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Altered TCG vs. The Titans How It Stacks Up Against Other Successful Card Games · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit the button and I'm hoping lumber comes back.
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  Speaker 1: But what's going on? Everybody? I am the one, the only,
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  Speaker 1: the w oh okay, I eat joined by the normal
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  Speaker 1: cast of misfits. We have mister Cole Robbie.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Happy Valentine's.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Valentine Day. Okay, we're recording this on Valentine's Day.
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  Speaker 1: You guys will all get this on the eighteenth. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be at work. And then we got that weird kid
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  Speaker 1: in your math class, Dexter. Hey, hey, and joining us
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  Speaker 1: very special guest, we have Felix.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, good evening.
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  Speaker 1: So Felix, I'm going like, like, maybe not everyone else
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  Speaker 1: because called it a real bad job of telling us.
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  Speaker 1: Who the hell are you?
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  Speaker 3: Hello?
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  Speaker 4: So I am Felix. As my name suggests, I am
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  Speaker 4: from Houston. I'm originally from Puerto Rico, but moved to
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  Speaker 4: Houston about ten years ago. And I've been very deep
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  Speaker 4: into card games since like third grade. So I went
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  Speaker 4: back and I made a list of all the card
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  Speaker 4: games that I used to play, and then because and
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  Speaker 4: then my.
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  Speaker 3: Top three currently. So it's a pretty big list.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited excited for this because I go, how old
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  Speaker 1: are you, Felix, if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 3: Me asking, I am thirty six.
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  Speaker 1: Oh nice, I turned thirty six seven on Monday.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm turning thirty sappened later during the year.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you and I might have we might have
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  Speaker 1: a ton in common. And I I'm very curious because
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  Speaker 1: I am also very heavily into a card game background,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm interested to see like, what were what did
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  Speaker 1: you play? What did I miss? Stuff like that. So anyways, keep.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with the very first one.
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  Speaker 4: The first one I started playing back in third grade
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  Speaker 4: was the Pokemon trading card game.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, of course.
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  Speaker 4: And then I started with the Nintendo Power magazine and
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  Speaker 4: we got that chart million before the game came out,
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  Speaker 4: and that was like my start. And then after that
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  Speaker 4: things get blurry because I started getting into too many
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  Speaker 4: of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my current games.
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  Speaker 4: That I play are Pokemon still because I run and
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  Speaker 4: I'm part of the Play Play Pokemon program, so I
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  Speaker 4: run a Pokemon league, I run tournaments for it, and
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  Speaker 4: so on. But another game that I'm very deep into
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  Speaker 4: is Universes, which used to be called Universal Fighting System
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  Speaker 4: way back in the day. It's another game that came
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  Speaker 4: out back in two thousand and a six.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, people don't realize how old that game really is.
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  Speaker 1: I just gone through when it first came out at
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  Speaker 1: gen Con all those years ago, wasn't it? Was it?
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  Speaker 1: Mortal Kombat versus street Fighter was the first one.
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  Speaker 4: The first one that released outside of Penny Arcade, because
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  Speaker 4: that was the very first one was street Fighter and
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  Speaker 4: Soul Caliber ca Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I missed Soul Caliber kind of side part of Soul Caliber.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember which one it was, but do you
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  Speaker 2: remember the one that had like the overworld map that
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  Speaker 2: you would like travel around with a little like chess
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  Speaker 2: piece or something.
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  Speaker 3: It might have been that one, but it missed a
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  Speaker 3: Caliber three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that mode was was so cool. Pokemon though, Did
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  Speaker 2: you actually play Pokemon back then or did you just
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  Speaker 2: collect it like the rest of us and that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we played it and we went and we
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  Speaker 1: got gym badges.
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  Speaker 3: We played.
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  Speaker 4: I played it the wrong way. I played it by
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  Speaker 4: putting cars in the on the on the table and
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  Speaker 4: making rules as we go. Yeah, this Bookemon has more speed,
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  Speaker 4: So I went, this Bookemon deals this part damage. I went,
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  Speaker 4: I put this double cutterness energy gives it like twenty
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  Speaker 4: more damage.
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  Speaker 1: You maybe of the leagues or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: I went to a league a couple of times back
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  Speaker 4: in the time, back in the day, but we had
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  Speaker 4: to travel too much because everything was too far from
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  Speaker 4: where we used to live. So I pretty much was
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  Speaker 4: just building the community in my own school at.
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  Speaker 1: The Texas is a large place.
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  Speaker 4: Then we'll go to Toys r US for preleases and
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  Speaker 4: picked stuff up.
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  Speaker 1: I remember. So my first card game ever, believed this
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  Speaker 1: or not, was the second card game to ever be released,
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  Speaker 1: and it was the Star Wars CCG MMM, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Was I was won by oh shoot such as Cipher. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they are now defunct. I also have a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: those cards.
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  Speaker 1: I loved that game. I played it from its initial
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  Speaker 1: release in like nineteen ninety or ninety five all the way.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was two thousand and four five when
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  Speaker 1: it finally they lost the rights to Wizards, and Wizards
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  Speaker 1: just bought up their competition. But as well, I as
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  Speaker 1: well played Pokemon. I loved Pokemon. I did all the
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  Speaker 1: leagues right, like if there was a card, if there
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  Speaker 1: was a if there was a talent or a card
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  Speaker 1: shop near me, like they had like that you actually
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  Speaker 1: got little pins and they actually for each game you played,
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  Speaker 1: you would get like a stamp in a little book. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then if you played so many games, you got
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  Speaker 1: a pin.
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  Speaker 3: We don't do pins anymore, sadly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the good old days.
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  Speaker 2: Uh want Felix to go back through the rest of
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  Speaker 2: his list, but now that will get yeah, his first extra.
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  Speaker 2: What was your first Do you remember your first time?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was key Forge actually six years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I'll remember our first call.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, first, Yeah, Oh you're I was, Oh, you're like fourteen.
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  Speaker 6: I was. I was thirteen when I started playing KeyForge.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, how how did you get into a game like
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  Speaker 2: key Forge? I had never even heard of it until
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  Speaker 2: I met you guys.
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  Speaker 6: So, uh, me and my friend just went to a
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  Speaker 6: card game club at our middle school, and we thought
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  Speaker 6: we were just going to be playing like regular card
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  Speaker 6: games like Poker and other stuff with like fifty two
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  Speaker 6: cards of decks. And then we realized that other people
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  Speaker 6: were playing like Pokemon and magic and stuff. So we're like,
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  Speaker 6: we have no idea what this is. We asked the
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  Speaker 6: teacher there and he's like, this new game came out.
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  Speaker 6: It's called Keyfde. It's a pretty low entry price to play.
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  Speaker 6: So then we played with some decks that he had.
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  Speaker 6: Me and my friend really liked it, so then we
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  Speaker 6: started playing a lot, bought some decks, played at locals,
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  Speaker 6: just playing key Forde a lot nice. I've bought in
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  Speaker 6: two hundred plus decks since then.
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  Speaker 2: My first was the first that I actually like played
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  Speaker 2: and got into was Magic, and then I took a
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  Speaker 2: very long break from it. But I've actually always collected
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  Speaker 2: cards in some way. So I actually have some baseball cards,
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  Speaker 2: some football. I have the Decipher, Star Wars, I have
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  Speaker 2: the Wizard of the Coast Star Wars, and then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm here.
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  Speaker 1: But it's weird. I was going through a box the
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  Speaker 1: other day that was just kind of like, however, whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: this box has floated around with me for god a
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  Speaker 1: third almost thirty seven years, right, well maybe less than that,
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  Speaker 1: And it was just full of cards from card games
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  Speaker 1: I used to play. I know, I know we're an
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  Speaker 1: altered podcast, but let's just go through some of these. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: tell me all of them. It's just it's funny that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about this because like literally I my wife's like,
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  Speaker 1: what's this box? And I'm like, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 1: like it's an old shoe box and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, well it's yours. It's all cards and I
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  Speaker 1: was like what so I like pulled it open and
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  Speaker 1: like if anybody remembers Rage the card game.
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  Speaker 3: So familiar.
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  Speaker 1: Again, that was it. That was a young one. And
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  Speaker 1: then the next one that there was a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: stuff in there was the old dragon ball Z card
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  Speaker 1: game from Panini.
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  Speaker 3: Which one from which one and I played an older one.
