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Episode 180: Slurp Review: The Penguin · Chucks Cantina

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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe it'd be useful keep me around for now.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: This is Chuck's Cantina podcast to start, where anything and
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: everything is up for discussion.
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  Speaker 2: And now here's your bar, Chuck. Oh, Donald, I've got
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: you like a fucking fish.
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  Speaker 1: Some night. Yep, and you're gonna wear it, and you're
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: definitely gonna you're you're definitely getting a red scarf for Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's actually, that's a good idea local the Chuck's Cantina.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: Chuck's Cantina, let's get started. I mean, the red scarf
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  Speaker 2: is a le can stay in. Yeah, yeah, I'll stay
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: your favor I don't call me Chuck. Shack Zilla is
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: joining us today. It's been a while. How are you.
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: I'm doing good. I'm doing real good. Happy to be here,
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: and congrats on two years of happy marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's today, Yeah, that is yeah, her, I, her
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  Speaker 1: and I had a nice FaceTime dinner slash slunch.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: It's very nice.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you. It is two years since I married
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  Speaker 1: my better half, my lovely bride. She's kicking ass over there.
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  Speaker 1: She actually just got back from a little excursion in London.
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  Speaker 1: She had a good time, got home. Say anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: She actually met some nice folk. She didn't happen well
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  Speaker 1: and really quick, wait what are you drinking? Sorry, before
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  Speaker 1: we get when Patrick came min last week, Oh ge Patre,
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  Speaker 1: we need to get to the drinks twenty minutes in.
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  Speaker 1: I want to make challenge that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am actually rocking a drink tonight. I am
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  Speaker 2: doing a bold rock Craft cocktail vodka, orange crush.
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  Speaker 1: Kinky you mean monsterso sugar because after this, I'm going
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: to the gym. But then, uh uh, what the hell
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: is it called? Hold on clickety clack. Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: When I a little earlier later, when I come home
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  Speaker 1: from the gym, after I get to work out it
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  Speaker 1: and I have some protein and everything mean and nick
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  Speaker 1: a showered. Before I go to bed, I'll be having
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  Speaker 1: some horse soldier straight bourbon, very good ship, bro, bro Bro.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a big straight bourbon guy, but that sounds
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  Speaker 2: pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, thank you. Yes, two years she got back
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  Speaker 1: from work, surgeon, I'll say, met some very good people
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  Speaker 1: over there, very good people. We'll get into that again.
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  Speaker 1: So but yes, as I always want us to at
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  Speaker 1: Chucks Canteen, your social Chuck chanteena Jamil dot com. Please
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  Speaker 1: also go in the past couple episode links. You can
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  Speaker 1: find the link to help support any better cause than
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  Speaker 1: my own, that being Chuck the Adobe. Moran's helped my Bill,
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  Speaker 1: lovely wife for two years now, and my father in
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  Speaker 1: law great guy. Uh they're running for the w w
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  Speaker 1: don't be Moran's WF, and you can help donate to
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  Speaker 1: Good Costs anyway, Yes, going on to the red scarf
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  Speaker 1: scratched it? Anything else?
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  Speaker 3: Do what?
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  Speaker 1: Exciting? Whatever? Well, I didn't realize, I mean not that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was my anniversary, but probably
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  Speaker 1: should be talking about this, But what should we be
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  Speaker 1: talking about my anniversary?
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  Speaker 2: That's true, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: But she has her book, She has her book boyfriends exactly,
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  Speaker 1: you have your TV girlfriends.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: And now you guys know what you can do for
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: Halloween next year?
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  Speaker 1: And then I love you. Sorry, we're listening, but no,
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  Speaker 1: just one girl baby anyway, before we get to the
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  Speaker 1: slurp review of Penguin obviously, as we're talking about that's
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  Speaker 1: what the title is. I know it's been a minute
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  Speaker 1: since you've been on here. We talked a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago about how me and Joe and Trevor came
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  Speaker 1: out to visit you. Yes, we talked about the great
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: fucking name mad House in Maryland. We talked about that,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, what else is new and exciting in your life?
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  Speaker 1: It's been a couple, say, about a month and a
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  Speaker 1: half months, it's been anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was pretty busy towards the end there, but
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  Speaker 2: I did leave my job, needed some personal time to
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  Speaker 2: just kind of reset and relax, which has been absolutely delightful.
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  Speaker 1: And today I actually don't show that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's just a lot of late night gaming,
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  Speaker 2: you know, doing the things that I haven't been able
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  Speaker 2: to do in a while. But today I got indication
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  Speaker 2: that I got a new job, and uh I'm waiting
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  Speaker 2: to your officially. So yeah, very excited for that. Today
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  Speaker 2: is a good day for both of us. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: now it's just relations enjoying the rest of uh November.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, No, it's good to have you back, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was also good to finally get to see you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean not like you were asking me for years.
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  Speaker 2: To come visit. Yeah, but now now you know what
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  Speaker 2: what's out here?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, and what's funny is like obviously like we're
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  Speaker 1: red and I talked about how we were just you know,
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: goofing off saying, oh yeah, we were we doing this again.
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  Speaker 1: Next it's like, hey, what games are happy next year?
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  Speaker 1: With the Bearers looking to a different game, and for
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  Speaker 1: some fucking reason, they're coming out to you for a
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: third straight year. So like, and I read and I
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: told cal about that, and she's like, are you're sure
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: you read it right? And I'm like positive, and like
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, like your wife says that
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: you're your partner says, you're like, wait, did I look
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: at it right? Like vonderable checked while I went on
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: her the phone with her making sure like I'm not crazy,
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: but yeah, no, we'll definitely am. I mean's pretty much
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  Speaker 1: goes like I think, unless it's like Christmas, which I
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: don't think they make that a Christmas game, we're I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're pretty much coming out there. I mean who else,
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, someone from that show might be already moved
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  Speaker 1: off their hints hints wink, wink, hint hint. I think
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: I won't get into that, but I think it's I
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  Speaker 1: think it's pretty much inevitable. Like fans anyway, Yes, I'm
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: glad you're telling we'll get right into it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to keep you too on here, We'll got for
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  Speaker 1: maybe a noworth that. But yes, so we are doing
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  Speaker 1: sup review of the Penguin. No I pause there, God Like,
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: let me just say this obviously, Yes, this is a
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  Speaker 1: show associated with a super superpero superhero ip. This is
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  Speaker 1: a continuation of the Robert Pant's Batman film. No spoiler
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  Speaker 1: and really quick, as always with any superview spoilers, fucking
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  Speaker 1: expect it part of my French anyway, moving along, there
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  Speaker 1: is no Batman in this show. They never tease him
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: well to the lawyer last second, they don't tease him
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  Speaker 1: at all. And I think, let me just say this,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot believe that a show like this, a concept
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  Speaker 1: where it's like we're going to make a show solely
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  Speaker 1: based on just a bad guy, a villain of a
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  Speaker 1: major hero, could do so well and end so well
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: where the whole time obviously with and it's it's just
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: human nature. Whenever you watch a show, you identify with
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: certain characters, you get drawn to certain characters, You want
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: certain characters to pull out and win in the end.
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: I can't believe this show kept making me go every
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: week wanting to go, what the fuck is Oswald gonna
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: do this week? You know, he's the title character.
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  Speaker 2: He's a fucking asshole, yep, but an asshole you grow
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  Speaker 2: to love.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean.
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: You knew from from episode one, Yeah you knew it
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  Speaker 2: was inevitable. No, but they did such a good fucking job,
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  Speaker 2: not only directing, writing and chef's kiss to the acting.
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  Speaker 2: They played your heartstrings. They they got to with their
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  Speaker 2: side of hand. You're like, Okay, Oswald's bad. I know
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: this episode one he's he's just gonna be a dick
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  Speaker 2: this whole time. Fuck, no, you grew to love him.
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  Speaker 2: And then they're like, oh, yeah we did. He forget
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  Speaker 2: Oswalt's bad.
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: That's that's that. There were so many times they would
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  Speaker 1: like you would start like that. That's that was the
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  Speaker 1: best part. It was like it wasn't like a good
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  Speaker 1: tity was like like uh oh, what's a good way
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  Speaker 1: to like a good I'm that analogy like you know,
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  Speaker 1: like like oh, like that he has those qualities. You
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: know we've all heard that like in a movie stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that, Like oh they had those calls, but they
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  Speaker 1: keep going back to the douchebag dude, like there were
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  Speaker 1: so many times that you would like get drawn to
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: this character of like the good like oh this, like oh,
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  Speaker 1: I can see myself kind of like liking this guy
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: because you know he loves his man and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you love all this stuff. Ma, I know, I called
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  Speaker 1: my mom for me. It was kind of funny sometimes
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  Speaker 1: literally like my mom she just she just finished it
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  Speaker 1: literally last night, and like last week I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to her. I'm like, hey mon, I'm like, oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: what She's like, what's wrong with you? Like nothing, nothing,
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  Speaker 1: because she didn't watch it all. She didn't watch any
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  Speaker 1: of until last weekend. But there were so many times
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  Speaker 1: he would like have these like qualities, these like moments
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: of like like I'm not gonna say soulsye, but just
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: like you know, like like heartwarming moments where you're like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: like this truly is a guy who just cares about
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: his family. And it gets really quick. Really sorry for
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: you to say something with any some review. Yeah, we
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: kind of go in between, don't do episode by episode.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: We somebot what we like and like what the best
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: parts were and shit like that, because we actually I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I mean not we meet. I would like if anyone
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  Speaker 1: who has listened to it, which I mean, obviously thank
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: you for listen, but why the same as a spoiler,
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: but like we would want you to go watch it
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: because like that's just how good it was, the fact
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: that there were so many times you would get they
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: would literally draw you in and you're like, oh my god,
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: like I'm starting to like like this guy. And then
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: the way they would just punch you in the face
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: with some heinous act what he would do was so
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: perfectly written, perfectly shot that like it just like follows.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: I'll get right into it right away. They say like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he has no family, just has his math, and but
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: he had three brothers, and you hear that they died
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: very young. You're like, oh what happened? Like what hate?
