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HIT-AND-RUN COWARD Mows Hero Boy Down Dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Do you have children. I've
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Speaker 1: got two and they're twins, boy girl, John David and
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Speaker 1: Lucy Lynch. I want to tell you about another little boy, thirteen.
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Speaker 1: His name Tyler Phillips. A speeding suv comes barreling down
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Speaker 1: the road. He and his sister walking in the lane
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Speaker 1: for bikes see it coming. Tyler risks his own life
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Speaker 1: and dives in front of his sister to save her.
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Speaker 1: The suv pulls him down, mos over the little boy
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Speaker 1: and keeps going. We want justice. This little boy that
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Speaker 1: saved his sister's life is dead, but the hunt for
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Speaker 1: his killer is very much alive. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation, and Sirius XM one eleven, listen to this.
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Speaker 1: He's my hero, anguished cries from the mother of thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old Tyler Phillips, left for dead at the sight
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Speaker 1: of a quorum roaded by a driver who fled the scene.
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Speaker 1: He has no brain function. He's gone. Tyler's organs are
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Speaker 1: being donated. Word of the tragedy posted down the William
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Speaker 1: Floyd School District website, where he was a student in
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Speaker 1: the middle school. When you play football for William Floyd.
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Speaker 1: He was a good kid. I missed my baby. Tyler
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Speaker 1: was walking home from a neighborhood park with his sister
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Speaker 1: on Granny Road along the bicycle path. It was seven
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Speaker 1: twenty five pm Wednesday when police say the siblings were
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Speaker 1: hit from behind. Tyler tried to push his older sister,
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Speaker 1: Crystal Randolph, out of harm's way. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: from our friends at WCBS two. Now take a listen
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Speaker 1: to w NBC four. Tyler's sister, Crystal, also thirteen, was
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Speaker 1: walking home with him last night along Granny Road in
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Speaker 1: Medford towards Route one twelve when they were struck. Crystal
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Speaker 1: says her brother saved her life. He saved my life,
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Speaker 1: which you mean and always being na car hit her
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Speaker 1: first and then ended up like I guess he wants
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Speaker 1: to go jump and grab her and it just took him.
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Speaker 1: She said. She watched him flyings in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the street and she pulled him out the street. She
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Speaker 1: called to Amblence. They told her to give him CPR
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Speaker 1: and that wasn't joining me an all star panel of
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Speaker 1: guests to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to special guest joining us.
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Speaker 1: It's Dorian Geiger, national crime reporter and editor with Oxygen.
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Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter at d Guy sit
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Speaker 1: on Insta at Dorian Geiger. Dorian, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. What happened absolutely tragic case, Nancy, As you stated,
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Speaker 1: you know, you had this thirteen year old boy coming
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Speaker 1: home from a park with his sister on October twelfth,
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Speaker 1: round seven thirty pm, walking in a bike lane, reports
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Speaker 1: habit and dark colored sub at two thousand and five
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine Chevrolet Equinox struck them. Was not
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Speaker 1: did not have any lights on by all accounts, even
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Speaker 1: though it was dark out, and kept moving. As you know,
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Speaker 1: when the vehicle struck, it hit Chris delt Tyler's sister,
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Speaker 1: and he managed to shove her out of the way
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Speaker 1: just in time and bore the bruns of that crash. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: he did not survive. I'm trying to determine were these
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Speaker 1: two twins, Dorian. The sister is also thirteen. I believe
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Speaker 1: she's fourteen, and that's according to what their mother, desire
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Speaker 1: Max Is posted on Facebook. So I don't believe they
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Speaker 1: are twins. I believe she's fourteen, a year older. I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering when the posting was, but in any event, the
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Speaker 1: two of them were incredibly close and had been through
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Speaker 1: so much together. So not only does the guy plow
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Speaker 1: down the little boy, he keeps going. He absolutely keeps going.
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Speaker 1: There's no way. Let me bring in Robert Farley, joining us,
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Speaker 1: former detective at the Cook County Sheriff's Police Department, also
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Speaker 1: with the US Marshall, commanding officer of the Child Exploitation
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Speaker 1: Unit and a consultant. You can find him at Farley
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Speaker 1: International far l e YI NTL dot com. Robert, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. There is no way in
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Speaker 1: h L this driver did not know he had something. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right with my own experience on
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Speaker 1: the police department. What I've found is that most pedestrian
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Speaker 1: deaths are the result of driver negligence and as a result,
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at some of them, in
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Speaker 1: some cases you'll have a distracted driver because you have
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Speaker 1: a carload of kids their lap and they're joking. In
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Speaker 1: other cases you have the influence of drugs or alcohol.
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Speaker 1: You might have a situation where the person was texting
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Speaker 1: as the person was driving. Here in Chicago, where I
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Speaker 1: spent most of my career where I live. In some cases,
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Speaker 1: it could be a stolen or a carjack a vehicle,
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Speaker 1: you know. In some other cases you'd have an underaged
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Speaker 1: driver who was driving the car without permission, or you
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Speaker 1: have somebody who's suspended or doesn't even have a driver relations.