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  Speaker 1: There was one older one. I never played that one,
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  Speaker 1: but it was the one Panini where you were a
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  Speaker 1: hero and like you had the little scouter on your
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  Speaker 1: power levels and all that, and I had my old
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  Speaker 1: school Goku deck was still in there, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh shit, Like that was a why that was a
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  Speaker 1: trip down memory lane. I had a bunch oflf L
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  Speaker 1: five R cards in there, the old school L five
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  Speaker 1: R when they were owned by AEG. Same with Warlord,
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  Speaker 1: which I guess is having a resurgence right now.
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  Speaker 2: That's so weird to hear the name Panini and then
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  Speaker 2: dragon ball Z.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's I mean, that's who made them. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you got me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The card games used to be wild because for anyone
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't know, Panini is like mostly known for NFL, NBA,
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  Speaker 2: those kind of cards.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for whatever reason they made that. And then like
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  Speaker 1: I had like two starter decks from like a Sailor
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  Speaker 1: Moon card game that we played for a little while there,
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  Speaker 1: Like we bought like some starter decks for at some
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  Speaker 1: convention play and it was so weird. I remember it too,
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  Speaker 1: because like in the Sailor Moon hard game, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of your battles were determined by playing rock paper scissors. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was so weird. And then like I had some
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  Speaker 1: old Gundam stuff in there, like Gundam Like at one
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  Speaker 1: point in time, I think every anime had a card game.
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  Speaker 1: It's possible or every popular anime had a card game.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, before people turn this off.
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  Speaker 1: This far the altered show.
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  Speaker 2: This is an altered podcast, but the topic of today
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  Speaker 2: is altered compared to other TCGs in a gist, that's
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  Speaker 2: the idea. And I actually met Felix at gen Con.
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  Speaker 2: I was demoing Altered, he was demoing Universes, and we
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  Speaker 2: ended up just working together to trade promos.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I might have met both of you. Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I was also at gen Con I did do Universes.
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  Speaker 1: I talked with Josh who actually used to be Because
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I turn around. I'm there to
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  Speaker 1: meet my dad, right because there's a Universes was showing
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  Speaker 1: off Godzilla their new Universes, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: I look around and here's Josh And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what the Josh used to be the old head of
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  Speaker 1: organized play for FFG and we worked heavily with him
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  Speaker 1: in KeyForge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing here? And then we got
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  Speaker 1: to jawing, and then he talked me into coming and
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  Speaker 1: playing Universes because my daughter really really enjoys. Uh what
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  Speaker 1: is that my hero academia? And they have a yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they had they had a versus from my hero academia.
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  Speaker 1: And then I also wandered over to Alter where I
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  Speaker 1: probably got call and now we talk to each other
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  Speaker 1: on the internet.
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  Speaker 3: Ye, yes, those about right?
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  Speaker 2: How it goes?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You're uh, you're coming to Houston tomorrow, right, Wookie.
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  Speaker 1: Uh that's a big negative. It is snowing right now
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  Speaker 1: in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's why you should come to Houston.
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  Speaker 1: Then well, I have I have my own birthday party
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  Speaker 1: plan tomorrow, so I kind of got to show up
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  Speaker 1: to that, all right. My wife said, so, so.
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  Speaker 2: I guess what's what's next on the list. Felix.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, then they go through the list real quick and
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  Speaker 3: then we'll stop.
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  Speaker 4: Uh So pookem on Universes and Altered on my big
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  Speaker 4: three games currently probably gon gonna stick with those. I
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  Speaker 4: did play yu Gi Oh, I did play Magic. I
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  Speaker 4: played the digimont Dji battle card.
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  Speaker 3: Game way way back, which.
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  Speaker 4: Has some similarity to Altered, which I can bring up later.
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  Speaker 4: The Digimon card game from Bendi, the dragon Ball Z
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  Speaker 4: from Score, which is the one from before Pennani, the
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  Speaker 4: Dragon Ball GT which is the same mechanics before Pennani,
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  Speaker 4: the Dragon Ball Z from Panini, the Dragon Ball from Bandai,
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  Speaker 4: the Dragon Ball Super from Bandai, the Dragon Ball Fusion
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  Speaker 4: from Bandai, and then from there it goes out of
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  Speaker 4: Dragon Ball. It's like Magi Nation.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that car game. I love that car game.
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  Speaker 4: They had the Kickstarter anyways, uh Nauto Dual Masters, Kaijudo,
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  Speaker 4: Flesh and Blood Cartfire Vanguard, the Bleach card game from Score,
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  Speaker 4: the Gundam game from Bandai have been demoin for it
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  Speaker 4: and stuff the Final Fantasy. I played the Legnond of
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: the Fire Rings, the Living Car game. I played the
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  Speaker 4: Neo Pets Battle Down. I played key Forge, although I
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  Speaker 4: haven't touched it in years, and then from there I
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: go to deck Builders, so antamed Star Realms, Zero Realms,
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: the Deck Builders, Daimio's Fall.
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  Speaker 3: I played the Bench in Taro, the.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: Annas Round Table, uh Boss Monster, and the video games.
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  Speaker 4: You got the Xeno car from Zinosaga, a triple try
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  Speaker 4: It from Final Fantasy, a double twin from Evil Land,
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  Speaker 4: which is a parody, a triple Triad Game of Cards,
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  Speaker 4: which is another parody in Nevile Land. Then just keeps
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  Speaker 4: on going if you other ones, so I can. I've
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  Speaker 4: seen a lot of mechanics that are relatively similar to
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  Speaker 4: Altered so compared to other games, like statistics based, not
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  Speaker 4: battles per se, but the way how the game progresses
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  Speaker 4: are statistics based. So the Bleach card game did that
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  Speaker 4: for a while when it was a thing, because characters
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  Speaker 4: had specific stats that you have to compare to your opponent.
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  Speaker 4: But it was a battle game, so you were definitely
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  Speaker 4: trying to pretty much kill your opponent. Digimon was kind
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  Speaker 4: of the same that you were battling your opponent, but
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  Speaker 4: you were scoring, so there were some statistics similarities to Alter.
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  Speaker 4: But the difference from Alter that I feel is kind
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  Speaker 4: of nice is that it's not a battle card game,
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  Speaker 4: so you're not trying to beat your opponent down. It's
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  Speaker 4: a race in a sense, and that's kind of what
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  Speaker 4: I It's a nice change of pace compared.
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  Speaker 3: To what other games are up played.
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  Speaker 4: And then the usual Mana because it brings me back
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  Speaker 4: to Dual Masters. Because of Dual Masters, you create mana
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  Speaker 4: from cards that you have in your hand, and then
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  Speaker 4: you just cording your handsters into a mona. So it's
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  Speaker 4: similar in that sense, which makes me believe maybe in
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  Speaker 4: the future we might see some cards that return mon.
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  Speaker 3: Out of your hand, but we'll see how that goes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know that there was another
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  Speaker 2: TCG out there that kind of already did that when
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I got into Altered. It was right after, like a
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: year after or so that Lorcana and uh Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: fun up, and they also resource from your hand.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's it's an old school mechanic, the resourcing from hand.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember who came out first Dual Masters. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if they did it first, because Dual Masters
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  Speaker 1: was designed to get the Eastern markets into Magic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But another game that did that exact same thing was
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  Speaker 1: the Wow TCG, which I played Wow TCG and they
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  Speaker 1: did the same thing. I don't know who came out first.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna really sure.
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  Speaker 4: I had to go back and through Wikipedia or best
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  Speaker 4: friend and check it out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure who came out first, but Wow
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  Speaker 1: Wow did the same thing where any card in your
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  Speaker 1: hand could have could be mana.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought it was genius at the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so much.
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  Speaker 4: And then the cool thing I'm sorry for. The cool
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  Speaker 4: thing in Dual Mattress is specific is if you turn
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  Speaker 4: the card upside down, there's the number one, which represents
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  Speaker 4: them how much man it actually gives you, which is
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  Speaker 4: kind of bizarre at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was if I played a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of Duel Masters too, But wasn't it like but each
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  Speaker 1: one was like if it was a yellow car to
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  Speaker 1: produced yellow manna, right yeah, right? And then but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because like in Wow any kind there was no like
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  Speaker 1: colors really you just either good or evil deck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if the color of the card determined the manna,
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  Speaker 2: can't your opponent see like what's in your hand and
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  Speaker 2: is available color wise?
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  Speaker 4: Or that's part of the game, but you could mix
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  Speaker 4: some match colors. So if you played a dual or
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  Speaker 4: triple colored deck little by little, then it would progressively show.
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  Speaker 3: What colors you're actually playing.
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  Speaker 4: But if you do play a yellow card down as
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  Speaker 4: a MANA, then you know for sure your opponent is
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: going to have a yellow card yellow cards in their deck.
