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Furness Show 8-12: Hugh Millen, new Sonics bid, Mariners lose again · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome in, I got a lot to get
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  Speaker 2: to today and just bear with me. Anders for a
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  Speaker 2: second kind of pivoting here on the fly a little bit. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, and I'll just tell you what's going on
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  Speaker 2: in the last twenty minutes, just chasing something down. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's start with the Lakers sale. This is gonna have
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  Speaker 2: this all has to do with Seattle in the NBA,
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  Speaker 2: all right, So we're just we're gonna go.
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  Speaker 3: All right, and I just got an email back, so
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  Speaker 3: I will.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So the Lakers sold to Josh Kushner and
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  Speaker 2: Bob Eiger for twelve point five billion dollars, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: a two billion dollar profit for uh for mister Walker.
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  Speaker 3: The old owner. Pretty good. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 3: layers to that.
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  Speaker 2: He's got some issues going on, apparently, whether it's trying
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  Speaker 2: to hide money or not. I don't know what he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know one of the things though, that's jumping out.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, people go, okay, wait a second, how's
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  Speaker 2: that affects Seattle? Does it affect Seattle at all?
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  Speaker 3: It does not.
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  Speaker 2: That price does not affect Seattle. And it's keep in
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  Speaker 2: mind we're talking about the Lakers, Lakers, Yankees, Cowboys. They're
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  Speaker 2: in different levels of all things sports, like it or not,
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  Speaker 2: love it or not. Dodgers in that same category, which
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  Speaker 2: of course he also has bigger, bigger brands, established brands,
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  Speaker 2: media rights just different. So in terms of what Seattle
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  Speaker 2: is looking at what Vegas might be looking at, it
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  Speaker 2: does affect Vegas in a sense because those two were
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  Speaker 2: thought to be involved potentially with Vegas. Maybe they found
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  Speaker 2: out that they were not going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one thing.
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  Speaker 2: And Tim Booth wrote a really good story I think
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  Speaker 2: just Tim Booth was a really great story on in
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  Speaker 2: the Seattle Times about that. In the meantime, in the
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  Speaker 2: last half hour, became aware of reached out confirmed with
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  Speaker 2: a couple different people that there is now a second
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  Speaker 2: well and again let me let me also reiterate one
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  Speaker 2: thing in the process of expansion. My my understanding is,
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  Speaker 2: and the funny thing is, you can't get confirmation because
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  Speaker 2: of what I'm going to tell you. My understanding is
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to formally submit a bid to the
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  Speaker 2: NBA and you're involved in that process for expansion, the
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  Speaker 2: NBA doesn't want that. This is not something they want
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  Speaker 2: negotiatd or talked about publicly. There's some NDAs involved in
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  Speaker 2: things like that. So if you really think about it,
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  Speaker 2: you haven't heard. You haven't heard fully in Vegas or
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  Speaker 2: the Colangelo's actually come out and say something specifically, Hey, we.
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  Speaker 3: Were right part of it. Yeah, same thing here in Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: We know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they've they've been very if you look at Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: how they've handled things with Samantha hall Away now with
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  Speaker 2: Milinda French Gates and just the One Roof group, they've
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  Speaker 2: never come out and really been really specific on their intents. Right,
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  Speaker 2: we know that they want to. Todd's talked about it,
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  Speaker 2: you know in kind of general terms.
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  Speaker 4: You're very careful actions too with the One Roof correct forming.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a company called Black Sun. It's out of
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  Speaker 2: New York. It's called black black Son Private Equity. Now
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  Speaker 2: I'm just getting this guy's on the fly, So bear
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  Speaker 2: with me for a second if you can, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to Mariners and everything else. But I think Sonics expansions,
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  Speaker 2: NBA expansion in Seattle is at the top of everyone's mind. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So black Son Private Equity investing in the architecture of tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to read what their front page of their
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  Speaker 2: website says and I'll go from there because I just
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  Speaker 2: got an email back from a person with black Son.
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  Speaker 2: Black Sun private Equity is creating an ecosystem at the
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  Speaker 2: intersection of sports, entertainment, media, technology, and the capital markets.
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  Speaker 2: Through discipline, capital allocation, strategical relationships, and long term partnerships,
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  Speaker 2: we help build companies, industries, and institutions that shape culture
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  Speaker 2: and define the world of tomorrow sports entertainment media. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm trying to find that's their pillars. Their founder,
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  Speaker 2: Anton Muhammad, the role of private equity and venture capital
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  Speaker 2: is not only to back innovation, but to back evolution.
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  Speaker 2: Investing what makes us more human is is his thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to Now, I'm just gonna look and see
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  Speaker 2: what we do, team insights, what we do. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they have any teams right now that they're truly
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  Speaker 2: involved with. I'm just kind of ai fun human longevity
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I just found out. I emailed this guy
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  Speaker 2: back because I heard his name from black Son.
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  Speaker 3: Hi Ian.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm happy to confirm that black Son is partnering
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  Speaker 2: with local tribes for the Seattle expansion.
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  Speaker 3: Bid.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have to call him in a break, but yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy to confirm that black Son is partnering with
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  Speaker 2: local tribes for the Seattle expansion bid. This is from
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  Speaker 2: Nick Rathod from black Son Private Equity. Now here's what
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you that I do know for a fact.
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  Speaker 2: It's not when they say local tribes, we are not
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  Speaker 2: talking about the Big Three and Iramal Queen Casino, Akpallup,
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  Speaker 2: the Muckle Shoot Tribe, Muckle Shoot Casino and still Qualm
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  Speaker 2: those are not them. One thing that's really interesting about
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  Speaker 2: this all three are major partners of the Seattle Crack
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  Speaker 2: in a one roof. Muckle Shoot has their logo on
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  Speaker 2: the crack in Jerseys. The other two are both partners,
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  Speaker 2: corporate partners to some level. Not the same as the
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  Speaker 2: Muckle Shoot. There's no exclusivity with the tribes, but they're
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  Speaker 2: all involved. They're all kind of on team one roof,
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  Speaker 2: so to speak. So I'll check with this guy in
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  Speaker 2: the break. But it's it's a it's an interesting speculating me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah something, And I'm just gonna read this on it
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  Speaker 2: because Greg greg Right Gregs is pretty sure private equity
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  Speaker 2: firms and people can't own more than thirty percent of
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  Speaker 2: an NBA franchise per league rules. Here's the thing. By
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  Speaker 2: all accounts, even the Big three, remember what it would
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  Speaker 2: cost eight billion. No, it's going to be and that's
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  Speaker 2: another thing. That sale we're still looking at six to
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  Speaker 2: seven billion. Okay, okay, So but let's just say you
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  Speaker 2: want to build your own building. Now we're talking ten
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  Speaker 2: to twelve billion, right then we're then then and then
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  Speaker 2: the question is where Okay, well, minors saying is the
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  Speaker 2: tribes that they're talking about don't necessarily have land. They're
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  Speaker 2: not like like the still Qualmi casino. Their land effectively
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  Speaker 2: is where the casino is, and they have some other
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  Speaker 2: things going on Muckleshoot. It's obvious the tribes right down
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  Speaker 2: there in Auburn, and same thing with the Pillpe tribe
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  Speaker 2: which owns the Animal Queen casino. These these tribes, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll try to confirm who they are, don't have that.
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  Speaker 2: So let's take the land part of it out, like
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  Speaker 2: like if you said, hey, the Emerald Queen Casino and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just using this as a hypotheticals is one of
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  Speaker 2: the tribes and they're interested in buying. First of all, again,
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  Speaker 2: the money we're talking about is far exceeds what some
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  Speaker 2: of these tribes would be able to just I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 2: we all joke about it, like there's a reason they
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  Speaker 2: build the hotels because they you know, when you go
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  Speaker 2: up and pull the slots or play game, play cards
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  Speaker 2: or what have you. But the truth of the matter is,
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  Speaker 2: like those hotels aren't a brand new arena, an NBA
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  Speaker 2: franchise or not, you know, seven six seven billion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: But if it was, for example, well hey you could
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  Speaker 2: let's put a let's put an arena down where they
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  Speaker 2: sell fireworks at the Muckle shoot on that big piece
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  Speaker 2: of land next to the next to the hotel in
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  Speaker 2: the casino. Be an absolute logistical nightmare. But it wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: That's just a hypothetical. Same thing with so Kwame or
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  Speaker 2: Emerald Queen right next to the Tekoma Doon whatever. Right, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: blow up the one in Fife, that's the old one
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  Speaker 2: in Fife and use that land. Good luck anyway, these tribes,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think have that. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 2: what the endgame is here. It's very strange. It's very
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  Speaker 2: strange to me. It's it feels like it's muddying the
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  Speaker 2: waters a little bit. And I'm not sure why someone
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  Speaker 2: would do that. I'm not sure looks you want to
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  Speaker 2: get an NBA franchise here. I get that we all
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  Speaker 2: want one here. There's really one owner ship group that
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  Speaker 2: seems to be the only one that makes sense because
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  Speaker 2: they also basically own and operate the building. But this
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  Speaker 2: new group is putting it out there. The fact they
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  Speaker 2: would put that out there is very strange to me,
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  Speaker 2: because again, this is not something the NBA likes. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions to be asked. I'll see
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  Speaker 2: what I can get in the break here in a
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  Speaker 2: couple of minutes, but I would just say put the
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  Speaker 2: brakes on it a little bit like when you hear
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  Speaker 2: tribes buying a team or part of a group, and
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  Speaker 2: a coalition of tribes. First of all, coalition tribes is
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  Speaker 2: really kind of interesting. I'm not sure how that would work. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you'd have to they would be part, and then
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  Speaker 2: the private equity group be part. Who else is a
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  Speaker 2: face of it? Who's being told This whole little chess
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  Speaker 2: game musical chairs in a sense, is being played right
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  Speaker 2: now with the NBA, because what's happening is two people
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  Speaker 2: what's just called a group, a group that was thought
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  Speaker 2: to be involved potentially with Vegas is no longer involved
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  Speaker 2: because now they bought the Lakers. We heard a couple
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago the Colangelos were involved with Vegas. They still
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  Speaker 2: may be, hell, they may be the leaders in the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows, would they have to build a building?
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps?
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  Speaker 2: Would that mean they'd have to cut a deal with
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  Speaker 2: fully in the tea mobile rantump. Maybe what we are
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  Speaker 2: only concerned with here in Seattle is any potential delays.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: We do believe twenty twenty eight is the target date.
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  Speaker 2: Adam Silver has said that we hope that this September,
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  Speaker 2: maybe by October November at the latest, by before the
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  Speaker 2: end of the year, we find out that yes, indeed,
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  Speaker 2: expansions coming here in twenty twenty eight. We don't need
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  Speaker 2: the waters being muddied at all by some private equity
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  Speaker 2: firm out of New York. It's just an odd thing
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  Speaker 2: to happen and also be announced and confirmed on the day,
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  Speaker 2: as Nick just confirmed it with me, this Nick Rathod
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  Speaker 2: person from Black Sun Private Equity. It's odd that it
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  Speaker 2: would be out there today when this sale of Lakers
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  Speaker 2: goes through. Just get the damn NBA here, please. But
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  Speaker 2: I think there's more questions and answers.
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  Speaker 4: Can I ask one question, yes, do we know for
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  Speaker 4: a fact that this is a separate situation than the
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  Speaker 4: One Roof group. They are not being maybe just a
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  Speaker 4: small part of it and all that stuff there is.
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  Speaker 3: They are not.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I just want to because I yeah, no, no, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they are not. It's One Roof is not bringing in
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  Speaker 2: a private equity group from New York. No, okay, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I think we could can We can probably connect some
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  Speaker 2: dots and say they brought Melinda French Gates on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and her portfolio that's close to thirty billion that they've
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  Speaker 2: never said that, Hey, she's here to buy the NBA team.
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  Speaker 2: Sure feels like it, though, Yeah, sure feels like it. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: crazy stuff, all right, Uh, we got a lot to
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  Speaker 2: get to today Hard Knocks. We've got Terry and Arnold
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  Speaker 2: to talk about Mariner's cal post game, everything that went
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  Speaker 2: on in that game last night. Hugh Millen is going
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  Speaker 2: to join us at one o'clock. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: a little because he's he's not allowed to do this
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  Speaker 2: when he's on Softy. Can't talk preseason football. We are
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  Speaker 2: a preseason football freeze, not free a friendly zone. Okay, sure,
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna do that because I think you listen,
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  Speaker 2: you're watching Hard Knocks. Yeah, you're a Seahawk fan. You
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  Speaker 2: want to watch there. And I'll tell you now, the
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  Speaker 2: preseason game on Saturday will be the highest rated television
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  Speaker 2: show in Seattle since Super Bowl, the Super Bowl. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it won't approach the Super Bowl numbers, but it will
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  Speaker 2: be the highest rate like World Cup maybe, Yeah, what
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  Speaker 2: did the World Cup draw here? I'd have to double
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  Speaker 2: check the number find that because I'd be curious. It
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  Speaker 2: will be interesting. Yeah, probably it's it's but you'll have
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  Speaker 2: it'll be very much comparable. So we'll talk about that
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  Speaker 2: Story gets stranger by the moments. We will get back
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  Speaker 2: to it at one forty five as I work through
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  Speaker 2: some things, sounds good. You're just joining us a group
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  Speaker 2: out of New York, but I'd say out of New York,
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  Speaker 2: they're kind of all over the place. Private equity firm,
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  Speaker 2: Black Sun Private Equity is partnering with some local tribes
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  Speaker 2: here in our state, our area, our region, and they
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  Speaker 2: are interested in submitting a bit. If I have not already,
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  Speaker 2: I don't get the release here in a second for
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  Speaker 2: an NBA expansion franchise in Seattle. There's a lot of layers.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you that I do not believe. They
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  Speaker 2: will not confirm who the tribes are, but I do
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  Speaker 2: not believe that any of the Big three. I can't
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  Speaker 2: speak on tu Leila, but it does not sound like
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  Speaker 2: the Pulla Muckleshoot or snow quality tribes are involved, which
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  Speaker 2: but there's a reason for that. I'll get to that
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. Okay, let's get to the Mariners real quick.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get back to that in a little while. As
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  Speaker 2: that story of Vall's NBA expansion, well, NBA expansion in
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  Speaker 2: Seattle is just at the I mean, I know, listen, Seahawks, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: Mariners for sure, everything else going on in our area
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  Speaker 2: college football starting soon. But we're you know, we were
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  Speaker 2: all waiting on pins and needles for an NBA expansion
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  Speaker 2: announcement to come. It feels as if it's a pretty
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  Speaker 2: clean situation in terms of who it would be that
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  Speaker 2: would be the one roof group. But now we may
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  Speaker 2: have another. And this is the first time we've truly
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  Speaker 2: heard of another group. I can tell you that I
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  Speaker 2: think they'd have to build their own building and we're wait,
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  Speaker 2: I'm waiting.