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Because my first thought was, I mean, I'm a huge
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: Batman fanatic. Drew knows that there's a lot of the
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: backstories of characters in the famous Batman Rogues gallery where
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: they're kind of the same if the like, you know,
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: they sometimes they change comics or whatever, and then there's
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: different storylines on plot points. Some are pretty much just
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: say the penguin, Ah, that's one of those ones where
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: like one thing, it's this way the other thing's complete opposite.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: But what I love about this was all this whole time,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: it was this guy just truly loves his mother, wants
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  Speaker 1: what's best for her. No one knows about her, and
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: all you know is that his brothers died, and it
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: was like it was like what the episode six or seven,
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: they finally they finally show it, and you're thinking, fuck,
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: these kids are handling his mom's game business thing where
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: she's working for the game for some reason, and you're
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: going to get money or something like that, and you're thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I like the whole time thing like they're gonna get
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: shot to be a drive by.
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: And then get to the right to the point. They're
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: playing in a sewer and Oz has a been the.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Reason he's called the penguin is because well he's got
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  Speaker 1: a weird kind of face and also he has like
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  Speaker 1: a gimp h deformed foot were just the other way
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  Speaker 1: to say it, unfortunately, and they hide in the sewer
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  Speaker 1: below him or ray was it a drainage? What was it?
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: It was the overflow?
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: Drain overflow, think drink, thank you, and he locks him in.
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: During instrum, a massive reinstrum, and then.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: He goes home and he fucking leoked him drowned.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy was.
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  Speaker 1: So enamored with just wanting his mom to only love
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  Speaker 1: him that he not I'm not gonna say, and fully
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  Speaker 1: intentionally kill his brothers.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: Oh he knew, he knew what was gonna happen, and he.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking murdered his brothers. Was it so high right now?
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Because I literally, by the way, who were the fuck
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: that kid is? Whoever that kid actor is? When they
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: need to do Batman again in thirty years, there's your
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: fucking pick. The guy was literally perfect as a kid penguin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. I that went to me like that
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  Speaker 1: was the most shocked. Like there was a lot of
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: shocking moments on the show, but that was like the
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  Speaker 1: most I'm not gonna say, like the most like disturbing
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: shocking moment. I'll talk about that a little bit later,
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  Speaker 1: but for me, that was like the most like holy shit,
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  Speaker 1: Like I literally the pause the TV go, holy shit,
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  Speaker 1: he killed his brothers.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I expected him to somehow play a
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: part in it, but I was not expecting that until
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: they went into the sewers. As soon as they're into
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: the sewers, I was like, fuck, this is where they.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: Die, but then how they died. I was kind of
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: shocked at. I was like, he just walks away, like
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: walks away. He just he just walks away.
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  Speaker 1: And the way they shot it where you keep going
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: back to him and his mom watching and yes, I
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: know fred I aris unlistairs something. Think of the exactly
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: last name. They're watching a classic move from Fred Alice there,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: the famous dancer slash actor. And they keep going back
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  Speaker 1: to this, to the overflowed drain that's locked, and you
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  Speaker 1: hear this, brothers, this is getting weaker because they're getting
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: they're getting more filled with water.
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  Speaker 2: And then the silence.
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  Speaker 1: No, but here's here's the gree that if he listens
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  Speaker 1: to the last part where there's silence, you could hear
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  Speaker 1: the bodies rubbing up against it.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: I did not hear that.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't hear that till I saw someone post something.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like and I literally like, okay, I'm not gonna
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: go on Twitter and look at it. I literally turned
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: it on and I went to that scene. If you
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: fucking listen quietly, you just hear just kids. I was like,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: don't show him drowning like you can you can hear it,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: clearest day and I just again went, holy ship, this
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: show is fucked. Oh my god. But yeah, dude, And
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: then of course, like I mean, and we'll get right
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: in to the Drew NIC's favorite part of the show.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Vic not kidding, I mean that's everyone else by the show. Nah,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Sophia felt now fuck Falconie Gigante man. How missus Mosby
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: has a wal? I guess.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: The acting in this Chef's Kiss, both Colin and Kristen. Honestly,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: even Rinsey nailed. It's Victor who played or yeah?
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: I think overall that was what I liked the most
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: and what shocked me the most of the show was
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: the writing and acting because initially I was not going
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: to watch this show because I saw DC. I saw
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: a TV show and I saw a penguin and I
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah no. But after watching the trailer, I
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, okay, I was bored. One day popped
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: on the first episode to give it a go. Instantly
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is gonna be some good ship.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I ended up binging four episodes of the five that
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: were out at the time that night. And to your
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: point about the DC TV, like d C has had
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: and again, here's the thing, too. This is also HPO
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: but like d C does have that bad taste in
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: the mouth.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Obviously, now underlu leadership of like everything they produce is
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: either mid or garbage by the majority of audiences. But
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: keep in mind this is following up the Batman Pattinson movie,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: which got ray reviews critics made almost a billion dollars
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: and all that, especially like Right to Tale the Pandemic,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and obviously it was all about Colin Farrell's penguin, who
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: was one of the highlights of the film. But it's
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: still like, hmm, we're doing again, We're doing a d
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: C TV show because the only other good d d
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: C TV show might I mean Smallville? Okay, I'll give
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you that one, but like the only good and I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: don't know if you watched Peacemaker of John Cena, that
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: shows fun. But again, ye, but under James gun regime.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: You know, James Gunn had nothing to do with this.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: He's obviously just the person who's green lighting shit. Matt
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Rees is fully matt Reees baby, even though he had
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the writing, he just was producing everything.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: This is one of those shows that shows you that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: when you have talented people who are passionate about the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: project and those talented people who are in the lead,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: higher talented people to direct, who then higher talented people
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to write this is what you're going to get. I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: have nothing. I don't mean any disrespect against any other
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: TV shows. If Colin and Chris and CHRISTI better are,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's a lot they're gonna be nominated if
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: they don't win the Emmy. I don't know what the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: fuck is going on. And this isn't for a fact
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: that like you know, like, uh, what do you call it?
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  Speaker 3: That?
