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#HURDLEMOMENT: Robin Arzon On How to Navigate Race Day · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself, Am I willing to speak to myself like
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Speaker 1: I would have loved one in the worst moments of
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Speaker 1: this race?
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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, Emily Abadi, here, you are listening to another
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Speaker 2: installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle.
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Speaker 3: A wellness focused podcast.
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Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts
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Speaker 2: and industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and
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Speaker 2: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,
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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you
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Speaker 2: to better navigate yours and move with intention so that
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Speaker 2: you can stride toward your own big potential and of
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Speaker 2: course have some fun along the way. Now, I've been
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Speaker 2: getting a lot of messages lately with questions surrounding big
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Speaker 2: surprise here running the marathon, and so I felt like
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Speaker 2: what more appropriate time to bring this conversation back into
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Speaker 2: the feed from early twenty nineteen than right now. And
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Speaker 2: that conversation is with the one and only Robin our Son.
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Speaker 2: She is the vice president of fitness Programming at Peloton.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a.
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Speaker 2: Peloton Week on the show, with Rad's episode going live
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Speaker 2: on Monday, and Robin is giving us her best race
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Speaker 2: day tips for the marathon. Now, a lot of these
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Speaker 2: are super helpful, regardless of how far of a distance
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Speaker 2: the race you are running may be. But I really
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Speaker 2: love how she talks us through the race a little
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Speaker 2: bit at a time. Right, We in our discussion cover
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Speaker 2: what you need to keep in mind before you even begin,
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Speaker 2: what you need to think about the morning of, where
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Speaker 2: your head should be at during the miles, the effort,
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Speaker 2: the aftermath, and beyond. So this conversation, listening back to it,
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Speaker 2: so many great actionable tips and suggest here from Robin.
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Speaker 2: When we sat down to record this, Robin was a
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Speaker 2: twenty six time marathoner, so it's safe to say that
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Speaker 2: this strong mama knows a thing or two about showing
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Speaker 2: up and getting it done. Of course, if you have
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Speaker 2: any questions, comments, thoughts, et cetera, we are all ears.
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Speaker 3: You there and me Irl. I think that's it for now.
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to get right to it this week
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Speaker 2: with that, let's bring it back, let's get to hurdling.
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Speaker 2: So today I'm going to be talking about how to
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Speaker 2: gear up for a marathon, talking about marathon race day
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Speaker 2: with the one the only vice president of fitness Programming
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Speaker 2: at Peloton, twenty six time marathon or author of Shut
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Speaker 2: Up and Run, Miss Robin Arzon.
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Speaker 1: Dang, thanks, what an intro.
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Speaker 3: I'm a hype van.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're pretty You're getting pretty good at those intros.
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Speaker 2: Queen, Well, it's been a long time since you sat
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Speaker 2: down with me for episode twenty eight of the podcast
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Speaker 2: November nineteenth, twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: That was right after Was that right after that was
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Speaker 1: right after New York?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's been it's been a minute. Yes, happy
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Speaker 3: to have you back in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Likewise, I'm happy to be here.
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Speaker 2: So today we're talking about race day for marathon ors. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: some of the things that we chat about they'll be
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Speaker 2: applicable to racers of all types. But we're chatting marathons
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Speaker 2: because it's fall marathon season. It's an exciting time, it
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Speaker 2: really is.
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Speaker 1: And it's the culmination of months of just slogging it out.
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Speaker 2: Like there's so many footsteps, I know, and I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure as a twenty six time marathon or I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is a conversation like what do I need to
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Speaker 2: do for this one day that you have had so
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Speaker 2: many times with yourself and then of course with your
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Speaker 2: audience at peloton and beyond.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I would think the first thing
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Speaker 1: I like to remind myself is trust the training. It's
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Speaker 1: really natural during the taper to start to try to
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Speaker 1: like fill in gaps and holes and do more when
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Speaker 1: it's like you just have to focus on what you
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Speaker 1: can control at that point and you can't rewind the tape.