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Speaker 1: So there's a whole variety of your reasons why people
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Speaker 1: wouldn't stop. Not justifying it, certainly, but it's a horrible,
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Speaker 1: horrible thing, especially when you have this little boy, you know,
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Speaker 1: going save save his sister and you know, tragically die
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Speaker 1: as results. I'm looking at a picture of him, Tyler
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Speaker 1: Phillips carrying his sister on piggyback, incredibly close and have
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Speaker 1: been through so much, and they're very short lines. They're
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Speaker 1: the same age as my twins. And to think this
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Speaker 1: s ob mowed this boy down and just kept on going,
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Speaker 1: not even trying to determine is the boy dead or alive?
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Speaker 1: If it's alive, can I help him? What, if anything,
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Speaker 1: can I do? I take a listen now to our
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Speaker 1: friends at w NBC four. The crash happened around seven
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Speaker 1: thirty last night. It was already dark. Crystal told us
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Speaker 1: the suv had no lights on. Police are currently looking
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Speaker 1: for the vehicle. We expect the vehicle involved to have
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Speaker 1: front end or side passengers damage. We are currently canvassing
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Speaker 1: the area for witnesses and video. The siblings have been
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Speaker 1: hanging out at this Gordon Heights Children's Park, the closest
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Speaker 1: playground to the shelter where they have lived for a
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Speaker 1: year or Most of the families do not have transportation,
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Speaker 1: so they walk to where the closest places for entertainment,
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Speaker 1: and that small park is the closest place where they
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Speaker 1: finally can go. I want to talk about his injuries.
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Speaker 1: I know he suffered extreme brain damage on impact after
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Speaker 1: his spinal cord became disconnected from his skull. Doctor Kennel
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Speaker 1: Crowns is with US Esteemed Chief Medical EXAMRA out of
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Speaker 1: Tarrant County that's in Fort Worth Lecturer University Texas and
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Speaker 1: Texas A and M also a University of Texas medical branch.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us. What does
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Speaker 1: that mean? Extreme brain damage pact after spinal core becomes
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Speaker 1: disconnected from skull. So what that is is basically it's
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Speaker 1: called an internal decapitation, so the head has separated from
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Speaker 1: the neck, and the skeletal structures and attendance are no
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Speaker 1: longer keeping it in place, and basically it's held on
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Speaker 1: usually by skin only. So he has been decapitated, essentially,
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Speaker 1: but his head is still attached because of whatever skin
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Speaker 1: and tissues still holding it at place in that situation.
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Speaker 1: You know, when I asked you that question, doctor Kennel Crowns,
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Speaker 1: I did not anticipate your answer, which is something I
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Speaker 1: would never, of course do in court. Ask the question
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Speaker 1: you don't know the answer to may not like it.
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Speaker 1: Could you repeat that very very slowly, sure, doctor Crowns. So,
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Speaker 1: based on the description you've given me, what that is
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Speaker 1: is an internal decap pitation, and what it is is
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Speaker 1: the head. It's separated from the neck, but it's still
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Speaker 1: being in the skeletal structures, the musculature all that have
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Speaker 1: kind of been torn, but it's still being held in
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Speaker 1: by a few amount of soft tissue and skin. So
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Speaker 1: his head is separated from his neck, and it's only
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Speaker 1: it didn't come off of his body because it's still
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Speaker 1: being held in place by a skin and soft tissue.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand, the spine connects the body to
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Speaker 1: the head and then the skin around in front and
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Speaker 1: around and in the back of your neck. You're saying
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Speaker 1: that the spine was severed, so the head is no
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Speaker 1: longer disconnected to the body except by the skin holding
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Speaker 1: in a place correct And potentially the spinal cord could
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Speaker 1: still be intact, but stretched to a point that it
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Speaker 1: is completely damaged. It can either be torn in half
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Speaker 1: or stretched really bad, and he would be looking at
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Speaker 1: if there would survival, he would be basically a quadriplegic.
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Speaker 1: A quadriplegic means you have no use of your arms
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Speaker 1: or legs. Well, everything from chin down would be nonfunctionate. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, but could you explain
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Speaker 1: what's the difference in what you just said and not
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Speaker 1: having use of arms or legs? Oh? Well, not much
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Speaker 1: except for the fact that you know, he wouldn't even
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Speaker 1: have next movement or anything like that. You have no
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Speaker 1: use of his arms or legs, no ability to control
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Speaker 1: his bowel or bladder. Potentially would be on a respirator
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Speaker 1: to breathe, and even eating would be difficult, so he
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Speaker 1: would get a G two or a gastric feeding tube
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Speaker 1: put in. So I always feel like you know when
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Speaker 1: you say no use of arms and legs. That is
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Speaker 1: just a component of the overall picture, because it's a
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Speaker 1: lot more than just you can't move your arms and legs,
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Speaker 1: but all these bodily functions are also damaged as well. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, you called it an internal decapitation, so he
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Speaker 1: would not be able to use his arms or legs,
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Speaker 1: he would not have any control over urinating or defecating,
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Speaker 1: and he would only be able to breathe with a
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Speaker 1: machine or than likely. Correct, Well, then what about the
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Speaker 1: brain damage. The brain damage can be it's probably from
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Speaker 1: being struck by the car. He's either heads no, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, doctor Kendall Crowns. Let me clarify my question.