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  Speaker 3: On some stuff on that.
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  Speaker 2: It should be really interesting. Okay, lose four to one
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  Speaker 2: game one of the series last night.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, where do we start?
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  Speaker 2: Where do we well, let's start with this creative ways
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  Speaker 2: to lose a game? Yeah, And you know, honestly, one
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  Speaker 2: of the fun things about sports is the fact that
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  Speaker 2: in sports you you never know what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: and you truly don't. You don't know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 4: There's multiple ways to win, there's multiple ways to lose.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go back to telling you something yesterday and
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: revisiting the fact that I told you so. Did I
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: not tell you that Brian wo would be good?
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: You did? So?
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  Speaker 3: It's softy now he was good but not efficient?
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  Speaker 2: Not efficient and that hurt them, Yes, because if we
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  Speaker 2: want to do the little blame pie, we can for yesterday. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Brian Woo did not give up a run, right, he
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  Speaker 2: was he was fine, but he couldn't get out of
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  Speaker 2: he could couldn't get to the sixth inning, correct, And
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  Speaker 2: that's where they came in.
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  Speaker 3: That's where trouble started. Seventh inning. But yes, seventh thing y, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He threw what thirty pitches in the first inning, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and just was not efficient and they had to go
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  Speaker 2: to the bullpen and it costs them. Now we can
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  Speaker 2: debate the decisions all day long with Dan Wilson and
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  Speaker 2: the use of the bullpen, how he uses it, who's available,
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  Speaker 2: who's not, all those things. Let's just get down to
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  Speaker 2: the crux of it. They can't score runs. So, I
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  Speaker 2: mean one run on Sunday, one run yesterday. What they've
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  Speaker 2: I mean what four Now they've scored five runs in
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  Speaker 2: the last five games combined. They can't score, like, they
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  Speaker 2: just can't score runs.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not even just scoring. They can't hit.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like they're hitting a bunch and then they
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  Speaker 4: just can't hate them get them one big hit. No,
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  Speaker 4: they're just not even hitting even getting on base.
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  Speaker 3: And in the world of.
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  Speaker 2: Like hard hit balls and exit velo and all that.
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  Speaker 2: New York had a lot yesterday off WU that didn't
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  Speaker 2: cost him.
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  Speaker 3: He got lucky, and he got lucky. Stand not so much.
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  Speaker 2: So cal Rally comes out after the game and he
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  Speaker 2: speaks to the media that's assembled there. We're not going
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: to play the audio because it's just, honestly, it's bad audio.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Not in terms of what he said, but just the
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: well agility of it. Yeah, the problem is is you
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: can't hear it. It's in a hallway. But he took accountability,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: all right. So he took accountability and kind of showed
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: some leadership, which I know like Softy and others have
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: been saying, hey, you know, when when are we going
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: to hear from the leaders on this team. I'm going
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: to read you a couple of his quotes and we'll
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: respond to them. Courtesy of the Seattle Times, he says,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: it's not good. We're not playing well. This starts with me.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: I'm awful. I've got to find a way to be
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: better and to help bring the guys along. We just
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: got to play better. We're just playing very, very very
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: bad baseball in every factor of the game. We got
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: to pick it up from the energy standpoint of the execution.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: The little things of the game that help you win
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: baseball games. We're just not doing those things right now.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: That's what the first step to that would be. Roley
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: talked about a mindset. It's tough when things aren't going
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: your way.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You feel like everybody's against you, things aren't going your way,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: But you've got to have a good attitude. Remember he
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: went zero for four with the strikeout and a couple
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: of strikeouts. Strikeouts, and the game talks about approach anything else.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I think, to me, the money quotes were when he
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: talked about who's to blame, and it's something we've talked
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: about on this show a lot. He says, and I'm
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: going to read this verbatim. This is from cal Rawley,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the courtesy the Seattle Times quote. Ultimately, the players decide
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the outcomes of these games. Obviously Dan has the saying
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: who comes in games, and he writes the lineup, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: we understand that. But at the end of the day,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: those twenty six guys have to be ready to play
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: and rely on each other. That's where the performance comes in.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Dan's not out there playing Edgar isn't out there playing
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Woody Pete Woodworth is not out there pitching. It comes
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: down to the twenty six guys in the locker room.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: He also talked about Depoto and Hollander. We can't point fingers.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: We can't say it's Jerry's fault, Justice Falder, Dan's fault.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: We can't.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: It's not their fault. It's our fault. We're the ones
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that are underperforming, and we have to accept that. That's
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: the tough reality of it. As a leader on this team,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I feel responsible. I just have to do a better
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: job of getting ready to go and be prepared, bring
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: that edge and that readiness each night. Applaud cal Rawley
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: for that and agree with him one hundred percent. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: think we've been very consistent on this show. We've been
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: very consistent, even with the molliwop stuff and others. Manager
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: change aside, and I think you can have a couple
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of things be the same.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: One.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: You can believe that Dan Wilson's not a good enough
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: manager for this team. At the same time, what cal
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Rawley said is in my mind, I agree with him
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent because I've been saying that a lot,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people have those guys
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: haven't played well. Cal Raley has been not good, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: because he's been not good or as he said, awful,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: this team is underperforming. You're only as good as your
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: best players. In any sport, it just doesn't matter. We've
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: talked about this with the Seahawks. Can you imagine if
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold was having a cal Rawley type of year.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what that would look like in
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: terms of football, probably completing just over fifty percent of
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: his past I mean, it would be something touchdown, more interceptions.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: It would be Sam Howell like when he was Remember
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: when Sam Howel was in DC a couple of years
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: ago before he came to Seattle, and he had that
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: year was like almost even in terms of touchdowns and interceptions,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and to have more pass attempts than anybody, but none
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: of the numbers look good despite that. That's the kind
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of years. If Sam Donald had that kind of year
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: and JSN was on pace for a four hundred yard
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: four hundred yard receiving season, Cooper Cup about the same.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: You didn't have anybody near a thousand yards running the football.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Your defense was giving up twenty plus points a game.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: See It's funny because those that and then we probably
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: look at the coach exactly right, look at the coach.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: That's how it goes.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you say, well, look at
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: these decisions Sam Donald's making, and then you can look
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: at the player. I'll give you an example. We're going
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to see Sam Howell on Saturday. He's the number three
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: guy for the Cowboys. Right, Like, at some point the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: players aren't good enough or they're not playing well enough.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And you know, what we saw last night was just
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a microcosm of the season. You come out, your pitcher
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: gives you every chance. And let's remember this is an
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Yankee team. We talked about with Joe she And yesterday
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and he wrote about it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: They're not hitting well.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: They're not hitting well at all since Aaron Judge went out.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: They're a bottom third team in most statistical categories since
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Judge went out.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Very similar to the Mariners.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Very similar to the Mariners, like if you probably put
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: if you did, Like in football, we get the weekly
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: releases and they have the stats and you know rankings
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: and all that like total off like running offense rank,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: passing offense rank, total offense, storing yours, all that and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it's like you're six, five to four and the look
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the other team is seven, eight, twelve, whatever it is.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: If we looked at that and said, you know, batting average,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: on base percentage, runs per game ops, Mariners would be
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: like in the high twenty twenty nine, thirty, twenty eight,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: twenty seven. The Yankees would be in the same They're
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: not a good offensive team. No, that's they're not a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: good offensive team, the Yankees. And because they're not a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: good offensive team, that gives you a chance to win
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: with your pitching staff. Now here's a problem. The Yankees
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: pitching staff is really good. That's the other problem. Yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: and their bullpen right now is probably better. Would you agree?
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like their bullpen's ma it's deeper if nothing else. Yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So what's the problem with this team? It's exactly what
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we just said. It's it's the players. And we've been
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: saying all they could replace Dan Wilson. Does that mean
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, if they replace Dan Wilsons cal Raley,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden gonna turn it around.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: It's a tool to have that happen, right, If you
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: believe you have a talented roster that should be playing
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: much better than it is right now. And it's from
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: the top down right, That's where a managerial change can
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: get more out of that. If nothing else, even if
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: it isn't solely Dan will since fault to have a
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: different voice, have a different approach like and I mentioned
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: this last night in the postcast, Egar Martinez and Kevin
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Seitzer can't take can't be absolved of blame either. What
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: is this approach that they have? Where did everything go
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: from last year?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: That's that's the question, you know, I mean, And because
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: we've looked at things, the things like bat speed, yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you know, and things like that. Batspeed, I think is
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: always one to look at. And I'll will ask you
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: know this a little bit more tomorrow. And that's more
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: just in terms of if they're injured or not right
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and like have they you know, because I'll just I'll
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: go back in time. If you know Mariner fans that
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: are you know, old enough to remember the great John Olerude.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: He went from being a three hundred hitter to a
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: two to twenty hitter, like literally overnight. And what people
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: were saying is his bat speed, you know, just diminished.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: And it happens with age. What scares me about cal
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: He's going to be thirty years old in November.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Is this the beginning of a falloff? Or is this
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: just a bad sea That's what's scary to me. Baseball
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: is such a fickle sport.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes you.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And this is why they're gonna It's a side note here,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: a little tangent. This is why the CBA is such
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: a I mean, everyone wants to scream and holler, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: rightfully so about the salary cap.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: And I get that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's like the headline. Guys, one of the big things
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that baseball players want is the ability to become a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: free agent and make money sooner than later. These guys
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: aren't getting paid until they're late twenties and then by then.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing with baseball. If you're a baseball team,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: if you're the owners, I think you should want that, yes,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: because here's the thing you're then. Josh Naylor is a
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: great example. How old is Josh Nailer?
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Do you know?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Off top of your head? Twenty eight twenty nine?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe he's falling off right, God's so weird. I'm
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: sitting here twenty nine sixty one, falling apart and body
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: aches everything hurts, blah blah blah age and yeah, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: well I'll ask you how different do you feel at
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty nine then you did it twenty one,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: like Miles taking newborn away and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: but like could you do the same thing on a
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: soccer field right now?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Fully?
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: No?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: And I actually have tried multiple times, and I like
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: out of breath within two minutes, right, And it's crazy, man.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: That's why baseball player, like, that's why the owners like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: instead of giving up these you're paying guys now and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: what they've accomplished, and then it ends up being a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: bad contract, right, I hope, Like, hell, cow's not.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe it is a one off. What a weird one off?
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: This would be.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: He's mine blanked right now, I can tell you that.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And and the audio that we did listen to, which
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: is again it's it's not worth playing on the radio
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: for you because it's just it's it sounds like Charlie
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Brown's teacher.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It's just because of the background. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like the marriage didn't post it. We don't have a
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: reporter there obviously, so you're getting off, like you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: New York Beat guys that are there and everything else.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I heard a guy that was defeated, and maybe it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: like a last gasp. I'm gonna I'm gonna have a
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: mia colpa. I'm gonna come out and take it. I'm
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: gonna wear it, and maybe that'll take a burden off
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: of me. I won't feel that burden anymore. I've said
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: what I need to say, and I can go out
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and relax and play. I don't know, maybe that happens,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe he turns it around. That'd be a magical turnaround, though.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, then I'd ask myself, well, why didn't this
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: happen sooner?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: But last night, I mean, the only good news is
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the other two teams in the division lost. But my god,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: what are you eight games below five hundred.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Nown Yeah, we're not. We're past the point of caring
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: about that right now. We just we need to get
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: if we're hoping for this season still, which I'm losing
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: a lot of it as it goes on. You can't
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: be thinking about scoreboard watching right now. You've got to
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: play good baseball first before any of that happens.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: We brought this up yesterday.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring it up as a thought today
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: four nine four or five one, and then to come
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: a Dutch text line. The the feelings toward this baseball team,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: to me are very unique this year. They're very this
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: year centric. What I mean by that is this, they
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: like I just people, you know, friends of mine, people
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I talk to you. I don't know if the same
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Anders.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: People are legitimately just angry at the baseball team. It
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: feels as if very few true diehard Mariner fans baseball fans. Now,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: there's the fringe fan that gets the bobble ahead and
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the Jimothy card and all that. I get that, But
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: those you're listening to this station right now, you're you're
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a sports fan. That's that's your like your hobbyists. I'm
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a Mariner fan, I'm a Seahawk fan. I'm a Husky fan.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Whatever it might be. Those people, the people I'm speaking
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: to now, I got a couple group chats, not just
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the ones we're like, just some friends. People are like, well,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you know, it's four to one, they're turning it off
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: in the seventh inning. It's by then, it was six o'clock.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: We can watch hard knocks.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I'm out.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people can even find like, if
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: they were to turn it around, how would you even
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: think about this season? I don't even know if people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: can enjoy it anymore. It feels like the fun, the joy,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the excitement, the enthusiasm has been completely drained. Can you
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: have refill that tank? Is there any possible way to
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: refill that tank? Because up to this point, what two
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: thirds of the way through the season, a little bit more,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: actually three quarters of the waist season?