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Speaker 1: You can't rewind the time. So you know, definitely like
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Speaker 1: attend to injuries, go to pt like do the things
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Speaker 1: that you have been doing, but also be a little
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Speaker 1: bit less harsh, like we really get in our own
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Speaker 1: heads a few weeks before race day, especially because it
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Speaker 1: becomes palpably. So I always tell folks, trust the training, focus
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Speaker 1: on what you can control, and then start to figure
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Speaker 1: out like if your mind is running. No one intend
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Speaker 1: if your mind is kind of going, you know, at
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Speaker 1: all cylinders. Start to unpack things like race day logistics,
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Speaker 1: like your gear, where's your cheer squad gonna be like
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Speaker 1: specific corner of X. Root starts to look at the
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Speaker 1: root and if that provide If that doesn't provide relief
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Speaker 1: and it makes you more anxious, do the stuff that
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Speaker 1: you've been postponing, like go to coffee with the friends,
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Speaker 1: go to the movies, read the book Binge, something on
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Speaker 1: Netflix like it's okay to do that.
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Speaker 2: I love it And that's a great piece of advice
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Speaker 2: to kick us off. Okay, so it's race day. It
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Speaker 2: has arrived. Okay, so the first thing, the golden rule.
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Speaker 2: I know you're gonna I know you're gonna answer this
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Speaker 2: question right, The golden rule of race day, Robin, what
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Speaker 2: is it?
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Speaker 1: Nothing new on race day.
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Speaker 2: Not even rehearse just so on points. I would say
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Speaker 2: that's that's number one most important. Talk to me about
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Speaker 2: why that's so important.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to be putting anything on your body
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Speaker 1: or ingesting anything that you haven't rehearsed. You want to
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Speaker 1: think of all the training as multiple dress rehearsals for
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Speaker 1: the big show, and something as small as a seam
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Speaker 1: that you may not have ever considered would annoy You
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Speaker 1: could literally dismantle a race. And I don't mean to
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Speaker 1: be overly dramatic, but twenty six point two is a
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Speaker 1: long time to be out there, even for the fastest
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Speaker 1: runners in the world, So why would you insert a
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Speaker 1: variable that is kind of that you're unsure about that?
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Speaker 1: Even the race shirt, even the cute stuff that the
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Speaker 1: charity is giving you, like if you haven't done a
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Speaker 1: run in it or multiple runs, it's off the table.
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Speaker 1: Put the cool stuff of the expo, Like stop buying
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Speaker 1: crap you don't need, like seriously, like just truy, Like
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Speaker 1: know what you've done in those twenty milers eighteen milers
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Speaker 1: and stick with that.
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Speaker 2: It's totally true, especially like the misplace. I have a
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Speaker 2: pair of luggings that I've worn so many times.
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Speaker 3: I love them. I got a new one I didn't.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people have varying feelings on this, but
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Speaker 2: washing before you wear I'm like, eh, I can wear it,
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Speaker 2: then I.
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Speaker 3: Can watch it. Whatever. Everyone's different. I wore the brand new.
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Speaker 2: Ones last week and I was like it didn't go well,
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Speaker 2: So in my head I'm like, wow, Okay, I'm glad
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Speaker 2: I wore them. Now I'm glad we got over this
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Speaker 2: hurdle and now I can put them back on and
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Speaker 2: get Rice ready.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so we've established the nothing new on race day.
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Speaker 2: We talked about it in relevance to gear, but that
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Speaker 2: obviously also applies to what you're taking in for sure.
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Speaker 1: I mean nutrition is nutrition makes or breaks a race,
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Speaker 1: and literally even I mean I personally don't have a
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Speaker 1: sensitive stomach, so I can take things on the course
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Speaker 1: and no, I'm ninety nine point nine percent gonna be okay.
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Speaker 1: But if you're unfamiliar with the gel or the goo
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Speaker 1: or the bagel or whatever it is they're serving, especially
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Speaker 1: for international races, they like I'm US based, they serve
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Speaker 1: different things in Berlin and in Paris and you know,
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Speaker 1: and even in London. So make sure that you're checking
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Speaker 1: out what they're going to serve on the course, and
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Speaker 1: always be your own plan B like bring extra gels.