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Speaker 1: So I'm thinking nothing below the neck works, would the
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Speaker 1: brain work. The brain would still work, but he's probably
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Speaker 1: had head trauma as well that has caused significant brain
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Speaker 1: damage to go on top of the internal decapitation. So
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Speaker 1: he's heably doesn't have much function at all with all
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Speaker 1: those injuries. So they're keeping the little boy alive on machines,
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Speaker 1: and if they take away the machines, he'll die, right, correct,
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Speaker 1: He is being kept artificially alive. And to top off
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Speaker 1: all of this, his sister, who's the closest person in
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Speaker 1: the world to him, is right there and sees this
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Speaker 1: happened to her brother. Now, I don't know what injuries
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Speaker 1: would be visible on the outside, but probably to her
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Speaker 1: thinking he looked okay, maybe bruised, not knowing that he
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Speaker 1: had actually been decapitated, an internal decapitation. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get into how we're going to find this suv that
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Speaker 1: also did not have its lights on, which I think
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Speaker 1: is very telling. But take a listen now to our
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Speaker 1: friend Paisy Chang NBC four. Tyler just celebrated his birthday
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. He attended William Packham Middle School in Mastic Beach,
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Speaker 1: where his mom says he played football. Tonight, they are
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Speaker 1: pleading with the driver to come forward. They try to
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Speaker 1: resuscitate him in ambulancy got he was gone for thirty minutes.
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Speaker 1: They took him to sunning Brook Hospital and then he
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Speaker 1: was His rood of brain and his skolga separated and
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Speaker 1: he has no brain function. He's gone. Time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me. Doctor Angela Arnold renounced psychiatrists out
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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold, MD.
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Speaker 1: Dot com Doctor Angie, I want you to hear what
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Speaker 1: the sister says. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: w ABC seven walking with his sister Crystal, who tells
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Speaker 1: us they never saw it coming, just a quick glimpse
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Speaker 1: of an SUV with no lights on. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: it was a great card. Crystal has a screened arm,
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Speaker 1: but they tell us this could have easily been two
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Speaker 1: kids killed. The car hit her first and then ended
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Speaker 1: up like I guess. He wants to go jump and
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Speaker 1: grab her and it just took him, a tragedy that
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Speaker 1: is sadly no surprise to many who live near this
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Speaker 1: busy stretch of road. He want to stop son, and
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Speaker 1: he's beef no reason and more from w NBC four.
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Speaker 1: This boy just celebrated his thirteenth birthday on Tuesday, and
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Speaker 1: now his family is in morning. The sister telling us
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Speaker 1: tonight that her brother is a hero. They were walking
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Speaker 1: along this street right here when he pushed her out
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Speaker 1: of the way to avoid a hit and run driver
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Speaker 1: that then drove away with an unspeakable grief over the
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Speaker 1: loss of her baby. Thirteen year old Tyler Phillips struck
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Speaker 1: and killed by a hidden run driver truck right, Can
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Speaker 1: I go beg you thigh? Now tell him lookt him
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Speaker 1: make up truck? It was? It was a G. It
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Speaker 1: was a G. We believe gray in color. To Dorian Geiger,
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Speaker 1: joining US National Crime Report and Editor with oxygen, what
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Speaker 1: do we know about the vehicle itself? Well, Nancy, we
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Speaker 1: know what's what appears to be a two thousand and
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Speaker 1: five to two thousand and nine dark colored Chevrolet Equinox.
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Speaker 1: And again it was traveling with its lights off, as
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Speaker 1: you said. But that's really all that we know at
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Speaker 1: this moment. Again, I reached out to Suffolk County Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: office this morning to try and get an update, you know,
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Speaker 1: just to see if there was anything. Was it gray
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Speaker 1: or black? Do we know that, Dorian? I don't think
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Speaker 1: there's a definitive. What I've just seen is that it
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Speaker 1: was a dark colored you know, Doctor Angy aren't all
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Speaker 1: was about to come to you with a I guess
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Speaker 1: the rhetorical question unless you have an answer, which would
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Speaker 1: be a miracle, why does it always seeing that good
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Speaker 1: innocent people are the ones that suffer the most, like
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Speaker 1: this little boy Tyler. Nancy, I don't think we have
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Speaker 1: an answer for that. It's it's a horrendous accident. It
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Speaker 1: was an accident, and the and the perpetrator of the
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Speaker 1: accident was horrible and not stopping. But Nancy, at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, it was it was an accident.
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Speaker 1: And while our hearts go out because as you say,
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Speaker 1: in a minute, what why are you saying it's an accident? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: somebody speeding down the street and he hits a couple
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Speaker 1: of kids while he's speeding down the street. I don't, okay,
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Speaker 1: see under the law, that's not an accident. Doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: that's not an accident at all. Wendy Patrick joining me,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author. I've read flags on Amazon. She's at
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick PhD dot com and the host of Today
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Speaker 1: with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ in San Diego. Wendy, that's
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Speaker 1: total bs. When you are speeding with your lights off
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Speaker 1: at night in the bike lane and you mow somebody down,
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Speaker 1: that's not an accident. That's a vehicular homicide. Yeah. And
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Speaker 1: the difference, Dancy, the vehicular homicide. You're driving in a
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Speaker 1: manner that is completely unsafe for the conditions here. You
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Speaker 1: have a huge vehicle with no lights on, obviously driving
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Speaker 1: at a speed that is far past for the conditions,
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Speaker 1: and Moses and Mos down these two kids and then
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Speaker 1: doesn't stop, so you've also got hit and run. There's
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Speaker 1: multiple vehicle code sections, including, as you say, the most
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Speaker 1: serious when the homicide they come into play, and that's
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Speaker 1: you know, the reason we have these statutes is to
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Speaker 1: distinguish something that was unavoidable from something that could have
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Speaker 1: been avoided if somebody had been driving peply. I'm very
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Speaker 1: curious to you. Robert Farley, former detective Cook County now
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Speaker 1: Farley International Investigations. Robert, I'll find that very curious that
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Speaker 1: this person is speeding without their lights on. You know
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Speaker 1: what makes you you wonder is I'm listening to you
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Speaker 1: talking and the other panel members. Could the person have
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Speaker 1: possibly even been fleeing some sort of crime or read
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Speaker 1: or something like that. It's my experience that that happens frequently,
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Speaker 1: that they'll turn their lights off to void detection. And
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Speaker 1: we're being told that it is a gray SUV at
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five to two thousand and nine Chevy Equinox.