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Right, yep? Up to this point, I don't feel like
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: many people have enjoyed this baseball season. No, am I am? I?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Am I in four nine, four to five one? You
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: tell me if I'm wrong? Am I missing that?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I just don't think so. I don't even know what
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: they could do right now. Sure, if they make the playoffs,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: we feel better.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: But right now the Astros are sixty one and sixty right,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: they're basically five hundred, Right, the Mariners get to five
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: hundred and somehow win the division? Would you even like,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: how could you even feel good about that at that point? Well?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, great question. I I think I've told you this.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: I'm very consistent. Get to the playoffs and play I'm okay, yeah, yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't care when the listen all those years the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Seahawks were wildcard teams and people were like, oh it
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: sucks there a wildcard team.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: They're going run, you know what. They gut a chance.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That's all I asked for. But I think more importantly
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: just the attitude about this team. I don't know what
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: could change it. Ten game winning streak, yeah, I mean
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: think about this. You want ten game win streak, you're
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: two gas about five hundred.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're also two games up in the division.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: God, that's crazy.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: It is crazy that that's all it takes. But again,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: you've said this so much this what's the sign of
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: that coming?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: If that does happen, I think people will instantly jump
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: back on board. I really do you think we could
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: still enjoy it? Could just still salvage this season as
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: a fan and enjoy it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I guess that's the.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Only thing that It's not even just like, Okay, limp
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: into the playoffs, find a way to be optimistic and
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: beat a bunch of bad teams in September. It's if
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: you go on a true magical run where it looks
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: like this team is playing completely different baseball. Something as
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: awokened inside of them.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Just to play.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: There's like a totally different team than what we've seen
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: for the last three or four months. If that happens,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: then yes, I think people can absolutely still enjoy this
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: season and the outcome of it. But I again, I
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: don't see that happening. And also again I think the
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: easiest or not easiest, but the way that happens is
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: a change in management. Yes, like that would be the
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: thing to catalyze that. Maybe it won't, but we have
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: to You said it yesterday, leave every stone unturned, right,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: You have to try and do everything you can. We
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: were preached at this season that this twenty twenty sixth
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: season was one to be urgent with that we're trying
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: to win the World Series this year. We're not thinking
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: about years down the road. So if that's the case,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: you got to do something. You got to make a change.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: So what's the change are the manager? I mean, do
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: you think that solves it? I don't think it solves it,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: but at least you give some sort of jolt of
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: energy to this group, which is you could tell as
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: being said this same message over and over and over
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: and again, because we get the same message in postgame
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: press conferences over and over and over again. If nothing else,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: they would possibly wake up to the fact that the
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: way that they are playing just got a manager fired
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: and they need to change some things up.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: So let's go back to the pitching or the hitting
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: coaches for a second, because this is words used a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: ton when everyone says, why is he approach so different
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: or so bad? Yeah, what do you mean by that?
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: You could tell when they are facing a pitcher that
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: may not blow them away with stuff, they are extra aggressive,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: swinging super early in counts. I think Julio is a
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: great example of that. How often does he start O
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: two because he's swinging and everything, and then you're already
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: into defense mode as a hitter, right versus I know
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: this is going to trigger some people, but when when
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: was the whole control the zone stuff. That has not
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: been the case at all this year. They've just been
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: You could tell they're trying to hit their way out
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: of slumps. A bunch of these a bunch of these
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: players instead of letting the game come to you a
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: little bit. I know that's very generic and a kind
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: of overarching statement, but you that's how baseball works.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, do you think eighty
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: two and eighty gets you in the playoffs? Yes, Okay,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I think it does. So that's probably kind of the
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: will we say safe to say that's the minimum? Yeah, Yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: like eighty two wins. Eighty two wins gives you at
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: least a chance you'd have to go twenty six and sixteen.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Now do we believe they can go twenty six and sixteen?
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Probably not? But they I mean, yes they can, but
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: they won't. I mean, what sample size are you taking? No,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I keep holding
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: out hope that they're going to turn this thing around. Yeah,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: and I think, I mean, it just feels like it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: but they look and they feel defeated, don't they. Yeah,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: And I think last night was a great example of that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Like you're just watching and looking at that dugout and
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh my gosh, it's and you know, maybe
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: that's what maybe last gas by cal but you're you really,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: for all intents and purposes, you've got to go twenty
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: six and sixteen the rest of the way, and that's
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: a bare minimum. You lose tonight drops down to what
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: twenty six and fifteen, So you start looking. It's almost
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: like the NFL. We do this every year at the NFL.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: You can't get more than this many losses.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: You look at the losses on the right hand column.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Exactly what can you not get past? Well, you're running
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: out of losses to play with, Mariners.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Well that's actually let's just go through it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got about sixteen seventeen losses left to play with.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: That's what you have left to play with in this
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: month and next month. Yeah, that's what you got if
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the Astros or Rangers don't want to run themselves right. Well,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and again, they're both five hundred right now, so they're
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: eight games ahead of you in terms of just the pace.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: The pace, not in terms of standard, but in terms
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of the pace. All right, more income ninety three point
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: three KTERFM.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Now back to and furness on your home for the
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• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Alright, I'm talking matters. Oh yeah, yay, yay, all right,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: don't me to read the release. Oh you got it,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: got it? Black Sun Private Equity. Alright, I need to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I need to download it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I guess what are we going to talk about? Something positive?
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean this.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I mean people might think this is positive. I personally don't.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's mudding the waters. It feels very Fred
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Brown floating arena type thing. All right, So yeah, Adobe
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: has new tools. Did you know Adobe a new tools?
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Okay? This is from.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Black Sun Private Equity, Native World Sports and a coalition
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of strategic investors and regional leaders today announced the formation
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: of an ownership group and the submission of a former
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: proposal to return the Seattle SuperSonics to Washington State through
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: NBA expansion.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: The consortium was assembled around the single purpose restore one
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: of basketball's most iconic franchises, and doing so, established a
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: new model for team ownership. This is where's key, one
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: built on long term stewardship, meaningful tribal nation participation, and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a lasting commitment to the people of the Pacific Northwest.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: The group looks forward to working closely with the NBA,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: state and local officials, tribal nations, and regional stakeholders as
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the NBA evaluates expansion. Any award of a franchise remains
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: subject to the NBA's formal expansion process and approval by
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: its Board of Governors. Anton Mohammed is a founder and
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: chairman and CEO of black Son Private Equity. The super
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Sonics belong to Seattle. Our ambition is simply isn't simply
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: to bring a team back, to build a championship organization
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: worthy of the city, create lasting economic opportunity across the region,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: established a model of ownership.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: It talks about all the see all the history of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the Sonics, which we kind of know. A defining element
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: of the proposal is the opportunity for tribal nations to
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: participate subsistently in the franchise of development and long term
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: economic ecosystem. Okay, well, without telling the guy wouldn't confirm
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: who the tribes are, but he just says it right here.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Seattle bears the name of Chief Seattle, a leader of
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the Saquamish and Duwamish peoples. The consortium believes a franchise
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: representing this region should recognize the history through more than symbolism.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: The ownership model is being developed in consultation with participating
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: tribal nations.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: The goal creating doubl blah blah blah anders. I just don't. Okay,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: here we go, here's here's the money quote, here we go,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: here it is.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: The ownership group is also developing a vision for a
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: premier sports entertainment district, anchored by a state of the
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: art arena and designed as a year round regional destination.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Subject to site selection, public review, and community consultation. The
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: district could include team practice and performance facilities, hospitality, retail, dining,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: residential and office space, public gathering areas, parks, cultural institutions,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and entertainment venues. He wouldn't tell me the location. When
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I talked to Nick on the phone, who's their spokesman.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Nothing in here says where that that regional place would
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: be built. He did, okay, So I did talk to
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: their spokesman. He says, he says, you can't tell me
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the tribes. He just basically said, I'm the Suquamish Duwamish.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: That's who it is. Yeah, it's in the press. It's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: in the press release. I don't have to guess. He says,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: they have land. So that's the question is where's the land?
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: What land do they have? Those two tribes by the
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: best of my quick searches don't have readily available land
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. And then pipeline of investors. Here's what
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like about this. We all want the NBA
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to come back. We wanted to come back sooner than later.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: If you were to build an arena right now today,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: like shovel on the ground, you're still two years out.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: That's really pushing it to have it like it's not
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: going to happen because you have to have the arena,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the franchise awarded.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: And if you have the land, it's already approved, everything's
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: good to go. Environmental impact studies are done, all the things.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, they fast tracked Climate Pledge Arena from Key Arena,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: but it was an existing building that really didn't have
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: to You don't have to buy a new like change
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: anything in terms of the approvals.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: The same way, here's here's what I would just say this. Here,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: here's how I read this, and this is where the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: NBA probably is just going to give them a middle finger.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: First of all, they're talking about it publicly, which the
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: NBA does not like.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: So that was not like you mentioned something about having
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: to have an NBA. Yes, but they're having a press release.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: That's I'm telling you the NBA cannot be happy with that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: That Hell, you and I could submit a form of
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: a proposal. Yeah, let's put a press release and surstine forness, they.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Say we don't want it to be public. You guys
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: are out, but whatever. But let's just say, for argument's sake,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: all this is true. That's a we're looking at four
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: years minimum problem. Right, Yeah, maybe I'm god maybe three,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: but they're stuff doesn't happen without people knowing about it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: If there was a building that was going to be built.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: And a hole, let me read this again, subject to
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: site selection, public review, and community consultation. So they haven't
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: even selected a site. He says, they have LAMB, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: they haven't selected a site. The district could include team
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: pre subject to public review and community consultation. You know
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: how long that will take. I mean, we're dealing with
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: right now, the potential of losing the golf course. We
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: have the mayor at every year, drewis Glenn. There's people
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: want to develop out there, and it's they said three
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: to six years away for that to happen, For the
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: county to approve it, city county doesn't matter we're years away. Anyway,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see this. I just want to get it
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: out there, let people chew on it. I'm sure you'll
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: see more coming. But that's where we are right now.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: The waters are muddied. It feels, God, it feels I
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: don't even know if you remember. Do you remember the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: whole Fred Brown stuff. It's so when we were on
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the verge of losing the Sonics and they're talking about
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: what can we do build a building, all this stuff's
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: going on, some sketchy ass group came out and they said, hey,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: and Fred Brown was kind of their face, and we're
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna build a floating arena down on the waterfront.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It was gonna be down I think, pure more towards
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: where the ships are, which think about how laughable that
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: is now, since we couldn't build something on solid land.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But it was literally gonna be a floating arena.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: And they and poor Fred Brown, NBA champion, they put
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: him front and center.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: He was the face of it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: See these guys, So what they're telling me is that
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: they've got some people they're gonna put out, Like God,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: please don't do the following I'm just gonna I'm gonna
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: beg you do not do the following.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: If you're listening, don't do the following.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Do not have Gary and Sean, Spencer Hawes, whoever, any
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: local NBA people, the local NBA ties, former Sonics are
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: guys that play in the league.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: They're front.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You do not put those guys out there and putting
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: them make a face, make them the face of this thing,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: because I think it tarnished Fred's inage a lot for
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a long time. And I hope they don't do this
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: because this is such a long shot and all this
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: thing really, to me, is going to do probably is
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: maybe potentially delay what is the inevitable, and that's a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: team playing at Climate Plageria in twenty twenty eight. All right,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: we'll come back, Humil and joins us next.
• 42:21
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• 42:38
  Speaker 3: All Right, we don't have time for headlines.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: If we did, they're brought to by Frostburg Cruise like
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  Speaker 2: Chusehill MS Loose, Seahawks hard knocks. Last night Lakers sold
• 42:47
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• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Five billion R. I you news, what's that? And the
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: new news that you're yeah, there is a new god
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: too old for this stuff.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: There is a new group that has come forward that
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: has submitted a bid to the NBA to purchase an
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: NBA expansion franchise, Black Sun Private Equity, Native World Sports
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and Regional Partners and I it's a bid to bring
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the Seattle super Sonics home. We talked about the first
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: hour a couple of segments.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to tell you this.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: All it is, it appears to be. All it is
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: is a group mudding the waters. And there's many reasons
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: we already got through that. I want to move on
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: because I want to talk to my friend Humil, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: he's on with us right now. I have not talked
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to him since I saw him at camp a couple
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: weeks ago. We had Mike McDonald on and talked afterwards.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot going on, Hughe two things. One,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: First of all, how are you? I'm great, good to
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: be with you. I appreciate you jumping on. This is
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: what I this is what I call a preseason what
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: did I call it earlier? A preseason friendly show, pre
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: season football friendly show. Unlike my buddy who I just
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: saw a minute ago run around yelling and screaming about stuff.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: You might know who he is. He's on three to seven.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, this is this is a pre season football friend zone.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that in a second, because
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: people will watch it, people will be interested in the
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: stadium will be about I'm guessing about eighty five eighty
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: eighty five percent full at least, and that's how it
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: works here in Seattle.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: But I gotta get this. I know you're Mariners fan.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I if I can I throw something at yeah? Yeah, please?