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, they just played such good bad guys on TV?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Just okay, R Anyway, what is Sophia Gagante's admission tape
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: to for the Emmys. It's the episode where she's in Arkham.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: And that's all I need to say. Yeah, because that
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: was my favorite episode, as fucked up as it was,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: because I'm a Batman fanatic and all anyone wants is
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: just a deep dive into Arkham, which we were going
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to get. But I guess it's kind of been shelved now,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: especially with like a lot of strikes and shit like that. Unfortunately,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: but like that, that that episode of just her and
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Arkham was so fucked up and so messed up, but
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: so like intriguing that like you left wanting more. But
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: it's like do you really want to watch these people
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: get fucking tortured? No?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: But it makes them who they are curiosity, yes, And
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I don't. And again I obviously like the Emmys are't
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be for a while and shit like that. But
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it's just like it's just you're here anything. Everything you're
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: hearing about the show times it by four. But again,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: everyone is a bad mineus Vic Vick is just a
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: kid who just unfortunately literally felt I mean, which we
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: all can relate because we all, I mean either were
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: we were those people are areless people or we know
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: those people who just fell into the wrong crowd. And
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that's literally who Vic is in this show, yep. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: he fell into has no family. His parents were killed
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: by the Riddular and the massive explosion flood thing that
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: happened the Bandman movie, and then he got caught by
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Penguin trying to steal his rims and then Penguin to
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: wonder his wing and like the whole show, other than Math,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that was the only person Penguin cared about.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Us a girl, his girl, oh yeah, well his yeah,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: his girl yet but I forget her name? I uh
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: was it nally No, it's gonna gross, yeah, but I
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: can pull it up to.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Getting clack where the fuck are you? But anyway, yeah,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: but like Eve, thank you, even Eve, even fun. Even
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the smallest characters in this show like had their purpose
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: even though majority of him got whacked. Yeah, but and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: it just shows this is like, this is like the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: problem that like I'm not saying Marbles that have good
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: TV shows from the Marvels Heavy where it's like there's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: so many like or if anything, that's the Marbles's biggest
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: problem is that with the newest uh saga if you will,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: there is no quote no I mean, I don't mean
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to be ironic endgame where it's like, what is this
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: leading to? What is the purpose of this?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Well, this was a show of just was hey, uh,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the main crime lord from the Batman movie is dead.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Everyone's going forward hit the pie. That's it, And you're
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: gonna follow this one dude, who, by the way, we're
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: letting you know ahead of time, is an asshole. But
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna make you love this asshole. But we're also
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: gonna make you realize a couple of times throughout the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: show that he's an asshole.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I mean my thing right now between Marvel and DC. Yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and I just finished Agatha Alone, which which I did enjoy,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: But that's very like whimsical, like happy family kind of TV, right,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: and this is very like serious. Yeah, And I don't know.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: To me, I like that better, like especially with like
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: DC comics, Like, yeah, I loved Batman as a kid.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: You know, there's gonna be kids all around the world
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that love Batman still. But when you can make it
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: an adult show, you can understand and capture the extreme
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: dynamics that are going in Gotham, you know, like when
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: they fucking blew Johnny Vet's head off, Like you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you can't do that if it's a kid show. But
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it illustrates where Sophia was coming from, you know, what
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: she was trying to illustrate how she was going to
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: change from the Falcones to the Chacandes, Like it was
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: important to have that scene, and you can't do that
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in a family friendly show.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. And I think this is,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: if anything, this is the perfect example of a I mean,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it is what a superhero show because it isn't that genre.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: That's showing you what limits you can take a show
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: almost because here's the thing, you can almost make the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: argument that some Marvel products out there, they're not too
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: far off from what Penguin did. It's just obviously every
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: third word in the show is fuck because a good fuck.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Ma.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because there's no there's no there's no sex scenes,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: there's no Game of Thrones and crazy shits. I mean, yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: there's some brutal violent kills, but you could say Marvel
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: has the exact same thing. It's there's not a bunch
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: of blood spewing that in certain places, because that's the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: thing that's that's with time, you know what I mean.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Like with time, like things evolve, we essentially as generations
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: grow older, we line up a bit, you know what
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I mean. Like again, like you cann't fathom seeing like
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: a you know, a man or a woman having a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: sex scene. Back in the seventies, it said what they
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: would do. They'd show him kissing and it would fain
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the black as they walk into a bedroom and then
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: James Bond they would just show them doing stuff in bed,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: but nothing happens. But now we have scenes in like
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: shows where it's like this is this is on Hulu, right,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not on some I'm not on my I'm
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: not on an internet site or something like that, you
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, well on lines. But like, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's what was awesome about the show because like,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: as not even just a generate, but as a culture,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: we're becoming more acceptable to seeing things not even just
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: like in a locked room on a silver screen, just
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: on our television, Like this was a television show. Like
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: if you had HBO on your regular cable whatever, this
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: show came on there. It was on there. Anyone can
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: watch it, your kids could watch it. Obviously majority of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the people watched it on Max where it was streams
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But yeah, no, and I think
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and and I think it's not even that like people
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: you or myself at our age were, Yeah, we're obviously
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: going to be pulled more towards this show because it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: more a realistic show. And also I think it's just
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: because like it's obviously something new because Marvel, there's just
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: so much shit to get caught up on and pay
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: attention to. It's harder for someone us to do that now,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: even like the hard I know, like I love the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: MCUO I do. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I was not gonna say it's not a weak spot
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: right now. But I even know people who are way
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: crazy about the MCO than I am, and they're like,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: let me get back to you.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I only watched Agatha all along because it
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: was like Halloween time and I had watched WandaVision and
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: enjoyed it right Outside of that, I have got no
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: idea what's going on in them CU know how everythings
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: tied together.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way I. I've definitely seen more
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: than you, just based off of that comment from what
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: come out from the MCU. But like it's like I said,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: there's no you don't need to have a giant franchise
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and have everything leading to one again endgame. Marvel did that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: They did that for twelve to.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Fifteen years with their twenty something movies at all.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Lat to fanos, it made sense. The problem is they're
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: doing that now where it's like they're all connected, but
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it's but no one's telling you why why it was connected?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Oh just because you want to call the multiverse, why
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you want to call the multiverse just because we can
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: have Spider Man in here, or we got to go
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: out Andrew Garfi here for twenty minutes. Ye, okay, that
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that happened. That was cool.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: We all freaked out. But now it's like where are
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: we going now? And it's like there's no one's telling you.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: But now it's like, oh, we're bringing Robert Downie back,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: but he's not playing Iron Man, he's playing doctor doing.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, how are you to explain that? Okay,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: we'll tell you, But it's like the movie comes.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Out in like a year and a half and we
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: have no there's not even a There's not even a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: like foreshadowing or a reason to get to that point,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like there was a fanos. We don't know why.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be like hey here's here's Downy. It's like
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: why is he here? Oh no, I mean I know they're.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Going to explain it more than that, but it's like
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: instead of like taking all these twelve products you've released
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: since Endgame to get to that point, obviously there's a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: lot more parameters as to why they're bringing Downy back.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonnaing to that, but like you're just gonna shoehorn.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Well you could you You're just gonna put like all
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this information in like two products that you when you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: could have done it for seven eight like you did before.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that also might be why Penguin feels
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: so good is because you know, they just had the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: new Batman boot right, so they they're the starting fresh
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and this is like the immediate follow up, right, Like
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: there's two things to keep track of, you know, so
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: it's simplified, it's easy. You know, they loosely connect so
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: we understand what's going on on, but it's its own
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: story still, and you know that that. I wouldn't be
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: surprised if that's a major piece of why it was
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: so enjoyable, right, you know, I don't have to be like, oh,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: did I watch the last five different shows to make
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: sure that I know what's going on in this show? Right?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Because and actually my uh was I think it was
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: kend Nasby. She's like, do I need when I if
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I watch the show, or do I need to watch
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: or I actually I think do I need to watch
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Batman to understand the show? I go no, But it
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: significantly helps if.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You do, see I've been telling people the opposite. But
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: but you don't have to though, yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You don't have to because like the main the main
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: point that Batman was the stuff going between Batman and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the Riddler and then the stuff between Penguin and Carmine
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Falcone that was to the side. But like, if you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: want it's it's like this. It's kind of like like, hey,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: if you like for any MCU project, like, hey, if
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: you watch all the projects, you're gonna know more shit.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: That's the best way I say it. But like, yeah,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you don't need to be like you don't need to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: watch The Batman or understanding the Penguin. I'm going to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: encourage you to watch The Batman because it helps well,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: because it's like this. It's like because it's where it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: like like, hey, why is this whole town like in
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a slumber well, you know what I mean. But it's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: not none, none of the there's not a lot of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: things from The Batman that our main plot points in
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this show other than the fact that Carmine Falcone is dead.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: That's been Riddler blew up the sea wall. Yeah, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: then that's why the whole city was flooded. And now
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: because Falcone is dead, the whole city was flooded. The
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: drug rain essentially is wide open, and it's like who's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: gonna take over? And of course all the people who
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: work with him want to want to take it. Carmine
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Felcon's son wants to take it. Man, was that a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: short live appearance? Of course, Sophia wants to take a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: chickens out of Arkham four reasons like wait, why are
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you an Arkham? Wink wink, you know what I mean.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: And it's just a giant power struggle, which again that's
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: all people need. We don't need to have I mean
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: doing wrong. I'm a huge fan of Iron Man, spik
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: him as much as the next guy, but like, yeah,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: just give him us four to five characters who all
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: want to take over and they're fucking going after each other. Great, Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I don't need to have a bunch of a fitty
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Stones or fucking twenty other people in the subplots who
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: might join at some point. No, because give me one
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: thing with five six people and boom. I mean again,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: because I remember og patron answer. He's like, how would
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you describe the show? And go literally just imagine the Sopranos,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: but it has a lot of breaking bad influence. They're
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: all going, Yeah, that's the best way to say it,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: because the people often forget Walter White and Tony Soprano
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in those shows. They're bad people. Now, Walter White did
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: his thing for different rea since Colony did his things
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: for different reasons. But like, that's pretty much what the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: show was. It was if sopranos and Bricky Bad came
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: together had a one night fun thing. And then here's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the Penguin.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: For all the new listeners. I don't typically be like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: this is a must watch TV show, but Penguin is
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: definitely a must watch. Like, even if you're not into
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: DC and the comics and stuff, it in itself is
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: just a good TV show. It's not.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. I mean, it's a great superhero show.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: If you want to get down to sir, but you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: don't even like seriously, you can just tell someone if
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: they don't even know what DC is, you can just
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: simply say it's a great TV show. Ye, sure, it
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: follows a superhero movie, but has this show has nothing
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to do with a superhero. It is just a great
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: TV show about a drug war. That's all you gotta say.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: And That's that's what I've been telling people.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't normally go to friends and family and be like, hey,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: like you should watch the TV show unless I think
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: it's a great show and people shouldn't watch it. But
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I I've told my I'd tell you, even like to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: my third circle, like hey go watch this.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I've I've had conversations about the show at work. Yeah, yes,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I've had conversations about a drug war at work. Drug
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: wore TV show.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Rather excuse me, I want to report you to HR.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: You're a new one, but I am the new one.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I am the danger. I am the new HR. But yeah, no,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and it's just and then well, like I said, there's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: there's so many things you get to talk about the show.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: This stuff like with Odds relationship with his ma, which
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: which we found out, and like his mom is a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I guess I want to say a schizophrenic, but like
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: she has dementia Alzheimer's.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And like they don't ever actually that's the thing, they
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: don't actually saying what they did. No, they said a
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: couple of times, Uh, it's not Luke Garrett's but it's
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: something body disease.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, But either way, like she has like she has
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: unfortunately this medical disability which really affects her membery and
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: their stuff also kind of like it like weird boorline
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: personality stores. Like one minute she's like, you know, like
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I can't remember anything or like I take care of me.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: In the next minute, she's like the fucking the thing
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that drives him because she's.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Like, you're gonna take over this fucking murder. Everyone's like
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: what the fuck, Like, what.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Kind of mom is this? Like my mother never talked
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to me like that. And again at the end, it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: revealed the whole time she knew that he killed his
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: brothers and she was actually gonna have him killed, but
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: then he gave this impassionate speech to her about like
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: how I'm gonna take gay you mom, I'm gonna put
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you in at that presidential sweet math.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And again my my question to you though on that Yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: all right, season finale, Yes, Penthouse, Yes, tear drop, Yes,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: what do you think the teardrop is for?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You mean, the the mom tear Ye. So at the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: end of the show, she fortunately she stabbed. She tells
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: us she's on the whole time. After she's skin by
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Sophia Sophia kind of like lets her go, but she's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: like on this weird TI rated screaming and odds, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: then she breaks a bottle and stabs out in the stomach.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But then she sees her two boys as a kind
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: of like goat or like mirage or just mind fucked.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: And then she she legitimately she has a stroke, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: then of course once Oz takes over, she's in the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: top presential Sweezy promised and she has a tear drop.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I just think it was what I think it was
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a callback because it was like the second episode.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, like a couple of times she says,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I'm want to put you up in.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: No No, But middle of the season, she literally begs
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: him if I ever become like a vegetable or something
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: like that, or don't let me get to that point
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: kill me.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about that?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Is like, no, I'm not gonna do that. But he
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just says he pretty much tells her yes eventually, just
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to like, oh ship, I forgot about that.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: One's the one thing she asked him, not that he
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: she did not want. She didn't want he, she did
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: not want him to let her get to that point.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: But then she had a stroke after she stabbed him,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and and this is the thing I was trying to say,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: this is the thing that sucked that, Like this is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like how shitty I'm not sure, like is a shitty person?