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Speaker 1: How are we going to find this now? I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you will remember all you illegal egals the case of
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Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots. She was the co ed who was house
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Speaker 1: sitting at her boyfriend's home with his dogs while he's
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Speaker 1: out of town. She was doing her homework at the
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Speaker 1: kitchen counter. She goes out for a jog and she's
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Speaker 1: never seen alive again. Massive hunt for Molly. It was
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Speaker 1: only when ring doorbell cams in the area where she
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Speaker 1: typically jogged revealed a vehicle going forward and reverse, forward
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Speaker 1: and reverse that aroused suspicion. But from the ring doorbell
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Speaker 1: vantage point couldn't get a tag number. But what you
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Speaker 1: could see was, let me just say, individual markings, which
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Speaker 1: I believe was due to a crash or a fender
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Speaker 1: bender along the side of the vehicle. That vehicle was
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Speaker 1: traced back to Molly's murderer. There is also the case
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Speaker 1: of a stunning Just Gorge. She looks like snow white
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Speaker 1: to me as I envisioned snow white, not in a
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Speaker 1: cartoon but in real life. Kendra Hatcher. She was a
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Speaker 1: pediatric dentist engaged in love who was shot dead in
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Speaker 1: the parking a lot of her high rise building in Texas.
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Speaker 1: No one could solve it until upon close inspection video
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Speaker 1: surveillance within the parking garage. The perp was viewed getting
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Speaker 1: back into a vehicle with significant markings on it. The
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock news ran that video and a guy goes,
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Speaker 1: that's my car. I recognize the body damage on my car,
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Speaker 1: and he caused police. As it turned out, he had
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Speaker 1: loaned the car to her friend, Brenda Delgado, who had
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Speaker 1: dated Kendra's then Fay, and out of scorn, she had
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Speaker 1: her murder. And it was only through identifying that vehicle
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Speaker 1: due to its unusual markings body damage, that justice was sold.
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Speaker 1: So how Robert Farley, are we going to get this sop? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: I think looking at the area, because I've taught not
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Speaker 1: only I've got put multiple times in Long Island, not
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Speaker 1: only for the Supple County Sheriff's Department, but also Nassau County.
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Speaker 1: You've got an interstate that runs across called four ninety five.
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Speaker 1: To the north of that, You've got another in a
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Speaker 1: state that runs east and west just like four ninety
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Speaker 1: five called Route twenty five. If the accident had happened
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Speaker 1: on one of those roads, it would have been more
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Speaker 1: difficult in my experience, finding the offender. This is more
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Speaker 1: like a smaller road, which would initially make me think
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Speaker 1: it's probably somebody from the area that would have been
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Speaker 1: involved in the accident, and you know, as part of
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Speaker 1: looking at it, then what we would be doing is then,
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Speaker 1: you know, reaching out to body shops, car dealers. The vehicle,
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Speaker 1: from what I read, had sustained damage to an outside mirror,
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Speaker 1: had sustained damage to offender, and I'd be looking at that.
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Speaker 1: And again I'm thinking, in my mind, this wasn't somebody
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Speaker 1: going down the Long Island Freeway, which is ninety five
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Speaker 1: or even Route twenty five. I mean, this was more
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Speaker 1: of a what we would call a side street. But
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of somebody probably local or at least from
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Speaker 1: the area. I agree with you, and I agree with
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Speaker 1: everything you just said, and I rarely get to say
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Speaker 1: that to Dorian Geiger. I only hope the local police
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Speaker 1: are listening to what Rob Farley just said, Dorian. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true? Did the little boy and girl we're headed
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Speaker 1: house a playground apart? That is correct? To the shelter
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Speaker 1: where they were staying, that is correct. Well, it seems
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Speaker 1: to me if you're around a playground or a park,
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be video surveillance cameras, AM I crazy or
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Speaker 1: doesn't that make sense to you? Yes, there were video
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras. I'm sure that's part of the police investigation
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Speaker 1: at the moment. Unfortunately, nothing public has been put out.