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: We brought first hour.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard cal Rally was spoke
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: last night and and and did his thing kind of
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: a mea culprit's my fall.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: He said, don't blame Dan Wilson, don't blame don't blame management,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: don't blame Pete Woodward, the pitching coach, or Kevin Martine
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: or Kevin Seitzer or the you know, Edgar Martinez. Blah
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: blah blah. Dan Wilson's not to blame either, to me,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I think the blame pie is pretty big. There's a
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: slice for everybody along the way, players specifically not playing well.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But where do you fall Like you played for some
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: great coaches in the NFL, I mean, NFL is different
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: than baseball, where do you falling?
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: Dan Wilson, Well, first of all, a few things about
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: what cal Rawley said. In my opinion, this should not
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: move anybody because we don't learn anything from what cal
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: Rawly said last night. We already knew that cal Rawly
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: is an accountable guy, that he doesn't make excuses, that
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: he's the he's the captain, and for him to uh
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: to say, hey, look it's not on upper management, it's
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: on us and take accountability. Raise your hand if you're
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: surprised that cal Rawly said those things, like because because
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: the alternative would be what would you expect him to say?
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: Would you expect him to say, well, the manager needs
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: to prepare us better. Yeah, that that we haven't got
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: enough talent in our in our clubhouse. Would we expect
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: him to say that? No, that would create the headlines,
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: because that's what would shock you. So nothing that cal
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Rawly did. He look, I applaud him.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: He should do that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: It's in it completely in keeping with who he is
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: and who he should be and and and he doesn't,
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: you know, he doesn't get any cookies for what he did.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: As for Dan Wilson, Uh, I've given a lot of thought.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: I don't need to enumerate the differences between football and baseball.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: We all are aware of those. I you know, I
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: don't claim any expertise in baseball.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: I played it a lot as a kid, watched it
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: a lot as a kid, watch it a lot of
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: it as an adult.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's all just a fan my my, uh,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: my experience with football coaches.
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: And certainly it'd be like a Venn diagram, where there
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: are some things that are similar, some things that are not. Again,
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: we don't need to enumerate all of that, but I
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: would just say to you, what do how do we
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: assess pilots? If if I put you in a cockpit
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: of a plane, and you know, and then all of
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: a sudden you open your eyes and you know, a
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: quarter mile from you as a mountain, I suspect you
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: you grab that thing whatever it is, it looks like
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: a steering wheel, and you dank back right, you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: just try to avoid the mountain. But but that's about
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: all all speak for myself, that's about all I could do.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: If you put me in the seat and you give
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: me win sheer, you know, the kind that makes a
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: plane drop one thousand feet in a second or whatever
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: the calculus is, I'm gonna be totally clueless. And moreover,
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: we're gonna evaluate pilots based not on what they do
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: when everything is sunny, there's no turbulence, seventy five degrees,
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: no win, what have you?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: You go up, you go down.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: We don't evaluate pilots that way. We evaluate pilots when
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: things really go wrong. I mean, I mean Chesley Sully Sullenberger, right,
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: the guy that I was just gonna say, Sully, Captain
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Sully Sully. You know, he says, Nope, You're gonna lay
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: it down to the Hudson. You know about Nope, Nope,
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna lay it down the Hudson. Right, Like like
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: he faced an adverse situation, bunch of birds flying his
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: engine all of a sudden, It's like, how do I
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: handle this crisis? And so I would look at Dan
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Wilson in that vein. I mean I would say that
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: there there ought to be Two postulates that are not
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: in dispute. Dan Wilson being a good human being, being
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: a good guy, you know, as a college coach of
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: Minnesota said, he's the best human being he ever coached.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Like the idea that that Dan Wilson is anything less
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: than a stellar sterling, a you know, human being, personality
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: contributed to Mariner history, all of these things that is
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: not in dispute, Nor is it in dispute for the
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: most part, that it's not his fault. These guys aren't
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: hitting well. But there is a window. There is a
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: window in a crisis. What are you gonna do? Are
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: you creating an environment of the ten ways that a
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: manager can handle this crisis? And I'm calling it a crisis.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: It's a sport. It's certainly a Mariner crisis. It's not
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: a crisis in like two hundred and forty people are
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: going to die in a plane crash, But it's a
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Mariner crisis.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: What is he doing to navigate this thing?
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: And because that's how he's judged, Like, you're getting a
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: lot of turbulence, bro, you're getting you you're hitting win Sheer.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: How are you responding? I just don't feel like he's
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: making the right decisions. And I'll tell you, Uh, for
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: a guy who's watched baseball for fifty years, I sell them.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: I mean sell them. Ever, allow myself, whether it's the
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: Mariners or other team, to second guest pitching decisions, I
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: just don't do it. My mind doesn't go there. I
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: don't feel like I have the expertise to do that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: I just watch games and I say, well, there's a
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: manager that knows the matchups and all of the thing.
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: You know, he knows his players, he knows who's tired,
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: he knows the mentality, he knows the situation.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't get into second guesting managers.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Having said that, the.
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: Decisions that Dan Wilson makes with this pitchers, I think
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: of all the of all the fifty times in my
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: life that I've ever questioned a manager's pitching decision, and
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: that's not a lot if you've been watching baseball for
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: over fifty years.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Right, of the.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: Fifty that I've ever had in my entire life, like
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: forty five of them are from Dan Wilson. I'm doing exaggeration,
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: and I got hurt hyperbole in here, but but you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: I just like you know, the seventh inning last night.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: It's like it's almost it's almost like, are you Pete Rose,
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: are you.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Like betting on against your like what?
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Who would make that decision?
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: It's like, even if you're blind and you spun out
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: a wheel, the decisions, you know, a case, just randomly
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: would often come up to be the right decisions.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like he's He's like, what's the worst decision
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: I can make? And then make it.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know, it seems like that happens a lot.
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: I'm sure that's not true, but at an event that's
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a ramball. I apologize, I listen,
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: I think, but I would say I totally supported firing
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: him after the All Star Game. At this juncture, there's
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: a less of a case to be made. But I
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: just ask you, if you really care about the Mariners,
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: whatever the problem abilities, the Mariners can can have a
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: a good postseason. Whatever that means. Does that mean, uh,
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: you know, win at a playoff series? Does that mean
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: go to the World Series?
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Does that mean win it? Whatever you think that is.
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: Do you think in your heart, your heart, your intuition,
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: do you think you have a better chance keeping with
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: Wilson or a better chance making a change to whom
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: I don't even have an answer to that, And you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I've got a quick anecdote for the
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: psychology of how I was impressed about a coach changing
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: the uh the environment. You got a second for that
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: with Jimmy Johnson.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Uh, just let's do this. Let me because we're because
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I want to transition to football anyway.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's do this. Let's take because we can
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: take a break now and that gives us a full
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: segment next segment. You can give me that, and then
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I want to get into the preseason game on Saturday
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: if I can.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, rock and roll.
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: You know, Softie's happy that we trampled over the preseason
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: talk anyways, right now, now we're.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Going to get to that because I think, because I
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: think there are more than anything out what I want
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: to get to in the next segment, Hugh, is this.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I want to get to what like if you're a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Seahawks fan, what are the things that you should be watching?
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: Right? Like?
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Are you like, what are the we know? Like you
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: watch Hard Knocks. It's interesting with Hard Knocks this year
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: real quick, I can get to breaking no, but usually
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: you have like the two or three guys that they
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: follow that are like fringe guys, and you're rooting. Are
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: they going to get caught? Are they going to you
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: know that type of guy that we haven't seen that yet.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: You've seen all starters, right, all guys like all just
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the dudes, like the absolute dude so far. But there's
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of those guys in the fringe. And we
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: know how the NFL works every year, right that calm
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: October November, we're gonna be talking about them. Guys get hurt, right,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So I want to talk about some of those guys.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: A couple of position battles Terry and Arnold.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Is he needed hu mail? And I'll ask you that
• 52:56
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• 53:22
  Speaker 2: with me Saturday night at well, Saturday, late afternoon. I
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: guess five o'clock, Hugh, more than likely we'll see Joe
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Milton handing off to Jayden Blue or Jay Shawn Corbin,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: maybe Phil Maffa, and probably see a tackle made at
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: that time by Mike Morris or Brandon Peely, maybe Patrick O'Connell.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Those are all names. You're like, what, that's Dallas and
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Seattle folks coming up on Saturday at five o'clock. There
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: are things to watch for. There are a lot of
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: position battles.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: For both teams.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: We consider we're more concerned with Seattle obviously. Let me
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: start with what we saw last night on Hard Knocks.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: You if I could Terry and Arnold and on Monday,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I was really actually I wasn't surprised to see what
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: we saw in Hard Knocks last night based on Monday
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: after practice, and we're all standing there and our own
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Greg bell I started quizzing Mike McDonald his media availability
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: on Monday about Terry and Arnold and and McDonald was
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: like very forthright about usually you hear like, well, you know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: you know they kind of dodge stuff. He's like, yeah, no,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: we're looking at it. And all these kinds of things
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and had a good workout and we're waiting to see
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: what happens and all these things. Let me ask you
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: the question, do they need Terry and Arnold?
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: Well, you'd have to find need. It's not binary. It's
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: multiple shades of gray, right. I think on some level
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: I'll dance with you because I understand the intent of
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: the question. I don't I feel like I don't want
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: to say need, but I think he would be as
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: a player. I think there'd be, you know, somewhat of
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: a significant addition with him if you know he plays
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: to his potential and you've got you know, staff on
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: the Seahawks that coached him in Alabama. I think that
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: there's a view of the Seahawks depth chart where I
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: thought going to the Super Bowl that if I was
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: the Patriots, Uh, the one guy I would target on
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: the defense is Josh Job.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I said that.
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: I said that before the Super Bowl. Ye, and it's
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: a really good defense. And that's not an indictment on
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: Josh Job. I'm just saying, if if I was going
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: against I, if I had to find something resembled not
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: a pigeon, but just something of a slightly weak link
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: in the defense would be Josh job, now you lose,
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: you know, And that that was when Tarik Wollen was
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: on the field. So I do think that cornerback is
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: their least deep I guess that would be shallowest, the
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: shallowest position on the team offense or defense. And and
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: uh yeah, so I understand the desire to try and
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: upgrade the cornerback position. That is a completely different proposition
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: than saying that the juice is you know, worth the
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: squeeze on this.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: That's the question though, right because I mean, and I
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: want to be careful how I phrase this, hubet, but
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: like you know, they teams do their due diligence, right
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: and they they you know, you're not just like, yeah,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Detroit cut him boom right off the get go when
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: those eight charges came down. I think his hearing, he's
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: got a hearing tomorrow. If I'm not mistaken on those charges.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: He's maintained innocence. And and you know, then you then
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: you start digging into it. All these teams have their
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: own security teams, and most of those are really highly
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: experienced former law enforcement people that know how to do
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: such things. The NFL does the same thing, and and
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: and so forth. But yeah, I mean Witherspoon, Iggy Pritchett,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Dansby job. Uh you know, I mean we started looking
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: through the list, Shamar Jean Charles been here forever, right,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: you got a bunch of these guys. It feels like
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the drop off if you're trying to you're trying to
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: keep pace. I guess you right with the Rams, Like
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: if we're being honest, like and they're they're really good.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: And what's what's a what's a place on your roster
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: that you could upgrade? You're telling me you could probably
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: upgrade the quarterback position.
• 57:27
  Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, well, if you're going against Matthew Stafford, sure,
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't, you know, base the entire argument on that,
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: because I could see I could see it both ways.
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: If you told me that John Schneider when he is
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: driving to and from work, he can't get the rhymes
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: out of his mind, and he's like, hey, we gotta
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: somehow catching them, you know, somehow.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Not that he'd be give to you know, two.
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: Hoots about what Vegas said, but he's aware that the
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: Rams maybe have passed them in the eyes of most people,
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: and so maybe maybe that is a decision on the
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: other hand, you could convince me that it's really not
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: Ram dictated whatsoever. It's just him wanting the Seahawks to
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: always reach their maximum potential. And he might bristolfully say
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: that's a Ram decision. So I I think either passes
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: the sniff test for me.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the defense on Saturday, h we assume
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: and and you know he hasn't. He's basically said they're
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: not going to play many starters, if any at all.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: We'll get to the offense in a second. But you
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: know Williams Murphy, Breid Lawrence, Uh, you know, guys like that,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Ernest Jones, Drake Thomas, Nuosu. You know we just talked
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: about Witherspoon, Joel Bacatta Love. Those types of guys probably
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: aren't going to see a lot of time. So when
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Dallas has the football, where is where will Hugh Millen's
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: eyes be trained to just off the I mean, I
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: know you'll look at the tape later, but what like
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: the what's the when they when you sit down on
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Saturday and you're watching this thing and you're saying, Okay,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Dallas is on offense, there's Joe Milton at quarterback, and
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: and what are you watching.
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'm going to answer that question if I
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: could just for a second, apologies, but can I just
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: make one final thought on Terry and Ardold.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: So, look, I think all of us fans, we can
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: kind of see the conundrum that they're in. They need
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: a corner. Here's a guy, you know, a talented guy.