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Like this is like where you kind of feel for him.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Every single time he's trying to do something, he does it,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but he can never share it what the person he's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: trying to do it with. He was trying to do
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: all these things, trying to take over the drug reign
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and all this stuff, get that presidential swet in top
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: building so his mom can Matt can live on the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: top floor and have all these twords, never have to
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: worry about it. And right when finally, finally, finally he
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: gets all that for her, she can't enjoy it, to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: which we'll get to the very disturbance scene here in
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but like, yeah, that's what the tear
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: drop was for, because like while she had, while she
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: got everything he promised her, he ultimately quote unquote broke
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the last promise he made her where she will let
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't let her get to that point, which well,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: if you watch the show, Oz is a compulsive liar
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: because he never does admit to her that he killed
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: his brothers.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Even though she knows. Everyone knows, even though.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: She knows, and she's screaming at him, he knows she knows,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and he never he never says it, never tells vic,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: never tells anyone that he's the one who locked his
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: brothers in that overflowed drain.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Or psychologically it's fascinating his character or.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Another thing, sally, another thing that Oz doesn't get. He
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: gets in this huge fight in a like a random
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: train car with Carmine. He's fighting him, Carmie that's actually
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: kicking his ass, and what happens, for some reason, Carmine
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: gets a fucking heart attack and just dies. And Oz
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: is like, no, he doesn't. He doesn't want to where
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: he died or he dies of a heart attack. He
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: wants to where he beats him. And he finally grabs
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: it by the collar as he's dead, and he goes,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I beat you. It's like, no, you did it. But then,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: just to cold prove his point or so no one
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: asked questions, he puts a full fucking clip in him
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: even though he's dead already.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Like that.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: That was the brilliant thing about this show is that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: everything no matter what Oz tried to do, even though
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: he actually won in the end, he never got to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: like essentially prove himself. You never got to prove himself
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to or you never got to prove to the person
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: what he was trying to prove in the first place.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: The only person he honestly probably did get that was
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: with Sophia because he did the fucking shitty drug war thing,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and he or drug war thing and he made a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: deal with a politician and he got her arrested. But
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: like the main things he was trying to do where
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it's like I'm trying to beat Falcone, he couldn't or
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: uh or me, yeah, technically a Falcone. He didn't get
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: kill because Rialther killed Falcone in the movie. Didn't get
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: to kill Carmine or Maron excuse me because he had
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: a heart attack. But he's like, no, I bid you,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I got you. It's like, nah, he didn't. But then
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of course with his mom. But that's what the tear
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: drop was for.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: So I thought it was her like her scene that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: he made it like he finally got what he said.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: So she said in that maybe she was sorry for
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: like doubting him. But then the brain mush makes sense, right,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and it could also be the the like hatred still
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: of like I.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Think I think I think it's a bit of both
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of the latter, like like that say, she's not happy
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: for a time, but it's like like she had like
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: these memory issues that obviously kept going on and off
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: with like with her discibiling and stuff like that. But
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I think and I think that's what ultimately killed there,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: was like she if anything was like this for years,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: she held all that in, She held all that in
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that she hated, like she never loved him, She hated
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: him all this stuff the entire time, and she just
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: again she like literally like like like like a fucking
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: wrestling problem just unleashed on him the point where like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Sophia and like her goagers like center, like like let
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: her fucking do her thing. And then of course what
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it ultimately ends with her snapping even on top of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: her stamping already and taking an empty bottle and stabbing
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Oz with it. And then she literally has a stroke
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: because all those emotions, all that adrenaline just finally, you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: like essentially thirty forty years of pent up aggression just
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: came out of her in a matter of a second,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and then again the one promise that like she made
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the or and not even that the last promise that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: she made Oz give to her. He wouldn't. He wouldn't
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't live up to it even and he wouldn't
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: even tell her, Yeah, I killed my brothers. And that's
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: why I think that tear was and again and I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: can't say that tier maybe wasn't both because like, yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: she got the presidential sweeping, like again, the one thing
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: she says, I don't want to live like that, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: she literally begged him and he says, I'm out to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: get it, which, of course, even about Oz, he's a
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: whole shit so he only thinks, he only thinks about himself.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: That's only thinks about this guy was so jealous of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the fact that he hate to share it that his
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that he could he get all the love of his
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: mom because she had two brothers who he thought his
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: brothers were like, oh, she thinks they're perfect because he
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: has his he had his medical disabilities stuff like that
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that he I mean, you could depending on how you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: watch that scene, you could say, like that's the thing
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that brought the scene where they show like the Oz
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: is the kid where he kills his brothers, where he
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: leaves him in the overflow drain. If you like look
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: away for a second and you watch, you could argue, well,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: maybe he like thought they maybe they would get out.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: He was just like doing as like a fuck you.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But it's like that's kind of what I was thinking initially,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: But the way that the actor portrayed it right, like
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: you knew, oh yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, like as he could go down where he
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: kept like looking at his mo like his mom gospt
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: saying mas, his mom, you knew, like, okay, you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: he he fully intended to like leave him in there
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: because he knew it was an overflowed draining. He knew
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: it was raining really bad. And and here's the thing,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: and I'm letting it didn't show it. They never showed
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the scene. They never show a scene where it's revealed
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: to them that they're dead only after. And I feel
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: like if they would have shown that, they would have
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: truly shown like, you know, did he or did he
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: not mean to do it? But I think the fact
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: they didn't it it kind of like leaves it like,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like twenty five percent of people going, I
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: don't know if he meant to do it. It's like,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: but while the seventy five peoplet's start were going, no,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: he totally meant to do that, or maybe later on
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I left them in there, but he's like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you know what, no, I want this. I got mom,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I got mom all to myself, fuck them and said
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it killed his younger brother and his older brother, which
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: is really shitty. So but then yes, I want to
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: get to the cree both. I mean, my favorite part
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of the show, like I said, was the stuff with
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Sophia and Arkham or just a Sophia episode because it
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: ends with it's just this entire her torture and trauma
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and Arkham because she's falsely accused of being the hain Man,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: which is a person who kills all these prostitutes and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: other women, who is actually her father, although they never
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: truly say that outrights. So there's and that's why I
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: like they kind of like leave it up to you,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: like did maybe she was the hay in some aspect,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: like obviously her father.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like they did a good job eluding or
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: setting it up right.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: But and but the other thing too, is like they
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: never truly reveal is this doctor which is kind of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: like a love but more so like this doctress admires
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: her if he was real or not, because all of
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: a sudden, he's back at Arkham at the end, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: if you watch, if you watch the show, and because
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: because I remember I noticed this and I read review
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: about it too, the doctor never interacts with anyone else
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: other than Penguin's mom, but she never responds to him.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: She only responds.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: That's why people were saying the doctor was an imagine
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: imagination thing with Sophia because he never interacts. The only
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: thing I would say, I don't know because there's like
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: one scene like where like a guy like literally holds
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a door open for the doctor. But then but I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: read it, but yeah, but he never looks at him,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: because like, so what the guy just stands there holding
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: do open looking at Sofia, So if he would cap
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: his ass like so, like it's well scenes and then
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that was that. The doctor ends up in Arkham just
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: because Sophia is back. But again, I think he is real.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I just think they shot that meticulously like that, justin
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: again because people were talking about it. But yeah, for me,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: my favorite was the Sophie episode where she is an
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Arkham because again it shows those disturbing dark things about Arkham,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: which if you're a Batman fan you live for because
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: it's like you can totally see it being that way.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: It's obviously showing like the torture she went through because she,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: by her point of view, she was falsely accused and
