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Fridays with Jack WIndsor · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Pressnetwork dot com where you find Jack Windsor and the
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  Speaker 1: reporting that he posts and the reporting that he does himself.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor's good to have you.
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  Speaker 2: On, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: It's always an honor and a pleasure to be here
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  Speaker 3: with you and Joe in the fifty five kr SEE family.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. Front page of the High Press Network
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Watch Daily Wire investigative reporter who revealed billions
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  Speaker 1: in alleged Ohio Medicaid fraud reacts to a Hio Press
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  Speaker 1: core bias. I just had Luke on the program. Luke Rosiak,
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  Speaker 1: the reporter from Daily Wire who blew the lid off
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  Speaker 1: of this. Apparently he's a man in demand after revealing
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  Speaker 1: this to everybody, everybody wants to talk to Luke. I
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  Speaker 1: was glad to have him on. I guess let me
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  Speaker 1: just ask you. We're going to cut to the last
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  Speaker 1: question I asked him, which is motive. We went through
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  Speaker 1: the details on this. The EVV was shut off. Governor
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  Speaker 1: de Wine said, no, you don't have to do electronic
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  Speaker 1: verification to approve that there was a person in your
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  Speaker 1: home at the time they claim they were providing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the bedmaking service or whatever in home care that the
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  Speaker 1: Medicaid recipient was getting. So there's that big question mark.
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  Speaker 1: The law from twenty six team that established this required
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  Speaker 1: electronic verification. So if the federal law says it, why
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  Speaker 1: did we shut it down? What was the motive behind that?
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  Speaker 3: That is a great question. By the way, Luke Rosiac
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  Speaker 3: is a rock star. It was awesome to meet him
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  Speaker 3: and talk with him, and he's doing God's work, So kudos.
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  Speaker 3: You know, here's the best that I can make of
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  Speaker 3: it based on my limited investigation scope.
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  Speaker 2: Now I've done a lot, going to do more.
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  Speaker 3: But here's what the press is not talking about, and
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  Speaker 3: maybe we'll talk about that a little bit too. The
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  Speaker 3: press is very when I say the press, the mainstream
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  Speaker 3: press is very comfortable saying, oh, well, there's no problem.
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  Speaker 3: Oh there's a problem. It's a Republican problem. And that's
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  Speaker 3: about where their curiosity ends. And when they do that,
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  Speaker 3: what they're missing is the opportunity to answer the question
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  Speaker 3: you're asking, which is legitimate, because this is not just
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  Speaker 3: an Ohio problem. They're forty to in other states. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to have to deal with this, and there are
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  Speaker 3: some that are. But here's what I've been able to determine.
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  Speaker 3: This is a bureaucracy. Is this is happening in blue states.
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  Speaker 3: This is happening in red states. And as Luke would
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  Speaker 3: say to you, the Red states seem more concerned and
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  Speaker 3: more ready to solve the issue, solve the problem, whereas
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  Speaker 3: Blue states like California and New York are actually going
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  Speaker 3: to deny that there's an issue and then try to
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  Speaker 3: tie it up in courts or with legislation.
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  Speaker 2: But here's what I think it is.
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  Speaker 3: I think you have a mindset that says, well, the
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  Speaker 3: more money we have in the system, the more people
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  Speaker 3: were helping, right, And if you try to provide any oversight,
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  Speaker 3: and if there is a challenge, let's say a whistleblower
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  Speaker 3: comes forward, then all of a sudden, that whistleblower might
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  Speaker 3: provide information and it might lead to prosecutions, and that
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  Speaker 3: would bring the focus back to the bureaucrats. And so
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  Speaker 3: the bureaucrats go, well, we don't want.
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  Speaker 2: The focus on us.
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  Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, many of them are also
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  Speaker 3: public union government union members. So you have the bureaucracy,
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  Speaker 3: you have the public union, and they all kind of
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  Speaker 3: protect themselves, and so I think part of it is
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  Speaker 3: they don't want the blowback on themselves. And then let's
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  Speaker 3: just not forget the super majority of those folks don't
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  Speaker 3: vote for the Red team.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and of course that's true.