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: They're wrestling with the optics of it all. Like we
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: can all kind of get that. I think the one
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: one component that I think I can interject into it
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: is just my experience that we should pause for a
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: second and say, say that they are looking at football character,
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: perhaps distinguished from off the field character, whatever happened off
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: the field, if they can reconcile that legally, and you know, really,
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: the fifth, sixth, and fourteenth Amendments together comprise what we
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: call due process right, and the idea of the presumption
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: of innocence is important. Now we're not bound to that
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: in the court of public opinion. The Seahawks are not
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: bound to that with their personnel decisions. But I think
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: on some level one man's opinion mind, I think we should,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: you know, kind of have some some of those those
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: Fitth Amendment principles in our mind. Like, hey, the guy
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: is in this and until proven guilty, you know, maybe
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: it's it's a mistake there and and you know certainly
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: the Ravens thought that about ray Lewis and and and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: and there's other examples. So uh but but getting back
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: to the football character part of it, you know, uh,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: there are been, there have been many who are kind
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: of knuckleheads off the field. But if they if they're
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: great teammates, selfless teammates, practice hard, are burning competitors, do
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: things the right way. Those kind of of players, if
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: they're good and of course there's always a case of hey,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: what do you bring in as a player, But if
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: they're good and they have that that football character, a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: lot of clubs are willing to to try and manage
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: the off the field stuff because they recognize this impeccable
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: football character and that happens. You know, it's not just
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: always a bad you know, he did this knuckleheaded thing. Well,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: he's just going to be a drag h you know,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: to to what we're trying to accomplish from a cohesiveness.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: No, not necessarily. It could be.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: They could be related, but they're not necessarily related. Just
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: that that's a thought as far as the defense, I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: would say, you know, you just look in and you
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: say who is liable to contribute? I mean I would
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: expect that that you look at the defensive backs and uh,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: you know that particularly the young guys. You're looking closely
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: at Bud Clark. That might be the first guy that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: I'd be looking at.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Julian Neil.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: I think that secondary because as we just said, the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: secondary is a little bit of a week week link,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: or at least from a depth standpoint, I'm very curious
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: with Bud Clark. Uh, you know, is he going to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: be a back end guy more of a Code Bryant
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: replacement or now they started moving him down into the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: box after the beginning of training camp. And then that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: opens up the idea that in dime situations, and they
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: had thirty was either thirty six or thirty seven snaps
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: of dime in the Super Bowl is one of those
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: two that was the most in the season. Ian, so
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: that call it three dozen snaps of dime. And when
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: they do dime, they drop Witherspoon inside and so you
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: got that termed the overhang defenders, the guys that align
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: over the slot in two high structures, you got Emon
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: Warry on one side and Witherspoon on the other. Normally
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: in nicol Emon, Worry takes the field side and and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: Drake Thomas is into the boundary. Then when you go dime,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: then you've got em and Worry into the boundary and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: Witherspoon to the field, covering the greatest amount of space.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: So there's there's some responsibilities there if Bud Clark can
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: give you kind of what Witherspoon can give you inside
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: and that's that's down near the line of scrimmage. Uh,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: you could call it an outside linebacker. Certainly, it resembles
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: an outside linebacker in certain fronts and coverages. Then to me,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: wait a minute, that you're talking about a varsity contributor
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: in a personnel group that what did I just say
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: three dozen snaps in the Super Bowl? You know that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: that's that's what he wants, you know. So so that
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: is a real possibility, and and and and and so
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 6: I would say that's that's my uh my biggest question.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: You know, just the guys that the younger guys, you know.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: Devin Eastern, Yep, you know, I think they're gonna I
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: don't know if they're going to start, but but who
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: is the Nickel replace replacing? I mean I think it's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: uh twenty three helped me Anthony Bell. Yeah, so the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: Anthony Bell if he gets some I want to take
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: a long look at him, because you know, he might
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: be starting for the varsity against the Patriots are in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: a few wednesdays from now.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: When you look at Bud Clark, do you see Bud
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Clark as being a guy that can play down low
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: in the box.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: Like you said, I think Bud Clark can probably do
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: just about everything. And how do I know that Because
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: Mike McDonald wouldn't have interest in him if he couldn't
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: look look at look at this. Look at the safety
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: profile for the Seahawks. You've got Julian Love played corner
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: in college, Kobe Bryant Well not only played corner, won
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: the Thorpe Award as a corner.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: And then when the safety what what what is the what?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: What is the uh?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: The scouting report on Bud Clark for a safety thin
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: kind of smallish but great great uh uh you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: quickness and smooth transitions and can cover ground and uh
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: you know, great instincts and what have you hyper competitors,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: So so he just fits the profile. I mean, I
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: think there's there's people, you know, Ian, there's people in
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: that building that think that Bud Clark was Mike McDonald's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: number one favorite player on the draft board.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Stop hard stop, ye, like.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: Of all the players, right right. I'm not saying all
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: the second rounders that were available. I'm talking about all
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: the players. And so I want to, uh, I want
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: to see what what you know, you know, just glimpse
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: you know the nuances of what Mike McDonald loves about
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: Bud Clark. So you asked me what's possible for for
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: Bud Clark, I would say everything.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Let's side of the other side of the football humiling
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: with us on Saturday five o'clock Seahawks and the and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys. So you know, the starters on offense,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: we're not going to see dudes out there. We're gonna
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: We've seen Drew Locke a lot. So let me start
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: with the quarterback position for a second. If you want
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: to touch it on lock, feel free to do so.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Uh it's I'm you know, uh, guest choice here, analyst choice.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: But Jalen Milroe interested to see there? What are you
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: looking for there?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: I absolutely I'm interested in, Jalen Milroe. I mean, and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: by the way, as it pertains to preseason football, i'd
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: be Now, you're very in tuned to these numbers because
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: of of Q thirteen and what have you. So year
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: you would know better than me. But I would bet
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: a steak dinner on the spot that the Seahawks will
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  Speaker 6: outdraw the Mariners by a pretty substantial like the Seahawks
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: preseason games will outdraw the Mariners this and it really
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: won't be close.
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  Speaker 3: Brought right on that. We brought that up earlier.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: I said, listen, I'm the World Cup US World Cup
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: match here had a big number, but by and large,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: on a normal year, when you get to August, you'll
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: have AFC, NFC championship games and all that. Right, But
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: if you're ranking like the most watched television broadcasts before
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: September first, Super Bowl is always number one for a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: calendar year, and normally Seahawk preseason games one, two, and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: three if back in the day when there were four,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: are two, three, and four in the list.
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  Speaker 6: So there you go, Yes, Ncrop, Yeah, no, no, that's it,
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  Speaker 6: And that's that's actually consistent with just about every city
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: in the country as well. Yeah, yeah, you're you're I know,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: for this decade, the championship game's average forty six million,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: and the average regular season is eighteen million. So you know,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: they're they're just staggering numbers, right, particularly when you compare
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: it to all the other sports. But but so so there,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: there's that with the preseason games and and so it's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: it's become a watered down product. I mean, I hate
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: to preface it, you know, when I played, you know,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: but let's go, if we go back a generation or
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: two ago, the the starters would play the first half, right,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: and or at least now not not not in Game one,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: they play at least the first quarter, right, and then
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: give way some point in the second quarter, and then
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: they'd ramp it up at every game they play at
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: least a quarter. And then in the last preseason game,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: not the second to last, the last preseason game, they
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: would play a half plus a series into the.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Third quarters, like going into halftime coming out for the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: second half. Yeah yeah, and if you just you could
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: just graph it the the amount of plays that starters get.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: And it's just been a slow decline over forty years. Right,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: So that having been said, they're still intrig Jalen Milroe.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Here's what's interesting to me. If you created a.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: Pyramid like the John Wooden pyramid of I don't know
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: of organizational structure, whatever you called it. If you had
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: a pyramid style where there's the blocks that compose quarterbacking.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, there's a lot of things in there.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: You know, quick release, you know quick feet, what have
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: your arm strength, There's a lot of things where you're
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: looking and you say, yeah, if you have those in abundance,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: that's going to make you a better quarterback. But but
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: there's really only at the very top of the pyramid
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: the thing that is non negotiable that you can't You
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: cannot cite a quarterback who didn't have this all the
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: other things I can. I can cite you quarterbacks with big,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: long releases, you know Randall Cunningham. I could cite you
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks that didn't have quick feet. Uh, you know, Tom Brady,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: I could, I could even cite you. This sounds like,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 6: you know, it's gonna hurt your your football soul. But
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: but guys that weren't great leaders. Jay Cutler made a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: Pro Bowl, Joe Thaisman won a Super Bowl. I mean,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: you know, a lot of teammates reportedly couldn't stand that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: guy like so, but there's one thing you cannot show
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: me any quarterback who was successful who didn't process throw
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: it to the right guy at the right time with accuracy.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: And the pair and the paradox with Jaylen mro guys
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: is that if you and you know, I studied him
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: hard before the draft, and then I started studied him
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: even more after the draft. I've looked at every rep
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: of him at Alabama, and the pair is that Milroe
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  Speaker 6: gives you in spades all of the other things, the leadership,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: the strong arm, the quick feel like all the things
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  Speaker 6: that you want. But you it's not mandatory. You know,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: there's there's uh necessary conditions and sufficient conditions. The necessary
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: condition is throw it to the right guy at the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: right time with accuracy. And that's Those are the aspects
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: of him that are the worst on on his scouting report.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: All the other things that you want but don't need,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: he's great. The two things that you need non negotiable.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 6: That's the worst part of his game. So it's a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: great Petri dish about coaching and whether or not he
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: can improve from college to the pros. On the on
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: the most important aspects of quarterbacking. So we're gonna get
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 6: a lot of you know, we're gonna get three pretty
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: long looks at this guy and you no, no, no,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: just you know, watch it from that perspective for a second,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: because you're going to see all those things. You're going
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: to see the beautiful athletics. And by the way, he's
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 6: a hell of a leader.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: I had a long talk with his head coach, uh
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: and and his head coach raves about him as a leader,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: and so hu. You know, but but there again, how
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: is he throwing to the right guy? And is he
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: throwing at the right time. That's the difficulty of quarterbacking
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: is can you see the movie before it happens? I
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: can't say that enough. You can put it on a
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  Speaker 6: loop and repeat me ten times. If you want to
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  Speaker 6: know my opinion, you have to see the movie before
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: it happens. There's a lot of moving parts out there.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: And when you when your mind sees what the defense
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: looks and you say green light, go, I'm gonna throw
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: it out to that spot. You know, football players don't
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: throw footballs at one hundred miles an hour like baseball pitchers.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: Football players throw footballs at about fifty five miles an hour,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: which means the ball is on a relative scale floating,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: which defenders can move a lot to react to the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: ball right and you know the ball's only in the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: air for twenty yards for a pitcher, and it's going
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: one hundred miles an hour. You know, the ball can
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: be in there for thirty five yards and it's going
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: half the speed. So you have to be able to say,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: if I throw to that guy into that spot, all
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: of these players in his vicinity are gonna move a lot.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: What's their vertical leverage, what's their horizontal leverage, where's their hips?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: What's their personnel? How much have I studied? How much
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: can that guy ground? Can that guy cover? You have
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: to process is numerous factors in a hideously short amount
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: of time, far less than a second, far less than
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: a half of a second. And so that's why there's
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: only about fifteen guys on the planet out of thirty
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: eight million American men aged twenty two to thirty eight. Yeah,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: I just picked that. It does seem like the range
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: that you'd have quarterbacks. I know there's some outside of that,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: but there's thirty eight million Americans and there's less than
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: one in every two million.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: You've heard the say saying one in a million, there's
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: not even one.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: And two million that can play quarterback well at the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: NFL because of the things that I'm talking about right here,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: and and so Jalen Milroe, the biggest questions marks about
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: him coming out of Alabama are in the aspects that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: are most important for success in the position.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: In my opinion. All Right, this is a this is
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: kind of a.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Warm up for hardcore football, because this is how hardcore
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: football works in the fall with Hugh and I is
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: oftentimes I need more and uh, and I need one
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: more segment because I've got I've got to ask you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: on the offensive side. And we'll do this in the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: next segment because I don't want to cut you short here,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask you about the running back position.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: I know you had strong feelings about walker or not
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: being here, so we move on from walker or not
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: being here. But Hugh, there are some and I'll set
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: it up for next segment. But let's just say I
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: don't even TJ Harden, Dayless Jones and Justin Jones are
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: probably the guys carrying the football on Saturday. Huh, we'll
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: talk about that next.