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: throwing there for no reason at all, just because she
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: talked to a reporter about her dad, and then when
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: her dad died, she got out and at the end
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: of the episode, she fucking gases everyone in the famous
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: yellow dress.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Gorgeous dress.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: You guys realized too. It's kind of I'm not saying,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it was intentional to call back
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that I met your mother. You know, she wasn't one
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: of the Yello umbrella and now she's the one of
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the yellow dress. Just saying, but now I get to them.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: The very disturbing part the ending here, which we're kind
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of alluding to with what was the girl's name, Penguin's
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: gal uh Eve, thank you. Obviously his mom had a
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: had a stroke. He has her in our empty room
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: in this presidential suite that he lives on the top floor,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: and he comes into his home after talking to his
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: mom after she has the tear drop, and you see
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: a woman standing in the main room in the exact
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: same dress that his mom was wearing when she took
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: him to the club as a kid where she was
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: playing to have him killed. And she's got her hair
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: done in the exact same style. And at first I thought, Okay,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: maybe he's imagining this, but then Nasaly got closer to her,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: you realize it's the eats Eve, his girl, his girlfriend,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: who's also like she's kind of like a I mean,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: actually no, she is. She's like a pimp for other girls.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: And they start dancing, and I'm like, okay, it's kind
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of creepy. Like I literally said to myself, is he
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: is he dancing? Is he she wearing that same dress
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: as his mom? And yeah, and then he says the
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: line mah, tell me you love me. It's like, oh,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: this is fucking gross.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As soon as as soon as I saw that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: it was Eve, I knew he was doing a mommy king.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you'll be proud of me. It's like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: oh god, it's getting worse. And then like he kissed
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: her hand like please, like like like I have a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: pretty I have a pretty strong stomach. Not a lot
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: of things gross bad, but like if he would have
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: kissed her after saying that, I might have hurled, But
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: like it was so good and so brilliantly shot. And
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: of course the last line of the show is Eve saying,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: you're the this is your sitting out, You're the king
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: of Gotham. No one, there's no one to stop you.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: And of course they and the second they pan out
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the window, you knew exactly what the fuck was coming
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and taking a far pan out of the building he's in,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and they showed the rest of Gotham way far in
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the back. And of course then and I love the fact,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, it was a not a split second,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: but it was like there was no intro music to it.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: There was no sound cue. The same song that was
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: playing when they were dancing kept going on and stuff
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: like that. But they pan out and they showed the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: bats to go in the sky for a couple of seconds,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: three seconds enough where you could see it. No crazy
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: music drop or anything like that. And I'm not gonna lie.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: As soon as I came up, I was like, what
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the fuck it go? And then I realized we have
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to wait two fucking years for this movie? Fuck me?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Is it confirmed?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Two years? Yes? So so full the culture, so yes.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: The Penguin Show was literally a continuation of After the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Batman and I'll get to why Batman wasn't in this
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and for a second, but yes, it is confirmed to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: be two years. Reason being it was actually supposed to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: come out next October. It's coming to October after that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: The reason being the strikes that happened last summer, which
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: is crazy to say that was last summer, all right,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: had a lot to do with the game pushback because
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: so originally were supposed to come out next fall. Then
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it got pushed kinda to the following summer, but a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff is coming out, so it got pushed
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to Halloween ish or like end of October because nothing
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: really is coming around online at that time except for
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I think there's like a big movie coming around Christmas time,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: which there always is, especially with Christmas. Yeah, I got
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: pushed October twenty twenty six. Uh, because they're filming it,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I believe next summer, so you know, it takes about it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: You know, movies, especially big budget was like to take
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: about a year and a half, two years to make
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: so that makes sense, and it's supposed to be continuation
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: right after the Penguin show. And the reason that Batman
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't in this show, and here's the thing I love
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: right of way, and like of course people thought, okay,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: there's full of shit, they said right away, Batman will
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: not be in this show. The reason being is because
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: if you watch it to Batman, and that's the thing
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: they glue to the whole time is that they no
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: one ever sees Bruce Wayne. They only see Batman, and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of the people who are like actually good
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: politicians actually call him off for this shit. So apparently,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: like in the show, it's supposed to be where he's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: like helping out the city, and like, here's the thing,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: this is just a little random drug crime war going
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: on under this under the city. It's nothing major to
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: get his attention, you know what I'm saying. Of course,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: why does the bat signal finally go in this guy
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: at the episode is because well, literally Sophia Gigante blew
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: up literally an entire fucking town under the sewer, and like, yeah,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that kind of gets the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: bat you know, the cole the per cup a little
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: bit like, hey, what the fuck was that? So that's
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: one of the theory. But yeah, because it makes sense,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: like yeah, Batman, that's that's the point that the Batman persona,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be where you think he's everywhere, which
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: is why you don't do shit. But this was a
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: show where and that thing I like about this too.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: This all didn't take place at got and majority of
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it did, but it took places in a lot of places.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I got because Gothi was like New York. It was
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: with this gigantic, gigantic metropolis where there's you know, you
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: can't just get to one place in a matter of
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: ment is it's gonna take you a good fucking minute.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: But this took place outside the city at the Falcone House,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Penguin's mass. She lived outside the city in the house
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: because you want to keep her away from everything and
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. And that's why I loved about it,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Like it wasn't even though this took place in Gotham
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and mainly took place in the in the area Wolled
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Crown Point, which is kind of like the shitty area
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: because of everything that happened, and even before the explosion
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: in the flood. They made every part or every setting
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: feel like it was very far from one another, which
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: was awesome. But yeah, that last scene with the fucking
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: tell me you proud of me and then the bad
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: thing go. I went from this is fucking weirdest shit too.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to run through a brick wall just because
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: someone shined a little light in the sky. It's my nightlight. Yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: but we have to wait two years. Oh god, why
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: did COVID in the fucking strike have to happen? Because yeah,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: this movie is supposed to come out next fall, because
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: next summer Drew shag Zillah James gunns DC, which is
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: completely simmarent from this. There's not gonna be any Superman
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: or bullshit into this. That's what they've said. Matt Reeves
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: has full control of this. Obviously, it's something he's got
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: to get approval with James on some stuff, like you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: like hey, we want to do this, Like yeah, He'll
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: probably be like, yeah, you're a fucking Academy Award nominated director, writer,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: go fucking do it. Because James Gun's a badass and
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: he's and he's smart too. But yeah, next summer is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: when James Guns DCU launches with Superman where they're having
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm not joking when I say a plethora of
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: other heroes, I mean a fucking video game roster full
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: of heroes in there. Because they're doing the whole and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: this is why I like it. What they're doing. Then,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: this is what they do with the Batman too, the
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: pants of Batman. Everyone and their mother. You don't have
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to see all the Batman movies. You don't have to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: see all the supermovies held you. You don't need to
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: see all the Spider Man movies. Everyone knows who the
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: fuck those three guys are. They know their backstory. They
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: all know Batman, Yeah, his parents got shot at Naley,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: al Serman, some alien linen a farming Kansas. Oh, Spider Man,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: some kid that get bit by Spider they did.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't know any of that. The few, shack Zilla,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the few, the proud like Gigante. God damn, but they're doing.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: That's what they're doing. That's what they're doing with the
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: new James Gun universe.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: It's like, look, everyone knows these superheroes, they're already established,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: they're already there. Go why because we don't need to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: do these anymore? Because everyone has already seen the five
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: supram movies beforehand. It's like, were you already know how
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: this ends? Right? And that's what they did with the
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Pants and Batman. It was it was like Batman Begins, which,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: by the way, than no movies are fantastic, the great
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the fantastic movies and great Gulogy might see the greatest.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the great anyway, but I say,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: but it's up there. It is up there. I will
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: say this. I think the Dolan trilogy right now is
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the best superhero trilogy, like the bail Batman's not aging,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna say that, Well why am I not? Anyway?