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  Speaker 4: But then they could, for just random reason, just play
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  Speaker 4: another black MANA later on and they's like, oh, so
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: he's playing yellow and black at this point, and then
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: of a sudden a blue one shows up. I was like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: wait a second, But as long as you meet one
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  Speaker 4: at least one man of the color requirement, that was it.
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  Speaker 3: Everything else could be colorless.
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  Speaker 1: Was it? Dual masters also, who had like the strange
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  Speaker 1: catch up mechanic. Oh, it's right, you did shield, right,
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  Speaker 1: You laid five cards faced down and that was shield.
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  Speaker 1: And like some of your shields when your opponent blew
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  Speaker 1: it up, they did things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they go to your hands, so it gives
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  Speaker 4: you cart advantage your opponting as greedy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I remember in the in the chat, Dexter mentioned a
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  Speaker 2: very interesting one that he played that I technically was
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: supposed to create content for at a time, but the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Steam version.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Let me get I said, Soul Forge Fusion.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd never I'm pretty sure I never did.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Let me log into my influencer site here.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: That was such a weird game because like it it plays,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: so they're both created by Richard Garfield, and that was
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the big draw originally the key Forge was that as
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a Richard Garfield game. And you know what happens when
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you attach the name rich Garfield of things, right like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: people all of a sudden they are like, I gotta
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: buy all this because it's gona be worth a bucket
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: of money someday because magic, right like. And the same
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: thing happened was Soul Forged Fusion, like which, Soul Forged
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Fusion is a great game on computer, it's it is
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: hard to play in I rl.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've never actually played it, ir I only ever
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: played it on like tabletop simulator before it was ever released,
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: and then I played it on Steam later on. I
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: bought like maybe a starter set, but I never got
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: around to playing it in person.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's weird because I was like, did you
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: actually play it in person? Because I only ever tried
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: out the Steam let me see, Yeah, you can see it,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'll post it in the chat because it doesn't have
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: any information. But I started playing it and I was
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: just like, I don't think I can make good content
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: around this, honestly, and it's like one of the only
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: ones that I didn't do. And it's like on that
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: screenshot you see a red X that means I did
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: not create the content. So also very interesting. I don't
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: know if you've kept up with it, but I have
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: not unsubscribed from their mailer list. I think it's like
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: heavily based in crypto now.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very well. I know, right next to key Forge
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Nationals because I was there playing in Nationals, they had
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the soul Forge Fusion. I think it was their Worlds.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Don't don't quote me on that because I don't know.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I talked to one of the gal that was running
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: it very briefly, but they were having some like their
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: big tournament was held at gen Con and there's there's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: quite a number of people there. I was actually surprised.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, got a good got a good turnout.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting, that was an interesting call out. Well, I yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: so dex I'll read Dexter's full list or Dexter I.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: Can read my list right here.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're so.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: First I did key Forge. Then I only did Pokemon
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: and Magic online. But I've played both of those quite
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: a bit online. I maybe bought like a few packs
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: of Pokemon cards and like played some Magic with friends
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: and command and stuff, but those were both both mostly online.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Then Flesh and Blood I bought into it, probably around
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: second set, and I played that for a couple of months.
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: Soul Forge Fusion, like I said, that was all online.
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: Then Lorcana mostly again online all before it released, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: then I bought a little bit, like a little bit
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: didn't really care for it. Star Wars Unlimited I actually
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: played for quite a while, probably like over a year.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know. I probably spent like
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: three hundred four hundred dollar on that game, so not
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: too much. But I played Star Wars a good bit.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when you were trying to sell all
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of your cards.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: I never got around to it, and those are still
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: all sitting in a box at home.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: One day, you're gonna have like three kids and a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: wife and you're gonna go open a box and you like,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: what are these.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: One of the questions I have for Star Wars Unlimited
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: for anyone here who has played, because I have played
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and demoed and judged both altered in Star Wars. And
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: one of the big things with Star Wars for me
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: is that the resources you start with actually feels really bad.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: So what did you feel the same way playing at Dexter.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Like at the beginning you're putting too much in the
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: resources and then losing cards.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: No, you only put two in right instead of three,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and I don't know, to me, not much of a difference,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: but it does feel worse somehow.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: It just forces you to play a lot of two
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: drop cards in your decks because then if you just
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: have nothing to play your first turn, you're screwed. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: that happened to me a lot in both draft and
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: sealed in Star Wars. Oh yeah, and it's never fun
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: to just not have anything first turn and then basically
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: right off the bat be like, well, there's really not
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: much I can do. You've already dealt a few damage
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: to me and have a guy on the board I'm dead.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Forces you to play Boba fet yeah, and then and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: then they will suspend him and then you just go, oh,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I just spent like seven hundred dollars on this deck.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Now what do I do?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Yep, as someone who was not playing Sabine or Boba
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: or any of that and wanted to play just like
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: like I have a Cassian deck that hole not playing
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a card first turn and then basically just losing from
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: there always felt terrible.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I definitely don't all about that whole
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Bulba thing from experience.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, I played Leya a bunch and I played
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: that all throughout first set.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: With playing like the cards that just make you lose?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: What do you mean you just you have this weird
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: You're like, who is playing Leya?
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: It was a fine mid range tempo deck. B tear.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, So now that we've all talked about different TCGs
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and things, one of the things that happens very commonly
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: when we're talking about altered is what they do versus
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: what other TCGs do. So my next question for Felix
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: and then everyone was what are things you've seen with
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: other TCGs that you would like to see an altered
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: or even I guess that you're glad are not an altered.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: I think one of the things that I noticed was
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the rarity distribution, and I think I mentioned it in
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the chat the past couple of days about how you
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: have the basic rarities, Like in Pokemon, for example, you.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Have comments on comments rares, and then you have pretty
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: much the super rayres after that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: In Magic you have the comments you have I guess
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: on comments rare mythics, and Final Fantasy you have comments
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: rare pretty much legendaries. So I'm still surprised that Alterred
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: has booster boxes. There are thirty six packs in, but
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: you're only pretty much expecting about four uniques out of
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a whole box. It makes investment really rough when you
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: compare it to other games that you can't expect about
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: eight or nine. So like, that's kind of something I
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: miss if I label it unique as an ultrarare. For example,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: four ultra rears and thirty six packs is a pretty
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: rough rate.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I suppose most other booster boxes are twenty.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Four, right, Pokemon has thirty six.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Come, I'm still thirty six?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Are you really pulling? Are you really pulling that many? Well?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Right now? Is it ex that went back to ex right?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can pull about eight and six and eighty
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: x's and then you have full arts. After that, you
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: got alternate arts. On top of that, you can exprayers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: those trainer galleries out arts, so you can expect them
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: about ten to twelve cards out of your box to
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: be relatively higher rarity when you.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Compare it to higher rary doesn't always. I mean some
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: of those exes and back when I was oh yeah, like.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Big time until the doud uniques that we get.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like, man, I pulled the V
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: well what I was playing was vmax. Uh it was
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: like we're going another vmax. Like you go look it
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: up and it's like thirty six cents, so you're like, oh,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: oh yep.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: So yeah, the out arts and trainer and the trainer
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: galleries and the out arts are really the big, big
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: chase and those are the ones that pretty much collectors
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: won all the time. But in terms of it's the
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: rarity that it really confuses me a little bit. It's
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: just four quotation ulter rears out of thirty six packs.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: It's just rough.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Seeah, I've said it on the show before, like the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: thing that Pokemon does right and I don't I don't
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: know how they get it so right is like okay,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: so like they have like the those stuff collectors want right,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: which which is those those altarts, those super rares, but
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: like the I'll have regular versions of those cards too,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: so they're never like out of reach for anyone, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to where like when you have flesh and Blood, Right,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: some of those legendaries I don't even know what's a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: cloak going for Nowadays's probably when I was playing, it
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: was like three twenty three point fifty, yeah, and it
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: was just like, wow, that's that's a lot, you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And these are like staples, right, these are cards you
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: have to have to be competitive, and Pokemon has just
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: made it so like, oh, like even if like let's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: just say, you know, you want to be competitive, you
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: can still do it at a relatively cheap budget, right,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: You're still able to like play the game relatively inexpensively.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: The longitivity of the game and just the IP in
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: general does help a lot. Sure, just for the fact
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: that competitive players are not the only ones buying their product.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Is just children in general. Sure, and Alter doesn't the flexibility,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: but I don't.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if like the maybe and maybe it is,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I'm not a huge fan of
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: where they sit on like how like because like even
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: pulling unique and a dud unique is like really rough,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like it just it seems to hit hit even harder
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: when you're like, I can't even play this. I've I've