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Speaker 1: There has been reference of you know, surveillance cameras being
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Speaker 1: tapped by investigators. Unfortunately, we don't know a lot about
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Speaker 1: what they're going through at the moment. But I just
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Speaker 1: want to reiterate, you know, to anyone listening to the
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Speaker 1: show in Long Island, if anyone does see the Chevrolet
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Speaker 1: Knox there is it's twenty four seven tipline that can
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Speaker 1: be called. It's one eight hundred two two zero tips. Again,
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Speaker 1: it's the two thousand and five, two thousand and nine
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Speaker 1: Chevy Equinox SUV. And like here, last guests just said
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Speaker 1: that I forgot to mention it is suspected that the
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Speaker 1: vehicle had to damage front passenger mirror, inside view passenger
23:57
Speaker 1: mirror that's damaged as well as hill hold on, whoa yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean Jacob from the fire Hijan dorran Geiger damage
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Speaker 1: to the front passenger side mirror. Is that what you
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Speaker 1: just said, the front passenger mirror in a side view
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Speaker 1: front passenger mirror, correct? The front jump in. Okay, Nancy,
24:18
Speaker 1: this is Wendy. That damage may or may not have
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Speaker 1: been fixed. But you know how many of these cases
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Speaker 1: are solved is this driver told somebody about it, and
24:26
Speaker 1: somebody's conscious is weighing on them right now as we
24:29
Speaker 1: cover this, and it's all over the airwaves. So either
24:31
Speaker 1: the driver going through out of remorse, which occasionally we
24:34
Speaker 1: see gives me some hope and humanity, or somebody that
24:38
Speaker 1: the driver spoke to may also be an amazing source
24:41
Speaker 1: of information that will lead us to figure out who
24:43
Speaker 1: did it, even if we never trace it through the car. Guys,
24:46
Speaker 1: we're talking about a thirteen year old little boy, Tyler Phillips,
24:49
Speaker 1: who dives in front of his sister. They're incredibly close.
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Speaker 1: They're living in a shelter with their mom. They've been
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Speaker 1: there for a year. He's playing football at the local
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Speaker 1: middle school and they're walking home from a park and
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Speaker 1: after all they've been through, this gray suv, believed to
25:12
Speaker 1: be a Chevy Equinox, mows him down. He saves his
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Speaker 1: sister's life, and he dies from internal decapitation. Take a
25:25
Speaker 1: listen to this. Adding to the tragedy, Tyler's whole family
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Speaker 1: struggling to get by in a motel that serves as
25:32
Speaker 1: a homeless shelter. The children are often looking for things
25:36
Speaker 1: to do and there's nothing here. It's a commercial area.
25:39
Speaker 1: They took long bus rides to their middle school here
25:41
Speaker 1: in Mastic Beach, a half hour away, and their long
25:45
Speaker 1: walk home last night simply because the nearest playground to
25:49
Speaker 1: the shelter was so far away. Now Tyler's mom grieving
25:54
Speaker 1: and pleading for one thing. Please come forward, guys that
25:59
Speaker 1: you are hearing our friend WABC. The mother now pleading
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Speaker 1: for people to come forward, particulist and now jeffriends. At
26:06
Speaker 1: Picks eleven, Phillips and his sister were walking more than
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Speaker 1: two miles from the Gordon Heights Children's playground back to
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Speaker 1: the shelter where they've been staying with their mother. Phillips
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Speaker 1: and his family attend a Baptist church en route one twelve.
26:20
Speaker 1: We spoke with the pastor of the church. That's the
26:23
Speaker 1: love of a brother for his sister. As they were walking,
26:26
Speaker 1: as they would hear the vehicle's approach, they attempted to
26:29
Speaker 1: move further to the side, but unfortunately with this particular vehicle,
26:32
Speaker 1: they didn't hear it, nor there any lights on the vehicle,
26:35
Speaker 1: so it made it difficult for both of them to
26:37
Speaker 1: move out of the area of danger, and so lovingly
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Speaker 1: enough he pushed his sists out of the way and
26:43
Speaker 1: suffered the brunt of the injuries. Another thing we know
26:46
Speaker 1: is that in that area in Quorum there are no sidewalks,
26:51
Speaker 1: and that is why the children were walking in the
26:56
Speaker 1: bike lane. To doctor Angela, Arnold renounced, like time, she's
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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. What must this
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Speaker 1: little girl be going through? Her life was spared by
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Speaker 1: her brother who gave his own nancy. She has been
27:13
Speaker 1: traumatized beyond belief. She is never going to forget this.
27:20
Speaker 1: She's going to have times in her life when she's
27:23
Speaker 1: better and when she's not better. Certainly I believe that
27:27
Speaker 1: she could use some therapy immediately. She has to. First,
27:31
Speaker 1: she's going to grieve, She's going to go through all
27:33
Speaker 1: the steps of death and dying for her brother who
27:37
Speaker 1: saved her life. But this is always going to affect
27:41
Speaker 1: her nancy. She's going to have she's going to have
27:43
Speaker 1: what we call survivor guilt. Why did I why didn't
27:47
Speaker 1: I die? Why did he die? And another thing that
27:50
Speaker 1: I want that I want everyone to realize is too
27:52
Speaker 1: he is always going to be her fourteen year old
27:55
Speaker 1: brother and her mind as she grows up, He's going
27:59
Speaker 1: to be her fourteen year old little brother that died
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Speaker 1: that day saving her life. It's it's a trauma saving
28:07
Speaker 1: her life. It's a horrific trauma. You know that trauma
28:11
Speaker 1: is going to be with her the rest of her life.