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: But classic, it's a classic.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: But the best thing about the Batman movie with Robert
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Panson was like it was Batman year two, so he's established,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: but a lot of people still don't know about him,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: but they know he's there, you know, And that's what
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: was so cool about it. It was like, okay, cool,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like it's essentially it was like,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: o hey, this would be Batman Begins had they done
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the sequel right after Baman Begins it stead of like
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: a couple years later with Dark the Dark Knight, which
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not just in the Dark Knight the greatest movies
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: ever made, good, you know what I mean. But that's
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. That's what James guys gonna do with
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: his universe, which is going to have an actual Batman,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: and that it's not gonna be Robert pan because they're saying,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: like the Robert pantson one is completely separate.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: It's going to be that's weird, but it's But here's the.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Thing, though, in this generation, you can do that m
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: because I mean, I mean, I don't. I mean, I'm
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: always up for more. I'm always down for more Batman,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I really am. But I think here's the thing with
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: how good James gun of a filmmaker he is, with
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: how good of a filmmaker mat reeves, is it's gonna
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: be so easy for them to make that difference. I
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I personally think that, Now, get me wrong, is it
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be weird? Like okay, you know, like going go
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and try and explain that to your father or my father, like, hey,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: here's why there's two Batman Like wait, wait, wait, didn't
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Batman just beat Penguin's ass in his last movie? Well? Yeah,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: but actually this Batman is this.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a different Batman.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It's a different Batman, but it's a cool It's an
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: easy conversation. Honestly, I really think it's not because, like,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be that hard to have. I mean,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: obviously it's a little bit harder for people to unexplain
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the whole fucking Sony Marvel and Martin Disney Marvel because
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: girls just thinking about it. But like, I think it'll
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: be a lot easier to explain that because I think
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to do such a good job with the movies,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: but also establishing, like here's why this Batman is this Batman.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That Batman is that Batman, and maybe that has something.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, there's been no there's been no confirmed
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: thing with the Batman James gunn one that's coming out.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: All we know it's gonna be an older Batman because
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: he's supposed to have a son in the movie. That's
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: the only thing that's been announced, and who knows what's
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: gonna come out. Speaking of sons, I can't believe we
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: were a minis if we didn't explain the They talk
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: about the one good quality in the show that being
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Vic when we kind of mentioned him. Yeah, so obviously,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: like you know, like we said, Vic was this kid
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: who lost his way because his family was killed, and
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Penguin took manipulate him because he's like he was easily
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: manipulated to be he was easy. It was pretty easy
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: to manipulate this kid who had nothing.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who knew nothing, who knew nothing.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And god, the whole show, you're thinking, like fuck, like
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: is in the Magan it was everyone's mind, is Vic
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: if is victing to make it out? Is he gonna
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: make it out alive? And they did such a good job.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: So many times are you thinking, no, this is it,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He's fucking dead, or he's just gonna get shot, or
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I mean you got he fucking he Actually he did.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Vic did kill a couple of people, and that's the thing.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Every time he killed someone, he genuinely was like felt guilty.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And again that just shows you how fucking disgusting and
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: evil Penguin really is, even though they're trying to make
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: you like him. Instead of like after Vic's first kill
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: where he shoots a guy in the neck actually kind
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: of like a bully childhood bully of his shoots him
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in the neck. Oz grabs him like this passionate like
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: father son like hug and what does he telling his son?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: It gets easier? Yeah, yeah, I kind of was like
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: what not like it'll be okay or like hey, I'm
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: proud of you you like I mean that would have
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: been a little more fucked up, but it's like, hey,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: you do we need to do to protect us? No,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: it gets easier, like a bitch. And then and then
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: before the disturbing mom scene with the dancing and all
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that ship, Vic and uh Panguner sitting on some random
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: bench by the by the Gotham River and Vic makes
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the unfortunate mistake of simply saying, Oz, you're like family,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and a veenguin just gives him a nice little shoulder
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: hug like get family is a weakness and fucking chokes him. Yeah.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: And I know I had text of you about the choking,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: like that was such a personal kill.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the choking, the choking and like and they
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: did such a they did it such a good way too.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: It's like he didn't just like choke with like he
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: like they were sitting on the bench, he like did
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: like the arm over of the shoulder, but wrapped his
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: wrapped his neck and then juices on their hand to
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: choke him. And they did a great job show where
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: it's like Vic is like on the ground trying to
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: fight for his life, but like because of the way
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: they were sitting, he is sitting. There's nothing he can
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: do about it, like and it was such a it's god,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: it sucks. And it's like like all all you're seeing
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: now on social media is just means of Batman beating
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: the ship penguin in the ark in games. That's all
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: he would wants out. That's the problem. Let's be the
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: problem of the next movie. Who are the main bad guys,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: because I don't think they kind of already said like
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Pang will be around for a couple more projects. Like
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: everyone's be like like you know, let's just say hypathic.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: It's like like Killer Crock or the Scarecrows, Like, now,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: fuck him, where's the penguin? Go beat his ass, like
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: go get a fifty nine punch combo in this bitch,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: because do it. We gotta do it for a boy, Vic.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Do it.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: You gotta do it for do it Vic. And it's
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: just and like and like again and here's the.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Thing, not even like the disturbing thing like with like
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the dancing with his girl and like the mo comments
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: the cheerry on top before, like that was showing him
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: he's a fucking psychotic human being. The cheery on top
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: of show you of how much of a piece of
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: shit he is. This kid from episode one is the
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: guy who has helped him get.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: To where he is, save his life a couple of times.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: A couple of times and if anything to he had
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: some very conversations with Vic and like also kind of
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: like expressing his emotions to Vic about like how much
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: he means to him too, he didn't say until like
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: these other sh that's really good. Also the bombing when
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Sophia bombed the fucking layer or yeah, drug lab of penguins,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: he didn't tell his crew. He fucking ran off and
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: fucking ran off bot him jumped in the same overflow.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Great that he killed his brothers in that fucking I
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: mean it was the first thing there, but like he
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: didn't tell his crewe. After he kills Vic, he grabs
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: his wallet, takes the cash out of it and puts
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: in his pocket and throws Vic's id in the river.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Well because he knows Nolan will be able to id him.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: He's a lost soul, right, but he also takes the cash.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: What do you have like a couple of twenty Okay,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: so what a fucking asshole. But at the same time
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: he's dead, like you know what I mean, Like, ugh,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I need I need it to be October twenty twenty six.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I was you know, you know Drew knows me too.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not a guy who you know I would say
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: don't don't don't rush a good time, you know what
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, like wait in here for a long time,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: here for a good time kind of thing. But like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: damn it, I need I need a time machine. I
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: need to go thirteen months or no, fuck no, twenty
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: three months from now.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to advance that far.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, neither do I. But I want to see
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: this fucking movie because that's and that's the thing that's
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: the best part about Like this is what and this
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: is what Marvel is able to do. Sometimes too, when
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: you make a good or hell, even Star Wars, when
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you make a good project, people want more. There are
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: certain projects where it's like there doesn't need to be seen,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: there doesn't need to be a sequel. There shouldn't be
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: a sequel, But when it's something that good, the reason
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: people want more is because they don't want the story
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: that they're so they become so enamored with, or they've
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: they they got so attached to they don't want it
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: to end. Now, obviously with this story, this is one
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: of the stories where it literally ends with no, there's
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: going to be a follow up in the Batman part two,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: but it's like we have to wait two years and
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: that's and this that's kind of sorry. That's the kind
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: of thing that Marvel has spoiled us with because while
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of ship isn't as connected as it used
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to be, we don't have to wait that long for shit. Yeah,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: like last year was an anomaly, was not last year's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: This year was an anomaly because the only thing that
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: came out for Marvel was Deadpool and Agatha not connected,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: not connected at.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: All came out or yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Again true but yeah, the crowd like not okay, but
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: like Marvel like I had all these has always had
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: all these scenes come out, and like you wouldn't and
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: like the quality is so good you wouldn't be waiting
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: much longer. But now you are, Like now That's why
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I think. That's why I think a lot of people
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: really not that. I not that Deadpool Wolveringe isn't a
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: great movie. I loved it. That's why I think it
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: got so much, even bigger praise than probably a lot
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: of people thought I was going to, is because it's like, oh,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Marvel hasn't put out a banger like this.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: In a long time.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and now people are wait being desperately for
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: more with the Captain American movie and the Thunderbolts movie,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: which apparently the Captain American movie. The portrayal looks great.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: But I've read a lot of things that saying, so
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I hopefully it's not true, but I can see it being. Yeah,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I can I can't too. But like again, it's one
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: of us things like hey, wait, obviously all film Intellivision
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: subject of wait till it comes out to make your
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: own opinion.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: But like.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: If you you know, at the end of the day,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you want to you want to if you want to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: have a project in the mc U that can get
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: as much praise as the Penguin did, and you don't
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: need to, uh, you know, break your or break your
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: code essentially and say fuck you don't have to do that.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Just get your problems. All your problems will be solved.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, we're about an hour here, so I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: want to show your time. I want to thank Shaggslill