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: pulled a card that's like not feasible for anything, and
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: it's it's just really tough to pull. I don't know
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: if that's driving the economy in Altered. Do you guys
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: think it is? I mean, it probably is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I have, I think an alternate opinion about things like
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that compared to most people. So okay, I how I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: see Altered is the fact that it's not one of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: those teas where you're going to have as many people
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: getting into it just to open packs to get stuff
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to sell. And I enjoy that. I understand that sometimes
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: people worry about if that's not a thing, is Altered
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: going to survive. But if you want things to change,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you have to support the change and like champion it
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: instead of always being like, oh, Altered's going to die
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: because you can't, you know, have someone that wants to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: buy twelve boxes to be able to open a bunch
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: of packs and then resell. But that's that's my stance
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I think that's part of the beauty of the game itself.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: That people need to get out of the mentality that
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: uniques are chase cards in a sense because your decks
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: only already had only seven percent of your deck a uniques.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But some of those uniques are so busted that I agree,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: they're so busted. They every one of some of those uniques,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and it's kind of you have them or you don't
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: right now, if you have one of those uniques that
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: is just absolutely bonkers, mind blowingly busted, right Like that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: really really and no pun intended, that really really can altered, altered, altered,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: alter the trajectory of a game where you could be
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: really far ahead and like one of these uniques hits
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and it can just absolutely decimate you. And that's kind
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: of where I'm at at the point of altered, where
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like really kind of frustrated with that, where it's like, man,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I could have made no mistakes, but one unique just
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: absolutely destroys me.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: So let me let me pose this to you. Has
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: anyone on this Paul that is talking right now, or
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: anyone in the audience listening hold one of those uniques
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that they feel is that high of caliber.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, I.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Don't think so.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I would say most people listening or most
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: people that we talk to, have not. The reason you
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: see them is because most of the play now is
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: on BGA, which is a very competitive platform. Like comparing
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it to in person and just randomly searching a game
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: on BGA, the competitive level is like two times on BGA.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I so those uniques are so rare that someone spent
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: at least two hundred dollars or more to obtain that
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: very specific one.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But I feel like those are the same people who
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: are willing to travel to these large events to go
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: be competitive to I'm very interested when they finally start
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: doing I don't know how they're going to do it,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: if they're to do a series of large events, if
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: they're just going to do one a year, Like how
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: they end up doing it is still yet to be seen.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: But like I'm I'm interested to see what the in
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: person meta is versus the versus the online meta, because
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: it's every game is very different, very different.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I would say at PAS we did not have any
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: uniques that we saw that were domineering any of the tournaments.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: It's going to happen, absolutely, But then the question is,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and this is me asking a question because I don't
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: have as much experience with competitive How common is that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in other TCGs anyways, where the person with the most
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: money is going to show up to those events and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: have like the best of the best cards that other
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: people just can't get because of money or rarity.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it's different in other card games, right, because like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: uniques and alt and and maybe feelis can back me
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: up on this, maybe he turns away unique and al
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: there's only one that's it? There no more, there's one
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: where like in Magic, like I can pretty much, I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: mean because you're you're saying like if money's an object, right, yeah, POKEMONO.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Like all these games. If I can build the tiers
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: deck or build the Tier one deck, right, I can
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: get most of the cards. But like the problem in
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: this game is that, like, okay, so if you know
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: person x y Z has this unique, he that's it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I can't get that. I can get maybe a similar one,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: but I can't get another one. And I told you
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: last week, like I'm still looking for that TCG that does.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: So what lean towards player skill as opposed to pocket skill, right,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: because I mean I'm I'm now an old nerd. I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: have disposable income that I can buy stupid things with right,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: But like the one ofs is what what kind of
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: gets me? Because like once you find it, like it's
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: what what do they want to sell it for? And
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: can you even get it away from them?
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: Every like one of that you're talking about, though, like
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: the super abilities that you're seeking after, there's going to
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: be at least like twenty of those cards out there
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: probably that do the same thing, and I think that
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: is a lot more rare than other card games are
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: with the most rare cards. So I don't know, I
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: think it would be still a close comparison.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: You said there was a lot more.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: No, there's a lot less.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yeah, there's a lot less. Yes, yeah, there are.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Still some, but I think it would definitely be less.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I think the issue we've seen most commonly is the
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: fact that people have spent enough money to find three
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: uniques that all do the same thing. They might be
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: different cards, and they might have subtle differences on how
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: they do the thing, But when it becomes a problem
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: is when they have specifically sought out three that do
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the same thing so that they can keep doing it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: That's why you see so many people complaining about spindle
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: harvesters right now and Muna anchoring uniques. But at the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: same time, they're not dominating tournaments like hardly ever.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: I think that's more to do with just that there's
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: so few decks that have those cards. And I mean,
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, this game is about luck.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: And I mean really, all the tournaments we're seeing are
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: running in best of one. So if that super strong
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: deck with those three really good uniques, it's a bad draw.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: They're dead in the water.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only tournament I know that's best of
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: one is ACE, So the rest are Swiss.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: A wall is best of one, well.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Swiss, Yeah, I mean Swiss. Swiss and best of one
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: are two very different things.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I see what, I see what Dexter's meaning
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: though each matchup is not a best of three?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean was that how they were running my
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: packs BO three?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, yes, I think all competitive will be best
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of three and then constructed. But so rarity. I had
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: this thought when Felix was talking about it in the
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: discord and then earlier today. What do you think if
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Altered were to come out and have a rarity between
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: rare and unique? I think, obviously as usual fifty percent
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: of the community to throw up their arms and scream
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: and cry. But what do you guys think.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: I would be super happy with that. I think we
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: need another rarity, And I mean, I think it's fine
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: how they've designed it so far, and having one infaction
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: card and then the rare shifts into two factions, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: having one more card at a separate rarity, whether it
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: stays in faction or has the possibility to shift, or
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: like Wookie suggests, some colorless cards with a different rarity entirely.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: I think there's possibilities for separate rarities of cards.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: For sure.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I like the current spread, But I think what I
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: would like.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: What it would be really cool to see, at least
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: from my side, is the expand and the uniques, where
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: you have characters that whose unique version is outside of what.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Their rare counterparts are.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: So, for example, you pick, let's say, a Hathor that
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: keeps saying Hatthor for everything, a Hathor, which is a
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Lyra slash is mere card, and all of a sudden
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: unique you have.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: A hot Thor and ortis for example. So it could.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Expand maybe an increase the amount of uniques that you
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: could get. But it does bring another kind of worms
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: because now you have to look into the algorithm and
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: make sure that those repeatable effects that are dominating those
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: uniques that are skyrocking to three hundred euros, for example,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: how to control that Because a lot of the uniques
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: that people are complaining about are ones that have loopable
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: abilities that trigger outside multiple things.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: So for example, the was it the.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Foundry engineer, No, I forget, it's the axiom slash bravos
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: one that creates a robot every time you get a boost.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: It's an ability that triggers out of something else. So
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: the fact that you can create that event multiple times
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: and it triggers for every time you create it, it's problematic.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I almost wish in the patch they would have specifically
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: used the word loupable, because most of us know that's
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: exactly what they targeted, but they didn't spell it out
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: that way in the article. It's obviously, as always, very
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: concise on their reasoning, but I feel like people get
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: stuck up on not remembering why Jellyfish and the Foundry,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Armor and Garrick were suspended. Yeah, it's because they're loopable,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: which can cause a ton of problems, but also people
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: don't read the article, So I guess you should just
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: listen to Altered Corner.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to Altered Corner. Make sure subscribe. Right, we're
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: on our way to being the sixty sixty first, sixty seventh. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the sixty first podcasts are content creator for alternate.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Draconis brings up a good question in the audience.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Should spells and permanence get uniques? My answer, I mean,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I know as spells, but yes to unique or yes
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to permanence?
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: Why I say the exact opposite.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I say no to both, but context I think uniques
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: are just fine the way they are. But I am
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: an here's outliar.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: For the most part, here's a crazy idea. Right, call
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: me nuts, because everyone's going to tell me why this
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: won't work. And I understand why it won't work, But
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: for the sake of competitiveness, I think it would be
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: more beneficial to the game. What if in high level
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: competitive play you were not allowed to use uniques? What
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: if you were allowed maybe like three extra rare slots
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: or something like that does well? Who oh, I don't know.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Is that what they do?