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Speaker 1: I had one race where for some like, I just
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Speaker 1: shedded all my gels I got and I planned on
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Speaker 1: seeing my mom at miles sixteen. Didn't see her, so
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Speaker 1: I was really and thankfully I saw some other runners
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Speaker 1: on the course and they were like, here, they just
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Speaker 1: gave me some stuff, but I was really left with
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Speaker 1: like one gel for the remain of the race. And
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Speaker 1: we all know that's a recipe for disaster at mile
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Speaker 1: twenty two. So just be your own plan B and
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Speaker 1: definitely do your research on what's going to be provided
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Speaker 1: for you. And I would even not count on that,
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Speaker 1: Like just have everything on your person that you think
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Speaker 1: you're gonna need.
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Speaker 3: It's smart.
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Speaker 2: And I know, obviously we're already talking about race day itself,
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Speaker 2: but in terms of like the day before race day,
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Speaker 2: what would you say is your biggest tip to people
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Speaker 2: who are gearing up, they feel nervous, they're kind of
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Speaker 2: a little all over the place.
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Speaker 3: What would you tell them?
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Speaker 1: Hmm, I would say even earlier in the process, if
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Speaker 1: you can start to establish like a ritual around nerves.
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Speaker 1: For me, it's laying out my clothing before the the
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Speaker 1: morning of a long run or race day, as the
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Speaker 1: case may be, Like putting out my you know, almond
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Speaker 1: butter and Ezekiel bread, which is my go to like
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Speaker 1: race morning food. Like I actually set an alarm to
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Speaker 1: remind myself one to get off my phone the day
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Speaker 1: before a race because it's so easy to go down
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Speaker 1: that rabbit hole. And then it's eleven pm midnight, and
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Speaker 1: then you start counting the hours that you're not going
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Speaker 1: to sleep and just start to create a ritual around
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Speaker 1: how you're gonna fuel, what you're gonna wear, when you're
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Speaker 1: gonna cut off communication Even with the most well meeting folks.
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Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to be, you know, sip
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Speaker 1: and tea and kiking with your best friend till one
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Speaker 1: in the morning the night before a race, even though
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Speaker 1: it might feel good in the moment, you really need
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Speaker 1: to kind of go internal and figure out ways that
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Speaker 1: that actually feels powerful.
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Speaker 2: Right, And also along the lines of what you're getting
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Speaker 2: at is just like visualization, like giving yourself the essential
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Speaker 2: time that you need to visualize. Okay, what is not
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Speaker 2: only the race is gonna look like, but what's the
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Speaker 2: morning look like? Like? How can I set myself up
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Speaker 2: for success from the moment I open my eyes and
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Speaker 2: like slip into that spandex and prepare yourself to boss
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Speaker 2: up and get out there.
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Speaker 1: Well, I tell everyone to create a mental movie reel
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Speaker 1: of their strongest training moments, and it might not even
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Speaker 1: be in that training cycle right, you might be like
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Speaker 1: holding on to a beautiful memory from when you were
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Speaker 1: in high school, Like it doesn't matter as long as
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Speaker 1: it's meaningful to you. And it's I joke kind of
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Speaker 1: not really that I live my life like I mean
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Speaker 1: a rocky movie montage, Like you should be that powerful
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Speaker 1: or at least be aspiring to get a glimmer of
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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're trying to achieve at that
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Speaker 1: finish line, Like maybe it's joy. Maybe you're just running
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Speaker 1: to like lace up and live great. So then how
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Speaker 1: would that be most optimal for you? Right? Start to
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Speaker 1: create that mental movie reel, and it's it works if
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Speaker 1: you do it the day before the race, it really works.
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Speaker 1: Ritualize it. I mean the best athletes in the world
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Speaker 1: have mantras I and I almost the mantra for me
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Speaker 1: is not just a way to kind of center myself
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Speaker 1: in the run. It's almost an invocation like I am
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Speaker 1: calling on the power of like literally like the people
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Speaker 1: who have come before me, like the people I want
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Speaker 1: to make proud, like what I define as legacy. That
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Speaker 1: is what I bring with me on race day. And
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Speaker 1: it might sound pretty dramatic, but like why shouldn't you
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Speaker 1: star in your own story.