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: for coming on, but can get out here. I want
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: to ask you what would be your final score for
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: this Penguin Slurp review from HBO.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I would put it an eight five to potentially
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: a nine. I thought it was really really well done. Again,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: you know, to revisit. The acting marvelous, the writing was great,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: the cinematic was beautiful. I think it was just overall
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: really well done. It did not feel like you were
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: in a superhero show. It just was a captivating show
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: that happened to be a superhero show.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Or it's not going to take place in a superhero landscape.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that speaks to a wider audience
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: where people who may not normally gravitate towards a show
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: like this or a genre like this would find enjoyment.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: And to me, I think that's that's really valuable. So
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: I'm happy with the eighty five. I think it could
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: stretch to nine.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: For me, there's a lot of ways I can go
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: with this. I'm oh, man, I'm just I'm gonna give
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: this ten Sophia Stiggs out of ten. I am not
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: joking when I say this. I went into this show thinking, okay,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued because right away it's like, it's like this,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: you already have this like uh how I put it?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Like how like clicking clack and I come on here
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and we talk about, like, look, it is very hard
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: for you to give us a Star Wars product and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: for us to not enjoy it even though we're banning
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: up to a minutes faults. Like I know, for example,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: you and I definitely did over text mess about Acolyte
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: and Renee and I did it as well about Accolte,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: although I definitely enjoyed a lot more than most people.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: But again, I can see where there's faults in it.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: This was a show I went into thinking, okay, I'm
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: going to I'm very intrigued to see how am I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: going to enjoy a show that right away takes place
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: in the Batman universe but there is no Batman, but
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: it is a show about one of his most heinous
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: villains or essentially rivals. Following up an all time favorite
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: movie of mine, and like, how are they going to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: play a show? Are you gonna do a show essentially
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: where it's like, look, this guy's a bad dude, but
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: we're going to how am we're gonna try to eight
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: episodes to make you not like him, but stay stick
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: with him where you want to see him win. Yeah,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the acting, the writing, the character development, the people, his
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: adversary he went up against. It's a show where each
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: week it made me want more and more and more.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: And by the end of it, well, of course, as
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I mentioned, there's a lot of times in the show
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: where you were like, Oswald, cable pot is a rotting
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: piece of shit. But despite that statement, you kept wanting
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: him to win and get essentially get become Key of
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: the Hill. But then just the last ten minutes alone,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: after eight episodes of making you want him to win
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: and succeed in ten minutes, final ten minutes, they did
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: such a good job of taking all of that emotions like, hey,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: you've waited for this, you got it, and now going,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: by the way, here's Oswald that your door saying thanks
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: for your support, by the way, fuck you, and then
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: and then they nailed it. They literally nailed it. They
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: literally home run Final Game seven, World Series, Bob of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the Ninth Grand Slam. They literally did that, and in
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: ten minutes they did where it's like you want him
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: to get his ass beat and they give you that
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: glimmer of hope just by shining, just by shining a
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: little light in the sky for two seconds. This show,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: to me, was amazing. It was perfect. I'm not really
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: a TV guy. I'm more of a movie guy. I'm
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: not afraid to admit that I've seen a Sopranos as
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: a phenomenal show. I've seen The Wire. It's an all
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: time show for me. I have seen some awesome shows.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Dreaking Bad it took me, like it took me forever,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: kind of like how you know Joe and Drew. I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: had to fucking like take the dagger and go when
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: you buyd a PC, motherfucker come on, like when you wait? Yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: that took og. Patron had did the exact same thing
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: with me for Breaking Bad, and I'm like, why did
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: I Why did I not do this earlier? You know
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean? But this was a show where it's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: like I am sad it's over because now it's like,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: what am I supposed to do with my Sundays. Now,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie actually you want to, I'm gonna
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: say it is on the air. This show made the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Madhouse of Maryland a little bit easier to deal with,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Not that much, but it made it easier because the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: next day, when I would meet Trevor Joe, We're sitting
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: in the couch all somber, all, Oh this sucks, man,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: What the fuck? All I got telling dree uh, hey, well,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: we're gonna watch Penguin. Thankfully we're having such a good time,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: but we get a chance to first thing I did
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Tuesday when I got off the plane watch Penguin. No,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: it took a shower because I just got an airplane.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: But then I watched Penguins. It was just such a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: good show. And like now I can't wait, and again
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I hope The good a season two. Does it make
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: sense for the Goodest season two? It's kind of hard.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: It's right now all like of the major players. I mean,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: you can do a thing where it's like maybe the politicians,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: a good politician going after him like it's it's it
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: will be a lot harder to do a season two.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: But with how good of the writing, the acting, wasn't
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: this show. It's like, I mean, either way we win
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: when we get their follow up, either way we win
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: because you know, Sophia's obviously can go after him. Obviously
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: they do the teas of Catwoman because they are teicle
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: his sisters.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I didn't, I didn't know that historically.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean just based off the movie because Falcone
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: is Selena's dad and he's also Sophia's dad, so therefore
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: they were half sisters. And again, here's the thing, because
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I'm such a Batman fanatic, I totally forgot about that
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: because they never talk about that. Because then at the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: end of the show they go they they little comment,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: oh hey, you got a letter from your half sister
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Selena Kyle, Like who is that. It's like, oh shit,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: that's right, they're fucking they have the same dad. Like
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: totally totally totally give me a crazy Batman Star Wars
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: fan always connected the dots memory and shift from like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: fucking five projects ago. I'm like, oh my god, I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: totally forgot about like the connection between Sophia and Selena.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Totally totally went past my head right over me. I
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: had no idea, and I'm like, oh shit, because now
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, obviously Sophia's got being the Batman too somehow,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and it's exciting to do.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, you have you took two projects. You've
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: killed a lot of people in both projects. But it's like, Okay,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: now it makes me look forward to this next product
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: because now they've taken these characters that they developed over
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: two projects, Like, how are you gonna have them all
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: interact with each other in the next film exactly? And
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: like build on it, build to the end game, yes,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: which they're going to with this bat again. What is
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: the end game for this Batman series?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows? And that's the best part because that was
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: that was one of my favorite parts about the first
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Batman movie. Okay, Batman's my favorite superhero. But what do
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: they show right at the end of the movie. Oh,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: by the way, Joker, he's already in jail. It's like, oh, great,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: sure can they do move? Maybe he breaks out one
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: hundred percent of course, but it's not gonna be like
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: ever the Batman franchise. It's like, all right, cool, hey, Drew,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you break glass for Joker? Okay, yeah, no, I have
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: nothing against any of the Jokers ever. Played even the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Jared Letta won less about that one the better, but
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I know that against that one. But it's like they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: they're not going to do the whole like all right,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Batman two, Batman one, let's go at for the Joker.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: It's like maybe they do that for three, but it's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: like they've done such a good job where it's like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you don't You're you're not waiting for the Joker. It's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: like it can easily just be like no Jokers in jail,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Batman beat his ass already. No, we're not gonna show
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: you how We're not going to. And it's it's one
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: of those things where it's like if they show us,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: like oh, you're going like the Joker, but like if
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: they don't show, it's like, wait, how did how did
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: he already get Joker? Come on? I want to see that.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, you don't, cause you're gonna bitch about it.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Also, Heath.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Also what Keith, Yeah, Heath, here's what I say about
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Heith let his Joker. That is my favorite interpretation the Joker,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: although the Jack nicholsone has a huge spot in my
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: heart because I was the first one I saw as
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: a kid. The Second Joker with Joaquin in Phoenix definitely
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: made he uh legacy of being the Joker even stronger.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: H See, I haven't seen the number two yet.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I've seen bits and pieces through just stuff online, and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I had friends I haven't seen it, so that's kind
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: of like, well, Chuck, why you're saying that. But like,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: I've seen bits and pieces and I've had friends of
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: mine who I trust according to my sources. That's a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: terrible am shifter. H tell me this. Tell me some
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: like some synopsis stuff, and just based on like the
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: way the second movie, the First Joker is awesome with Walking,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it's awesome, but the way the Second Joker went and
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: the way they ended it, it's just kind of like,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: why would you do that? Man? And again, like I said,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: it was honest and I stick it was a total
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: cash grap. Not that any every movie is a total
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: cash crap, but Joker too was a full was a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: legit total cash grap.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: That's that's sad to hear.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: It is sad, especially when you have talent like Walking,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga and all that shit. But yeah, and people
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: by the way, who have worked on the movie are
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: coming out sane. It was worst fucking project I've ever
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: worked on and shit like that.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh for real, yeah, yeah, okay, well that
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: that says a lot, not not what.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Keener Lady Goga, but like other people, like like one
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of a guy was on Joe Rogan he said that.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: I read another thing where another person said, oh, yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: that was the worst part I've ever worked on. Like
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: that's like it's a big budget I mean, say what
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: you want bout the end. That was a big budget
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: blockbuster and you're saying that, like what the you know
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: what I mean? So and again it is what it is.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: But I think, like for me like that the joker
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: to definitely solidify that he that is the joker. But
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: then again, when you get a talented performer like Barry