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  Speaker 1: But as I was contemplating the Blue states not wanting
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  Speaker 1: to do anything to solve the fraud problem, I can
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  Speaker 1: imagine a scenario where they might find that beneficial to them.
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  Speaker 1: They're also the ones that will want to allow illegal
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  Speaker 1: immigrants to vote in federal elections. They don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do anything with regard to safeguarding the ballot, so the
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  Speaker 1: farious elements there. Perhaps why might a red state want
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  Speaker 1: to pursue that particular attitude as well? Maybe it's the
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  Speaker 1: point you made the bureaucrats are part of the Blue team,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe there's something to farious in connection with the
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  Speaker 1: man who's running the state of Ohio along those lines.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Governor Dwine ever met a government
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  Speaker 3: program that he didn't like. There is this era about
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  Speaker 3: him that he pretends to be this benevolent grandpa that
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  Speaker 3: he's going to fix everything, and therein I think, is
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  Speaker 3: the mindset that I'm talking about. His mindset is Look,
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  Speaker 3: if we have more money flowing through the system.
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  Speaker 2: We're helping more people.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, there's a really negative long term consequence to
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  Speaker 3: people being on the government rolls. That's one issue. The
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  Speaker 3: second issue is if you have a ton of money
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  Speaker 3: flowing through the system, like forty seven billion dollars in Ohio,
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  Speaker 3: even ten percent, right, and by the way, the Ohio
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  Speaker 3: auditor found a fault rate of about fifteen point eight percent.
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  Speaker 3: But even at ten percent, Brian, we're talking about four
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  Speaker 3: billion dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: And the idea though that the more money is helping
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  Speaker 1: more people, I mean, proven to be nonsense based upon
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  Speaker 1: the reporting on all this. But if there's no oversight,
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  Speaker 1: then the people you think need the money aren't getting it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not doing what you purport to want
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  Speaker 1: to do with this.
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, I would encourage, and I'm sorry to give
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  Speaker 3: a plug for myself here, I would encourage the listeners
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  Speaker 3: to go to the Ohio pres network dot com. Type
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  Speaker 3: in Mike Devilla six billion dollars. Read that report. Because
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  Speaker 3: in the report that I published over a year ago,
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  Speaker 3: which by the way, no one in the mainstream wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do a damn thing about republishing. You can see
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  Speaker 3: the reaction, the response from then Director of Ohio Medicaid
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  Speaker 3: Maureene Corcoran, who basically looked at Mike Deavilla and patted
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  Speaker 3: him on the head and said, oh, look at you,
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  Speaker 3: you're so cute. You really don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing to see here. It was gross, it was egregious,
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  Speaker 3: and it actually led to her being resigning, which I
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  Speaker 3: think is Diwine nicely saying you can go ahead and
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  Speaker 3: step aside, or we can fire you.
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  Speaker 2: But there is just.
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  Speaker 3: This mindset that, well, you don't know any better. We
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  Speaker 3: know better, and we're just going to push money through
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  Speaker 3: the system. We're doing the best that we can, so
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  Speaker 3: you just have to deal with it. And remember when
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  Speaker 3: DeWine was first quizzed about.
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  Speaker 2: This, Yeah, we what cost to do.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, It's only billions of dollars. Jack
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  Speaker 1: windsor the Ohio Pressnetwork dot Com. Don't go away. We
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  Speaker 1: got more to talk about on this subject, as well
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  Speaker 1: as can you do that a voter ide amendment in
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  Speaker 1: the state constitution bill looks.
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  Speaker 2: At you talk station.
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  Speaker 1: It's eight forty fifty five cars, you talk toation Brian
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  Speaker 1: Thomas w Jackwindsor the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com, and I
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  Speaker 1: encourage you to bookmark that page too, like I do.