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Speaker 2: It's totally okay. So you're the star of your story.
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Speaker 2: It's race day. You wake up, you get your stuff on,
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Speaker 2: you're moving. The one of the most frequent questions I get,
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure you get this as well, is talking
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Speaker 2: about what and when to eat in the morning before
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Speaker 2: a race. So let's talk a little bit about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about it. So for a race like
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Speaker 1: New York City, you are going to be at the
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Speaker 1: race corral hours before you're even going to get moving.
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Speaker 1: So I kind of plan my breast fist in two parts,
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Speaker 1: Like I'll eat like almond butter and toast and banana
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Speaker 1: is kind of my go to. And I'll have like
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Speaker 1: one piece of toast and almond butter in the morning
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Speaker 1: before I leave, and a banana, and then I'll probably
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Speaker 1: eat like half a banana and the other piece of
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Speaker 1: toast maybe like sixty minutes before the race. And I
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Speaker 1: stop drinking fluids sixty minutes before the race.
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Speaker 2: Right, And that obviously gives you time to like process
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Speaker 2: what's going on. So if you do have to go
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Speaker 2: to like a port a botty or whatever you're gonna do,
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Speaker 2: if you're getting it all done, an hour before then.
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Speaker 2: That gives you like time for the emergency pit stop.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you definitely want to plan your fuel. It's
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Speaker 1: almost like you're planning for three, maybe even four hours
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Speaker 1: of fueling before you're even gonna run. Most folks are
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Speaker 1: not fueling for their twenty mile or four hours in advance.
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Speaker 1: So think about that, like, if you're if you normally
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Speaker 1: have your whatever it is, you're half a bagel ninety
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Speaker 1: minutes before then, plan for that. But also, no, you're
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Speaker 1: gonna eat a little bit of extra juice because you're
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Speaker 1: waking up very likely earlier than you normally would on
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Speaker 1: your long.
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Speaker 2: Right, And if you seem to be a person that
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Speaker 2: gets some sort of a nervous stomach or something like that,
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Speaker 2: that's also to take into account because yeah, those long
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Speaker 2: runs and training they can be a little nerve inducing.
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Speaker 2: You could feel a little anxious, but it's a completely
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Speaker 2: different game plan on race day. So you want to
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Speaker 2: make sure that if you know that's who you are
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Speaker 2: and that's something that happens to you, plan it out.
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Speaker 2: Be easy with yourself, be gentle, know that like it's
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Speaker 2: fuel and it's there to help you, not hurt you. Right, Okay,
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Speaker 2: so we talked about fueling. Now we're on the course. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so calm on, of course, you're out there.
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Speaker 3: All the hard work is starting to pay off. You're
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Speaker 3: at the beginning.
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Speaker 2: What are some tips that you would offer to someone
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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the race, because I think one
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Speaker 2: of the biggest things that you hear time and time
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Speaker 2: again is don't go out too hard. Right you've got
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Speaker 2: twenty six point two miles ahead of you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the classic advice. I would say, what
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Speaker 1: kind of run are you a pro? Is it a
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Speaker 1: race or is it a marathon? Because racing marathon is
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Speaker 1: actually very different than running a marathon. Look at the course.
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Speaker 1: There are courses that lend themselves to negative splits. You
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Speaker 1: definitely want to be informed if that's something that you're
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Speaker 1: kind of banking on, because there are a lot of
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Speaker 1: things that can go wrong. But you know, for a
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Speaker 1: course like New York, for example, is really hilly, Chicago
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Speaker 1: a little flatter, you can probably have much more. You
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Speaker 1: will have much more even splits on a flat course.
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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say everyone needs to be conservative patting
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Speaker 1: their mileage two minutes a mile like, it's not a
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Speaker 1: bright line rule. Just to know that you are conserving energy.
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Speaker 1: The race starts at mile sixteen, so plan based on
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Speaker 1: the course and how you're approaching that finish line.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know I mean me personally, time and
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Speaker 2: So many people say you should aim for negative splits,
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Speaker 2: and this sounds like this idealic situation in my perfect.