28:14
Speaker 1: There's really no question is And it affects not only
28:18
Speaker 1: your memories, but it affects how you go through life.
28:22
Speaker 1: I mean, losing my fiance to a murder has changed everything.
28:26
Speaker 1: I mean, it took me so long to be able
28:31
Speaker 1: to move forward with starting a family. I was waiting
28:35
Speaker 1: to long to the point I couldn't have children anymore.
28:39
Speaker 1: It has affected the way I bring them up. Just
28:42
Speaker 1: every facet of your life changes because the violence much
28:47
Speaker 1: less violence like this that she witnessed and and she
28:52
Speaker 1: has no justice. And you know, Nancy, it never gets
28:55
Speaker 1: easier for anybody, just like it really never gets easier
28:59
Speaker 1: for you. Never. This was a what you suffered was
29:03
Speaker 1: a horrific trauma. And people think that you know by
29:06
Speaker 1: doing these shows, and you do them, and I know
29:09
Speaker 1: there may be people out there that think, do you
29:11
Speaker 1: become hardened to any of this? And I just want
29:14
Speaker 1: everyone to know that we don't become hardened to this.
29:18
Speaker 1: Every one of these stories affects us because we also
29:22
Speaker 1: know how much it's going to affect the people that
29:24
Speaker 1: it actually happened to. You never become hardened to this.
29:27
Speaker 1: I feel so bad for this little girl fourteen losing
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Speaker 1: her thirteen year older brother as he saves her a life.
29:35
Speaker 1: Will she go the rest of her life with no justice?
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Speaker 1: This hit and runs driver, like the coward he is,
29:43
Speaker 1: takes off in the night, leaving the boy internally decapitated
29:48
Speaker 1: on the side of the road for dead and for
29:51
Speaker 1: all purposes, he was dead and another issue to think about.
29:57
Speaker 1: Robert Farley joining US a former detective of former US
30:01
Speaker 1: US Marshall, also private investigator Farley International at Farley i
30:08
Speaker 1: NTL dot com. Robert, I'm thinking back to the case
30:12
Speaker 1: of a gorgeous young girl, Sydney Sutherland. She went out
30:17
Speaker 1: jogging and she was hit by a truck turned out
30:25
Speaker 1: to be a farmer not far from her. He then
30:29
Speaker 1: put her her body, her bleeding, into the bed of
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Speaker 1: the truck, took her off, raped her, made sure she
30:37
Speaker 1: was dead. And do you know Robert Farley that when
30:41
Speaker 1: his truck was finally found, there was damage on the
30:45
Speaker 1: truck and her DNA was still in the truck bed.
30:49
Speaker 1: His name Quake Llewellen. You know that that's something that
30:54
Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about. I mean, I've seen accidence
30:58
Speaker 1: like that where there will be um and again, I mean,
31:02
Speaker 1: it sounds terrible. Your listeners might be cringing. I mean,
31:06
Speaker 1: just like with the artificial decapitation. But you've got hair
31:11
Speaker 1: that in some cases is embedded around the lights, around
31:17
Speaker 1: the grille. You've got DNA, You've got blood that would
31:24
Speaker 1: be conceivably on there. You would have in some cases
31:29
Speaker 1: materials that would be hanging on the underside of the car.
31:34
Speaker 1: If if they can locate this car or this this FUV,
31:40
Speaker 1: if they can locate this car, I mean you're going
31:42
Speaker 1: to find evidence. And you know, doctor Kennel Crowns is
31:45
Speaker 1: joining me, chief medical Examiner Tarrant County in Fort Worth
31:48
Speaker 1: and well known lecturer and teacher, Professor doctor Kennel Crowns.
31:55
Speaker 1: Did you hear what Robert Farling just said. I'm certainly
31:58
Speaker 1: not picking a fight with the deputy US us Marshall.
32:02
Speaker 1: But let me clarify what he just said. And I
32:09
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Doctor Kendall Crowns rosy times I get
32:13
Speaker 1: in front of the jury at the beginning anyway, but
32:15
Speaker 1: I could barely say the words because they would be
32:18
Speaker 1: so upsetting. I'm not talking about work, curse words, the
32:24
Speaker 1: P word, the C word, that every word you know,
32:27
Speaker 1: quoting a defendant. But I'm thinking about this thirteen year
32:31
Speaker 1: old boy. And Farley just said, look under the suv
32:36
Speaker 1: and on the side for quote materials. Now, I know
32:39
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's airbrushing it because he doesn't want
32:43
Speaker 1: to cause any more pain to the family. But doctor
32:47
Speaker 1: Kendel Crown's, what is Farley talking about when he says
32:52
Speaker 1: material Well, I mean he's basically talking about tissue from
32:56
Speaker 1: the body's usually skin, muscle, blood, blood, if he can
33:05
Speaker 1: even get eyes think like that can be all ground
33:07
Speaker 1: up into the car, especially when they get clipped and
33:10
Speaker 1: then pulled into the wheel well, it'll usually separate the
33:13
Speaker 1: body quite a bit. You can usually almost tear him
33:16
Speaker 1: in half. And you can even get parts of organs
33:19
Speaker 1: and intestines mixed into the car as well. And you
33:22
Speaker 1: have to think about the axle going over the body too,
33:25
Speaker 1: is spinning in a circle, and it can just grind
33:27
Speaker 1: you up like a like a garbage disposal. Time Stories
33:46
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Dodger Kennel Crowns. Does it ever dawn
33:55
Speaker 1: on you? Because it does occasionally dawn on me. Now
33:59
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it's not very socially appropriate, it's not
34:08
Speaker 1: exactly it's nothing anybody really wants to hear about. Let
34:14
Speaker 1: me just put it like that. But it's our line
34:17
Speaker 1: of work, and what you just said, it's exactly the truth.