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  Speaker 2: All right, a few more minutes with Hugh milling Here, Hugh,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: let's wrap up our preseason What to watch for talk
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: five o'clock Saturday against the Dallas Cowboys. So Kenneth Walker Walks,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: We know that he's gone. He's in Kansas City having
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: fights every day in practice. I exaggerate slately, but he
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: has had a few. The Seahawks draft Jadarian Price, thirty
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: second pick, final pick of the first round out of
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Never started the game in Notre Dame. You
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: and I were sitting next to each other when the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: draft was pick was made. You had questions right off
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: the get go. Wait was one of them. And now
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: we find out he's missed a lot of prac This
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: is the last basically in the last four or five days.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Because of that, there's probably zero chance he plays on
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Saturday against the Cowboys. Maybe wasn't going to play Anyway, Jaccarti,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: your Wright, who was a long shot to make the team,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: was probably number four in the depth chart, is also
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: seemingly out as well. And now Emmanuel Wilson is seemingly
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: banged up.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: He may not go.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: He hasn't practiced. God, you know that all of a
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: sudden huge Do you ever think I'd say the following
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: George Hollane might be in bubble wrap right now.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: For the Seahawks. I said that. I did say that.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: So we let's talk about the running back position.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: We could talk about Jadarian, right, we can talk about
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: the rest of him, But how concerned are you?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Pretty concerned? I think the world of Kenneth Walker. I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: think he was.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: A guy that was just special, you know, top half
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: a dozen in the league from talent. Evidently the chiefs
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: kind of agree with that proposition. And so until we
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: see Jada and Price who you know, because he wasn't
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: the starter with Jeremiah Love, you know, he hasn't had
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: a real rigorous workload, and you know, the body mass
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 6: index Kenneth Walker, I'm going combine just five nine to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: two eleven and uh and Price is five eleven two
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: oh three. So you can do the body mass index calculations.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: You know, you just Kenneth Walker just a thicker man.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: So my first impression that we discussed in eyeballing him
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: when they were in shorts the first few days in
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: camp is like, whoa, he's got skinny leg He's got
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: like wide receiver legs. So I am concerned about whether
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: or not he has the body mass index. I'll use
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: that term again to be able to take the hits
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: that you take when you're toting the rock in the NFL.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: As for the guys we're going to see, the only
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 6: one that intrigues me is Jaccarti, right a little bit.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: I think he's got a little bit of a chance
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: if he plays. You know, to me, Halani is you know,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: whatever argument can be made for Harlani, it's more on
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: the lines of his versatility. He's like, he's like a
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: utility infielder. He can he had not not only can
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: he but he has returned kickoffs. He can you know,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: he can run down on special teams, make tackles, he can,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: he can pass, block, and what have you. He is
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: literally the embodiment of a jack of all trades and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: master of note. And I know that sounds harsh. It
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: sounded harsh to my ears. I'm not here to dog
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: these guys, but we don't have much time. That's my analysis.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to get excited about George Alane.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Veaylas Jones is probably going to be he might
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: be a lead back, he's been. He's an ultimate tweeter,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: sometimes he's a receiver, sometimes he's a running back. And
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: the other guys they've picked up in the last couple
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: of weeks. I just mentioned Justin Jones and TJ.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Harden.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's somebody's got to carry the
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: ball in preseason game one, and it's just it's more
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: more than likely the guys carrying the ball in preseason
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: game one won't be on the fifty three man roster
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: more than likely, right, And that's hostly. I think that's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: a concern. I mean, I know it's only August twelfth,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: and it'll be August fourteenth or fifteenth, I guess when
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: the game happens. But I think that's worth noting. We
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: didn't tease this real quick. You you got a little
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: story you want to tell.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: Well, we teased it.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: We're talking about what the environment that a coach can create,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 6: you know, So I get traded to the I'm traded
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: to the Cowboys after they won the first Super Bowl
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: with Aikman in that in that in that string there.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: First preseason game we play the Vikings at home and
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: looked like crap. And Jimmy Johnson after preseason game number one,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: his redwood red neck was like a tomade.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: He was so furious he was screaming.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: And the next practice we had down in training camp,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: he ran a conditioning drill that, in my twenty five
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: years of playing football, was the most shocking drill I've
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: ever seen. He was furious, he was trying to instill,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: you know, don't rest on your laurels. It was like
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: the intensity was off the chain. The CBA just doesn't
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: allow it. Now, fast forward to the regular season. We
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: lose the opener on Monday Night football against the Redskins.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: We come home, lose a Super Bowl rematch at home
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: against Buffalo.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: We're oh and two. Now.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: The first meeting on the Monday after we're oh and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: two at it was like somber. It was like a
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: freaking funeral, Like everybody was on tent, like, well, if
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: he did that against the Vike after the Viking game.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: What's he gonna do now? Like like everybody was just
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: and and Jimmy Johnson walks in. Now he had he
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: had he was an industrial psychology major at Arkansas. I
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: don't know what the industrial tag does, but just work
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: with me. So he just comes in and he goes
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: and first words out of his mouth, he goes, Guy
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: walks into a bar.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: We're like, what.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: Hours later, it's last call, and I'm telling the story
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: exactly like he told it, basically word for word.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: It's last call. He's been hustling some broad for hours.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: He says.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: They were want to come home with me. She gets
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: a disgusted look on her face, and she goes, I'm
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: not going home with you.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: You're drunk.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: Guy looks at her and says, fine, but tomorrow I'll
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: be sober, but you'll still be ugly.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 7: And ever.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: The whole the whole team, the whole team is just
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: cracking up. Jimmy Johnson gets this huge looking on his face,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: smile on his face. He goes, listen, we're drunk. We
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: are drunk, but we're gonna get sober. And I'd rather
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: be drunk us than ugly Tampa Bay. And and that's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: exactly the team that he did. He said, he said,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: I'd rather be us than ugly like Tampa Bay and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: uh and and he and from there, he just says,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: let's go to your meetings at this big smile, everybody
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: whooped a hole and and so he had this sense
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: of like, whoah, you know, there's enough pressure on my team.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: These guys are the Dallas Cowboys defending SUPERAM World champions.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: Oh and two, there is enough coming down on him.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: I gotta change the environment massively. And so look, how
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: does that apply to Dan Wilson's intuition and instincts about
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: how he needs to create a change the environment. I
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: have no idea football is better different than baseball. You
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 6: get different personalities, all the things that are obvious. But
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: there's a story of a guy looking at, you know,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: what needs to happen with his team and know, by
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: the way, from that that joke on we were thirteen
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: and one, went to the playoffs and won the Super
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: Bowl convincingly for a back to back. So then there's
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: an example of Jimmy Johnson knowing his football team.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: Good stuff, And I'm not sure if that's the case
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: here with our guy. All right, all right, great stuff.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: I'll talk to him.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Because it is a preseason friendly zone. I will check
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: with you Monday after that preseason game.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: Sir, thanks A. That's a great here. Melon will take
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  Speaker 2: Lots going on in sports today. We'll start with the
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  Speaker 2: baseball team. They have game two of their series of
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: the Yankees coming up today that I think it's an
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  Speaker 2: ESPN game, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: I should point that out. It's not. Indeed, yes, in fact,
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  Speaker 3: and I think Tomorrow's is tomorrow TBS. This is something like.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got like And they also play Sunday Night
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: Baseball and a lot of yea, you know, weird when
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: you play the Yankees. Lots of maybe it's Sunday's Sunday's Astros. Yeah,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: maybe Sunday's a TBS game.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, they lost the Yankees for one game one of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: the series last night game too A s Nightprice Miller
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  Speaker 2: on the Mound four and a half back of the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Astros in the Al West four back of the Wildcard
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  Speaker 2: allowance a bid to bring the NBA back to Seattle
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  Speaker 3: Today, My takes are getting flamed on the text line
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: all yours are, Yeah, what was Okay, I won't read
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: the text yet, but what was? What was your take?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: They got in flamed that Dan Wilson should be fired
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: and it's his fault. Again, I never said it was
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: his fault. But it doesn't mean you can't do it.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Hugh Millon said it perfectly in my opinion. Yeah, like
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: the pilot analogy, Yep, it's a great, you know, description
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: of what's going on right now.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: With the Barriners. I think that's a good way to
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: put it.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know it, and I don't Here's the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: one thing that I would mention about that. God, I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: just hate Dan such a good dude, and I don't
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: And it's ruining his legacy. Yeah, I've and I've really
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: kind of stayed away from it. It's not too late. No,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: that's the thing. It's not too late.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Again, if you want to think, I don't even we
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: don't even know. But I mean, just ire if we're
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: guessing based on how things are going right now, if
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: you're just guessing, yes, it was gonna talk to Mary,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I'll get the seat X on a second. But if
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: you're just guessing on what it will take to get
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: in to the postseason. And when I say get in, I.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: Mean probably when your division, when your division, Because it
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: doesn't appear that you can get in in the wildcard now,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: I mean I guess you could, but.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: You could, you could.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: That's sevent teams for one spot.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm going to assume that I'm going to assume
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: that that this is going to get you in because
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: the third wildcard spot's a team that's five hundred and
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: that's Texas. Everybody else. Detroit's a game under five hundred
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: and a half game out. Minnesota's two games under, they're
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: one game out, Cleveland four games under, they're two out.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Toronto is five games under, they're two and a half out,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: as is Baltimore. And then Seattle is four out of
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: a wildcard spot and they're eight under five hundred. So
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: let's just assume eighty two wins will get you in.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: That puts you two games above five hundred. The Mariners
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: have to go twenty six and sixteen the rest of
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: the way to get to eighty two wins.
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  Speaker 3: Can they do it? Yes, yes they can, answers one
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: hundred percent. Yes they can. If I'm just asking, can
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: the answer? Can they? Yes? They can. When was service
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: fired August twenty second something like that, Yeah, I'll double
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: not too late, double check that date not too late.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, they didn't make the playoffs that
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: year of service got fired, but they that they were
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: giving it a go.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: They were, They absolutely were.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: They got back in it. And if one would argue,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: if you did it earlier than that, you might have
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: been able to. But the other thing, the other thing
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: that Hugh mentioned that I think is a great way
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: to frame it is, do you think the Mariners right
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: now for this season, would have a better chance to
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: have a successful season keeping Dan Wilson or by making
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: a change right now.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: I just I honestly, I can't to that because I
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: don't know who the change is. I just think any change,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: any change. Here's the thing. Willie came in, he was
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: known to the play. This is the one thing.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I think this tends to be forgotten. When Dan came in,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: he was a known commodity, popular guy. Yes, players knew him.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: A lot of them grew up around him in terms
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: of coming up through the organization. Catcher, so he was
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: cal friendly. He was pitcher friendly. So Dan Wilson was.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: I think you could make an argument Dan Wilson was
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: very unique for that role. Doesn't appear that there's anybody
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: in the organization that would have that same cache, because
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: what was Dan's job to come in and kind of
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: unite the clubhouse?
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: If you bring somebody in here, it's a totally different deal.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: You're bringing someone in here to shake up the clubhouse
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: and to fire them up. And I don't know. If
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know who that guy is, I just don't.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: The easy answer for me would be Alex Cora, a
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: Brave World Series champion manager.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's a hard sell that all I know.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: But he got fired and the team's been significantly better
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: since then. Yeah, so I think that's a hard sell
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: in a sense, it would be. I think the best
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: thing to do is you stay the course at this point.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Wait till the off season.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Wait till the off season. I mean, you're gonna listen,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have a long ass off season as it is.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna start on time. Wait till then. Did
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: you watch Hard Knocks?