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Speaker 3: World, I'd love them.
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Speaker 2: But I know that I am a person that with
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Speaker 2: the right fuel, no matter what, I get to that
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Speaker 2: mile twenty two and I'm definitely gonna be slower than
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Speaker 2: I was at mile twelve. It's just how I run,
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Speaker 2: and I still have energy in the tank, but it's
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Speaker 2: just not the same. And so if I was to
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Speaker 2: take that advice like, oh, go out really slow, and
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Speaker 2: then just speed up gradually and gradually like I'm not
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Speaker 2: that kind of runner. And so it's important going into
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Speaker 2: race day, especially with those longer training runs, feel it out,
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Speaker 2: feel what kind of runner you are, and like really
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Speaker 2: pay attention to what's happening in your body and listen.
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Speaker 2: Listening is so important. Okay, so we're at the beginning
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Speaker 2: of the marathon. The classic advice don't go to all
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Speaker 2: out right off the bat. What's the next piece of
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Speaker 2: advice you got for me on race day?
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Speaker 1: I think that you need to plan for the discomfort
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Speaker 1: and how you're going to speak to yourself in that moment.
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Speaker 1: Because even the best marathons that I've had, there were
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Speaker 1: moments where I was like what am I doing? Like
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Speaker 1: this is actually insane that I'm on this course. So
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Speaker 1: how are you going to speak to yourself in the
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Speaker 1: moments of discomfort and plan for the discomfort. Don't go
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Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole of thinking of every bad thing
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Speaker 1: that could possibly happen in the race, But ask yourself,
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Speaker 1: am I willing to speak to myself like I would
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Speaker 1: have loved one in the worst moments.
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Speaker 3: Of this race?
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Speaker 1: And that has that preparedness for the discomfort I think
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Speaker 1: goes a really long way.
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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: And I think there's also so much research about how
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Speaker 2: different people respond to different types of self talk. So
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Speaker 2: you might be a person that responds really positively to
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Speaker 2: self talk, for example, with explatives. You might not be
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Speaker 2: a kind of person that handles explatives well, you might
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Speaker 2: feel like you're degrading yourself and that's not a good
18:26
Speaker 2: thing to get into. So again with the practice, that's
18:30
Speaker 2: like a common theme here. It's like talk to yourself,
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Speaker 2: see how it feels, and rehearse, which.
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Speaker 3: Is such a good point to bring up for sure.
18:37
Speaker 1: So there's a self talk piece, and then there's the
18:39
Speaker 1: associative versus disassociative ways of approaching just the mental mind
18:45
Speaker 1: games of an athlete. I say, mind over miles. I
18:48
Speaker 1: do think after a certain basic level of training, everyone
18:53
Speaker 1: can reach that finish line, but you have to want
18:55
Speaker 1: it badly enough and then proceed accordingly. Associative would be
19:01
Speaker 1: think of other things, listen to music, focus on the crowds,
19:04
Speaker 1: thanks the volunteers, get yourself out of your body. Associative
19:08
Speaker 1: is saying I have one more step, even counting steps,
19:11
Speaker 1: I think, gosh, I'm forgetting one of the most famous
19:13
Speaker 1: female runners famous. I think it was Paula Radcliffe famously
19:17
Speaker 1: counted steps, or maybe it was Jonie anyway, regardless, that's
19:21
Speaker 1: insane counting every ten steps, you know, and but like
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Speaker 1: that worked for her. So figure out, like, is this
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Speaker 1: a moment where I have to go inward or is
19:29
Speaker 1: this a moment where I have to just like look
19:31
Speaker 1: up at the sky and be like, put on some
19:33
Speaker 1: Beyonce and go and go.
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Speaker 2: I think something great that you offered up before was
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Speaker 2: knowing exactly where your friends and family are going to
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Speaker 2: be on the course. I think it's one thing to say, Okay,
19:44
Speaker 2: I'll see you at mile sixteen. It's another thing to
19:46
Speaker 2: say I'll see you at the northwest corner in front
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Speaker 2: of the Borough College campus at mile sixteen, because that
19:55
Speaker 2: is so critical. So because for some people you look
19:58
Speaker 2: forward to that moment for so along and if you
20:01
Speaker 2: miss it.