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah? Exalts in some of their leagues at least I know.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Uniques aren't a thing. Or does it just make it
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: does it make it better?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I think there's some of this charm.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: I think it could make sense in the future if
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: there's enough traction to do both a uniques allowed and
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: a non uniques allowed competitive events, just to maybe eliminate
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: some of having to pay a whole bunch of money.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: But I don't think it would make sense to just
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: limit it to no uniques, since that takes away one
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: of the main core components of the game.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a very small, like data sample, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I would say for that to even be possible, I
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: think the group of players like around the world would
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: have to increase by a lot for that team popular
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: because if we look at the off weeks we do
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: for ACE, there's like ten people that sign up when
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the normal season is like fifty sixty.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Sure again, just a thought, right, don't don't ever everybody's
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: gonna like we be like that's dumb, like it probably
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: is right now.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I think the more people that get into Altered I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: think it makes alternate formats more likely. I mean, it's
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, Commander was around for a very
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: long time, but didn't explode at least in my eyes
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: until like the last three to five years.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was very like it was super casual too, right,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Like nobody was really you know, now there's all these
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: people and it's crazy. Right now everybody's playing basically playing CDH.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: But I just Universes as well. The worlds are happening
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: this weekend, and during Worlds there's a ton of side
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: events based on all sorts of different formats. So you
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: can expect the draft that Alter can do. You can
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: expect the seal that even Alter does. But then I
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: guess because of just the longitivity and just the age
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: of the game. You have spotlight events, which are focused
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: on specific individual properties. You got Retro format, which is
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: the modern version of Universes, which includes cars back from
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: two twenty ten. You got some other really random forms
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: like old dogs, new tricks. You can use cars from
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: all the way, way way way back. But that's because
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: the game is lived for along.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I mean number one, it allows you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to play a game on a different level.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: For Altered, I have been super casual with it, but
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that's not everybody, right, So somebody was like I want
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to get into this and I want to get into
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the competitive sphere. What does that look like? Right? And
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: again we haven't. We've only had what two or three
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: in person in the United States in person events that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: were of large scaler canible.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, two unless you count gen Con than three.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Gen Con is hard to count because it was before
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: the game officially launched, and while there was competitive style events,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it wasn't constructed. But yeah, Packs and Gamers Guild Arizona.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: There was another tournament that someone tried to start up,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I think around Boston or something, but it was it
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: was not very big.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I just I kind of feel like too, like I
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: was going somewhere with that. Oh. The level of competitiveness
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: with uniques is like very like there is a huge
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: gap yep, from like all the different factions have these
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: massive gaps between them.
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: There are definitely uniques that fill those gaps, and it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: a sliding scale for sure, but we generally either see
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: very mid uniques that people probably open them theirselves, or
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: uniques that people probably bought for two hundred plus dollars.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: So it's often that we see either the meh or
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: the very good instead of just seeing the super solid
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: probably like fifty to one hundred dollars range uniques, but
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: they definitely do exist. It's a sliding scale.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, what was that Felix as Ymour
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: uniques forer box. Yeah, I don't think too many. I mean,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I'll be the and to complain about that. If there
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: are more uniques per box, does it make them less unique?
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: No, it's just there's there's still unique right Like, but like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: if there are more uniques per box, it does give
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: you more opportunity to pull something worthwhile, because I mean
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I showed you guys all my uniques. What do I got?
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I remember Julio opened a case a couple of weeks
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: ago and I think three of his boxes had five
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: uniques and three of them had four.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: That was really good luck. That's yeah with for a
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: trial by Frost, right, Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: incredible luck.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: We did a crazy faction break that day and we Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: He's like, we'll open all these boxes and all the
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: factions around and just pay for the for the faction
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: break that you want it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: So that's cool.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a faction break a couple of weeks ago.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Creative wanted more mona cards, but couldn't get a whole box.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, I'll just order one
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: and then we can split it between you, me and Dexter.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: And we got three uniques in that box.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Somebody would have told me, yeah, later, Wie is always
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: faction breaks. Always in our faction breaks ages.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: They might do a box breaks sealed Faction breaks shield,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: but I mean, still.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Living in Wisconsin, little problem of big distance.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I posted a thirty nine cards link in
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the audience and the first player there. If you look
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: at that player that took first, this isn't in person event,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: this one is in France. Yes, their uniques are not
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: that crazy to me. I feel like one of them
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: is really good and that's the Ruinscribe and the other
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: are just fine. But while the rest of you look
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: at that WOOKI would you would it just blow your
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: mind to know that the most complained about uniques right
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: now are in Muna.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Would it blow my mind?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: No, Altered players are weird. I'm just I'm gonna flat
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: out say, like, I've met the community. It's a great community, right,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: but like the things that are complained about, just like
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: are the weirdest shit I've ever heard. It's just like,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: that's not really a problem, and it's like but it is.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: It's like but but but it's not not really a problem.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I just that's yeah, that's that's another good conversation.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: That's a conversation for another day. But no, what was
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the question again?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: These these uniques, so there's all I guess I should
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: read them for people listening.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking at you too. So one's a boundary mechanic,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: pretty average. You know, if you control tokens, you create
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the recruit, or if you control a token, when played
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: from anywhere, you create the recruit.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: From reserve, you create two recruits. In my expedition, So.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, you're right, Yeah, I'm on a different
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: deck my bed. I was. I was. I immediately was like,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: screw artists, what's this? Fed and crowbar?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: No where I'm talking about who took first?
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? But yeah, when played from reserve, you control a token,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: create an artist recruit. In my expedition, quick action is
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: the next permanent you play this afternoon costs one last.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: That's a very that's a very uh lyra thing to do.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: The run scribe make another non token or when another
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: non token creature joins your expedition. If you control a token,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: create an artist one one one soldier token in my expedition,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: or you can just quick action to create a token
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: soldier in your hero Is expedition. And then there's an
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Athena which you can sack a character. If you do
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: up to two target characters each game, two boosts, play
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: it from a reserve. If you control one or more landmarks,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it loses fleeting. Yeah, that's not great.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: The rune scribe is very good. It's a very good
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Ortis unique, but the other two are just average.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: The Athenas I don't even know if that's good.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, it isn't sicky?
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: What?
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: You just? You just sack a token.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Yep and.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Boosts.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's five costs, so it's a little harder
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: to get rid of at least and beyond the gates.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: All right, so here's my gym. All right, you're all
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: ready for my soapbox. I slammed it down. How the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: hell did Ortis get beat to a bloody like literally,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: like everything I feel like everything Equinox has done is
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: designed to like target Ortis and like stop them from
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: controlling the world. And yet somehow they're still controlling the world.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: How does this happen?
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: I haven't done that much to Siggy at all. It
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: was just the awesome.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: It was mainly Wau, I will give you that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: But like they have murdered war again and again.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's like the head of the hydra, right,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: like you chop one off, two more pop up. It's
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: like what was always good?
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and just less people were playing Siggy because Waru
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: is so prevalent.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in my opinion, it's because artists has the most
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: access to the most valuable low cost units. There are
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: so many good one and two cost units in artists
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: that they are just like unstoppable, which also makes their
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: uniques a lot better as well, because there is no
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: artists unique that you are afraid of pulling because it's
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: gonna cost ten or nine or eight. Like, I literally
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen an artist unique go that high.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I just want somewhere to put my unique robin Hood
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: in my lyra, Like, uh.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: That are pretty high.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, aness is uh, a fauness is meta now, so
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Robinhood is actually good. People are just still scared to
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: using but one.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Faunas is the Faunas and Cigure definitely the two.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Man three unique spindle harvesters. That's crazy.
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: I'm looking at that deck right now, bas this neck
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: looks perfect, Bananas, I'm gonna make my faunas just like this,
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: except not.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I still got to build by deck that makes Cole
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: regret his life choices.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I'm really live in Wisconsin.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, just be like, hey, you want to you
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: want to change those life choices? Maybe?
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe so, Hey, I think we went over one thing,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, altered that. We'd like to see an altered
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: what what else you got? What other things from other
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: TCGs could altered? Take on? Or even just want to
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: come back in general because you miss it?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Does this open to anyone?
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Or thinking what else from other cards and he could bring?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I'm I'm because this is me and
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of weird.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I just want to pick up.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm man to pick up.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's only second set in so you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: here we are. But I would really like you guys
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: have it so good down by you that you guys
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: have a community down there that has like really taken
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: to the game, and like you have the ability to
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: play it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: I love how you explain it that way when it's
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: literally a community that we've like scraped together.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And still get like twenty people.