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  Speaker 1: Check out what Jack's talking about each and every day,
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  Speaker 1: and tune into the Morning Show every Friday at eight
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  Speaker 1: thirty and we'll talk together about that Jack Windsor. Moving
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  Speaker 1: away from whatever Governor Wine was thinking when he got
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  Speaker 1: rid of all the safeguards and protected us from fraud,
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  Speaker 1: waste and abuse, pivoting over to a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: ripping us off collectively engaging in fraud, waste and abuse
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  Speaker 1: and connection with Medicaid payments and home health services, and
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  Speaker 1: even a rudimentary protection like giant red flags waving. Based
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  Speaker 1: on Luke Rosiecks reporting seven buildings on one road in Columbus,
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of office suites. The buildings are all owned by
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  Speaker 1: one court real estate group called Cordoba. Majority of the
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  Speaker 1: tenants bill Medicaid, their home healthcare businesses concentrated in one area,
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  Speaker 1: and then statistically like a huge percentage of all Medicaid
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  Speaker 1: payments made in the connection with home healthcare, we're in
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  Speaker 1: Franklin County. That's this is something that could so simply
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  Speaker 1: be addressed by you know, some red flag AI for example,
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  Speaker 1: alarm bell going off. But you know what, I used
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  Speaker 1: to work at Anthem, Blue Cross and Blue Shield a
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  Speaker 1: long time ago, and more than twenty years ago. They
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  Speaker 1: had a program in place to kind of stop this
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing from happening. They would track where providers
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  Speaker 1: claimed to be and build look the day they were built,
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  Speaker 1: at the time that they were built, and found out
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of providers were at eight places at
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  Speaker 1: one time. I mean, this is old school technology. So
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  Speaker 1: they ignored giant red flags, two hundred and eighty eight
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  Speaker 1: businesses registered with Medicaid and just these Cordoba owned buildings
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  Speaker 1: in one road in Columbus.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think something's going on and is in
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  Speaker 3: the water in Columbus, Brian, because if commensurate with those
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  Speaker 3: number of providers are unhealthy people, Columbus, Ohio is the
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  Speaker 3: unhealthiest city in the United States. Well, you and I
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  Speaker 3: both know that's not the case. And what's going on
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  Speaker 3: is a larm. It is almost hand in glove with
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  Speaker 3: what we saw in Minnesota. Might be different, industries might
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  Speaker 3: be different, but it's the same. It's the same thing
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  Speaker 3: that you've seen Shell companies you go into a building,
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  Speaker 3: no one's there.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, I love what Luke Roziak.
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  Speaker 3: He did get a video of one of the places's
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  Speaker 3: stopped by the Bureau of Criminal Investigation. Had actually sent
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  Speaker 3: them a letter November of last year. There it sat
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  Speaker 3: for six months. So you're telling me this is a
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  Speaker 3: legitimate business and nobody has come here for six months
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  Speaker 3: to collect the mail. But here's the problem. Did you
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  Speaker 3: hear his interaction with state representative of Anita Somani, the
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  Speaker 3: abortion doctor, the Democrat from Dublin, when he was presenting
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  Speaker 3: to the Ohio State House. This was wonderful by the
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  Speaker 3: way he handed her butt in real time. But she said,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're kind of implying that, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: the Somali community. And he's like, no, I'm not implying it,
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying it.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the reality. Though she tried to frame
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  Speaker 2: that as racist. Of course isn't racist.
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  Speaker 3: This is a shell game. It is corruption and it
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  Speaker 3: is fraud and somebody has to have the jones to
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  Speaker 3: stand up and do what needs to be done. Thankfully, now,
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  Speaker 3: because of Akramaswami and other people like Mike Davilla, Keith Faber,
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  Speaker 3: have brought sunshine to this.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna get accountability.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to and we should wait for more heads
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  Speaker 1: to roll. I presume, Jack, because you got to develop
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  Speaker 1: the evidence. Now that it's been brought to everybody's attention,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much. They'll gather the evidence. Then some
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  Speaker 1: prosecutions will presumably take place. We can only hope there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of them, and maybe maybe, and I
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  Speaker 1: think this is a pipe dream, clawback some of the
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  Speaker 1: money that we wasted on them.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this about the.
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  Speaker 1: Secretary of State's office the business licenses.
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  Speaker 3: I think that you're going to have a Secretary of
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  Speaker 3: State who's going to be the next auditor of the
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  Speaker 3: state of Ohio talking about Frank LeRose and that is
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  Speaker 3: a fair question to talk to him about, and certainly
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  Speaker 3: Robert Sprague if he wants to be the next Secretary
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  Speaker 3: of State. But yes, there has to be an AI tool.