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I did? What do you think it made me love
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: with the Seahawks even more? It's funny you say that,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: I said, My kids said the exact same thing. It's crazy,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: exact same.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: Thing, because I think what happened with the lob Era
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: was everything was out there, right. They didn't really hide
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: any secrets. There were no secrets there really weren't. That's
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: a great point. There were none.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: And I didn't really get that same vibe with this
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: current team.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: And you know, you don't really see a ton of
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: personality and press conferences and even micd up stuff here
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: and there.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: You know, the biggest personality saw last years Ernest Jones
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: defending Sam Dark exactly.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: But that was it. I got two words for you. Yeah,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: only one we can say, and that's off like you right. Yeah.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: But like the way Mike McDonald handle the Derek Hall situation,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: I loved the shadow boxing was so cool just to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: see like the little nuances and stuff like that. I
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: think what makes a good Hard Knocks episode is like,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: give me a feeling that I'm seeing something about the camaraderie,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: the chemistry, the group of players, and the culture that
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks have built.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: So let me just tell you a quick story because
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: you've you heard me tell this story before, right when
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Turney Camp started about how connected they were. Remember this
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: story when I said, a Seahawks staffer told me that
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: on the eve of the Super Bowl, this person was
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: walking into a meeting or doing something had not even
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: really football related, just whatever, and he saw two players,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: one a rookie wasn't a big part of who they
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: were last year, another one was a vested veteran and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: they were doing the shadow boxing thing in the hallway
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: outside of a conference room or something ballroom. Yeah, but
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: the interaction between these two guys, you could not have
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: had two guys more opposite in terms of stature background.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: One was white, one was black, like different races, different everything.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: And they were doing this and this guy said, I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: knew we're gonna win at that point because I see
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: this connected who we are and that's what we do.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: And it's funny because during and I said that, I
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: think I was the first day camp I talked about that,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I told that story and yeah, because the story was
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: told to me on the Saturday of camp. We didn't
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: do a show, and I told the story on the Monday.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm watching this thing last night and Mike McDonald
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: talks about the shadow boxing and how it just brings
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: guys together, that competition, but just the camaraderie. My son
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: was telling you last night. That's a big thing in
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: football locker rooms now, but not everybody has fun with it.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Not everybody does it. It's a big, big deal for
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: these guys, and it just shows doesn't matter who you are.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: It's almost like you know, rock papercisers on steroids, as
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: McDonald said, you just walk up to a guys, you
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: start doing it. You feel comfortable doing that, right, It's
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: just it's it's so I thought I thought that was
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: kind of a cool part of the.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: Thing reminded me a lot of when Pete Carroll about
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: the basketball hoop in the meeting room.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, great point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the kind of thing. Yeah,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: we're going to do this, and and away we go.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: The the Derek Hall stuff is fascinating, Yeah, because we
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: also knew Derek Hall from this. Do you remember the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Jared Reid episode on the on the sideline when Reid
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: went after him and and these guys and they got
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: into it because Hall took a horrible penalty. It was
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: two years ago, right, and and like and McDonald had
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: the line at the end after you know, he rips him,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: sends him to the sideline for a minute like he like,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: it's just it's this guy.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: Every day.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: It's going to be something with d Hall. And he said,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: that's the reason we love you is the reason you
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: drive us crazy. I'm paraphrasing you love Listen. Derek Hall's
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: compete level, his level of toughness.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: He's with the line, as Mike said, he's right on
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: the line.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a couple of those guys on your team.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: And the thing is is when they won it the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: first time, they had a lot of those guys, maybe
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: too many. Chris Clemens was really that guy to the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: point of being unlikable in a lot of ways, even
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: for teammates. Percy was probably that way, but you had
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: probably too many of those guys. You could get away
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: with it because she or any of those other guys
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: that were on that line, so to speak.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: But I think, like.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: Sharam was so small, I can't see sherm hit, you know,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: coming close to a quarterback.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: But I know, I know they did that stuff with Russ.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm watching with Keith for last night
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: and he says, like d Lineman just I knew he
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: would say that too.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: But then we watched a play in which I think
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: it was Nuosu had the same play where he kind
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: of went around, he got by cross and he just
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: kept going out on the way outside like he just
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: knew what to do. D Hall hasn't figured that out yet.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: He hasn't quite figured out that, But God, that's why
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: you want him on. You want Derek Hall on your
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: football team, abs Like, you want that dude on your team,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: and you want him to be there doing Derek Hall stuff,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: just not you know, because it's just the simple ast thing.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: How often have we seen quarterbacks hit their hand on
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: a helmet and then they're out for six weeks with
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: a broken thumb, like on a follow through.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: And I love how McDonald kind of embraces that side
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: of him and it's like, Hey, I'm not going to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: change who you are, but that doesn't mean I'm not
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: going to be a hard ass on you when you
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: scoll Just use.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Your head a little bit, right, Like, just give your
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: head a shake and stop it, like just stop it.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: But and then but then, how how he is able
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: afterwards to go from just tearing this guy apart and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: and Derek knows it's on TV, like he like, he
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: knows he's miked up and all these hell I think
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Derek Halls miked up that day. He was like and
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: but then McDonald that's just who he is. He's like
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: he's able to then diffuse it later and do that.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: I thought that was sensational. Yes, uh, the the was
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: the Richmond Riley Mills thing.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: Yep, that was cool. Yeah, sledgehammer holding.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, we saw Riley Mills on Monday.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: I put a put a couple of pictures on social
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: media when he's doing his post his press conference. Yeah,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: has never Like when he went up there, I'm like,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I don't have to tell you
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: if I wish I could bet on this thing right now,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: because because I don't know who wins it. But I
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: saw that cat's arms and I'm like, he ain't losing
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: many strength contests, no chance about Sorry, go ahead, but
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: I mean just I Riley Mills, Riley Mills is going
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: to make a name for himself this year.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: I truly do believe that. What else do you asked?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: How about the interaction between JSN and his prison Jackson.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: A little bit of strife between the two. Jasn's like, hey,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: what what do you mean? Like miscommunication stuff like that.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: But you also see that happens in every locker room.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: You see the competitor in him, like JSN is in
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean Chrismin said it. You like this
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: guy's like so understated he's and we've been talking about
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: that throughout camp. You watch how he goes about his business, right,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: how JSN does his thing, Like there is no look
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: at me, there is no diva, there's no you don't
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: throw it to me. I'm gonna pull an AJ Brown
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: and throw temper tantrum that that's not who this cat is.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: He just is.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: He is just a pro man.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: But he also has a compete level that's like, you
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: don't get to his level without having this compete level
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: that's uber high, and he has that. I mean, I
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: I think I find myself appreciating him more every day
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: at practice when I watch JSN play and then we're
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: getting to see him on screen and he's just you know,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: the personality is just mellow.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: He's just you know, it's just it's just mellow and
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: all that. I thought that was good. I thought it
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: was a great episode. I really did. I think.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: I I'm hoping Seahawk fans appreciate it too, because you know,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: for so long we've been waiting and hoping that this
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: would be you know, that our team would be on there.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: But the old rules of well, either first year head coach,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: if it's a first year head coach, can't do it,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: or if you had a playoff appearance right, you couldn't
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: do it right. And they, I mean the one year
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: they missed the playoffs in what twenty seventeen I think
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: it was, I was twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen one
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: tho two years when they was twenty twenty one. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one was Yeah, that was just that was
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: a disaster year. He was never going to buy into it.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: He just wasn't, which is weird because at USC everything
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: was open and here we go he got to the
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: NFL and man, stuff was shut down early.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe it wasn't a peat thing that he didn't want it. No,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: I think it was.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: I think it was everybody thing, you know. I think
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: you know mc McDonald embraced it. But those are the
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: ones that jumped out at me. The fact they're making
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Derek call this this crazy character.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: It's kind of fun.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but a lot of people saying, oh, he's getting
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of shots taken at him in the first
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: couple episodes.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: I don't see it that way.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think No, I think you're getting inside who
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: he is. Yeah, And I'm glad they told because he
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: didn't tell the story the first weekend. Glad they told
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: the story yesterday because we heard the story of the
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: day he was drafted. It's been talked about a bunch
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: of times since then time since then as well, that
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: you know when he when he was born, he was
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: not only premature, but he was like there is he
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: had a term for big time premie, right, like whatever
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: that term that he knew what the term was, and
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: he talked about showed how big he was. It's less
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: than two pounds. I mean, you just had a child.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Can you fathom that?
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: That scared the crap out of me. Man, anything like that.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: So like anytime your wife when she was pregnant and
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: wasn't too far along and feels pain. And the weird
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: thing is is no matter who you are, you feel
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: pains in your body all the time. Well, if you're pregnant,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: then it's it's magnified, and you know, for your for
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: your wife, I mean, I'm sure, and that's scary. I mean,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: it's been twenty almost twenty four years since my guy
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: was born, right, and so it's been a while since
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: my youngest. I remember the stress involved with that I
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: couldn't even fathom. And then, god, can you imagine you
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: have a two pound baby? I mean, my daughter spent
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: a week in the hospital after she was born, actually
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: came home for two days and went back for a
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: week for some stuff.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: And it was terrifying. That was two pounds is like wow,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: and the guy look at the guy.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: Now, seriously, you would never know the dude now, man
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: absolute machine out there.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: And they made a choice.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: They made a choice do we extend Derek call or
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: do we keep boy and mafe and extend him and
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: let Hall walk next year? It really kind of became
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: it was it was kind of a softy. You can
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: only have one, and that's what they did. And there's
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: a reason you see that. Yes, Boy and Mafey didn't
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: have that same motor. He didn't have that same he
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: didn't have the same power setting the edge things like that. Now,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: I think Boye has maybe a little more upside in
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: terms of pure pass rush moves. But Hall is such
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: a powerful dude, and with the roster they have, they
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: just they that's what they need.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: You know that we have so many of those guys
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: with this Mike McDonald team that I think that's what
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: they value now.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: He just drives the offensive line crazy. I can tell.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: It's like, dude, your son was probably saying that, Well.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: What he and any offensive lineman will tell you this.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: At any level when you're doing those types of drills
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: and the defense knows that it's a pass right, they
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: know they know they're doing two minute drill. Whatever it is,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a pass. Well, the bull rush
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: is that much easier because there's no threat of a
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: run run, Like you just got your ears pinned back
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: and away you go and there's nothing an offensive lineman
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: can do. I mean, Cross is really a good player,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: and you saw him get beat a lot, and you
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: saw Lucas got pushed back a couple of times because
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: they have momentum. And the point of the drill is
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: not for Derek call to prove that he can bowl
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: rush a guy when the guy when when everyone knows
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: it's a pass play. The point of the drill is
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: let the offense get some work done. And he was
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: having none of that. Again, I want that guy on
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: my team a day. I want that guy on my team.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to have a massive year. I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: think he's just gonna have a massive year. I'm so like,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: we just spent all that time talking with you about
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: the second ear and do they need Terry Arnold And
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's a whole different conversation. I will see
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh or John Harbaugh talked about him today he
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: visited the Giants and he said the same stuff McDonald did.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if Seattle's truly great. Says
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: they're the front of the line. I don't know if
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: they're the front of the line.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: I really don't. I you know, I think a lot of.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Teams want to pay him the minimum. Maybe somebody will
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: pay him little bit more if he gets exonerated.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: It's a big if.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: I just have I have some doubts. That's eight felony
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: charges are all now, they're all kind of bound together.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: But I have I have, I have my doubts in
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: that regard.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: But with a team that's as centric around culture as
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: we have seen and in hu months at it right
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: that there can be guys that do some weird stuff off.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: The field that he brings up Michael Irvan all the time.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Fantastic Michael.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: He talks about Michael Ivan maybe being the best teammate
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: ever had. And yeah, we all know Michael had some
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: issues off the field, sure you know, and and did
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: his thing. But I mean he's a hall of famer,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: hall of fame teammate, hall of famer in the locker room,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: hall of fame practice player was was was Michael Irvin.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but so we talk about the secondary being
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: a concern. I'm telling you guys this, I just look
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: at it again running this the running back room. I
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: think that'll that's health related right now. I mean, we
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: don't know if Jadarian Price can be a good NFL player.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna trust I'm gonna trust in them as scouts.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: They took him in the first round with the three like,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna trust that they knew what they were doing
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: with the skill. We just don't know if he can
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: stay healthy. He's never had a burden of a load
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: like he's gonna have in the NFL. Hallane's like Houston,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: He's a He's a utility player.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: And then I thought Jaccarti a Wright was going to
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: be a dude and at least pushed in the preseason.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: He's not.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: He can't eve get on the field right now with injuries.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: And Emmanuel Wilson is the same way. So yeah, I'm
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: a little concerned there. The place I'm not concerned is upfront.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Man Williams, Murphy, Reed, Lawrence Hall, Peelee Mills, single Toon
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: is going to be a dude. I think Devin Eastern
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: could make this team.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: Up front. They're going to be just fine on the defense.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: Also, slight underrated part of yesterday's episode was the Leonard
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: Williams part of it.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: Six Gardner what He's also a guy that when he
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: came here, he's a dude.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: There were so many people that criticized that trade. So
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: many people that criticize that trade.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: He's just a dude.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: John Schneider knew what he's doing. I'm trading for this guy.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: If we get to the playoffs, great, this is a
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: long term deal that I'm doing right now. And they
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: picked him up and he has been basically a pillar.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: That's the first zone that has been really the turning
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: point of this defense. You know, I've told this story too.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: You know who was a big part of that was
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: was Jared Reid. He came in right away, Jared Reid
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: took him in, Leonard Williams, Jaren Reied and I told
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: the story. I think I forget where we were was
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: someplace back east and might have been Williams's first game.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: And after the game, we're trying to do stuff for
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Fox thirteen and we're in a time crunch and Jared
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna get you in a second. I
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: got to do this, and he looks over Leonard Williams goes,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: he says, I'm like, hey, I talked to him, and
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: Leonard was kind of a little like news guy from
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: New York, right right right, New York didn't trust the
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: media so much. Letter goes, No, he's gonna talk to him.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: I talked to Leonard Williams like just cool as hell
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: and like he knew Jared Reid ran that locker room.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Leonard Williams is starting to run that locker room now.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: He's kind of taking that mantle high character guy. I
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: love the dude. All right, we'll take a break, come back.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: We'll check your text next.
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  Speaker 6: Ian, I don't want to be this guy, but too little,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: too late. On Cow he waits for a five game
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: losing streak when they're the lowest point of the year,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: they're eight games under, and now he wants to come
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: out like, I don't know, man, I don't know.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: Make me believe something, Make me believe that it's going
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 6: to change something.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's too little, too late on Cow.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: I still love Cow, but it's just I don't know.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: I think it's time to get rid of the manager.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 7: Look at the Red Sox.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: The Red Sox got rid of Kora and they have
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: turned it around, and they were different teams.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: Something has to be done.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 7: And as far as your.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: Question, if I could be excited if the Mariners came
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: back and beat the Astros, that would be hell yeah,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: because even if we suck, we don't go as far
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: as we went.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: We got rid of the Astros, and that's all I
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: would be happy about. Love that. I love that.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: It's good, great couple of great ones. Well with col saying,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, he probably just you probably can't win.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: I I'm glad he came out and sad what he did.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he came out and stood up in front
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: of every you know, I thought it was actually I'm
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: gonna take a step back. I'm glad he did it.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't like the timing. There's there's sort of one
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: real writer reporter on the road that's not team related,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: and that's I think Divish is on the road this trip. Yes,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: In fact, Daniel Kramer from MLB dot com isn't even
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: on this trip. He's got somebody else is covering it
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: for MLB dot com. He's taking this trip off. So like,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get asked any questions that matter
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: outside of if Ryan does.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: And he's the one who prompted the Dane Wilson's getting
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: a lot of the heat.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Right and so so credit Ryan for that for sure,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: for sure, absolutely give give differ trade and rightfully so.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: But like if you're going to do that, do that
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: when everybody else is there, Like do a home game?
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you do it Sunday? Why did you wait
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: till yesterday?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: What changed? Nothing? Same?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: But I'm glad he did it. I've said I'll ask
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: off to you. Can they go twenty six and sixteen?