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: No, no, where are you getting twenty from?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I just kind of I assumed probably we.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Know Trial by Frost has been better, which means we've
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: had consistently five people well in my area October, November, December,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: and a little bit of January. I was the only
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: one showing up, so it couldn't.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Fire like I'm just Houston has been hovering into pretty
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: big from three to ten, but it's on and off.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: These past couple of weeks have been three, three or four.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: The way I read that question is how can we
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: make altered better to get like a larger community?
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if that's how you want to take it,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: That's how I read it.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Right, So two of you have played a shit ton
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: of TCGs and then Dexter's played a good amount and
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I've played like two, So.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you you have to somehow, some way
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: gets store owners interested, and the question is how how
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: do you make that happen?
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: I think something that is possible, but it's going to
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: be very, very difficult is if they have collaborations.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Get like a larger IP involved.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Correct, which is also something that people said they quit
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Altered if they did.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: So it's a fun but like this is the game
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: to do it though, right, Like nothing's off the table.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: You already have like strange IP correlations in here, right,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Like not directly, like you don't directly have like Marvel
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: in here, but you already have like a low key
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: right that's already in there. That's that's very you know, Mark.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I am also of the opinion that Altered could do
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: it in a very cool way where they could make
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: it their own, because that is Altered's thing right now, right,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Like all of these characters exist in like mythology or
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: different stories, legends things like that. I think there are
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: a handful that are created just for Altered. But there's Alice,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: there's you know, the Two Fairy or Loki as you mentioned,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: a clue like Scottie. Like, all of these are from
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: different culture myth and legends. So I think if they
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: did like a like Grim fairy Tale team up or
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: something like and did it in their style, I think
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: it would be really cool.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: That would be super cool yeah. I mean they already
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: have the three Little pigs, right, yep, yep.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I mean something that could be cool weird. I mean
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I mean with a
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, there is uh you guys ever
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: watch or maybe you've heard of the TV show Supernatural?
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: No?
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I never heard of it?
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: Are you?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Are you serious? Of course I've heard of Just listen.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I mentioned it the other day and somebody had told
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: me that and they're like, I've never heard of that.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Like oh really, wow, Like it was on for like
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: seventy nine seasons or something like that. I don't know it,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: it was on for forever. I mean when you're talking collab,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: that could be a very cool collab, right. I mean
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: you're getting a little dark there, right, You're going into
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: things like the devil and angels and stuff of that nature.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: But again, this is all stuff and like mythological lore, right,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and you have a very fanatical built in play. Uh yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: fan base. I'll get that word out eventually, right, Like,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: it's all stuff that is already pretty much available to
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: the altered first that you can work and you know,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: a little obscure, but like you have a huge fan
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: base already. I mean, geez, my wife's watched Supernatural like
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: seventeen times, right, Like you have a huge fanatical fan
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: base that'd be like, oh what what's this and that
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: might check it out.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. This is a side note, but I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: am so ready for like the dark themed set and Altered.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: There's already demons. I mean, Basira is literally her idol
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: On or whatever is a demon. There's as modious like soakabaru,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I am, I am.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Are there any angels an Altered? You know, I never
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: really looked I I never even really knew about the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: demons either, to be fair, like, I never really looked
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: too much into the characters except when you're like, oh
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: like thor lokay, I know these these people?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean unless you count Sun
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Wukong as an angel of some sort. I'm not sure
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: we can this. Uh, this last one we can do
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: real quick. The last slotted, written down question I had
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: for Felix was how is it teaching Altered versus other TCGs.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Luckily, it has been pretty smooth, just for the fact
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: that their decks are locked to a specific color, so
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: faction pretty much and Mona was pretty much cuddle us,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: so you don't have to think in terms of colors
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: and so on, and the statistics is pretty straightforward as
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: you placed up around. So in that sense, it's been
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: pretty simple compared to some of the other games that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: I've had to teach before.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Now, I think some.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Of the teams that hit before use scripts when teaching
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: the game, So that's something that was different when I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: when I participated in a demo back at Gen Con,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: so that was kind of that was different for.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Sure that we didn't have a script.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, for universes, we have a script. Okay, we
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: play it, we play around. People forget the script, but
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: there is a script to at least have them go
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: over the basic mechanics at the game, and we have
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: that game end with the script. So it doesn't allow,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: at least currently, a lot of flexibility in terms of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: people to just practice stuff on their own. Pokemon allows
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: for it a little bit just because it does have
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: a script, but it's very easy to just turn forty
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: five degrees and you go out of a ravine and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: you just to improvise at that point. But that was
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: different in a sense because I've been practicing with a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: script for.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: So long, but it is. It is nice just because
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: it's pretty straightforward.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: We had a script for the roadshows and it kind
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: of introduced you to the world have altered a little
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: bit and like what happened and the confluence and things
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: like that, and then we had like a way that
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: we were going through how to describe the game, and
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: we had like the demo deck set out. But for
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: gen Con, the main focus was like a quick demo
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: where we let them sit down, run through it real quick,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: and be like you can play until you finish, or
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: now that I've you know, given you the quick demo,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: you can you can leave if you need and get
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: your promo. So I really like the way that we
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: did it at gen Con. I think it was done
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: the same at Packs, but I was judging instead of demoing,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: so I'm not sure if they had anything else set up.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's very easy to approach and teach
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: from the outside looking in, like just imagining how I
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: would teach Key Forge or Universes or something. It's just
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: it seems like a whole lot.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Universes has a problem when it comes to teaching,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: and it says that there's a lot of reading you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: need to be done, and there's a lot of timing
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: issues I need to keep track of, and all these
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: ability types they need to keep track of.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the reasons I kind of stopped doing
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: that stuff with Star Wars is I just can't keep
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: up with it. When I did the roadshow for Star Wars,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: it was literally only two decks. One person was playing
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: the Luke Deck and one person was playing the Vader
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: and that was it. So like you were just teaching
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: two specific demo decks. Yeah, now it just sounds scary
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: for me to try to dive back in and learn
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: that meta since I'm not as connected to it.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: So there's also that the mechanics of the game, what
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I like to say, is a kin to chess, which
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Pokemon has a similarity to. So every player their turn
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: a sacred so they get the pace themselves when they play,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: and then they pass to turn to your opponent to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: do the same.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: So it allows for them to sit down and really
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: think things through.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: But when you have something like magic the Gathering, or
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: you gi oh or universes in this case, there's a
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: lot of intricactive windows where you can cut in and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: respond to.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Stuff and overcomplicates a lot.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: I'm very glad that Altered does not have the turn
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: cycle that like Magic does, because if you look at
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: the full like turn cycle on how Magic is supposed
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: to work, and you're like trying to work through it
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: on paper, it's too much. I ain't got time for that.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: All right, you guys ready for questions, Let's do it.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Since I've let Cole drive the show to to.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I figured you were just, you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: smooching the wife or something. You went quiet for a moment.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: No, I've been here. I've just been listening. You know.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I do that. I sometimes I just listen. I know,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: it's I know it's odd to hear. Yeah, I just
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I you know, I've really been deep into that question,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Like I have been thinking about it, like what did
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: other how did other TCGs? Like what are they not
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: necessarily maybe doing different? But like I do like Altered,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I wish I could play it more. I wish I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: had a local that I could be like, hey, guys,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and go in and and like play games.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Like my schedule's kind of packed already right with all
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: the show as I do and stuff like that, so
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like one of those things. It's like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I just don't have anybody local that does anything. I mean,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I I created the Milwaukee area altered Facebook page, which
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: is weird, like I just kind of expected it to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: be there, and it wasn't. Like how do we get
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: like the storefront to be like, yep, this is something
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I want to support, this is something And that's where
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I went with it, like how do we grow the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: community base? How do we get it bigger? And it's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: like that leads me to the questions of, well, who
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: really drives community in anything? The store owners, right, they
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: can make a buck off it, they'll support it. But
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: how do I make it so that my local store
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: owner can make a buck off it and they're willing
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: to support it. And that's that's one I'm I'm baffled
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: at at the current time because there's so I mean,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's two thousand and five, two thousand
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: and six all over again. There's so many damn card
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: games out again, Like we're in that such it's very
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: cyclical how card games go. There's like forty seven thousand
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: of them or there's like five right like, and it's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: it keeps going in that same kind of cycle. You know.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I remember way again, way back when in two thousand
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: and five, man, there was so many card games. I'm