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  Speaker 3: There have to be tools that allow people to go,
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  Speaker 3: await a minute, look at this certain geography, and we
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  Speaker 3: we have three thousand businesses that have started in the
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  Speaker 3: last six months there we might want to take a
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  Speaker 3: look at what's going on. Doesn't mean that you're going
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  Speaker 3: to find crime, but it at least tells you where
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  Speaker 3: to look.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge, huge red flag. We need to at
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  Speaker 1: least ask the questions. Questions weren't even being asked. Jack Windsor,
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  Speaker 1: let's pause. We'll bring you back and talk about voter
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  Speaker 1: ID and the Ohio State Constitution more with Ohio Press Networks,
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  Speaker 1: Jack Winsor, Please Don't go Away, fifty five KRC.
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  Speaker 2: At two million and beyond Talk.
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  Speaker 1: eight forty seven Brian Thomas with Jack Winsor the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: Pressnetwork dot coms where you find them before you get
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  Speaker 1: to the photo ID requirement and we get to reveal
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  Speaker 1: the batcrap insanity from the statement from the ACLU on
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  Speaker 1: that topic real quick. My wife is a healthcare attorney,
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  Speaker 1: has been so since I met her in law schoo
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  Speaker 1: well after the law school graduation. Anyway, my better half said,
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  Speaker 1: the Ohio Department of Health is supposed to go to
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  Speaker 1: the address and verify that there's an existing nursing home care.
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  Speaker 1: Same with Medicaid. Verify is to become a Medicaid provider.
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  Speaker 1: So and she is really really angry. Based upon my
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  Speaker 1: conversation with Luke as well as you, Jack Windsor So,
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  Speaker 1: there's just one more little detail there that the state
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio seems to have overlooked.
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  Speaker 2: Now who used to be director of the Department of Health,
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  Speaker 2: oh Amy acting.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Amy Lockdown Act in Thanks for that fun fact.
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  Speaker 1: Bringing that one back up to the top, Jack, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio a joint Ohio our House Joint Resolution nine and
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  Speaker 1: Senate Joint Resolution ten here in Ohio, Well, Rick will
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  Speaker 1: in bed in the the Ohio Constitution, the existing important
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  Speaker 1: word there, statutory photo ID mandate. We need a photo
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  Speaker 1: ID to vote in Ohio. What they're going to do
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  Speaker 1: is change to make it it's a law, but they're going
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  Speaker 1: to put it part of the constitution, presumably, so no
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  Speaker 1: future administration pulls the rug out from under the photo
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  Speaker 1: ID requirement.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Jack, that's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: You're seeing that now in Virginia where you have Abigail Spanberger,
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  Speaker 3: who ran as a moderate, who's now trying to you know,
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  Speaker 3: whip votes within the Democrat Party to do things just
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  Speaker 3: like that same thing as happening in Hawaii. And by
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  Speaker 3: the way, with Ohio being on the verge of a
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  Speaker 3: gubernatorial election and Amy Lockdown Act, and who has already
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  Speaker 3: partnered with people like Mark Ellias and Washington d C
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  Speaker 3: and the radical left. We probably need to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that these voter protection laws are in the constitution, not
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  Speaker 3: just the Ohio Revice.
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  Speaker 1: Code, but says the ACLU strongly opposing the resolution. Quote
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  Speaker 1: here's your quote from the a CEO. The whull Constitution
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  Speaker 1: exists to protect people's liberties and freedoms, not to enable
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  Speaker 1: political gamesmanship. We the people should be able to exercise
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  Speaker 1: our sacred right to vote free from aggressive government overreach
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  Speaker 1: and roadblocks. Set a joint Resolution ten and companion House
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  Speaker 1: resolution we're introduced to sway electoral outcomes by preventing people
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  Speaker 1: from voting. Huh, it's already a law in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio. Where's the acl you coming from, Jack Well?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, one of our sacred rights is the
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  Speaker 3: right to a free and fair election and a right
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  Speaker 3: to select the people. Let go and make laws for us.
