: him however you want. Maybe you move him into the
22:40
Speaker 2: rotation later, maybe you move him toward the back end
22:43
Speaker 2: of the bullpen. That's probably where he's trending. But there's
22:46
Speaker 2: so much raw potential here. And again, he's not amazing,
22:49
Speaker 2: but he Lake Baker would have been the best right
22:53
Speaker 2: handed reliever in this volume if he was added just
22:57
Speaker 2: a day before they acquired Luke Weaver.
22:59
Speaker 1: He's good.
23:00
Speaker 2: He's not amazing, but he is a good pitcher and
23:03
Speaker 2: he's gonna be here for the rest of the decade,
23:05
Speaker 2: or he has the opportunity to be right for the
23:07
Speaker 2: rest of the decade. This was a really nice last
23:09
Speaker 2: second pick up for the Pirates.
23:12
Speaker 3: Great great buzz.
23:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you said, Sidney some good arms, and they
23:17
Speaker 4: addressed that. And as you mentioned, he's got some club
23:20
Speaker 4: control and it's pitched well.
23:22
Speaker 5: And and your.
23:23
Speaker 4: Eyes as you said, they didn't give up much, So
23:25
Speaker 4: what's there not to like really helped this bullpen helped
23:28
Speaker 4: this team, you know, with you know, some some of
23:32
Speaker 4: some options in the bullpen to really you know say that, hey, guys,
23:36
Speaker 4: we're not just making trades to make trades. I think
23:39
Speaker 4: these were some additions that compliment each other really well.
23:42
Speaker 4: And bullpen was a big need and it wasn't just
23:46
Speaker 4: one or two arms as you mentioned four over the
23:48
Speaker 4: course of you know, the past week or so.
23:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, and getting him for only Brandon Badoit basically and
23:56
Speaker 3: the other two guys, I think we're like in like
23:58
Speaker 3: like the Florida like yeah, yeah, like yeah, and so
24:02
Speaker 3: easy easy, uh trade because he's giving you way more
24:05
Speaker 3: than Brandon Bajua is gonna give and he basically has
24:08
Speaker 3: the same level of team control.
24:10
Speaker 5: Uh.
24:10
Speaker 3: So Yeah, I absolutely love this move, not just because
24:14
Speaker 3: Lake Baker is an awesome name that looks really cool
24:18
Speaker 3: and it's a sicko pole for my podcast co host here,
24:21
Speaker 3: which by the way, just like it's one thing that
24:23
Speaker 3: nail like a trade prediction, Like I'd like this is
24:26
Speaker 3: a trade target the party get Hey, they actually went
24:28
Speaker 3: out and got him. That's cool. It's another thing when
24:30
Speaker 3: that guy is Lake freaking Baker, a guy who I
24:34
Speaker 3: had never heard of. I think we mentioned on the episode,
24:36
Speaker 3: like five hundred people listening to this, probably one might
24:40
Speaker 3: know him, and they're lying like, yeah, no, it's just
24:43
Speaker 3: insane insane pool. So yeah, major major props, noah. But yeah,
24:47
Speaker 3: it also helps this bull fan out of a time.
24:49
Speaker 3: So I love the move.
24:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep.
24:52
Speaker 4: And I like how you said he's he's already been
24:54
Speaker 4: familiar with, you know, multiple ups and experienced at a
25:00
Speaker 4: bit of everything in that bullpen, you know, as far
25:02
Speaker 4: as trending tourist to back end son as a guy
25:06
Speaker 4: that you know is.
25:07
Speaker 5: Going to compliment those other arms. But uh, as I
25:10
Speaker 5: said on there, the name's got a ring to it.
25:12
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, welcome to.
25:15
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25:17
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25:19
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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of good stuff. And gosh, dang it,
25:48
Speaker 1: if Lake Baker isn't replacing Andrew.
25:50
Speaker 2: Mccutton on that, I think I told him he could
25:53
Speaker 2: do that. I think I said that on the well
25:55
Speaker 2: the episode where we talked about him. So now we
25:58
Speaker 2: we have to make that happen.
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Speaker 1: Guys. Any final thoughts before we wrap it up?
26:04
Speaker 3: Uh? Just great, great deadline. Yeah, this day was a whirlwind,
26:09
Speaker 3: especially just like the last few hours right before wait move.
26:15
Speaker 3: Just love seeing this bullpen get a nice shot in
26:18
Speaker 3: the arm. Really needed it. Things feel good after a terrible,
26:22
Speaker 3: terrible series in Cincinnati. I feel like it. It feels
26:25
Speaker 3: all right to be a Pirates fan. You're looking better
26:28
Speaker 3: after this deadline now, Josh, anything else now?
26:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing really other than a dressed the bullpen in
26:35
Speaker 4: a major way. And as you said, it's time to
26:40
Speaker 4: go all this is behind everybody now.
26:42
Speaker 5: You know the.
26:43
Speaker 4: Anxiety of okay, who's going to be traded? Now, it's
26:46
Speaker 4: time to just strap it up and say this is
26:48
Speaker 4: our guys, this is what we got let's go do
26:50
Speaker 4: what we need to do.
26:51
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah.
26:53
Speaker 2: My final thought would just be this today, a lot
26:57
Speaker 2: of teams in the wild There were a handful of
26:59
Speaker 2: teams in the wild card rate, including a couple of
27:01
Speaker 2: clubs who were ahead of the Pirates in the standings
27:03
Speaker 2: that waved the white flag. Yep, they gave up, and
27:07
Speaker 2: I mean they're gonna keep fighting, but they sold it
27:09
Speaker 2: the deadline. One team sold an All star, another team,
27:12
Speaker 2: I mean another team sold a good relief pitcher to
27:17
Speaker 2: a team chasing it in the standings.
27:20
Speaker 1: And while that was happening, the Pirates did not sell
27:22
Speaker 1: away anything.
27:23
Speaker 2: They didn't give away any part of their future, and
27:25
Speaker 2: they didn't give away any part of their present. And
27:27
Speaker 2: I think that that deserves to be commended if you
27:29
Speaker 2: want to, you know, have a great with ownership that
27:32
Speaker 2: maybe they couldn't add payroll, because I mean, they really
27:34
Speaker 2: didn't add a lot of money to this year's salary.
27:37
Speaker 2: Buckers pre arb Yates is on an expiring deal and
27:42
Speaker 2: they're paying Leaver like nothing an the Yankees even eight
27:46
Speaker 2: salary for Devolph.
27:47
Speaker 1: That's a legitimate right.
27:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
27:49
Speaker 2: The front office, I feel like did the best it
27:51
Speaker 2: absolutely could do this deadline, and so fans should be
27:56
Speaker 2: pumped about that, and just objectively speaking, like I think
28:00
Speaker 2: the fans should be pumped about that. And I also
28:03
Speaker 2: think now it's on the players that were here prior
28:07
Speaker 2: to this week.
28:09
Speaker 1: You got the help you needed. The lineup has found
28:11
Speaker 1: a way to produce with injuries.
28:15
Speaker 2: You gotta figure out a way to hit these lefties
28:16
Speaker 2: now in the starting rotation.
28:18
Speaker 1: It's on your shoulders.
28:19
Speaker 2: You only have to get the game to the sixth
28:21
Speaker 2: inning because your bullpen is better. Your bullpen has enough
28:24
Speaker 2: options where four out of five times it should be
28:26
Speaker 2: able to finish the job. If you get at the
28:28
Speaker 2: ball to the seventh, get it through the sixth and
28:30
Speaker 2: you're gonna be okay now and we'll see what happens.
28:34
Speaker 2: It should be a very fun August in September. So
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