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: playing Battlestar GALACTICUS, CCG, Hakkatou, Magi Nation Warlord. I get
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: so many different you know, L L five R. I'm
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: playing so many different TCGs, and then like all these
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: are now gone, right AG Well, I don't think AG
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: went defunked, but they stopped really like doing anything with
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: card games, and then all these you know, they everything
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: kind of fell off the face of the planet and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: it moved more into like hexpayra hex clickbased games and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Hero Clicks was like booming, and then all of a sudden,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: nobody wanted to play hero Clicks anymore, and everybody moved
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: into like different miniature games where it was like Star Wars,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you guys remember the Star
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Wars miniature game when they tried to be like, hey,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: what if we took miniature's and put them in PA
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: and had people buy them for an insane amount of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: money apiece. Like everybody went to that, And now we're
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: back at it where it's like everything has a card game.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I have good news for you Wookie. Yeah,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: there are three events in Milwaukee right now on the map.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Oh are there? They finally added some I know there's
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: one in one of the game stores. I don't go.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about Battle Brothers before, so they're still there.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: The new names I don't recognize are Board Game Barrister
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: and odd Willows Game Haven.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I have never heard of odd Willow's Game Haven, and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to google it right now. I have heard
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: of Board Game Barrister, Odd Willows Willow.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the competition is so high. They just started Grand
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Archive weeklies at the lgs that I go to, so
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: they're on the same night as Altered every like.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Oh that's.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Your band.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's like it's like an hour away.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Every time we bring Lookie brings this up.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I know you're like, I drive, I drive in the
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: snow uphill both ways to go play.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not even saying that. It's just like, oh, look,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: there's three new stories, and then Lookie's like, oh, that's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: too far away.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I always feel like if I was in Madison.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Live in the middle of nowhere is what I I don't.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: I live right outside of Milwaukee, but like the hub
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: of like the awesome hub for like all these places
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: to go play is always like it's always like Madison,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Like Madison's an hour and a half. For me, it's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: it's always so far away. It's like, why is everything
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: so far away? Board game Barristers. It's run by a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: guy that I don't necessarily like. So, yeah, that's a thing.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's that. That's on me. That's on me.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: So quick. Quick answer to your question is we're all
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: organizing via discord. The hive is starting up.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: But.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: We're holding Felix here hostage.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, Felix, we're holding you the day of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: all things.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: How's How's well? This is another little side. Is the
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: kid okay? Good? Doing okay? Feeling better?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: Ups and down pretty much? We'll see how she does tomorrow.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, what is your favorite piece of lower
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: so far? From jaconis atreon question.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: I'll start the hero's lower so far. I don't haven't
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: done in particular that I like more than others, but
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: Siggy I like his griffin.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Felix, did you say you had something?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: I have done my homework. I've read two pieces of laur.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: I read SIGGI and I read GARRICKT and I've skipped
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: everything else.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: You're really wanting those Garrick uniques, aren't you?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: Yes, I do any one more, any one with a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: zero statistic lyra.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: One I will. Yeah, we're all very bad at Laura,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: So I apologize for clonez. It's something that I want
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: to work on. I really do, because a lot of
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: the concepts are dope. My answer is a cop out.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I just really like how the world is built and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: the fact that there is technically no one outside of
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: the realm of possibility besides copyright law. Like I've said,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Winnie the Cook exists. There is a Winnie the Poo card.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: It just cannot come out because it is not public
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: domain in the UK. So whoever is a legendary character
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: in one way or another in the world, they could
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: maybe go to altered one day.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: I do like the fact that we have a map,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: so it makes nice.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Visualized where exactly everything is located, and it's something that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: I enjoy from some books that I've read, like Stonelike
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: Archive it has a map. Then you know the fiber Rings,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: it has a map, so it makes easy to pinpoint
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: where exactly the story is going on.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this Battle Brothers now, so Google Maps
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: takes me to literally it takes me to Brazil and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Benski LLLC Family Law Firm. So now I'm like super confused,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Like where where's Battle Brothers here?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I am poor at lore at best. I agree with you, like,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: I like the ability to like there's there is no
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: like out of the realm of possibility. Mm hmmm, because
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: that means you can do whatever you want. And for
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: a game to more or less own its own own
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: IP makes things pretty dope, right, because that means that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: there's no cost to it, and that's normally what kills
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of card games is the fact that it
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: is costs you an arm and a leg to own
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the IP.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do things as well that I just realized. The
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: way that they created the world allows for the flexibility
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: to just introducing a lot of things at the same time.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: I think back to letting you to the Five Rings,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: and it will be pretty cool if they hold champion
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: chips where winners of factions can decide on what happens
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: in the story.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: You know they finally took I I okay, you ready
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: for this? I'm gonna claim ownership of this because I
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: don't think Gigi actually listens to this Ghost Galaxy. So
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I had brought this up to Ghost Galaxy many moons
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: ago that hey, you know there's factions in the game
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: that and this is key Forge. There's factions of this game,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: and man, it would be pretty dope if you held
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: an event just like old school L five R did,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: where like the outcome of the event determines what happens.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: And they came up with the Mars Civil War event,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: which is total that Like, it was probably the best
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: event Gigi has ever run that wasn't involving like a
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: lot of travel, right because you can just go to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: your local lgs and play it. Great event, and I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: love games that do that. I hope to see more
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: of it in other card games because that's so much fun.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: I got to participate in one of those, and it's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: so much fun knowing like you're controlling what's happening next.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty dope. I remember reading a little bit
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: about that, but then most of what I read about
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: it was people complaining about how it was done as usual.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So I mean there was some issues, but like they
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: they would have like clan battles right where like you're
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: going to this large event and like it's a clan battle,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: meaning you can only bring a deck of that clan.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: So it was like something, you know, maybe something was
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: going on with Dragon Clan or Phoenix or whoever it was,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: and like they would have these giant clan battles and
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I know that rub people a lot the wrong way
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: because they're like, well, I don't play Phoenix. It's like,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: what do you do now if you want to play
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: in this event. I don't know if if those ever
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: weren't off as good, but.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: I this is my p s A to anyone and
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: everyone try a different deck you might have on Ye.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try it. But I told you what's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: going to happen.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: I'm proud of you.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw I think it was. I saw Pandy
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Andy's deck like list. I was like, you have two decks?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: What the fuck? And he was like yeah, I could
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: not believe it. Two two. I'm gonna show you a
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: screenshot as we go to this next question.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: What do you want you want me to read the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: next the next question while you look for your screenshot? Yeah,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: all right, So from Josh a. How do you how
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: does the cast feel about the current limits to printing
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: on demand promo cards and alternate arts? What do you
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: mean the limits?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: So I'll give you my answer real quick in that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care which I would.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: What do you mean limits? What limits were put on?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I might put the wrong
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: amount because I don't care. But it's like, if you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: have an alt art or a promo, you can only
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: print it. I think one time a year. I think
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: that is the limit.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Ooh oh that's only for all dart and promos though, right.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, just all dart promos.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Oh. I still don't know if I like that. I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: guess that.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know, I know why a lot of
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: people don't like the role, but I'm fine with it.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Well because now if I get rid, I don't know
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: that that could get dicey. I understand why they're doing it,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if I like that.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it would allow for the twenty twenty three promos
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: to still keep their value for those that are very
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: highly collectors.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: But I'm also twenty twenty three promos just hero like,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: they're just full art heroes, right.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're just full art heroes.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Yep, but a set of them goes for about a grand.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: Are you serious?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, I sold mine for just over eight hundred.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: So okay, you've got all of them.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I've been working with Altered since before the Kickstarter. Okay, yeah,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: I was I was just too poor to back the kickstarter. Yeah,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I guess I should provide a better
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: answer than I don't care, because the further part of
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: this is is it too restrictive and encourages predatory selling?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: I think so there's there's two sides here. Is a
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: lot of people always complain about how Altered doesn't have
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: that chase or that investment aspect, but then at the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: same time are upset about not being able to reprint
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: certain things. So I don't think you can have both.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I think they are rare and harder to obtain for
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: a reason. So I think I like the fact that
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: you can't keep reprinting them. But at the same time,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I don't ever see myself printing them at all anyways.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: But that's just me.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: What it is.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: Especially with the sheer amount of people that will be
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: using the marketplace, yep, everybody is going to be the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: fact that as long as you have the regular version
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: you're allowed to have. You used a promo, even if
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: you don't own it digitally, doesn't it's not going to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: make them overly valuable.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: In that sense.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: You can always just print your foil copy and then