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  Speaker 3: But here's where that just falls under the crush of reality.
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  Speaker 2: Are you ready for some numbers?
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  Speaker 3: Seventy one percent of Democrats approve of voter ID, ninety
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  Speaker 3: five percent of Republicans, seventy six percent of black voters
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  Speaker 3: eighty two percent of Latino voters and eighty five percent
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  Speaker 3: of white voters. This Brian is an eighty percent issue.
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  Speaker 3: The ACLU is as tone deaf as they come.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you know, there are arguments not going to
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere, most notably because at least we're solid red
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. But the fact that is
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  Speaker 1: already a law in the book, how could putting it
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  Speaker 1: into the constitution, which would literally change nothing, How does
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  Speaker 1: that prevent people from voting in what way, shape or form.
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  Speaker 1: Is this one of those arguments that black people aren't
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  Speaker 1: capable of getting a photo ID requirement? Jack, Because that's
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  Speaker 1: all I'm reading in that statement.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you read the acl US quote and you
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  Speaker 3: take it seriously, what you're left wondering is are black
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  Speaker 3: people not driving because you need to have a license
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  Speaker 3: and you need to have it with you when you drive.
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  Speaker 3: So is the ACLUSE saying that blacks should not be
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  Speaker 3: on the roadways they can't drive lawfully in Ohio? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what an asinine comment from the ACLU.
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  Speaker 2: Oh truly.
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  Speaker 1: And then again we go back to the broader point
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  Speaker 1: one that I've been making literally for years. Apparently everybody
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  Speaker 1: else has got jumped on the bandwagon. It is damned insulting.
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  Speaker 1: If I was a person of color in some idiot
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  Speaker 1: in any elected office or high lofty position made the
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  Speaker 1: argument that I can't vote, or I can't make the
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  Speaker 1: decision to get a photo ID, or that I'm too
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  Speaker 1: dumb to get a photo ID. That is the most
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  Speaker 1: insulting thing that you can make. It's a broad brushed
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  Speaker 1: characterization of an entire race of people as being I
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  Speaker 1: would argue ignorant at least it sounds like that.
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  Speaker 3: Jack, Well, let's hold the mirror up and let them
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  Speaker 3: see what they say all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually racist.
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  Speaker 3: It's deeply racist, and it's very ungodly, and it's extremely
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  Speaker 3: insulting if somebody were to say, I mean this, By
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  Speaker 3: the way, we heard the same thing with women, right.
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  Speaker 3: This is where my wife lost her cool because when
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  Speaker 3: this was being discussed earlier in the year, the objections
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  Speaker 3: as well, what about women, what about women who have
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  Speaker 3: gotten married and they have to And my wife's like,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute, are they saying that I don't have
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  Speaker 3: the ability to get my ducks in a row and
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  Speaker 3: make sure that I have the proper things turned in
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  Speaker 3: so that I can go vote.
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  Speaker 2: How insulting.
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  Speaker 3: And I think people who can step back from politics
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  Speaker 3: and separate from the divisive nature of Well, if you
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  Speaker 3: do this, then you're a bad person. If you do this,
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  Speaker 3: you're a good person, and they can just be real
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  Speaker 3: human beings to go. That's a little insulting. I think
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  Speaker 3: I can handle getting my ducks in a row.
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  Speaker 1: No question about it. And Plus, the ultimate point is
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  Speaker 1: it protects the integrity of the election. It is illegal
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  Speaker 1: to vote in the election if you're not a US citizen.
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  Speaker 1: Federal elections, it's for voting. It is part of the law.
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  Speaker 1: It is a fabric of our country. Who wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: interested in protecting the integrity of the election. You're violating
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  Speaker 1: the law if you go and vote, you're not eligible
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  Speaker 1: to vote.
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, facts often will destroy the narrative of the left,
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  Speaker 3: so we've got to be careful. But all joking aside.
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  Speaker 3: House Joint Resolution nine is the House vision. Senate Joint
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  Speaker 3: Resolution ten is the Senate version. It needs three fifths
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  Speaker 3: support and both chambers. That would mean it would require
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  Speaker 3: sixty representatives in the state House. There are sixty five Republicans.