34:21
Speaker 1: You take a look at this thirteen year old boy, Tyler,
34:24
Speaker 1: and then you hear what doctor Kennel Crowns just said.
34:27
Speaker 1: That's what's on this suv. Right now, We're used to
34:32
Speaker 1: talking about it, so it just rolls off our tongues.
34:36
Speaker 1: But what about this little boy's sister and mother? How
34:40
Speaker 1: do you think all this is setting with them? And
34:44
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. There is a socialite out
34:49
Speaker 1: of la I swear I think this woman is going
34:52
Speaker 1: to estate justice. I want you to hear about Rebecca
34:55
Speaker 1: A Grossman from our friends at KCl nine. One of
35:01
Speaker 1: the boys was pronounced dead on the scene. The other
35:03
Speaker 1: died at the hospital. Police arrested fifty seven year old
35:06
Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman. We've learned she's a well known figure in
35:09
Speaker 1: the community. She even appeared on KCAL nine News at
35:12
Speaker 1: noon last year to help raise funds for charity. It
35:14
Speaker 1: really is, you know about collaborating. She's the founder and
35:18
Speaker 1: chair of the Grossman Burn Foundation. She's also been recognized
35:22
Speaker 1: for her humanitarian work across the world. Now she's faced
35:25
Speaker 1: with two counts of vehicular manslaughter. Authorities say she was
35:29
Speaker 1: driving in her the influence. It's senseless because it could
35:31
Speaker 1: have been avoided simply by using uber lyft, even calling
35:34
Speaker 1: a friend, and now two mustlike families are going to
35:39
Speaker 1: be affected by this for generations. Captain Vassah also told
35:43
Speaker 1: me Grossman did not stay on the scene and was
35:45
Speaker 1: arrested a quarter mile up the road. She was booked
35:48
Speaker 1: on a two million dollar bail, and authorities believe there's
35:51
Speaker 1: also a second vehicle involved. That's all part of this investigation.
35:56
Speaker 1: I also want you to hear our cut fourteen Chris
36:00
Speaker 1: Holstrom from Kaal. It was just before dark. A family
36:06
Speaker 1: of six was walking across this crosswalk when tragedy struck.
36:10
Speaker 1: Captain Salvador Bassarah with the Elle County Sheriff's Department describes
36:13
Speaker 1: what happened next. The family were in a Mars crosswalk,
36:18
Speaker 1: clearly marked. As she realized there were two cars speeding
36:23
Speaker 1: her way. She was able to reach out and grab
36:25
Speaker 1: one of her children off of a Razor scooter. He
36:28
Speaker 1: pulled the child back with the stroller, but another child
36:31
Speaker 1: of a stroller as the car entered the intersection and
36:35
Speaker 1: hit the other two boys. What exactly happened when the
36:39
Speaker 1: socialite plowed into a family, Well, from what we've learned,
36:45
Speaker 1: a family of six was walking through a crosswalk just
36:48
Speaker 1: before dark when tragedy struck. We learned the family was
36:52
Speaker 1: in a clearly marked crosswalk. When the mother realized two
36:56
Speaker 1: cars were speeding her way. She was able to grab
36:59
Speaker 1: one child from a scooter another child in a stroller.
37:03
Speaker 1: The car plowed through the intersection and hit her other
37:06
Speaker 1: two children. What we know about Rebecca Grossman's case is
37:09
Speaker 1: that she's going to face trial. The defense is begging
37:13
Speaker 1: and demanding that her case be dismissed. But that's not all.
37:18
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. According to Sacramento Police, the
37:22
Speaker 1: hit and run happened at a round two am Sunday
37:24
Speaker 1: near the intersection of T and Alhambra. Francisco Rodriguez, who
37:29
Speaker 1: friends and family called Poco, had just installed led lights
37:32
Speaker 1: on his bike the night of the crash let up.
37:35
Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody could have not seen him
37:38
Speaker 1: on that bike. It was all red lit up. Faco's
37:41
Speaker 1: friends and family are posting flyers around Sacramento tonight hoping
37:44
Speaker 1: anyone with information will call the police. I want them
37:48
Speaker 1: to turn themselves in. How dare you take my son
37:51
Speaker 1: like that and hurt him and leave him there? Didn't
37:53
Speaker 1: stop to help him. How can anybody have a heart
37:57
Speaker 1: and how can they do that? Leave for me there
37:59
Speaker 1: to die? This little boy, Poco had just put in
38:03
Speaker 1: led lights on his bike. How could you miss that?