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Speaker 1: Or waste energy looking I've had experiences where I'm like,
20:06
Speaker 1: you want to establish runners right or runners left, meaning
20:10
Speaker 1: you know where they're going to be from your perspective,
20:13
Speaker 1: because trust at mile five you might think, oh, let
20:16
Speaker 1: me just run across three lanes of this road that's
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Speaker 1: closed off for the race. You do not want to
20:22
Speaker 1: waste those steps, truly, you don't want to waste those steps,
20:25
Speaker 1: So have them set up where it's going to be
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Speaker 1: most convenient for you.
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Speaker 2: Awesome, Okay, Convenience is important. Finding family, finding friends always helpful.
20:33
Speaker 2: Now we're more than halfway through the race. We're like
20:36
Speaker 2: coming up on that mile eighteen to twenty area, and
20:39
Speaker 2: this is when things get rough.
20:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, so where are we at?
20:44
Speaker 2: What that is?
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Speaker 1: I can I always try to approach miles eighteen and
20:50
Speaker 1: above as a rite of passage. Like, you know, people
20:55
Speaker 1: always talk about mile twenty two. I actually think eighteen
20:57
Speaker 1: to twenty one can be the toughest because once you're
21:00
Speaker 1: at twenty two, you're like, even if I crawl, my
21:03
Speaker 1: ass is getting to that fish. But at eighteen you're like, ooh,
21:07
Speaker 1: that's still kind of a long run, you know, especially
21:09
Speaker 1: when your legs they're tired. So I think considering that
21:15
Speaker 1: that is literally the crucible, like that's the right of passage.
21:19
Speaker 1: You have trained so hard for the privilege of doing
21:23
Speaker 1: this with your body. And again it goes back to
21:27
Speaker 1: identifying how you're going to speak to yourself in that moment.
21:32
Speaker 1: And I also think are people are hunting for motivation
21:35
Speaker 1: when they should be hunting for purpose. So yes, scrolling
21:39
Speaker 1: on Instagram and seeing you know, a beautiful, powerful runner
21:43
Speaker 1: like Carrigaucher or Als and Felix, you're like, wow, like
21:46
Speaker 1: they are exemplary and they are. I love that, hey, ladies,
21:50
Speaker 1: but you know they're not you, and they're not with
21:53
Speaker 1: you on the course most likely. So what is your
21:56
Speaker 1: purpose in getting to that finish line? And it has
21:58
Speaker 1: to be yours? Is it being a younger mom? Is
22:00
Speaker 1: it being you know, is it for that selfie at
22:02
Speaker 1: the finish line? Live?
22:04
Speaker 3: But you got to earn it, right, you got to
22:06
Speaker 3: earn it.
22:06
Speaker 2: And so obviously also at this point a through line
22:09
Speaker 2: on this we're talking about fuel. We haven't touched on
22:11
Speaker 2: just yet. A strategy in terms of, yes, you have
22:15
Speaker 2: to rehearse it, but generally I would say a rule
22:17
Speaker 2: of thumb you here quite often is about every four
22:20
Speaker 2: miles or every thirty minutes.
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Speaker 3: What is something that you stick to.
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Speaker 1: For that I do every thirty minutes like clockwork. Yeah,
22:26
Speaker 1: you definitely win a bank minimum of two hundred calories
22:30
Speaker 1: before you get to mile twenty, and that's most people
22:35
Speaker 1: will be running further on race day than they have
22:38
Speaker 1: in any training run by a few miles, at least three,
22:41
Speaker 1: three to six miles. So I would say, you know,
22:44
Speaker 1: you definitely want to consider that you're banking the calories.
22:48
Speaker 1: You never want to be thirsty, you're hungry on the course,
22:50
Speaker 1: You're always preempting that.
22:52
Speaker 2: Totally okay, So we're coming up to that finish line.
22:55
Speaker 2: It's your big moment. And what happens now walking?