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  Speaker 3: That should be easy. There it would require twenty senators,
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  Speaker 3: so the upper chamber has twenty four Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: So this should pass.
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  Speaker 3: This should be on the ballot in November. Now where
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  Speaker 3: some conservatives, Brian, you might be getting this pushback already,
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  Speaker 3: are going to wait a minute. They're saying, okay, this
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  Speaker 3: would require photo ID for in person voting, but what
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  Speaker 3: about mail in voting. I had a conversation with state
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  Speaker 3: Representative Ron Ferguson yesterday and he's crafted House Bill five
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  Speaker 3: seventy seven, and in his words, it makes it fair.
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  Speaker 3: If you have photo ID for in person voting, you
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  Speaker 3: should have photo ID for mail in voting. And so
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: he is pushing legislation that at least would get on
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  Speaker 3: the law books the photo ID requirement.
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  Speaker 2: For mail in balloting as well.
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  Speaker 3: But some people are pushing on the legislature and saying, well,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Before you put this forward.
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  Speaker 3: You probably need to put the photo ID requirement from
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  Speaker 3: mail in balloting in that joint resolution as well. But
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if that's going to happen or if
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  Speaker 3: it's a deal breaker for some lawmakers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I always vote in person, so this issue never
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  Speaker 1: really crossed my brain. What is the current state of
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  Speaker 1: the law relative to mail in ballot and photo ID,
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  Speaker 1: I guess you don't need one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so technically, I think when you do some of
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  Speaker 3: the registration process, you're supposed to, but the way that
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  Speaker 3: it is now, you do not need a valid credentialed
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  Speaker 3: ID to accompany the mail in ballot, which to me
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  Speaker 3: is a significant issue.
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  Speaker 1: That is a very significant issue. And back we do
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: a segment here on the fifty five Kerson Monty sho
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Jack Wins before we part company called tech Friday. It's
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: every Friday at six thirty. Dave Hatter is brilliant. He's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a computer programmer and his business involves involves helping businesses
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  Speaker 1: deal with computer related issues. He was listening to our
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: conversation about, you know, the why didn't the Secretary of
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  Speaker 1: State's office or why weren't they looking for fraud wasting views.
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  Speaker 1: His quote was, it would be trivial to write a
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  Speaker 1: program to look for the fraud that you're describing, even
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  Speaker 1: before AI. So this was an easy solution and an
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  Speaker 1: easy fix. The State of how it just simply didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to go after it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, so it's one of those things that I think, frankly,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to go back to mindset and then I'll
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  Speaker 3: shut up here. Can you imagine a bunch of bureaucrats
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  Speaker 3: sitting around the table, Oh, well, that we don't really
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  Speaker 3: need that because waste, fraud, and abuse, it doesn't happen
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  Speaker 3: that much.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the cost of doing business. It's an outlier.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how the conversation goes, right, Well, we
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: don't need that widget.
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  Speaker 3: It'll save us a few bocks and then we can
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  Speaker 3: get more money into the system.
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  Speaker 2: This is the kind of stuff that needs to change.
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  Speaker 1: It does, and thanks to the reporting by Luke Rosiac,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the concert reporting for you at the Ohio Press Network,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Jack Windsor and hopefully to some degree me here on
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the fifty five KC Morning Show trying to share this
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: information to the world, maybe something will get done and
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: maybe this idea of getting rid of fraud, wasted, abuse,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and government programs generally speaking, will take root and it'll
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  Speaker 1: become a pivotal campaign issue.
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  Speaker 2: Jack.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is a massive campaign issue, and I
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  Speaker 3: think it's what it's going to get the Vakramaswami over
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  Speaker 3: the finish line. Frankly, I think and if I if
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you the truth. I think that's part of
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  Speaker 3: the motivation behind this. I think some lawmakers recognize this
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  Speaker 3: might get some Republicans out to vote, and if Republicans
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: get out to vote, then then they win.
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  Speaker 2: If they don't, they lose.
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  Speaker 1: You have every incentive in the world to get out
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  Speaker 1: and vote. Find them online the ohiopressnetwork dot com. Tune
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  Speaker 1: in next Friday for another distion