38:07
Speaker 1: How does that happen? You are hearing our friends at
38:09
Speaker 1: k XTV ABC ten. Take listen now to Matt Gutman,
38:17
Speaker 1: ABC twenty. As Ethan awakes in a hospital bed, the
38:21
Speaker 1: sun also rises over Burlison Redder Road. It is Father's
38:26
Speaker 1: Day and the next day, yeah, I find these packages
38:31
Speaker 1: where my Father's Day cards have been filled out and
38:37
Speaker 1: my Father's Day gifts, but they were gone. There was
38:43
Speaker 1: no preparation no time to say Goodbysory. You are hearing
38:51
Speaker 1: the dad of Eric Boyle's talking about Father's Day cards
38:58
Speaker 1: that were meant for him, but his son was dead.
39:03
Speaker 1: After Ethan Couch, the Affluens attain ran down an charge
39:09
Speaker 1: group of people, just plowing through them with no fault
39:13
Speaker 1: whatsoever to whether they were dead or alive, and then
39:17
Speaker 1: gets an incredibly lenient sentence yet another hit and run.
39:22
Speaker 1: On the morning of April twenty first, twenty twenty, Katie
39:25
Speaker 1: and John Palmer went for a walk in their neighborhood.
39:28
Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes later, their neighbor Corey Foster hit them from
39:32
Speaker 1: behind with his f two fifty, knocking them out of
39:35
Speaker 1: their shoes and throwing them yards away. What's your name?
39:40
Speaker 1: John broke his back and somehow still managed to crawl
39:44
Speaker 1: over to Katie, who was unresponsive after a blunt force
39:47
Speaker 1: trauma to her head dure what earning. Katie was flown
39:55
Speaker 1: by helicopter to a hospital and it was there that
39:58
Speaker 1: she died. You're hearing our fans at k XII. Here's more.
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Speaker 1: Troopers began to ask Foster what happened? I just couldn't
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Speaker 1: free because the lawyer was yeah, which I shouldn't have driven.
40:10
Speaker 1: Foster sided a foggy windshield, but a trooper on the
40:14
Speaker 1: scene mentioned another factor. I'm smelling its pretty strong from
40:18
Speaker 1: the from the river today. Is why I'm asking now,
40:20
Speaker 1: Like God, I like rather left. I just said to
40:25
Speaker 1: prober seven, the information Foster gave the trooper was enough
40:30
Speaker 1: to perform a field sobriety test straight out to Robert Farley,
40:34
Speaker 1: joining US former Cook County Sheriff's deputy and former Deputy
40:38
Speaker 1: US Marshal, why do you believe that hit and run
40:43
Speaker 1: homicides are treated more leniently than others people my experiences,
40:51
Speaker 1: people want to give people a chance, and they don't
40:55
Speaker 1: think accidents arise to a criminal act. I mean, I
41:01
Speaker 1: don't need that at all, believe me. Why are you
41:04
Speaker 1: calling it an accident? I just went through this with
41:07
Speaker 1: doctor Angie. When you're driving at night without your lights
41:10
Speaker 1: on in the bike lane and you mow down two
41:14
Speaker 1: children and one dies, that's not an accident. And that
41:17
Speaker 1: was a decision to drive without your lights on in
41:19
Speaker 1: the bike lane, and you know, and that's what I
41:22
Speaker 1: was saying. People think that, but I mean it's it's
41:27
Speaker 1: a homicide. And again, why was the person driving with
41:30
Speaker 1: the lights off. I mean, as I said that, they
41:34
Speaker 1: could have been playing from committing another crime and that
41:38
Speaker 1: and well, there's another aspect to it, Robert Farley, and
41:41
Speaker 1: that's the fact that they kept going knowing they hit someone,
41:45
Speaker 1: knowing darnwell they hit someone. That's no accident. That's a
41:50
Speaker 1: decision to keep going. You know, a mighty cold person,
41:53
Speaker 1: a mighty mighty cold person to do something horrible like that,
41:57
Speaker 1: especially involving child. Go ahead, Wendy, it's especial, actually agreed,
42:01
Speaker 1: just because it's also circumstantial evidence of fault of intent,
42:05
Speaker 1: of recklessness to not stop. I mean, it's one thing
42:08
Speaker 1: to have created the situation to begin with by driving
42:10
Speaker 1: at an unsafe speed with unsafe conditions. It's quite another
42:14
Speaker 1: not to stop. So all of this goes back to
42:17
Speaker 1: the intent of the driver. And you know, I like
42:20
Speaker 1: the point that which is brought up about you know,
42:22
Speaker 1: are they fleeing another crime? Why would anybody be driving
42:25
Speaker 1: through in an area with the lights out? But I
42:27
Speaker 1: also want to bring up the speed. The speed with
42:30
Speaker 1: which those children were struck severed the spinal cord from
42:34
Speaker 1: the brain, So we put that into the mix as well.
42:36
Speaker 1: In terms of recklessness rising to the level of criminal
42:39
Speaker 1: intent the tipline. This occurred in kron, New York, Long
42:42
Speaker 1: Island eight hundred two two two Tips eight hundred two
42:46
Speaker 1: two eight four seven seven Dorrian Geiger. Where does Ky
42:50
Speaker 1: stand right now? Tyler's mother dozero Mac and she is,
42:53
Speaker 1: you know, still reeling from this and she wants answers. Nancy.
42:57
Speaker 1: She just told me quote the man that hit my
43:00
Speaker 1: kids needs to please come forward. We wait as just
43:04
Speaker 1: as un falls in a very squad store signing off
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Speaker 1: goodness