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: just sell the nonfoil copies rights and you still got
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: your promo. You don't need another one because you want
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: to make a business out of it. But then it
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: turned predatory, like Col Robbie just said, Yeah.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: I so, I don't know if this is a thing
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: that's going to stick around forever. It might technically be
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: not intended on the deck builder, But if you have
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: an alt art of a character, and you have one,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: but you own three total copies of the card, in general,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: you can add three copies of the alt art to
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: your deck. Right now, that doesn't really mean anything on BGA,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: but you can so.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: On once you get out of the BG eight dungeon,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Like this me has more meaning. But right now everybody
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: is just playing on BGA as far as I know. Yeah,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: and unless you're unless you're unless you're in Europe, then
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: you actually get like events, Yeah, a lot of a
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: lot of events in Europe, all right, Well, here you go.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Doom Bringer wants to know why doesn't anybody play Sierra. Well,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: now we have one dexter trying Sierra.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: Mainly because of doom Bringer, and I saw a bunch
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: of different lists that he had made. It seemed like
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: super fun. So now you're cheating, and uh, what do
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: you mean I'm cheating?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: You're looking at the list, but you're looking at the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: list of questions beforehand You're like, what do you mean.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: No, I made this before this, he made this question?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure you did, Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Nintendo to My honest answer is when we first started
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: the podcast, we all kind of wanted to take a
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: specific what's it specialty, and of course mine since the
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: beginning has been Muna more specifically Tasia and Ogre rip
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Ogre not dead but gone from the cast. Uh was
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: doing traced and Axiom mostly. So that is one reason,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: and the other reason is because Doombringer has been here
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: so long that if anyone has a question about Sierra
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: or wants to know just anything, I'm just like, that's
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: that's Doombringer. So I just tagged Doombringer. And that's literally
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: the reason why I've never played Sierra, because.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: We have someone else that does it for us, Let's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: go do it?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Was it was that originally our idea.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we picked our own that we did.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: You did Lyra well, I didn't like. I told you
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: guys why I chose Lyra. Yeah, and what happened. And
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: then my my other one obviously I picked because I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: want I want to break it. But that's a whole
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: nother that's a whole nother, whole nother story for another day.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Because we had six people, so doing that also allows
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: us to be able to speak to each faction and
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: deck building, and then when everyone was together and being
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: more competitive, it also meant that there was a player for.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Each faction, and Lyra got ship.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Novenka's been taking tournaments. You gotta you gotta get on it.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on it. I'm going to get on it.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to see that.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: The Yeah, I haven't seen any Navenka stuff on thirty.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Look at a Wall season two, week two. Yeah, crowbar,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's a fen and crowbar.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, you can just look at heroes and then go
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: to Novenka and see current rankings. But yeah, there's been
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of uh, Novenka placements, even even the Sayonara
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: got or in in Ace and yeah, Gamminite is the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: is the main Novenka player though, and has gone six
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: and oh with Novenka.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: So remember that was a month ago though.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: A member of a f t U.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Game Gammonite.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Gammonite.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, I I I enjoy it, but I
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: really I'm looking right now. One of these days, I'm
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: going to get time right and I want to uh.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: My goal now because Cole has told me this is
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: something that bothers him. My goal now is to make
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: the most toxic Akasha dec that you've ever do.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah you'll you'll be happy to know that I faced
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: an other type of toxic at Kesha deck that is
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: going to happen in trial by Frosts.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Oh great, great this so this is now my new
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: goal because literally Cole willed it.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: I actually started designing a T shirt today.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: Let me do I for Akisha.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: It's it's close, it's close.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: But why you look for that? I'm going to go
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: through the event. So make sure you join a wall
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: every single Monday and Wednesday, Ace break Week Singleton. I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: don't know when those happened. Tuesday a season three is coming.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Huh yeah, so I have full control. I guess big
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Z has let me loose and I'm either going to
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: make people mad or weirded out or something. It'll be coming.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll be the the Tuesday a
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: week from this upcoming Tuesday, or I'll take another break week.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: We'll see. Got to figure out prizing and all of that,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: but there will there will be prizing and Twitch streams
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: will be coming back because of that, and then AQZ
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: is on Thursdays. Local events check our website or check
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: the altered website for events. A lot more popping up
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: all around the United States, and I almost forgot, but
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: should definitely call it out if there is someone listening
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: to this that's in DFW but not in the discord.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: I will be doing a learn to play on March
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: first at common Ground in Dallas, So if you need
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: to learn a little more or go meet with other
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: people to learn more, I will be doing that. I
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: don't have the time yet, but I will be there and.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: About to say down for an online learn to play.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I could use a little refresher.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I will give you an online learn to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: play or whatever, but this this is, to your point,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: part of the initiative to get people into the stories
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: more playing.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: All weird story. Okay, So I just had a thought
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this. Remember Magic used to
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: do those like learn to play, like they had the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: events and like they gave you a deck or like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: half a deck or something like that. That would that
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: be something that like if if altered went to see
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: and the problem is, like here's the deal. The biggest
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: problem is is they went with Asthma Day as their distributor.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Like it's such a double edged sword because Asthma Day
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Europe is fantastic, right fly over the pond and Asthma
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Day North America absolute garbage yep, Like just the trashiest
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: of trash and I no apologies there. So for Equinox
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: to go with Asthma Day because they're European based, like
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: totally makes sense. Large like one of the largest European distributors,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: and they're good, they do great, but when it comes
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: to North America, Wolf, yeah, Like I remember they still
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: do Keyfarde to this day, and like I remember we
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: were trying to go through our local to get some
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: key Forarde stuff for like the event we wanted to do,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: and like the ASTHMA Day REP for Asthmade North America
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, key, Fords is still a thing, and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, dude, you distribute this shit, but what is
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: the matter with you?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is also an issue with Altered, which is great.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: So that was a That's what I was thinking too,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: because they're like, Hey, we're gonna give like these create
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: some sort of starter kit for Trial by Frost or whatever,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, hey, you know we're gonna we
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: got these free things. Like they're really cool. Like if
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: you buy like a case of Altered, like you get
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: the starter kit with it, and it man, it helps you,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe get an Altered community growing there, and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: it'd be great. But I don't even think the Asmdate
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: North America Rep would know what existed.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they I will not be giving out like half
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: of a deck or starter decks or anything. And also disclaimer,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the full kit will arrive in
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: time for the March first event. In the future learning
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: to Place that I'll be hosting, there will be promo
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: boosters and I think, but don't don't quote me on this,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: I think it will give you an adventure pass level
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: for attending as well, So it is a really good
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: start for someone.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my hands on some of
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: those sweet sweet prize.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Packs, yeah, the promo boosters.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: It is potentially someone that learns Altered for the first
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: time might get a unique So that would be really cool.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if it'll come in time for March. First.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: I had already talked with my lgs and they reached
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: out to set a date, so we'll see. One thing
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: I'll say about that is Equinox themselves are very good
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: at what they provide for demos and learn to plays
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: and prizes because they do to a certain point control
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: their own like marketing stock and things like that, and
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: it is kind of separate from Asthma Day and they've
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: always been very generous.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: So Star Wars to get with Equinox and be like, hey,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: what's up.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Star Wars. I got to keep absolutely nothing from
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: when I did roadshows and Altered. I have one copy
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: of every demo deck. I have so many shirts and
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: all other sorts of stuff. So yeah, they do very
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: very well in that regard trying to support the people
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: in the community.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: All right, what do we got laft that should be yep.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: That's the end of that. So again, make sure you
• 1:32:42
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• 1:32:46
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• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: It's been awesome to see and know. Kind of an
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: odd episode, but you know what, it was a lot
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: of fun talking to Felix, and thank you for coming on, Felix.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: We greatly do appreciate it.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: It was fun. And then make sure you check out
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: the twitch screen twitch stream. You think I'd be good
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: at this after like a decade or so, right, but
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: still I trip over my own words sometimes. It's a
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: lot of fun and you can leave all those dirty
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: comments down on below. Let us know what you think
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: about any of the questions we went for thus far.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Head over to the patreon do the thing over there.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what we're doing on Patreon. That's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: all up to Cole now since Cole has the keys,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: we'll figure out some stuff over on the Patreon to
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: do for you guys over there and let us know.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: And with that being said, we'll see y'all next week.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: Later right that lofall, they go out, don't there.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: That's what rop the god.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: Go.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: That's what T was like, Hey, whoa.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: What don't dump that you County God day to day?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: WHOA what's god.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: Go?
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: That's what was like, Hey, whoa what do dum that Joe.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: County God day to day? Hey look what a big brag?
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: Why don't break God? So they dumping out fucking stop myself,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: the perfect drags off, Rob, protect God
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 7: Right down lofall, they go out