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: That's probably what they have to do. They probably have
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: to go ten games above five hundred to get to
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: Can they do that? Uh? Don't we go text or talkbacks.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: I'm listening to the talkback right now. I'll go through
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: some texts Yeah, dude, Joe Madden is out there for
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: the taking.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 8: MM.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: That's my problem with the whole firing dand thing is
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: that your you're recycling guys, and maybe there's a really
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: good manager out there.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: Really i'd want Alex Cora. Yeah, I know what we
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: talked about. He just got fired by Boston and look
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: what they're doing. But again, this is a I don't
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: think Boston thought it was an Alex Cora issue as
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: to why they weren't playing well. They needed to kick
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: up the backside for those players, and when you fire
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: a manager, that's what happens, right Yep. So he's obviously
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: won a World Series. How's the experience. Yes, yes, some
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: Seattle ties with the Joey Cors situations.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Going back to our Sonic well, we'll get to tell
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: me when you're ready for the talkbacks. I'll read a
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: couple of these talking about the Sonic stuff earlier. The
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: new story that came out today somebody two six it's
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: the Jacama Tribe. The team's going to play in the
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: Sun Dome. That's awesome. Hey, the Sun Dome used to
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: be the home of a CBA team way back when
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: the day the Sun Kings Yakama sun Kings. Somebody's mad
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: and I'll read this and I'll respond to fight three.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: It seems it's so disrespectful of people in their history
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: to refer to a tribe by their casino. I agree somewhat,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: but we know of the Muckleshoot tribe. Why because of
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: the biggest and the best in the Northwest, you know,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: still calling see How's closest casino and hotel, snocasino dot com,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: equc and well Queen Casino pe all up tribe.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: We unfortunately they're kind of attached at the hip. Is
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: it disrespectful? I don't know.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: They're making them some good money off of it, so
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: hopefully it's not disrespectful hearing another casinos or sorry, another
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: tribes being brought up right now.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: We'll see what comes out of that. Maybe up north somewhere.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I got two more talkbacks Fireway. Hey Dan Wilson here.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 7: You know, a tough game last night, tough break. You know,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 7: you know, we fought hard though, you know, you know,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 7: you know, and the analytics told me to say that.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 7: You know, analytics told me to speak right now, you know,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 7: you know, and analytics will continue to tell me to
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 7: speak you know, you know Rutger came in there, he
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 7: fought hard, you know, you know, you know, you know,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 7: you know, you know you.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: Know, and he'll continue to fight hard. You know.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: The analytics is a big thing, and Rutgers era is
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: over two touchdowns in close games.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: Two touchdowns. Pretty good in the Seahawks, you know, you know.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: So we'll go back out their day. Rutger will be
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: pitching tonight. Thanks, fight hard.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: You know you know.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: They did say tough one about eight times last night too.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: Did he say it again?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: I can't listen to multiple times. The game is over
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: at West hard knock, so yell, welmar Yeah.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: I and Andrews James here, Hi, James. The Mariners have Miller, Kirby,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: Gilbert Woo, and Handcott all right handed pictures our starters.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: Remove one of them, put them in the bullpen. Bring
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: up Kate Andrewson, so of left hander, so that the
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: opposing team won't just be dead set against right handed pitching.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: Something's kind of change, what can occur.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: That's an underrated aspect. I think you only have right
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: handed starters.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay for those who know kay Leanderson is leftiest.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: So yes, is well, and we know how this team's
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: done against left handed hitters or pitchers.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah for the most part, right, Yeah, exactly H four five.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: I love this text. If Anders was fired, with the
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: show be better? Or do twenty six year olds know everything?
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Well, Eve would have to run his on board, So
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Here's the thing, the show
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: would not be better. I'll stand by my guy.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: Also in twenty nine. But yeah, who I get the
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: I get the point. Yeah, listen, I understand what people
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: are like. There's got people mad at you on the
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: text line. Why they Matt you I don't care because
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: you said get rid of Dan Wilson. Yeah, sure, I
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: guess you guys are the minority right now. I I
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of people that like, hey, that
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: would appease people if Dan Wilson got fired. Yes, you
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: don't make You don't fire somebody to a piece of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: fan base. You fire somebody to get better. But it
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: just doesn't feel like that's going to happen, right. It
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: just doesn't feel that's that that's going to take.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: One to have written the story saying that this is
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: the reasons why Dan Wilson probably won't be fired this year,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: Like what again, it would have happened already, right.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, I should have asked, is two pi three highlight
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: of hard knocks last night? The spin rate of Sam
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: spirals that love the super slow motion. I'm sure he
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: was watching with a sandwich in the heater watching that
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Eric in Kitsap County. I didn't get into that because
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: so if you used to work for a football company
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: that manufactured footballs, and I'm telling you right now, nobody
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: that's in media anywhere can speak on that more than him.
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  Speaker 3: But he has talked about it a lot.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: This is something we've discussed, actually, and there's something to
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: it spin rate and everything else. The other thing is
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: like a wet ball, and which can increase the weight
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: by a if you're listening to my apologies, like an
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: ounce or two ounces.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: Affects that massively.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: So I found that interesting having had that conversation with
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: you before, like watching that and stuff and just how
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: the spin rate works and all that. I didn't realize
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: Sam had such a high spin rate compared to other guys.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: Even in the NFL. It is funny how that's being
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: in the NFL.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: Now, that was the whole thing in baseball for a while,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: all the revolutions, and that's why Bryce Smeller's stuff plus
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: is so good because he gets all the.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: That's what happens the two three.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: How about a change of the guy who puts the
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: roster together one good season in twelve years. They fooled
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: us into thinking this roster was so talented.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: They were wrong.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think they fooled us. Everyone said that his
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: team was good.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: If I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: know if that's a situation where I mean, listen, look
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: at look at the players coming up, look at the roster,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: look at the pitching. I think it's hard to Jerry
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: and justin Jerry specifically, have THEYM got over the top.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they did everything they could to
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: make this team that was eight outs away for the
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: World Series be a World Series contender.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: We also don't know how much their hands are tied, correct,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Like if they had truly an open checkbook, right, yeah,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: if they If they had an open like if if
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto could do whatever he wanted and didn't care
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: about the finances, don't you think at some point maybe
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: he would have just signed those guys last year, hopefully right,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: hopefully all right, David Moller joins us next.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 8: So you want Paul Sewall I wanted him. He's not
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 8: longer available. How long was he available for?
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: Three days? Yeah? He's gone. Where you go to Toronto? Yep? Yes,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: Mariners could have had him. Toronto's still in it baby.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: Well yeah if if the Mayor's is still in a
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: Toronto still in it.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Well their game and a half ahead of Salfs.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: They did very much right. Yes, so he was I
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: think he was dfaed Monday.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 8: Okay, uh, two and five six point two three ERA,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 8: but up until late June three one eight e R
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 8: and thirty one games.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't be a closer anymore, none at all, no
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: extra arm.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: I just want him for his leaders yes.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 8: Since June twenty third, fourteen games for Paul last ten
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 8: and two thirds seven bombs?
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: Hey, yay, fourteen point three four e RA. He just
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: fell apart. You can only have one Seawalder Rutger.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: PAULI Seawald obviously, hundred percent PAULI Seawald. Guys, this team
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 8: has no leadership whatsoever. Hey, cal talk, you wanted to talk?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: He did, and it should not be a novelty.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 8: I said that last night on social media, you know,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, I was asking you guys off the air,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 8: does anybody know what josh Neaedeler's voice sounds like.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. I think that the thing.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: My only criticism cal two, you do it on the
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: road and there's nobody there, like there's like like it's
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: just it's fine.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, it kind of feels like there's nobody there anyway, right,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 8: Like I'm I'm I'm looking for any clubhouse report quotes.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: And again I'm not there. Right. We know the guys
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: that cover the team.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 8: I don't know what's going on down there, but man,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 8: it just feels like it is just an absolute Morgue.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: Dance with me with this.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, if for them to get to the postseason, right right,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: eighty two and eighty probably Okay, that's ten games over right.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: The rest of the way, we gotta worry.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: About twenty six And are they capable of going twenty
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: six and sixteen capable?
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they are. Is it gonna happen?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, guys, look, here's the thing.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Unless we have a seven and nine team, make it, Yeah,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: eighty and eighty two team.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: Well, you could if the Astros lose today and they're
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 8: playing right now, every team in this division is at
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 8: five hundred or below. You could go to bed tomorrow
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: night and it could be nineteen ninety four all over again.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 8: Look up the ninety four Americanly West standings. Anders, you're
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: too young to know what the hell we're talking about.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 8: Everybody was under five hundred. Giants, the winner of this
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 8: division could be under five hundred. Can you imagine with
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 8: Julio Rodriguez, Cal Rowley, Josh Naylor, Randia Rose Arena, George Kirby, Logan,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 8: Gilbert Brian Wu, Bryce Miller, Lauis Castillo, Andres Munoz missing
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 8: the playoffs in a year where the winner of your
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 8: division finished under five hundred. Yeah, it's possible. It's very
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 8: It's absolutely possible. They could also be ten games under
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 8: by tomorrow night if they get swept by New York, and.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: The Astros may end up losing a series to the
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: team that's twenty eight.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 8: Giants are terrible, and they have a college baseball manager,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: by the way, running their show.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: Rangers.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: Giant fans I think hate him more than people hate
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: Rangers to Angels later tonight. The Angels is the worst
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: team in baseball arguably, and the Rangers could fall below
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: five hundred if they lose that and then lose a
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: series of that.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 8: Well, here's the question I asked on social media, and
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 8: I asked.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: This to Dick this morning as well.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 8: If cal Rawley continues to struggle like this and he
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 8: comes out of the gate cold again next year, what
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 8: do you do with him?
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: What do you do?
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: God?
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: They oh, eighty five million dollars for the next four years.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: We brought this up earlier. I think there's a concern.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: He's thirty in November, correct, Like.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: Right, he's old? Is it are? And he's a one
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: trick pony? Are we on the downslide? Well, it feels
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: like if this is.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: God, if this is the beginning of a falloff and
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 4: not just a one off season, right, worst screen right on?
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 8: If you have to ask that question, right, they'd have
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 8: to eat it. They'd have to eat it and go
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 8: find somebody else. Well, because they can't keep trotting him
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 8: out there. I mean, look, he's cal Rawley. He had
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 8: sixty home runs. He's probably the greatest catcher in Mariner history,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 8: no disrespect to Dan, he deserves every benefit of the doubt.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: I think we all get that. He gets the year
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: no matter what.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 8: This isn't the Johnny Parada Show, or who'd they get
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 8: from the Blue Jays today, mc iver, McIver, Willie mcgiver
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 8: from Toronto. All right, he's building a catching mit right now,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 8: that's right, cardboard. He gets the year, right, But and
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 8: he gets next year. He's your starting catcher next season.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 8: But if we're April thirtieth, April twenty first, whatever, and
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 8: he can't hit water falling out.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: Of a canoe, what do you do?
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: My god?
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, do they have to be kind of prepared
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: maybe for that? You just you've got to hope this
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: is and they get Harry Ford back, God, like you
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: want him. I mean, you got Luke Stevenson. There you go.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's there you go. That's the worst case scenario.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, but when's the next draft next June?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Draft to catcher first round? But well, did
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: Luke Stevenson right?
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: Last year?
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: That and we got a really good catching prospect in
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: the Castio trade. Okay, Boston Smith. Great, Well, here's the
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: thing is, like what you bring up with next.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: Year, Boston, my name is Balston, Boston. What you brought
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: up about out next year? Does it matter what cal
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: does the rest this year? Is it more important to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: see what he does next.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: Year as far as what our long term concerns about him, Like.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe he kind of gets maybe he gets a little
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: bit warm in September. Yeah, you need lots of warning
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: track flyouts. They're in for nests where they hits it hard.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 8: You're asking if one seven, You're asking if if he
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 8: ends the year on a hot note, but he comes
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 8: out that year. I don't I don't think that really matters.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, this guy needs to get away. He needs
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 8: an offseason. He needs to first of all, find a
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: girlfriend apparently right, go on vacation, go back to Carolina,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 8: you know, do something, just get the hell out of here.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 8: He needs a complete matrix reset, absolute reset. Man Naylor
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 8: suck next season, Well, I mean a lot of them,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 8: like a bunch of money.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: Then you're more concerned about Nail.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 8: No, I'm more concerned about cal Rawley because I think
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 8: Josh Naylor is a more complete hitter than Cal is.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 8: He's not he can be a single hitter, but cal
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 8: Rawley is again I hate to you the same term
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 8: over and over again. He's a one trick pony, that's
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 8: what he is. I mean, he was a one trick
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 8: pony last year, you know. But he performed a trick
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 8: like crazy, pulling rabbits out of his un every single night.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 8: It's unbelievable. Let's see Florio's on today, petro Son today,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 8: Larry Stone on today, Lakers getting sold again. We chat
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 8: about that with him. Lots of w n B. A drama,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 8: it's a daily occurrence man, in that league. It's done
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 8: by every single night. It's unreal. Stephanie White, you can
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 8: go to.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: How she should have as much as maybe people think
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: Wilson should be fine. Oh my god, do Fever fans
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: despise her by the way, did they really?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: That's right. I saw Caitlin respond to that, try to
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: stand up for she did that. He did.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 8: She did more for Stephanie White than Stephanie White did
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 8: for Sophie Cunning.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: Or any of her players. Honestly, for Kate and Clark
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: all you're either.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 8: It's just it just kind of at least, you know,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 8: it's it's laughable when somebody goes out and does something
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 8: that is so clearly obvious to everybody, and then tries
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 8: to claim it didn't happen, did all right?
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's an unserious league. That's a Nathan
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: Bishop h term unserious. I love that show anyway, the
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: show wait till Monday.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: Should you should do more of it? I think you
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: should have one more often every day.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 8: Well, it's the best thing you guys do well, I
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 8: mean everything else, everything else, Stakes is the best thing.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: I gotta go. That was nice. See if the mild
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: mannered and marginally objectionably infness this is paddle day saying
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: so long everyone,