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Keegan who can also you know what I mean, Like
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: the guy's ciarly got talent, Like the guy's been now
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: for Cammy Awards, I think he can definitely do a
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: very good joker. The guys I'm also got Sabrina Carpenter
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: don't see anymore at any rate? Uh so, Drew, there's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a reason she says please please please, there's at any rate, Drew,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: is it in a point five probably into a nine.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: I give it ten bum six off of a sophoiena
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Ka Gante out of ten. Yeah, before we get out
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: of here. Yeah, really quick? Sorry, Yeah, awesome show. Top
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: five for me. I hope there's a season two.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: If it's a limited series, it would make total sense.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: But like, that's what it's listed on on the internet.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Is a.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's listened. It's listed that on the internet. But
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: I really quick, I guarantee you there's been murmers about
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: a season two if they know for sure, which I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: don't know how they're not. If they're nominated for an Emmy,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: they're gonna make another season because they want that chance
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: to or they want that chance to, Like you don't
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: get Enemys because it's like, Okay, there's the drama Series Emmy,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: which is usually the big one, or the there's here
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: is an Emmy for a limited series, and you can't
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: get both. So it's like which one, Well, you ain't
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: get both. I can't know, because drama is supposed to
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: be a multiple season show, like Succession is a multiple
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: season drama show. That's why they have the limited series one.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: So again, it's it's a tough it's a tough thing.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: It's you know what I mean, like you here, like
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: here's like the crazy thing too, Like I'm not I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: have to look at it. I'm not exactly sure. Why
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: did you know? For example, like the show The Bear? Yeah,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: did you know the Emmys it's one is not for
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: dramas for comedy what.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not comedic. I mean it has jokes, but
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: it's not it's what.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Look it up right now, so we're god if you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: look up the Bear. Let's see the Bear and the award.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna look it up. It's not aware award. Okay.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: The Bear has won the Outstanding Comedy Series What for
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: its third season. Yes, it was nominated for it in
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: its first season Outstanding Comedy Series.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: I was probably gonna watch it tonight, to be honest,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I just and.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I have yet to see The Bear. I want to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: see the because, like anything Jerry and Jeremy Allen White
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: is a is obviously a hit, but obviously with it
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: being in Chicago with close especially Chicago, but like with
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: close ties to me, obviously little known facts they film
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: and we're going to bear here starrying to keep it
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit waiting. They've one of the scenes and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I see it because again I remember a friend of
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: mine sent it to me. It's like, this is a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: place that you and your dad always talk about. So
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: they filmed and I got all the context. Obviously. They
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: filmed in a place called Mister Beef. It's a famous
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Italian beef joint in Chicago. There's a couple of them,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: but the real, the OG, the one everyone goes to,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: is a or Leans driva. It's called my dad and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I have been there an ether of times and my dad,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I'll say, it's like I've been to the other one too.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: They're they're very obviously the original OG one has that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: nostalgia factor on secial. In fact, they only take cash.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: The allegedly, and let me say this, allegedly they wanted
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: to film the scene they did in the show there,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: but they said no because allegedly they're like, look, we like,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna pay us this money, but we're open all
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: the time and we're not gonna We're not gonna fuck
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: our customers.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: So instead, allegedly they paid them to use their name
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: and ship like that or I haven't seen a show
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the likeness. And they made in a in a a
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: studio a legit replica of this restaurant. And by the way,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: this is not a restaurant. This is a you walk in,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you get the fuck out. It is a tiny little
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: beef joint. I've eaten in there. It's fantastic.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: They so they they might have they might have convinced
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: them because there are some scenes where they're in Chicago,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: like they're clearly in Chicago, like.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: They're out out next to in Chicago they do. Yeah.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they might have been able to actually get
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: something in agreement with that.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm just curious why. Like going back at the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Emmy talk again, you and I haven't seen I don't
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: know about it. I haven't seen the show. But it's like,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and the few friends of mine have seen the show,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I never heard of them talk about like how funny
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: it and stuff like that. Just like no, like it's
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: just it's a drama. Yeah, and it's one for outstanding comedies. Actually,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to pull this up.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I want to be honest, like I've actually I started
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: watching that, yeah, like in spring, but I've paced it
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: out because sometimes I'm it it like there's so much
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: stress and anxiety in the show. Yeah, that it bleeds
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: through to the audience. Like I'm for myself and I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: know several others close to me who like, we have
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: to take breaks from it because it triggers our own anxiety,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: right like, like, that's not a comedy.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: No, I'm trying to see, all right, forgive me, lated
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: and gentlemen, the Emmy website is not let me say,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: the lay of it is not great. I get. I
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: get what they're saying.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Oh you can, you can watch it and we can
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: do a slur prom it.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: No I see, Oh actually no, I see exact Oh
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: wait right now that I'm reading the website now, because
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I think it was just a thing for my thing.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, The Bear was nominated for thirty six Emmys
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: and at won twenty one. I'm just gonna give you
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: some of the things they won. And Okay, Outstanding Casting
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: for a Comedy Series, Cool, Outstanding Sound Mixing for a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Comedy or Drama Series. It's it's so not a comedy.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And that's the I have not heard one person go
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: like this show is hilarious, not.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Saying it can't be, but as some funny jokes.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, all right, so um, all right,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: here are some of the shows. Here are the shows
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: that the bar beat Ready, Avid Elementary? What, Yeah, I
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what Curby Your Enthusiasm that's
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: a comedy. Only Murders in the building, that's a comedy.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: What we Do in the Shadows? Great fucking show. That's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: a comedy. Yeah, this way? Or did it not?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Did not get Maybe it didn't win? Why are they're
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: saying it won?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: This show though?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Hold on, maybe it's now this website says Hacks.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Oh no, they didn't win it. They were nominated. Excuse me,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: they were nominated for Outstanding Comedy, So I'm sorry and gentlemen,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: but they were known for Outstanding Comedy Series. They lost
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: to a show called Hacks.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: But they're not a comedy, absolutely not.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: The show that won Best Drama Series Rifle. I mean,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I have yet to see see it. I don't know why,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: because I was the one I was like, you gonna
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: watch the show because it looks so good? Was show good? Oh?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: I liked it?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I like, yeah, and I've heard nothing but outstanding things.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: But it won. But here's the it won for Outstanding
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: uh Casting for Comedy Series one, Outstanding Sound Mixing for
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: a Comedy Series, Outstanding Costumes, Outstanding Writing. It was nominated,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: it won Best direct Okay, this is okay, this is
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: this is the one that makes all sense. You're ready
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: for this, so hacks Hacks won Best Comedy Series Emmy.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Right the Bear one Best Directing for a Comedy Series.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: As a director who's directing a drama? Yeah?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Something something? Goofy there?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh no, you're ready for this one. Here's here's
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: here's where I got can Face the Bear. The Bear
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: One or Bear was nominated for Best Comedy Series for Emmys.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: It was nominated. Would you like to guess what was it?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not just seeing him. Phenomenal person. Jeremy
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Allen White won the Emmy for Outstanding Lead Actor in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: a Comedy Series. He made up people like Matt Barry
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: for What We Do in the Shadows, Larry David, Steve Martin,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Martin short again, I haven't seen the show.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: But it's not a comedy.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Not a comedy. What the what the fuck?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Why like it's that's that's that's weird, right it is.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: It's very weird. I don't like it, I don't agree
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: with it, but I guess it.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Is, Oh my god. Also, uh they they also this
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: is confirmed, they also won the Outstanding Supporting Actor in
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: a Comedy Series. They also they also won the Supporting
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Actress in a Comedy Series. Yeah, they also won the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Best Guest Actor in a Comedy Series. Holy Ship, Guest
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Actress in a comedy I'm not joking my saying by
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: the best Actress in the comedy series. They won that
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Best Directing they want they won everything but best They
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: won everything but best writing and best uh best show.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: And again this is this is where this is where
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: it gets fucking weird. Obviously, Showgun and got second. Lad
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I know a little bit over the Showgun
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: won Best Drama Series. They broke all these records for uh,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: emmy and sh like that. But yeah, the Bear not
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: even dominated in Best drum So again, I'm really again
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: this makes me I watch some more to understand. Why
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: is this a quote unquote comedy series when every review,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: word of mouth from friends and failing in mind and everything,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: or hell, even every trailer or clip by sea does
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: not show anything making it a comedy. No, it's it's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: not unless one liners are that fucking good.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: They're they're not they're good, but they're not that good.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: It's not a comedy. It's not a comedy. I stand
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: by that, I.
• 1:22:36
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• 1:22:39
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  Speaker 1: Especially with all this stuff despite despite the decrease in awareness,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: if you will, and some rainforest stuff and all that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: that stuff is still unfortunately very much going on. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's like ten thousand acres a day, which is
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  Speaker 1: crazy or something like that. Oh, it's a lot. It's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a lot of fuck, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fucking trees, allegedly for that tame. I know it's
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  Speaker 1: it's something thousand acres like that, but please, if you
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  Speaker 1: could be so kind. Just kids are just looking at me.
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  Speaker 1: We really are appreciating, grateful as always. That is Shagzilla
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  Speaker 1: near the end today it's been too long. I am,
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  Speaker 1: I am your favorite bartman hosts. Whatever the hell you
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: want to call me Chuck and a little reminder for
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  Speaker 1: this week. Call you ma, take care, ma ma Hey,
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  Speaker 1: ma me love more hot pockets. Give me some hot pockets. Also,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: ain't my you mean a favorite? You're a red scoff.
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  Speaker 2: Bathroom, bathroom, my bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Take care