23:01
Speaker 1: You know, unless you have a serious injury or something,
23:03
Speaker 1: keep moving. I actually love the way the New York
23:06
Speaker 1: City course is set up that it kind of forces
23:08
Speaker 1: you to walk for about a mile. That will reduce soreness.
23:11
Speaker 1: It gets it flushes out lactic acid, and it's just
23:15
Speaker 1: kind of bringing your body back to status quo after
23:18
Speaker 1: something that was really intense for three, four, five, six
23:21
Speaker 1: hours or more so. Definite, I just like grab a
23:26
Speaker 1: water bottle and walk with it. It might be might
23:28
Speaker 1: feel more like a hobble. You know, that's okay. Don't
23:31
Speaker 1: don't pressure yourself, but I but I do like the
23:33
Speaker 1: idea of walking after a race, and you wanna a
23:36
Speaker 1: lot of races will have the stretching tents and the
23:38
Speaker 1: massage tents and stuff. Just be make sure you're you
23:42
Speaker 1: know how you feel in that moment, because your muscles
23:44
Speaker 1: are incredibly tender, so you don't want to have someone
23:46
Speaker 1: that you might not have not have ever seen before
23:48
Speaker 1: kind of going in on your hamstring or something. Just
23:51
Speaker 1: just be really mindful of that. That post race recovery sweet.
23:55
Speaker 3: Kind of stuff totally.
23:56
Speaker 2: And I mean, obviously you plan to see your family
23:59
Speaker 2: along the course, but it's also really important afterward, no
24:02
Speaker 2: matter where you are, if you're domestic, if you're international,
24:04
Speaker 2: you have a plan of where you're going to find
24:06
Speaker 2: them afterward because a lot of the times in these marathons,
24:10
Speaker 2: it's a lot of people concentrated in one area. Cell
24:12
Speaker 2: phone service might not be working. You're obviously going to
24:15
Speaker 2: be a little slower, a little more out of.
24:16
Speaker 3: It than usual.
24:17
Speaker 2: So it's so so important to make sure you also
24:21
Speaker 2: have a post race plan, super important.
24:25
Speaker 1: And you're probably not just try to focus on hydration.
24:28
Speaker 1: You might not be really hungry. I always tell myself, like,
24:31
Speaker 1: just get in like five pretzels, you know, like just
24:33
Speaker 1: try to get it down and then but don't freak out.
24:36
Speaker 1: If you're not super hungry within the hour after the race,
24:39
Speaker 1: it might take a few hours for your appetite to
24:41
Speaker 1: come back. And I always recommend, if you do have
24:44
Speaker 1: family you know in town or loved ones, pick a
24:48
Speaker 1: place that's off the race course to have that like
24:53
Speaker 1: celebratory meal. Yeah, because at least in a place like
24:55
Speaker 1: New York City, the traffic is insane, so you kind
24:58
Speaker 1: of just want to plan your way home in a
25:00
Speaker 1: way that doesn't exacerbate, you know, make it more difficulty,
25:05
Speaker 1: make it more difficult exactly. Oh, and go walk backwards
25:07
Speaker 1: down the stairs.
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Speaker 3: That helps a lot.
25:08
Speaker 2: Oh god, those next day stairs, they're always an adventure. Yes, Okay,
25:12
Speaker 2: you have the opportunity right now to offer some last
25:15
Speaker 2: words of wisdom for the upcoming marathonors.
25:18
Speaker 3: What do you leave them with, Robin?
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Speaker 1: I want them to look in the mirror and bang
25:26
Speaker 1: on their chest until they believe that they are a badass,
25:30
Speaker 1: because it really takes looking yourself in the eyes and
25:33
Speaker 1: being like, we're doing this today, And it might feel
25:37
Speaker 1: silly at first, but there's something really powerful of moving
25:40
Speaker 1: your body in space for longer than further than many
25:44
Speaker 1: people drive, and that makes you a very special superhero.
25:48
Speaker 1: So own that shit.
25:49
Speaker 2: It's a unique opportunity and an exciting one. Get that yes, awesome, Robin,
25:55
Speaker 2: thanks so much for sitting down with me today.
25:57
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here.
25:58
Speaker 2: I know, I know it was long overdue, Long overdue
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